@@neverastraightanswer9802 Because 2 of them didn't "reform" while all the others did? Don't force unrealistic cynicism just for the sake of trying to pretend you're a deep thinker when you're basic af.
Smart man that Craster, eats food in front of 40 starving armed former criminals with zero backup, talks about slitting their wounded comrades throats, and then taunts them with a tiny hatchet. 👏👏👏
Craster was delusional to think he could intimidate literal murderers and killers who have been starving for days and have just after burying one of their men. Got what was coming to him
don't even feel bad about Mormont. How can someone get so old being a leader and be stupid enough to let Craster torture a party of past criminals it's beyond ridiculous
@@4CelciusDegree just curious, what would you suggest he did? Perhaps he should have called craster out instead of letting him have his power trip? Basically say look, we're eating your fucking food.
@@Casanova-Frankenstein_93 Exactly this. He should've told him beforehand that if he wants to live, he has to be a victim. I know Craster is a delusional man but he could definitely understand the situation and just like he had to give whitewalkers his babies, he also had to give his food to crows in order to survive. Mormont cannot afford to be a moral man in his position, he has to lead his men with frequent hype ups just like Napoleon and Alexander did. His men don't have good enough lives to obey any moral codes so he has to create a strong authoritative figure that does everything for his men
I don't think we've ever seen Karl Tanner up to this point either, so we're all just like "oh shit who was that" lol Dude was not leaving that tent without some food, whether it was over Craster OR Mormont's dead body, he was ready to throw hands regardless
God, the way Karl's voice sounds with the lines he delivers is so perfect I swear...this dude could literally be talking about butterflies and flowers, and still make it sound menacing and intimidating.
God damn it Mormont is badass. Even though he was stabbed in the back he still managed to pick up a guy by his throat and chuck him against a wall and he didn't even whimper at all when he was dying.
Grenn has a lot of heart. Tanner has just revealed himself as a stone killer, and my boy rushes headlong across the room to tackle Karl, unarmed, to back Mormont.
Not any normal murderer, Karl is a experienced hitman in his late 30s (very old in the GoT universe) dude was a fuking beast that he almost killed Jon Snow.
@@Catarssis347 He beat Jon snow in a clean 1v1, only reason he lost is his main whore stabbed him in the back lol, people never talk about how Jon Lost to him lol, everyone says Jon was the best but karl tanner was far better he as toying with him that entire fight and his dialogue was on point as well, where as jon didn't say a word the entire fight...
@@Catarssis347 With two knives vs a valyrian steel longsword no less. Karl is probably top 5 warrior in all of the Westeros. I'd be honored to name him kingsguard.
The way he takes that deep breath and kind of rolls his eyes up into his head before calling Craster a bastard. So badass. It really shows that this is a dude who is an experienced and fearless killer.
Times like this, i forget that these Night Watch crows are really former serial killers, thieves, rapists and more dangerous criminals that's just being reformed into men of the watchers, and when you starve them like this or treat them like shit they really show their true form huh, Craster should have known better to rush that guy with an axe
night watch used to be an honourable role, but now its used as a dumping ground for people in high positions to get rid of those they cant be bothered dealing with
Can't even begin describing how badass the voice of the man saying: "Whose throat are you gonna cut old man?" is, but it's delivery was EPIC. The silence afterward and the look on both the instigator and Crasters face said it all: Shit just got real.
Notice how Tanner was ready to surrender to Mormont. He looked even scared of him, and shocked when Mormont got stabbed in the back. The mutiny certainly wasn‘t planned, it was just Tanner acting out of hunger and hatred. Then the other guy stabbed Mormont, and all hell broke loose. Tanner seized the opportunity, but I think he never meant it in the first place. He really just wanted something to eat.
Honestly it looked like mormont was kinda letting it happen till Tanner put a knife to a innocent girls throat, didn't seem to shed a tear about craster lol
To me, this was more satisfying than the Purple Wedding. Jeffrey was a brat and a monster, but he was also constantly being disrespected and humiliated, so there wasn't as much built up tension. Craster was murdering his own babies since season 2 and even farther back, and no one did anything against him. Also, I love the different kinds of evil portrayed in this scene; Craster is just as evil as Karl Tanner, but Tanner puts his money where his mouth is.
Joffrey's death also wasn't so satisfying in the books either because he barely appeared in the books. And even when he did he wasn't anywhere near as bad as his show counterpart
Jeor Mormont gets stabbed in the back, and the pain and shock was enough to make the seasoned warrior drop his sword. And he still has enough strength to grab Rast by the neck with one hand and very nearly choke the life out of him before he gets attacked from behind again. You can see why the Mormont sigil is a bear.
I never understood Craster's confidence. Does he think he can kill anyone? The way he threatens people as if he had supernatural power. But he is just one vs 100
It's probably good you don't understand what's going thru the mind of an isolated drunkard that sleeps with his daughters, sacrifices his sons and deals with the walking dead....seriously that's the whole point of insanity
Did 100s kill him? If he had killed Karl, would the others gank him? No, they are all criminal cowards. They would fall back in line and shut up. The only reason he lost was because he was drunk off his ass. You don't survive beyond the wall by yourself by being weak.
@@Leondegrance2 You don’t even believe your own bs. One rational thought. The only reason why the Nightswatch didn’t walz in from the beginning and took what they wanted, was their pseudo sense of honor and integrity. One bastard, trained or not, doesn’t stand a chance against hundreds of trained warriors who killed alot... Craster was a delusional drunkard and hillbilly who thought he’s got something. The rest is history.
I usually don't like to bitch about things missed from the books but I really wanted to hear Jeor's final words of forgiveness towards his son, would have been perfect for later in the series with Sam
@@AlanOLeary209 the Others have a deal with Craster, although the exact detail we don't understand. Craster is pretty unique in that even the other wildling farther north were being pushed by the Others (White Walkers) and their wights, but he was not. All we know is that there was a trade between Craster and the Others about his sons. It is possible that the Others are incapable of reproducing alone, so they need the human seed of life to take the warmth out of it into a being of ice and snow, much like dragons are said to be 'fire made flesh'. So it was possible that the Walkers have a sort of route, patrol, watch or something over Craster, and when shit gone down, they were going to investigate what was happening.
@@seto_kaiba_ A hostage? They didn't send any demands to the Wall. And anyway, why would they send any demands? Why draw attention to themselves? Why did they have to change it from the books? Grenn, Ed and a few loyalists just straight up run away. Just have them get lost on the way back to explain why they were gone for so long.
Honestly, I can't blame the traitors. Craster's loudly mocking the wounded and talking about killing them off while everyone who can stand is there, freezing, exhausted and starving. And he's talking shit to their faces and gorging himself before their eyes. Karl wasn't even wrong. Evil man on the whole. Completely justified in the moment. Small wonder so many half-dead rangers took his side.
Agreed I just rewatched it they didn't even want to stab the commander until he pulled his sword out on Karl who was asking where the food was they are starving. he was a moron oh well got what was gonna happen to him play stupid games sacrifice your own men don't look out for THEIR well being first don't be surprised when you get stabbed in the back.
They took Craster's place and lived off his resources and daughters, becoming the literal kings of Craster's keep. What reason would they have had to go back to the wall?
Wish more of the show could've been like this. A hated character is killed by a likable character that killed another likable character. It makes for 2 antagonists, one is fun to watch be a villain, the other is fun to watch die. And a liked character dies adding some more emotion to the scene. All around a well written scene.
Anyone find this scene funny. Mean really all the crap craster did all he's seen,but called bastard makes him flip the fuck out. Karl's lines were beyond awesome. How scared Sam and them were is priceless.
Bastard I think is the worse title a man can have in Game of Thrones. He wanted to be a ruler in his own image. Wonder why they never pondered to hate the man that brought a 'bastard'(hate that word by the way) into the world, why do they have to catch so much hell?
Absolutely brilliantly timed. The massive pause really made me think nothing was going to happen... then it did... then it did again suddenly when Jeor gets stabbed. My favourite moment yet!
Karl was completely justified in his mutiny against Mormont and killing Craster. Mormont should’ve killed Craster years ago. Karl did what his lord commander should’ve. Don’t forget, Mormont knew he was given his sons to the white walkers, and those sons killed members of the watch.
I don't blame them for killing Craster or even Mormont for that matter. Mormont led them on a suicide mission for no reason only to be spit on by craster. Combined with the fact that Jeor not only let him do it but also knew he was giving his sons to the white walkers and well...
@@sahir3733 so he didn't think a bunch of murderers a rapists would turn for helping a tyrant like craster, who would talk trash & eat their food while they starve, i like jeor but he fell flat as one of the most incompetent lord commanders i ever seen in the show, craster was practically about as useful as pouring kerosine in a fire to put it out
2:06 *Notice how he waits for his commander to walk outside before calling Craster a bastard.* The guy who killed Craster was a former assassin in King's Landing, who killed dozens of knights. He's tactical, experienced, and ruthless. Certainly not a man to be f**ked with.
Also he very much looks like hes about to surrender when Mormont draws his sword. He knew he couldn't take him 1v1 and likely had no intention of fighting him. He just wanted the food.
@@linkofvevI doubt it, he was probably shocked their Lord Commander was stabbed in the back, he would’ve smoked Mormont in they’re fight, Tanner’s very dangerous
The actor playing karl brings so much to every line he speaks, amazing delivery, that is a great actor. One of the most ruthless characters on the show in only a few scenes.
The tension and following chaos in this scene is on point. One the best action scenes i have ever seen. Also it suck that mormont died but damn was it satisfying to see someone finally stand up to craster.
I had totally forgotten about this! Never even realized at the time that that commander was Jorah'as father... This week's episode made me wonder about it and search again. Didn't even remember Sam Tarly was actually right there witnessing the entire thing. I guess when I'm done with this season, there will be a lot of replay value on getting back to previous seasons.
Yep it was the same for me. A show like this has so many different intricate details and characters and plotlines all doing things at the same time that its nearly impossible to catch everything just watching it once.
"I'd rather eat,what you've got hidden awaaaaaaaaaaaay" ...damn what a delivery of this sentence!!!! Just the right amount of calm evil sarcasm and sardonious smile... His misanthropy and evilness is evident, looked like the worst criminal, able and willing to do anything. Menacing,intimidating,disparaging speech... This Karl Tanner fella had the most punchable face I've ever seen,absolutely scary character, made me hate him instanly,as soon a he delivered the line " Whose throats you gonna cut old man?" Greatest 15 seconds of acting in the A.S.O.I.A.F. universe... Absolute brilliant acting by Burn Gorman, take a bow sir !!! Would love to see him act as the villain in a Hollywood movie,amazing actor!
Jeor’s last acts were drawing his blade in defense of an innocent, then coming within a few heartbeats of choking the life out of his attacker. A leader and badass to his last breath
I love the acting from Karl's actor. Its pretty awesome how he closes his eyes before he calls Craster a bastard the second time. Like he's psyching himself up and thinking "You know what.... this will probably end badly. But....fuck it."
1:00 "If you don't like it, go out there and eat the snow" "I'd rather eat what you've got hidden away 😏" Omg that delivery is incredible, Burn Gorman is a beast 😂😂😂
All Castor had to do was give them even just a little bit of fresh food and some space to sit and sleep in and all of this could’ve been avoided. Like did he not know that these guys just experienced something they were told as scary stories when they were kids? Plus most of them were former criminals so antagonizing them and denying them some good food was a big mistake. Also Jeor is a literal mighty bear lifting that guy up with one hand while just getting stabbed and being an old man. Also Grenn (I think that’s his name?) was a true brother of the nights watch. He attacks the mutineers as soon as they injure Jeor
That's Burn Gorman a british actor who isn't well known but brilliant in everything I've seen him in, he played Owen in Torchwood (spin off of Doctor Who) and I saw him play Bill Syches in Oliver at the the theatre, he has a fantastic menacing voice.
I'm with the mutineers in this. Let's be honest, Jeor Mormont was a hypocrite - an "honorable" man who tolerates an incestious rapist, sacrificing his male offsprings to the Others... just because he offers shelter to the Rangers. Good job, lads!
Seriously! "....But you are a bastard..." that part.. man if i was Bronn or the Hound, i would think twice about charging a man in his condition who is talking like that, in that tone.. Chilling and brilliant acting! Some of the best acting and delivery ive seen from a tiny part in a major tv series.
When i watched this scene, i cheered the death of craster and Mormont. Craster for obvious reasons and Mormont because he was alowing Craster to do all of this. Then come this weeks episode and i am like... its even worse than before... Still hate Mormont tough
Joer Mormont was a good Lord Commander, probably better than the Night’s Watch deserved. He was actually highborn and took the job out of honor, not duty. I feel like he slowly forgot who he was leading until it was too late. These aren’t the warriors of Bear Island, they’re half-starved criminals freezing to death.
Hunger triggers our primeval instincts and makes humans turn towards rage, i once starved myself for 2 days straight and got crazy aggressive. So this is actually an accurate depiction by GOT. Sad this incredible show went to complete shit in season 8.
But this wasn’t the case. The man threatened and taunted them while eating besides the fire. If he didn’t those things then those men wouldn’t be provoked
In the book Mormont's death was even sader because he died in Sam's lap saying that he forgive him and asks Sam to tell Jorah to join Nights Watch as his dying wish.
After listening to the books on audio, I can’t help but hear Roy Dotrice’s voice narrating these scene. “Craster’s wives brought them two loaves of bread. When Ulmer asked for more, the woman just shook her head. That was when the trouble started.”
Just finished re-reading this scene in ASOS. It fucking angers me how they did not include Jeor's last words and made Sam run away with Gilly just like that. Sam was holding Jeor while he drew his last breath, and kept holding his dead body long after he was gone.
How had Craster managed to get along so well for so long without any physical protection for his keep? He's the only grown man on his property.Was he really relying on Guest Right to protect him while treating a load of angry, freezing, and hungry Night's Watchmen like shit? And even if the Night's Watch was more disciplined, how did he protect himself from other wildlings and marauders without any fighting men? I find it hard to believe that his constantly-terrified and irreperably damaged legion of daughter-wives would make for an effective fighting force.
Not sure if it’s ever mentioned in the show but Book Craster detests the word bastard as he was fathered (either raped or consensual, I can’t remember) by a Nights watch man and a wildling woman. It’s also the reason for his ambivalent relationship with them, and the fact he’s turned into hedonist
Mormont’s biggest issue here was Benjan Stark & the other rangers pretty much all died & they hadn’t had time to replace those losses… They also didn’t have anyone else who really could’ve backed Mormont up like Benjan stark, which Mormont needed due to his old age…. Yes Jon Snow would become that man but this was his 1st trip beyond the wall.. Mormont at his old age, the best rangers & Benjan stark being gone all resulted in this…
Craster was a man who pretended he had power, in a house isolated from the rest of the world, and his daughters who wouldn’t even talk back to him. Got put in his place.
I like how Mormont was shocked that a starved group of rapists, murderers, and thieves turned against him
True reformism is impossible in some ways
@@neverastraightanswer9802 Because 2 of them didn't "reform" while all the others did? Don't force unrealistic cynicism just for the sake of trying to pretend you're a deep thinker when you're basic af.
It was literally the only honourable thing they ever achieved was killing filthy craster and Mormont the weasel
@@SH19922x what
@@neverastraightanswer9802 Yea just look at today's society.
Smart man that Craster, eats food in front of 40 starving armed former criminals with zero backup, talks about slitting their wounded comrades throats, and then taunts them with a tiny hatchet. 👏👏👏
Craster wasn't exactly popular for being a genius
Dumbest show ever even from the start when you go back and really watch it. Craster was almost as stupid as Ned stark
@@SH19922x ned wasn't stupid, quit shitting on the show.
@@SH19922x Dumbest show ever 🤨 ?
😂 thanks for making me laugh
"Whose throat you gonna cut old man?" said a voice from the shadows
That's when shit got real.
Dumbledore asked, calmly.
@@mooseolini1447 😂
Go wait outside.
@@danielgoss6367 Morgan Freeman narrators voice 'he did not wait outside'.
That guy who killed Craster has the most epic set of lines ever
bigmombo I WAS A FOOKIN LEGEND M8
+bigmombo The legend from Gin Alley mate
bigmombo thankyou fookface
He's a vicious sick prick but I can't help but love the guy. FOOKIN' LEGEND.
Karl Clubfoot Tanner FOOK EM TILL THEY'RE DEAD
Craster was delusional to think he could intimidate literal murderers and killers who have been starving for days and have just after burying one of their men. Got what was coming to him
Nice profile pic!
@@damoclesdragonheart4407Indeed
I feel bad for Mormont, but Craster's death was absolutely magnificent.
Thats the point isnt it? You can have some candy without the shit in it in ASOIAF
don't even feel bad about Mormont. How can someone get so old being a leader and be stupid enough to let Craster torture a party of past criminals it's beyond ridiculous
Mormont had it coming, child sacrifice condoning prick he was
@@4CelciusDegree just curious, what would you suggest he did? Perhaps he should have called craster out instead of letting him have his power trip? Basically say look, we're eating your fucking food.
@@Casanova-Frankenstein_93 Exactly this. He should've told him beforehand that if he wants to live, he has to be a victim. I know Craster is a delusional man but he could definitely understand the situation and just like he had to give whitewalkers his babies, he also had to give his food to crows in order to survive. Mormont cannot afford to be a moral man in his position, he has to lead his men with frequent hype ups just like Napoleon and Alexander did. His men don't have good enough lives to obey any moral codes so he has to create a strong authoritative figure that does everything for his men
The acting of the dude who killed Craster was awesome.
burn gorman
he is a fookin legend of the gin alley
Pretty sure he also played Owen in torchwood.
@@K-11609 Yup, he's Burm Gorman
He was in the dark knight
'Who's throat ya gonna cut old man?'
The delivery of that line drips with menace, like a snake has just entered the room.
I don't think we've ever seen Karl Tanner up to this point either, so we're all just like "oh shit who was that" lol
Dude was not leaving that tent without some food, whether it was over Craster OR Mormont's dead body, he was ready to throw hands regardless
@@agreb25 He appears earlier, when they burn the body of one of their comrades, but he doesn't have any lines.
@@hebanker3372 he speaks to craster before "bet you feed that pig better than you feed us", and Craster replies "aye. pigs got value"
@@agreb25 he is also seen walking as the first man in the line of men just behind mormont as they return to crastors keep...
God, the way Karl's voice sounds with the lines he delivers is so perfect I swear...this dude could literally be talking about butterflies and flowers, and still make it sound menacing and intimidating.
Adam Fowler he sounded like a badass delivering some fairy tail story to craster when he said "a daughter fooking wildling bastard"
And this is the same dude that played a turbo nerd skinny doctor in the Pacific Rim. Amazing
That’s cause he’s Kal foookin Tanna
Loved him in Turn: Washington’s Spy
What else can you expect from a legend??
God damn it Mormont is badass. Even though he was stabbed in the back he still managed to pick up a guy by his throat and chuck him against a wall and he didn't even whimper at all when he was dying.
Meanwhile Jorah is kicked out of the friendzone :|
+Abdus-salam Ahmad Ehh Jeor was making some dumass decisions during this time...
+Abdus-salam Ahmad - Meanwhile Area Hotah gets stabbed with a nail filer in the back and dies in .2 seconds.
A member of the Night's Watch to the end. Quite literally. Will take more than a stab penetrating wound to take him down. Badass indeed.
a bear islander worth 5 mainlander...
Grenn has a lot of heart. Tanner has just revealed himself as a stone killer, and my boy rushes headlong across the room to tackle Karl, unarmed, to back Mormont.
Not any normal murderer, Karl is a experienced hitman in his late 30s (very old in the GoT universe) dude was a fuking beast that he almost killed Jon Snow.
@@Catarssis347 He beat Jon snow in a clean 1v1, only reason he lost is his main whore stabbed him in the back lol, people never talk about how Jon Lost to him lol, everyone says Jon was the best but karl tanner was far better he as toying with him that entire fight and his dialogue was on point as well, where as jon didn't say a word the entire fight...
Grenn started from stand down against dwarf in season 1, and died fighting against giant in season 4.
That's quite a character development.
@@Catarssis347 With two knives vs a valyrian steel longsword no less. Karl is probably top 5 warrior in all of the Westeros. I'd be honored to name him kingsguard.
@@HappyduderawrKarl is the type of man who would stab his King in the back for a few silvers. You don't want people like that in the Kingsguard
I didn't realize how important this scene was. I don't even think I realized that the Lord Commander was the one murdered.
Same here idk why
We you not paying attention or are you just slow?
+Promoting Real Hip Hop Yeah Craster and Lord Commander look exactly the same. This scene is very confusing
+Promoting Real Hip Hop Yeah it was the same for me. I think it was because everything happened so fast.
I started watching late so I barely knew who was who, but same for me lol
The way he takes that deep breath and kind of rolls his eyes up into his head before calling Craster a bastard.
So badass. It really shows that this is a dude who is an experienced and fearless killer.
And that he recognizes the situation. He's 100% sure Craster will attack him.
+Jon Snow You know nothing
Will E-S I know I love you... I know you love me... But I have to go home now.
My interpretation was that he was thinking "okay, I'm not sure how this will go, but fuck it"
azke4n Alliser Thorne is not a good officier at all
Times like this, i forget that these Night Watch crows are really former serial killers, thieves, rapists and more dangerous criminals that's just being reformed into men of the watchers, and when you starve them like this or treat them like shit they really show their true form huh, Craster should have known better to rush that guy with an axe
Craster should've thrown the axe. Would've prevented a lot of hostility.
Not to mention ostracised bastards, disowned sons, fallen Nobles, soldiers and knights who fought on the wrong side of battle.
Also former night watch/crow Benjen Stark and other as the undead corpse.
night watch used to be an honourable role, but now its used as a dumping ground for people in high positions to get rid of those they cant be bothered dealing with
What? It's at times like this, that you *remember* that they're criminals. Not forget.
Craster: "I'll chop the hands off the next man who calls me bastard!"
Karl Tanner: (internally: I'm gonna say the B-word) *inhales*
He called him "Mustard"
@@KnightwhotillrecentlysaidNI He called him a Mustard Tiger and he freaked out
His big moment.
Can't even begin describing how badass the voice of the man saying: "Whose throat are you gonna cut old man?" is, but it's delivery was EPIC. The silence afterward and the look on both the instigator and Crasters face said it all: Shit just got real.
Notice how Tanner was ready to surrender to Mormont. He looked even scared of him, and shocked when Mormont got stabbed in the back. The mutiny certainly wasn‘t planned, it was just Tanner acting out of hunger and hatred. Then the other guy stabbed Mormont, and all hell broke loose. Tanner seized the opportunity, but I think he never meant it in the first place. He really just wanted something to eat.
Honestly it looked like mormont was kinda letting it happen till Tanner put a knife to a innocent girls throat, didn't seem to shed a tear about craster lol
But you can't really explain Karl Tanner drinking out of Mormont's skull and holding the Stark boys later on then.
@@somm150 I doubt they had even written the over the top nonsense that came after when the original mutiny was written.
it was literally all Rasts fault, Tanner only wanted to kill Craster
Hell, they couldve killed craster and kept his stuff and be done with it
Tanner assumed a fighting stance. He wasn’t gonna surrender. This wasn’t planned but he sure was willing to see it through.
"You are bastard, you are daughter-fucking wildling bastard."
That's exactly what he is
The actor who played Karl Tanner was incredible
He was really good in Turn
To me, this was more satisfying than the Purple Wedding. Jeffrey was a brat and a monster, but he was also constantly being disrespected and humiliated, so there wasn't as much built up tension. Craster was murdering his own babies since season 2 and even farther back, and no one did anything against him. Also, I love the different kinds of evil portrayed in this scene; Craster is just as evil as Karl Tanner, but Tanner puts his money where his mouth is.
Joffrey's death also wasn't so satisfying in the books either because he barely appeared in the books. And even when he did he wasn't anywhere near as bad as his show counterpart
Idk I disagree. I was so satisfied by joeffreys death. He was pure evil that the “humiliation” he got was well deserved
Although Karl’s a bad guy, he was so cool in this scene
One of the best line deliveries in the whole series.
The eyes closed and the deep breath knowing what's coming. The man's had enough.
3:18 (far left) there stands Ser Udecided proving his name by calmly pondering deeply about what he should do.
+The Heathen Kite lmfao Ser Undecided xD
Legend says he's still pondering to this day...
His house words are: "More time to think we need"
Decision is coming
"If I stand perfectly still, maybe they won't notice me "
Jeor Mormont gets stabbed in the back, and the pain and shock was enough to make the seasoned warrior drop his sword.
And he still has enough strength to grab Rast by the neck with one hand and very nearly choke the life out of him before he gets attacked from behind again.
You can see why the Mormont sigil is a bear.
I don't think he gets attacked from behind again. I think something bursts.
He didn't get attacked. The first stab is fatal that's why he coughed blood
Also, he’s huge
Cringe
@@DFX1126 ew
I never understood Craster's confidence.
Does he think he can kill anyone? The way he threatens people as if he had supernatural power. But he is just one vs 100
cause he is a wildling b......
It's probably good you don't understand what's going thru the mind of an isolated drunkard that sleeps with his daughters, sacrifices his sons and deals with the walking dead....seriously that's the whole point of insanity
Did 100s kill him? If he had killed Karl, would the others gank him? No, they are all criminal cowards. They would fall back in line and shut up. The only reason he lost was because he was drunk off his ass. You don't survive beyond the wall by yourself by being weak.
@@Leondegrance2 You don’t even believe your own bs. One rational thought. The only reason why the Nightswatch didn’t walz in from the beginning and took what they wanted, was their pseudo sense of honor and integrity. One bastard, trained or not, doesn’t stand a chance against hundreds of trained warriors who killed alot... Craster was a delusional drunkard and hillbilly who thought he’s got something. The rest is history.
@@Devvitc Who are you? When you have an argument against what I was talking about, come back again.
I usually don't like to bitch about things missed from the books but I really wanted to hear Jeor's final words of forgiveness towards his son, would have been perfect for later in the series with Sam
+ShogunTake Yeah. Cant really understand why they left that part out and the part about Crasters wives telling Sam that "his sons are coming".
Yesss!!!
:((((( same
@@Paul91- 7 years down the line but did the walkers know craster was in danger or ?
@@AlanOLeary209 the Others have a deal with Craster, although the exact detail we don't understand. Craster is pretty unique in that even the other wildling farther north were being pushed by the Others (White Walkers) and their wights, but he was not. All we know is that there was a trade between Craster and the Others about his sons.
It is possible that the Others are incapable of reproducing alone, so they need the human seed of life to take the warmth out of it into a being of ice and snow, much like dragons are said to be 'fire made flesh'. So it was possible that the Walkers have a sort of route, patrol, watch or something over Craster, and when shit gone down, they were going to investigate what was happening.
I like how my boy Grenn instantly attacked Karl
Yeah, how exactly did he survive that? Why would Karl take him prisoner?
The shoddy writing started way before season 5 😔
As a hostage maybe? lol.
@@seto_kaiba_ A hostage? They didn't send any demands to the Wall. And anyway, why would they send any demands? Why draw attention to themselves?
Why did they have to change it from the books? Grenn, Ed and a few loyalists just straight up run away. Just have them get lost on the way back to explain why they were gone for so long.
Lol Karl would’ve made mince meat out of Grenn.
@@JimmySteller Maybe he looked like a valuable asset. Karl just needed to break him.
Honestly, I can't blame the traitors. Craster's loudly mocking the wounded and talking about killing them off while everyone who can stand is there, freezing, exhausted and starving. And he's talking shit to their faces and gorging himself before their eyes. Karl wasn't even wrong. Evil man on the whole. Completely justified in the moment. Small wonder so many half-dead rangers took his side.
Agreed I just rewatched it they didn't even want to stab the commander until he pulled his sword out on Karl who was asking where the food was they are starving. he was a moron oh well got what was gonna happen to him play stupid games sacrifice your own men don't look out for THEIR well being first don't be surprised when you get stabbed in the back.
Karl Tanner Kills Craster: JUSTIFIED
Everything else Kart Tanner and Rast do after that: NOT JUSTIFIED
They took Craster's place and lived off his resources and daughters, becoming the literal kings of Craster's keep. What reason would they have had to go back to the wall?
@@lanntheclever482 Not much for personal interest, but they're still disgusting people
Wish more of the show could've been like this. A hated character is killed by a likable character that killed another likable character. It makes for 2 antagonists, one is fun to watch be a villain, the other is fun to watch die. And a liked character dies adding some more emotion to the scene. All around a well written scene.
Anyone find this scene funny. Mean really all the crap craster did all he's seen,but called bastard makes him flip the fuck out. Karl's lines were beyond awesome. How scared Sam and them were is priceless.
DevilsrejectTraining
I myself find it absolutely hilarious, that daughter fucking bastard had no clue he was about to take his last breath
Bastard I think is the worse title a man can have in Game of Thrones. He wanted to be a ruler in his own image. Wonder why they never pondered to hate the man that brought a 'bastard'(hate that word by the way) into the world, why do they have to catch so much hell?
Absolutely brilliantly timed. The massive pause really made me think nothing was going to happen... then it did... then it did again suddenly when Jeor gets stabbed. My favourite moment yet!
I love how Sam took the initiative to save Gilly and little Sam he’s a coward but he can take charge when the situation goes really bad :))
should've fought with his friends
Karl was completely justified in his mutiny against Mormont and killing Craster. Mormont should’ve killed Craster years ago. Karl did what his lord commander should’ve. Don’t forget, Mormont knew he was given his sons to the white walkers, and those sons killed members of the watch.
Karl may not have been a good man, but Mormont was weak. And weakness is punished out in the wild.
I don't blame them for killing Craster or even Mormont for that matter.
Mormont led them on a suicide mission for no reason only to be spit on by craster. Combined with the fact that Jeor not only let him do it but also knew he was giving his sons to the white walkers and well...
Jeor did whatever he could for the interests of the night's watch.
@@sahir3733 that doesn't mean the actions he took were right
@@Davao420 He didn’t deserve to be stabbed from the back by that twisted little piece of shit though
@@Davao420 Man, this is GOT everybody do wrong actions at some point
@@sahir3733 so he didn't think a bunch of murderers a rapists would turn for helping a tyrant like craster, who would talk trash & eat their food while they starve, i like jeor but he fell flat as one of the most incompetent lord commanders i ever seen in the show, craster was practically about as useful as pouring kerosine in a fire to put it out
2:06 *Notice how he waits for his commander to walk outside before calling Craster a bastard.*
The guy who killed Craster was a former assassin in King's Landing, who killed dozens of knights. He's tactical, experienced, and ruthless. Certainly not a man to be f**ked with.
Also he very much looks like hes about to surrender when Mormont draws his sword. He knew he couldn't take him 1v1 and likely had no intention of fighting him. He just wanted the food.
wtf no
i think he could win 1v1 but choose not to if possible
@@linkofvevI doubt it, he was probably shocked their Lord Commander was stabbed in the back, he would’ve smoked Mormont in they’re fight, Tanner’s very dangerous
That delievery cracks me up every time
so there are at least 99 walkers
+0verpoweredMadness and only 2 of them died
99 problems
+Robert Revie 96 now, first was Sam, second Snow, and third meera.
or more who knows if others (people/wildlings) give offers to white walkers
99 problems but a bitch ain't one
The actor playing karl brings so much to every line he speaks, amazing delivery, that is a great actor. One of the most ruthless characters on the show in only a few scenes.
I would have paid big money to see Jorah beat the crap out of Karl like how Jon did to Ramsey.
why do u think jorah can do that?
+Jack Ripper Did you not see him choking his bitch ass to death with one hand until he coughed up blood?
karls not the fat guy he's the one that kills craster and kicks jons ass
kameron wilson Ah true. But he would've still wrecked him.
@@kameronw284 Jorah is more experienced but Karl is likely faster.
THE FOOKIN' LEGEND
A true fookin legend
If u don't like it, then go there and eat the snow...
TheNytdj I'd rather eat what you've got hidden away
There's fookin sawdust in the fookin bastard.
@@i_m_p_u_l_s_e_ You are a sawdust.
@@Crusher888 I'VE GOT TO FEED MY WOMEN!
The tension and following chaos in this scene is on point. One the best action scenes i have ever seen.
Also it suck that mormont died but damn was it satisfying to see someone finally stand up to craster.
RIP Jeor Mormont :(
+Christian Reinhardt And Now His Watch Has Ended
I had totally forgotten about this! Never even realized at the time that that commander was Jorah'as father...
This week's episode made me wonder about it and search again.
Didn't even remember Sam Tarly was actually right there witnessing the entire thing.
I guess when I'm done with this season, there will be a lot of replay value on getting back to previous seasons.
Yep it was the same for me. A show like this has so many different intricate details and characters and plotlines all doing things at the same time that its nearly impossible to catch everything just watching it once.
Karl was technically acting in self defence when he killed Craster
"I'd rather eat,what you've got hidden awaaaaaaaaaaaay"
...damn what a delivery of this sentence!!!!
Just the right amount of calm evil sarcasm and sardonious smile...
His misanthropy and evilness is evident, looked like the worst criminal, able and willing to do anything.
Menacing,intimidating,disparaging speech...
This Karl Tanner fella had the most punchable face I've ever seen,absolutely scary character, made me hate him instanly,as soon a he delivered the line " Whose throats you gonna cut old man?"
Greatest 15 seconds of acting in the A.S.O.I.A.F. universe...
Absolute brilliant acting by Burn Gorman, take a bow sir !!!
Would love to see him act as the villain in a Hollywood movie,amazing actor!
The way Mormont just lifts Rast and starts choking him had to be his most badass moment.
Jeor’s last acts were drawing his blade in defense of an innocent, then coming within a few heartbeats of choking the life out of his attacker. A leader and badass to his last breath
"I got a great idea, let's make a bunch of criminals trained warriors to protect everyone instead of punishing them"
well last time they became a threat, was under the Night's King. all it took to beat him was the army of the Starks
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 as well as the king beyond the wall
The nights watch is punishing them
Craster's got 99 sons,but Gillie ain't one
One of my favorite scenes in the entire series.
the FOOKIN LEGEND from Gin Alley reveals himself...
Why did they leave out The Lord Commander's dying wish? Isn't that really important?
Karl Tanner is one the best show only characters
I love the acting from Karl's actor. Its pretty awesome how he closes his eyes before he calls Craster a bastard the second time. Like he's psyching himself up and thinking "You know what.... this will probably end badly. But....fuck it."
That dude who played Karl Tanner should have played Ramsay Bolton
1:00
"If you don't like it, go out there and eat the snow"
"I'd rather eat what you've got hidden away 😏"
Omg that delivery is incredible, Burn Gorman is a beast 😂😂😂
"I'll chop the hands of the man who calls me bastard!"
*inhales*
"You're a bastard."
@@janmajer4662 "A daughter fooking, wildling bastard" to be exact.
All Castor had to do was give them even just a little bit of fresh food and some space to sit and sleep in and all of this could’ve been avoided. Like did he not know that these guys just experienced something they were told as scary stories when they were kids? Plus most of them were former criminals so antagonizing them and denying them some good food was a big mistake. Also Jeor is a literal mighty bear lifting that guy up with one hand while just getting stabbed and being an old man. Also Grenn (I think that’s his name?) was a true brother of the nights watch. He attacks the mutineers as soon as they injure Jeor
Death of Craster is the most satisfying GOT moments for me ☺
Love how Grenn jumped on the guy who rebelled first
I'm team Karl on this. Fookin Craster had this coming.
So did Mormont TBH.
Love Rast and Karl. Guys stood up for everyone
Jeor Mormont was low key GOAT
"Whose throat are you gonna cut, old man?"
Craster-baiting.
Never knew Bannen could smell so good...
lol. just read that part
"call me a bastard again..."
Grenn to karl: you won't....
“There are no laws beyond the wall”
Pretty true
Karl Tanner, outstanding performance by Burn Gorman. It's his best role ever. I hope some day he can play a back story spin off.
That's Burn Gorman a british actor who isn't well known but brilliant in everything I've seen him in, he played Owen in Torchwood (spin off of Doctor Who) and I saw him play Bill Syches in Oliver at the the theatre, he has a fantastic menacing voice.
Poor Craster, never made his 100th son
I'm with the mutineers in this. Let's be honest, Jeor Mormont was a hypocrite - an "honorable" man who tolerates an incestious rapist, sacrificing his male offsprings to the Others... just because he offers shelter to the Rangers. Good job, lads!
Karl: *Do you feel in charge, Lord Commander?*
2:09 *Images That Precede Fookin' Legendary Events*
Seriously! "....But you are a bastard..." that part.. man if i was Bronn or the Hound, i would think twice about charging a man in his condition who is talking like that, in that tone.. Chilling and brilliant acting! Some of the best acting and delivery ive seen from a tiny part in a major tv series.
1:42 i always laugh at how he randomly accuses Ed. Poor guy did nothing but he gets targeted anyways in crasters fit of rage
"I'd rather eat what you've got hidden awayyyyyyy"
When i watched this scene, i cheered the death of craster and Mormont. Craster for obvious reasons and Mormont because he was alowing Craster to do all of this. Then come this weeks episode and i am like... its even worse than before...
Still hate Mormont tough
How could a man hate mormont
@@eric11Easy! He allowed Craster to rape innocent women, his own biological family!! Fuck Mormont
Agreed. He was letting Craster bully his men
@@AY-qy4jneither let craster belittle them or starved.
Joer Mormont was a good Lord Commander, probably better than the Night’s Watch deserved. He was actually highborn and took the job out of honor, not duty. I feel like he slowly forgot who he was leading until it was too late. These aren’t the warriors of Bear Island, they’re half-starved criminals freezing to death.
Karl Tanner how brilliantly he stood up to Craster he didn't even struggle; killed him within seconds good on you.
Will Gisby
Thanks m8
craster wasnt very smart pissing group of armed criminals with nobody in 10 kilometers to help him
Hunger triggers our primeval instincts and makes humans turn towards rage, i once starved myself for 2 days straight and got crazy aggressive. So this is actually an accurate depiction by GOT. Sad this incredible show went to complete shit in season 8.
Yes Season 8 was rushed it's sad really.
A hungry human being is the most dangerious animal on Earth
In the Marines I was that cold and hungry. Starvation level. It will change you as desperation starts to take hold.
Not just hungry men-but hungry rapists, murderers, theives, etc. Of course they were gonna turn on them.
But this wasn’t the case. The man threatened and taunted them while eating besides the fire. If he didn’t those things then those men wouldn’t be provoked
We need men like Craster? So you need a man to speak to you disrespectfully and eat his food right in front of you while you starve.
In the book Mormont's death was even sader because he died in Sam's lap saying that he forgive him and asks Sam to tell Jorah to join Nights Watch as his dying wish.
After listening to the books on audio, I can’t help but hear Roy Dotrice’s voice narrating these scene.
“Craster’s wives brought them two loaves of bread. When Ulmer asked for more, the woman just shook her head. That was when the trouble started.”
Karl Tanner is a bad guy. But a badass also. "You are a bastard" what a chad
FUCKING LEGEND OF GIN ALLEY !!!
“Whose throat are ya gonna cut old man”
Just finished re-reading this scene in ASOS. It fucking angers me how they did not include Jeor's last words and made Sam run away with Gilly just like that. Sam was holding Jeor while he drew his last breath, and kept holding his dead body long after he was gone.
How had Craster managed to get along so well for so long without any physical protection for his keep? He's the only grown man on his property.Was he really relying on Guest Right to protect him while treating a load of angry, freezing, and hungry Night's Watchmen like shit? And even if the Night's Watch was more disciplined, how did he protect himself from other wildlings and marauders without any fighting men? I find it hard to believe that his constantly-terrified and irreperably damaged legion of daughter-wives would make for an effective fighting force.
He offers his sons to The Others (White Walkers), no one dares come close to his keep.
00:20 - 00:25 "Me, I will be glad when you and yours have gone"
One of my favourite quotes....
Never noticed how scared karl gets once Mormont challenges him. Great scene
I love how Jeor's just like *wtf i'm dieting?* as he spits out blood
Jeor Mormont: Take Craster outside. Rast bringing me my sword.
It's extra funny when you realize Craster is indeed a bastard, might be a special bastard according to some book theorys but a bastard anyways
Thats why he lost his shit and dared them to call him a bastard again
Karl Tanner the king of all Sigma Males 👑
Not sure if it’s ever mentioned in the show but Book Craster detests the word bastard as he was fathered (either raped or consensual, I can’t remember) by a Nights watch man and a wildling woman.
It’s also the reason for his ambivalent relationship with them, and the fact he’s turned into hedonist
Mormont’s biggest issue here was Benjan Stark & the other rangers pretty much all died & they hadn’t had time to replace those losses… They also didn’t have anyone else who really could’ve backed Mormont up like Benjan stark, which Mormont needed due to his old age…. Yes Jon Snow would become that man but this was his 1st trip beyond the wall..
Mormont at his old age, the best rangers & Benjan stark being gone all resulted in this…
Craster was a man who pretended he had power, in a house isolated from the rest of the world, and his daughters who wouldn’t even talk back to him. Got put in his place.
Now Ser Jorah will never know if his father ever forgave him :'c
Yeah that is what sucked I was like come on they had to backstab him the crazies but seeing craster meet his end was soo satisfying.