You thought it was going to be a pleasant video. Idea of children as not fully human: czcams.com/video/8DruHmMXheg/video.html Sexuality in Medieval Japan: czcams.com/video/Yl0m3pm5SCo/video.html Please consider supporting the channel =) 🔸PATREON (blog, art): www.patreon.com/Linfamy 🔸MEMBERSHIP: czcams.com/users/Linfamyjoin 🔸MERCH: teespring.com/stores/linfamy (shirts, stickers, phone cases, and more!) 🔸DONATE: www.paypal.me/Linfamy
Man your videos are fun there is one whole arc in the Gintama anime regarding courtesans having a baby in the Edo period's Yoshiwara near the Kabuki-cho and I loved that arc it showed what it meant to be a mother in those parts of the world
"some believed that killing your daughter was better than selling her to a brothel" if I'm being honest, id rather get punted as a newborn rather than work with STDs, abusive customers/bosses, being objectified and having a constant risk of pregnancy which is just an immense amount of pain as well as other issues like the multitude of diseases you can contract etc. life would be a misery and probably lead me to depression ngl
@@sissyrayself7508 I find rape always morally wrong, homicide wrong except in the case of self-defense or in a defensive war, war always wrong unless it is a well-thought through defensive war that does not engage in certain types of criminal warfare, and infanticide wrong in our society now here in America. But I can see how if I had a baby in a time of starvation, I would kill it to prevent it from suffering, prolonging its inevitable death. Or if someone were, say, a prostitute in Bangladesh, who if she had a girl baby, knew it was destined for a life of hunger, lack of education, and then child prostitution, and she did not see a way she could give the baby to someone who could help it, she would commit infanticide. So to me, it depends on the circumstances. No one in the U.S. should commit infanticide, unless it were truly extreme, remarkable circumstances.
@@KD-vb9hh I find all killing wrong. No exceptions. You can defend yourself without killing the other. And war is usually fought for someone else's ideals..for their bank accounts.
@@sissyrayself7508 Your Christian views are deluding you. Many religions see birth as personhood, not conception Not everyone is a brain dead christian
@@isawadelapradera6490 that's part of the reason why I'm not surprised it wasn't popular. Kinda takes away the, uh, sensation of the experience with the prostitute... makes much more sense as a sex toy
@Sarah Hluchy Client: This horn is not working for me let's ditch it. Prostitute: You are telling me. YOU ARE STABBING ME IN THE CROTCH WITH A HORN!!! You were going to have to ditch that before we went any further buddy.
"nothing deflated a customer's excitement like having the facade of erotic glamour be shattered by a swollen belly" me, remembering there are people out there with pregnancy fetish: 👁👄👁
I can imagine it’d be different for someone who regularly employs sex workers and risks getting them pregnant. If a sex worker was undressing in front of me and I was faced with the reminder I could theoretically have a few kids out there after fucking over some poor, abused teenage girl who is now a mother to my bastard child??? I’d be out of the mood immediately if I could get someone pregnant and employed a lot of sex workers.
My mother always wanted to run a brothel. She was a "working woman" on and off. I was rented out from 9 until I ran away at 15 and had to work on my own..."customers" were invariably older white men. I got out at 23 but just because a 54 year old bought me and my son (by then I'd been bought and sold a couple of times by owners...not my mom). I live in the US. I have one child that I had at 16. I have no idea who the father is...I hope people who watch this get angry about the girls, women, and boys forced to serve men because it's still happening all over the world. My son is an adult now and we are free.
Its disturbing to read on this thread so many who would rather kill a child than have it be a child prostitute. Its disturbing because I was one and I agree. I'd rather never have lived. Sent back to the spirit world is a much better option.
I'm glad you're free. Your incubator can go *fuck* herself. I refuse to refer to her as your mother. No sane parent does this to their kids. So she doesn't deserve that title.
right? they did have a point. by selling your daughter to a brothel you'd sign her up for a life of abuse at the hands of the clients or the boss, sexually transmitted diseases, UTIs, unwanted pregnancies and most likely premature death. By unaliving a newborn you just...end their life at day one. Not saying infanticide is okay, but....
Ur right tho, the newborn has died and dont have to suffer in life as they grow up, but the daughter will, until she probably thinks that 'its just like any other day', dont mean anything bad.
Yeah honestly i'm really scared of pregnancy because of the body changes. It honestly ridiculous how some people say that you should just put the baby for adoption instead of abortion, like is just waiting and pushing
Burning a moxa cone and placing it over an acupoint it is actually a method used in traditional chinese medicine, which was brought over to Japan and Korea.
@@tadakixd8571 acupoints aren't real things, for the record, no matter how much "traditional medicine" believes in them. It's just as bunk (if not more so) than trying to balance the humors.
I mean to be fair anyone can kill a baby it’s actually very easy as long as you’re an in human bastard. As has been proven by the fact that many men have killed their own children to or other people’s. He is talking about message used to kill children I don’t see why he is not qualified
this idea that the child is "half in the spirit world" is really interesting. in Hungarian a euphemism for abortion is "angel making" as people believed kids go to heaven directly and become angels.
Funny these comments are upset at people from hundreds of years ago. If you judged virtually anyone from the far past with modern standards, they'd all be murderous, bigoted, ignorant savages. And one day our future relatives will likely see us the same.
This is the history I like the most. How day to day people lived their lives back then and in their cultures and the stuff no one likes to talk about specifically.
That's actually the "newer" focus of history nowadays, even the one taught at school. Daily lives of the common people, rather than how many thrones had a Habsburg on them. The latter is still pretty interesting to understand the geopolitical landscape of the time, though!
@@spooniesarah tbf, I like the idea of placing events in order on a timeline, but learning the exact year, and even worse month/day is a pain in the bum. Like, cool, Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492 (and look at scrub me, I don't even know the exact day, how horrendous!), but it matters because it ends the middle ages and starts the modern era, and the age of explorations/colonialism. Ooor you could simply remember it occured at the turn between the 15th and the 16th century. Solved.
Most of our time is spent sleeping, eating, shitting and posting comments on CZcams videos (some of which, like Linfamy's, are quite amusing and entertaining - unlike using a hollowed out bovine horn as a preservative) which makes a comprehensive history of so-called average people pretty boring. History has a bias toward "big events" which often largely implicate "major actors" who almost always belong to the higher social classes of the period. And, yes, these said people also happen to be the ones writing about and discussing history. One thing is for certain, Linfamy's presentation style (which in some ways mirrors that of other humor-based CZcams history channels) is far more interesting than a dry rendition of historical events. And also, history as a series of dates and names to be memorized is great for standardized testing.
@@horgh_japan Well, even though a lot of our time is spent eating, shitting, and sleeping; people in the past might have had different habits when it came to all these. Even moreso depending on what their social category and geographical location was, without even accounting for culture. That's a richer topic than you'd believe :P (as the horn condom can clearly show)
Killing newborns happened in Europe as well... unwed mothers risked a lot so they went to angel makers who quietly got rid of unwanted babies. In Sweden we have a whole song about flowers that can induced abortion...
My grandma used to tell me similar stories. She was working as a ballet dancer and explained me that those DIY abortions were also common practices In Europe before pill was invented.
Yet another prove that people will find a way to not keep unwanted kids or make abortions legal or not. The best way about is make safe so people can make a choice clear headed and without panic.
Many other cultures have considered children "spirits not fully of this world" until older. Infant death was common in the past. And they could just "slip away", back to where they came from. Becoming attached could be to painful.
Between being murdered at birth or being sold to prostitution, i would take the first in a heart beat. I would still think "thank you Mama, at least it was brief".
In much of Latin and Caribbean cultures, we use Rue plant. The plant induces abortions and menstruation. It is most often used to regulate periods, but from time to time it would be used as a form of morning after pill to avoid pregnancies or if too late to induce abortions. It had no complications, as it works with the natural body of a woman. For women who want to keep babies, they are warned to stay far away from this plant. Just the fumes it omits is enough to induce the menstruation cycle that would cause the body to naturally abort the baby. It is not a plant to mess around with. For everyone, including men, it helps with digestion and circulation issues. It is also used to improve vision. I just know it as something that helps regulating my menstruation cycles because hypothyroidism is a bitch and complicates things for any woman. I use to bleed once every two weeks or so, but Rue saved the day and made it easier to regulate and control the flow. I now have it only have it once a month for 6 days and even though it is heavier than usual. I rather deal with that than worrying when it will show up as it use to be unpredictable did whatever it wanted and show up whenever it wanted to, making living impossible. 😥I share this so that other women aren't alone and there is a manageable method to take back control of their cycles, and for male doctors to know there are alternative ways to save their female patients. Those hypothyroid meds are expensive, while a female Rue plant cost only $24 at a local Botanica store, and if well cared for have that plant for generations and massive quantity.
Ooh I forgot about Rue! I remembered that Mugwort and Myrrh are used similarly, and that frankincense helps with circulation as well as being a mild antidepressant, but completely forgot about the wonder plant Rue!
I can see why it was considered worse to let a child grow and selling it. If you kill the baby, the soul will just be reborn and they will have a better chance at life somewhere else. If you let the kid grow and sell it, you are using another soul for your own personal gain and condemning it to what is most likely a bad life.
@@Sofiaode18 Death is final. You are no longer free because you no longer exist. Some say living a life no matter how bad is still better than being dead. Depends on a person though.
@@tareag993 Moo and I could not be any more clearly joking. You, on the other hand... I don't think you know what consciousness means. An unconscious baby would be a sleeping baby, but I'm pretty sure you're trying to refer to the lower cognitive functions and limited perception an infant possesses. A better word might be 'sentient' or 'sapient,' depending on what stage of mind you consider the child to have developed, or rather not developed at that point. Anyhow, this is part of a much larger argument, a much *much* larger argument that I absolutely do not want to get into, lest "they" appear. Why even bring it up? Well, I can't just let you go around claiming babies lack consciousness for months, you'll sound like a moron.
A pap shouldn't be painful. If it is, tell your gyno. I've never been penetrated by a horn but I'd assume that is supposed to be painful...so, I'd have to say 1000000% rather a pap.
"Certified techniques, seven days a week." And that kids, is why I subscribed to this man in under 2 minutes of watching his video for the first time in my life.
to be fair: hearing all of this, i would have been happy if my mom decidet to send me back instead of handing me over to the brothel. So the guys saying that people selling their daughters to brothels are worse than those who kill them as babies MIGHT be on to something
@@sissyrayself7508 In an environment like that? No you would commit suicide no matter how lofty you think your ideals to be. You live in the luxury of a modern 1st world society.
@@MythicalNinja so you'd rather be raped daily, beaten, half starved and dying of syphilis by 20? Yeah I'd rather be dead, id also rather be dead than a vegetable too but I don't see people get bent about shape about that.
With all those child deaths being common in those times, it's not suprising that people would think that kids are not entirely in our world yet. It's the same same with slavic ceremony of hair-cutting at the age of 7, when child was given a name for the first time. Before it was just 'a kid'.
@@electroandcake6658 Well, the whole first hair cutting was a pagan tradition, unused for hundreds of years, at least in Poland... Popular legend about the founder of the Piast dynasty have mentioned this ceremony about his son, Ziemowit. Although now that I look you may be right, some say that they named the child, just not by proper name, that one came after he was 7 and got a buzz cut :)
I'm writing an essay on pregnancy in history for my German class and was just looking for more material. Thank you so much for the video! 🙏🏻 You helped me a lot without knowing it. 💙
Memo to self: should you ever go back in time, never incarnate in a Japanese sex worker: - smelly customers - STDs - drinking mercury on a regular basis
Tbh that’s also modern sex work is to a extent even now adays. I have been to Amsterdam and parts of japan the people that tend to go to the red light districts are interesting chracters to say the least.
@@daoistsaintmasterofthenasc6220 lets just say it’s a mix of what you expect to be there , fellas that are even worse then that and normal people. I’m sure you could google videos of red light districts but other then that it’s a see to believe kinda thing.
id say ending a newborn isnt worse than selling of a young child, as the newborn wouldnt have had much suffering as it would have died, whereas selling off a young child could mean 50+ years of suffering and trauma, and defenceless once the first people who you were sold off to were done with you
Isn’t there a random fact where a lady saw giving birth as a kink and that’s how women started adapting giving birth laying down instead of squating? Sorry it just came to mind
4:15 yep, pretty much. A man can impregnant a woman and leave, she is stuck with the child. This can lead to a loss of her finances and health. Reliable birth control methods are important!
Thanks for not shying away from the grim reality of history Linfamy. Infanticide has been practiced by many cultures throughout history. Like prostitution and slavery it's a reality of history.
Honestly I don't really see the problem with it. In the same way that it doesn't make much sense to consider a fetus a person (in the philosophical sense), it doesn't make much sense to consider a newborn a person either. We regularly kill and eat living things with more intelligence and introspection. There's a reason why if a mother kills her newborn, we are more concerned about her state of mind and mental health, whereas if she kills her twelve-year-old, our thoughts go immediately to the child and we are horrified by the mother's actions. Killing newborns feels wrong because they are cute and we are evolutionarily programmed not to want to do it, but from a moral standpoint, it's not so bad. It's not nearly as bad as killing an adult, anyway.
@@William1w1You got it all wrong, from an evolutionary standpoint, it is not morally wrong, from a moral stand point it is incredibly wrong, unless there is a high risk of death in having your child then it is wrong to kill your baby. In a world created on accident by nothing, there is nothing that is objectively evil or good, only personal preference, rape is not wrong, murder of a child or an adult is not wrong, pedophilia is not wrong, sexual abuse isn’t wrong, that’s just the reality, think otherwise and your just being delusional. Morality is subjective and cultural in an evolutionary world.
@@William1w1 Murdering a child feels wrong because you’ve ended the life of an innocent human being, it would be much better to kill and adult then to kill a child whose done nothing wrong. Children can be cute, but in my opinion babies aren’t that cute looking. It’s fine I guess to value other creatures based off of cuteness, but if your putting the price of how much a humans life matters based off of how cute they are that’s kinda disgusting.💀
@@William1w1 Okay I was re-reading your comment and I just realized you said that you think most people are more concerned for the murderer when they kill a newborn then when the murderer were to kill a more grown child, what sort of backward morals do u have? The average person would see a newborn being murdered just as wrong as a 12 year old being murdered, the more I re-read your comment the more disturbed I’m getting what the hell r your moral standards?
@@thetiredworm2100 I think you should be more concerned about your judgment, perception and grammar. You’re pointing out opinionated flaws on William’s statement, without truly understanding what they’re saying. At the same time, you’re creating a facade of a neutral stance and open-mindedness, but it’s quite obvious what your bias is. I suggest you reread and comprehend their thoughts/perspective before you force your bias.
I expected drinking some herbs, getting tied up and treated like a heavy bag, ad if all else fails drown it before it screams... In central Europe, drowning or abandoning babies in woods full of wolves and pigs was the traditional route. There are a few stories of kids that survived and lived in the woods as feral children...
I appreciate that you pointed out that attitudes towards abortions are usually more influenced by population and economic needs. If a country is in decline severely, it's usual for abortion laws to be stricter whereas a country with a problem of over-population, even if morally against abortion, is likely to have fewer regulations or at least, lesser punishments. Ultimately, we're animals and the urge to procreate is to continue to species, but if the species is not at risk, or our clan (i.e. family, national identity) isn't at risk... meh.
I'd say the existence of Russia pre soviet union/ bolshivek would disprove this, same with the counties that made up the eastern Roman empire/byzantine
And why it was considered a lesser problem than "sending back" adults who were more tethered to the human world. Very interesting perspective to consider.
People often consider myths and folklore separate from history, but they're very much intertwined. This is an example of how superstitious beliefs have real world effects.
@@Linfamy there is a common theory here in the paranormal community that children are some how able to see spirits and other supernatural creatures that adults couldn't kinda like dogs and cats being able to see spirits. Most people supposedly grow out of this "sense". Would you be willing to do more episodes about ancient Japanese supernatural beliefs, I liked your videos on the Kappa and Kitsune
@@Linfamy But isn't it more like a superstitious belief having real world source not other way around? Infants have very weak immune system, they often died in the first year even if you cared for them. Or if a mother was malnurished she would lost her milk so infant also died. In all (absolutely all) ancient cultures death of the baby in the first years of life didn't have the same weight as death of an adult.
@@jameskosusnik1102 As one of the people who never grew out of being able to see spirits, and other supernatural creatures, its very much a real thing :P
In Vietnam we also have a plant that was said to be used for abortion, it was called “Sauropus androgynus” (English name from Wiki, but in Vietnam we call it “rau ngót”). I actually dont know why it has such an effect on pregnancy, but I do know from real stories that women now and in the past have use this as a method for abortion. However it doesnt always work, a lot of the times the baby is alive, however they can still be very weak and fragile due to the effect of that vegetable. Of course its not like poison where you just take one dose and the deed is done, in order for it to “work” you would have to consume a huge amount of that vegetable during your whole pregnancy and *hope* that it works. Bonus: For normal people, eating the vegetable could be very good for your health, or you can just eat it cause it is pretty good.
The idea of a baby's life being less than an adult one is much more common than people might think. Some think it had to do with how child mortality was way higher than nowadays, it was common that anyone have lost at least one sibling before adulthood, and to compesate people had way more children than now. You might even say is a coping mechanism at the sorrow from losing your own child, while other times is use as an excuse to do horrible acts to them, sometimes because of bad circunstances like poverty, others on purpose by pure evil motives.
You know, it wasn't until quite recently that infants were anesthetized for surgery. It was believed that babies didn't feel pain in the same way, and if they did, they wouldn't remember it. It's still happening today because this is still believed.
@@Melissa-wx4lu That's interesting. Horrible, but interesting. However, until fairly recently no one got anesthetized during surgery... my guess is part of the reason they didn't anesthetize babies during surgery was because children reaction to anesthesia differently than adults, and there were concerns about mis-measuring before they had the ability to continuously measure blood-pressure, brainwaves, and blood oxygen levels. Surgeons don't want to operate on a screaming baby, it's both distracting and EXTREMELY disturbing.
Considering all the abortions we have even nowadays, the idea that a baby's life is less than an adult one is sadly not only common back then, but also now.
Been a while, Lin! See you're still pounding out historical truths and fun facts! You've put out so many pounders now, you're infamous! Keep up the wonderful works!
I'm pro-choice (and have made the choice to not have children and have my tubes tied), but it's rather vicious to go a whole 9 months, deal with all the emotional and physical ups and downs of pregnancy, lose wages due to said pregnancy, make it through the rigors of giving birth...all to then have someone choke out the baby. Damn, Japan, you cutthroat! 😂
Post birth "contraception" and non attachment to a young child was not unique to Japan. Babies would ve been thrown away in Rome for example, mostly female ones hence missing daughters syndrome which...Still happens to this day. Some cultures place value on male child so usg is often used to get rid of daughters. Baby death rate was extremely high in the past compared to today too, so not developing attachment to a child was often a strategy for adults to cope with that.
@@daringcow yeah ikr it used to happen in my country in some parts .. And this is the reason why it is illegal to view the gender of the baby before birth (they would kill it if it was a girl)cause apparently female children were a burden ...And it still does in some places and families . It is an extremely gross practice . Imagine how hard it must be to be a girl in these parts .
It’s the system those women were in, they would knew what kind of life they could give or could not give for their child. And like what Linfamy said children were raised and trained to be entertainers, so what kind of life would those mothers give. That’s why they abort or kill the baby after birth because under their circumstances death was better at least at the time.
Yeah, but that assumes that in general parents (at least in the place and period) cared about the future quality of life of their children. Like planning and giving it some thought. I’d imagine that humans (even today) have different ways of viewing the responsibilities and desires that parenthood entails. Maybe it’s not universally“I have to help make my child’s life the best and happiest it can be”
@@yucol5661 I wouldn't blame them , if i knowingly brought in a child that had no chance of quality- of life I'd kill it too. I believing merciful euthanasia, babies with severe disabilities that would die a slow painful death sounds more cruel
@@serpentinewolf7085 don't entirely agree with that my husband was blind as a baby and he still can't see well but his vision improved with age . He can drive but learned the hard way when hes either exhausted or it's at night he shouldn't be behind the wheel . Its definitely a case by case bases .
@@dakotamabry1645 I still prefer the ol natural selection route. We haven’t done it in too long and it shows. At seven billion humans we can start again.
I think the trouble is in looking at this from a modern perspective. Back in that period, there were no such things as Welfare or state-run Children's Homes, but there were such things as starvation or just lives of grinding poverty and misery in general. A good example I can readily think of is The Children's Crusade. Modern accounts say that Étienne of France and Nicholas of Germany, completely unaware of one another, led thousands of children from their respective countries on a mission to retake Jerusalem and peacefully convert the Muslims there to Christianity. In the modern accounts of Étienne and Nicholas, these missions failed and yet both groups were largely met with peace and allowed to return home after making it to Pisa, in the case of Étienne, and Marseilles in the case of Nicholas. One older account says that these groups made up of children were sold to merchants by the names of Hugh the Iron and William of Posqueres and then put on ships to Tunisia, where they were again sold into slavery. Another older account says that the boats these kids were put on by the two merchants sank at sea and all of the kids drowned. Basically, the sanitized modern versions of this story reflect our lives: soft, safe, sentimental and full of safety nets when it comes to things like unplanned pregnancies. Older accounts written around the period when this would have occurred (1212 AD,) reflect those times: hard, dangerous, completely practical and without regard or care for the lives of children who just amounted to being extra mouths to feed. It's easy to moralize from our safe, modern perspective, but people in this comments section very likely would have taken the same course of action as these H00k3rs, had they lived at that time and under the same circumstances. Up until quite recently, life was largely unfair and quite brief. Basically, people responded to the hard times by hardening their hearts. Edit: I gotta say it, Linfamy, you choose some controversial topics, and I really appreciate you doing that. Just please don't get into trouble with the pu$$1es who moderate CZcams.
While largely true, I wouldn't say it was quite that simple. There have seemingly always been people with fairly modern morals, but how common they were and how much influence they carried varied a lot. And as for life being brief, that idea is largely a product of high child mortality skewing the numbers. In most societies, aside from times of plague or famine, if you made it past childhood you stood a good chance of living a fairly long life.
@@Ryodraco I agree with both of you guys but to add on - whether or not these people had modern morals couldn’t make up for the reality they were facing. Hardening ones heart is more about adapting to survive. It’s not inherently representative of what an individual wants, rather has to do. But it can so fully encompass a person that the adapted ruthlessness is indistinguishable from the persons identity. It’s human nature to care for one another as that’s how we keep our kind alive, but when you get down to it you put yourself first. (“You” meaning anyone.) Those are just biological instincts. A person who lives in such dire situations with such a limited view of things has the impression that to be that way is necessary, and in doing so puts others in unfair situations and/or influences others world view to be just as harsh. It’s a hard cycle to get out of. Idk if that makes sense, my point is just that I think most people inherently are good but our circumstances can make us bad, and it can seem like our coldness is who we are, rather than what we had to do which became a learned and habitual behavior.
The reason these woman were so scared of getting pregnant was because of the misogynistic abuse they would face which i heavily downplayed in this video and not even mentioned. The prostitutes' were sex slaves and even the men raping them, and even punters in the modern world hate being face with any evidence of woman being fully human and not a sex object.[ergo getting pregant] Same issue happens to day with some* men through fits when they see period products or breastfeeding but but are fine to look at porn. Even with contraception for men was invented men REFUSED to wear it because they didn't like they way it felt [many men still do,that why woman needed their own birth control. STD were spread rabbidly by men and the brothels which raped and trafficked woman were only shut down in Europe after *Men* who were the main carriers of STD got sick, and not because they were killing scores of woman..that didn't matter. The lower you status was being a sex SLAVE in japan, the less chances you had to reject a man. The woman would be killed or thrown out and seeing as a "ruined prodcut" if they were pregnant and woman with pregnancies outside of marriage regardless of it was rape or not could be murdered at worst [In Europe stone to dealt sometimes] or kicked out and left to fend for themselves to be raped worst outside of the human trafficking zone.Its literally called the red light district for FFS. Any woman who was unforuntantly to be their would be raped and sold and the woman on the "outside" whwere a lot more vulnerable then the ones inside though the whole area was a trafficking zone. Just like with miso_gynist that pretend the comfort woman sex S_L_A_V_E_S were fucking 'paid prostitutes'" nothing about this situation for these woman was of thier free will because that the laws men made. and OFC face almost no consequence. Its not a "moral issue" you fully ignore the situation and way woman were treated in the time periode.
@@stargazing_gazer2847 I think I get where you're coming from, but aren't you conflating a lot of cultures and time periods? Not sure we can say the high class prostitutes were all simply sex slaves given how much influence and money some of them had at some points in Japanese history.
@@Ryodraco being a slave does not mean to be poor. There were and are many educated and influential slaves, i.e. in Greece. High class courtisans have made it there. But: being a slave means not to be free. No matter how popular in the district, you don't get out. Never.
For awhile I wondered why they didn't just use the calendar method. Then I remembered my mom. Until she gave birth, her cycles were not exactly predictable. Sure it was when she was 13 to 16, but then it kind of became irregular. There were three times when she went 100 days without a period and one time it was as long as three years, then 3 more on normal monthly cycles. It got to the point when she had me and went to the doctor to ask why she wasn't feeling well the conversation was comical. "Are you pregnant?" "I don't know" "Are you trying to get pregant?" "Yes" "when was the last time you had your period?" "Three months ago." "Don't you think you're pregnant?" "No, not really" Ok not every woman has extreme variations like this, but I'm guessing most deviate from the textbook 28 day neat cycle enough to make the calendar method imperfect.
Very similar story to mine. I didn't even suspect I was pregnant the first time until almost 4 1/2 months in because of how unstable and random my cycles are.
Also, your cycle usually is highly influenced by your nutrition and health. You think somebody who was starving would have a normal cycle? I don’t really think so
Right. Mine has always been very irregular, even before getting an IUD or going on the pill. I’ve bled for two months straight and I’ve gone a year and a half without spotting. It’s never a 28 day cycle and there is no pattern whatsoever. It’d be really nice to have a regular cycle.
Unwanted newborns were often sent back by poor families during times of plague and famine. There are many stories of yokai that emerge from these practices.
Well that's has been a practice really everywhere in the world where crisis has struck, they either left the baby somewhere, drowned it, ate it or waited for it to just die on it's own. That's just how it always goes.
@@fardsyadshafie3021 Unfortunately, yes. When you have 6 other children under age 10 and you’re eating soil, rats & vermin, roots, and worms & insects, cannibalism doesn’t seem so bad. One less mouth to feed, one less fragile being to take care of. Those of us who always have edible, nutritious food to eat should feel very lucky because most of our ancestors didn’t have that luxury.
2:36 LMAO that determined Naruto type sperm got me hard😂😂😂 his never giving up nature saved him from dying.....well, that sperm was the child of prophecy after all..... LITERALLY 🤣🤣.
Most pregnancies were likely terminated in the second half of pregnancy because most women didn’t know they were pregnant till then. It was a lot harder to figure out if you were pregnant back then. It’s not always just like turning off a light. A period going missing for a few months when you’re a busy woman won’t be noticed. Nausea all the time? Wont give it any mind. Putting on weight? That’s strange. Eventually you see it all together but in a time when there wasn’t a lot of understanding about how pregnancy even worked it was hard to be someone who could grow a whole person inside of you.
Dude I got an advertisement for pampers while watching this video lmao But yeah, great content, I really like learning about the old eras and mythologies of Japan
Glad you're going into some darker shit without glazing it over lmao. Reminds me of a twitter poem I saw a few weeks ago about recognizing the archaeological remains of a brothel and went something like "A pit of baby's bones A pit of newborn baby's bones Is how you recognize a brothel"
0:12 "Getting pregnant was a pretty rude thing to do." Ara Ara, my apologies, I should have been more mindful and found a condom or a contraceptive that didn't exist until like 154 - 400 years later. My bad~!
Me: not thinking about mercury Linfamy: "MERCURY, THERE WAS ALSO MERCURY" Me: stuck in a mental wormhole where I can't stop thinking about mercury and which bodily orifice it's going to go up next
This video reminds me of the youkai named ubume, which are mostly spirits of women who have died in childbirth or from complications related to that. Ubume were thought to try to steal other women's children and rear them as her own, or if the ubume was a woman who died after giving birth to a surviving baby, she would carry the baby around. If you haven't already, please make a video on them. I've just started reading "The Summer of Ubume" by Kyougoku Natsuhiko, and the part I am at now (near the beginning), they're discussing about a woman who has apparently been pregnant for 20 months straight, and it doesn't seem to be a phantom pregnancy like with Mary I. I love it so far
@4:05 lady on right: Hi, I'm here to adopt the baby Lady on left: Ah, sorry, we don't have a baby, we have this small middle aged man. Lady on right: Hmm, that isn't really what I am looking for. Lady on left: He's got some good dance moves... Lady of right: Oh, OK, go on then.
You should check out the time period known as Present Day. Fun fact: You most definitely consume products made by slave labor (there may or may not be child slaves involved).
You thought it was going to be a pleasant video.
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I have a test tomorrow 😫 I need to sudy insetd of watching this video
@@sopopo608 lol study!
I thought they would let her belly flop to eliminate the child.
Man your videos are fun there is one whole arc in the Gintama anime regarding courtesans having a baby in the Edo period's Yoshiwara near the Kabuki-cho and I loved that arc it showed what it meant to be a mother in those parts of the world
@@Aman_Mondal I was just about to comment that. One of the few times a comedy anime like Gintama became very serious. Love that show
"Mercury was highly effective to ending pregnancies because you can't be pregnant if you are dead" -- Hank Green
Well it doesn't kill you right away. And there are different types of mercury.
Is this quote comes from a CrashCourse video? Can you tell me from which video it is?
@@philemon26
Probably from sci show actually. I’m not sure
I see you are people of culture as well.
saus?
Imagine giving birth and then saying “yeah I want a refund send it back”
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just like, nahh its rewind timee
Abortion isnt only for that reason tho ... there can be a plethora of reasons .
Do you have the receipt?
Nah we're sending it back to the spirit realm
"some believed that killing your daughter was better than selling her to a brothel"
if I'm being honest, id rather get punted as a newborn rather than work with STDs, abusive customers/bosses, being objectified and having a constant risk of pregnancy which is just an immense amount of pain as well as other issues like the multitude of diseases you can contract etc. life would be a misery and probably lead me to depression ngl
Yup
If rather habe an express ticket to death than get fucked my entire life
"get punted" that made me laugh xD
Same
Yup. Take me out from the get-go.
Same, fucking yeet my ass back to the void.
People who are shocked by infanticide really know very little about history. It was extremely common, in almost all cultures.
So was rape, murder and war..historically very common..and also all morally wrong.
@@sissyrayself7508 I find rape always morally wrong, homicide wrong except in the case of self-defense or in a defensive war, war always wrong unless it is a well-thought through defensive war that does not engage in certain types of criminal warfare, and infanticide wrong in our society now here in America. But I can see how if I had a baby in a time of starvation, I would kill it to prevent it from suffering, prolonging its inevitable death. Or if someone were, say, a prostitute in Bangladesh, who if she had a girl baby, knew it was destined for a life of hunger, lack of education, and then child prostitution, and she did not see a way she could give the baby to someone who could help it, she would commit infanticide. So to me, it depends on the circumstances. No one in the U.S. should commit infanticide, unless it were truly extreme, remarkable circumstances.
@@KD-vb9hh I find all killing wrong. No exceptions. You can defend yourself without killing the other. And war is usually fought for someone else's ideals..for their bank accounts.
@@sissyrayself7508 Your Christian views are deluding you. Many religions see birth as personhood, not conception
Not everyone is a brain dead christian
@@sissyrayself7508 no you can't. Thankfully my God allows killing in self defense
“Getting pregnant was rude to their peers”
The baby in their belly: 👁👄👁💧
(Is born)
“How rude”
(Dies)
Their non living thing that can’t think or have emotions since it’s scientifically not a human.
Knuckles Skinner did you really need to?
@@knucklesskinner253 it’s a joke.
@@knucklesskinner253 💀 rlly bruh?
"The horn condom wasn't very popular with the clients or the workers..." no surprise there.
lmao
@@Linfamy it reminded me of the movie seven...
The question is... if you're shoving your willie into a hollowed-out horn... what do you need an expensive prostitute for?
@@isawadelapradera6490 that's part of the reason why I'm not surprised it wasn't popular. Kinda takes away the, uh, sensation of the experience with the prostitute... makes much more sense as a sex toy
@Sarah Hluchy Client: This horn is not working for me let's ditch it.
Prostitute: You are telling me. YOU ARE STABBING ME IN THE CROTCH WITH A HORN!!! You were going to have to ditch that before we went any further buddy.
"nothing deflated a customer's excitement like having the facade of erotic glamour be shattered by a swollen belly"
me, remembering there are people out there with pregnancy fetish: 👁👄👁
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I can imagine it’d be different for someone who regularly employs sex workers and risks getting them pregnant. If a sex worker was undressing in front of me and I was faced with the reminder I could theoretically have a few kids out there after fucking over some poor, abused teenage girl who is now a mother to my bastard child??? I’d be out of the mood immediately if I could get someone pregnant and employed a lot of sex workers.
Remembering that pregnancy is one of the tamer fetishes
And/or breastfeeding
My mother always wanted to run a brothel. She was a "working woman" on and off. I was rented out from 9 until I ran away at 15 and had to work on my own..."customers" were invariably older white men. I got out at 23 but just because a 54 year old bought me and my son (by then I'd been bought and sold a couple of times by owners...not my mom). I live in the US. I have one child that I had at 16. I have no idea who the father is...I hope people who watch this get angry about the girls, women, and boys forced to serve men because it's still happening all over the world. My son is an adult now and we are free.
Its disturbing to read on this thread so many who would rather kill a child than have it be a child prostitute. Its disturbing because I was one and I agree. I'd rather never have lived. Sent back to the spirit world is a much better option.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. No mother should ever use her child like that. I hope your life is so much better now.
I'm glad you're free.
Your incubator can go *fuck* herself. I refuse to refer to her as your mother.
No sane parent does this to their kids. So she doesn't deserve that title.
crimeny shits thats dark
Glad you were able to leave !
"some people even believed that selling your daughter to a brothel was worse than killing a newborn" I mean that doesn't sound that unreasonable.
right? they did have a point. by selling your daughter to a brothel you'd sign her up for a life of abuse at the hands of the clients or the boss, sexually transmitted diseases, UTIs, unwanted pregnancies and most likely premature death. By unaliving a newborn you just...end their life at day one. Not saying infanticide is okay, but....
They totally had a point really
I can definitely see that, since it will be a live of misery
@@pytlikklara spawn kill
Ur right tho, the newborn has died and dont have to suffer in life as they grow up, but the daughter will, until she probably thinks that 'its just like any other day', dont mean anything bad.
"Pregnancies also came with health issues like:
-depression
-childbirth
and
-getting beaten by your manager."
-Linfamy
Ah yes, Depression.. I always hated this Health Issue
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yes we watched the video, whats with people writing quotes from the video and add literally nothing to it
@@e.d.i3781 to talk about that quote of the video
Yeah honestly i'm really scared of pregnancy because of the body changes. It honestly ridiculous how some people say that you should just put the baby for adoption instead of abortion, like is just waiting and pushing
Getting a Pampers ad for this video was absolute insanity.
“You know what? I’m not really feeling this baby, after all”
*banishes to shadow realm*
They were so close with the mugwort... In high doses it can be used for birth control and abortion but you have to drink it, not burn it
Burning a moxa cone and placing it over an acupoint it is actually a method used in traditional chinese medicine, which was brought over to Japan and Korea.
@@tadakixd8571 All traditional Chinese Medicine is bogus.
Oh and here I thought they we're trying to smoke out the baby it works for foxes so why not fetuses😂🤣😂🤣😂
So is parsley. It is a very effective abortant apparently.
@@tadakixd8571 acupoints aren't real things, for the record, no matter how much "traditional medicine" believes in them. It's just as bunk (if not more so) than trying to balance the humors.
"As a man, I think I'm uniquely qualified to talk about them" lmao
I swear if mpreg isn’t a thing in the next hundred years imma be mad
@@dacringeyfangirl same🤣🤣🤣
I mean to be fair anyone can kill a baby it’s actually very easy as long as you’re an in human bastard. As has been proven by the fact that many men have killed their own children to or other people’s. He is talking about message used to kill children I don’t see why he is not qualified
@@dacringeyfangirl well the first artificial wombs are already being researched sooo.. maybe in a decade or two??
@@rds7696 yes, I want to be a seahorse and just go, "here love I got you started, you can finished the rest of this trip."
" Sometimes a determined Naruto like Tadpole who never gave up would slip through the bamboo " omg best line yet 🤣🤣🤣
this idea that the child is "half in the spirit world" is really interesting. in Hungarian a euphemism for abortion is "angel making" as people believed kids go to heaven directly and become angels.
I am sure that made them feel much better about their murderous " choice"..
Funny these comments are upset at people from hundreds of years ago. If you judged virtually anyone from the far past with modern standards, they'd all be murderous, bigoted, ignorant savages. And one day our future relatives will likely see us the same.
@password 12 Well...we still have religions don't we?
@@sissyrayself7508You can't kill something which aint alive yet😂
@@luciferia.1313 A fetus is alive.
This is the history I like the most. How day to day people lived their lives back then and in their cultures and the stuff no one likes to talk about specifically.
Much better than the typical way history is taught which is through the lens of which wars happened during which year.
That's actually the "newer" focus of history nowadays, even the one taught at school. Daily lives of the common people, rather than how many thrones had a Habsburg on them. The latter is still pretty interesting to understand the geopolitical landscape of the time, though!
@@spooniesarah tbf, I like the idea of placing events in order on a timeline, but learning the exact year, and even worse month/day is a pain in the bum. Like, cool, Columbus discovered the Americas in 1492 (and look at scrub me, I don't even know the exact day, how horrendous!), but it matters because it ends the middle ages and starts the modern era, and the age of explorations/colonialism. Ooor you could simply remember it occured at the turn between the 15th and the 16th century. Solved.
Most of our time is spent sleeping, eating, shitting and posting comments on CZcams videos (some of which, like Linfamy's, are quite amusing and entertaining - unlike using a hollowed out bovine horn as a preservative) which makes a comprehensive history of so-called average people pretty boring.
History has a bias toward "big events" which often largely implicate "major actors" who almost always belong to the higher social classes of the period. And, yes, these said people also happen to be the ones writing about and discussing history.
One thing is for certain, Linfamy's presentation style (which in some ways mirrors that of other humor-based CZcams history channels) is far more interesting than a dry rendition of historical events.
And also, history as a series of dates and names to be memorized is great for standardized testing.
@@horgh_japan Well, even though a lot of our time is spent eating, shitting, and sleeping; people in the past might have had different habits when it came to all these. Even moreso depending on what their social category and geographical location was, without even accounting for culture. That's a richer topic than you'd believe :P (as the horn condom can clearly show)
Killing newborns happened in Europe as well... unwed mothers risked a lot so they went to angel makers who quietly got rid of unwanted babies. In Sweden we have a whole song about flowers that can induced abortion...
'Angel Makers' sounds lovely... the reality is unspeakably sad, though.
@@jennymulhall816 Jupp. It was not exactly legal but it still happened
Ikajo
You are a swed like me?!
@@thenobody4793 jajamän 😉
Ikajo
Äntligen har jag hittat någon svensk här
Calling them "managers" is making something terrifying sound very tame and normal. Normal managers don't beat their workers if they get pregnant
Exactly. NORMAL managers.
Managers? Isn't he talking about pimps?
they are called them managers exactly because it was normal it that time
“Pregnancies come with health issues such as depression, childbirth, and getting beaten by your manager.”
Im honestly impressed they didnt make them work during pregnancy. I would expect some people would be into it and would even pay extra lol
Oh I'm sure that happened sometimes
Scrolled down looking for this
Im sure deviants enjoyed having a bun baking and putting your magic stick inside the oven.
Yeah...some men are REALLY into pregnant women, and of course if a woman is already pregnant she can't get any more pregnant!
@@sarahgray430 all women should hear this cuz a lot of women don’t feel sexy while they’re pregnant
My grandma used to tell me similar stories. She was working as a ballet dancer and explained me that those DIY abortions were also common practices In Europe before pill was invented.
One of my ballet teachers from Russia told us similar stuff.
Yikes
DIY abortions I-
Yet another prove that people will find a way to not keep unwanted kids or make abortions legal or not. The best way about is make safe so people can make a choice clear headed and without panic.
My fra dma told me about how her friends would. Take a scalding hot bath and drink whiskey to induce an abortion
Many other cultures have considered children "spirits not fully of this world" until older.
Infant death was common in the past. And they could just "slip away", back to where they came from. Becoming attached could be to painful.
Between being murdered at birth or being sold to prostitution, i would take the first in a heart beat. I would still think "thank you Mama, at least it was brief".
In much of Latin and Caribbean cultures, we use Rue plant. The plant induces abortions and menstruation. It is most often used to regulate periods, but from time to time it would be used as a form of morning after pill to avoid pregnancies or if too late to induce abortions. It had no complications, as it works with the natural body of a woman. For women who want to keep babies, they are warned to stay far away from this plant. Just the fumes it omits is enough to induce the menstruation cycle that would cause the body to naturally abort the baby. It is not a plant to mess around with. For everyone, including men, it helps with digestion and circulation issues. It is also used to improve vision. I just know it as something that helps regulating my menstruation cycles because hypothyroidism is a bitch and complicates things for any woman. I use to bleed once every two weeks or so, but Rue saved the day and made it easier to regulate and control the flow. I now have it only have it once a month for 6 days and even though it is heavier than usual. I rather deal with that than worrying when it will show up as it use to be unpredictable did whatever it wanted and show up whenever it wanted to, making living impossible. 😥I share this so that other women aren't alone and there is a manageable method to take back control of their cycles, and for male doctors to know there are alternative ways to save their female patients. Those hypothyroid meds are expensive, while a female Rue plant cost only $24 at a local Botanica store, and if well cared for have that plant for generations and massive quantity.
This is also why people often interpret Ophelia mentioning rue in her mad scene as her being pregnant/having been pregnant.
interesting!
Ooh I forgot about Rue! I remembered that Mugwort and Myrrh are used similarly, and that frankincense helps with circulation as well as being a mild antidepressant, but completely forgot about the wonder plant Rue!
This was really neat ty for sharing. Also thyroid issues if any kind suck * hugs * ( but only if you want them as I respect your personal space)
super interesting. Thank you so much for sharing
I can see why it was considered worse to let a child grow and selling it. If you kill the baby, the soul will just be reborn and they will have a better chance at life somewhere else. If you let the kid grow and sell it, you are using another soul for your own personal gain and condemning it to what is most likely a bad life.
True,It might be not your usual moral value but I couldn't agree more
Its such an interesting sentiment, I think specifically because of how much it juxtaposes the western take via Christianity.
Which is why death is a better fate compared to being subjected to a life of abuse.
@@Sofiaode18 Death is final. You are no longer free because you no longer exist. Some say living a life no matter how bad is still better than being dead. Depends on a person though.
@@ggraverobber or you are finally truly free because you no longer exists. As you said depends on the person.
“Returning a child back to the spirit world wasn’t morally wrong.”
In other words, they sent them back to the shadow realm.
You tell yourself that enough times and you can start yo believe the lie.
@@sissyrayself7508 It’s a joke. I’m sorry you don’t understand the reference.
@@sissyrayself7508 What lie? And who are you to claim to know the one and only truth of existence?
My baby came out ugly and I sent them back, the return policy is amazing!! 5 stars!
Imagine just being born and the only thing you hear is "-nah, I would like a refund" before the world fades to black...
*Dawn of the First Day: Zero Hours Remaining*
Infant: "Good thing I can't read!"
i would be throwin air punches in the afterlife tf
You don't have any conciousness in the first months so nope
@@tareag993 Moo and I could not be any more clearly joking. You, on the other hand... I don't think you know what consciousness means. An unconscious baby would be a sleeping baby, but I'm pretty sure you're trying to refer to the lower cognitive functions and limited perception an infant possesses. A better word might be 'sentient' or 'sapient,' depending on what stage of mind you consider the child to have developed, or rather not developed at that point. Anyhow, this is part of a much larger argument, a much *much* larger argument that I absolutely do not want to get into, lest "they" appear. Why even bring it up? Well, I can't just let you go around claiming babies lack consciousness for months, you'll sound like a moron.
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I'm picturing a horn jabbing at my cervix, and I'm trying to decide if that sounds better or worse than a Pap smear.
I bet some are in to it
I'd rather the pap smear. That horn sounds uncomfortable AF.
Depends on how long he lasts 😂😂😂
A pap shouldn't be painful. If it is, tell your gyno. I've never been penetrated by a horn but I'd assume that is supposed to be painful...so, I'd have to say 1000000% rather a pap.
Rather have none. Both sound horrible. I can’t even get a Pap smear cause it hurts so much even when drugged with Valium.
"Certified techniques, seven days a week."
And that kids, is why I subscribed to this man in under 2 minutes of watching his video for the first time in my life.
Midwife: “do you want to keep the baby or send it back… *to the shadow realm!”*
Yūjō: *”Kaiba!!!”*
to be fair: hearing all of this, i would have been happy if my mom decidet to send me back instead of handing me over to the brothel. So the guys saying that people selling their daughters to brothels are worse than those who kill them as babies MIGHT be on to something
definitely onto something, would rather do that then sign my baby up for a life of torture
Speak for YOURSELF.. I would want to LIVE!!!!
@@sissyrayself7508 they are speaking for themselves note the i
@@sissyrayself7508 In an environment like that? No you would commit suicide no matter how lofty you think your ideals to be. You live in the luxury of a modern 1st world society.
@@MythicalNinja so you'd rather be raped daily, beaten, half starved and dying of syphilis by 20?
Yeah I'd rather be dead, id also rather be dead than a vegetable too but I don't see people get bent about shape about that.
Getting pregnant was considered rude 😂😂
Well the brothel was already being generous and giving them 5 days in a row per month. How many other jobs offered benefits like that?
Blaming the woman like usually of course, maybe they should beat the guy instead for 💧
Basically, anything in Japan can be considered rude… lol
Ikr! How inconsiderate of the Yujo 😒 smh 🤦🏻♂️
@@nobodyimportant2470 Take a minute and think about why those five days a month might benefit THIS industry 😅
"The father did not bother." Does this ring a bell to anyone? LOL
This answers the entertainment district's question
And then it's get completely destroyed 😅 if you know what I mean.
With all those child deaths being common in those times, it's not suprising that people would think that kids are not entirely in our world yet. It's the same same with slavic ceremony of hair-cutting at the age of 7, when child was given a name for the first time. Before it was just 'a kid'.
Some places around the ancient Mediterranean didn't name a kid for 10 days because it was totally normal for the kid to die during that time.
Im Slavic ...half Ukrainian half Russian. Never heard about this before. From anyone. Ever. People named their children at birth.
@@electroandcake6658 Well, the whole first hair cutting was a pagan tradition, unused for hundreds of years, at least in Poland... Popular legend about the founder of the Piast dynasty have mentioned this ceremony about his son, Ziemowit.
Although now that I look you may be right, some say that they named the child, just not by proper name, that one came after he was 7 and got a buzz cut :)
@@Gniew2 I remember being taught about that in history class but don't remember it being particularly linked to slavic countries. 🤔
@@morgianasartre6709 Do you remember which peoples also had it? Maybe Celts?
I'm writing an essay on pregnancy in history for my German class and was just looking for more material. Thank you so much for the video! 🙏🏻 You helped me a lot without knowing it. 💙
Maybe I just wanted to help you with your essay 👀
@@Linfamy Well, in that case, thanks for the intentional help! xD
Pls mention him in the credits
@@YoloLollipops Already did!
When I write an essay, I must necessarily cite sources. So I was more than happy to do it! 💙
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto punk naruto is chad
For a second, I thought that the girl in the thumbnail was Daki from Demon slayer
So you don't think selling your daughter is worse? A life of suffering is worse than the end of suffering
"Reality is a fly in the wine glass of lust." is my new favorite saying. It fits well with "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder", methinks.
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Memo to self:
should you ever go back in time, never incarnate in a Japanese sex worker:
- smelly customers
- STDs
- drinking mercury on a regular basis
Tbh that’s also modern sex work is to a extent even now adays. I have been to Amsterdam and parts of japan the people that tend to go to the red light districts are interesting chracters to say the least.
@@joshuabonilla3491 interesting in a what sense ?could you widen my horizons ?
@@daoistsaintmasterofthenasc6220 lets just say it’s a mix of what you expect to be there , fellas that are even worse then that and normal people. I’m sure you could google videos of red light districts but other then that it’s a see to believe kinda thing.
Oh also a lot of old bald dudes XD they aren’t the majority but enough to see a pattern.
@@joshuabonilla3491 thanks for replying !
"Oh I'm sorry I didn't mean to spawn this child all by myself. Can't believe I've done this to you. Whoopsies" - Courtesans of every nation.
id say ending a newborn isnt worse than selling of a young child, as the newborn wouldnt have had much suffering as it would have died, whereas selling off a young child could mean 50+ years of suffering and trauma, and defenceless once the first people who you were sold off to were done with you
I’m cooking ramen noodles right now.. great
Perfect.
It's ok. Just think that the chopsticks to eat ramens were once used to shove medicine for abortion :D
add some aborted fetuses in there for some extra slurpee
@@AntiReligionistz lol
"Yojo can't work while pregnant because it damage their look and might make customer turned off"
People with pregnancy fetish:...
Isn’t there a random fact where a lady saw giving birth as a kink and that’s how women started adapting giving birth laying down instead of squating? Sorry it just came to mind
@@stephaniel3998 it was some king too
4:15 yep, pretty much. A man can impregnant a woman and leave, she is stuck with the child. This can lead to a loss of her finances and health. Reliable birth control methods are important!
LMAO I got birth control pills advertisement watching this 😂
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Thanks for not shying away from the grim reality of history Linfamy. Infanticide has been practiced by many cultures throughout history. Like prostitution and slavery it's a reality of history.
Honestly I don't really see the problem with it. In the same way that it doesn't make much sense to consider a fetus a person (in the philosophical sense), it doesn't make much sense to consider a newborn a person either. We regularly kill and eat living things with more intelligence and introspection. There's a reason why if a mother kills her newborn, we are more concerned about her state of mind and mental health, whereas if she kills her twelve-year-old, our thoughts go immediately to the child and we are horrified by the mother's actions. Killing newborns feels wrong because they are cute and we are evolutionarily programmed not to want to do it, but from a moral standpoint, it's not so bad. It's not nearly as bad as killing an adult, anyway.
@@William1w1You got it all wrong, from an evolutionary standpoint, it is not morally wrong, from a moral stand point it is incredibly wrong, unless there is a high risk of death in having your child then it is wrong to kill your baby.
In a world created on accident by nothing, there is nothing that is objectively evil or good, only personal preference, rape is not wrong, murder of a child or an adult is not wrong, pedophilia is not wrong, sexual abuse isn’t wrong, that’s just the reality, think otherwise and your just being delusional.
Morality is subjective and cultural in an evolutionary world.
@@William1w1 Murdering a child feels wrong because you’ve ended the life of an innocent human being, it would be much better to kill and adult then to kill a child whose done nothing wrong. Children can be cute, but in my opinion babies aren’t that cute looking. It’s fine I guess to value other creatures based off of cuteness, but if your putting the price of how much a humans life matters based off of how cute they are that’s kinda disgusting.💀
@@William1w1 Okay I was re-reading your comment and I just realized you said that you think most people are more concerned for the murderer when they kill a newborn then when the murderer were to kill a more grown child, what sort of backward morals do u have? The average person would see a newborn being murdered just as wrong as a 12 year old being murdered, the more I re-read your comment the more disturbed I’m getting what the hell r your moral standards?
@@thetiredworm2100 I think you should be more concerned about your judgment, perception and grammar. You’re pointing out opinionated flaws on William’s statement, without truly understanding what they’re saying. At the same time, you’re creating a facade of a neutral stance and open-mindedness, but it’s quite obvious what your bias is. I suggest you reread and comprehend their thoughts/perspective before you force your bias.
I expected drinking some herbs, getting tied up and treated like a heavy bag, ad if all else fails drown it before it screams...
In central Europe, drowning or abandoning babies in woods full of wolves and pigs was the traditional route. There are a few stories of kids that survived and lived in the woods as feral children...
Wow
And there go the tales of goblins and orcs!
@@geradosolusyon511 yes, there are many tales of kidnapping by fairies and changelings...
Holy Shit, this world is wild!!
Do you really think a newborn could survive in the woods by itself lmao what will it do drink from the river and eat some grass and wood chips?
I always appreciate the amount of research and detail you put into your videos, alongside the level of snark!
I appreciate that you pointed out that attitudes towards abortions are usually more influenced by population and economic needs. If a country is in decline severely, it's usual for abortion laws to be stricter whereas a country with a problem of over-population, even if morally against abortion, is likely to have fewer regulations or at least, lesser punishments. Ultimately, we're animals and the urge to procreate is to continue to species, but if the species is not at risk, or our clan (i.e. family, national identity) isn't at risk... meh.
Do you have data and sources to back that claim up? Across countries, cultures, and time?
I'd say the existence of Russia pre soviet union/ bolshivek would disprove this, same with the counties that made up the eastern Roman empire/byzantine
The fact the thumbnail looked too fancy scared me. Thank goodness it's still the drawings!
Why does it scare you? lol
@@Linfamy because we love your channel as it is and humans don't like change
@@Linfamy
Idk im just so used to the normal drawing thumbnail. Its just bizarre. What a bizarre adventure.
@John joseph Corona
No its like if you had a show and suddenly the main character is from a completly different voice actor and its just like "What?"
@@Bongled IS THIS A JOJ (gets shot)
5:25 Considering children to be partially in the spirit realm makes sense if you look at it as them having one foot in the grave.
And why it was considered a lesser problem than "sending back" adults who were more tethered to the human world. Very interesting perspective to consider.
People often consider myths and folklore separate from history, but they're very much intertwined.
This is an example of how superstitious beliefs have real world effects.
@@Linfamy there is a common theory here in the paranormal community that children are some how able to see spirits and other supernatural creatures that adults couldn't kinda like dogs and cats being able to see spirits. Most people supposedly grow out of this "sense". Would you be willing to do more episodes about ancient Japanese supernatural beliefs, I liked your videos on the Kappa and Kitsune
@@Linfamy But isn't it more like a superstitious belief having real world source not other way around? Infants have very weak immune system, they often died in the first year even if you cared for them. Or if a mother was malnurished she would lost her milk so infant also died. In all (absolutely all) ancient cultures death of the baby in the first years of life didn't have the same weight as death of an adult.
@@jameskosusnik1102 As one of the people who never grew out of being able to see spirits, and other supernatural creatures, its very much a real thing :P
In Vietnam we also have a plant that was said to be used for abortion, it was called “Sauropus androgynus” (English name from Wiki, but in Vietnam we call it “rau ngót”). I actually dont know why it has such an effect on pregnancy, but I do know from real stories that women now and in the past have use this as a method for abortion. However it doesnt always work, a lot of the times the baby is alive, however they can still be very weak and fragile due to the effect of that vegetable. Of course its not like poison where you just take one dose and the deed is done, in order for it to “work” you would have to consume a huge amount of that vegetable during your whole pregnancy and *hope* that it works.
Bonus: For normal people, eating the vegetable could be very good for your health, or you can just eat it cause it is pretty good.
I’m Vietnamese and tell me why I never heard of this but it’s good to know, might use this when I older or sum
I really like your voice and how you deliver your lines hahaha I love the algorithm for recommending you
The idea of a baby's life being less than an adult one is much more common than people might think. Some think it had to do with how child mortality was way higher than nowadays, it was common that anyone have lost at least one sibling before adulthood, and to compesate people had way more children than now. You might even say is a coping mechanism at the sorrow from losing your own child, while other times is use as an excuse to do horrible acts to them, sometimes because of bad circunstances like poverty, others on purpose by pure evil motives.
It’s horrible.
@@rufiredup90 It is.
You know, it wasn't until quite recently that infants were anesthetized for surgery. It was believed that babies didn't feel pain in the same way, and if they did, they wouldn't remember it. It's still happening today because this is still believed.
@@Melissa-wx4lu That's interesting. Horrible, but interesting. However, until fairly recently no one got anesthetized during surgery... my guess is part of the reason they didn't anesthetize babies during surgery was because children reaction to anesthesia differently than adults, and there were concerns about mis-measuring before they had the ability to continuously measure blood-pressure, brainwaves, and blood oxygen levels. Surgeons don't want to operate on a screaming baby, it's both distracting and EXTREMELY disturbing.
Considering all the abortions we have even nowadays, the idea that a baby's life is less than an adult one is sadly not only common back then, but also now.
Imagine just trying to leave a decent life, then your mom be like "Nah, next time fam"
Did you hear what would happen to those who were kept by their moms? They most likely became prostitutes themselves idk I'd rather go back
idk dude I'll be making my mom and myself suffer more by staying alive so naaaaah I'd go back maybe return in a century or so
During those times & in that condition.... doesn't sound like a nice idea to even be born
I’d rather fly high
Safer and less painful to be killed sadly. Really a life of hell or an unknown peaceful eternity of no suffering?
Been a while, Lin! See you're still pounding out historical truths and fun facts! You've put out so many pounders now, you're infamous!
Keep up the wonderful works!
Started interested in the subject, stayed for the side comments. Keep it up man! You're brilliant!
I'm pro-choice (and have made the choice to not have children and have my tubes tied), but it's rather vicious to go a whole 9 months, deal with all the emotional and physical ups and downs of pregnancy, lose wages due to said pregnancy, make it through the rigors of giving birth...all to then have someone choke out the baby. Damn, Japan, you cutthroat! 😂
Hmm...would that be better, or drinking a bit of mercury?
I blame confusous for leading this
Post birth "contraception" and non attachment to a young child was not unique to Japan. Babies would ve been thrown away in Rome for example, mostly female ones hence missing daughters syndrome which...Still happens to this day. Some cultures place value on male child so usg is often used to get rid of daughters. Baby death rate was extremely high in the past compared to today too, so not developing attachment to a child was often a strategy for adults to cope with that.
@@daringcow yeah ikr it used to happen in my country in some parts .. And this is the reason why it is illegal to view the gender of the baby before birth (they would kill it if it was a girl)cause apparently female children were a burden ...And it still does in some places and families . It is an extremely gross practice . Imagine how hard it must be to be a girl in these parts .
@@Linfamy Maybe the brain so damaged afterwards, that you don't recognize, how stupid the idea was🤪
“I wont be graphic in case your eating ramen”
Me literally frozen: 👁👄👁 🍜
This is the first video I've watched in his channel and I'm already subscribed, well done m8.
Hell yeah
"this is why all yujos had a PhD in birth control methods, and a master's in swallowing." - I died 💀
It’s the system those women were in, they would knew what kind of life they could give or could not give for their child. And like what Linfamy said children were raised and trained to be entertainers, so what kind of life would those mothers give. That’s why they abort or kill the baby after birth because under their circumstances death was better at least at the time.
Yeah, but that assumes that in general parents (at least in the place and period) cared about the future quality of life of their children. Like planning and giving it some thought. I’d imagine that humans (even today) have different ways of viewing the responsibilities and desires that parenthood entails. Maybe it’s not universally“I have to help make my child’s life the best and happiest it can be”
@@yucol5661 I wouldn't blame them , if i knowingly brought in a child that had no chance of quality- of life I'd kill it too. I believing merciful euthanasia, babies with severe disabilities that would die a slow painful death sounds more cruel
@@dakotamabry1645
Same. Also pretty much any big disabilities period. Cant function, can’t stay.
@@serpentinewolf7085 don't entirely agree with that my husband was blind as a baby and he still can't see well but his vision improved with age . He can drive but learned the hard way when hes either exhausted or it's at night he shouldn't be behind the wheel . Its definitely a case by case bases .
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I still prefer the ol natural selection route. We haven’t done it in too long and it shows. At seven billion humans we can start again.
I think the trouble is in looking at this from a modern perspective.
Back in that period, there were no such things as Welfare or state-run Children's Homes, but there were such things as starvation or just lives of grinding poverty and misery in general.
A good example I can readily think of is The Children's Crusade.
Modern accounts say that Étienne of France and Nicholas of Germany, completely unaware of one another, led thousands of children from their respective countries on a mission to retake Jerusalem and peacefully convert the Muslims there to Christianity.
In the modern accounts of Étienne and Nicholas, these missions failed and yet both groups were largely met with peace and allowed to return home after making it to Pisa, in the case of Étienne, and Marseilles in the case of Nicholas.
One older account says that these groups made up of children were sold to merchants by the names of Hugh the Iron and William of Posqueres and then put on ships to Tunisia, where they were again sold into slavery.
Another older account says that the boats these kids were put on by the two merchants sank at sea and all of the kids drowned.
Basically, the sanitized modern versions of this story reflect our lives: soft, safe, sentimental and full of safety nets when it comes to things like unplanned pregnancies.
Older accounts written around the period when this would have occurred (1212 AD,) reflect those times: hard, dangerous, completely practical and without regard or care for the lives of children who just amounted to being extra mouths to feed.
It's easy to moralize from our safe, modern perspective, but people in this comments section very likely would have taken the same course of action as these H00k3rs, had they lived at that time and under the same circumstances.
Up until quite recently, life was largely unfair and quite brief.
Basically, people responded to the hard times by hardening their hearts.
Edit: I gotta say it, Linfamy, you choose some controversial topics, and I really appreciate you doing that.
Just please don't get into trouble with the pu$$1es who moderate CZcams.
While largely true, I wouldn't say it was quite that simple. There have seemingly always been people with fairly modern morals, but how common they were and how much influence they carried varied a lot. And as for life being brief, that idea is largely a product of high child mortality skewing the numbers. In most societies, aside from times of plague or famine, if you made it past childhood you stood a good chance of living a fairly long life.
@@Ryodraco I agree with both of you guys but to add on - whether or not these people had modern morals couldn’t make up for the reality they were facing. Hardening ones heart is more about adapting to survive. It’s not inherently representative of what an individual wants, rather has to do. But it can so fully encompass a person that the adapted ruthlessness is indistinguishable from the persons identity. It’s human nature to care for one another as that’s how we keep our kind alive, but when you get down to it you put yourself first. (“You” meaning anyone.) Those are just biological instincts. A person who lives in such dire situations with such a limited view of things has the impression that to be that way is necessary, and in doing so puts others in unfair situations and/or influences others world view to be just as harsh. It’s a hard cycle to get out of.
Idk if that makes sense, my point is just that I think most people inherently are good but our circumstances can make us bad, and it can seem like our coldness is who we are, rather than what we had to do which became a learned and habitual behavior.
The reason these woman were so scared of getting pregnant was because of the misogynistic abuse they would face which i heavily downplayed in this video and not even mentioned. The prostitutes' were sex slaves and even the men raping them, and even punters in the modern world hate being face with any evidence of woman being fully human and not a sex object.[ergo getting pregant] Same issue happens to day with some* men through fits when they see period products or breastfeeding but but are fine to look at porn. Even with contraception for men was invented men REFUSED to wear it because they didn't like they way it felt [many men still do,that why woman needed their own birth control. STD were spread rabbidly by men and the brothels which raped and trafficked woman were only shut down in Europe after *Men* who were the main carriers of STD got sick, and not because they were killing scores of woman..that didn't matter.
The lower you status was being a sex SLAVE in japan, the less chances you had to reject a man. The woman would be killed or thrown out and seeing as a "ruined prodcut" if they were pregnant and woman with pregnancies outside of marriage regardless of it was rape or not could be murdered at worst [In Europe stone to dealt sometimes] or kicked out and left to fend for themselves to be raped worst outside of the human trafficking zone.Its literally called the red light district for FFS. Any woman who was unforuntantly to be their would be raped and sold and the woman on the "outside" whwere a lot more vulnerable then the ones inside though the whole area was a trafficking zone. Just like with miso_gynist that pretend the comfort woman sex S_L_A_V_E_S were fucking 'paid prostitutes'" nothing about this situation for these woman was of thier free will because that the laws men made. and OFC face almost no consequence. Its not a "moral issue" you fully ignore the situation and way woman were treated in the time periode.
@@stargazing_gazer2847 I think I get where you're coming from, but aren't you conflating a lot of cultures and time periods? Not sure we can say the high class prostitutes were all simply sex slaves given how much influence and money some of them had at some points in Japanese history.
@@Ryodraco being a slave does not mean to be poor. There were and are many educated and influential slaves, i.e. in Greece. High class courtisans have made it there. But: being a slave means not to be free. No matter how popular in the district, you don't get out. Never.
I bet the “seahorse holding” method was incredibly effective!
The seahorse be like: 👁👄👁
i searched demon slayer courtesans and this popped in my recommded 3 days later
For awhile I wondered why they didn't just use the calendar method. Then I remembered my mom. Until she gave birth, her cycles were not exactly predictable. Sure it was when she was 13 to 16, but then it kind of became irregular. There were three times when she went 100 days without a period and one time it was as long as three years, then 3 more on normal monthly cycles. It got to the point when she had me and went to the doctor to ask why she wasn't feeling well the conversation was comical.
"Are you pregnant?"
"I don't know"
"Are you trying to get pregant?"
"Yes"
"when was the last time you had your period?"
"Three months ago."
"Don't you think you're pregnant?"
"No, not really"
Ok not every woman has extreme variations like this, but I'm guessing most deviate from the textbook 28 day neat cycle enough to make the calendar method imperfect.
Very similar story to mine. I didn't even suspect I was pregnant the first time until almost 4 1/2 months in because of how unstable and random my cycles are.
My case. My cycle has always been irregular.
Also, your cycle usually is highly influenced by your nutrition and health. You think somebody who was starving would have a normal cycle? I don’t really think so
Right. Mine has always been very irregular, even before getting an IUD or going on the pill. I’ve bled for two months straight and I’ve gone a year and a half without spotting. It’s never a 28 day cycle and there is no pattern whatsoever. It’d be really nice to have a regular cycle.
she never got screened for PCOS?
Unwanted newborns were often sent back by poor families during times of plague and famine. There are many stories of yokai that emerge from these practices.
Well that's has been a practice really everywhere in the world where crisis has struck, they either left the baby somewhere, drowned it, ate it or waited for it to just die on it's own. That's just how it always goes.
@@morgianasartre6709 did i just see ate it
@@fardsyadshafie3021 Famine is a scary thing.
@@fardsyadshafie3021 Unfortunately, yes. When you have 6 other children under age 10 and you’re eating soil, rats & vermin, roots, and worms & insects, cannibalism doesn’t seem so bad. One less mouth to feed, one less fragile being to take care of. Those of us who always have edible, nutritious food to eat should feel very lucky because most of our ancestors didn’t have that luxury.
2:36 LMAO that determined Naruto type sperm got me hard😂😂😂 his never giving up nature saved him from dying.....well, that sperm was the child of prophecy after all..... LITERALLY 🤣🤣.
Thank you for this video ! 😊💐
Glad you like :)
Most pregnancies were likely terminated in the second half of pregnancy because most women didn’t know they were pregnant till then. It was a lot harder to figure out if you were pregnant back then. It’s not always just like turning off a light. A period going missing for a few months when you’re a busy woman won’t be noticed. Nausea all the time? Wont give it any mind. Putting on weight? That’s strange. Eventually you see it all together but in a time when there wasn’t a lot of understanding about how pregnancy even worked it was hard to be someone who could grow a whole person inside of you.
When you're so early that the view count is only in the double digits: I am speed
Nice job 👍
Very interesting channel and funny too. Thank you
"If you get pregnant, you won't again for almost a year."
You're not wrong.
Dude I got an advertisement for pampers while watching this video lmao
But yeah, great content, I really like learning about the old eras and mythologies of Japan
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I wish I could like this but you're at 69 likes
Damn, man! I got an advertisement about Money Rush, right at 7:43
Glad you're going into some darker shit without glazing it over lmao. Reminds me of a twitter poem I saw a few weeks ago about recognizing the archaeological remains of a brothel and went something like
"A pit of baby's bones
A pit of newborn baby's bones
Is how you recognize a brothel"
It's literally no coincidence that this got recommended to me as soon as Demon Slayer season 2 ended, especially with that Daki and Gyutaro backstory
So daki also killed several children 😳
@@Iamnotracistlmao demons can't have kids
@@ella2470 oooppsss i forgor 💀
@@ella2470 I'm about to change that
@@oleanderkazzy_ 😳
0:46 that one guy with pragnant fetish: "jokes on you, I'm into that sh*t!"
Bro they Japanese draw babies like a grown man
Speak the truth
Yes qween
So funny 😂😃
lol true
They are honestly less horrific than the European medieval depictions - those paintings of baby Jesus are nightmare inducing 😬
These kids after being born: *Current objective: Survive*
Trying not to laugh at your video is the hardest 🤣. Edit: SUBSCRIBED !!! 👍✨
"naruto like tadpole who never gave up" that was hilarious 😂
“And a masters in swallowing...........water.”
Lol I’m dead🤣
Courtesan lessons with Linfamy, my favorite educational series
0:12 "Getting pregnant was a pretty rude thing to do."
Ara Ara, my apologies, I should have been more mindful and found a condom or a contraceptive that didn't exist until like 154 - 400 years later. My bad~!
I hope you learned your lesson
@@Linfamy I sure did...!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Sorry Jimbo, gonna have to send you back to the shadow realm."
-some Japanese woman
Me: not thinking about mercury
Linfamy: "MERCURY, THERE WAS ALSO MERCURY"
Me: stuck in a mental wormhole where I can't stop thinking about mercury and which bodily orifice it's going to go up next
oh jeez sorry :p
This video reminds me of the youkai named ubume, which are mostly spirits of women who have died in childbirth or from complications related to that. Ubume were thought to try to steal other women's children and rear them as her own, or if the ubume was a woman who died after giving birth to a surviving baby, she would carry the baby around. If you haven't already, please make a video on them.
I've just started reading "The Summer of Ubume" by Kyougoku Natsuhiko, and the part I am at now (near the beginning), they're discussing about a woman who has apparently been pregnant for 20 months straight, and it doesn't seem to be a phantom pregnancy like with Mary I. I love it so far
4:04 are yall trying to tell me that this 53 year old insurance broker is a baby
4:10 damn that baby looks more like a 50 year old man, but small
😂
i dont know if someone said that, but geisha arent prostitutes, geisha are artist who sing, dance, make tea... entretain but nNOT the sexual way
@4:05 lady on right: Hi, I'm here to adopt the baby
Lady on left: Ah, sorry, we don't have a baby, we have this small middle aged man.
Lady on right: Hmm, that isn't really what I am looking for.
Lady on left: He's got some good dance moves...
Lady of right: Oh, OK, go on then.
😂
Thank you so much for the introductory joke!
Very informative and entertaining! I'm gonna subscribe
Hell yeah :)
Yes! Thank you for lifting my spirits after such a shite week!
What a babe you are!
Hope next week is better for you =)
ho.. how did this lift your spirit, please i am curious
yeah man, infanticide is the real picker-upper
@@jessthemess7248 Because he posted. I look forward to his educational stories and it helped me to end my really shite day on a good note.
@@jessthemess7248 Isn't it though? Lmao. Just his upload was.
Jeeeeeeeezus Christ...
Antiquity was depressing.
😬
Just like today
You can say that again
Like life today
You should check out the time period known as Present Day.
Fun fact: You most definitely consume products made by slave labor (there may or may not be child slaves involved).
I think I’ve watched too much entertainment district arc videos to get recommended this