🥵 Mercedes' verdict on 'BURNED' Mick Schumacher
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2023
- Mick Schumacher is on the F1 sidelines in 2023, but he's working hard for Mercedes and earning praise from the team. So is there a route back onto the grid for next year?
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I think it's safe to say that he was allways a late bloomer, winning all the lower classes on the second try. I'm convinced that he will thrive if any team gives him a job. Even his performance in the second Haas year jumped from terrible in the first half to quiet decent in the second. There is probably more potential.
Definitely more potential
Thrive seems like a big word for Mick. There's more talent to be found in plenty of places
Mick was fine, but he also doesn’t feel like a huge loss to the grid. I’m sure he’s a good reserve for Merc
bruh he wasn't fine, he literally destroyed multiple cars and had the highest crash damage repair costs of ALL drivers TWO YEARS IN A ROW
Name one memorable thing
@@franlopez7742him fighting lewis and max in a fuckin haas
I would say he was serviceable. Getting smashed by K-Mag wasn't reassuring, tho getting thrown into a bad team probably was harmful for his development. So it goes.
@@MK-rw1onWhen the hell did that happen?
He should have never went to Haas. Alfa would have been a much better environment. I'd be keen to see him replace Logan Sergeant and see how well he does against Alex Albon at Williams.
It doesn't go well for him against albon, he's out performing that Williams something Schumacher never looked close to doing in his 2 year at Haas
his performance was known to the grid as soon as Magnussen returned and was light years ahead. then hulk came back and showed the car had even more performance. realitistically, everybody realized mick was barely better than mazepin once we got some real comparisons.
@@RoeShamBoeA Schumacher Mick might be but Verstappen He isn't nor does He have His father's speed just as Jos was not fast enough or consistent enough up against MSC n elsewhere!!.
Mick has the least experience compared to both of those drivers, haas isn't a team for rookies, they don't have the experience to guide rookies
@@keonxd8918 doesn't mean he's good enough to drive a better car, if he can't handle the Haas he's no business driving in f1
I have always thought he is a good driver. If not future world champ then atleast solid mid field driver. But the Haas environment was too toxic for him to develop. He deserves another seat in F1.
mybye not as good as his dad but as good as his unckle Ralf
Haas toxic ? Gunther is just a dickhead and has no clue on how to help develop a driver ! Haas needs to replace Gunther Steiner with a team leader that can develop its driver and its cars better. Gene adding some more dollars to the team would help as well !!!
Why would a team want Mick, who had a chance and spent his 2 years crashing and being slow, when they could get upcoming talents like Iwasa, Bearman, Lawson ? Makes no sense.
@@f0olin nearly every driver who ever drove for haas failed. Is that really just a skill issue?
He didn’t exit because it was toxic, he was let go because he kept crashing the Haas car.
Personally I think Williams is a great spot. They revived Albons career and would be a good test for Mick
It's funny how some absolutely want to give him a chance while others like Vandoorne were thrown in the trash in the greatest of silences... And Vandoorne didn't fold his cars one race out of two.
I actually think he is ok, but Mercedes also have Frederik Vesti from F2 doing VERY good atm. So is he the first choice when Lewis desides he is old?
Depends if he can up the results and stability a lot in a good car and team. A winning Schumacher Jr is still big pr stunt for a German team and Toto can laugh at Ferrari and Steiner. Also I don't see a F2 rookie straight up promoted into a Merc without a Williams year or two. Would need Piastri tier talent, which I don't see on Vesti to be honest. I think it would have been better if Mick did some other minor-ish racing series ontop to the testing piloting like Albon did in 2021.
Honestly, until there are more teams in F1, race seats are at a premium and I don't like the trend of hiring guys after they're been out instead of giving someone from F2 a chance. I mean for God sake, Zhou was good but not a champion in F2 and has been a really solid driver. Nobody should be talking about Mick over people like Vesti or Bearman or Drugovich. I wanna see them get their chance before people get their second.
Yeah, that's what I'm keep saying
Solid driver my ass. Consistently run of the mill maybe. Praise mediocrity, but piss on people actually trying to prove themselves I guess.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him join Audi in 2026 when they replace Alfa Romeo
His chances will increase year over year at Sauber. Afterall he's a germany driver, and I am sure AUDI would like that, especially since Saube is based to all that far away in Switzerland.
mick was also born and grew up in switzerland pretty sure he still lives there as well
But sauber have theo pourchaire
@@Tanpan925 and Mick is better than him because he is F3 and F2 champion.
@@JR_28 that counts for little once you reach F1, you need to deliver, and Mick didn't really impress.
@@paulgerken-ie3xp Mick also was in the worst machinery, for 1 year with an inept second driver and he showed in the past that he needs 2-3 season to adjust to a new series.
I would have LOVED to have seen his father tear Haas a new one over the way they treated him. Even if he wasn't a Schumacher, the way Haas very publically criticised him was completely out of order. I hope he gets a chance to do well at Mercedes, they'll definitely look after him and build his confidence up.
Steiner is an awful boss, sure, but Mick is slow as fuck. He got regularly destroyed by Magnussen whos getting even more destroyed by Hulk, which just shows you how bad he was. And all the crashes didnt help either.
@@f0olin atleast kmag does not bin it to the barrier every other race
I would disagree, Mick showed some decent pace, it's his consistency that is the problem, the pressure from Haas and his crashes would likely be leading factors in this. I think in the right team he would do well but I think he'll have to be lucky to get a seat with the amount of F2 drivers currently waiting@@f0olin
The simulator is cheaper to just reset after crash
Yeah, how dare Haas criticize a driver for wasting millions in crashes.
Indeed, they needed to be a supportive mom, that would have made him a better driver, ready to move on to a better team. The entitlement is real - him doing donuts in the his last minutes in the Haas shows that aspect as well.
@@alpenjon he also stopped doing the donuts as soon as his race engineer asked him to stop because they needed the gearbox.
if he's so great, put him in the car. get rid of lewis or russell and PUT HIM IN THE CAR otherwise he's just getting burned again by Merc.
He should pull an Albon and do GT to keep himself sharp
His chances at returning depend on two things that arguably are out of his control. For one there's very little in the way of places he can go to by 2024. None of the teams who have drivers whose contracts end this year showed any indication they want to part ways with said driver. So that indicates 2025, but then that also brings itself the second issue regarding maintaining his relevance as junior drivers continue pouring from F2. His stint at Haas does not do him any favors with that second point.
Are we talking about the same Mick Schumacher that we saw racing for two years? I'm surprised he even has a reserve driver role!
The name generates publicity is the full explanation.
Two years in a haas as a rookie was a hard lesson 😢
Hope Mick gets a drive for 2025! Would love to see it
Yeah not sure he deserves a seat in F1. He wrecked a lot of cars and that’s not a Haas performance problem, that’s a driver problem.
I believe that he would be at Williams in 2024
Instead of whom
@@Gring98 Sargeant
Not because of his performances but because of the change of managment
@@ForzaPolska06 Also, let's face it, Sargeant is there because of the American hype which seems to have stabilized now. He'd spend a season more in F2 under more normal circumstances. No much reason to keep him if he isn't making the numbers go up (which he can't do in a williams anyway). May as well take $$$ from Mercedes.
@@Willbrse Sargeant brings a fair amount of money, and Dorilton is a US company that owns the team
Too many good drivers for him to get that seat
Why is the speech sped up so much
He wasn’t a stand out … if he was Mick Jones he would have been dropped and never heard of again …
you mean him actually fighting max and lewis?
he drove well though, but only thing people remember is his crashes lmao
He outpaced Kmag from Canada onwards, he just wasn’t on it at the start of the season when the car was good.
@@SladesShitboxGarage he got dropped because he cost the team 5 mill in crashes
@@MK-rw1on when did he fight Max …. Lol 😂 give your head a shake
Lets be honest if his last name wasn't Schumacher he wouldn't even be in the discussion for a drive. He never did anything impressive and being good in the "simulator" doesn't really mean anything.
Despite hating Mercedes outside of the German duo in 2010-2012 and 2016, i could give them a blank slate for giving Mick a second chance. I could respect russels patience waiting for the number 1 seat and I think Mick would be happy and grateful to play the Bottas role.
I always believe he can stand on that podium with Michaels old team and what a moment that would be 😢 especially if Alonso hadnt gone by the time that happens. Him kimi and seb would have felt that with him
Maybe Williams but I don't think he's better than current Alpha Romeo drivers
If he's as good as Toto claimed, Toto will take him under his wings and will not let him go elsewhere.
He's very unlikely to get a seat at Mercedes, that's why Wolff is talking him up to try and get a seat elsewhere.
@@paulgerken-ie3xp That means he's not as good as toto claimed him to be.
@ssifr3331 He's going to praise him, he won't say anything else.
@@ssifr3331 lol, you think he should be better than Lewis? cause that is what it will take to get Lewis's seat if Lewis does not retire.
guys ... wolff taking him under okay ?
he needs field experience not a simulation experience that is why wolff is talking to other teams ... for example he goes to Williams and drive learn good field experience and lewis or george goes out he will drive for merc
So Toto must be trying to get rid of him
Toto has two seats if Mick is so great
A more appropriate title: “Mercedes’ verdict on average Mick Schumacher”
Audi and Mick would be a great fit for 2026, German driver, good marketing for Audi
As hopes as his experience now in WEC with Alpine is another type of his career if Toto interest on him
It is pretty clear that Mick is not his father, and no amount of wishing it were otherwise will make it so.
Michael required no charity, no second chances. Nobody ever said of Michael that he was only "doing a good job".
Nasty thing to say. I lived next door to your mum. I saw many different men visiting when hubby was at work.... see how that works 🤡
If you meant to say that Michael is not Mick's father... Well, one thing that is certain is that Mick looks exactly like the other Schumachers. He could be Ralf's son, but that seems unlikely.
Mick did not inherit the exceptional driving talent of his father (not saying he has no talent at all), but he did inherit the skull of his father.
@@ronald3836 "If you meant to say that Michael is not Mick's father"
No! it's a turn of phrase. I wasn't casting aspersions on his ancestry!
I just meant that Mick wasn't nearly as good as his father was.
@@tonyb9735 Lol, you are right. I totally misunderstood your comment 🤣.
Mick Schumacher is not his father, just like Jos Verstappen is not his son!
They said that about Nyck DeVries...
Toto says the most random shit when he speaks english.
This is so not fair!
No, people won’t be looking at him in 2024. They sure as hell didn’t want him in 2023. Yeah, he might’ve raced for two years, but he’s a liability. How many times did he crash in 2022? No team wants a driver that crashes more often than he gets points
Please, for the love of god allow Mick to be his own person. He can drive however there are lots of other drivers in the same boat. So maybe, he needs to experience rejection and failure in order to find HIS magic.
Funnily enough, he has a lot in common with Damon Hill. The universe is truly wonderful.
Wouldn't mind seeing Mick compete against Albon in a Williams
He's a great name for marketing, F1 is a a business not a sport after all, but he hasn't shown his father's talent. He could develop with the right team and car to prove himself, but then so could most of the grid.
Someone finally talking some sense. He's decent but no better, his fans are mainly fans of his father and if surname wasn't Schumacher many would say he had his chance and didn't take it, like many drivers in the past. He might get a seat at a lesser team, but not Mercedes, Wolff is just talking him up to help get him a drive elsewhere.
If he had any other last name nobody would be talkin about him returning to the grid
He’s not getting a seat anytime soon.
Next year already signed
@@L4ftyOne with whom
Mick to Aston if Lance shifts into more of a Management role within the team. (A man can hope can't he)
“With Hamilton set to sign a new deal” 👀
Williams is a Merc engine costumer, and Logan Sargent isn't impressing there at all, so Toto should push for him get that seat!
I think Alfa would rather go with Pourchaire if they ever want a new pilot. For now there's definitely more room for him at Williams if they get rid or Sargeant OR if Albon gets a proposition for a better team (which is very likely since he's doing a fantastic season).
I would see him go with Williams to gather experience and then promote to Mercedes when either Lewis or George leave.
I could definetly see him going to williams and getting good results there, and end up going back to mercedes when Lewis retires and becoming a legend there.
And you dream about flying elephants, too, don’t you ??
@@sking2173 woah buddy, chill out
Yeah, somehow I don't see Sauber dropping both of their drivers for next year. Maybe one or the other, but not both. So I'd be curious to see him at Williams next to Albon!
Ryan Reynolds will get mick for alpine because of his name
Rather see Daniel back on the grid
you got your wish
The Pressure his Last Name gives him always held him back a little he is someone who will work hard but only if he loses first he never won anything on the first try
He should of never started at haas and I blame Ferrari for selling him out like that. Alfa should of been his starting point.
Wow.. Blame Ferrari.. Yeah..
It's a shame, but Mick only has the name. He ain't no Michael.
He is imo there on his name if his name was Smith and he had performed as he did at haas he would no longer be mentioned let alone sat in a merc reserve seat
Sargeant is likely be ditched by Williams..That team doesn't need pay drivers as Merc and Toto backed that team now.
Mick is much better at Williams next year
Alpha Tauri is going backwards so he doesn't need to be there.
Sargeant brings a fair amount of money. I do not see that happening. Sauber possibly but likely he may not make it back on the grid. Once he had any competition( MAgnussen) he got smoked
@@tomstevens7452tbh.... he didnt realy get smoked. If you look at the race stats, mick has finished 13 times higher than magnussen while magnussen only finished 8 times higher than mick.... that isnt realy smoking tbh
Sargeant isn’t a pay driver…
Sargent brings almost no sponsorship so you’re speaking out your ass on this one, he’s also had less track time because of mechanics failures in practice taking away a couple of extremely valuable sessions as a rookie. He’s doing no worse than Mick did his rookie year but mick had mazepin to make him look good
Williams might still prefer American driver in there, not necessarily about money.
It wasn't a matter of Mick succumbing to the pressure of being publicly criticized for crashing too much. The problem at Haas was that he was publicly criticized constantly by Steiner for crashing; and Haas had no drive development knowledge whatsoever, with which to fall back on and help Mick learn why the crash happened, so as to avoid repetition. Haas is a recipe for causing ANY rookie to crash repeatedly, because they don't know what to do with rookie drivers. The FIA and F1 should implement rules preventing teams from signing rookies, just because they're cheap, unless they can clearly demonstrate a driver development program.
If Schumacher thrives would be amazing to be next to Russell. But another start has burn and PIA is an amazing future Mercedes driver as well!
Yeah, somtimes he was criticized unnecessarily, he was progressing during 2022 and he definetely deserved an f1 seat in 2023 but Hulkenberg deserves it more
Mercedes...
Mick Schumacher Michael Schumacher
Micks dad is Michael Schumacher
Schumacher is a best driver but
He had a accident in dubai
In skiing he got hit by a ruck
Schumacher got a brain injury
But 2013 he got Mercedes
But now her son mick got Mercedes!
He couldn’t handle Nikita… ffs just keep him as a simulator guy
When your team principal gives 17 interviews about you after you have left just to downgrade you know maybe you weren't the issue. And the fact Kmag openly talks about Mick not getting the fair treatment is more proof. I am not saying he is a Lewis or Max but he isn't bad. I mean being 0.190s slower than Kmag isn't good but let's not forget how many times Haas F up strategy, remember Suzuka he would have finished P6 ( even Latifi could hold on to P9) but greed got Haas and they didn't box him, for 6 laps straight he was saying bos now and they kept saying no.
He would not have finished P6 in Suzuka he was behind a lot of other drivers when people started making calls for different tyres. He was behind Tsunoda who ended up outside the points after the first round of stops while still being on a more optimal strategy than Mick. You’re supposing Haas should have called it bang perfect on a weekend where Vettel was the one making the call inside the cockpit to vault himself up the order. Lots of teams got the call wrong by a lap or two and suffered for it. Drivers made the difference in that moment and Haas chose to split their strategy to try and cover the options. Had Haas called it right Mick would have still been outside the points with Tsunoda, anything more than that he would have had to be the one to make the call and he simply lacked experience and credit in the bank to make such a call.
feel like Williams would rather promote one of their juniors
I feel like when mick is crashing in haas is only because he don't know the car limit, maybe with better car he can do a better driving
Edit : it's just my opinion
Idk why and how people consider him a good driver?? Dude wrecked his car left and right
If he had a different father, people would have forgotten about him. That's the genetics lottery because your dad is good, doesn't mean their offspring will be.
As for Emporer Toto speaking up, he's being kind to his compatriot.
Toto is Austrian and Mick is German. Not really compatriots.
But I agree to your first point. If Mick had a different surname nobody would care.
@solmira1204 because Wolff speaks German, I thought he was German. Thanks for that snippet of information 🙂.
@@mrw1783kinda like the UK & US. German, but at the end of the day there are differences :)
Bruno Senna be like: «Lol what?»
@birtalanlorant5572 it was a poor assumption by myself. I saw Gunther say to Toto on DTS, "If you want to speak German, come and talk to me."
He should just race in Indy, Formula E, NASCAR, or LeMans. He got no chance in F1
In the right car, right team, and the right time, I can definitely see Mick getting at least 1 title
This guy crash more than Mazepin & Nyck de Vries combine.. The only reason he's still in F1 is because of his dad..
He should go to Williams Mercedes. Vowles will continue to look after him, and could be in a spot for a Mercedes seat in 2026 or so if he did a job there.
Maybe a shot at Williams or Alpha.
Nick de Vries could be dropped if he continues the poor form. Maybe Bottas retires. But more probable that in 2025 Mick could return to the grid.
When i moved to the US, i was using “F1 pilots” in my chats and was corrected because pilots fly plains while drivers, well they drive cars. The guy in this video spoke of F1 pilots… from the accent i suspect it’s a British english thing then? Any Brit can confirm?
Magnussen exposed Mick. Even if Haas was a toxic environment, he still lost to KMag, which is an average driver.
I would say even Bruno Senna did better than Mick.
Lando is looking to move to Ferrari, (not sure which - or both- drivers there are at risk) and Mick’s tested with McLaren. Is he fighting for a seat there next year against INDYCAR Champion and current points lead Palou?
Oh poor Mick! He was criticized for constantly crashing his F1 cars, causing millions of dollars worth of damage, and scoring less points than Everton did against Manchester City.
Dude he crashed 3 times in 22 weekends. That's less than 1 in 7. That's not what one would call "constantly".
@@JM-vl3cy still not much better than Mazepin
i would love to see Mick Schumascher as teammate of Alonso at Aston Martin team, but sadly you can't move Stroll because of money
not even money, just dad gatekeeping that seat
Mick does not deserve a top 3 team. Maybe not even a top 10 team lol
@@diggernicksexactly the whole romanticism because of name these boys can't see he's average at best...Alonso would make him look silly
Lance > Mick. It's called reality.
@@padoosh28 He's above Average for sure, he didnt made a great work at Haas but Mick didnt started to race yesterday guys, he has been a good driver for years already, not everything is Name Related.
He needs more time kn the bench to learn like some other comment said mick is a late bloomer for sure no doubt he has the talent to drive he just needs to wise up and study the sport more before taking a seat with another team. Reserve driver for merc is the perfect place for him a top tier team who will help him grow and learn the ins and outs of not just an f1 car but f1 as a sport in its entirety. I think with alil more time in the sim some training and a few drives in the car i think hell be ready to rip that rubber up again I personally would love to see him shine and maybe even break some f1 records closely following his fathers footsteps ofcourse with that in mind no other driver had as much pressure as mick did all eyes were watching him to see what the son of the legend himself could do and that pressure is very much there and constantly on the back of his mind and that can really mess with a young mans mind.
Wish all the best to mick
Williams with Albon would be good
After the level of hate and blame Haas got for giving him a chance and paying for his crashes, teams will be reluctant to sign him up. Especially as Hulkenberg was arguably the best replacement this season, and nobody except the Schuhmachers and his fanboys as well as Toto and says Haas is toxic or non-supportive.
The US push caused Logan Sargeant to take the place of a developing driver with actual potential to be without a team
Yeah, he's just saying that because of his last name and the money it brings. I wish F1 as a whole would stop putting on such a ridiculous front
he had the deck stacked against him at hass , drive faster in our shitbox but if you crash one more time your done. Cant push to yours or its limit if in the back of you mind is im done if i crash. I like stiener but not the right way to build up rookies
you just described literally every team on the grid
Of course, he’s doing a great job he’s not on the track so we can’t be crashing into anybody and isn’t costing anybody millions of dollars. He’s an excellen reserve driver if he doesn’t get on the track again
How did they choose mazepin over Schumacher
He has the best chance at Mercedes. Toto knows the people up there will be very happy with a Schumacher
Odd when he is such a supposed talent, that other teams aren't trying to snap him up.Almost as if the other teams don't rate him ...
They don't rate him, that's the brutal truth. He's decent but no better.
« With not criticising too much publicly for crashing »… LOOOOL
Take it like a man Schumibear 😂
He should then learn from Grosjean who at least was tougher in upholding.. (despite stratospheric issues and crashes)..
Yes please!
He wasn’t burned, he was poor.
Why the rush to leave?
i think Audi would also like to have him and build with him arround
The simulator is the closest any team boss in their right mind would let him be
He needs to replace Logan Sargent tbh.
Does he with Daniel out there as a reserve also
Get him a Williams seat and get rid of Sargent.
Mercedes hopefully can teach mick how to drive an f1 car without destroying it and how to win races.
He better not kill or injure any rivals for a seat to be available. F1 is starting to look like racing is a fixed game on purpose. 💰
Can we give an available seat to a driver who deserves it regardless his surname please?
He is a very solid driver, but he lacks consistency and often makes significant mistakes, which might not be as visible on simulator.
I doubt the vegan Hamilton is going to get 'fish poisoning', lol. Weird comment from Wolff.
Haha, I didn't notice that xD Jupp, unlike Hamilton drinks dirty water somewhere food poisoning is rather unlikely ;)
Shoomacah😅
Crashing too much was such a BS line given in this DTS era. Here's hoping Mick gets another chance soon!
So did max crash a lot and yuki but they had more chances