OrangeStorm GIGA First Look! Elegoo at Formnext 2023
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- The @ElegooOfficial OrangeStorm GIGA is a MASSIVE new 3d printer, and I got to see it IN PERSON at @Formnext in Frankfurt, Germany!
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Why don't manufactures just say, "We like kickstarter because of the financial benefits. While it makes the release take a bit longer, the customers are basically giving us a interest free loan." I'm for it as long as the price reflects it.
the interest they pay is giving their customers the product
@@ArtichokeAnarchy that's not interest, that's what the customer gave them, they are just giving it back, interest would imply the product is worth more than what they give the customer, which isn't
@@99897767 $1600 seems like pennies compared to what this machine should cost, imo.
I’m all for crowdfunding. Essentially just cutting out the middleman which would be a bank. Direct to consumer, less complicated, easier on everyone involved honestly.
well.. i agree with being open... they can just say, it was a risky project and KS give us the benefit of knowing how welcomed a project can be.
The interest part is basically still there since KS takes a cut of the revenue.
Joel, you're a great ambassador for 3d printing and a fantastic interviewer. Keep up the great work! High Five!
Joel is the best. Meeting him at Rapid was the highlight of Rapid. Hope to see him again next year
I love Elegoo as a company, they are very professional. The support team is awesome. I bought my first printer from them, the Neptune 3 pro and I have zero regret. Keep on going Elegoo, love you guys!
Hello Joel, nice video as always! Thank you for coming to the ELEGOO booth! It's our pleasure to see you! ❤
Thank you for having me!
@@3DPrintingNerd my order is in and I was happy to see that the project funded. I wonder if we can add print heads later on. I did not pre-order one but would love to have the 4 head system.
Joel, you rock this scene so much. World Wide Entertainer 👍
It was really nice to see you again, Joel! Happy to make a small appearance at the start of the video in the background 😊
Thanks for the great video. This printer is creazy! Wish i had one too! Keep the good work!
I have the Saturn 8k, and just have to say, its a fantastic machine !
awesomw, thanks Joel
Interesting that they use four Neptune Max build plates butt together? But what happens in the center of this build plate with the gap that's formed by the rounded corners of the "smaller" build plates?
Slightly imperfect first layer if it crosses those spots, but won't make a big difference to the overall print.
I got one on kickstarter, can't wait to get this, got a few ideas for furniture ;)
I would definitely have room for this in my garage =)
Love this ❤
Joel, one obvious question you didn't ask which I thought you would is: do they have a system for automatically swapping out filament rolls? Do they have something like Bambu which when one runs out another one automatically feeds in?
Didn’t asked because they don’t. It’s a single input. So, a filament runout sensor would trip and user intervention required.
You would probably want a 5kg spool for this monster, so running out would not be as much of an issue
Such a large build volume! But...umm...look at that extruder! That's just 1.75mm standard filament and a 0.6mm nozzle? Printing anything on that thing to take advantage of the volume would take how long exactly? I mean, it would be like on the order of how many weeks instead of hours, right? And they're using belts? No stretchy? Sorry, I can't see this being useful - help me understand. And obviously just for PLA only because anything else will warp without an enclosure? And finally, Kickstarter? Is Elegoo a start-up? I thought they've been around a while?
This is the critical downside. Printing even a thin hollow box with no top spanning the print area would take days, perhaps a week. This screams for a far larger nozzle and a second print head, and as you point out, larger filament.
@@Trevellianit has options for 4 print heads and larger nozzles
If I recall correctly, the optional additional print heads can only be used to print duplicates of a model. 4 small models at once, not one large model. But if doing that, using 4 printers instead would, in most cases, be more economical and reliable.
And while larger nozzles are nice, a printer this massive needs larger filament. This printer uses 1.75mm filament, it should use 2.85mm filament and larger nozzles. @@vispev3123
Love the innovation
I hope this inspires Bamboo Labs to come out with a bigger printer.
I hope this inspires Bambu Lab to stop trying to kill the open source approach that 3D printing thrives in
Crazy big printer. Not sure I have a use case for such a beast.
You don't need one Jerry. 😄
its amazing 3d print 😍😍😍
Seems like I can’t assemble it alone this summer 😂😅😅
I really appreciate you covering the OrangeStorm Giga, Joel! Excited to see what this can do with some of the bigger nozzles on the way!
You bet!
Probably the same thing you'd usually expect bigger nozzles to do.
Love how theyve used four beds, How'd you configure Marlin for that ? Im building a long bedslinger and two linked beds saves me buying a one off.
Idk what they’re thinking with this printer, to me it’s like painting a car with an airbrush pen.
Huh? The point is to print really large objects... Like they said, you could literally print furniture. You could print an entire wheel and tire for a vehicle. There are endless possibilities.
@@802Garage and almost all of those possibilities are better realized with multiple smaller form-factor machines printing simultaneously.
You follow a lot of car channels. That’s how the street banditos made the molds for the carbon 240EV
@@mmavcanuck Except for when you want to print a single large object. I'm not saying it's the best solution for every situation, but it's certainly a solution. As long as the printer can also print small objects accurately, I'd rather have one large printer than four small printers if I print a lot of extra large items. I understand bonding can create objects just as strong as printing a single piece, but there are benefits and downsides either way. All depends on execution. I have a friend who just put a 3D printed bumper on his truck and I believe they made it in one piece on a large industrial printer. I'd still rather make it at home in 2-3 pieces if possible rather than 5-10. Know what I mean? I hear you though.
@@mmavcanuck Also in the example of printing a wheel and/or tire, I would definitely rather print it as one piece. Proper printing did an awesome series on making a 3D printed wheel you can actually use on a car, but was pretty limited due to size constraints and all.
@@802Garageyeah, large prints where you want the structural rigidity/strength to be the same all the way around would definitely be a use case for a large format printer.
Could one put side panels on this to add a heated enclosure to it for nylon printing? Or are there electronics or other parts that would suffer? I wonder how feasible this sort of mod would be.
I'm glad I have until at least May to figure out where exactly I'm putting mine. I'm running a dedicated line to it as well.
Yeah I'm on the 2nd early bird. It's larger than a washing machine lol. Once it's built it probably won't fit though doors.
it was so nice meeting Kevin! such a great dude
At 8:04 you can see the rigidity of the printer frame.
Hey Joel! 👋
Hope you enjoyed the show and thanks for the content! 👍
Customer "Hey, how long will it take to print that Super Huge Part for me?" 🦗🦗🦗🦗😁
If the speed they were running in the video is normal, it will take a LONG TIME to print a full volume part!
Days? 😕
Weeks? 😱🤯🤬
Scaling up FDM machines is not easy and it better have some Amazing print anomaly detection and correction if you expect to consistently get a Completed Large Part off this thing!🤞🙏
Mike in San Diego. 🌞🎸🚀🖖
Love the size!!!...be great if it prints as fast as the new FLSUN T1 ...it'd rock....like 1200mm/sec !!!
Hell yeah open source!
I really wanted that thin. I just dropped out after receiving the Comgrow T500, which is only half the weight and size and still barely workable.
Ahaaa.. ahaaa.
Take my money!!
Would love the Saturn 4 to be somewhat size and half or double sized I'm finding I'm needing more build areas for diorama bases and larger scale models of vehicles etc
Curious to see how well the 4 independent beds will hold up to possible warping of parts while abs printing
I don't think you are supposed to print ABS on this monster 😅
@@fdavpach if you're spending $3,000+ on a printer id hope to use it for more than just pla but thats just me 🤷
@@glhdesigns2723 spend extra on an enclosure and a chamber heater if not stay on open air suitable materials
The problems I have with this printer are a few:
1) the size. I mean its massive, most people won't have 'room for it' - this isn't a con against it - directly, but for its massive scale - we need to make sure we hit all the needs of people.
2) no enclosure planned? not even thermal blanket curtains? This.. makes it essentially a PLA only machine... and PLA isn't the best plastic for 'all needs" even big PLA might have issues if you have a lot of 'motion' around the printer (air flow, pets, etc) causing lots of problems.
3) the size/use demands a LOT of plastic.. so filament on spools.. is kinda... iffy. If your using the 5KG big spools, sure maybe, but this probably would have been better off as a pellet based printer.
4) it's not a fast printer, this isn't directly a con, but when your scaling massive and not fast to begin with - this means there will no doubt be 48+hour print -failures - that are massive losses of plastic. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of detection/prevention of this either.
Ok, so I'm sending my kids to their granma's 😆. I need their room now.
Not necessarily for selling products, but prototyping for some of us.
Amazing size, but the print times are going to be stupid long. And imagine a print failing after a week of printing.
Yessss, now I can print my Ironman suit in just 1 30 day print!
uhu 😆
Too cold in the garage... Mine is going in the living room next to my 100w laser 😄
😏I'm already sizing up where I'm going to put one.
rarely I need to print something that doesnt fit on my MK3S, but I would love to have the option.
i buy this one :) greets from germany.
It will be interesting to see how many personal print studios this machine ends up in. I cant imagine many people buy this unless it is for business. In either way, we have a similar machine at work now, but this one is light years better in every way. The printer at work is still an 8 bit machine.
Mine will be here June, 4 heads.. can't wait. Creatlity will COPY WHOLEHEARTEDLY in 3.. 2.. 1...
Side note, I would like to see "social media personalities" actually pay for units like this as all of us who are the customer base must if we want them.
So will the box fit down my stairs to my basement? Or will I have to disassemble the printer to get it there? Will it even fit thorough the front door?
They produce only on demand 😉 that's why almost all of them like Kickstarter 😁
Aha...... yes.......aha......aha.......aha.......if it sells okay if not.....we don't care......aha..... what?
I hope they make a way to enclose that for ABS
Is that the belt fraying @ 2:37
Joel...how many weeks would the print time be for a model that fills the build volume...? I honestly can't see how it would be viable...imagine getting 3 weeks into a print and having a print issue...
I want one and I live in a RV and thinking about taking out a sofa 😂
Imagine the kinda speaker boxes you could print with that! Anybody?
The chassis appears rather lightweight for such a large printer.
Using 4 screws with 4 linear rods to secure the gantry isn't a bad approach, but in my opinion, if these rods are 16mm or larger, there might be some movement around 400mm on the Z-axis. It would be more practical to incorporate 4 linear rails attached to the chassis for stability.
Even if the printer operates at a high speed, catering to such a size is a very niche market.
In most scenarios, running a few 400mm or 500mm printers simultaneously offers greater throughput and versatility compared to a large one like this. Notably, with larger prints, the risk of costly failures increases, and the printing time extends significantly, ranging in the order of days or even weeks.
The Elegoo Neptune 4 Max has these wobble problems in the higher regions of Z, but the Orange Storm does come with four linear rods, supported by four spindles controlled by two steppermotors which also compensate the auto levelling in Z.
The gantry looked pretty rigid, as nothing else’s that the printhead is moving, it was all very stable, of course there will be some wobble.
You need to sell something that big still at 1500$;-)
Orange Storm 2024
I only saw pics where 4 of the same objects were being printed. Can you print a different model on each plate simultaneously?
No you cannot. Up to 4 heads is duplication mode
@@3DPrintingNerd Thanks!
You could print a massive Honkdra/Goose Hydra on this thing. ;)
Not sure how I feel about it having four separate build plates right up next to eachother. Looks like there's a seam between them too, which will probably show up in the first layers of prints.
There will definitively be a seam mark, same with any build plate with scratches or marks but its on the bottom so who's really looking? It was also probably too expensive to source this size for its non-standard size.
Oh for sure it will, but at the same time have you ever handled a 1 square meter sheet of steel ? It aint fun and frankly i thinks its a good solution despite the downfall
Leave it to 3rd party to make and sell one and then the customer can choose to buy and use a larger build plate.
Any inconsistency in those plates height can probably impact the print both in performance and aesthetics but IMO that hole in the middle is worse than the seams. You can't probe the absolute middle of the bed to what it seems like a nozzle probe the machine comes with. It's not a big deal but it would definitely annoy me :D
@@LesFishingMoreCatching Shipping will be really fun and make it very cost prohibitive
I want one but i have no idea what i would print on it.
As i see on the comment much of the people here apparently had never used .8 or bigger noozles. Machine prints a little more faster than a old printer running marlin. Also this machine is not for the typical projects for me is very helpful for prints that are like 4 feet tall so that i can just split in 2 parts instead of 4 or more if it is more big than my current 420mm printer.
Agreed!
Their next one should be Full Joel print volume.
Kevin: Nathan is gone, Yes!
F*ck, another hanging hand on the machine.. Another calibration 😀
He very much would not let me stand on it.
@3DPrintingNerd 😀 You have to try it on your own in the studio! 👍
I was also at formnext and honestly kinda sad i didnt get to say hi. Any chance youll like make a meetup at formnext 2024?
There is a very good chance of that :)
i don't see this being used to sell large things, i see this with 5 print heads on it mass manufacturing smaller parts for selling, or being used by businesses to make custom things for themselves such as a theme park, car parts, or engineering lab.
Can’t wait to get mine, backer #10 let me know if anyone needs anything printed this will dawrf my npmax and my Bambi lab machines
It's an interesting machine but the bottleneck will be the ability to put plastic down fast enough. Printing a full plate on that a meter high will take a geologic age.
yes, but faster than printing multiple parts, putting the together and refinishing it to remove the joint gaps.
i hate to say it but I'd put bets on that the majority of people who buy this do so with an aspirational idea of giant scale projects but will hit the reality of waiting a month to print one chest piece for an ironman suit and end up going back to more traditional vacuum forming or foam cutting. For those that do print the giant sculptures, I can't wait to see videos of them. I get a real kick out of seeing people do scaled up stuff in 3D prints.
@@ClayMann ... and then it fails due to warping after 3 weeks. ... or layer shift, or runout of filament (I assume it has a filament runout sensor, but even then things can fail due to pausing or sensor failure). Now thats fun.
i think I might just yeet that out into the street 3 weeks in and it fails. You do it again, oh yep failed week 2. You print a tiny benchy. That prints fine. Attempt your lifesize Yoda again $300 of filament in with only one benchy to show for it haha@@sagichnicht6748
@@sagichnicht6748 Needs a 5k spool holder on top.
All the R2D2 builders looking at this now... yup that will do it.
Gambody just released a Chopper model too 😁
I was definitely wondering why established companies use kickstarter.
wish there was more shots of the printer :(
We shot a ton of b roll, what specifically are you looking to see?
@@3DPrintingNerd I’d love to see it printing something that utilizes the whole build volume.
I'm cautiously optimistic since at that price point, you aren't dealing with top quality components. It would have been really interesting if they partnered with E#D or Slice Engineering to put a really impressive hot end on that thing. Think Revo or Mosquito Magnum hot ends with easy to change nozzles.
Elegoo machines are generally solid but i agree with you, slice engineering partnership would have been awesome
This printer is amazing. It’s such a wonderful price. We’ve already ordered one. However my biggest concern is that I still haven’t seen a Elegoo print a very large print on it? Is there something up that it won’t handle the very large prints? And why 0.6 nozzle I really think they should’ve given 1 mm and up is standard.
I reckon Sam will be getting you back with a spectacular video bomb at some point. 😂
For anybody who's always wanted to print a dog house.
They missed the chance to call it the Giga Chad
BisforBuild realized very quickly after buying a commercial sized printer that it’s just not the way to go unless it’s for a very specialized purpose.
Far better to have 4 printers printing at the same time.
Each individual printer can print at a faster print speed, and all at the same time so it’s better than 4x the speed, and if a print fails you only lose 1/4 of your print.
Not to mention the added waste from supporting giant prints.
This is great value for the size. I've been looking at commercial printers at this size and larger and 2k over 8-10k is significant. I don't think this is quite the work horse those true commercial products are, but can appreciate that its a very good bridge to a production scale machine.
Oh you know I’ve backed this printer. I cannot wait!!!!
Why are they not printing anything?
Fun project on paper from Elegoo but would've much rather they did something like this with a Neptue 4 Plus/Max size instead. I mean this thing is cool and all, but the size alone is gonna limit people's ability to buy it. My Vcore 3.1 500 barely fits on my work bench and the giga would mean removing one entirely.
The garage hard decision: the car out, this monster in, my wife on fire, me sleeping in the car (outside) and the printer in (with my wife)..... I'm confused but happy
Joel well get hes grinder out again no problem
to get it through hes doors
Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed, but I was recently ruined by in terms of scale when I got to see an industrial 'large format' 3D printer at the company R&D lab. It's a 15x40 FEET printer and the hot end is 30mm. 👀 ABS literally by the bucket-full, and it has a connected CNC machine for part finishing. Thermwood LSAM if y'all want to google size reference. They could literally print a bridge and had a cut-away strut on display that was 15 feet wide and 11 ft long for a fixture to make composite parts from.
Was this at DI in Kansas City?
Can't say I was expecting the hole in the middle... I know it's 4 Neptune build plates, but that just feels... odd. And I do wonder... there is certainly going to be the home user buying this and putting it in a garage. Heck, it seems like a lot of 3D printing just wants a bigger and bigger printer, throw in faster.... now back to bigger and bigger. Yet once the little boat is printed, it seems to get minimal use out. Something like the sign printer Joel tested would probably be a better idea... a "tall enough for a helmet to print" but then long printer. IMEX in duplication mode. Need tall? Delta. Need helmet sized? Plenty of helmet sized printers. But this size and the 1m^3 printers or bigger, they seem to be desired for "I might have a need for a print this big" and nothing more and I worry we are at mechanical limits for simply extending existing designs. Peopoly's printer is good, because it would scale. But Ivan Miranda literally has shown some of the limits things get to. At what point do we go "you know what... a hang printer is what you need, not a scaled of CoreXY that has stretchy belts"?
I tip my hat to Elegoo for releasing such a printer. At least they brought something new to the table.
It is the table...
1mm nozzle work great in my Neptune 3 plus, this printer must have 1mm nozzle. 0.6 nozzle too small.
Uh huh uh huh uh huh
Kinda ironic how that Orange is reminiscent of Prusa orange, plus the clear XL knock-off with multi-zone heat bed, the ridiculously large size and multi-nozzle. Yet while the size certainly exceeds the XL, the multi-nozzle doesn't compete with XL's multi-HEAD. So far it appears the multi-nozzles of elegoo's orange "storm" only trade build space for multiple simultaneous build duplicates. The only advantage gained is faster multiple prints of the same thing, same material (only different colors possible today). But perhaps that's a firmware update on the horizon so it can apply multi materials into a single build (I hope). I can't see the quadrupled Neptune bed competing against the slick-ass XL bed, either. I am skeptical on print quality simply across such a large build platform, particularly with what appears to be a rather thin cage, so anxious to compare the two in action. I've been foolish enough to pre-order both, and perhaps whichever arrives first will be the keeper (chop chop, prusa!).
Biggest 3D Benchie ever coming soon.......as well as other dust collectors.🤣🤣
When will marketing reps realize that we see right through their corporate double speak - like for kickstater - just be transparent about it being a financial decision for a (basically) interest-free loan to develop a product? We see right through your 'explination' - trying to hide the raw honest truth just breeds contempt and distrust.
$2500+ seems hella over priced for the the parts used
If you can build it, ship it, and support it for less, you should. They’ve raised MILLIONS on Kickstarter, so if you can you should.
@@3DPrintingNerd or ill wait till its 1/3rd the cost in two or three years. They got catch their whales, I get it.
@@hawktondogBELIEVE ME I know. I have a video coming soon, mentioning early adopters and the price they pay.
same name lol
Keep in mind that "Requires two people" differs from country to country. I had a group of people in Shenzhen staring at me slack jawed watching me rack servers by myself. When I had finished the rack they told me that it takes a team of 3 to do that.
I am Pleased I sent Joel the details of it now!
I sent the link and the video I found on kick starter just as it was shown up.
Out of my price budget sadly plus I don't have the spare room for it.
Joel likes it. I thought he would?
Finally. I have been calling for this for years because it was obvious that it could be done for modest cost, it's the same controls and items, just longer beams, maybe slightly beefier drives.
The reason I think big printers are very important is for actually using it for real world stuff, not just shelf trinkets. With a large printer you can actually make molds for cars, planes, even boats. With the exact repeatable shape you get from a printer you can actually start a professional aircraft manufacturing business. And we actually need much bigger. a 1 meter cube, 1.42meters and 2 meter cube. Then some elongated ones, maybe 2x2x5meters and 4x4x10. For boats and bigger planes. There is no reason to not do it. And it's not just for businesses. Orange storm is inexpensive enough for everyone, I mean it's no more than an iphone and a mere fraction of an apple computer and a lot of people can find room for that printer. If you are freak enough to buy a 400mm printer then why not a bigger one that has actual use.
It's super obvious for making molds for composite parts. If you are building a loud speaker or a bicycle or a big drone. Or like he said furniture design. You can print the molds and make a Nautilus speaker or better. If you are printing a wing, even for an RC plane then 800x800 isn't much. We need much bigger :)
The CZcams channel BisforBuild just tried this with a big commercial printer. By the time the first layer went down they realized they were far better off with multiple small machines.
Another channel, StreetBanditos just used their regular form factor print farm to create the molds for their carbon fiber BEV Nissan 240z for SEMA.
It’s one of those things where it seems like a good idea, and then you try it and remember that adhesives exist.
@@mmavcanuck then a resin printer should be ideal for you
The printing is going very slow in the video.
Sure, it's also a trade show. I'm just happy it's working and being shown. It's REALLY hard to keep things in tip-top shape at a trade show.
Leaning on the machine, disrespectful
Nope. Asked first they said sure.
Could they have come up with a dumber name for it?
Their answe for using kickstarter is to reach more people but then talk about commercial customers 30zecy later for the target of the unit. Just be honest and say they didn't know how many people would react so they chose a zero risk kickstarter to limit production, increase demand and increase the price after fully releasing it.
obviously the company doesn't want to take a risk on a new design so they used kickstarter, just don't disrespect people by telling lies. I am in the market for this and won't buy one, it's 1/4 the price of raise3d and I'm just going to wait for the next company who won't lie to me.
Giant China company needs interest free loans from overly eager customers on the promise of eventually getting something.