Draya Michele is a PREDATOR?
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Ep 213 | To make up for last week here's an early drop. The boys are joined by the good Pastor Kristian A. Smith to discuss the Draya & Jalen pregnancy
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2:53 avoiding labels
10:58 Is it a red flag if they…make way more money than you
22:45 Is Draya Michelle a PREDATOR?
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I still remember the police report of her leaving her kid home alone in a filthy apartment with a tv dinner while she partied and he called the police at 2 AM because he was alone. If that situation doesn’t say something about a person’s character idk what does.
Yo this comment made me remember that oh my god
Had totally forgotten about that 😫
That's absolutely disgusting. So she's a predator and can't even make the excuse of being a good parent the same way people get shocked when some serial unalivers are caught
"YOU EVA HAD SEX BEFO!?" 👁👄👁
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Draya’s behavior is predatory even if he was with the shit. Still, I don’t care that much. I can just silently disapprove and move on.
As a 20yr old who went to private school with the Jaylen green types, I don’t think he understands the situation he’s in. The way these boys view life is very different. But, h’ell be fine.
Yeah exactly. But it's still wrong that he's being preyed on
He really got on here and said neurological development is pseudo-scientific 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️……. He got it 😂😂😂😂
Right, like??? It's not "pop science" it's a well-known fact, Alvin. I know he's smarter than that
Yeahhh he lost me on that part, like bruh you're supposed to be smarter than this
Right? That shit had me scratching my head like I had lice. 🤦♂🤦♂
I cannot drop a link or CZcams will delete the comment as spam (at least it usually does) but look up the slate article about brain maturity from November 2022, it talks about this.
The og brain maturity study didn't actually prove that brains stop aging at 25, they just didn't have anyone older than 25 in the study. All that proves is that brains keep growing up to 25- it could and likely does keep growing and changing afterwards too. There's also not been many similar studies, which means it's not really good science, although it got very popular and spread around fast in spite of little evidence
It’s not pseudoscientific, that is being disingenuous by Alvin but it’s just that there are not clearly defined benchmarks for what constitutes full development, according to current consensus the brain is always changing all the way up to old age. It is always developing, it is us as a species who arbitrarily decide on some number at which people are fully developed neurologically but again that is different for everyone. I still don’t know why Alvin said what he did though, I think he just said that to further his argument.
We early??
But nah Draya is disgusting for this. He has little wordly experience and probably can’t even envision how he is being taken advantage. I’m almost 29 but i remember being 22. And trust me if an attractive older woman was doing me like Draya was, id fold. Truly, at 22 you’re still so naive.
Right there with you, I just got to 30 and even going on a date with someone whos 22 just felt off, so much identity formation goes on then it's wild
I’m so sorry but Twitter hasn’t been the Town Center of the internet for a WHILE, especially since Elon took over 😩
Facts!
I really think people underestimate how much Elon did exactly what he was supposed to do with Twitter. 2020 and George Floyd rebellion shook the U.S. elites to the core and they needed to neutralize twitter as a hub of black global black resistence.
(edit) For the record I'm not saying resistence was only happening on twitter. I just mean twitter has been a key tool for ideological grounding for many of us
I don't use socials too much, so I'm curious - what do you think people (black, specifically) consider the "Town Center" of the internet now? Or is that just a void that's not filled at the moment?
@@louenatnine51 There is no "Town Center," we are too huge of a country with over 350 million people. A "town center" doesn't exist in a society that large. And on Twitter it is the most famous, and most rich whose messages become viral. That is not a town center, that is capitalism.
@@TheMPExperience I didn't think I would have to specify this, but I think one can surmise that the use of "town center" here is a stand in for "place that has dictated larger sociocultural conversations for various subgroups", and not an actual "everyone in the US talks about stuff here". At one point, Twitter could have most certainly been considered to have been that, given that at the time "black Twitter"'s most well-known memes, lingo, and conversations were driven by regular people, rather than talking heads.
I think you also might agree with that given the original poster mentioned twitter not being the town center for "a while", implying that it was at one point.
So, in my 30s I dated a man in his 20s and I still have reservations about because all of the things in the video. I just came here to say that he was pushing for a baby and a relationship the entire time. No matter how much I advised against it, he did not care. When we broke it off, he thankfully found a girl his own age to marry, but the man wanted a baby whether it was with me or not.
I really feel Alvins interpretation of Red Flag is more skewed than Eddie's but really don't see why he made such an "umm akshually" moment of it, he really lost me when he said twitter is the social media public square (for defining phrases like Red Flag?). Like its 2024, twitter is the public square of tech bros & racist not, not whats culturally relevant.
Cut it out Josh. College age kids should not be dating 40 year olds. The pregnancy makes something disgusting even worse.
I will take u seriously when u give that same energy to the millions of men who have been doing this for years!!😂😂
@thetruth5098 do you know them personally? Are you sure they haven't been treating men the same way?
@@thetruth5098 Everyone gives men that energy. Try again because you sounddelusional
@@twistysunshine Exactly. Like who hasn’t been blasting men for this behavior.
@@thetruth5098 Lol please name a time when men have NOT been blasted for this behavior. Pick a better argument if you're going to try and find a way to make excuses for this. That's a losing one. 😂
This was a pretty bad episode. Reverend didn’t even speak and no one even tried to understand what Eddie was saying at all and were being disrespectful while doing so.
I don’t really care about the dating it’s just the baby trapping a man way younger than you is what bothers me. No intention of staying with him, she just knows it’s easy money for much of her life.
Thank you. First comment that just blately said what it is
Baby trap? He is grown. He knows what condoms are. And I'm sure he got his dick wet before he ran into Draya. Let's stop making these grown men infants. Just like if this was reversed...the girls in their 20s are still grown women. Just because you are making bad decisions doesn't mean you get looked at as a victim.
Alvin must have stock in Twitter 😂😂😂
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This episode was very fun lol, but yall usually explain the topic before getting into it! I would have appreciated yall doing that for this Draya stuff too cuz idk who that is or what's going on, but I got the gist as yall were talking.
If you 22. You haven’t been through enough relationships. You think “I will never love anyone else, the way I love this person.”
I personally feel like this situation, specifically is only a weird situation because she herself has a child his age, and how the dynamic of that goes with him her and her child that could’ve been his friend, but is now potentially having to see him as a stepfather, but outside of that younger people date older people all the time and most of the time we see the power dynamic of that relationship sway financially in the favor of the person who is older. They normally have more money and have lived more life. In this situation he has power here he is not helpless to manipulation outside of the fact that she could potentially be using him for a check. Like the guest said I do not know their personal relationship and I just hope it’s healthy and they enjoy one another. I myself have been in relationship/dated older men. I enjoy them more cause the conversations tend to be more in depth and thought provoking. I also enjoy the look of an older man so I can empathize with their situation and again just hope it’s mutual and not a cash grab on her part. Another point too if we hope for a honest and positive relationship between them that I was hoping y’all would talk about is the benefits of dating older when you’re young. This person knows some pitfalls in life that they could help u out, specially someone with that much money and exposure. Draya has had a wild past but recently to my knowledge she been a good buisness woman and hasn’t been doing bad herself.
Love your podcast guys, you all have such thought provoking takes. I do believe there is such a thing as relative maturity based on experience level, and that affects power dynamics. For instance, I have a friend who didn't start dating at all until their 40s, and how they were acting with their first partner was exactly like a high schooler. I felt that their partner (who was their same age) was taking advantage of their inexperience, and I honestly would have preferred if my friend had dated someone closer in experience level, which would probably mean someone younger. I think the social commentary about age gaps has gotten a bit out of hand lately, age is a factor that deserves mentioning, but it's not the 'end all be all, let's all completely condemn this couple' level of importance it's getting lately.
Your friend is in an impossible situation that I don't think you can add equality to like they started so late. It's just what it is
Dawg Josh might be the funniest man alive😂😂 "you ever had sex before??"😭😭😭😭
Appreciate the points about examining the power dynamic through the lens of parenthood and the implications of what a child can do to someone's life and career. I'm a new dad (2 months in) and it's HARD. It requires a level of selflessness and discipline that many people aren't ready for or just don't want to engage in, especially the AVERAGE 22 year old that has access to damn near unlimited money and resources. A 39 year old with experience in child rearing and parenthood will have a completely different mindset and agenda; hopefully they're on the same page or it's gonna be a rough time for him and that baby.
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So nobody noticed that damn near the entire NBA's wives and side pieces are predatory? Well played DM. Well played.
Wait until that algo gets in a rhythm🙋🏽
15:19 start of the actual conversation related to the ad for the card game.
18:27 😭😭 this is why I can’t watch this in public
I hate to say it: Alvin's energy is ruining the vibe of this show for me. He constantly takes the opportunity to openly attack Eddie and it is awkward because it feels way too aggressive and it derails the original conversation. This red flag discussion is just the latest example. Eddie always starts off his points with non-threatening/gracious language but then has to defend himself because Alvin directly attacks him and never lets up. I use the word attack because his tone is dismissive, he often raises his voice, and sometimes even takes shots at Eddie while he's doing it. Its comes accross like he's sick of hearing Eddie talk and just wants to call him out on every topic. Ive literally heard him say versions of "You say a lot of bull****". You can even see it in the way he agrees with Eddie/gives him compliments. He usually qualifies it with a dig or acts as if he's pleasantly surprised. To be clear, it does not matter what his intentions are. It (and his body language) comes accross as disrespect. Not friends's teasing each other. Actual disrespect. It is cringe for listeners like myself and seems to be awkward at times for Josh and the guests.
I am a fan of the show and I want them to continue. Alvin, if you do actually read this, this is about how you communicate with your co-hosts. It is not an attack on your intellect or personality. We want you to be yourself and challenge Eddie's point if you disagree but you have to show the audience that you still respect your co-host. Ive heard this from my partner after arguments and its good advice: Be careful and considerate with your language, tone and criticism. This is not first take. We are not here for the theatrics or to listen to you debate the interpretation of different words. We want to hear normal guys discuss complicated gender issues with nuance in a SAFE space (like you guys did in the draya part). Good luck guys
My man face at the start tho🤣
Alvin thinks WAAAAAAY too highly of his own intellect. Like Alvin, you don’t speak for everyone. Twitter isn’t the real world. It’s kinda getting old. Alvin is intelligent, but he thinks he knows everything and it just kills the vibes of the podcast. The guest barely even got to talk.
Lmao that man Alvin has a weak ego.
He's Obsessed with looking Intelligent. When in reality mans just a average and there's nothing wrong with that.
I think you misunderstand him, he wants the audience to be aware that he is an academic... he isnt trying to belittle anyone. Every podcast is potentially a new audience. Besides i think this episode he finally got to be more relaxed usually it looks like he is multi-tasking or something
Eddie can come off as "too much" because this has also been acknowledged but he can talk forever and thats neither positive nor negative
Josh is more reserved and its appreciated because at times he does sound like the older brother to two bickering siblings (Eddie & Alvin)
Guests are really great usually i like it when its female because it allows for different conversations to reveal themselves
@@wombat7961 As an academic myself, I think we are very aware that Alvin prides himself on his academic accolades. But it absolutely comes off as belittling and a know it all. Being an academic is not an identity and doesn't make you the arbiter of all truth; there should be more to a person then that. It comes off as pretentious and out of touch with every day people. And ya, most episodes he looks bored and like he thinks he is better then the podcast or has something better to do. I have been watching the show for a couple years now and really enjoy it; just Alvin sometimes takes up too much space.
I agree with all your other points. Josh is my favorite and I agree he comes off as the most reasonable. Eddie makes me laugh.
I also agree that I love when female guest come on. That energy is always appreciated!
I Appreciate you and your perspective about Alvin though.
@@wombat7961josh being the older brother the two siblings bickering made me laugh what a perfect comparison 🤣
Couldnt agree more
When does the next round of playing cards drop?
Production has completed, approximately a week and a half for them to start shipping.
Eddy for the longest time i thought you were Jeffrey Almonte 🤣🤣🤣🤣
6:07 What was that sound Alvin made? That's the loudest I've ever heard him and it seemed motivated by nothing and no one else paid attention to it
To my knowledge Draya isn’t interested in having a romantic relationship with him so he will be free to date women you feel are more appropriate. People hypothesizing about their compatibility in 30 years . Whose relationship lasts that long ?
Twitter does not translate into real life. Most politicians that built popularity up on Twitter lost and most of the highly hated politicians on Twitter won.
Movies, Music and TV shows that you'd think would be the most popular based off Twitter don't end up doing that great. And unless you're talking to someone that is online as much as you are and have the same interests as you, most people won't even know what you're talking about when you talk about stuff online.
35:40 "YOU EVA HAD SEX BEFO!?"
The way that froze Eddie's whole thought process
Best part of the episode
1:37 War crimes, all that good stuff
Eddie joking about war crimes but I remember him talking about taking a girl home, they're in the bedroom having fun and a cockroach fell on her and Eddie literally and figuratively brushed it off. So now I'm suspicious.
35:40 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The "predator" label really should be reserved for dating around the age of 18. Saying you were predated on in your mid-20s without any serious power imbalance sounds crazy.
Salute to General Nikkaz
IMO it’s seems reckless to purposely go into a relationship intentionally to co parent. I know parents have done it and some have done it alone which is fair given the circumstances. But to just have a child with the intention to co parent or possibly not have a relationship with the other parent seems wild
6:17 lmao did he say Pro-Arson?
11:12 shits fucking mint - pun intended
18:36 nah she gon fold :p
Honestly…any woman over 40 who has done online dating knows that there is very little you can do to not have an inbox full of 22yo’s doing any and everything to get a message back. Like she may have pursued him but like he was likely happily willing in a Josh kinda way to jump in. Plus also how can anyone be “entrapped” by someone they choose to go raw with? No such thing.
While it's true that you will have a bunch of 20 year olds trying to shoot their shot it doesn't mean that you should let them. I always try to see things from the older person's point of view, not the young barely out of high school person that doesn't know any better. Why would someone who already has a lifetime of experience want to deal with someone who doesn't have any? The conclusion I always come to is that the younger person's lack of experience is the draw and to me that's predatory
@@fangal12 I do agree with that, experience weighs more than imagination…I just don’t believe that she was the only one pursuing. Idk if anyone actually said that but I wanted to add it to the convo.
@@catregime no doubt about that. A few weeks ago I had a 19 year old call me ma'am and ask me for my number. I was both flattered and offended 😂
In my 30s here and constantly catching attention from much younger people - I personally don't care how legal it is, it's still an extremely inappropriate age gap. She's a grown woman, settled in who she is and her life at this point. This young man doesn't even have a fully developed frontal lobe yet lol she knew exactly what she was doing and doesn't have the luxury of youth to feign ignorance.
Yeah I’m with Alvin on the Gibbs/Madlib thuggin comment
Yes, yes she is
28:35 The maturation of the prefrontal cortex is far from pseudoscience or pop science-neuroscience & other forms of research available on the nih website that draws the conclusion.
Exactly, for some reason the 🐆 has been placed on a pedestal as some type of female icon, while on the flipside of that coin when an older man is interested in women who are of legal consenting age they're seen as some type of predatory 🐺 beast that is constantly "grooming" inocent, angelic young women.
For some reason? Don't some dudes celebrate when female predators have sex with teenagers?
Critical red flag theory, lol
You can't have a baby daddy the same age as you kid, but hey...a baddie is a baddie right?
I can tell he is a pastor.
I mean by now y'all heard about the hyenas tryna track down Diddy. Figured now is a good time to spin back to this episode😎
I still appreciate you Alvin but hearing you're pro military spending is disappointing af. It's like saying, "I'm pro throwing away taxpayers' money." Or, "I'm pro death and destruction." Our military spending is so bad that the Pentagon can't even keep track of it. Regardless I hope that one day you'll move from that position. Be safe
He did say he’s a centrist lol, but I agree with you military budget is egregious especially now knowing they fail audits on a regular so there’s so much money “unaccounted for”
@@epcarter6 I served in the army and at my position it was evident that units were throwing away money. I remember when I had a unit tell me to "lose" gear, expend unneccessary rounds at the range, and other stuff so we can get a bigger budget the next fiscal year. Then to find out a lot of units were doing it. That's just the army, but other branches doing it also. I haven't even gotten to DARPA or defense contractors.
@@epcarter6underrated comment🌝
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Why people keep talking bout this bc There are so many relationships going on in the industry where the women is half the age difference of the man or even younger then that but I guess since we are used to old ass man preying on young women it’s okay it’s overlooked but as soon as it’s the other way around it’s a big issue and everybody and they momma got something to say about it that’s crazy there is a relationship going on right now in Hollywood where an up and coming actress is in her early to mid 20 and the man she is married too is in his late 40s bout to be 50 I think he’s 47 and is a very established actor and everybody is okay with their relationship and gives them praise talks about how cute there relationship is and in all actuality shouldn’t it be more predatory if it’s a man seeing as though there stronger and most of the time holds a distinguished power dynamic over them and the example of the man I’m talking about holds more of a reputation over the younger woman and can hold her career in the palm of his hand so there is a power dynamic to there relationship which I don’t think is in this relationship bc there both are influencers and famous but I’m not saying that both situations are right but people gotta stop picking and choosing what’s right and wrong only when it fits them and there narrative it creates a toxic and sad world
This is a very complex way of saying “Just let women be predatory man.” Come on out & say what you want to say
@@PinocchioDread No it’s like you completely missed my point I was tryna to make or I didn’t explain it well enough. I was saying that this happens a lot with men being way older then the woman but since we’re so used to it happening that way, we don’t say much about it or I don’t see much about it and it’s happening a lot thats all, but it’s wrong for either man or woman to be in a relationship with someone half there age it’s disgusting and not fair to the young individual.
Maybe Draya’s man likes older women? Maybe he has been dreaming about dating her for a long time. He’s 22 he knows he can get women pregnant, he knows what he is doing. Age is just a number, I don’t think Draya is that mature anyway.
Men's brains literally don't stop developing until 25
I don't care about this subject because men have been doing the same since forever. I think she a hot mess for this but so are the millions of old men dating young women
Until we care about both , i don't care about either 😂
Reactionary detected. I actually think it’s kinda stupid to make this a dichotomous “us vs them” mentality where a man should not be worthy of sympathy on account of his broader group. Not an intelligent take here
💯Right, like Robert Dinero just didn’t just announce his newborn.
@@PinocchioDread no sir!! That won't do!! Like I said. Let's see one time you called out a man for doing the same thing. Just one!! I bet you never did. So go sat down with your biased azz
Agree with their assessment on Draya. But yáll really think that age gap is the EXACT same thing genders reversed? In patriarchy?
Yes. Why should we give different treatment to men & women who might be in positions of power?
Alot of men are predators yall date younger women way more than women dating younger men but draya wrong? but than again i would not want be with someone that young my husband 10 years older than me
More women do it than you think, they are just not as called out as much as men do. Draya got caught so people are calling it out, but maybe situations like this will bring more light on women being predatory just as men and hopefully they will be held to the same standard as their male counterparts.
@@irenecruz5634 that is a lie women always loved older men more than they like younger men