In my opinion, the Suns system was successful because of Steve Nash, not the other way around. I remember when he got injured and the Suns lost like 9 of the 11 games he sat out. That team wouldn’t have done nearly as much if you replaced him. Also this man just said the 3rd all time assists leader wouldn’t be a hall of famer if he didn’t win MVP bruh come on.
It's a great system, if you have one of the best pure point guards of all time. How many could fill that role? Kidd, maybe. Stockton, probably... That's about it.
@Ice Sickle Stockton just didn't have the same run & gun style as Nash. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, but if you put Stockton or Kidd in the system under which Nash thrived, they may not do as well as Nash did it - or as well as they did in their respective offenses for that matter.
Y’all say Harden was an undisputed MVP playing in the D’Antoni 2.0 System but act like Nash doesn’t deserve his MVP’s because he’s a “system player” in the same offense. Smh the hate too real 🤦♂️
I agree. MVP should be given to the MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYER and Nash was just that. Like LBJ is every year. I don't believe Harden was MVP or should ever be do to his consistent lack of effort on defense. Even though LBJ isn't always consistent on defense but he still has a much larger impact in other major areas than Harden . I sometimes feel that if you replace Harden with KD, or a Curry-type you would get a similar result that the Rockets got. Where-as, if LBJ was on the Hawks last year they would at least make it to the playoffs, and I don't believe any other player could do that solo!
If you put harden and Nash 1v1 harden will destroy Nash on both sides of the ball rebounds everything. Nash is overrated because he is an average guy passing the ball to above average (ability wisely) nba players does absolutely nothing impressive NOTHING he understands angles and how to get his teammate a high quality shot but those shots came through constant motion not because they had to double team Nash but through motion and double teams on amare... the lakers probably had to double because they had smush Parker at PG
SUPER SAMMICH How is he underrated? He won 2 MVPs and is called an all time great. Not everyone is over or underrated, some people are appropriately rated.
ADAJ3 A lot of people, like LOW, and a very salty Shaq, say that he did not deserve any of his MVP's or awards, and that he benefited from a Mike D'Antoni system, and changed rules. How many times have you heard that Shaq or Kobe deserved to win it over Nash?
ADAJ3 if Steve Nash is really being called an all time great they've really lowered there standards on what they considered an all time great that was a word we reversed players like magic bird Jordan etc
This is the most UNDERRATED player of ALL TIME!!!!! 3rd all time in assists.. He averaged 9.4 assists per game throughout his career in Phoenix alone. Led the league in assists 5 times, essentially dominating the passing game in the 2000's. Ninth all time in 3 point shooting percentage and he wasn't even a specialized shooter. 4 seasons where Nash recorded 40% from 3, 50% from the field and 90% from the line... and was one free throw shy of 5.. most all time by far. The best free throw shooter in the history of the game at 90.43% which is unheard of. But the BIGGEST reason why he was underrated wasn't his stats.. but the way he played the game.. there will never be a more intelligent, cunning and artistic guard like him ever again.. his no looks, behind the backs and through opponent leg passes are strange to this sport.. he's really only appreciated by soccer fans because his play is reminiscent of Lionel Messi, just absolute brilliance every time he touched the basketball. For fuck sake he gave Stoudemire perfect passes with his head and feet at the 2005 slam dunk contest. And even more, he was a ruthless sniper from beyond the arc... Every time this man shot a 3 it didn't just go in, he swished it... The ONLY REASON Steph Curry is even a thing is because Nash didn't style his game after the three point shot... because if Steve actually looked to style his game as a shooter rather than a passer he would have probably been hailed as the best shooter in history and Steph would have been what James is to Jordan.. an afterthought. He was such a perfect shooter in fact that when he would miss a free throw (usually in an out the rims) the crowd and announcers would be stunned that it was possible... I'd trust Nash taking a shot over Steph, and he wasn't even a shooter. Most Underrated player BY FAR... it's not even close, the only reason he never won a ring was playing for really really shit defensive teams.
They both are different... one was mad efficient with his shooting who delivered 10+ assists in his prime years while the other gives crazy volume scoring with good assists & good post D...
Calling Steve Nash overrated is probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If anything Nash is underrated because people forget how good he was in his prime.
- TJ no that was on Phoenix’s front office being cheap and not signing back Joe Johnson on a long term contract. Johnson was so important to that team because of his spacing and ability to slow the game down in iso situations.
I agree with you except the fact that if you take away Nash’s MVPs he’s not a HOFer. He’s still 8x All-Star, 7x All-NBA, 5x Assist Leader. That’s HOF worthy. Especially if a guy like Reggie Miller is getting in being a 5x All-Star and 3x All-NBA (all 3rd team) in 18 seasons.
"(player 1) must be HOF caliber cause (player 2) is and he had less (x) statistically than (player 1)" If we use that logic, anyone more accomplished than the least accomplished player in the HOF should make it in.
Chris Hessian the basketball HOF compared to the other professional leagues is easier to get into. I only used Reggie as an example because those who’ve watched LOW’s videos know he already did a video on Reggie Miller. The man averaged 18-3-3 lol.
The example doesn't matter. I'm only commenting on the reasoning you use. Every player who averaged over 18-3-3 should be in the HOF? Obviously not. The standards are low for the HOF, but they'd be even lower if everyone was put in based on comparing them statistically to another HOFer. Context, ya know?
Not to mention Nash is the leader for the 50/40/90 club over Larry Bird, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, etc. Dude is a top 5 playmaker and debatably top 5 shooter of all time. There's no question he'd still be a HOF candidate.
Tony Cook ur ignorance is super strong lol haha. Like hardcore they didn’t fully use the triangle it was at most a couple of plays sorry try again . N the pace the suns played gave a lot more posseions. No way in hell u would think of. Nash as a top 20 guard
Nestor Cuero bro ur crazy Nash was the system without Nash that Phoenix team isn’t anything he made that team a great team he was the most valuable player in the league stop hating bro ur the one that sounds ignorant and Kobe and Michael did flourish from that system but that shouldn’t be used to discredit any of these guys so stop and do not say he’s not a top 20 guard what other guard has ever aged his number in that era that was also heavily about grit and defense cmon bro stop hating
Triangle offense hurt MJ and Kobe’s numbers, without the triangle MJ have absolute monsters numbers. Son you are comparing a system that hurts a players numbers but win champions vs a system helps player number with no rings
Naaaaa. The player that holds the record for most 50-40-90 seasons is overrated? Na...questioning his MVP’s because he didn’t make it to the finals is like questioning hardens mvp. Nash is also one of the best free throw shooters. Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends with these type of videos. Every player has a bad game/series. What’s next? Kobe or MJ is overrated?
@@Comptonx187 Took his team from 29 wins to 62 with no other major additions, he shot around 50+/45/90+ from the field, he averaged a dozen assists, he didn't turn the ball over.
@@Comptonx187 The last two MVP's had trouble shooting 40% from the field & both averaged about 6 turnovers a piece. 6 fucking turnovers. Nash averaged the same assist numbers with half the turnovers. We should be embarrassed about letting stat padders & losers win MVP. Russell's MVP is much more embarrassing & far less deserved than Steve's.
Bro, he had 10 straight seasons running top 10 offenses (most of the time top 5 offenses) in offensive rating. God damn dude sometimes just running down the fucking court and getting into the offense is the MOST valuable activity one could do. See Chris Paul
Nash benefited from the NBA rule changes in the early 2000’s. When once the league started making the game more guard friendly, his stats went on an up swing.
He created the system in Phoenix that is the prototype for what many teams do now. It's just that Nash didn't have enough shooters around him. If Joe Johnson stayed, they would have won titles. Just one more gun and that would have put them over the top. Coaching and the GM's mistakes are why Nash didn't get over the hump.
So is Tim Duncan overrated because he was a system player his whole career even though he was very talented? How about Harden he thrives in a similar system to Nash and won an MVP, so he’s also overrated? Is Steph Curry overrated because he’s a 2x MVP? When everyone who truly understands the NBA knows that Curry has never been the best player - Lebron was and still is. Also, James Harden and Westbrook didn’t lead their teams to the finals in their MVP seasons so are they both now overrated?
Airgens Nash was a winner as well. Nash arrives in Phoenix they go from a 29 win team to a 62 win team and make the WCF. But if you are using the term “winning” to mean championships then yeah, you’re right, Duncan was a winner compared to Nash. But I’ll ask again, if not winning a championship makes Nash overrated then are Westbrook, Harden and CP3 all overrated too?
BLOCKED BY JAMES Tim Duncan thrived because of the system Popovich put in place, thereby making him a “system player” But I think you missing my point. I’m in no way saying Duncan wasn’t a great player. I’m simply making the argument that if Nash is labeled as overrated because of the reasons LOW gave, then shouldn’t other players who fall into those categories similar to Nash also be considered overrated?
Garrett Corn no because Duncan was great right away it took Nash nearly a decade to be great and just overall Duncan is a better basketball. Duncan outside of SA would be the same player with a different uniform
Why are people always making this hard? You ask how Nash never made it to an NBA Finals but won 2 regular season MVPs. Easy. Basketball is a team game, MVP is an individual award, and a regular season award at that, when they don't go all out on defense and they pace themselves. Yes, I know how all of you want to create this narrative that a truly great player can do most of the heavy lifting himself, but history has shown that nobody, not even MJ, was able to do it by themselves. We just gave the award to Westbrook. And Harden. Post season chokers. Why are we wondering about Nash? We have a well-documented history of giving that trophy to the undeserving, and often to someone who is NOT the best player in the league that season. So why should Nash be any different?
And some years Nash was injured too. And they STILL routinely made conference finals appearances in the west. During this time period the suns would have killed almost any eastern conference team they played, D'Antoni just could never outcoach Pop (0-7 in playoff series agiesnt pop lol)
@@Comptonx187 you don't win a chip every year some years we got injuries some we underperformed. What I am trying to say is those two years everything went well we had a big chance to win a ring but the nba desides to fuck us
Nah he just is .... screens screens pass to an all star screen screen pass to an all star screen screen oh they doubled my all star should I shoot oh my other all star is open pass. Rondo did it better and he didn’t get an mvp for it
Okay so first off, I like you and your videos. But I have to be HONEST here. Steve Nash might be a little overrated, but you make it sound like he is a damn scrub. Nash was one of the most unlucky players in history (2005 agiesnt the Spurs, Amare's neck injury in the 2007 playoffs, his own thigh injury in 2008). He also consistently made the WCF in the West, which during that time period was essentially the NBA finals when you consider the talent gulf between east and west. Is it his fault that he was on a top 3 team every year that simply wasn't quite the best? Would you have taken his team over the supporting cast of the Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, or Rockets, not to mention the half dozen other secondary contenders. Is it his fault that Mike D'Antoni was notorious for his HORRIBLE playcalls and choices in the clutch, to the point where it was a meme how he could never beat Pop (he still never has btw). Nash was the top point guard in the league for 5 years and consistently preformed in the clutch after the Mavs years. MISS ME with this nonsense.
@Shawn Kemp correct! And it's not like anybody says he is even a top 5 PG of all time... nobody even rates him like that. This vid is a little stupid man.
@Shawn Kemp mayyybe at a push. I think some combo of Magic, Big O, IT, Stockton, Curry, Kidd, West, and CP3 will usually crowd him out of the top 5 tho. Personally I have him in the 5-7 range
@Shawn Kemp its True, and the failures were way more about injuries, bad luck and other great teams than Nash's shortcomings. There are only a couple PG's in history who could dream of running that offense with Nash's efficiency, and most players got noticeably worse after leaving Nash. He didn't even MENTION efficiency because he knows how dead his argument would be of he did lol
@Shawn Kemp and I HOPE I see the video calling out CP3 for being " overrated" bc he can't make the finals if he is using that criteria to diminish Nash.
never getting to the finals is definitely a stain on his legacy but when he gets criticized for being one of the weakest mvp winners of all time and sometimes gets labeled as a system player it's kinda hard for him to be overrated
Calling Nash overrated!??! Yea you trippin. Why because he was team first? Make no mistake, the only hit aginst nashes game an legacy was his defense. But not for lack of trying. So please...stop with the disrespect. Because Nash was top 5 point guard all throughout his prime. If he wasn't? Name the 5 pgs over him. An I'll gladly step back an shut up.
@@Skykid6 no chip ok? But I ask again. Name five pgs in nashes era that where better than him? You can't an if you tried. You'd be gettin called a l Liar! by every person who knows even a little about basketball. An again his defense wasn't horrible. He just wasn't athletic enough to stay with the athletic pgs. An he didn't win a chip. Ok are you sayin that makes him a bad pg? But regardless he's a hall of fame all time great pg! That didn't go runnin just because he didn't win a chip.👊 BTW, 2 BACK TO BACK MVPS...not to shabby if ya ask me?
In that 2009 season coach Porter tried to make the suns a defensive team, and all suns fans know that Nash and Amar'e, the teams best players, were not defensive players. And Porter was definitely lacking in the offensive side of the ball. Nash was never the type of player that had the killer instinct. If you're a stats guy, of course you would want him to shoot more because he was so effecient but we all know stats don't tell the whole truth. He was a team first player, he made everyone better with his passing. Even at the latter of his career, the suns were a .500 team during a lock out season, to a 25 win team once he left.
Christian Hernandez facts he is like top 5 or 3 all time he just gets disrespected and gets hated for getting mvp over Kobe which is bs but rip to Kobe though
You talk about how good his team mates were on offense, yet you never talked about how much better every teams offense got when they signed Nash. So many logical fallacies in this video? Harden still hasn't been to the finals, yet hes not considered over rated?
This video is so disingenuous. The dude wants to argue against the notion that the suns were "cheap" and shows that they were actually 7th in salary(65 million) in 07, but hides the fact the the 3rd highest team...aka his lakers (77 million) had a payroll of almost 12 million more than the suns! You know who had 12 million less than the suns? The 27th place New Orleans (53 million). The suns in regards to salary were pretty close to the median for the league. So yes, when it came to building a championship team, the suns were in fact kind of cheap.
I never expected the suns to win anything any year because I know Nash was just regular season sauce just like harden but harden wasn’t bestowed mvp over somebody else that deserved it like this years mvp was either giannis or bron what if they gave it to... never mind it doesn’t compare Nash is such a weak mvp ability wise it’s hard to compare to harden who can do so much more with his body. Nash never was the best basketball player in the world for 1 year that’s what mvp means to me it’s like performance is one thing but who is clearly the best basketball player side by side Nash was never the best or top 5 in those years he won... his team won but Nash walking on the court and Kobe or lebron walking on the court even Larry bird walking on the court or ai walking on the court is just different.
I wasn't going to watch this video because I have always thought Nash was overrated. SDC did a video on this video, so I wanted to check it out. This is a super good video with great detail. One thing I may have added at the end is suggesting what other PG's of the same era may have done with the Suns.
Steve Nash is not overrated. I can see why people say he's overrated but he is not overrated at all. Give some respect to a legend. Bust and overrated is constantly used in sports media too much
Jay Wagner yeh I don’t think he’s overrated I just think he did not deserve those two mvps that he won they were much more deserving to guys like Kobe, wade, shaq, kg
I like the vid and the argument(s), so I gotta ask. I too have a James Harden jersey in my closet, James Harden also flourished under the Coach D’Antoni systems, has disappeared in playoff series, and is currently in the running for his 2nd mvp. Would you consider him to be overrated or a system player? What’s your opinion on him?
stoic romulan true, but one thing I feel about harden games or at least the development of it, is that it is a product of the nba currently. From the officials’ rulings to analysts’ stats (I.e. win shares, less twos more threes etc), harden has flourished. In a different era we’d see the same Harden making the rulings and stats of that time advantageous for himself. Don’t you agree? At the base of his game, he’s still an all star if not superstar. I see the system player part of Harden, but overrated. We don’t really overate him, because we still hold him accountable for the playoffs chokes, defense, drawing fouls , step back travels etc. The mvp is a season award and in last season he and Houston did their thing.
Take away his two mvps but at the end of the day he’s a top 5 playmaker and top 5 shooter of all time. (Shooter not scorer!) You can’t say that about anyone else
Real Spiel take away those mvps and we aren’t even talking about him.... that’s what this is about the things that make him relevant to media I feel was given to him definitely the second time he should not have won 2.. because he won 2 back to back is the only reason we talk about him because deep down everybody knows that’s a miracle.
Carl Bridgewater irrelevant is not the right word. If you’re on a list with player such as Dirk, KD, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Mark Price, and Steph you’re doing something right. Even you can score 20 points by yourself in an empty gym but you still wouldn’t be as efficient as those guys in an actual game
Yes other than the Scottie Pippen, New York Knicks bogus call, 07 was the biggest screw over of all time. Definitely would've went to the finals without those unwarranted suspensions. Everyone remembers that BS.
rash b don’t forget the Sacramento kings vs La Lakers in WCF. And the 06 Mavericks vs Heat finals. Might be even bigger than the ones you mentioned. Crazy.
Roberto Guevera Great call on Sacramento vs LA! Forgot about that. The only reason I wouldn't do 06 Mavs vs Heat is because Dwayne Wade became the aggressor in that series when he took over. Refs always tend to start to favor the aggressor individually, and Dallas became kind of passive. But that one's arguable, Sacramento getting robbed along with Phoenix and Chicago definitely not.
rash b game three is where they got robbed. So yes. You need to include it. The “aggressor” got calls that were unbelievable. And that carried for the rest of the series.
Roberto Guevara Lol, I can't deny any of what you're saying. I admit to being a little biased on this one because I was telling people Wade would a championship before Lebron since they were rookies. So even thought I wanted Dirk to get his first, I wanted to be proven right. I am guilty on that one. But unbiased on all the rest :)
Coolhands444 I think all of these guys who do videos like this do. It's sad cause the majority of little kids gonna believe this. I remember after that "spacing" video I would go through Dawkins comments and kids was like "Kobe did that with no spacing"
he had a point tho about how just having floor spacers makes it easier to score and gonna be honest not to be offensive but most guys who are warriors and steph curry fans are more commonly "kids" which is fine we all where at one point
DJ true he did have a point, but a lot of them don't even be knowing what they talking about. They just hear it and start typing. I'm 20 and been a Curry fan since the 2012-2013 season bro
He was the best pg in the league for how long? I guess by the same logic of never making a Finals Chris Paul is overrated and Jason Kidd was a better player than him? Your tripping the man pioneered a style of bssketball that didn't exist at the time. Other players have done it better since but they had Steve Nash to learn from, he was the first "efficient ball dominant guard " to push the pace of play. His teammate are not in the same category as Kobe and Duncan's who won 10 championships over the span of Nash carrier Bottomline he ran into better players with more talented teams. I'm not even a fan but I get tired of people pushing this narrative that if you don't win a ring your some trash ass athlete who never amounted to anything. Its the reason why guess like Durant make punk moves because of the judgement that's passed on them by fans and the media. Also since when is it a bad thing to excel in a system set up by your coaching staff? I thought that was their job to put you in a position to succeed. Now he's not one of the most efficient players the league has ever seen he's a role player playing in a good system come on. MVP is a regular season award FYI it has nothing to do with finals and championships. The Sun's went wherever Nash took then that's why he was MVP because on the back of a 30 year old 6 foot something guard that looked like he should of been in dental school the sun's out up multiple 50 plus win seasons.
I remember that MVP race. It was between Nash and Kobe. Kobe was playing hero ball but the Lakers were in the bottom half of the playoff picture. Nash's team was at the top of the conference
Bartholomuew Try ski John Stockton is my favorite point guard but people said he used to just pass to malone down low and hope he scored lol That's why malone is second in scoring all time and first in free throws made.
How can you be overrated when everyone keeps talking trash about you all the time. Nash was a great player and probably in that second level of superstars. Hes better than a lot of players that people claim are better than him. Its ridiculous that anyone thinks hes overrated.... only people that think that are the kobestani radicals that defaced Lebron's mural and believe that Nash stole MVPs from the 8th seeded Kobe.
Everyone stays on Nash’s nuts I nvr hear anyone say anything bad about him. If anything Melo is underrated he used to be overrated but everyone acts like he’s trash now💀
@@andwelecastleberry5423 Melo is trash... teams get worse when he joins them. The opposite is true with steve Nash... he joined a 20 win team and took them to 60 wins
@Puffin FromYT More efficient? I guess if youre not counting defense..Which in that case im sure alot of people were. But as an all around player hell no..its actually not even close tbh
Steve Nash should’ve made the finals and should’ve won a chip. When Robert Horry threw Nash into the scorers table at game 4 of the 2007 WCF Amar’e Stoudemire (Who, might I add, was on the All-NBA First Team that year) and Boris Diaw (Extremely Versatile do-it all Player who averaged 8 points to go along with 4 rebounds and four assists) got suspended from game 5 because they got on the court (didn’t even participate in the ensuing fight) and because of this the Suns got beat in game 5, on their own home court, by 3 points. It’s fair to say that with Stoudemire they would’ve won that game 5 bringing them up 3-2 and even if they still lost game 6 they probably would have won game 7 on their home court. They were a better team than the Spurs, who beat the Cavs in 4, so it’s fair to say they were a better team than the Cavs as well, and probably would have trashed them in 4-6 games. Also, while it is fair to say Dirk and LBJ could have won the MVP in ‘07 there was no way Nash didn’t deserve it in ‘06, cause back then the MVP was less of a stat based award and more a storyline/win/affect on team award, and that was a year Nash changed a 20 win team to a 62 win one, while putting up great stats and changing the way the game was played. Also, like I said it was less a statline and more a storyline based NBA, so saying Kobe should have won in ‘06 is really dumb considering his team won less games than WBs in ‘17 despite having the same level, if not less help, and the storyline would have been ‘Kobe can’t win without Shaq, let’s shit hit the floor, blows 3-1 lead’ and you might say that the MVP is a regular season award, and if that’s so why are most if not all of your anti-MVP points playoff based?
Steve Nash is a HOFer but its safe to say hes overrated. He has as many MVPs as Shaq Kobe and DWade combined. Let that sink in for a minute. Those 3 guys have a combined 12 championships. They were All Nba Defensive players as well as All Nba offensive players who could will their team to a victory by dropping 40points on any given night. Nash could never do that and if he could it would be immediately irrelevant because his defensive level is on par with James Harden. Harden averaged 36ppg and close to 10 assists his mvp year and didnt even make the finals. Nash like Harden are huge liabilities on the defensive side of the court.
The same reason he never made the finals is the same reason that stockton and malone never won, there was just a better team during that era that they just can’t knock off
@@SkySeduceMe shouldnt won once not even a top 7 player in the league and in 06 the spurs and mavs had a better record. In that case even tony parker could of won mvp
@@Coldskin1 I’m really confused, the sins were mediocre before he got there the first year he comes in and they’re in contention, how does that compare to tony Parker who was a totally different player?
LOW is so damn stupid to say Steve Nash is just a system player when you realize that he was the system. Just like Tom Brady in football, he made the system of that team work and successful.
Nash could score at will. An the fact that he still put his team first. Said alot to how great he was! With his shot, his craftiness, an ability to score from anywhere. Nash could of easily gave teams a 30 piece nugget on a nightly basis...PERIOD!
There is no argument for Kobe deserving the mvp over Steve Nash in 06. I'm tired of hearing people saying that. Finally someone talking about Dirk as the most obvious candidate, although I still believe Nash deserved it. Mike D'Antoni is one of the most overrated coaches in NBA history. If you look at his coaching career, his "system only works when he has a star guard to facilitate it. The narrative of Steve Nash being a system player is false. He made that system. In 06, Steve Nash lost his second best player for the entire season along with multiple injuries to many other important player son the team, Steve Nash still managed to get a top 4 record in the NBA. He also did this while leading the league in assists, having his mist points per game of his career and having one of the most efficient shoot years ever going 52/44/92. Steve Nash is a top 5 point guard all time. Maybe top 3. He is no where near overrated
Can't rly blame steve nash for being part of a system because you can use that argument for any player. If you are the star player of a team the system is essentially designed around you and its the matter of how you utilise it. Tbh Nash is probably underrated for what he achieved under that system when you look at what James Harden is doing right now.
At that time the WC was so damn stacked! To say he's overrated just because they didn't make the finals is harsh given the elite teams that were around back then. Yes 2 MVPs is a stretch but that team was so good and so great to watch and he was the linchpin of the offence. He is probably one of the best shooters in NBA history (50/40/90 career is elite!) one of the best passers in NBA history and had one of the greatest basketball minds at the time. Nash was a hall of fame player no doubt!
No way my man balled out in his 30s! Okay maybe he got more assists because of the system he played in but come on he was a very consistent shooter !!!, come on my man Steve is a legend 💯
I really don't feel like Nash is overrated. He was very consistent, even late in his career. Sure the Suns system helped, but Nash was still a very good player in Dallas and L.A. Without Nash the Suns would not have been as great as they were. If he had stayed in Dallas he might have had a chance to win a ring there too(ik he didn't win in Phoenix but he had chances) Every body has a way they like to play, you can't criticize him for that. And he won MVP not because of his raw stats, he won because of the huge impact. Not saying him not winning a ring isn't on him at all, but he did have some unfortunate circumstances people might not know about. Watch Mike Korzemba's vid for more info on that
It's simple their record drastically improved by 33 games with Nash from the year before and they didn't run a set offense it was up to Nash to create offense as he would decide either through pick and roll , driving to the basket and dishing or scoring himself just as a true point guard should . That first MVP season they were eliminated after Joe Johnson ( a major piece of the offense and teams success ) suffered a major injury fracturing his eye socket in the playoffs against Dallas keeping him out of the first 2 games of the Western Conference Finals against the Spurs and the Suns loosing those two home games and the series in 5 . Johnson just wasn't the same when he returned . The second MVP season Nash lost All Star Amar'e Stoudemire and his 26 ppg and 8.9 rebounds to injury 3 games into the season and still managed a career-best 18.8 points per game and he had one of his most efficient seasons shooting the ball while leading the league with 10.5 assists per game and helped six of his teammates average career-highs in scoring and led the Suns to 54 wins but it was a tall task to defeat that 67 win team in Dallas missing his All Star power forward or who knows how that season could have ended . So no he wasn't overrated , he produced ! He just lost major components those 2 seasons and is deserving of his Hall of Fame induction and is one of the major reasons for the change in the offensive game today !
I never really watched him so I can’t really speak on that but from what I hear from him to me it just sounds like the better teammates he has the better he is but he has a certain point of how bad he can get cuz he is one of those players where he needs the team to be really that good so yea that’s all I can say I guess
D’Antoni taking the Warriors superteam to 7 games in the WCF and losing because his entire team chocked was a more impressive achievement than most teams finals runs. Suns in 2021 for instance.
The Chi-Town Hero well believe it or not I barely here anyone mentions Steve Nash where I live but man I agree with you especially Moses Malone he’s so underrated but his impact was undeniable, he was a superstar
Carmelo Anthony is overrated. Kid ain’t even a top 100 player of all time, maybe not even top 250, he is trash. Even with his prime years when he was unquestionably GREAT at basketball, he was trash in terms of his impact and achievement in the league. He is also a pretty awful human being. Such a waste of talent, his career when you look back on it has been a joke. Fluffed up stats on bad teams, no will to win, selfish, petty money chaser.
@@tribj001 pretty awful human being? man shut yo ass up. do you know melo personally? Smh not top 100 player when did you start watching basketball smh
KE TV James Bird Dr j Baylor Pippen Barry Worthy Kd that will move up much more since still in the middle of his prime Kawhi can righteously be considered better than melo I don't really know if it's correct to say Dominique is better than melo but it's a reasonable contender for the 10 th spot. Giannis is showing all the signs that he will be way superior than melo. So there you go it's possible to say that melo isn't top 10 Though I admit it's a bit of a stretch
Those Phoenix suns were constructed with inside knowledge from Mr Colangelo who was the chairman of teams operations att and one of the leads of the NBA rule changes comettee in the early 2000s. They built the team to take an early advantage of the changes to come, that's why they seemed like they were ahead of their time, and the reason many think Nash is not as good as it seems since his game benefited the most from those advantages.
Nash was one of my favorite players back in the day. The biggest complaint on his career was his MVP’s and defense. He deserved the first MVP. The team didn’t work without him. The second is questionable. I would say if he was more aggressive offensively he could have had a better career. He was a good shooter, just passive.
Shaq in '05, and Kobe in '06, SERIOUSLY, didn't deserve to win MVPs; even if Nash hadn't of won them. Let's not forget that the HEAT were in a weak Eastern Conference, Shaq was past the tipping point, in his decline phase (even in '05), and it's not like Shaq had one of his better seasons. Above anything, he had JUST been a huge part as to why a dynasty was broken up. You want to reward him right after that happened? MVP to guy who walked away from winning, to winning on something closer to on his own terms? That's not selfish? Kobe in '06, sure, he had a great year. But any greater than LeBron the same year? I don't see it. And as goes with Shaq, this was less than 2 years after Kobe refused to continue on as Shaq's sidekick (as he said to Phil Jackson), breaking up a dynasty for personal reasons. I don't see why you'd want to honor either completely selfish players. Of note, Shaq (and Kobe) always get on Nash for winning that MVP, yet, why can't Shaq ever go after the year A.I. won it? Shaq was at his absolute best then! Is it easier to do because A.I. has all of the street cred in the world, so that wouldn't be too cool? I think I know why Shaq (and Kobe) go after Nash, and it's because he's an easier target (who's not viewed as being as cool as A.I.).
Cmon a finals appearance when you know we got hoed in against the spurs in the wcf nash was cooking that whole series and the team was giving san antonio work and when even refs from that game said they were told to favor the spurs in calls like cmon bro also how is your argument for nash being overrated is his time in dallas when in dallas he was at best the 3rd scoring option behind dirk and finley his job was basically to set up and shoot off them
OMG!!!!!!!!!! I was done at the 1:17 mark when you said Steve Nash was overrated. Stop making videos and polling people who dont know anything about basketball. Steve Nash beat dirk, kobe and tim duncan in the playoffs. How can you be overrated when you are beating all time greats in the playoffs? Lets talk facts, when he was with dallas they made the WCF against the spurs and Dirk got hurt in game 3 and missed the rest of the series. He goes to the suns at team that won 28 games and were then a 58 win team and once again got to the WCF and guess what he had no Joe Johnson who broke his face in the dallas series. The suns didnt want to pay joe johnson, que richardson and steven hunter so all those dudes are gone. Amare gets hurt and crazy thing is they still make the WCF and he beat kobe in the process after Kobe was up 3-1 and to add to it Steve Nash made kobe quit in game 7. Kobe was called out for quitting and had to go on TnT to defend himself. Lets please talk about the 2007 Western semi finals. The series where for some reason the suns player get suspended for leaving the bench but for some reason tim duncan and bruce bowen dont get suspended after elson dunks on james jones and they get off the bench quickly after they bump chests. Do you realize that every team in the 2000's ruffed up steve nash in the playoffs. The spurs alone broke his nose, took out one of his eyes and hip checked him into the scorers table with 3 seconds left in the game. Against the lakers Kwame brown checked steve nash on a pick and roll and raja bell shortly clothes lined kobe. I love how Steve Nash is the best point guard in the NBA from 2003-2010 and he is some how overrated. He beat stockton, mike bibby, chauncey billups, tony parker, sam cassell just to note some in the playoffs. A guy who is Mr 50-40-90 for a season and only played better in the playoffs like when he averaged 33 points and 14 assist a game vs the mavs in that playoff series. Im sorry this is a joke of a video.
@@metavita7344 doesn't change the fact that Nash beat him and TD (yes, Nash lost to them as well).. Tim Duncan being the arguably the best PF of all time, with a stacked team and a HoF coach.. Dirk being top 5 -10 PF of all time.. he beat these 2 in the playoffs, yet LoW branded him overrated..
lol. salty suns fans. Spurs won that fair and square. You cant give them credit for wins they didnt get. You dont know the suns would've won those games. Spurs won in 6. And destroyed the jazz and cavs. The best team won that year.
Making some valid points but those Suns teams from 2005-2007 were just not stout enough defensively and they were playing their Kryptonite at that time, the Spurs. Having said that, they came from 1-3 deficit against the Lakers in I think 2005 and Nash was unguardable Also, in 2007 they actually went into the Spurs building in Game 5 and beat them only to lose Amare and Diaw to suspensions in Game 6 at home. So they lose that game at home and then lose in SA in Game 7. That was their year to break through and it was derailed due to a heavy handed rule interpretation. But Nash balled out in that series as well. The year Bibby ran through him he was killing everybody. The Kings ran a version of the Princeton Offense with Pete Carill, its architect, as an Assistant Coach of Rick Adelman. You remember that the Bigs, Vlade Divac and Chris Webber handled the ball a lot and Bibby played off the ball a lot like a two guard. That team played unselfishly and ran a lot of plays to get Bibby clean looks. So yes, he killed Nash but I remember he killed the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in that era as well. Mike was nice. Anyway, I loved Nash's game on the offensive side of the ball and I think he deserves all the credit he gets. As far as two MVPs, who knows? You could have chosen Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, or Dirk or Dwyane Wade in almost any year in that era.
The suspension also included Boris Diaw, Alvin Gentry was the coach in 2010 so he did it without Dantoni, also the reason they say he didn’t have enough help is because normally when a team has a poor defensive PG they have a center in the paint to help cover that up and the suns to this date have never had a good center let’s hope Deandre Ayton changes that and too add on the the lack of help theory he had the Stat injury along side a consistent flow of roster changes and the suns were probably only 6 deep an never had a backup for Nash Sarver traded TONS of draft picks in the Dantoni era including a top 10 pick that was Loul Deng and Rajon Rondo... So Sarver ignorance and the lack of a deep roster is why we never won and the refs didn’t help either saying he’s overrated is ridiculous if not showing up in big moments makes you overrated a lot of players are overrated
Well in all honesty pretty much nobody cares what he has to say. He can't speak proper english, does not know that much about basketball and just keeps on babbling "2K this and 2K that".
Honestly I think Steve Nash is rated appropriately, not overrated. No one speaks of him as if he is top 10 all time or anything. To me he is around top 30-40 all time and arguably a top 10 PG of all time which is impressive. He was amazing in those years in Phoenix, I was a huge fan of his and wish he would have at least made the Finals. It just was never meant to be for him which is a shame. But I never watched the Suns lose and thought that it was because of him. If anything, I think he deserved to win a couple of years and didn't, especially 2007 against the spurs, because losing Amare AND Diaw was a huge reason the lost! I saw that series and they looked like the better team.
Nash could easily be a top 5 PG of all time.. his prime was elite level play. I'd place him behind Magic, Stockton, Robertson, and on par with Steph... I'd take Nash over Thomas, Paul and Kidd.
If being benefited by the the system you play with is a crime a lot of greats have a ton to answer for Also at 15:29 his fourth quarter numbers are proportional to what he did during the first three
If you know basketball, they were gonna beat the San Antonio Spurs but Amare got suspended for stepping on the court during a altercation. He actually truly underrated
@@nashwoods1885 rigged my a$$!!!! Your team choked like they always have....so stop making excuses and man up!!! They were never a championship team....and we were!!!!!
wait isn't the job of the coach have a winning style and the gm to create a team to fits that style? i don't get the argument that he was only in the system, seems more that the coach was able to elevate nashs abilities by playing to his strengths
Can you please do a vid debunking old heads saying players now won't last in the 90s or how they overstate the physicality then and minimize the defence and physicality now.
@@loosenup8152 imagine mj playing today he would probaly average 30 points a game get 8 rebounds and 7 assists get 2 steaks per game and half a block on 40 minutes per game
The words overrated and bust are being overused
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You can argue underperformed, but not overrated.
Yaga James strongly agreed
In my opinion, the Suns system was successful because of Steve Nash, not the other way around. I remember when he got injured and the Suns lost like 9 of the 11 games he sat out. That team wouldn’t have done nearly as much if you replaced him.
Also this man just said the 3rd all time assists leader wouldn’t be a hall of famer if he didn’t win MVP bruh come on.
dcanemone43 mark jackson was previously 3rd in assists, he’s not in the Hall of game and never will be.
It's a great system, if you have one of the best pure point guards of all time. How many could fill that role? Kidd, maybe. Stockton, probably... That's about it.
@Ice Sickle Stockton just didn't have the same run & gun style as Nash. That doesn't mean one is better than the other, but if you put Stockton or Kidd in the system under which Nash thrived, they may not do as well as Nash did it - or as well as they did in their respective offenses for that matter.
Ice Sickle he was definitely better than Stockton. Watch The nba storytellers video on Stockton.
Ice Sickle cuz of Malone not Stockton. Stockton can’t dribble with his left hand. He was never as good as Nash.
Is Legend Of Winning One Of The Most Overrated CZcamsrs of All-Time?
juanharrybear underrated
Nah thats definitely Mike Korzemba🤣💯 bros content is becoming toxic af
Serene ThaDream how what sound dumb 😂😂🤦♂️
DJ Lewis what😕
Nah I'm may not a 100% agree but he made some good points
Y’all say Harden was an undisputed MVP playing in the D’Antoni 2.0 System but act like Nash doesn’t deserve his MVP’s because he’s a “system player” in the same offense.
Smh the hate too real 🤦♂️
I agree. MVP should be given to the MOST IMPACTFUL PLAYER and Nash was just that. Like LBJ is every year. I don't believe Harden was MVP or should ever be do to his consistent lack of effort on defense. Even though LBJ isn't always consistent on defense but he still has a much larger impact in other major areas than Harden . I sometimes feel that if you replace Harden with KD, or a Curry-type you would get a similar result that the Rockets got. Where-as, if LBJ was on the Hawks last year they would at least make it to the playoffs, and I don't believe any other player could do that solo!
Mackenzie Macdonald Preach brother man
If you put harden and Nash 1v1 harden will destroy Nash on both sides of the ball rebounds everything. Nash is overrated because he is an average guy passing the ball to above average (ability wisely) nba players does absolutely nothing impressive NOTHING he understands angles and how to get his teammate a high quality shot but those shots came through constant motion not because they had to double team Nash but through motion and double teams on amare... the lakers probably had to double because they had smush Parker at PG
@@SkySeduceMe Can I get you to come to my daughters birthday party? The last clown cancelled
@@Mikeyboyx12 lol that was good actually 🤣
Ok, I don’t want to be that guy, but the MVP is a regular season award.
So True. LOW IS SO STUPID.
Yes but being the mvp should translate to the postseason
Andy22 He still very good in playoffs
Ik it was more just about the original comment
But being an MVP caliber player means you should melt in the post season...WTF!
Honestly, I feel like Steve Nash is one of the most underrated players in NBA history...
SUPER SAMMICH How is he underrated? He won 2 MVPs and is called an all time great. Not everyone is over or underrated, some people are appropriately rated.
ADAJ3 A lot of people, like LOW, and a very salty Shaq, say that he did not deserve any of his MVP's or awards, and that he benefited from a Mike D'Antoni system, and changed rules. How many times have you heard that Shaq or Kobe deserved to win it over Nash?
ADAJ3 if Steve Nash is really being called an all time great they've really lowered there standards on what they considered an all time great that was a word we reversed players like magic bird Jordan etc
hes not underrated but i cant say hes overrated either.
Meek exactly
This is the most UNDERRATED player of ALL TIME!!!!!
3rd all time in assists.. He averaged 9.4 assists per game throughout his career in Phoenix alone.
Led the league in assists 5 times, essentially dominating the passing game in the 2000's.
Ninth all time in 3 point shooting percentage and he wasn't even a specialized shooter.
4 seasons where Nash recorded 40% from 3, 50% from the field and 90% from the line... and was one free throw shy of 5.. most all time by far.
The best free throw shooter in the history of the game at 90.43% which is unheard of.
But the BIGGEST reason why he was underrated wasn't his stats.. but the way he played the game.. there will never be a more intelligent, cunning and artistic guard like him ever again.. his no looks, behind the backs and through opponent leg passes are strange to this sport.. he's really only appreciated by soccer fans because his play is reminiscent of Lionel Messi, just absolute brilliance every time he touched the basketball.
For fuck sake he gave Stoudemire perfect passes with his head and feet at the 2005 slam dunk contest.
And even more, he was a ruthless sniper from beyond the arc... Every time this man shot a 3 it didn't just go in, he swished it... The ONLY REASON Steph Curry is even a thing is because Nash didn't style his game after the three point shot... because if Steve actually looked to style his game as a shooter rather than a passer he would have probably been hailed as the best shooter in history and Steph would have been what James is to Jordan.. an afterthought.
He was such a perfect shooter in fact that when he would miss a free throw (usually in an out the rims) the crowd and announcers would be stunned that it was possible... I'd trust Nash taking a shot over Steph, and he wasn't even a shooter.
Most Underrated player BY FAR... it's not even close, the only reason he never won a ring was playing for really really shit defensive teams.
So Nash is Harden without the massive points 🤷🏽♂️😂 relax Nash was amazing not didn’t deserve the 2nd MVP but still a great PG.
he’s not saying that people r dating he’s better than he actually is he’s not as great as everyone thinks
They both are different... one was mad efficient with his shooting who delivered 10+ assists in his prime years while the other gives crazy volume scoring with good assists & good post D...
RazorRamon Nash is Stockton without the defence or efficiency.
@Austen Hernandez even though I think Nash > Stockton (it’s a better comparison no doubt)
N8ve Jay fair enough, either way it’s just another example of a passing guard getting no love.
Calling Steve Nash overrated is probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. If anything Nash is underrated because people forget how good he was in his prime.
And he didn't make the NBA Finals because he isn't that great.
Nicholas Katsikas no u
- TJ no that was on Phoenix’s front office being cheap and not signing back Joe Johnson on a long term contract. Johnson was so important to that team because of his spacing and ability to slow the game down in iso situations.
@@nicholaskatsikas4904 it's like you didn't even watch the video. They couldn't match the contract the hawks offered him
@@tj-23 they were in the West. That's all that needs to be said.
I agree with you except the fact that if you take away Nash’s MVPs he’s not a HOFer. He’s still 8x All-Star, 7x All-NBA, 5x Assist Leader. That’s HOF worthy. Especially if a guy like Reggie Miller is getting in being a 5x All-Star and 3x All-NBA (all 3rd team) in 18 seasons.
Underrated post!
"(player 1) must be HOF caliber cause (player 2) is and he had less (x) statistically than (player 1)" If we use that logic, anyone more accomplished than the least accomplished player in the HOF should make it in.
Chris Hessian the basketball HOF compared to the other professional leagues is easier to get into. I only used Reggie as an example because those who’ve watched LOW’s videos know he already did a video on Reggie Miller. The man averaged 18-3-3 lol.
The example doesn't matter. I'm only commenting on the reasoning you use. Every player who averaged over 18-3-3 should be in the HOF? Obviously not. The standards are low for the HOF, but they'd be even lower if everyone was put in based on comparing them statistically to another HOFer. Context, ya know?
Not to mention Nash is the leader for the 50/40/90 club over Larry Bird, Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, etc.
Dude is a top 5 playmaker and debatably top 5 shooter of all time. There's no question he'd still be a HOF candidate.
"He NeEvEr MaDe thE FinAls sO He'S OvErRatEd"
stfu
meta vita stfu
He made one with the warriors
@@trollbrochina ....
@@trollbrochina you must've been high
Talk about systems? Kobe didn't win without the Triangle offense, nor did MJ. So what are we really talking about here?🤔
Tony Cook ur ignorance is super strong lol haha. Like hardcore they didn’t fully use the triangle it was at most a couple of plays sorry try again . N the pace the suns played gave a lot more posseions. No way in hell u would think of. Nash as a top 20 guard
Nestor Cuero bro ur crazy Nash was the system without Nash that Phoenix team isn’t anything he made that team a great team he was the most valuable player in the league stop hating bro ur the one that sounds ignorant and Kobe and Michael did flourish from that system but that shouldn’t be used to discredit any of these guys so stop and do not say he’s not a top 20 guard what other guard has ever aged his number in that era that was also heavily about grit and defense cmon bro stop hating
But they put up HOF numbers with or without the triangle.
Mary Akopyan didn’t win nothing without the triangle
Triangle offense hurt MJ and Kobe’s numbers, without the triangle MJ have absolute monsters numbers. Son you are comparing a system that hurts a players numbers but win champions vs a system helps player number with no rings
Naaaaa. The player that holds the record for most 50-40-90 seasons is overrated? Na...questioning his MVP’s because he didn’t make it to the finals is like questioning hardens mvp. Nash is also one of the best free throw shooters. Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends with these type of videos. Every player has a bad game/series. What’s next? Kobe or MJ is overrated?
Nash was a fucking wizard, he honestly wouldve done so well in the current NBA.
"Let’s please stop disrespecting our legends" Well said. But they want clicks. That's what click whores want.
That's because the NBA now is an offensive centered game and all about numbers.
@@Comptonx187
Took his team from 29 wins to 62 with no other major additions, he shot around 50+/45/90+ from the field, he averaged a dozen assists, he didn't turn the ball over.
@@Comptonx187
The last two MVP's had trouble shooting 40% from the field & both averaged about 6 turnovers a piece. 6 fucking turnovers. Nash averaged the same assist numbers with half the turnovers.
We should be embarrassed about letting stat padders & losers win MVP. Russell's MVP is much more embarrassing & far less deserved than Steve's.
Hell no . Steve Nash and overrated should never be used in the same sentence .
steve nash isn't overrated; that could be a sentence xD
Judas cry about it.
Dank Funny he's not.
Arthur Noragami ??? Weeboo who watches Nba just like me 😳
+Arthur P. You literally have Steve Nash and overrated in the same sentence.
Bro, he had 10 straight seasons running top 10 offenses (most of the time top 5 offenses) in offensive rating. God damn dude sometimes just running down the fucking court and getting into the offense is the MOST valuable activity one could do. See Chris Paul
Nash benefited from the NBA rule changes in the early 2000’s. When once the league started making the game more guard friendly, his stats went on an up swing.
Is he ranked a bit too high in some circles? I could see the argument.
But one of the most overrated players? I wouldn’t go that far.
Then so has every other superstar in their primes from the mid 2000’s and on
@@jesussaves21 the game was made easier for perimeter players. It’s documented and exactly what the NBA wanted.
"Steve Nash was the system"
He created the system in Phoenix that is the prototype for what many teams do now. It's just that Nash didn't have enough shooters around him. If Joe Johnson stayed, they would have won titles. Just one more gun and that would have put them over the top. Coaching and the GM's mistakes are why Nash didn't get over the hump.
Dantoni doing the same shit with harden. But harden is way more talented than nash could ever hope to be
So is Tim Duncan overrated because he was a system player his whole career even though he was very talented? How about Harden he thrives in a similar system to Nash and won an MVP, so he’s also overrated?
Is Steph Curry overrated because he’s a 2x MVP? When everyone who truly understands the NBA knows that Curry has never been the best player - Lebron was and still is. Also, James Harden and Westbrook didn’t lead their teams to the finals in their MVP seasons so are they both now overrated?
Duncan was legit dominant. I can’t name 3 power forwards Ide take over Duncan. In fact he might be the best ever. But with Nash I can name Atleast 8
Airgens Nash was a winner as well. Nash arrives in Phoenix they go from a 29 win team to a 62 win team and make the WCF.
But if you are using the term “winning” to mean championships then yeah, you’re right, Duncan was a winner compared to Nash. But I’ll ask again, if not winning a championship makes Nash overrated then are Westbrook, Harden and CP3 all overrated too?
BLOCKED BY JAMES Tim Duncan thrived because of the system Popovich put in place, thereby making him a “system player”
But I think you missing my point. I’m in no way saying Duncan wasn’t a great player. I’m simply making the argument that if Nash is labeled as overrated because of the reasons LOW gave, then shouldn’t other players who fall into those categories similar to Nash also be considered overrated?
Garrett Corn no because Duncan was great right away it took Nash nearly a decade to be great and just overall Duncan is a better basketball. Duncan outside of SA would be the same player with a different uniform
Garrett Corn His argument wasn’t making the finals in your mvp seasons. Both Harden and Westbrook made it to finals with OKC.
Steve Nash was an absolute stud! He was crazy efficient and efficiency is a widely underrated and under appreciated aspect to the game.
Overrated
Why are people always making this hard? You ask how Nash never made it to an NBA Finals but won 2 regular season MVPs. Easy. Basketball is a team game, MVP is an individual award, and a regular season award at that, when they don't go all out on defense and they pace themselves. Yes, I know how all of you want to create this narrative that a truly great player can do most of the heavy lifting himself, but history has shown that nobody, not even MJ, was able to do it by themselves.
We just gave the award to Westbrook. And Harden. Post season chokers. Why are we wondering about Nash? We have a well-documented history of giving that trophy to the undeserving, and often to someone who is NOT the best player in the league that season. So why should Nash be any different?
I think Amare was like......always injured in the post season.
You're wrong 🙄
Johnte Roper nigga barely beat kobe and a d league roster fuck off lls
And some years Nash was injured too. And they STILL routinely made conference finals appearances in the west. During this time period the suns would have killed almost any eastern conference team they played, D'Antoni just could never outcoach Pop (0-7 in playoff series agiesnt pop lol)
Amare miss his second mvp run miss the whole damn season and playoffs soooooo
Ballin Too but they did beat kobe and a d league team so whats your argument 😐
Just because he didn’t make the finals u think he’s overrated wow low
@@Comptonx187 they didn't get screwed by the refs twice
@@Comptonx187 you don't win a chip every year some years we got injuries some we underperformed. What I am trying to say is those two years everything went well we had a big chance to win a ring but the nba desides to fuck us
Spurs always exposed overrated nash in the playoffs and nash not fit post up player teammate always pick and roll his plays
vGoatifiedKing I guess Nash not making the finals is somehow 100% his fault 💁♂️
Nah he just is .... screens screens pass to an all star screen screen pass to an all star screen screen oh they doubled my all star should I shoot oh my other all star is open pass. Rondo did it better and he didn’t get an mvp for it
Nash was the rare combination of super efficiency (50/40/90) and incredible passing. That made all his teams very hard to stop.
They lost. Seems like they were always stopped 😂
@@ThaGhettoBlaster league's best record in Nash's first MVP season. 62-20, sounds like a lot of winning to me
And couldn’t score ?
@@tallkc2072what about the playoffs?
@@spoodyR3 19ppg on 50/40/90 is great for a point guard lmao
He went to the western conference finals 6 times when that conference was arguably the strongest it has ever been
Okay so first off, I like you and your videos. But I have to be HONEST here.
Steve Nash might be a little overrated, but you make it sound like he is a damn scrub. Nash was one of the most unlucky players in history (2005 agiesnt the Spurs, Amare's neck injury in the 2007 playoffs, his own thigh injury in 2008). He also consistently made the WCF in the West, which during that time period was essentially the NBA finals when you consider the talent gulf between east and west. Is it his fault that he was on a top 3 team every year that simply wasn't quite the best? Would you have taken his team over the supporting cast of the Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, or Rockets, not to mention the half dozen other secondary contenders. Is it his fault that Mike D'Antoni was notorious for his HORRIBLE playcalls and choices in the clutch, to the point where it was a meme how he could never beat Pop (he still never has btw). Nash was the top point guard in the league for 5 years and consistently preformed in the clutch after the Mavs years. MISS ME with this nonsense.
@Shawn Kemp correct! And it's not like anybody says he is even a top 5 PG of all time... nobody even rates him like that. This vid is a little stupid man.
How can he be overrated when he's not even rated that highly by a lot of ppl?
@Shawn Kemp mayyybe at a push. I think some combo of Magic, Big O, IT, Stockton, Curry, Kidd, West, and CP3 will usually crowd him out of the top 5 tho. Personally I have him in the 5-7 range
@Shawn Kemp its True, and the failures were way more about injuries, bad luck and other great teams than Nash's shortcomings. There are only a couple PG's in history who could dream of running that offense with Nash's efficiency, and most players got noticeably worse after leaving Nash. He didn't even MENTION efficiency because he knows how dead his argument would be of he did lol
@Shawn Kemp and I HOPE I see the video calling out CP3 for being " overrated" bc he can't make the finals if he is using that criteria to diminish Nash.
never getting to the finals is definitely a stain on his legacy but when he gets criticized for being one of the weakest mvp winners of all time and sometimes gets labeled as a system player it's kinda hard for him to be overrated
he's a two time mvp one of the three point guards to win it multiple times and he's arguably not even a top 7 point guard that's tough
@@johnc7124 Because he wasn't that good. You're judging him based off of 2 years when he played 18 seasons 🙄
i know he wasn't im saying even tho he has the same amount of mvps as curry,duncan and malone we all know he isn't even the same caliber of player,
@@johnc7124 wait he isn't a top 7 pg of all time?Name 7 pgs better then him. I can name like 4 and debatable on 5 but definitely not 7.
curry,magic,kidd,stockton,west,thomas,cp3,oscar robertson and more arguably westbrook,payton and AI if you count him
Great video mate
I feel like these vids would really benefit from a actual 1on1 debate with someone with opinions countering yours but ether way these vids are great
Just watched why Carmelo was overrated from Mike 😂
lol me too
Me as well lol
general jay 7 same lol
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general jay 7 our childhoods being ruined
Calling Nash overrated!??! Yea you trippin. Why because he was team first? Make no mistake, the only hit aginst nashes game an legacy was his defense. But not for lack of trying. So please...stop with the disrespect. Because Nash was top 5 point guard all throughout his prime. If he wasn't? Name the 5 pgs over him. An I'll gladly step back an shut up.
Kyrie
@@Skykid6 no chip ok? But I ask again. Name five pgs in nashes era that where better than him? You can't an if you tried. You'd be gettin called a l Liar! by every person who knows even a little about basketball. An again his defense wasn't horrible. He just wasn't athletic enough to stay with the athletic pgs. An he didn't win a chip. Ok are you sayin that makes him a bad pg? But regardless he's a hall of fame all time great pg! That didn't go runnin just because he didn't win a chip.👊 BTW, 2 BACK TO BACK MVPS...not to shabby if ya ask me?
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Oscar Robertson & Bob Cousy??
Great names, dumb argument; OP wins.
Magic, Curry, Oscar Robertson, Stockton, Pistons Isaiah Thomas,
Skykid6 he said top 5 in the league when he played, not all time. Read.
Dayum man! Your content is underrated.
In that 2009 season coach Porter tried to make the suns a defensive team, and all suns fans know that Nash and Amar'e, the teams best players, were not defensive players. And Porter was definitely lacking in the offensive side of the ball. Nash was never the type of player that had the killer instinct. If you're a stats guy, of course you would want him to shoot more because he was so effecient but we all know stats don't tell the whole truth. He was a team first player, he made everyone better with his passing. Even at the latter of his career, the suns were a .500 team during a lock out season, to a 25 win team once he left.
if anything steve nash is underrated and heavily disrespected
Facts, this dude is one of the greatest PG of all time. Its sad that people dont appreaciate him more smh steve nash will always be a legend tho
Christian Hernandez facts he is like top 5 or 3 all time he just gets disrespected and gets hated for getting mvp over Kobe which is bs but rip to Kobe though
Properly Overrated*
You talk about how good his team mates were on offense, yet you never talked about how much better every teams offense got when they signed Nash. So many logical fallacies in this video? Harden still hasn't been to the finals, yet hes not considered over rated?
Well actually harden did make it to the finals when he was the 6th man for okc but during his MVP run nah
This video is so disingenuous. The dude wants to argue against the notion that the suns were "cheap" and shows that they were actually 7th in salary(65 million) in 07, but hides the fact the the 3rd highest team...aka his lakers (77 million) had a payroll of almost 12 million more than the suns! You know who had 12 million less than the suns? The 27th place New Orleans (53 million). The suns in regards to salary were pretty close to the median for the league. So yes, when it came to building a championship team, the suns were in fact kind of cheap.
I never expected the suns to win anything any year because I know Nash was just regular season sauce just like harden but harden wasn’t bestowed mvp over somebody else that deserved it like this years mvp was either giannis or bron what if they gave it to... never mind it doesn’t compare Nash is such a weak mvp ability wise it’s hard to compare to harden who can do so much more with his body. Nash never was the best basketball player in the world for 1 year that’s what mvp means to me it’s like performance is one thing but who is clearly the best basketball player side by side Nash was never the best or top 5 in those years he won... his team won but Nash walking on the court and Kobe or lebron walking on the court even Larry bird walking on the court or ai walking on the court is just different.
Clot-in-Eye Joe the gms finessed a lot of players
Harden is definitely overrated
Remember when Steve Nash was bleeding asf and still no foul?
Ye, he's totally overrated
I remember watching it live on TV.
I wasn't going to watch this video because I have always thought Nash was overrated. SDC did a video on this video, so I wanted to check it out. This is a super good video with great detail. One thing I may have added at the end is suggesting what other PG's of the same era may have done with the Suns.
I think your arguing that he underachieved for a multiple time MVP winner
Coolhands444 yh he underachieved that’s y he is overrated people put his name in a lot of talk with the great pgs
@Shawn Kemp James who
Shawn Kemp we talking bout career right
Not even a top ten pg all time sorry
Nestor Cuero you trippin
Steve Nash is not overrated. I can see why people say he's overrated but he is not overrated at all. Give some respect to a legend. Bust and overrated is constantly used in sports media too much
Jay Wagner yeh I don’t think he’s overrated I just think he did not deserve those two mvps that he won they were much more deserving to guys like Kobe, wade, shaq, kg
The voting the reason he won mvps. He almost won 3 Mvps🤦. 06. The spurs and mavs had better records and nash not even a superstar.
@@ytvas6271 Nobody's winning an MVP without making the playoffs nowadays.
@Fries he was def 05 mvp, 06 he won mvp cuz the suns where putting almost the same production without there second best player
@Fries dirk deserve mvp in 06, nut nash def deserve in 05. 07 he was second in voting and barely lost the award
You say he's over rated for not making the finals yet you're saying how historically great that western conference was
I like the vid and the argument(s), so I gotta ask. I too have a James Harden jersey in my closet, James Harden also flourished under the Coach D’Antoni systems, has disappeared in playoff series, and is currently in the running for his 2nd mvp. Would you consider him to be overrated or a system player? What’s your opinion on him?
stoic romulan true, but one thing I feel about harden games or at least the development of it, is that it is a product of the nba currently. From the officials’ rulings to analysts’ stats (I.e. win shares, less twos more threes etc), harden has flourished. In a different era we’d see the same Harden making the rulings and stats of that time advantageous for himself. Don’t you agree? At the base of his game, he’s still an all star if not superstar. I see the system player part of Harden, but overrated. We don’t really overate him, because we still hold him accountable for the playoffs chokes, defense, drawing fouls , step back travels etc. The mvp is a season award and in last season he and Houston did their thing.
Take away his two mvps but at the end of the day he’s a top 5 playmaker and top 5 shooter of all time. (Shooter not scorer!) You can’t say that about anyone else
Real Spiel take away those mvps and we aren’t even talking about him.... that’s what this is about the things that make him relevant to media I feel was given to him definitely the second time he should not have won 2.. because he won 2 back to back is the only reason we talk about him because deep down everybody knows that’s a miracle.
Carl Bridgewater Steve Nash has other accomplishments that he is still remembered for today such as having the most 50-40-90 seasons
Melanie Santos like having 4 seasons of them the most ever
Melanie Santos which is an irrelevant statistic just so we can talk about people like Steve Nash
Carl Bridgewater irrelevant is not the right word. If you’re on a list with player such as Dirk, KD, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Mark Price, and Steph you’re doing something right. Even you can score 20 points by yourself in an empty gym but you still wouldn’t be as efficient as those guys in an actual game
Should have made his first finals in 07' but he and the suns got royally screwed.
Yes other than the Scottie Pippen, New York Knicks bogus call, 07 was the biggest screw over of all time. Definitely would've went to the finals without those unwarranted suspensions. Everyone remembers that BS.
rash b don’t forget the Sacramento kings vs La Lakers in WCF. And the 06 Mavericks vs Heat finals. Might be even bigger than the ones you mentioned. Crazy.
Roberto Guevera Great call on Sacramento vs LA! Forgot about that. The only reason I wouldn't do 06 Mavs vs Heat is because Dwayne Wade became the aggressor in that series when he took over. Refs always tend to start to favor the aggressor individually, and Dallas became kind of passive. But that one's arguable, Sacramento getting robbed along with Phoenix and Chicago definitely not.
rash b game three is where they got robbed. So yes. You need to include it. The “aggressor” got calls that were unbelievable. And that carried for the rest of the series.
Roberto Guevara Lol, I can't deny any of what you're saying. I admit to being a little biased on this one because I was telling people Wade would a championship before Lebron since they were rookies. So even thought I wanted Dirk to get his first, I wanted to be proven right. I am guilty on that one. But unbiased on all the rest :)
This video made me remember just how crazy talented the NBA was in the early 00's.
Would love to see a video on Dr. J, whether he was overrated, underrated, key etc. thumbs up!
Tbh I think LOW is making these vids simply to make a vid. And these type of vids typically get a lot of views too.
i mean he is one those players like tmac, pierce,AI and miller who dont get a lot of criticism and are over embellished alot
Coolhands444 I think all of these guys who do videos like this do. It's sad cause the majority of little kids gonna believe this. I remember after that "spacing" video I would go through Dawkins comments and kids was like "Kobe did that with no spacing"
DJ no ppl don't even think Nash deserved his MVPs
he had a point tho about how just having floor spacers makes it easier to score and gonna be honest not to be offensive but most guys who are warriors and steph curry fans are more commonly "kids" which is fine we all where at one point
DJ true he did have a point, but a lot of them don't even be knowing what they talking about. They just hear it and start typing. I'm 20 and been a Curry fan since the 2012-2013 season bro
He was the best pg in the league for how long? I guess by the same logic of never making a Finals Chris Paul is overrated and Jason Kidd was a better player than him? Your tripping the man pioneered a style of bssketball that didn't exist at the time. Other players have done it better since but they had Steve Nash to learn from, he was the first "efficient ball dominant guard " to push the pace of play. His teammate are not in the same category as Kobe and Duncan's who won 10 championships over the span of Nash carrier Bottomline he ran into better players with more talented teams. I'm not even a fan but I get tired of people pushing this narrative that if you don't win a ring your some trash ass athlete who never amounted to anything. Its the reason why guess like Durant make punk moves because of the judgement that's passed on them by fans and the media. Also since when is it a bad thing to excel in a system set up by your coaching staff? I thought that was their job to put you in a position to succeed. Now he's not one of the most efficient players the league has ever seen he's a role player playing in a good system come on. MVP is a regular season award FYI it has nothing to do with finals and championships. The Sun's went wherever Nash took then that's why he was MVP because on the back of a 30 year old 6 foot something guard that looked like he should of been in dental school the sun's out up multiple 50 plus win seasons.
Megalodon Unlocked finals mvp isn’t the real mvp lmao Igoudala won
The suns system changed the game not Nash lol I’d take isiah Thomas I’d take almost every pg in the league now over Nash .
Chris Paul broke through with Phoenix
Cmon man my fav player of all time is not overrated if anything he is underrated
I remember that MVP race. It was between Nash and Kobe. Kobe was playing hero ball but the Lakers were in the bottom half of the playoff picture. Nash's team was at the top of the conference
If Steve Nash overrated then Chris Paul and John Stockton overrated as well
Bartholomuew Try ski John Stockton is my favorite point guard but people said he used to just pass to malone down low and hope he scored lol That's why malone is second in scoring all time and first in free throws made.
Stockton made the nba finals back to back. he just ran into the goat.
Are we really that certain that the Jazz would've beaten the Heat and/or Pacers?
Chris Paul could do way more on the court than Nash
Carl Bridgewater Paul had more talent around him and still where Nash is at.
How can you be overrated when everyone keeps talking trash about you all the time. Nash was a great player and probably in that second level of superstars. Hes better than a lot of players that people claim are better than him. Its ridiculous that anyone thinks hes overrated.... only people that think that are the kobestani radicals that defaced Lebron's mural and believe that Nash stole MVPs from the 8th seeded Kobe.
Everyone stays on Nash’s nuts I nvr hear anyone say anything bad about him. If anything Melo is underrated he used to be overrated but everyone acts like he’s trash now💀
Andwele Castleberry watch an episode of open court they kill steve nash for those two MVP'S
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Melo is trash... teams get worse when he joins them. The opposite is true with steve Nash... he joined a 20 win team and took them to 60 wins
As for his MVPs I vividly remember Kobe being the best player in the league both those years...Dirk was also better than Nash those 2yrs
Kobe the best player in '05? Lmao
@@forman208 duh everyone knows this....mvps usually go to the best player on the best team which was the suns that year..Kobe was way better than nash
@Puffin FromYT More efficient? I guess if youre not counting defense..Which in that case im sure alot of people were. But as an all around player hell no..its actually not even close tbh
But when it comes to championships, you have to remember the time Nash was basically thrown into the ad blocks and Amar'e and Shawn were both injured
Steve Nash should’ve made the finals and should’ve won a chip. When Robert Horry threw Nash into the scorers table at game 4 of the 2007 WCF Amar’e Stoudemire (Who, might I add, was on the All-NBA First Team that year) and Boris Diaw (Extremely Versatile do-it all Player who averaged 8 points to go along with 4 rebounds and four assists) got suspended from game 5 because they got on the court (didn’t even participate in the ensuing fight) and because of this the Suns got beat in game 5, on their own home court, by 3 points. It’s fair to say that with Stoudemire they would’ve won that game 5 bringing them up 3-2 and even if they still lost game 6 they probably would have won game 7 on their home court. They were a better team than the Spurs, who beat the Cavs in 4, so it’s fair to say they were a better team than the Cavs as well, and probably would have trashed them in 4-6 games. Also, while it is fair to say Dirk and LBJ could have won the MVP in ‘07 there was no way Nash didn’t deserve it in ‘06, cause back then the MVP was less of a stat based award and more a storyline/win/affect on team award, and that was a year Nash changed a 20 win team to a 62 win one, while putting up great stats and changing the way the game was played. Also, like I said it was less a statline and more a storyline based NBA, so saying Kobe should have won in ‘06 is really dumb considering his team won less games than WBs in ‘17 despite having the same level, if not less help, and the storyline would have been ‘Kobe can’t win without Shaq, let’s shit hit the floor, blows 3-1 lead’ and you might say that the MVP is a regular season award, and if that’s so why are most if not all of your anti-MVP points playoff based?
Saying he choked doesn’t excuse the fact that Amar’e could’ve come up clutch Amar’e was seen as a streaky player
Wasn’t
How can u say a team was better than a team they lost to in 7 games makes no sense the better team always wins
What you do in the regular season should be carried over
Wait 05-06 Kobe with Kwame Brown was on the same level as that suns team?
Can you do a video on D Wade pls
wtf?
Static Shook ??
Static Shook ?
Static Shook u think d Wade overrated??! Or u just want a video on d Wade
Or rather put an end to the "who was the best heat player" debate
Steve Nash is a HOFer but its safe to say hes overrated. He has as many MVPs as Shaq Kobe and DWade combined. Let that sink in for a minute. Those 3 guys have a combined 12 championships. They were All Nba Defensive players as well as All Nba offensive players who could will their team to a victory by dropping 40points on any given night. Nash could never do that and if he could it would be immediately irrelevant because his defensive level is on par with James Harden. Harden averaged 36ppg and close to 10 assists his mvp year and didnt even make the finals. Nash like Harden are huge liabilities on the defensive side of the court.
The same reason he never made the finals is the same reason that stockton and malone never won, there was just a better team during that era that they just can’t knock off
Uhm.. Steve Nash was already a superstar/top pointguard on the Mavericks.. it didn't all begin in Phoenix.
Nash was and is a great pg never should have won MVP twice
Nash benefited a lot because of the rules.
@@SkySeduceMe shouldnt won once not even a top 7 player in the league and in 06 the spurs and mavs had a better record. In that case even tony parker could of won mvp
@@Coldskin1 I’m really confused, the sins were mediocre before he got there the first year he comes in and they’re in contention, how does that compare to tony Parker who was a totally different player?
Did mike dantoni take the lakers or Knicks to the esstern or Western conference Finals😂😂😂😂
Nope
Haha excellent point!
LOW is so damn stupid to say Steve Nash is just a system player when you realize that he was the system. Just like Tom Brady in football, he made the system of that team work and successful.
Ummm the rockets?
He took the rockets and came the closest to beating the KD warriors
Do they usually live in the states and citys they play for or do they move around alot
You should do top 10 most underrated players
Nash could score at will. An the fact that he still put his team first. Said alot to how great he was! With his shot, his craftiness, an ability to score from anywhere. Nash could of easily gave teams a 30 piece nugget on a nightly basis...PERIOD!
Steph Nash/Steve Curry
Lol. This man said score at will.
There is no argument for Kobe deserving the mvp over Steve Nash in 06. I'm tired of hearing people saying that. Finally someone talking about Dirk as the most obvious candidate, although I still believe Nash deserved it. Mike D'Antoni is one of the most overrated coaches in NBA history. If you look at his coaching career, his "system only works when he has a star guard to facilitate it. The narrative of Steve Nash being a system player is false. He made that system. In 06, Steve Nash lost his second best player for the entire season along with multiple injuries to many other important player son the team, Steve Nash still managed to get a top 4 record in the NBA. He also did this while leading the league in assists, having his mist points per game of his career and having one of the most efficient shoot years ever going 52/44/92. Steve Nash is a top 5 point guard all time. Maybe top 3. He is no where near overrated
Can't rly blame steve nash for being part of a system because you can use that argument for any player. If you are the star player of a team the system is essentially designed around you and its the matter of how you utilise it. Tbh Nash is probably underrated for what he achieved under that system when you look at what James Harden is doing right now.
No you can’t . Other players have been on the level before charging systems & after.
At that time the WC was so damn stacked! To say he's overrated just because they didn't make the finals is harsh given the elite teams that were around back then. Yes 2 MVPs is a stretch but that team was so good and so great to watch and he was the linchpin of the offence. He is probably one of the best shooters in NBA history (50/40/90 career is elite!) one of the best passers in NBA history and had one of the greatest basketball minds at the time. Nash was a hall of fame player no doubt!
Nope 😂 overrated as hell. If that were Kobe, y’all fools would be crying about it. Nash didn’t live up to the hype
No way my man balled out in his 30s! Okay maybe he got more assists because of the system he played in but come on he was a very consistent shooter !!!, come on my man Steve is a legend 💯
I really don't feel like Nash is overrated. He was very consistent, even late in his career. Sure the Suns system helped, but Nash was still a very good player in Dallas and L.A.
Without Nash the Suns would not have been as great as they were. If he had stayed in Dallas he might have had a chance to win a ring there too(ik he didn't win in Phoenix but he had chances)
Every body has a way they like to play, you can't criticize him for that.
And he won MVP not because of his raw stats, he won because of the huge impact.
Not saying him not winning a ring isn't on him at all, but he did have some unfortunate circumstances people might not know about. Watch Mike Korzemba's vid for more info on that
It's simple their record drastically improved by 33 games with Nash from the year before and they didn't run a set offense it was up to Nash to create offense as he would decide either through pick and roll , driving to the basket and dishing or scoring himself just as a true point guard should .
That first MVP season they were eliminated after Joe Johnson ( a major piece of the offense and teams success ) suffered a major injury fracturing his eye socket in the playoffs against Dallas keeping him out of the first 2 games of the Western Conference Finals against the Spurs and the Suns loosing those two home games and the series in 5 .
Johnson just wasn't the same when he returned .
The second MVP season Nash lost All Star Amar'e Stoudemire and his 26 ppg and 8.9 rebounds to injury 3 games into the season and still managed a career-best 18.8 points per game and he had one of his most efficient seasons shooting the ball while leading the league with 10.5 assists per game and helped six of his teammates average career-highs in scoring and led the Suns to 54 wins but it was a tall task to defeat that 67 win team in Dallas missing his All Star power forward or who knows how that season could have ended .
So no he wasn't overrated , he produced !
He just lost major components those 2 seasons and is deserving of his Hall of Fame induction and is one of the major reasons for the change in the offensive game today !
Imagine if Shaq got hurt and missed the playoffs or Gasol. Kobe wouldn't have any rings either.
I never really watched him so I can’t really speak on that but from what I hear from him to me it just sounds like the better teammates he has the better he is but he has a certain point of how bad he can get cuz he is one of those players where he needs the team to be really that good so yea that’s all I can say I guess
low you forgot about the rule change during that 2004-2006 era
What changed
The amount of times he says "lets just be honest with ourselves" is hilarious
Now you say he better offensively than Kobe.
What team has Dantoni or Don Nelson led to a finals?
D’Antoni taking the Warriors superteam to 7 games in the WCF and losing because his entire team chocked was a more impressive achievement than most teams finals runs. Suns in 2021 for instance.
I don’t think he’s overrated rather he’s underrated I feel like he’s one of the most forgotten mvps
Russell Goatbrook no he’s not, his mvp are consistently brought up, a forgotten mvp would be a Dave Cowens or Moses Malone
The Chi-Town Hero well believe it or not I barely here anyone mentions Steve Nash where I live but man I agree with you especially Moses Malone he’s so underrated but his impact was undeniable, he was a superstar
Well when you have Shaq, Iverson, Kobe, McGrady, Garnett, Duncan and a few others playing at that time, and he wins 2 MVPs, it's kinda insane.
Wth first Mike K says Melo is overrated now you saying Nash is overrated..... Y'all boy killing me this week smh
bigskinny61 the crazy thing is we don’t never look at those two as top 10 top 20 players so they not even overrated
Carmelo Anthony is overrated. Kid ain’t even a top 100 player of all time, maybe not even top 250, he is trash. Even with his prime years when he was unquestionably GREAT at basketball, he was trash in terms of his impact and achievement in the league. He is also a pretty awful human being. Such a waste of talent, his career when you look back on it has been a joke. Fluffed up stats on bad teams, no will to win, selfish, petty money chaser.
youre so wrong he def a top 10 SF
@@tribj001 pretty awful human being? man shut yo ass up. do you know melo personally? Smh not top 100 player when did you start watching basketball smh
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Kd that will move up much more since still in the middle of his prime
Kawhi can righteously be considered better than melo
I don't really know if it's correct to say Dominique is better than melo but it's a reasonable contender for the 10 th spot.
Giannis is showing all the signs that he will be way superior than melo.
So there you go it's possible to say that melo isn't top 10
Though I admit it's a bit of a stretch
Those Phoenix suns were constructed with inside knowledge from Mr Colangelo who was the chairman of teams operations att and one of the leads of the NBA rule changes comettee in the early 2000s. They built the team to take an early advantage of the changes to come, that's why they seemed like they were ahead of their time, and the reason many think Nash is not as good as it seems since his game benefited the most from those advantages.
Nash was one of my favorite players back in the day. The biggest complaint on his career was his MVP’s and defense. He deserved the first MVP. The team didn’t work without him. The second is questionable. I would say if he was more aggressive offensively he could have had a better career. He was a good shooter, just passive.
Shaq in '05, and Kobe in '06, SERIOUSLY, didn't deserve to win MVPs; even if Nash hadn't of won them. Let's not forget that the HEAT were in a weak Eastern Conference, Shaq was past the tipping point, in his decline phase (even in '05), and it's not like Shaq had one of his better seasons. Above anything, he had JUST been a huge part as to why a dynasty was broken up. You want to reward him right after that happened? MVP to guy who walked away from winning, to winning on something closer to on his own terms? That's not selfish?
Kobe in '06, sure, he had a great year. But any greater than LeBron the same year? I don't see it. And as goes with Shaq, this was less than 2 years after Kobe refused to continue on as Shaq's sidekick (as he said to Phil Jackson), breaking up a dynasty for personal reasons. I don't see why you'd want to honor either completely selfish players.
Of note, Shaq (and Kobe) always get on Nash for winning that MVP, yet, why can't Shaq ever go after the year A.I. won it? Shaq was at his absolute best then! Is it easier to do because A.I. has all of the street cred in the world, so that wouldn't be too cool? I think I know why Shaq (and Kobe) go after Nash, and it's because he's an easier target (who's not viewed as being as cool as A.I.).
emmapeel38 L. Nash deserved it on '05. Turned a shitty team into a 60 win one with great efficiency.
Shaq and Kobe split because of Kobe, I don't think you can blame Shaq for that
Shaq and Kobe are just more popular to the casual fan, for actual fans, Nash earned those MVP’s
Cmon a finals appearance when you know we got hoed in against the spurs in the wcf nash was cooking that whole series and the team was giving san antonio work and when even refs from that game said they were told to favor the spurs in calls like cmon bro also how is your argument for nash being overrated is his time in dallas when in dallas he was at best the 3rd scoring option behind dirk and finley his job was basically to set up and shoot off them
Great video! Steve Nash was a known choker. No excuse for him to have never made a finals while being a 2 time mvp
Mainly cause the league was rigged for teams like the Lakers and Spurs
OMG!!!!!!!!!! I was done at the 1:17 mark when you said Steve Nash was overrated. Stop making videos and polling people who dont know anything about basketball.
Steve Nash beat dirk, kobe and tim duncan in the playoffs. How can you be overrated when you are beating all time greats in the playoffs?
Lets talk facts, when he was with dallas they made the WCF against the spurs and Dirk got hurt in game 3 and missed the rest of the series.
He goes to the suns at team that won 28 games and were then a 58 win team and once again got to the WCF and guess what he had no Joe Johnson who broke his face in the dallas series. The suns didnt want to pay joe johnson, que richardson and steven hunter so all those dudes are gone. Amare gets hurt and crazy thing is they still make the WCF and he beat kobe in the process after Kobe was up 3-1 and to add to it Steve Nash made kobe quit in game 7. Kobe was called out for quitting and had to go on TnT to defend himself.
Lets please talk about the 2007 Western semi finals. The series where for some reason the suns player get suspended for leaving the bench but for some reason tim duncan and bruce bowen dont get suspended after elson dunks on james jones and they get off the bench quickly after they bump chests.
Do you realize that every team in the 2000's ruffed up steve nash in the playoffs. The spurs alone broke his nose, took out one of his eyes and hip checked him into the scorers table with 3 seconds left in the game.
Against the lakers Kwame brown checked steve nash on a pick and roll and raja bell shortly clothes lined kobe.
I love how Steve Nash is the best point guard in the NBA from 2003-2010 and he is some how overrated. He beat stockton, mike bibby, chauncey billups, tony parker, sam cassell just to note some in the playoffs.
A guy who is Mr 50-40-90 for a season and only played better in the playoffs like when he averaged 33 points and 14 assist a game vs the mavs in that playoff series.
Im sorry this is a joke of a video.
bitch Dirk won a ring
@@metavita7344 doesn't change the fact that Nash beat him and TD (yes, Nash lost to them as well).. Tim Duncan being the arguably the best PF of all time, with a stacked team and a HoF coach.. Dirk being top 5 -10 PF of all time.. he beat these 2 in the playoffs, yet LoW branded him overrated..
First Melo now Nash 🤦🏾♂️
About melo I agree but nash isn't even close to be overrated, matter the fact he is underrated
He was robbed of the 07 final, I count that year as belonging to the suns, just like I count 2002 for the kings
Way to tell it like is. Agree 100%
lol. salty suns fans. Spurs won that fair and square. You cant give them credit for wins they didnt get. You dont know the suns would've won those games. Spurs won in 6. And destroyed the jazz and cavs. The best team won that year.
So your not in the real world
plzz stfu
Cristian Robert Horry Provoked Amar’e Stoudemire to get suspended
Making some valid points but those Suns teams from 2005-2007 were just not stout enough defensively and they were playing their Kryptonite at that time, the Spurs.
Having said that, they came from 1-3 deficit against the Lakers in I think 2005 and Nash was unguardable
Also, in 2007 they actually went into the Spurs building in Game 5 and beat them only to lose Amare and Diaw to suspensions in Game 6 at home.
So they lose that game at home and then lose in SA in Game 7. That was their year to break through and it was derailed due to a heavy handed rule interpretation. But Nash balled out in that series as well.
The year Bibby ran through him he was killing everybody. The Kings ran a version of the Princeton Offense with Pete Carill, its architect, as an Assistant Coach of Rick Adelman.
You remember that the Bigs, Vlade Divac and Chris Webber handled the ball a lot and Bibby played off the ball a lot like a two guard.
That team played unselfishly and ran a lot of plays to get Bibby clean looks. So yes, he killed Nash but I remember he killed the Shaq and Kobe Lakers in that era as well.
Mike was nice.
Anyway, I loved Nash's game on the offensive side of the ball and I think he deserves all the credit he gets.
As far as two MVPs, who knows? You could have chosen Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, or Dirk or Dwyane Wade in almost any year in that era.
Nice video. Can you do one on Gilbert arenas
The suspension also included Boris Diaw, Alvin Gentry was the coach in 2010 so he did it without Dantoni, also the reason they say he didn’t have enough help is because normally when a team has a poor defensive PG they have a center in the paint to help cover that up and the suns to this date have never had a good center let’s hope Deandre Ayton changes that and too add on the the lack of help theory he had the Stat injury along side a consistent flow of roster changes and the suns were probably only 6 deep an never had a backup for Nash Sarver traded TONS of draft picks in the Dantoni era including a top 10 pick that was Loul Deng and Rajon Rondo... So Sarver ignorance and the lack of a deep roster is why we never won and the refs didn’t help either saying he’s overrated is ridiculous if not showing up in big moments makes you overrated a lot of players are overrated
Agent won’t be happy about this video...
Well in all honesty pretty much nobody cares what he has to say. He can't speak proper english, does not know that much about basketball and just keeps on babbling "2K this and 2K that".
@@Zamppa86 agent is the goat fym
Pointing out 5 points in a quarter and 3 assists is pointless, it’s pretty much the same number of assists and points for every other quarter
Is that Terry Silver from Power hiding in the background @ 6
:45?
Whoever says just doesn’t know basketball
KJ - ZERO says what?
KJ - ZERO huh?
You don’t know grammar
Honestly I think Steve Nash is rated appropriately, not overrated. No one speaks of him as if he is top 10 all time or anything. To me he is around top 30-40 all time and arguably a top 10 PG of all time which is impressive.
He was amazing in those years in Phoenix, I was a huge fan of his and wish he would have at least made the Finals. It just was never meant to be for him which is a shame. But I never watched the Suns lose and thought that it was because of him. If anything, I think he deserved to win a couple of years and didn't, especially 2007 against the spurs, because losing Amare AND Diaw was a huge reason the lost! I saw that series and they looked like the better team.
Nash could easily be a top 5 PG of all time.. his prime was elite level play. I'd place him behind Magic, Stockton, Robertson, and on par with Steph... I'd take Nash over Thomas, Paul and Kidd.
If being benefited by the the system you play with is a crime a lot of greats have a ton to answer for
Also at 15:29 his fourth quarter numbers are proportional to what he did during the first three
Legend of Winning watch Mike Korezmba's video on why steve nash couldn't make it to the finals
stfu
If you know basketball, they were gonna beat the San Antonio Spurs but Amare got suspended for stepping on the court during a altercation. He actually truly underrated
Blame Robert Horry
Spurs kick their a$$ !!!!
Deal with it !!!!
Ginobili is laughing
@@canopener5426 because of the suspensions and not to mention if was rigged for SA to win the series
@@nashwoods1885 rigged my a$$!!!!
Your team choked like they always have....so stop making excuses and man up!!! They were never a championship team....and we were!!!!!
Even as a Kobe fan I enjoyed Nash
wait isn't the job of the coach have a winning style and the gm to create a team to fits that style? i don't get the argument that he was only in the system, seems more that the coach was able to elevate nashs abilities by playing to his strengths
Can u say similar thing for Harden?
You finally did it 😂
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Can you please do a vid debunking old heads saying players now won't last in the 90s or how they overstate the physicality then and minimize the defence and physicality now.
@@loosenup8152 imagine mj playing today he would probaly average 30 points a game get 8 rebounds and 7 assists get 2 steaks per game and half a block on 40 minutes per game
@@AccidentallyDecent Facts af
@@AccidentallyDecent Jordan would have to get an old school that would not try to force him to become a shooter
LOW your part of the reason I started my youtube channel, I just wanted to say thank you for inspiring me and keep up the good work!
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what’s the instrumental in his vids
Since everyone on his team got better maybe he is an awesome player off court that motivates you and makes everyone happy