"Made only eight all-star appearances"...my guy even if he "dissapointed" eight all-star appearances is amazing, maybe he didn't live up to his expectations but he is a surefire HOFer
Calvin Miller He was better. I hate when people say his prime was in Toronto, he was one of the most complete all around players in the game when he played for nets. He could play on the fast break, could post up, could run pick and roll, was a better shooter, was craftier around the rim etc
New York Sports God I can understand that what I can’t understand is how Jason kidd who was a top 5 point guard in the league did more with less and went to finals I think twice with a less talented team yet when you have Vince who I would argue had more talent than Kobe you didn’t even make it to coffernsce finals
It seems like Carter developed a really good work ethic too late in his career. If you look at what he’s been doing in recent years to keep his body in good enough shape to be able to stay in the NBA, it’s actually really impressive. He shows up to the gym before any of his teammates (if I recall correctly, often more than an hour before anyone else), and he often does workouts after the game. He also goes through cryotherapy every once in a while. He claims that he does this because he still loves the game - and he says that he’ll continue to do so until the day that he wakes up and doesn’t feel motivated to put in the work. I don’t think that Vince was nearly as dedicated back in the day. But imagine if he had been! He could’ve been absolutely dominant, basically unstoppable. The fact that he was averaging over 27 points per game at one point while presumably not pushing himself as hard as he possibly could have potentially means that he could’ve been a top-three player in the NBA for five or more years in a row. He might’ve been able to win a title, or at least make it to the NBA finals. It’s unfortunate, especially as a fan of Vince, to know that he didn’t start working as hard as he could until it became evident that it’d be necessary just to stay in the league. At least we still get the pleasure of seeing him in the league even at such an old age, though. He’s doing something now that few players are able to accomplish.
Vince Carter didn’t have the greatest work ethic, however he wasn’t lazy. A guy like Andrea Bargnani had a 20 PPG season without putting in ANY work and was still a bust. Why? Well because his career outside of that season was very underwhelming, and if Carter had as bad of a work ethic as Bargnani, he wouldn’t be as good as he was. But at least he learned and actually developed a work ethic, Bargnani on the other hand didn’t care and could’ve been the greatest power forward or at least top 10 at that position if he put in the work. Notice how MJ, LeBron, and Kobe all have legendary work ethics. That’s why they’re some of the greatest players of all time. And I personally believe that all of them are in my top 3
Derek L. let's not try to take anything away from Vince's greatness yes he is quite overrated but he was by no stretch of the imagination a bad player in fact if he had more help on the Raptors he probably would have gone a lot farther in the playoffs
Dave Toussaint I understand the title part because he never had a elite team although the Nets was close to being elite but still wasn't better then Miami or Detroit but he def should have been more dominant
Ronnie Alston stop New Jersey and Orlando were elite they made the finals the previous season that Vince came and he was supposed to push them over the edge he was an underachiever
Idgaf. Carter is one of the most entertaining and likeable guys in nba history, like dirk. He is also an amazing veteran and is doing crazy dunks at 41. He will go down in the HOF and at least he didnt end up like his cousin (no disrespect to tracy). Gotta love Vinsanity
Kevinfautogrp well you can’t really say for sure. I feel like if he could have run SG for that Suns team with Nash, Marion, and Stoudemire would have been interesting. But who knows. All i do know is that he still had a great career and is one of the most loved in the game.
A A R O N V I L L A L O B O S indeed he did but it annoyed me that he never really said anything positive through the video, as if he was trash or something
Weese not really Melo has all NBA selections, all star appearances, MVP conversations, scoring title, and has been regarded as an easy top 15 scoring threat of all time due to his versatility. And unlike VC he is a strong rebounder, the only thing missing on Melo resume is a ring while VC has a lot of different things missing.
mrslash blade VC also has all nba selections and all star appearances. Melos scoring ability is vastly overrated due to his lack of efficiency compared to other scorers. If you compare VCs peak years (1998-2011) to Melos (2003-2016, I took this season off because while Melo has been on a decline, it's on full display now), the only categories Melo leads in are points by 1 and rebounds by 1. Not to mention VC plays way better defense and is a better passer. Melo has massively underachieved compared his peers. Also, you mentioned Melo was in MVP conversations. 1 year where you finished and EXTREMELY DISTANT 3rd, doesn't mean you were in the conversation. Hell, the other year he accomplished any playoff success (2009) he didn't even get a SINGLE VOTE for MVP. While the real driving force behind that Denver team, Billups finished 6th.
This is because it is true. The Raptors and Canadian businesses are notorious for being slit throat organizations. They had a very good PG called Alvin Williams, once he was too injured to play, they slit his throat like a hog and cut him. Carter is a smart player. He is 41 and still playing.
compare the twos shooting %. That's completely false. Carter took FAR better shots than TMac, and Carter also won a playoff series. Something Tracy McGrady NEVER did, even with a superstar talent in Yao Ming playing with him.
They weren't shitty team, just shitty organizations. Plus in that era, you had one or two top players on the team. Now the good teams have 3-5 top players.
Vince Carter is known for dunking right...? Well he is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made in NBA history... didn't see that anywhere in this video... The man wasn't just a dunker, he could shoot the ball as well
He shot a lot of fadeaways. I think he settled a lot for jumpers. In theory that's fine but make sure that part of your game is lethal and it was between solid and average.
MarnesaarJ I just looked it up, Jason Terry, Steph curry, Kyle korver all passed him, when he was on the grizzlies, my team, 2 years ago he was #3 I remember the grizzlies announcers talking about it all season. He has since fell to #7 but he is less than 200 3's from the #3 spot. He will never catch up, but he is still top 10 which is insane.
I swear LOW. You listen to one or two clips of nba open court/TNT and take their opinions as the end all be all on players. Vince Carter was a very productive player while in Toronto and New Jersey, and you can't overlook injuries. You expected Carter to develop and progress after his first season in Jersey? The guy was already 30 years old, history shows once the average player in the NBA reaches the age of 27-28-29 that their play significantly starts to decline. He lost his youthful athleticism, and had to rely on his jump shot as his primary way to score. Carter was never a guy you were going to build your franchise around, if he had better teammates around him for his career while in his prime, he would've been better suited as the 2nd option. Instead of making a hot take video by calling him an underachiever, it's better to say that he just peaked early in his career.
That's false. You simply can't put every NBA player in a box and say between the ages of 27-32 is when they're supposed to be at their best. Some guys peak early (Damon stoudamire, tyreke evans, etc.) and some guys experience their best years well into their 30's (nash, reddick..). In VC's case, because of injuries suffered in Toronto, he was a guy that had his best years early into his career, which was HIS peak.
The problem is you keep talking about points points points. In New Jersey you had 2 other guys who would score 20+ PPG in Jason Kidd and RJ. You didn't have that in Toronto. So he may have been scoring the same as he was in Toronto but his shooting percentages, defense, playmaking and highlights were even better than before. He was also a better leader in NJ. Honestly, the NJ version of Vince was his best form ever. He was so well rounded and you obviously don't know that the Nets organization turned out to be just as bad as the owner and GM were extremely stingy. We had Nenad Kristic and Jason Collins starting at the 4 and 5 for Vince's entire stint as a Net. That's unacceptable from a team perspective. Not to mention their bench was always filled with old washed up players and scrubs. It's much deeper than you think. To say he's underachieved is false. Vince's career accomplishments are infinite. And not to mention the impact he had on basketball. It's disrespectful to say he's underachieved when he's transformed the game of basketball.
I think people that view players like Carter as underachievers are the same people that forget that championship are won by a team, and only 1 team wins the chip and it's usually the best team; players like Carter, Iverson, and McGrady were players that had very bad teams. This is something LeBron learned immediately which is why he's always recruiting or jumping ship; history won't remember him crying for help, it'll remember the chips. This talk of underachieving could've also been said about Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett had they not linked up and won once, but before that Celtic's chip those 3 were headed mostly in the same "underachievers" path, outside of Garnett's 04 MVP which would've put him in that Barkley box. Wade would've been another one had he retired and not won a chip to be seen as underachieving. Not everyone is lucky enough to play with other superstars in those times. If Carter should be blamed for anything it should be for being selfless, he should've have shot more to put in perspective from 99-00 to 08-09 Carter averaged 23.9ppg 44%FG on 19.5FGA. that's less attempts per game than Kobe who played with Shaq, less attempts and higher FG% than Iverson, and even less attempts and higher % than McGrady; basically, Vince should've shot the ball more, even in clutch time where from 00-09 he was top 3 most clutch under 2minutes, under 24sec and under 6secs. I know usage rates weren't a big thing in the 2000s but I'd like to see Vince's compares to everyone else. Another thing, Even tho it's out of his control but the fact that McGrady left when they could've been the east's dynamic duo or him getting traded instead of him and Bosh becoming a duo in toronto. He was reborn in NJ indeed but those NJ teams weren't great after Kenyon martin left. J. Kidd was not much of a scorer, never average 20 in his career and never averaged 15 whipe like Carter was in NJ but he could definitely pass, defend and rebound. Jefferson was a good win to complement Carter. The rest of the team was trash, garbage big men and weak bench. Selflessness struck again in Orlando where he should've been the man and not Howard. Howard should've been the big guy who protected the paint, ran the floor, clean boards and caught lobs, his post game was basic as can be and boston show everyone. If 25kpts, 2k 3s and HOFer is underachieving, then i need to underachieve like him
exacly carter also wanted to be traded so he didn't even try at games to make his draft stock to go down so he would get traded thats why he averaged 16 on horribe efficiency
@@AnishBhethanabotla Actually he was returning from arthroscopic knee surgery, which was wayyy worse than then it is today. After his 02 injury he became more of a jump shooter and those last year's in Toronto was bad because of that transformation needed to occur to preserve himself, when he got to the Nets it was much easier for him to score because he shared scoring duties with Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd being a great distributer. But that Nets bench was aweful, and could never overcome an injury to anyone on the big 3 which constantly happened. Forcing the Nets to a lower seed in the playoffs and having a terrible bench against a good team caused them to never go deep in the playoffs. They Nets at that time also lacked interior players, when Cater came to the team which was a serious problem for them defenseively.
I'm not saying VC is an all-time great, but the man was a fantastic player. He was drafted FIFTH overall in the 1998 draft after players like Michael Olowakandi and Ralph LaFrentz, so coming into the league people were not expecting him to be some "game changing" player, just a very good. He did have some of his best seasons within his first five years in the league, but you can't punish the man for being great at a young age. Plus, at that time, players who went to college were not typically "one and done's" so players were often coming into the league more mature than ever. Also, VC "only made 8 all-star games and 2 all-nba teams"? Since when is that not a huge achievement? Players like Ray Allen only have 2 all-nba selections and we all know how great he was. While Vince did hit his peak early, he was still consistent throughout his prime as a great scorer, and even adapted into a great role players for great teams like the Mavs. Obviously he's not near legends like Kobe or MJ, but I think he's on the same level as guys like Paul Pierce and T-mac. You can't possibly say he's one of the biggest underachievers ever though when guys who have come into the league with great potential are out of the league within a few seasons, meanwhile Vince has played 20 great years.
I’m sorry but Mcgrady at his best was just a superior player and Tmac has much worse talent that Vince ever did. Compare Tmacs Orlando magic days to vince’s Toronto day’s then it’s clear to see who was better
northernlight1000 agreed. He definitely underachieved. Thats how great he could of been. To me hes the greatest dunker of all time. But other than that idk man. However he had the potential to average 26 to 27 points for his career. Hes a great guy tho. Extremely humble. One of my fav players.
He ain't a legend. Legends are the best players of their era for an extended period of time. Vince never was the best player in the league. But he a good player that enjoyed watching. This video is trash. Sure fire HOFer and he underachieved. Idk what this guy wants from Vince
Stupid question, did people just hype him up. Let see Vince Carter is a 6-6 guard coming out of the University of North Carolina he can create his own shot off the dribble he can slash to the basket he three-point ability and he has crazy athleticism. He was a underachiever.
@Shawn Kemp I slightly disagree. He's offensively, at least in his prime as sharp as Kobe, Even Jordan. The difference was that he never embraced the pressure of winning the way those guys did. So many times during the playoffs in his Net days, he played very "safe"; good enough not to be blamed during a loss, but certainly not good enough to win. It's the reason why he's played so long; he never left it all on the court. Even today, hes capable of throwing down a between the legs dunk, but still doesn't mix it up competition wise. Go figure.
I think it's a little bit of both. I don't think you can question the work ethic of a man who is still playing in the NBA at the age of 41. You don't do that unless you put in the work off the court to stay in tip-top condition. But I also think he was satisfied with being a star, and while he kept himself in top shape, never did much to expand his game from where it was when he came into the league. Other people expected more of Carter than he expected of himself. But he'll make it to the Hall of Fame someday, anyway.
Speaking as a Raptor fan... watching Vince up close. Everything fell apart when Tracy left for Orlando. It all went downhill after that. Both he and TMac made bad choices in leaving Toronto.
That man playin 20 years way more than on the court...smh did u think his influence was only on court. Let's see your CZcams channel be relevant for half of his career..then say something
Stop overrating Melo. He's not an underachiever, he's just not very good. People always overrate the ability to score which is literally the only skill Melo has. Terrible defender, terrible passer, terrible off the ball. Total ball stopper. Underachiever implies he just needed to try harder, but Melo's overall game is a terrible fit for how basketball should be played.
The video is mostly right about Carter. Where it fails is it's not mentioned that Carter was always hurt. He played hurt in the playoffs all of the time. Also the series in Orlando against Boston was the worst officiating I've ever seen and they were still competitive. The league wanted Boston back in the finals against the Lakers. Regardless, we should be talking about Carter like TMac, Grant Hill and D Rose. That's how bad the injuries were. I really monitored his career and injuries were always an issue. He probably still has the best offensive game I've ever seen, but his determination was different.
Yeah it pisses me off people barely acknowledge his injuries or acts like he wasn't injured. And almosy every season he was missing like a good 20 to 30 games. That's bull but tmac who wasn't as injured as Carter throughout his career gets a what if. I also get there were times he decided not to play hard because of things with the organization trying to phase him out. But it's always pissed me off people act like he just was never injured. Even this video. Claiming I no about his injuries. But then turn around and act like injuries didn't affect his career. I seen an interview with him saying one thing he always regretted was not letting his body heal and coming back too soon.
MICOLE WHYTE If shaq stayed with his Magic’s body he would’ve have a longer prime years but not has dominated maybe just a batter career then Karl Malone’s career but instead he put on a lot of weight on a had really good prime years just not that long , he should’ve been the goat and now he’s barely top 3 center
Not really... shaq is meant to be the most dominant but not the greatest... he even admitted this himself... he always wanted to be the most dominant... shaq's natural thicc body just wont last long in the nba... especially the wear and tear of 82 games plus the playoffs... plus his hands are so big that he cant shoot well.... shaq just rely too much on physical dominance rather than skills... which resulted in his game not aging well compared to the likes of tim duncan...
This why I can't take Legend of Winning or any other simple minded people seriously. Their opinions are flawed with lacking logic or physics. First, basketball is a team sport, not an individual one. Second, when cross comparing players you compare their primes, not their ending careers. In that case, most stars were better than Kobe, because he was shit his rookie year. But no one wanna add the rookie years in the credibility info. And third, some athletes are more fortunate than others. To say Pierce is better than Carter because he shot more? Okay, then Carter is better than Kobe because he's still playing, Pierce is better than Kobe because he averaged more in his ending years, and Reggie Miller is better than all of them because heout lasted all og them playing nearly the same way instead of progressing better or deteriorating over the years. PS: It's not the player that makes the team great it's how the player fits the team. That's why Richard Hamilton was a better fit for the Pistons as opposed to Jerry Stackhouse, despite Stackhouse being the better player. THAT'S what Vince Carter meant by him being utilized in the Nets as opposed to Toronto.
One thing that you can't deny ( even tho this determine his legacy or help saying he is overrated or underrated) you cannot deny he was on of if not the greatest nba athlete
Vince was doing better dunks in HS than Lebron in the nba....vince is pure athleticism...lebron is a freight train that can jump but very stiff in the air.
Your Handsome Step-Dad lebron is also taller but Lebron is the best athlete in history of basketball. Combination of size and strength, speed, durability is unmatched. Like him or hate him. But Carter vertical is ridiculous and still is. Hes the best in game dunker ive seen. One of the greatest pure talents ive seen. Lebron is in the conversation. But hes not the one under achieving. But yeah Vince is always gonnna be one of my fav players. However I do understand his career could of been much better considering his pure talent.
I think Shaq is also a big underachiever. He could have won many more mvp’s if he wanted to. I think he was just a little to lazy and he didn’t want to work
This is nonsense. Carter became the games best dunker, highlights, game winners, scoring. Carter Revolutionized the game for a younger generation and changed the landscape of the nba, raptors and Canada. Very few stars leave an imprint on the game the way Carter did.
Its really amazing how he's had 2 levels his entire career he was the same player for 8 years (a star) and then became a role player for the rest of his career basically going up and down on ppg for the rest of career
He lost his speed and quickness early on in his career. He was able to drive past defenders with ease but then he started to rely on his post moves and jumper. He also took less risks with injuries and lacked the fire that kobe mj had. Still a great career but didnt meet ppls expectations
Yeah still haven't seen no1 posterize people in games like Vince. Best in game dunker by far. vince still has 44 inch vertical. At least last year he did. Definitely an underachiever. Still my guy tho
Justin Last J-Rich would spend all year planning his dunk contest. Vince just came up with his dunks on the spot. J-Rich was in THREE dunk contests to Vinces one, so he got to show more dunks then Vince. Vince was a million times better dunker. J-Rich also was a very one dimensional dunker (couldn't dunk good off one foot and was only really good with his right foot forward) while Vince was VERY well rounded. Hell Vince is in his 40s and he still can do a two foot take off between the legs without even trying And no. No one today dunks close to as good as Vince. Vinces in game dunk reel shits all over anyone's today, and its not even close. Griffin, Gordon, Zach etc... Their in game dunk reel looks like crap compaired to Vinces
Daz True, but the ability to dunk through traffic or with contact is a VERY helpful skill that does make you a better player. Often a dunk is much harder to defend then a layup. Dunking is not everything, but it is a skill that helps your game
I think Vince was one of the greatest offensive machines I ever saw during his first 10 years. 24,000 points isn't too bad neither. Sucks playing during an era when there is Lebron, Iverson, Kobe, Duncan and a ton of other legends in their prime.
Great video. This just further proves that V.C was in fact a great player. We all wanted him to be the next M.J because he had the tools to do so. The man put Canada on the map in the basketball world. He made 8 all star teams and ranks in the top 30 in all time scoring. He's played in the NBA for like 18 years. He's a legend in his own right and I'm a huge fan of his. Always will be. Great video and great job to V.C. one of the great NBA careers IMO
@@Abbad1579 man I've watched Vince Carter play in high school, at UNC and his whole NBA career, I probably been watching basketball since before you was born son, sooooooo what are you saying?
These arguments kill me, in the last 20 years only 5 teams have won the nba championship, anyone NOT on those teams you could make an argument for being underachievers
This guy really said "He only won rookie of year, the dunk contest, and made the all star and all team..THATS ABOUT IT" Only elite groups of guys like MJ, Kobe,Lebron can make that statement
damn looking at the video of Vince dunking on everybody, there is no player in the game today like him, we miss you Vince! you still Half Man Half Amazing to me...
He is only overrated in the context that he is probably the most naturally physically talented wing player in league history. With that in mind, he could have been a top 5 all time imo. Seeing as he will undoubtedly be a hof inductee, is likely going to finish top 20 all time in scoring, top 5 3pt made, and will likely set a record for career longevity/seasons played, I think he's done pretty well. There's a lot of hyperbolic stuff in this video (only 8 all star appearances, not a top 10 player of his generation, etc...) but I'll just say I disagree with some points, and agree he underachieved, but is still an all time great player.
Vc 15 holds a place in my heart as a raptors fan like derozan mcgrady bosh do but at the end of the day even being a legit fan of carter yeah he's not all that like hype made him seem but he'll always be the best dunker ever in my book and always have that value to my simply as a raptors fan
Without Vince, The Raps would probably have been moved out of TO. He underachieved BIG TIME (should have been an MVP candidate with his potential) but he put the Raps on the map and was the most popular player in the NBA when in TO
Im not going to continue this video i stopped at 2:22 ...if you wanna call someone an underachiever look at Dwight Howard or melo but to say VINCE CARTER the man that made Toronto relevant in the basketball world was an underachiever is a bit of a reach ...Every time Vince went either to the semis or playoffs there were teams that had either a legendary player like AI or a great team lead by younger talent like WADE and the heat who were hard to stop...if we are talking underachiever due to not making finals and winning championships then a lot of hall of famers that played in the Jordan era should be considered to by your logic ....i know i didn’t watch your video all the way thru but it doesn’t take much to see where it was going...Just another guy thinking he knows what it’s like in the nba despite not playing for a semipro team
I know this is old impact and underachieving is too different thing Impact is more on the lines of ai Marbury Yao jordan etc also the playoffs take same can literally be said about Melo and Dwight
God damn I miss that purple headband playoff run. Alvin hitting that dagger to beat the Knicks on the road in the Garden is still my most fond Raptor memory from my childhood.
VC's weakness were as follows; 1) Poor quickness/agility (not the same as speed) 2) Poor ability to read the defense (this is also Derozan's biggest flaw) 3) Made to improvements to his game such as adding moves like Kobe did every year 4) Too much reliance on shooting and not aggressive enough 5) Not competitive enough/settles
This is great video. He was so flashy and electric he was on of my favorite players. Then he kinda just disappeared. I. was pretty shocked to find out he paying in Sacramento
Shawn Kemp I completely understand why hes labled a underachiever. He had talent and he had people to play with on each team. He just never lived up to the hype. It's crazy.
How can Vince be overrated when people don't rate him at all? We know what happened to him: injuries and the laid back way he played the game after his first 4 years.
The Biggest Underachiever is Derrick Coleman(I know most don't know him). Derrick was a beast and a point Powerforward who got NBA's first 100 Million Dollar Contract and basically once he got his money...Didn't give a fk!! He even got fat and created future concerns about giving players big contracts. Young Derrick Coleman was amazing and very similar to Magic Johnson. Him Kenny Anderson and Drazen Petrovic were brilliant!
But Vince was never on a championship calibur team (besides ORL but he was past his prime at that point) nor did he have a championship calibur coach. I guess you can say the mavs when he joined but that team like him was severely aged. So just saying. As for the NJ nets comment I grew up watching that team. Vince and that NJ nets team needed a big man. That was their Achilles heel. They had a decent bench but they never had a big man.
Ranmyaku Jouten (猥雑 上天) THANK YOU SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT NETS TEAM IM A BIG NETS FAN AND BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE LONGEST THAT WE NEEDED A BIG MAN TO SLOW DOWN SHAQ AND OTHER BIG MEN
Vince Carter played with no allstars on the Toronto Raptors and when he finally got some help with Jalen Rose they trashed him and traded him. The Raptors have always also failed small forwards, like they have no ideas how to use them and that is why it took until 2018 to have small forwards doing anything because they started playing position-less ball. He developed too many bad habits, and this is why Mcgrady wanted to leave too because they didn't know how to use small forwards properly. Any small forward for the raptors since their invention has not done well. Not James Johnson, not Mcgrady, not Terrance Ross, or any other small forward and this is because for some reason they want their small forwards (until this year 2018) to stand in the corner 90% of the time and shoot threes. This is what also made it hard for VC to be aggressive (which was a big complaint not only to him but virtually every small forward the raptors have ever had) and they expect him and all these small forwards to be aggressive when its the Raptors' coaching staffs fault. And yes I know there have been many different coaches since VC but please just look at their games past and present and you will see I am right, that the style of play for small forward position is completely the same. When they switched VC at times with Mo Pete position wise the same thing happened to him, always in the corner shooting 3s. And like I said no talent. I mean the best players besides VC was Mo Pete and Antonio Davis....really....
Exactly..... so with out injury / sudden decline what could he have done? You mean to tell me as young as Dwight was when he left Orlando that that was all he could do? He just had a 30/30 game. The man was a 3x's DPoY. And now he's on a team that's just happy to make the playoffs.
You make some great points but if we're being completely honest VC would've had a completely different career if he was brought into a great organization like kobe with the Lakers.
Thanks for this video. I wasn't sure I'd call him the biggest underachiever but I can totally see your point. He definitely didn't accomplish much to build his own résumé and it's too bad, he could have accomplished so much.
Only 2 all nba teams?… only a few Allstars appearances?.. Only 2 finals appearances?.. Idk.. This one is kinda a reach..nobody said he better than kobe .. But underachiever? Idk.. I don't think so
I don't know if he's the biggest underachiever, he did have some injuries, but then again, he's hung around 20 years.18-5-3 isn't spectacular but it's not too bad either. Could he have had a better, shorter career? Maybe. He should probably retired when he left Dallas in 14. The last four or five years have been pretty pointless other than he loves to play and he got paid handsomely. He'll still go to the Hall I'm sure. He's not a 50 greatest by any means, maybe not even 75 greatest? Tough to say. His runs in Toronto and even NJ were good but not great. Orlando and Dallas were ok to have happened but even by the time he got to the Magic, he was a shell of his former self. Also in his defense, he played in a pretty solid era. Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Nash, AI, etc were all great and had better careers.
Im very gratefull for the free content and i do enjoy your videos alot. But as a carter fan, im exiting this video without a thumbs up or thumbs down. Heres some names id like you to look into please. Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, Antoine Walker, and Steve Francis.
Nets 4life 1.Michael Jordan 2. Kobe Bryant 3. Dwayne Wade 4. Clyde drexler 5. Allen iverson 6. Richard Hamilton 7. Ray Allen 8. James harden 9. Mitch Richmond 10. Tracy mcgrady 11. Klay Thompson 12. Demar derozan 13. Joe Johnson 14. Bruce bowen 15. Reggie Miller 16. Allan Houston 17. Sam jones 18. Manu ginolobli 19.Joe Dumars 20. George gervin 21. Paul George 22. Eddie jones 23.glen rice 24. Jamal Crawford 25. Byron scott 26. Latrell spreewell 27. Hal Greer 28. Jerry west 29. Sydney moncreif 30. Vince Carter
Marvin M. McIntyre wtf type of list is that? Bruce Bowen? Richard Hamilton at 6? DeRozan, Klay, Allan houston, miller, Eddie Jones, rice, crawford, Greer and scott and others are not better than Carter wtf.
before injury he was 1/2 man 1/2 amazing. after injury hes just that guy that USE to do crazy dunks and sometimes able to create some flashback moments. as a role player, hes alrite... but to me i always see him as an 'entertainer' rather than a competitor. dunking, boosting team morale, and hyping the stadium up was his thing.
I agree he vastly underachieved. If you really followed Vince you know he had all the abilities and talent to be better than Kobe. Injuries didn't really derail him except for maybe the 02-03-04 years. He simply never had that heart or killer instinct. If he had the same mindset as Kobe he'd kill Kobe on everything. But he didnt. His legacy should've been far more prolific. Although I'll say Toronto didn't do shit for him and coasted on his popularity. I'm a huge VC fan since he came into the league and he really disappointed me throughout childhood man. PS: Sam Mitchell hated Vince and he didn't run the offense through Vince it was through bosh and the "team". Sam was a asshat.
286mic nah mindset and killer instinct don’t just magically make you better at basketball, he wasn’t just gonna be a defender out of nowhere or a playmaker
Ricky Delgado dude he avg 5apg for awhile. If he was determined to improve like Kobe did he would've avg 6apg no problem. As for defending, are you kidding me? He was by far the most athletic player, you think he couldn't defend whoever he wanted if he put his mind to it? Vince underachieved with his gifts, he should've been greater. Don't @me again cause you clearly never actually watched him.
Killer instinct wasn't the problem, Vince had that in spades. He just didn't have Kobe's work ethic. Kobe was determined to improve his game EVERY year and Vince didn't have that kind of dedication.
Vince has an insane work ethic, that's how he's still playing and is more athletic than 50% of the league at 41. His flaw was his niceness. He didn't want to be a ballhog, didn't want to step on toes when he got to a new team, and was too willing to slide into complimentary roles when he was still the best scorer on his team (Orlando)
Mike Sannitti I'm not talking about his physical conditioning, I'm talking about improving his game. Vince's game never really evolved much since his rookie year.
Dwight isn’t borderline anything. He could literally retire right now and make the HOF. His career accomplishments are more than enough to be first ballot
Vince was a superstar, but I've been saying this about melo and Vince for years. They play that way to prolong their career. When Vince sees that he is not on a championship team he pulls back his aggressiveness and plays in cruise control. This is why his defense was always lacking because, as oppose to offense, defense takes a lot of motivation and energy. We can see that Vince carters technique has worked. He is still playing and jumpin out the gym
VyXious 2711 nets had jkidd, kenyon (overrated), and richard jefferson, yeah that’s a pretty good team. he still carried them to the playoffs without kids and jefferson. magic had young dwight (not even the rookie of the year in 04-05), everyone on that mavs team was past their primes by 10 years, can’t even try to say those teams carried him, and i threw up when i saw grizzlies. marc gasol and mike conley? tony allen? vince was late 30s when he got to memphis too, wasn’t gonna produce much, no one does in their late 30s. he proved time and time again that he could play at a high level without stars. i noticed how you didn’t include the raptors, when he had t-mac for a season and his best teammate was antonio davis.
VyXious 2711 The Nets only had Jason Kidd and RIchard Jefferson, they never had any inside presence whatsoever and no bench. The Mavs had an aging and often injured Dirk, and their best player was Monta Ellis 🙄. The Grizzlies were also a very old team who were constantly matched up against the Warriors and Spurs in the first round each year. Carter was also past his prime during his tenure with both the Mavs and Grizzlies. The Magic were a very good team but Vince only had one year with them and it didn’t work too well (partially because Howard and Vince both played terrible).
Shawn Kemp, Eric Snow never had Kidd's passing or rebounding ability at any point. Even though he can't shoot, he did adjust his game later and became a deadly 3 point shooter if you leave him open.
as a die hard tarheel fan born in the 80s i always said vince was completely overrated in the early 2000's he was good a beast but he wasn't on the upper echelon of the nba hierarchy like he was portrayed to be
that's interesting because both Raptor and Nets became the worst team in the league right after he was traded, try to explain that. Also people were talking about him carrying the team when play against Heat, but best dunker of all time is just too good to compare with other titles
simple the rapters were already mediocre as you can see by the fact kobe put up 81 on them he was mostly hurt for them anyways so his value wasnt great anyway hence the sam mitchell fight nets window was closed he was there last piece they had from there championship chasing and after they traded him both teams went to a rebuild neither team matters in the FA market if you want ny got to the knicks and no one likes paying double taxes for toronto and the usa so they lose a lot of appeal that way and ny the way one series does not make him the superstar he was portrayed to be he was basically a super rudy gay a guy who looked the part but never really took that leap to the heights many thought he should have
Imagine watching one of the great players of today play great for like 7 years and just play the rest of his years.. like 14 more years … as a fukn journeyman…. As a fan of the player … that does hurt alittle bit.. or just make you wonder what tf happened … imagine if Kyrie just stayed in the league for another 14 years and averaged like 10 points 😂…. You’d be scratching your head.. well that how anyone that watched Vince play in the early 2000s feels . Trust me
I would agree with you in this video. Vince Carter to me was as close to being a Michael Jordan type of player as there is, he could dunk he could create his own shot off the dribble slash to the basket he was a better 3-point shooter than Jordan. I was so odd how Vince Carter's career started going downhill around like 2005 and be became a good role player.
"Made only eight all-star appearances"...my guy even if he "dissapointed" eight all-star appearances is amazing, maybe he didn't live up to his expectations but he is a surefire HOFer
Jacob Pasternack. Not a HOFer
He is but he had the potential to be so much more
Vince Carter along with Carmello Anthony are probably the biggest disappointments and frustrations the last two decades in the NBA.
Jacob Pasternack hell yea
Jade Lockett boi you silly
Key statement... Was still as good as he was in his 7th and 8th year as he was in his 3rd and 4th year. Still got mad love for Vince Carter.
Calvin Miller He was better. I hate when people say his prime was in Toronto, he was one of the most complete all around players in the game when he played for nets. He could play on the fast break, could post up, could run pick and roll, was a better shooter, was craftier around the rim etc
@@NoName-pp5kr facts people dont realize that he actually had help in NJ and didnt have to be superman he had help and he still succeed
New York Sports God so why didn’t they go further in the playoffs?
@@t-god2439 the core was never extremely healthy
New York Sports God I can understand that what I can’t understand is how Jason kidd who was a top 5 point guard in the league did more with less and went to finals I think twice with a less talented team yet when you have Vince who I would argue had more talent than Kobe you didn’t even make it to coffernsce finals
It seems like Carter developed a really good work ethic too late in his career. If you look at what he’s been doing in recent years to keep his body in good enough shape to be able to stay in the NBA, it’s actually really impressive. He shows up to the gym before any of his teammates (if I recall correctly, often more than an hour before anyone else), and he often does workouts after the game. He also goes through cryotherapy every once in a while. He claims that he does this because he still loves the game - and he says that he’ll continue to do so until the day that he wakes up and doesn’t feel motivated to put in the work.
I don’t think that Vince was nearly as dedicated back in the day. But imagine if he had been! He could’ve been absolutely dominant, basically unstoppable. The fact that he was averaging over 27 points per game at one point while presumably not pushing himself as hard as he possibly could have potentially means that he could’ve been a top-three player in the NBA for five or more years in a row. He might’ve been able to win a title, or at least make it to the NBA finals.
It’s unfortunate, especially as a fan of Vince, to know that he didn’t start working as hard as he could until it became evident that it’d be necessary just to stay in the league. At least we still get the pleasure of seeing him in the league even at such an old age, though. He’s doing something now that few players are able to accomplish.
well said.
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Vince Carter didn’t have the greatest work ethic, however he wasn’t lazy. A guy like Andrea Bargnani had a 20 PPG season without putting in ANY work and was still a bust. Why? Well because his career outside of that season was very underwhelming, and if Carter had as bad of a work ethic as Bargnani, he wouldn’t be as good as he was. But at least he learned and actually developed a work ethic, Bargnani on the other hand didn’t care and could’ve been the greatest power forward or at least top 10 at that position if he put in the work. Notice how MJ, LeBron, and Kobe all have legendary work ethics. That’s why they’re some of the greatest players of all time. And I personally believe that all of them are in my top 3
He was a very poor leader on the basketball court.
He only made EIGHT All-Star teams 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sarcasm?
He talking about that like it’s easy for nba players to make the all star team for 8 years of their career
it's fan voting, dont mean shit...bet if it was coaches decision he wouldn't get it
fucking Yao Ming was getting top votes while being injured haha
Derek L. let's not try to take anything away from Vince's greatness yes he is quite overrated but he was by no stretch of the imagination a bad player in fact if he had more help on the Raptors he probably would have gone a lot farther in the playoffs
seriously?tell me which year and who should be replacing
Oh shit here we go
BSOLZ your my favorite CZcamsr keep on posting 🔥🔥🔥 content, I love your channel
BSOLZ I already thought he was overrated
Legend of Winning>you
No need to swear young man
Bsolz the next day: why Andrew Wiggins is the greatest underachiever of all time
He had all the tools to became a MVP & never won a title. It's sad.
Dave Toussaint I understand the title part because he never had a elite team although the Nets was close to being elite but still wasn't better then Miami or Detroit but he def should have been more dominant
Facts
Ronnie Alston stop New Jersey and Orlando were elite they made the finals the previous season that Vince came and he was supposed to push them over the edge he was an underachiever
Dave Toussaint q
Nets elite? Granted he had J-Kidd but what else? What serious team starts Jason Collins at center?
Idgaf. Carter is one of the most entertaining and likeable guys in nba history, like dirk. He is also an amazing veteran and is doing crazy dunks at 41. He will go down in the HOF and at least he didnt end up like his cousin (no disrespect to tracy). Gotta love Vinsanity
T-Mac would be top 10 career of all time w/ o injuries smh 😪😪😪
Carver Pierce what player you think he should have gone to that could have made him great. Like if he played with dirk in his prime.
Kevinfautogrp well you can’t really say for sure. I feel like if he could have run SG for that Suns team with Nash, Marion, and Stoudemire would have been interesting. But who knows. All i do know is that he still had a great career and is one of the most loved in the game.
Nobody is denying that bro... he stil underachieved tho
A A R O N V I L L A L O B O S indeed he did but it annoyed me that he never really said anything positive through the video, as if he was trash or something
This is gonna be the same story for Carmelo....
Weese not really Melo has all NBA selections, all star appearances, MVP conversations, scoring title, and has been regarded as an easy top 15 scoring threat of all time due to his versatility. And unlike VC he is a strong rebounder, the only thing missing on Melo resume is a ring while VC has a lot of different things missing.
Weese yes
Truth. Melo has never improved his game, just a scorer.
Melo is more of an underachiever than Vince. By far.
mrslash blade VC also has all nba selections and all star appearances. Melos scoring ability is vastly overrated due to his lack of efficiency compared to other scorers. If you compare VCs peak years (1998-2011) to Melos (2003-2016, I took this season off because while Melo has been on a decline, it's on full display now), the only categories Melo leads in are points by 1 and rebounds by 1. Not to mention VC plays way better defense and is a better passer. Melo has massively underachieved compared his peers.
Also, you mentioned Melo was in MVP conversations. 1 year where you finished and EXTREMELY DISTANT 3rd, doesn't mean you were in the conversation. Hell, the other year he accomplished any playoff success (2009) he didn't even get a SINGLE VOTE for MVP. While the real driving force behind that Denver team, Billups finished 6th.
Vince Carter is one of my favorite players of all time but yea he severely underachieved, he really didn’t get better as he got into his prime years
Jon Swavyy he stopped trying in Toronto since he didn’t like the GM and wanted to get out of there most raptors fans hated him
Jon Swavyy wrong
Hudsanity nigga how tf am I wrong? He was better in his first years in the league than what was supposed to be his “prime”. He peaked early
Jon Swavyy what do you consider first years 1998-???? id say Nets VC was his best year
nope he peaked 2005-2007 w/ NJ. Then he began declining 08-10 eventually becoming a role player in his later years.
He played for the shittiest teams in the NBA for his whole career....and didn't cry about it or tried to form a super team.
This is because it is true. The Raptors and Canadian businesses are notorious for being slit throat organizations. They had a very good PG called Alvin Williams, once he was too injured to play, they slit his throat like a hog and cut him. Carter is a smart player. He is 41 and still playing.
compare the twos shooting %. That's completely false. Carter took FAR better shots than TMac, and Carter also won a playoff series. Something Tracy McGrady NEVER did, even with a superstar talent in Yao Ming playing with him.
They weren't shitty team, just shitty organizations. Plus in that era, you had one or two top players on the team. Now the good teams have 3-5 top players.
He didn’t play on any team for more than 5 years out his total 21. WHOLE CAREER? That’s literal blasphemy
When Lebron started his super teams that's when I lost interest in NBA.
This man said, "a couple of all NBA teams, a few all star selections, 27ppg but thats it"... Bro thats amazing! He's a legend!
thats not a legend
@@phoenixplayz1581 yes it is
2 all nbas is no joke
The point is that he had potential for much much more than that
@@frostthedon5303no it's not
Vince Carter is known for dunking right...? Well he is 3rd all time in 3 pointers made in NBA history... didn't see that anywhere in this video... The man wasn't just a dunker, he could shoot the ball as well
Daz planet Earth obviously, look up top 10 NBA 3 pointers made, Vince is in top 3. Period
He shot a lot of fadeaways. I think he settled a lot for jumpers. In theory that's fine but make sure that part of your game is lethal and it was between solid and average.
MarnesaarJ he is #3 all time in 3 point shots made, look it up
MarnesaarJ I just looked it up, Jason Terry, Steph curry, Kyle korver all passed him, when he was on the grizzlies, my team, 2 years ago he was #3 I remember the grizzlies announcers talking about it all season. He has since fell to #7 but he is less than 200 3's from the #3 spot. He will never catch up, but he is still top 10 which is insane.
Chris Beach are you from Memphis
I swear LOW. You listen to one or two clips of nba open court/TNT and take their opinions as the end all be all on players. Vince Carter was a very productive player while in Toronto and New Jersey, and you can't overlook injuries. You expected Carter to develop and progress after his first season in Jersey? The guy was already 30 years old, history shows once the average player in the NBA reaches the age of 27-28-29 that their play significantly starts to decline. He lost his youthful athleticism, and had to rely on his jump shot as his primary way to score.
Carter was never a guy you were going to build your franchise around, if he had better teammates around him for his career while in his prime, he would've been better suited as the 2nd option. Instead of making a hot take video by calling him an underachiever, it's better to say that he just peaked early in his career.
TYMBO11 what? A players prime is between 27-32 educate yourself
Here Comes nah it's 27-29 the second you turn 30 you prime is always seeing the finishing line.
That's false. You simply can't put every NBA player in a box and say between the ages of 27-32 is when they're supposed to be at their best. Some guys peak early (Damon stoudamire, tyreke evans, etc.) and some guys experience their best years well into their 30's (nash, reddick..). In VC's case, because of injuries suffered in Toronto, he was a guy that had his best years early into his career, which was HIS peak.
Justin Last how's he doing I stoped listening to Mike when he jumped on every hype train known to man and didn't form an opinion
mrslash blade He's getting better while low is declining.
The problem is you keep talking about points points points. In New Jersey you had 2 other guys who would score 20+ PPG in Jason Kidd and RJ. You didn't have that in Toronto. So he may have been scoring the same as he was in Toronto but his shooting percentages, defense, playmaking and highlights were even better than before. He was also a better leader in NJ. Honestly, the NJ version of Vince was his best form ever. He was so well rounded and you obviously don't know that the Nets organization turned out to be just as bad as the owner and GM were extremely stingy. We had Nenad Kristic and Jason Collins starting at the 4 and 5 for Vince's entire stint as a Net. That's unacceptable from a team perspective. Not to mention their bench was always filled with old washed up players and scrubs. It's much deeper than you think. To say he's underachieved is false. Vince's career accomplishments are infinite. And not to mention the impact he had on basketball. It's disrespectful to say he's underachieved when he's transformed the game of basketball.
Morn Wood in New Jersey he was the better player than Jefferson by a decent margin and kidd was a pass first player
I think people that view players like Carter as underachievers are the same people that forget that championship are won by a team, and only 1 team wins the chip and it's usually the best team; players like Carter, Iverson, and McGrady were players that had very bad teams. This is something LeBron learned immediately which is why he's always recruiting or jumping ship; history won't remember him crying for help, it'll remember the chips. This talk of underachieving could've also been said about Pierce, Ray Allen and Garnett had they not linked up and won once, but before that Celtic's chip those 3 were headed mostly in the same "underachievers" path, outside of Garnett's 04 MVP which would've put him in that Barkley box. Wade would've been another one had he retired and not won a chip to be seen as underachieving. Not everyone is lucky enough to play with other superstars in those times. If Carter should be blamed for anything it should be for being selfless, he should've have shot more to put in perspective from 99-00 to 08-09 Carter averaged 23.9ppg 44%FG on 19.5FGA. that's less attempts per game than Kobe who played with Shaq, less attempts and higher FG% than Iverson, and even less attempts and higher % than McGrady; basically, Vince should've shot the ball more, even in clutch time where from 00-09 he was top 3 most clutch under 2minutes, under 24sec and under 6secs. I know usage rates weren't a big thing in the 2000s but I'd like to see Vince's compares to everyone else. Another thing, Even tho it's out of his control but the fact that McGrady left when they could've been the east's dynamic duo or him getting traded instead of him and Bosh becoming a duo in toronto. He was reborn in NJ indeed but those NJ teams weren't great after Kenyon martin left. J. Kidd was not much of a scorer, never average 20 in his career and never averaged 15 whipe like Carter was in NJ but he could definitely pass, defend and rebound. Jefferson was a good win to complement Carter. The rest of the team was trash, garbage big men and weak bench. Selflessness struck again in Orlando where he should've been the man and not Howard. Howard should've been the big guy who protected the paint, ran the floor, clean boards and caught lobs, his post game was basic as can be and boston show everyone.
If 25kpts, 2k 3s and HOFer is underachieving, then i need to underachieve like him
exacly carter also wanted to be traded so he didn't even try at games to make his draft stock to go down so he would get traded thats why he averaged 16 on horribe efficiency
@@AnishBhethanabotla Actually he was returning from arthroscopic knee surgery, which was wayyy worse than then it is today. After his 02 injury he became more of a jump shooter and those last year's in Toronto was bad because of that transformation needed to occur to preserve himself, when he got to the Nets it was much easier for him to score because he shared scoring duties with Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd being a great distributer. But that Nets bench was aweful, and could never overcome an injury to anyone on the big 3 which constantly happened. Forcing the Nets to a lower seed in the playoffs and having a terrible bench against a good team caused them to never go deep in the playoffs. They Nets at that time also lacked interior players, when Cater came to the team which was a serious problem for them defenseively.
I'm not saying VC is an all-time great, but the man was a fantastic player. He was drafted FIFTH overall in the 1998 draft after players like Michael Olowakandi and Ralph LaFrentz, so coming into the league people were not expecting him to be some "game changing" player, just a very good. He did have some of his best seasons within his first five years in the league, but you can't punish the man for being great at a young age. Plus, at that time, players who went to college were not typically "one and done's" so players were often coming into the league more mature than ever.
Also, VC "only made 8 all-star games and 2 all-nba teams"? Since when is that not a huge achievement? Players like Ray Allen only have 2 all-nba selections and we all know how great he was.
While Vince did hit his peak early, he was still consistent throughout his prime as a great scorer, and even adapted into a great role players for great teams like the Mavs. Obviously he's not near legends like Kobe or MJ, but I think he's on the same level as guys like Paul Pierce and T-mac.
You can't possibly say he's one of the biggest underachievers ever though when guys who have come into the league with great potential are out of the league within a few seasons, meanwhile Vince has played 20 great years.
Dan Golden This is such a great comment tbh 👏🏻👏🏻
Dan Golden TBH you can make an argument he is a top 10-12 Shooting Guard of all time
I’m sorry but Mcgrady at his best was just a superior player and Tmac has much worse talent that Vince ever did. Compare Tmacs Orlando magic days to vince’s Toronto day’s then it’s clear to see who was better
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He carried the raps in 2001 and almost got them to ecf if it wasn't for Allen Iverson
Idk Wth your talking about vince is legend period
northernlight1000 agreed. He definitely underachieved. Thats how great he could of been. To me hes the greatest dunker of all time. But other than that idk man. However he had the potential to average 26 to 27 points for his career. Hes a great guy tho. Extremely humble. One of my fav players.
northernlight1000 that Vince didn’t win as many accolades as he could have
He ain't a legend. Legends are the best players of their era for an extended period of time. Vince never was the best player in the league. But he a good player that enjoyed watching. This video is trash. Sure fire HOFer and he underachieved. Idk what this guy wants from Vince
yeah this guy is a idiot
Was he a underachiever or did people hype and expect too much of him 🤔🤔🤔
He underachieved. The guy was one of the most talented SGs of all time
Daz Take away the dunks and Vince still is one of the most talented players of the 2000s. He underachieved big time
Stupid question, did people just hype him up. Let see Vince Carter is a 6-6 guard coming out of the University of North Carolina he can create his own shot off the dribble he can slash to the basket he three-point ability and he has crazy athleticism. He was a underachiever.
@Shawn Kemp I slightly disagree. He's offensively, at least in his prime as sharp as Kobe, Even Jordan. The difference was that he never embraced the pressure of winning the way those guys did. So many times during the playoffs in his Net days, he played very "safe"; good enough not to be blamed during a loss, but certainly not good enough to win. It's the reason why he's played so long; he never left it all on the court. Even today, hes capable of throwing down a between the legs dunk, but still doesn't mix it up competition wise. Go figure.
I think it's a little bit of both. I don't think you can question the work ethic of a man who is still playing in the NBA at the age of 41. You don't do that unless you put in the work off the court to stay in tip-top condition. But I also think he was satisfied with being a star, and while he kept himself in top shape, never did much to expand his game from where it was when he came into the league.
Other people expected more of Carter than he expected of himself. But he'll make it to the Hall of Fame someday, anyway.
Speaking as a Raptor fan... watching Vince up close. Everything fell apart when Tracy left for Orlando. It all went downhill after that.
Both he and TMac made bad choices in leaving Toronto.
That man playin 20 years way more than on the court...smh did u think his influence was only on court. Let's see your CZcams channel be relevant for half of his career..then say something
I think Carmelo Anthony is the biggest under achiever in the history of the NBA
Jason Saperstein i honestly believe that aswell
Stop overrating Melo. He's not an underachiever, he's just not very good. People always overrate the ability to score which is literally the only skill Melo has. Terrible defender, terrible passer, terrible off the ball. Total ball stopper. Underachiever implies he just needed to try harder, but Melo's overall game is a terrible fit for how basketball should be played.
He my second fave I agree like shyt he not the same guy from the nugs
@@alexcrouch9 He aint overrated, he is the biggest underachiever cause he always put getting money over winning
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The video is mostly right about Carter. Where it fails is it's not mentioned that Carter was always hurt. He played hurt in the playoffs all of the time. Also the series in Orlando against Boston was the worst officiating I've ever seen and they were still competitive. The league wanted Boston back in the finals against the Lakers. Regardless, we should be talking about Carter like TMac, Grant Hill and D Rose. That's how bad the injuries were. I really monitored his career and injuries were always an issue. He probably still has the best offensive game I've ever seen, but his determination was different.
Yeah it pisses me off people barely acknowledge his injuries or acts like he wasn't injured. And almosy every season he was missing like a good 20 to 30 games. That's bull but tmac who wasn't as injured as Carter throughout his career gets a what if. I also get there were times he decided not to play hard because of things with the organization trying to phase him out. But it's always pissed me off people act like he just was never injured. Even this video. Claiming I no about his injuries. But then turn around and act like injuries didn't affect his career. I seen an interview with him saying one thing he always regretted was not letting his body heal and coming back too soon.
No!.. Vince underachieved. I like the guy, but he never had that Dog in him. Grant Hill and D Rose, had that Dog in them..
JJDPRO MEDIAPRODUCTION Drose's playstyle doomed him from the start
Underachiever how about Shaq he could've been the goat
What, how the fuck was shaq a underachiever lmao
MICOLE WHYTE If shaq stayed with his Magic’s body he would’ve have a longer prime years but not has dominated maybe just a batter career then Karl Malone’s career but instead he put on a lot of weight on a had really good prime years just not that long , he should’ve been the goat and now he’s barely top 3 center
Eduardo Covarrubias how the fuck is shaq barely top 3 center only center i say is definitively better then shaq is kareem and possibly hakeem
Bleart Zeqiri wilt
Not really... shaq is meant to be the most dominant but not the greatest... he even admitted this himself... he always wanted to be the most dominant... shaq's natural thicc body just wont last long in the nba... especially the wear and tear of 82 games plus the playoffs... plus his hands are so big that he cant shoot well.... shaq just rely too much on physical dominance rather than skills... which resulted in his game not aging well compared to the likes of tim duncan...
Great piece thanks for doing it.
it "fustrates" me when you say "fustrates"
doc rivers very fustrating indeed
This why I can't take Legend of Winning or any other simple minded people seriously. Their opinions are flawed with lacking logic or physics. First, basketball is a team sport, not an individual one. Second, when cross comparing players you compare their primes, not their ending careers. In that case, most stars were better than Kobe, because he was shit his rookie year. But no one wanna add the rookie years in the credibility info. And third, some athletes are more fortunate than others. To say Pierce is better than Carter because he shot more? Okay, then Carter is better than Kobe because he's still playing, Pierce is better than Kobe because he averaged more in his ending years, and Reggie Miller is better than all of them because heout lasted all og them playing nearly the same way instead of progressing better or deteriorating over the years.
PS: It's not the player that makes the team great it's how the player fits the team. That's why Richard Hamilton was a better fit for the Pistons as opposed to Jerry Stackhouse, despite Stackhouse being the better player. THAT'S what Vince Carter meant by him being utilized in the Nets as opposed to Toronto.
LilPrince Killa damn get him g
I feel you my dude.
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I agree but pierce did not average more then Kobe in the last few years haha
Baker Dozen was just an example my dude
He’s gonna be a hall of famer. Never had a team that was a true contender how he underachieve?
With the nets he had a great team
KÖBISCH Piek great? not even close
Great videos, very well documented, much appreciated.
U done came a long way. Keep it up. 👍🏽 u keep putting out the good work, I’ll keep watching that’s fa sho...
One thing that you can't deny ( even tho this determine his legacy or help saying he is overrated or underrated) you cannot deny he was on of if not the greatest nba athlete
ty mug
LeBron could jump as high as Vince, and Bron was stronger
Wilt would like a word with you from beyond the grave
Vince was doing better dunks in HS than Lebron in the nba....vince is pure athleticism...lebron is a freight train that can jump but very stiff in the air.
ty mug def 1 of the greatest athletes ever
Your Handsome Step-Dad lebron is also taller but Lebron is the best athlete in history of basketball. Combination of size and strength, speed, durability is unmatched. Like him or hate him. But Carter vertical is ridiculous and still is. Hes the best in game dunker ive seen. One of the greatest pure talents ive seen. Lebron is in the conversation. But hes not the one under achieving. But yeah Vince is always gonnna be one of my fav players. However I do understand his career could of been much better considering his pure talent.
I think Shaq is also a big underachiever. He could have won many more mvp’s if he wanted to. I think he was just a little to lazy and he didn’t want to work
Shaq underachieved only relative to how much raw talent he had. But 4 rings and 3 Finals MVP's?? I'll take that kind of underachieving all day.
Xavier Vega I think he was joking.....
Kazaam, Steel, Blue Chips, Scary Movie 4... no shit he was an underachiever
He could've won way more
I weren’t joking I’m mostly talking about regular season though
you nailed it, im from toronto and this is the best Vince video ive ever seen.
This is nonsense. Carter became the games best dunker, highlights, game winners, scoring. Carter Revolutionized the game for a younger generation and changed the landscape of the nba, raptors and Canada. Very few stars leave an imprint on the game the way Carter did.
Its really amazing how he's had 2 levels his entire career he was the same player for 8 years (a star) and then became a role player for the rest of his career basically going up and down on ppg for the rest of career
He lost his speed and quickness early on in his career. He was able to drive past defenders with ease but then he started to rely on his post moves and jumper. He also took less risks with injuries and lacked the fire that kobe mj had. Still a great career but didnt meet ppls expectations
Great video LOW. Keep it up big fella
Excellent video
Buuuuuut he's still the greatest drunker of all time
Yeah still haven't seen no1 posterize people in games like Vince. Best in game dunker by far. vince still has 44 inch vertical. At least last year he did. Definitely an underachiever. Still my guy tho
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You spelled Carter wrong...
Justin Last J-Rich would spend all year planning his dunk contest. Vince just came up with his dunks on the spot. J-Rich was in THREE dunk contests to Vinces one, so he got to show more dunks then Vince. Vince was a million times better dunker. J-Rich also was a very one dimensional dunker (couldn't dunk good off one foot and was only really good with his right foot forward) while Vince was VERY well rounded. Hell Vince is in his 40s and he still can do a two foot take off between the legs without even trying
And no. No one today dunks close to as good as Vince. Vinces in game dunk reel shits all over anyone's today, and its not even close. Griffin, Gordon, Zach etc... Their in game dunk reel looks like crap compaired to Vinces
Daz True, but the ability to dunk through traffic or with contact is a VERY helpful skill that does make you a better player. Often a dunk is much harder to defend then a layup. Dunking is not everything, but it is a skill that helps your game
I think Vince was one of the greatest offensive machines I ever saw during his first 10 years. 24,000 points isn't too bad neither. Sucks playing during an era when there is Lebron, Iverson, Kobe, Duncan and a ton of other legends in their prime.
Great video. This just further proves that V.C was in fact a great player. We all wanted him to be the next M.J because he had the tools to do so. The man put Canada on the map in the basketball world. He made 8 all star teams and ranks in the top 30 in all time scoring. He's played in the NBA for like 18 years. He's a legend in his own right and I'm a huge fan of his. Always will be. Great video and great job to V.C. one of the great NBA careers IMO
Excellent video. It’s good that this video was created, because so many people Are completely ignorant when it comes to Vince Carter
it's hard to call a hall of famer an underachiever
I bet you never saw prime Vince carter play.
@@Abbad1579 man I've watched Vince Carter play in high school, at UNC and his whole NBA career, I probably been watching basketball since before you was born son, sooooooo what are you saying?
@@jerryalexander8803 I watched Vince's prime in the early 2000s. He had all the talent in the world, but underachieved so much.
These arguments kill me, in the last 20 years only 5 teams have won the nba championship, anyone NOT on those teams you could make an argument for being underachievers
Great Video man.
Good video bro. I’m messin wit it.
This guy really said "He only won rookie of year, the dunk contest, and made the all star and all team..THATS ABOUT IT"
Only elite groups of guys like MJ, Kobe,Lebron can make that statement
He did develop his defensive ability a lot later in his career.
damn looking at the video of Vince dunking on everybody, there is no player in the game today like him, we miss you Vince! you still Half Man Half Amazing to me...
Very underrated youtuber my dude. Keep the grind up
He is only overrated in the context that he is probably the most naturally physically talented wing player in league history. With that in mind, he could have been a top 5 all time imo.
Seeing as he will undoubtedly be a hof inductee, is likely going to finish top 20 all time in scoring, top 5 3pt made, and will likely set a record for career longevity/seasons played, I think he's done pretty well.
There's a lot of hyperbolic stuff in this video (only 8 all star appearances, not a top 10 player of his generation, etc...) but I'll just say I disagree with some points, and agree he underachieved, but is still an all time great player.
Id say rasheed wallace was a bigger underacheiver. He had the talent to be ahead of dirk, timmy,'and kg as the best pf of his generation.
TheShachattack13 Chris webber underacheived even more.
TheShachattack13 um no he was half insane he was in the NBA over achiever
Sheed won a championship. That's on par with his talent.
Stop. He was a good player, but he wasn’t on Dirk, Tim and those guys level
TheShachattack13 i agree
Excellent channel
Good video man, can u maybe do a video detailing the career of TMAC?
Vc 15 holds a place in my heart as a raptors fan like derozan mcgrady bosh do but at the end of the day even being a legit fan of carter yeah he's not all that like hype made him seem but he'll always be the best dunker ever in my book and always have that value to my simply as a raptors fan
Without Vince, The Raps would probably have been moved out of TO. He underachieved BIG TIME (should have been an MVP candidate with his potential) but he put the Raps on the map and was the most popular player in the NBA when in TO
Lotta hate coming after this vid 😂😂
His windmills were beautiful
I’m glad u made this video I agree
Im not going to continue this video i stopped at 2:22 ...if you wanna call someone an underachiever look at Dwight Howard or melo but to say VINCE CARTER the man that made Toronto relevant in the basketball world was an underachiever is a bit of a reach ...Every time Vince went either to the semis or playoffs there were teams that had either a legendary player like AI or a great team lead by younger talent like WADE and the heat who were hard to stop...if we are talking underachiever due to not making finals and winning championships then a lot of hall of famers that played in the Jordan era should be considered to by your logic ....i know i didn’t watch your video all the way thru but it doesn’t take much to see where it was going...Just another guy thinking he knows what it’s like in the nba despite not playing for a semipro team
I know this is old impact and underachieving is too different thing Impact is more on the lines of ai Marbury Yao jordan etc also the playoffs take same can literally be said about Melo and Dwight
Why always gotta ruin my childhood these guys was my favorite players especially Vince. You speak facts tho just don't ruin my childhood lol😳😳
Xoomal Jones Chill. Dude exaggerates a bit, and sometimes a lot more than a bit.
Fr lol
@@mydogsnameislucy768 chill dude he said lol laughing at himself
@@areyoufeelingitnowmrkrabs8805 I was talking about LoW.
i still remember watching the toronto team with t mac, vc, dell curry, nd charles oakley. goddamn that was such a fun team to watch
Vince is always gonna be my favorite🌟
Imagine Kobe in Vince’s body. Mamba mentality combined with one of the most athletic bodies ever.
Facts Bro! Carter had so much talent but didn't use his full potential
That’s basically Mj.
Basically. But keep in mind that Carter at maybe 70% of his potential was just as if not more athletic than MJ.
God damn I miss that purple headband playoff run. Alvin hitting that dagger to beat the Knicks on the road in the Garden is still my most fond Raptor memory from my childhood.
Your on to something here brother
VC's weakness were as follows;
1) Poor quickness/agility (not the same as speed)
2) Poor ability to read the defense (this is also Derozan's biggest flaw)
3) Made to improvements to his game such as adding moves like Kobe did every year
4) Too much reliance on shooting and not aggressive enough
5) Not competitive enough/settles
very fair criticisms
Damian lillard theory goes for people calling Melo overrated
not really sure if i agree, but I APPRECIATE someone willing to mix it up!!!!!!!!!
This is great video. He was so flashy and electric he was on of my favorite players. Then he kinda just disappeared. I. was pretty shocked to find out he paying in Sacramento
Shawn Kemp I completely understand why hes labled a underachiever. He had talent and he had people to play with on each team. He just never lived up to the hype. It's crazy.
How can Vince be overrated when people don't rate him at all? We know what happened to him: injuries and the laid back way he played the game after his first 4 years.
Still one of my favorite players of all time
The Biggest Underachiever is Derrick Coleman(I know most don't know him). Derrick was a beast and a point Powerforward who got NBA's first 100 Million Dollar Contract and basically once he got his money...Didn't give a fk!! He even got fat and created future concerns about giving players big contracts. Young Derrick Coleman was amazing and very similar to Magic Johnson. Him Kenny Anderson and Drazen Petrovic were brilliant!
Half man half amazing big respect to VC ✌️
But Vince was never on a championship calibur team (besides ORL but he was past his prime at that point) nor did he have a championship calibur coach. I guess you can say the mavs when he joined but that team like him was severely aged. So just saying. As for the NJ nets comment I grew up watching that team. Vince and that NJ nets team needed a big man. That was their Achilles heel. They had a decent bench but they never had a big man.
Ranmyaku Jouten (猥雑 上天) THANK YOU
SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT NETS TEAM IM A BIG NETS FAN AND BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE LONGEST THAT WE NEEDED A BIG MAN TO SLOW DOWN SHAQ AND OTHER BIG MEN
Ranmyaku Jouten (猥雑 上天) *caliber
RIght they dog they dudes who went at it solo for the chip but now dog the guys who only want a chip make up your mind.
Vince Carter played with no allstars on the Toronto Raptors and when he finally got some help with Jalen Rose they trashed him and traded him. The Raptors have always also failed small forwards, like they have no ideas how to use them and that is why it took until 2018 to have small forwards doing anything because they started playing position-less ball. He developed too many bad habits, and this is why Mcgrady wanted to leave too because they didn't know how to use small forwards properly. Any small forward for the raptors since their invention has not done well. Not James Johnson, not Mcgrady, not Terrance Ross, or any other small forward and this is because for some reason they want their small forwards (until this year 2018) to stand in the corner 90% of the time and shoot threes. This is what also made it hard for VC to be aggressive (which was a big complaint not only to him but virtually every small forward the raptors have ever had) and they expect him and all these small forwards to be aggressive when its the Raptors' coaching staffs fault. And yes I know there have been many different coaches since VC but please just look at their games past and present and you will see I am right, that the style of play for small forward position is completely the same. When they switched VC at times with Mo Pete position wise the same thing happened to him, always in the corner shooting 3s. And like I said no talent. I mean the best players besides VC was Mo Pete and Antonio Davis....really....
@LegendofWinning this was good can u do Vince Carter or Tracy mcgrady who had a better career???!!
It raises the question. It doesn’t beg the question.
Dwight Howard should be next for underachieve
TiddySauce either or. you can make a strong case for both
Dwight at the very least has carried his team to the Finals. There A LOT of star players that can't even say that.
Exactly..... so with out injury / sudden decline what could he have done? You mean to tell me as young as Dwight was when he left Orlando that that was all he could do? He just had a 30/30 game. The man was a 3x's DPoY. And now he's on a team that's just happy to make the playoffs.
You make some great points but if we're being completely honest VC would've had a completely different career if he was brought into a great organization like kobe with the Lakers.
I remember being in middle school and everyone was talking about how either VC or Kobe were gonna be the next Jordan.
Thanks for this video. I wasn't sure I'd call him the biggest underachiever but I can totally see your point. He definitely didn't accomplish much to build his own résumé and it's too bad, he could have accomplished so much.
Only 2 all nba teams?… only a few Allstars appearances?.. Only 2 finals appearances?.. Idk.. This one is kinda a reach..nobody said he better than kobe .. But underachiever? Idk.. I don't think so
But that's not HOF accolades, that's Hall of Very Good
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underachiever my ass 😋... we still love him.. rings or no rings
@@emoh9225 He was an underachiever lol
Underachiever? Probably. The biggest? That is a stretch dude.
I don't know if he's the biggest underachiever, he did have some injuries, but then again, he's hung around 20 years.18-5-3 isn't spectacular but it's not too bad either. Could he have had a better, shorter career? Maybe. He should probably retired when he left Dallas in 14. The last four or five years have been pretty pointless other than he loves to play and he got paid handsomely. He'll still go to the Hall I'm sure. He's not a 50 greatest by any means, maybe not even 75 greatest? Tough to say. His runs in Toronto and even NJ were good but not great. Orlando and Dallas were ok to have happened but even by the time he got to the Magic, he was a shell of his former self. Also in his defense, he played in a pretty solid era. Duncan, KG, Dirk, Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, Nash, AI, etc were all great and had better careers.
Are you gonna do something similar to the nba preview for the playoffs?
Im very gratefull for the free content and i do enjoy your videos alot. But as a carter fan, im exiting this video without a thumbs up or thumbs down.
Heres some names id like you to look into please. Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, Antoine Walker, and Steve Francis.
he is still a top 10 shooting guard of all time and one of the best dunkers of all time
Eli Adler no he's not. He's top 30 if that
He is a top 75 player of all time
Marvin M. McIntyre name 30 sgs better than him.
Nets 4life
1.Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Dwayne Wade
4. Clyde drexler
5. Allen iverson
6. Richard Hamilton
7. Ray Allen
8. James harden
9. Mitch Richmond
10. Tracy mcgrady
11. Klay Thompson
12. Demar derozan
13. Joe Johnson
14. Bruce bowen
15. Reggie Miller
16. Allan Houston
17. Sam jones
18. Manu ginolobli
19.Joe Dumars
20. George gervin
21. Paul George
22. Eddie jones
23.glen rice
24. Jamal Crawford
25. Byron scott
26. Latrell spreewell
27. Hal Greer
28. Jerry west
29. Sydney moncreif
30. Vince Carter
Marvin M. McIntyre wtf type of list is that? Bruce Bowen? Richard Hamilton at 6? DeRozan, Klay, Allan houston, miller, Eddie Jones, rice, crawford, Greer and scott and others are not better than Carter wtf.
before injury he was 1/2 man 1/2 amazing. after injury hes just that guy that USE to do crazy dunks and sometimes able to create some flashback moments.
as a role player, hes alrite... but to me i always see him as an 'entertainer' rather than a competitor. dunking, boosting team morale, and hyping the stadium up was his thing.
What vid is that at the end? Where Kenny’s saying if he won a championship
I agree he vastly underachieved. If you really followed Vince you know he had all the abilities and talent to be better than Kobe. Injuries didn't really derail him except for maybe the 02-03-04 years. He simply never had that heart or killer instinct. If he had the same mindset as Kobe he'd kill Kobe on everything. But he didnt. His legacy should've been far more prolific. Although I'll say Toronto didn't do shit for him and coasted on his popularity. I'm a huge VC fan since he came into the league and he really disappointed me throughout childhood man. PS: Sam Mitchell hated Vince and he didn't run the offense through Vince it was through bosh and the "team". Sam was a asshat.
286mic nah mindset and killer instinct don’t just magically make you better at basketball, he wasn’t just gonna be a defender out of nowhere or a playmaker
Ricky Delgado dude he avg 5apg for awhile. If he was determined to improve like Kobe did he would've avg 6apg no problem. As for defending, are you kidding me? He was by far the most athletic player, you think he couldn't defend whoever he wanted if he put his mind to it? Vince underachieved with his gifts, he should've been greater. Don't @me again cause you clearly never actually watched him.
Killer instinct wasn't the problem, Vince had that in spades. He just didn't have Kobe's work ethic. Kobe was determined to improve his game EVERY year and Vince didn't have that kind of dedication.
Vince has an insane work ethic, that's how he's still playing and is more athletic than 50% of the league at 41. His flaw was his niceness. He didn't want to be a ballhog, didn't want to step on toes when he got to a new team, and was too willing to slide into complimentary roles when he was still the best scorer on his team (Orlando)
Mike Sannitti
I'm not talking about his physical conditioning, I'm talking about improving his game. Vince's game never really evolved much since his rookie year.
Yet he's considered a hall of famer and Dwight Howard isn't
Andrew Fontenot anybody that says Howard isn't a hof is just stupid in the first place
Dwight isn’t borderline anything. He could literally retire right now and make the HOF. His career accomplishments are more than enough to be first ballot
Dwight Howard not a hall of famer?
wtf!
dwight is a hof
3 dpoys will get him that hof selection
Great ending!
Vince was a superstar, but I've been saying this about melo and Vince for years. They play that way to prolong their career. When Vince sees that he is not on a championship team he pulls back his aggressiveness and plays in cruise control. This is why his defense was always lacking because, as oppose to offense, defense takes a lot of motivation and energy. We can see that Vince carters technique has worked. He is still playing and jumpin out the gym
Low key it’s Shaq
The Wallstar he could’ve done more if he had a good work ethic and didn’t let himself get out of shape
Dguz7 exactly
He was teammates with a lot of all stars. Like a LOT. How many good teams? Nets...Magic...Mavericks...Grizzlies...
VyXious 2711 nets had jkidd, kenyon (overrated), and richard jefferson, yeah that’s a pretty good team. he still carried them to the playoffs without kids and jefferson. magic had young dwight (not even the rookie of the year in 04-05), everyone on that mavs team was past their primes by 10 years, can’t even try to say those teams carried him, and i threw up when i saw grizzlies. marc gasol and mike conley? tony allen? vince was late 30s when he got to memphis too, wasn’t gonna produce much, no one does in their late 30s. he proved time and time again that he could play at a high level without stars. i noticed how you didn’t include the raptors, when he had t-mac for a season and his best teammate was antonio davis.
VyXious 2711 The Nets only had Jason Kidd and RIchard Jefferson, they never had any inside presence whatsoever and no bench. The Mavs had an aging and often injured Dirk, and their best player was Monta Ellis 🙄. The Grizzlies were also a very old team who were constantly matched up against the Warriors and Spurs in the first round each year. Carter was also past his prime during his tenure with both the Mavs and Grizzlies. The Magic were a very good team but Vince only had one year with them and it didn’t work too well (partially because Howard and Vince both played terrible).
Those teams weren't that good. The Magic were the best of them by far.
Shawn Kemp, Eric Snow never had Kidd's passing or rebounding ability at any point. Even though he can't shoot, he did adjust his game later and became a deadly 3 point shooter if you leave him open.
I really like that comparison, "rich man's eric snow" LOL~
His highlights and longevity will put him in hall of fame in 20 or 30 years
I agree 100 % , I''ve never saw him as what he was advertised to be !!.
as a die hard tarheel fan born in the 80s i always said vince was completely overrated in the early 2000's he was good a beast but he wasn't on the upper echelon of the nba hierarchy like he was portrayed to be
bridget's son then who was at that time besides Ai , Kobe, Kg , Tim, T-Mac and Shaq. VC was amongst the elite at that time come on now
that's interesting because both Raptor and Nets became the worst team in the league right after he was traded, try to explain that. Also people were talking about him carrying the team when play against Heat, but best dunker of all time is just too good to compare with other titles
simple the rapters were already mediocre as you can see by the fact kobe put up 81 on them he was mostly hurt for them anyways so his value wasnt great anyway hence the sam mitchell fight nets window was closed he was there last piece they had from there championship chasing and after they traded him both teams went to a rebuild neither team matters in the FA market if you want ny got to the knicks and no one likes paying double taxes for toronto and the usa so they lose a lot of appeal that way and ny the way one series does not make him the superstar he was portrayed to be he was basically a super rudy gay a guy who looked the part but never really took that leap to the heights many thought he should have
Or i can say his team is just bad and he was the only all star on his team, could achieve more with a good big man?
Yes he was, Vince was box office during that time.
You literally talked down on the entirety of Vince Carter's career. That's completely ridiculous; this was bias and misleading.
Imagine watching one of the great players of today play great for like 7 years and just play the rest of his years.. like 14 more years … as a fukn journeyman…. As a fan of the player … that does hurt alittle bit.. or just make you wonder what tf happened … imagine if Kyrie just stayed in the league for another 14 years and averaged like 10 points 😂…. You’d be scratching your head.. well that how anyone that watched Vince play in the early 2000s feels . Trust me
I would agree with you in this video. Vince Carter to me was as close to being a Michael Jordan type of player as there is, he could dunk he could create his own shot off the dribble slash to the basket he was a better 3-point shooter than Jordan. I was so odd how Vince Carter's career started going downhill around like 2005 and be became a good role player.
Webber was offended at the end 🤣
Not the BIGGEST underachiever ever but could have done more