Steve Nash Regrets Not Shooting More 3s | Bill Simmons's Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer
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- In Game 4 of the 2007 Western Conference semifinals, Robert Horry hip-checked Steve Nash in what has become one of the most famous fouls in NBA history. Former Phoenix Suns legend Steve Nash joined HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons to discuss that game, its ramifications, Mike D'Antoni, and what the Suns meant to the league at that time.
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Dude would thrive in today’s nba was just a little to early
Very true. Yet, in all things, someone has to be the pioneer. Someone has to take the first step. There's a reason Steph Curry said his favorite player to watch growing up was Steve Nash.
Joshua Frick True
Any oldschool player would the nba is wack now. No defense. Of course they would thrive df
He was two time mvp he wasn’t too early
i get what you're sayin', but dude did thrive. If Horry hadn't pulled that stunt, the Suns would have certainly won the championship that year. In my book Nash > Curry any day of the week.....
Since 2000 I don’t think there is a pg that has gotten more people paid than Nash. A lot of players owe him a few steak dinners for what he did to their career.
True!
Marcin Gortat comes to mind.
@@thetuesday Gortat got paid because he was good at Magics as Dwights back up. But definitely overpaid
The facts 💯💯
Channing Frye would 100% never stayed in the league if it weren’t for Nash
Regrets the things under his control. Not what “happened to him”... bad calls etc. Impressive perspective. .
That Horry hip check killed the series. As Simmons wrote in his book "even a washed up Horry could swing a series" lol.
Back then teams used to have hitmen on the bench, no?
The hip check happened because the refs let the Spurs get away with murder all game. If the refs had reined the overly physical stuff in earlier, then Horry wouldn’t have felt free to do the hip check. Basically the league’s power structure wanted to punish the Suns for playing the game differently than everyone else, so the refs had David Stern and Stu Jackson’s implicit approval to allow the Spurs to beat the crap out of them, then slap overly-harsh punishments on any Sun who reacted.
David Landon imagine being this soft
David Landon that’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever fucking read. The league was against the Suns cuz they played differently?? Moron
Suns players getting suspended for barely stepping on the court and nowadays, LeBron is celebrating on the court in the midst of the play happening all around him..😄. Funny how times have changed!
Nash is underrated af.
Al Panuncillo true but the man did win not one, but TWO MVP’s.
@@_internetnoah yeah. But he still does not get enough credit for it.
Hes a two time world champion he lead the suns to the best record in the west. Df you talking about
People spent a decade slandering him because a white boy won an MVP over Kobe, sad people
@@bradyc1793 kobe 1000000000000 times better then nash the. Dont get it twisted. Nash still a beast
For people who don't think Nash could've been an elite scorer, in the 2005 playoffs against Dallas it was the Mavs game plan to make Nash a scorer and not a playmaker, and he averaged 30ppg and 12apg on 55%fg, 42% 3pfg. The last 4 games of that series he averaged 37 and 12 on 60% fg and 50% from 3. In today's NBA he would've been told to take 8-10 threes a game and score much more. Would've been interesting to see
What’s insane is that they basically were saying let him get his and not beat us with his passing, yet he was still able to get 12 assists a game in that series in addition to scoring 30.
Nash's highest scoring season was under 19 ppg he wasn't a scorer.. Trae Young is gonna be what Nash could've been if he didn't play so passive all the time
@@joestuehmer7967 Trae is horribly inefficient and half the passer.
@@daddytrav lol ok... Look up Nash's stats for his second season he was a garbage can in comparison to Trae
@@joestuehmer7967 In a way apples and oranges. Nash was playing behind Jason Kidd. With that said very efficient. Steve nash is Billy hoyle. Trae is Sydney deane
What’s cool is he did not say a thing about any excuses about any all of this
THE REAL DEAL
I thinks that’s because he doesn’t have any legit ones.
Despite his 2 MVPs, Nash is still under appreciated.
thats because the 2005 mvp was shaq and the 2006 mvp was kobe. those guys were leaps and bounds better individual players. the suns were stacked and d'antoni's system is why nash got all the assists. he was nothing close to that type of player on dallas under a regular set offense.
@@kennethgriffin7921 Nash was streight fire he was better then Curry if he would shoot the ball more he would be as good as him shooting nevermind the ability to playmake and his incredible asists.
@@gospaironija2762 lol no
He's overrated in terms of MVPs. Kobe was more deserving than Nash. But in terms of being in topic or stayibg relevant in discussions, yes, nash is underrated
@@kennethgriffin7921 I can tell you didn't watch those seasons. The Suns revolutionzed the NBA with their offense. It wasn't about stats. It was the impact Nash made on the team. He orchestrated everything. He deserved the MVP both years.
I’m so glad Nash is saying this, like, it’s all I was thinking about with him in the Suns...he just didn’t look for his shot enough. I think he would’ve been much higher on the all-time list if he would’ve done that...& I believe you can hear that regret in his voice. But, hindsight is 20/20 he was still my favorite player to watch in the league during his prime...but with his gifts at that time period, I think he could’ve reached top ten all-time if he shot more early as he was by far the best player on that team...not even a close second.
I wish Nikola Jokic see this interview and realise he needs to shoot more
He’s top 10 all time in assists.... I think he’s sitting somewhere around 20,000 pts though.... not bad numbers at all
I kinda felt his pain while talking about that game. What a great player he was. He should have won a 'ship.
Idk them vs the cavs could've been interesting
It's absolutely insane to think of memories watching those Suns teams. They were pushing the pace hard and the style was revolutionary, but then you compare it to the modern day and it's the slowest pace in the league with the least 3's. Absolutely insane.
Revolutionary? Not winning a thing is revolutionary? Ok
As a spurs fan I loved this suns team. Better rivalry than spurs / lakers.
@@TL2354 Yeah it is dumbass. Look at the game today vs back then.
But more fun to watch the Nash Suns than most of today's teams
imagine prime Nash with today's Houston Rockets. would be scary.
Capella would be an allstar, easy buckets for him.
They would still lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs. Seriously how many times do people have to see this system fail before they realize it doesn't work? Suns never won anything. Same with the Rockets. It's like people are enamored with the fast pace score a lot of points stuff while they ignore the fact the team doing this repeatedly loses in the playoffs and never even makes it to at least the Finals.
He wouldnt choke like my boy harden. I would appreciate prime nash on the rockets over harden anyday. Nash balled out in the playoffs every time.
we always debated the imagine if " he was on the 90's knicks" instead of starks.
Harden and his asthma couldn't keep up.
In his Suns era, people only evaluated as high vs low percentage shots. By the time the Spurs and Warriors motion offence came, people realized the value of pulling the defense away from the middle
I see him coach an nba team someday. Legend
rod axel he did assistant right?
He was an assistant coach or consultant or something for the Warriors in 2017 I think
Guys with $100m+ dollars who have dedicated 30 years of their life’s to the game and all the travel and pressure aren’t going to be coaches generally
He probably could but i doubt it. Hed prefer to train players
He’s already a special assistant for GSW.
Make no mistake, the Suns CRUSHED Cleveland twice that same year. San Antonio went on to sweep them but Phoenix would have as well. David Stern decided the championship when he suspended the Suns' leading scorer and his main back up at the same time.
Stern sucked on that call. No judgement.
Nah suns where up 20 points in game 5
@@NlneLives210 Yeah, they were up 20 while playing 6 guys and ran out of gas in the second half. So yes, Stern decided the series by taking 2 of their main guys away. Look at more than a few stats.
where is stern now?
1980s dude David Stern. The commissioner that made what the NBA is now today.
Him and Amar'e were a force back in the day
It was only ten years ago
One of the best duos in history
1/10th of a century
Yeah. Very underrated duo. Stat and Nash's Suns would absolutely KILL in today's league.
Steve Nash is the player that really "changed the game." Everyone else took the league he made to the next level. Congratulations to them, but don't erase what Steve and those Suns did.
I'm sorry but this is horseshit. Steve's suns did not change the game, they did not change the way other teams and players set up, they didn't change the shots people were taking, they didn't change the type of players who got paid, they didn't change anything.
The warriors strategy was so dominant that it literally changed how basketball in the NBA is played, it was so effective that even the skeptics couldn't deny it. They have changed the whole paradigm in such a fundamental way that to suggest the suns did anything even remotely close is offensive.
@@ImBarryScottCSS LOL, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You have conveniently glossed over the fact the Steve Kerr became the Suns GM while Steve Nash was already the dominant player in Pheonix, Alvin Gentry was a D'Antoni assistant, a head coach to Steve, and literally installed the SAME offense they had in Pheonix, as the offensive coordinator in Golden State. So much so that Alvin Gentry's post-championship comment to the media was, "Tell Mike D'Antoni he's been vindicated." Mike D'Antoni DID NOT run that offense when he was the head coach in Denver. Steve was the only established player on that Suns team (many went on to become "established players") so Mike geared the offense around him. Nash NEVER played with Golden State yet he is a consultant for their team and has been. The Warriors went from 7th place to the best team ever, by simply changing their player's deployment to what Kerr observed in PHEONIX. Karl Malone said he never ran the pick and roll in the "high" position (near the top of the key) the side PNR was standard in the NBA until the Steve Nash Suns. With all due respect to one of history's great teams, they have never done anything offensively that the Spurs, Suns or Bulls didn't do... NOTHING. "21/pistol" "high pick and roll" "pace and space" "slot action" and running to the corners were all Suns innovations and they are ALL standard play now. Now those are FACTS. If you have something other than just insistence and narrative please enlighten me. I'm always open to learning more about basketball.
Him and D'Antoni did, absolutely.
@@ShareefusMaximus you sure were ready for an opposing response lol
What did they do besides come up short every year? Teams that win change the game, why would anyone wanna copy something that didn’t win?
As a Suns fan, I was so frustrated when Nash would pass up everything besides a wide open shot. But guess what? That’s why he was a legendary playmaker and shot 50/40/90. Who knows if he had taken more contested shots.
He would be up there with ray and curry
He averages 23 points and about 8 assists in today’s game... 17/10 type player turns into a 23/8 player
He was a true pass first PG... much in the vein of Stockton! Don’t forget, he would turn it up if he had to... had over 30 pts MANY TIMES in his career!
@@derrickdavis5836 would be?? Before curry there was Nash. Curry had to get to Nash's level
@@jaccbolton nah
Tim duncan also stepped on court but nothing happened to him. Steve nash, go coach ricky rubio out in phx
This was the best podcast in the series so far. Well done.
I see Nash. I click. It's as simple as that.
Steve Nash would be on what Stephen Curry’s level is today. I used Nash in NBA2k7 playing in that “find the three” style, killin em. I hope to see Steve Nash coaching one day in the NBA with a PG of similar caliber to him.
Nets coach now
I can’t think of David Stern without thinking about how he allowed this series to get fixed by a rule technicality. The suspensions, which in turn gave the Spurs the ‘07 title, are part of Stern’s legacy.
Goodfella stern is a Jew.
“Gave” the spurs the 07 title? No. Spurs still had to play the cavs , so they didn’t just “give” them the title. Both Simmons and Nash sound a little butthurt btw.
@@raymondcortinas6259 the Spurs went 10-1 after that game. Yes Stern and the league office gave them the title with those bogus suspensions. Let’s keep it real - Whoever won that series was going to win it all that year.
Think about what you are saying and what im saying. Im telling you facts and you are speculating. Spurs still had to play the Cavs and anything could have happened during that series maybe Duncan would have got hurt, maybe Parker or Ginobilli would have gotten hurt. Maybe the cavs would have gotten hot, but we know that didn’t happen. Another set of facts for you. From 2003-2008 the Spurs eliminated the suns from the playoffs all of which nash was on the suns so maybe just maybe the suns were just not built to handle the Spurs. You on the other hand is speculating and accusing stern of “giving” the Spurs the titl, speculating that the suns would have beat the cavs. Anything could have happened but didn’t. Everything THAT I pointed out actually did. Keep dreaming thats what imagination is about.
Robert so clutch
Book of Basketball is Real Asf. listening to this every shift at work 💪🏽🥇
John Stockton was also a conservative shooter even though, numbers wise, he’s like a top 5 all time shooter.
Talk that Jazz sh!t 🗣🗣🗣
He's actually 86th all time in 3 point percentage, 21st all time in eFG%
noremaC Yeah no shit but among players that have at least a 35% career 3 point percentage and averaged at least one 3 pointer per game for their career, he is 6th all time in true shooting percentage, which is the best statistic for shooting once you add in the two other factors I mentioned.
@@gorkajames6475 TS% favors catch and shooters, doesn't account for degree of difficulty. Definitely a good measure for comparing similar players from the same era but ridiculous to compare every player all time by it
noremaC Also TS% obviously doesn’t compare players across the entire history of NBA/ABA since 3P line, which is one of the factors the statistic considers, didn’t always exist
Nash is top 10 pg of all time. He’s top 5 in my fav pg. His IQ and vision was masterful.
Did you know it’s impossible to breath while smiling??
Kidding just wanted y’all to smile. If you’re reading this bruv (or bruvette), understand that you are amazing bro, have a blessed day and don’t let nobody ruin your day bro. Get ya bread and all the crumbs too.
Steve was my Hero growing up. Played just like him and he was always honorable. I played soccer first and then switched to bball so I feel like I saw the game like him.
This man never gets talked about anymore. He could control a game with 10 points and 10 assists. The only people that understand my comment are those that saw Nash play.
My favorite player to watch. He was so good with his off hand. Most ambidextrous player I have seen, passing, dribbling, shooting. Absolutely the best passer I have ever seen. Four time member of the 50-40-90 club and missed a fifth time by just one made free throw. Could score when needed (48 against Dallas in ayoffs). He was the best shooter over a decade from more places the floor than anybody, Ray Allen number two. Just an exceptional player.
He is so well spoken. What a cool guy
this interview is gold
I wish Nash got him that ring he deserve it
It's his fault for not scoring more.
warriors got him a ring
What a all around good guy
Steve Nash should be a regular guest on sports talk shows. He was indeed very conversative with his shots. He was making tham and then suddenly would just keep on passing when he could have taken over.
Best podcast out there!
Man those Suns teams were so fun to watch! Its crazy that their pace then is considered avg or below average in todays game. Kudos to them for an amazing run!
I live in Phoenix. Saw that team play in person about 15 times. Miss those days
Man, miss these games so much. Am a huge Nash fan, and used to hate the spurs because they were so dirty but in this smart, wily way. It was such an amazing rivalry watching the upstarts with their small, crafty hero with a giant heart take on this well oiled, disciplined, cunning almost sinister feeling spurs squad.
Damn, but funny thing is, Manu was my second favorite player. And one of my favorite plays of his, and for my money it was the definition of a wily play, in that its kind of clever but also completely underhanded, was this one time, as the broadcast was cutting to a commercial, they showed a replay of Amare trying to run after a rebound and, in slow mo, you see he like struggle for a second, then he points down, and the camera pans down and Manu is legit holding his leg, like something out of a cartoon.
Man, dont wanna sound like an old man, but im just not sure there are these kind of compelling characters, heated rivalries, or like paradigm defining clashes of ideology in todays league.
Thinking about that series just made me sick.
The league hate the Suns
Brian Saganey what series and year was it
Allen Chevez suns-spurs 2007 playoffs
Steve Nash is a legend in Canada. Good ol BC boy made it in the bigs. Respect Steve 🇨🇦
Career 43% three point shooter in 18 years.
Let THAT one sink in...
Kidd has made 2000 more threes than Nash. Let that sink in. Also, No 50 40 90 club is Nash tries to take that many shots.
Bill wishes Nash would have won like he was a Celtic.
GPGOAT. Steve is a classy chap. Perfect self assessment.
Steve Nash is my favorite player of all time. Nash would annihilate in today’s NBA.
Is this episode out yet? Gonna love this shit.
Nash was an unreal player, Im not sure if people know this but he says that he could’ve been a professional soccer player too and was better at it, he was like Allen Iverson with football.
Congrats for getting the Brooklyn job
This interview shows how good of a coach he would be
So that's two decisions where Stern screwed up:
1. Penalizing the Suns for the Horry hip check on Nash
2. The Chris Paul trade.
Anymore?
L.Pasteur 3.Sonics
Here's a question I'm curious of. I want more answers.
L.Pasteur I think the only reason Stern vetoed the trade was because of the fixed Lakers/Kings and Lakers/Suns he was involved in, so he was hearing the music and covering his ass.
Nash the GOAT PG, dude single handily got me to pick up a basketball by just watching him. God bless his soul
That series was wild. A bench extender annihilated the opposing team’s best player and the receiving team ends up with catastrophic suspensions for having two players step on the floor.
Big shot Bob...lol
@@RLSmith-jt8qj Cheap shot Rob
Those are the rules
Nash is easily in my top 3 favorite players to watch - not saying GOAT or anything. But I loved Nash's game and wish I could've watched him play in today's game. Those Suns/Spurs games were amazing to watch.
People dont appreciate how good that era was. The western conference was too good.. Every playoff game was worth watching unlike in the east were you knew who was going to win until the conf Finals. Nash is my favorite player right next to Kobe. Todays basketball just isn't as fun to watch as it was then. I hated watching the Sun's era come to an end.
What it really comes down to is who’s the most exciting to watch. People get too into stats and winning sometimes. Gotta remember sports are entertainment FIRST and everything else second. If it’s not entertaining who gives a shit, and Nash has always had that entertaining aspect (while also being super efficient)
@@JakeMCGreen Nash was the definition of a crafty SOB. He was towards the bottom of the league when it comes to athleticism with average height and speed for a pg, but he managed to do things nobody else could do like him. He was a playmaking genius with pure scoring abilities.
The players had been leashed by Stern because of the Malice at the Palace during that time We've seen some leniency from Silver more recently.
Nash is gonna be like the Stockton of the 2000s. Underrated and not nearly appreciated enough.
Stockton was better, but Nash was a beast for sure
Sunny Bibra I said the same thing during an AMA with the nba experts and one of them pointed out that with exception of Nash's defense compared the Stockton, that is 100% accurate.
In NBA Live during that time I always picked the Suns and dropped 40 with Nash. Always wondered why he didn’t just take games over but those were the times
i was so pissed when that happened. it swung the series like draymond's suspension swung the finals against the cavs.
That's another lame one. NBA needs to realize that when it's a tough call to make, you should always side with letting the players decide the games.
Warriors blew a 3-1 lead is different going home 2-2 lol!
@@caseybriones1085 the suspension was similar, not the series, genius.
Oh my bad for not analyzing your comment thoroughly. Still the warriors blew a 3-1 lead lol
@@Alic4444 Spurs still would have won
I remember this stuff so well. I think Nash lived in Tribeca during the offseason back then.
I heard he played pickup ball around Manhattan back then. If I still lived in NY back then I would have tried to track him down and play 1 on 1 to 11. The bet being if I score 5 or more he has to shoot more the upcoming season lol!
Dude could get whatever he wanted whenever he wanted it. To some degree I had to admire his unselfishness. It's easy to be pass first when you have limited scoring ability.
But this dude had a complete scoring arsenal. I wonder if his brother ever said "Hey Bro, Dad said he thinks you should shoot more."
He definitely left some chips on the table. But I get it. He really took pride in sharing the rock.
“The conspiracy “ .. in other words .. the rig Vegas has set
My favorite point gaurd of ALLLLL-TIMMMME!
Such a classy gentleman
Hearing them discuss “selling the call” reminds me of how Manu flopped so good/bad like a soccer man. And that really contextualizes how Lebron justified his flops in any interview without actually admitting it when he was indirectly asked; do anything to win.
Honestly Steve is the best offenSive PG in the last three decades. If you think about it, they was nothing he couldn’t do offensively. He made everyone better, he could shoot from anywhere, and he could finish.
He is the best. What a Great guy. In my all Time Team he is the PG
It's crazy to think he would be even more legendary if played in today's league. His style just a perfect fit for modern basketball. Fantastic 3 points shooter, very fast paced and you don't have to play defense these days
This collective experience of playing fast, playing efficient and playing small is what paved the way for the warriors dynasty
awesome!!
I will never forget this as a huge Suns fan! This resulted in two of our players getting suspended! I hate this Spurs and Horry with a passion to this day.
Class act
That PHX team was beast.
Best PG ever. Super balanced. Had extremely good vision and IQ
So... So... Much... Heartache
Watching this reminds me how much I loved that Phoenix team and it never got the respect it deserves. EVERY damn year was some stupid shit (Joe Johnson breaking his ankle, stupid Robert Horry shit, Ron Artest tip 2 second remaining...)
Love you Steve, and love you Bill for doing this
My first favorite player
That suns team made me love basketball. They are underrated
"He's underrated" "He should've played now" "The Suns should've played today"
He has 2 MVP's take it easy y'all I think he's done enough.
Love Steve Nash
Refs always ruining something
The NBA pushes certain teams/players and have the refs carry it out.
This was the most bullshit moment in a league with a lot of bullshit moments. Read the damn room and let the players finish the series, not the refs.
A non sports fan that watched part of the game noticed it seemed something was wrong and there was too much aggression on the floor
It's not the refs, it's the NBA
I like how you they are talking about revolutionizing basketball with all the there's and dantoni wanting just to go faster and shoot more threes as if it actually works. But here you have dantoni still with no ring while shooting mostly threes while teams that find a balance and have the ability to slow down are the ones who win.
I usually listen at 1.5x on Podcast, didn’t realize how slow the tempo of the main beat was...
people say he shouldnt have won 2 mvps- at the time- he was applauded, then a few years after- people were saying how shaq should have won them- now its coming around again- where people see and are reminded again- just how diminant he was - due to how dominant the guards are today- using what he brouighjt to the game.
Nobody says Shaq should have won them... People say Kobe should have won them and they are right. Kobe was clearly the best player in the league both years that Nash won it, but he was ignored because people didn't like his personality and the cloud of his court case was still hanging over him.
@@ImBarryScottCSS He's talking about Nash's first MVP in 2005. The Lakers didn't make the playoffs. Kobe wasn't even in the MVP conversation.
Nashtastic is best ever because he said he hoped he had a forehead scar for the rest of his life, because it was from a collision with john Stockton. The best point guard of all time, his words.
Nash was just ahead of his time mane
Yep. A point ppl forget.
Taking a bunch of threes was a cardinal sin back then.
My 8th grade coach would bench your ass if you took a 3 in transition/fast break.
Make it or not.
He'd also bench the center if I got a rebound over him.
One of the best point guards ever.
I could watch him speak all day
Magic, Steph, Nash Top 3 pg of all time
For as long as I live, I'm going to remember Steve Nash
As a Lakers fan I used to love how passive Nash and CP3 were offensively. Of course they’re gonna kill us with assists but when those two putting up 15-20 shots a game they were unstoppable
Man I wish my man Steve Nash would have won a Championship in Dallas one of the best free throw percentage in the league and all around game. Would take him over any point guard in today's game he see the big picture when he's on the court Vision Goat. 👁🐐
5:00 "Corey comes over and body checks you" 🤔
Pod father, huge fan of book of basketball series. But can you allow your guests to elaborate a bit more?
I really think Steve would be a good coach. Hope he gets some opportunities in the future.
if Nash had shot twenty times a game, he would have got 30 points per game.
he was a much better scorer than he showed, he just chose to run the point like Stockton and Magic did. his ball handling and shooting was so good
Probably one of the greatest teams to never make a finals. Though once or twice they were clearly screwed.
- Amare getting suspended...that changed the dynamics. They could have gone to a game 7 if Amare had played in Game 5.
The Suns at the time, as good as they were, didn't really have enough "dirty work" guys. Because SAS was good inside as PHX was outside, getting extra possessions from rebounds and deflections were key to swinging games.
Most championship teams of recent memory have it. MJ's Bulls had Rodman and Horace. 00's Lakers had Horry, Walker, and Fox for the 3-peat and had Fisher, Odom and Bynum for the back to back. 08 Celtics had Perkins, Tony Allen, Powe, Davis and Rondo. GSW had Zaza, McGee, Ezeli and has Draymond. Toronto has Ibaka, OG, Gasol and VanVleet. Cavs had Thompson, Smith, Delly, and Mozgov. During their run, PHX had some defenders in Bell and Marion but they couldn't get rebounds.
People forget when Curry won his 2 MVPs Nash was helping him
Xavier Rainey what?
He actually wasn’t under Warriors management during currys first MVP and most of the 2nd. But he has been influential in the past 3 years
I always believe Nash was the pioneer of the modern domination of pointguards today. It was Nash playstyle then when Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Then Curry, Irving, Dame etc.
Man, looking at what Trae Young is doing right now. Nash in this era would be averaging 30+10 if he is more aggressive. I was a Rocket fan back then. Nash in the 4th quarter always scared the shit of me.
Nash for sure could have avg 20+ ppg, he just held back and looked for other guys to score, Stockton and Magic style
“MVP like Steve Nash”
Manu Gulati promiscuous girl 🎶
suns had the squad that year....check the stats and roster....they had a team.....the david stern suspensions killed it...