JFRD responds to a house fire with hidden fire
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
- Jacksonville Fire Rescue department responded to a two story attached duplex with smoke showing upon arrival. Interior crews quickly realized by the lack of smoke inside that the fire was concealed in the walls and attic.
With reports of people inside, L62 dealt with a bed ridden patient followed quickly by another resident who refused to leave the building. Efforts were concentrated on saving lives and getting the residents out to safety before getting upstairs to open walls and pull ceiling.
The fire advanced fast enough that command had to order crews out of the structure due to high heat and failing trusses. The attic space was well protected by a fire wall and the adjoining house was spared heavy fire damage although water and smoke were an issue.
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My gratitude to all firefighters everywhere. My older brother was a 30 year veteran. It was what he always wanted to be.
it is in the blood
Impressive
The firefighter bailed out of the second-story window but stayed there to assist the other firefighter who was still inside
Solid communications. Calm and radio calls were acknowledged
Well done on the PAR process
We take care of each other
@@thejfrd2490 damn right we do
@@davidsullivan2913 !!!!!!!
I had a fire that was in the attic and the walls (electric), firemen were able it out with the foam and didn't cause water damage.
Thank you guys. Repairs took 3.5 months while I was in the hotel.
did the government give the person who lost his house another house? I mean did they help him after that damage
sorry for your loss
Great coverage and great job JFRD!!!
tough one for sure
deep respect for all firemen and women there in America but also worldwide, volunteers or working at a fire station.
hopefully everything is well with the owner of this house and the bed-legged resident..
the house is gone but it will come again, as long as everyone gets out safe and not too badly injured...
once again deep respect from Friesland, the Netherlands
How so? I was not there to video as they pulled up...it was 5-7 mins into it...how do you even know what was done?
@@thejfrd2490 They didn't say what was done? Unless you're commenting to someone that deleted their post?
That's the best comm audio I've ever heard on a fireground video hands down. High fidelity.
Thank you...I think it is important aspect of the situation.
Great video coverage! Great job JFRD!!!
Great attempt at an interior attack, however once the fire gets into the attic of any new construction with trusses you cannot stop it. Burns too fast and the truss system fails in minutes .
Wrong, the second story roof never came down.
@@Mth308 wrong...dick... fire was in the ceiling on the first floor,hence the roof burning off of said first floor
@@forgottenchild7935 I was responding to James comment on “any” new construction trusses fail in minutes and cannot be “stopped”. But cool man call me a dick
@@Mth308 He's not really wrong though. The first story roof/attic space did come down.
With reports of residents inside...we make an aggressive attack...once the fire gets ahead and no lives are in danger, we definitely look at construction and collapse possibility.
Outstanding! Well done to all involved.
thank you
I have a deep respect for the men and women that put their lives on the line! As a kid I used to visit the firehouse on our block. To get to know the men, see the equipment. Even in the middle of the night I could hear the headed down the street to save a life. Thank you so much for your sacrifice!
thanks
Just beyond heroic what these first responders do. Thank you to every firefighter out there...
Thank you!
One of my sons wants to be a FF. He’s not a little kid. Old enough to stay serious about this profession and not far away from entering it. And of course I watched this video thinking of all the moms of these brave FFs and how worried they must be for their children. Thank you FFs for all you do.
Thank you Moms ( & wives ) ❤️
Thanks to their parents that raised them right.
Great work, very well done!!!!!
Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡
thanks
@semproniodensso3353 I guess you aren't a firefighter....not as easy as you think sitting at home watching on TV
Awesome communication and job well done.
Thanks for watching
Awesome video. the awesome footage and the scanner audio over the video is amazing
Glad you enjoyed it
This was a great illustration of "Protect your crew first." Structures can be replaced a lot easier than trained firefighters. When they found they had a walking fire out of easy reach, they got their people OUT. And made sure they were out before they started up the master stream. It's a pleasure to see folks this professional at work. They contained the fire as best they could and looked like they prevented it from spreading to the neighboring structure, and got everyone out of the fire structure alive. I'd call this an unqualified win.
I'm a firefighter from Northern California, 15 years, EastCoast fire fighting infuriates me. What is it about actually putting out fire from inside the building that East Coast firefighters don't, can't, or won't comprehend? There was absolutely no reason whatsoever to evacuate the structure. Only cowards fight fire from the outside and I do not understand this whole sitting on the ground shit, you will never see that in NorCal. You call it master stream, we call it get the fuck off the ground and go put out the goddamn fire.
And how long time did it take to see them the other part of the roof is burning!? It took much to long! 😮
very misunderstood by many
@rivermcratt3683 hey west coast...the fire was being fought from the inside...two people were rescued...but there comes a time and a place to get out...look at that smoke up top. Cowards? No...but why necessarily risk firefighters lives to save a structure.
@@thejfrd2490 There is always that one guy who knows everything !!!
Awesome command structure in place here, lead to no confusion and no accidents, great work
agreed
When we had an apartment fire I remember the firefighter medic that was treating me telling me that we are lucky because once a fire reaches the roof, its almost always a lost cause for the building. Thank goodness the FD arrived when they did and got the occupents out. It could have been devastating considering one was bedridden.
We deal with obstacles as they appear...
All working safely together!! Awesome job Jacksonville!!
Exactly the opposite!
@JB91710 who do you work for? What is your experience?
@@thejfrd2490 Where I work or worked doesn't matter but everyone Needs to see credentials before they will believe anything different. Third Generation Firefighter from an extended family of firefighters. Plus, I'm a Three Dimensional, Outside the Box, Thinker, not just a reactor or follower.
@@JB91710 probably not even a firefighter.
@@thejfrd2490 Now you are joining the rest of the deadheads by resorting to guesswork instead of addressing my tactics. You have gone way beyond the point of Boring me.
It’s nice seeing a OIC really paying attention to what’s going on . Especially when it comes to Smoke , it tells you exactly what a fire is doing . The color , the density and the volume lets you know a lot . You could see in the beginning stages of this video that smoke had Flashover written all over it . I’m glad the OIC called for the emergency evac . He mostly likely saved lives . It’s also up to the crews on the inside getting water on that fire . In this case it sounds like the fire was already in the attic space so that alone will make getting water on the fire difficult. The only thing i really don’t agree with is having guys on that roof hitting hot spots . That roofs integrity is compromised. Why not just use a truck to handle any hot spots on the roof ? Either way great job by all , As much as we try we can’t save them all . Again great job by the OIC . Run the job don’t let the job run you . Stay safe out there
The crews that were on the roof, sounded the roof extensively prior to stepping on it...furthermore, the firewall between the two units did exactly what it was supposed to do, and if you look, the firefighters stay on the unburned side...they were definately not put into a dangerous situation as you see it.
@@thejfrd2490 Absolutely agree, JFRD does things by the book. I've been on a few mutual aid calls to Jax,and many fires with JFRD helping my department and never seen any serious safety issues. We may not save every structure, but the goal is save lives and everyone goes home at the end of shift.
Too bad the OIC didn't call for attic extinguishment from the very beginning. That might have saved the rest of the structure!
@@thejfrd2490
I hope you don’t think I was taking a shot at this department ? Not by any means. I think everything went great . I was really impressed with the OIC. He’s a lot like my chief . Stays calm Sticks to the basics and pays close attention to detail . And I stand corrected with those guys on the roof . I didn’t realize at first watching this video that they were on the opposite side of the firewall . That definitely changes everything . I still wouldn’t have had them up there . But I feel better about it knowing that firewall was there. I’m all for aggressive firefighting and doing what it takes to save lives and property, I’m just always sketchy when it comes to roof ops and when you have that much fire in the roof area . In those situations I don’t put anyone near a roof . Especially when I have a ladder already in operation . Either way, again great job by all . Stay safe out there .
@@JB91710
They probably tried , but it looks like this fire had a jump on them before they even arrived . Once that fire got into that attic space it just took off on them 🎉. They probably tired but if you look at those interior conditions it pushed them right back out . At that point it’s just not worth putting anyone in harms way trying to get back inside .
The only other way to get to that fire other then an interior attack would be to trench cut that roof . But again , at that point it’s just not worth putting guys up there . Once that fire self vented , put a ladder up and let that master stream handle it . Just like they did .
Thank God NO brothers or Sisters were injured. Hope the homeowner is ok. Great Job done by ALL STAY SAFE !!!!!!!
No, it's called Thank Their Lucky Stars as their approach was suicidal.
@JB91710 you have no clue what you are saying.
@@thejfrd2490 That means you must know where and how I am wrong. So, enlighten me.
@@JB91710 our approach was to locate and extinguish the fire...initial crews were hampered with having to rescue one resident that was bed ridden (manpower intensive) the second resident refused to leave, again forcing initial crews to have to deal with more than taking care of the fire...during this time, the hidden fire travelled and progressed.
So please enlighten me how the initial approach was wrong.
You speak like you were there and know everything that happened and you weren't...
Your "know it all " attitude is what gets people hurt and killed...it is easy to sit back and second guess decisions made to feed your own ego...but to anyone who knows the business, you just prove your ignorance.
@@thejfrd2490 0:40 this is what is called, Being Observant.
1. Equipment is step up with lines pulled including a supply line. Ladders have been set which are accomplishing nothing. That takes TIME! MINUTES!!!
2. In all that Time, there have to be firefighters already inside dealing with the victims.
3. I count at least 10 firefighters in this sequence, and not ONE of them addressing the fire.
4. 0:24 That ladder nozzle could have been hitting that gable end vent and cooling the attic so the fire couldn't extend.
5. They have lines at their feet that one person could be directing at the soffit vents.
All that from one still picture. That fire could have been controlled until an interior crew could have gone through the ceiling. I know how the human mind works at that Low end of the work scale. If there are victims to "Save," firefighting goes right out the window. The fire gets bigger and the adrenaline rush increases.
That's why I say, a firefighter's mind set has to be on Protection by eliminating the threat first, because it is faster than getting fully dressed, assembling an entry team, getting the door open and then searching through a smoke filled and unfamiliar house to find victims when you have no idea where they are.
Stop fighting me and LEARN SOMETHING!
Great command and communication for the safety of all fighting this structure fire. Sadness for the family that lost there house but it can be rebuilt..
It seems like the communication was pretty bad. How long did it take for the fire to be spotted and discovered at the back? How long did it take for them to go in? In Europe there would have been a squad for a long time in, if not two. In my opinion, the orders were not good
@@maximilian9474
The back isn't shown in this video so it could've spread TO the back at some point.
It was sad
@maximilian9474 they went in immediately...got two people out...the fire was hidden in the walls
thanks for your input
That was a outstanding stop on that fire. Great work.
Stop????
whatever
I was trying to be nice. Geez! I didn't want to say well saved the slab.
Much respect watching this one. Everything seemed to be done in a professional manner. Everything well coordinated. Some videos I watch I cringe! I was volunteer for 13 years until health concerns set in. We busted tail from the second on the scene. Same here!
Appreciate that very much!
Great video and quality. Just subscribed 👍
Awesome, thank you!
excellent job. When I saw hat one fireman come out head first from the window, I knew it wasn't good. Tough to fight a fire when you can't see it. Good job folks
You are right...that is not good.
Thanks for watching.
splendid job!
and great video!
Thank you very much!
Why are people being so disrespectful to our first responders?? Thank God they got the people out!! My God! Have a heart for the ones who are trying to save lives out there!!
Great job first responders 💪❤
Some people are just angry...it will be ok!
Perfect reason why you don’t buy attached houses.
the other side was saved...just some water damage
@@thejfrd2490 water damage and smoke can almost be as bad as fire damage!
@@MrScottie68 but also can still salvage items that you can't with fire damage or burnt completely.
As a firefighter and officer (retired after 35 years), I'd like to commend JFRD for this job well done. Command was well disciplined, cool and calm and effective. Also, the search/rescue teams and interior attack teams performed exceptionally. Steady and disciplined execution. (Slow is smooth, Smooth is Fast).
This type of fireground efficiency doesn't just happen on its own. It is the result of 100"s+ hours of continuous training, practice, along with a culture that everyone on the dept owns.
Well done
Bob
Thanks Bob...appreciate you saying that.
Yep 💯
Did all that horse shit you spouted out make you feel better about yourself? Are you even commenting on This fire or some other one? Do you mean with 35 years of experience you couldn't have vented those windows and gotten hoses up the stairs to the second floor and stopped the fire before it burned the roof off? Fires are supposed to get smaller after the department arrives. Also, firefighters are not supposed to willingly allow themselves to get into hopeless and useless situations where they have to bail out in a life-or-death panic. My God you fit right in.
The paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks don't work to hard great looking tiller trucks and fire engines let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok right ? Joe
appreciate that Joe
Great job ladies and gentlemen. I used to be a volunteer firefighter for St.Helens Oregon and I been alot fire in my time.
appreciate that and your service.
Great job brothers!
thanks
That is one seriously large home. I am so saddened to see it destroyed like this.
It's a duplex.
It is two homes connected
Good scene command and control, on point!
learning opportunities for sure
Great job! Ima a soon to be probationary FF .. this was handled professionally
thanks
My dad was Fire Chief of Neptune NJ FD when I was 10(1983) and we lived a block from the house. All the guys (no women back then) were my "uncles", you know how that goes! Of course, followed in his footsteps and went on to become an EMT but had to get out after PTSD from doing SAR at the OKC bombing. I miss those days of hanging out with the boys. Much ❤ from Seattle!!!😅
Thankful for his service
Great video. Fire fighters all together did a wonderful job. The fire walls sure help. Many koodoo's to them all. 👍🤗
Thank you 🤗
FINNALY FROM A PROFFESSIONAL POINT OF VIEW THE FIRST EVER FILM OF A DONE RIGHT FIRE THE SEARCH WAS TOP NOTCH WELL DONE CREW
Appreciate that
For the large amount of fire they made a good save of the house 👍
Perfect example of how brave firefighters are. Climbing into a room full of smoke and fire.
Actually, it proves they lack the ability to think because they are restricted by tunnel vision.
@JB91710 reply after reply...what a hater!
@@thejfrd2490 No, a TEACHER! Try Learning something by debating the FACTS! Not Just trying to guess who I am and what my motivation is.
@@JB91710 what are you teaching? First thing is first...you were not there, you do not have all the facts...anyone with any true experience knows that there is always more to it than meets the eye.
@@thejfrd2490 Everybody NEEDS to be there. I don't! The location of most of the fire is plain to see. I have already told you how they should have handled it. Try telling me where and how I am wrong, not excuses why you can't.
Wow that's a big house! Thanks guys!
two homes connected
Excellent video. Very good picture quality and professional camera work.
Not too bad for a fireman right??
@@thejfrd2490 Better than 95% of videos on CZcams!
Amazing job well done to all. Great coverage
Thanks
I thought that was going to be a total loss of both homes. Yes smoke and water damage is extensive but the structure is still standing
Sadly, the main home is a complete loss...but the firewall did exactly what it is supposed to do in the attic space.
Strong work very professional, this fire evolved quickly. Great job getting folks out.
Thank you
Command was ON POINT from a to z. My only observation is possibly an investigative ceiling breach on level 1 side C before the roof vented. None the less it was superb from arrival to shut down due to the fire location, and the early decon implementation was spot on.
From what I saw here, and I can see a lot, they did everything wrong, not right.
@JB91710 you cannot see everything from the video...and they did not do everything wrong.
@@thejfrd2490 You STILL have not said anything about this fire or how it was fought or where and how I am wrong!
@@JB91710 I have responded to multiple comments you have made...you are all over the place just taking shots...please tell me what department you work for, what is your experience?
@@thejfrd2490 You have responded with excuses and generic BS. You have never addressed how this fire should have been approached. Where I was a firefighter and for how long means nothing. My words speak for themselves. Adding an impressive resume doesn't change their meaning. If you need that, then you are a follower, not a thinker.
Without any doubt, this is one of the best fire scene videos I've ever seen. Outstanding job!
Wow, thank you!
looks very unprofessional what they are doing There to be honest
excellent command an control.
Nope!
Thank you
Kudos to the Firefighters who risk their life every 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽😢😢
thank you
Bravo to the Firefighters!
Appreciate that!
Smart move to evacuate. Didn’t hear anyone adress the PASS sounding continuously.
The PASS devices go off, sometimes it takes the crews a minute to realize that it is actually their own going off...additionally, defensive fires leave you motionless for extended periods of time, and that is what sets them off to begin with.
Is there anyway at the end of the video's you can tell us how "It Was Caused and Where It Started" in the Structure . Please, that would be great 🥰💪🇺🇲.
The fire is being investigated by the State Fire Marshal office...we try not to give too much information as we do not want to hinder their investigation in any way.
Firefighters are super heroes. Thank you all.
Not really...just what we do
Great communication 👍🏼
thanks
Great work, a lot of know it all armchair advisers here. I’m not in anyway qualified nor do I know building regulations as most seem to. I can only say, whatever the case, brilliant fire service work as an observer.
It is easy to make the command decisions after the fire and from a computer screen after the fact...but they were not there doing the work or putting their lives on the line...guess it makes them feel better about themselves.
Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡
Wait. Wait. Wait. Wasn't it said that the owner of the home was on the second floor and refused to leave? What ended up happening with that situation?
Just wondering if the person still inside that house was taken out? They said she was refusing to leave and wanted to stay in the burning house. Nice video!
I would say so, one way or another she be coming out under own power or being graded out.
We indeed got her out uninjured.
Maybe dementia.
@@thejfrd2490 Thank God!! Great Job everybody!!
You Can Refuse All Ya Want Everyone Gets Hands On … Firefighters Have A Job And Removing Anyone That Refuses To Leave Any Structures… That Resident was Removed.
The real hero..👍
Who?
Great job JFRD! Awesome video
Thanks for watching
I definitely feel awful for the owners of this residence.
me too
Thats the bad thing about these new houses they go up quicker than the older homes great job guys
thanks
great job
thanks
Out of curiosity, why were all the windows being broken out on the second floor. Wouldn’t that feed the fire and create new flow paths for the fire to travel? In the time it took to break all the windows, the aerial was never utilized either. Maybe there’s a good explanation, I’m just confused. At the end of the day though, looks like the fire is out and everyone is safe. Good work fellas!
Once the fire vents vertically you want to keep the fire flow going that way. It also helps the FF's in the structure by reducing heat load, provides a known fire path, and gives ground lines a point to get water in the structure.
The ladder pipe can't be put into operation until all the FF's are out of the structure. Hitting someone with that water stream will hurt them and can cause structural collapse. Depending on the apparatus these flow between 300 and 1000 gal's a min. That is enough water to pin someone to a wall or the ground.
@@straytrons3450 I fully agree that you should never operate an aerial master stream while you have FF’s inside, but I thought the IC called for a full evac of both floors.
@JoshK589 The windows were not being broken out until the order to get out was given...if you look at the intensity of the smoke at that time, the upstairs was ready to flash and it was hot with no visibility...getting the smoke out at this point was important as crews were still getting out...this helped with heat, visibility, and chances of flashover.
Also, once the structure is not occupied, it gives outside crews a place to shoot water to try and darken it down more effectively.
@straytrons3450
You are correct! Good points.
@JoshK589
The order was given...this takes time as anyone who has worked in a structure fire know, some things said on the radio are not always heard...but the crews also have regress back out safely.
I love watching streams get lobbed into smoke. Come on guys, you gotta know where your stream is going!
From that vantage point, it isn't easy
Can always rebuild a house. Glad no one was hurt!
Great job❤
thanks
This modern structure is a prime example of how the building code and its efforts to “save money” has very little in common with fire safety and firefighting.
Just SHUT UP...not everyone can afford a home that is '100% firemen approved' (no such thing). In this world we have the freedom to build and buy houses that are affordable and not all home BUILDERS or BUYERS have the money for what YOU may want. Let US make the decision in accordance to what WE can afford...from a one room off-the-grid to a $3,000,000, 6,000 sq ft full brick, 'fire proof' (again, no such thing) small mansion. We both know that houses are safer than EVER...and that house fires have been reduced greatly in the last 30 - 40 years. So, just STFU and go out and buy yourself a fireproof home on your own overpaid hose jockey salary.
@@cessnadriver6813 Rotfl lol. You obviously do not know the building code NOR the fire code. If you did you would realize just how total irrelevant your comment was to what I was actually talking about.
It is a complex problem. To build houses that don’t burn to the ground within a matter of minutes, would make them even more expensive than they are. They are already so expensive most people can’t afford to buy one.
We have a housing shortage that is getting worse. It is much worse in some places than others. An area with a fast growing population is especially bad. Multi family dwellings can’t keep up either.
Something has to change in materials or construction, probably both, that can make them more resistant to fire. How many void spaces are in this structure? That makes design and engineering important factors. Fixing it is all hands needed with ideas and insight to see which ideas are better than others. Because of the vast differences in climate and other factors, this is not a one solution fits all kind of problem.
The one thing that cannot be denied is that what is happening in new condition now doesn’t result in resilient housing. They are a hazard to residents and firefighters.
@@lindanwfirefighter4973 No, I think I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about and you know that I do. You are just a bit butthurt. What I stated has nothing to do with specifics or fire code...which btw, is different in EVERY community.
@@enid0mom I'll say it again, we don't build homes to be fireproof...there is no such thing. There is ALWAYS improvement needed in ANY industry, but again, spending so much additional $ TRYING to achieve that fireproof pipedream (but never achieving) is not justified when statistics show the odds of a home being involved in a fire are VERY unlikely. You want a near-fireproof home(?), build concrete homes - I can agree with that. BUT expect to empty your wallet and see way more holes in the ground mining the sand and rock. My opinion only.
Slab up restoration?
Can't save them all
Why did it take so long to get the "ladder pipe" activated?
We had crews inside...we do not shoot water from the outside with people inside...command called for a "PAR" which is an accountability system we use to verify everyone was out and accounted for.
I was wondering the same. It seamed having the ladder lines activated would have helped. I understand the answer that was given though.
Sometimes you just gotta hit it hard from the yard.
Initial reports of people inside
Those poor people, may God be with all involved.
agreed
One of the things I always wanted to experiment with during my career was piercing nozzles. These fires in the attic can run very quickly if you don't catch it early or act aggressively. When it does get ahead or so you don't have to immediately open a ceiling dropping the smoke into possible rescue areas why not put piercing nozzles through the roof. The ceiling remains intact a little longer buying interior crews time. It could also cool the area enough to possible prevent smoke explosions. They could be deployed quickly with minimal placement of men on the roof. They could also preserve the integrity of the trusses if done quickly. Just a thought.
That is true...we have a few variations of piercing nozzles...but not this ladder crew
EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF HOW TO LOSE A FIRE.
@towermandan and what would have you done differently?
Why do the firefighters move around in slow motion? A small fire turns into a large one while the men take their time. Its like they want a big fire.
That is your perception...but not how I see it.
Thanks for watching.
@@thejfrd2490 Its not just this video. It's most of them. You watch a building with some smoke coming out of the windows. Ten minutes later the firemen arrive. Twenty minutes later they put water on the completely engulfed building fire.
I'm not the only one that noticed this behavior. If it was your house burning, you would feel a higher sense of urgency. I'd be using my own hose on the fire long before the firemen woke up.
@@Diantane obviously you are not a firefighter...we don't run on the fireground...people get hurt that way...each person has a job to do, you don't realize this and what is happening in this situation, but this is how we work. We save a lot of people, animals, and property.
It is easy for you to sit back and watch a video to critique...but you are not informed enough of our jobs, policies, and practices....property can be replaced, lives cannot.
@@thejfrd2490 I fought fires in the Navy while serving on the USS America CVA-66 while in Vietnam and on until 1979. Once had to fight a fire wearing three piece suit and tie when they stopped us from going to dinner on the shore. We had three fires at the same time due to an arson (his wife told him that if the ship went to sea again, she was leaving him). On board ship its just us. The local fire department doesn't come to help.
Firefighting fires on board ship is much harder. Everything is concealed spaces. So instead of the fire going upwards, it goes everywhere and on us.
When fires broke out it was all hands on deck. We geared up and hurried to put the fire out. We can't just stand around and wait or we will lose our ship and have nowhere to go while at sea.
@@Diantane you are not comparing apples to apples my friend.
I don't understand why they didn't put a hose on the roof of the house as soon as the barn fire started. Prayers go to these folks. They lost generations of stuff but kept their lives.
Because firefighters were still inside and we would rather not steam burn them...but thanks for your input.
Bravo! A fabulous job done to get that fire out quickly and efficiently.
thanks for your input
Smart! Work from the top down
I know. Would you put a fire out in your fireplace by climbing down the chimney?
Thanks for watching
From a german tactical perspective... this is catastrophic. Not the fire, but the procedures and tactics. There were so many mistakes made by the commanders in charge of this emergency... huge respect to all firefighters, but this video shows a more than miserable operational management.
thanks germany
0:00 respect to the fighter fighter saving his fellow worker🫡
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Outstanding communications and incident command!
The homeowner has had preferred streams saving his house...in any case... Where can I find a book about putting fires under control by washing the smoke??? 😬🤔😡😡
@semproniodensso3353 how many times are you going to use that line?? "look at me, look at me"
thanks
Heroes, they are.... This is one badass, fearless dept. Everything from the operation to the communication was unbelievable. Great video
We are just doing our job....but thanks!
SCBA's with loose waist belts when operating on a fireground is something you don't want to see. It poses risks of loosing the SCBA. When someone pulls on the SCBA in order to evacuate they could pull the whole set off.
🤦🏻♂️ Thats what you got out of this video? And felt the need to comment on it? I bet you’re a real gem to work with.
@@evanblackburn6173 These are things where life can depend on. So of course it is a point of intrest. Too many times I see video's with firefighters and loose waist belts. They do serve a purpose.
Of course they do serve a purpose...but to backup what you say, how many injuries and/or deaths can be directly attributed to your claim? I have never heard of any.
@@thejfrd2490 I have no statistics about it. But even if it is 1, it is 1 too many. I think we should agree that SCBA's are PPE's and that every PPE should be worn correctly in order to perform correctly. In this particular video it is highlited by the fact that a couple of firefighters get pulled out of the second floor. Persons on the outside cannot see if the SCBA's are worn correctly and do pull on them. Even if everything went OK at this fire, I do think it should be a point of interest since it does pose a risk.
@@marcopstal9584 lol. I think I have proved my point. Take care bud. Don’t forget your safety vest too!
A single engine on the Bravo side using it's deck gun would have been far more effective than all of those hand lines. They had room to put 3 engines in there, and they could have drawn water from the lake.
No
@@Gruntm203 worthless reply
@@jmWhyMe your deck gun BS is a worthless statement!!
@@Gruntm203 without any explanation all you are is a troll
@@jmWhyMe hahaha, ok! Use the deck gun for your next back bedroom!!
Command structure was clear and concise, no debate amongst the fireground. The cutting of the video makes it difficult to tell time elapsed but my question would be, after the primary search, was the decision for a defensive attack once the fire extended into the roof or was it immediate upon recovery of the victims. Didnt seem like a very aggressive attack. Certainly cant tell everything from the video and tac comms. Just curious
You're right...you can't tell what is going on inside during the video...defensive was not immediate after getting residents out...but not too long after.
That was an absolute nightmare of a structure!!!! Hell of a job ! People before property
"Life over property!" Always
I hope they use this as a training video, after the Evac n par. Them knuckle heads on the Delta
side need a lesson In water application and reading smoke.
What purpose did your personal attacks in your comment serve? Only detracts from any point you are trying to make.
@@lindanwfirefighter4973 personal attack??? Please be more specific
@shane stamball Sure. ‘Them “knuckle heads” on the Delta side...’. Your point was valid re they failed to read the smoke but was diminished by your words before that. Constructive criticism needs no personal attacks.
@@lindanwfirefighter4973 ok, let me rephrase it, "them idiots" those rookies, " those lawn irrigation specialist" hell might go as far as saying "arsonists apprentice" or how about "foundation saving specialist"
@@shanestamball1886 Did that make you feel powerful?
I don't know which is sadder:
◾That someone needed a house that big.
◾That someone would let a house that big set on fire. (No Sprinnklers/Remote monitored home security system?)
◾That they'd refuse to leave.
◾That for some reason another person would refuse to leave ALSO !
◾That people spent their lives building a gorgeous palace like this, only for some lazy, privileged shmuck to make repeated bad decisions that turned it ALL into charcoal.
I agree ugly oversized house, but generally no one has sprinklers in attic spaces. Elderly with dementia? If fire was in attic space, doubt is was anything the residents did, but if they have dementia, who knows! It eats the mind up.
typical moron statements, you know nothing of the homeowners but you proceed to skewer them w/o any knowledge. here is what is sad... is that you're a cunt of a man
It's a duplex. That is why it's big
What is sadder is your stupidity to see this is a duplex/multi family home.
@P4hs
You will be hard pressed to find residential houses with sprinkler systems. This house was not really that big, in fact, this is an attached duplex.
Never mind.....I see a ladder-truck now. Beautiful neighbood.....good job with protecting neighboring homes.
thanks for watching
I'm a fire fighter from sc I have 50 years fire fighting still love my job
Thats quite a career!!! I'm not that experienced, but after 22 years, I still love mine too!!
American firefighters are slow compared to other counties, standing around waiting, too many firefighters per hose. More often then not I'm like "what are you doing". I use to be amazed by american firefighters until I've seen how efficient other counties firefighter are.
Where do you live?
@@thejfrd2490 U.S
@@akhb1 you should ride with our crews…I think you would change your mind
@@thejfrd2490 Newark Ohio puts you to shame
HIHFTY
This fire needed two things. Water through the ceiling into the attic and through the gable end and soffit vents. So, in this case, yes to, HIHFTY, but!
Thanks for watching
One line on that house for a long time i was a volunteer for 15 years .and not being there i just think they were slow with the lines .and to be just busting out every window feeds that fire more . Get that ladder pipe up faster and they could have quickly taken control
I don't think we are watching the same video...but thanks
Anyone know what county and state this fire department is located? Several "Jacksonville's" across U.S.
N.E. Florida
Duval County in Florida
Until the US stops building ticky tacky wooden buildings you can almost guarantee a total loss before the FD arrive. All show and no substance.
IMO this could be a bit of a gross oversimplification - especially without differentiating between wood as in actual lumber, vs lightweight engineered i-beams made up of wood flakes, and tons of flammable adhesives, for instance.
Lest we give you Brits too much credit for fire safety, you did have Grenfell tower after all. I wouldn't be quite so quick to point fingers across the pond!
It's Florida they don't have building codes
Sounds like a skill issue
What you don't understand is that not every fire is a total loss. It just doesn't make a good video...
I am neither a firefighter nor do i reside in US so i don't know about the procedure but can someone tell me why they take so much time to just start hosing the house? We don't have wooden houses here but i always thought that the firefighters would just start hosing the house as soon as they arrive to such fires
We start in the inside and go from there generally
Whole damned attic on fire and can’t breathe. That A LOT of heat in there
there sure was
A VERY good job by the nozzlemen with hand lines, so often I see guys on nozzle that don't have a good idea of how to use a ground line on a roof fire. It's hard to see where you're hitting at that angle to begin with, so looks like they've done some training. Would've liked to see a 2 1/2" to the rear, but a great stop on a tough fire.
If they actually did a good job with those hand lines and even the ladder stream, wouldn't it have been better to get the water through the gable end and soffit vents, so the water actually got into the attic and onto the burning material, instead of the shingles, smoke and flames?
@@JB91710 Hey genius, when you have a big assed hole in the roof, that works way better than tiny slits.... SMH
@@JB91710 Wow, you sure know a lot about Firefighting, you should be a FF. Oh that's right, I heard your applications were all turned down, sorry.
@@ffjsb I am obviously talking about applying the water into the attic BEFORE they allowed the fire to spread and burn that Big Ass Hole in the roof. You know, stop the fire instead of just letting it control the event. Actually no, you obviously have no clue about stopping fires. Wait for the roof to burn through and then apply the water to what's left? Yep! That sounds like you.
@@JB91710 You know even less about building construction than you do firefighting. That is a massive roof for a home, with many different void spaces, and thick smoke just waiting to backdraft. You clearly know nothing about reading smoke either.
I am concerned that little concern is taken to flow paths when you have heavy smoke and little visible flame
They are very lucky that no back draft resulted. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired
this fire wasn't sealed enough for backdraft...smoke explosion is more of a concern here
Thanks for your service Captain
Why is the IC iin the car and the aerial up before horizontal ventalation?
Why shouldn't the IC be in the car? He was positioned right in front of the house and directing crews...that is his job.
The engineer of the truck is not responsible for horizontal ventilation while on the first arriving truck...they take care of doors, ladders, and power.
It's hard to think of a valid reason for _anyone_ to want to willingly stay within a building - even their home - whilst it's actively on fire. Especially a fire inside the walls where it could be all around you and you'd have no idea. Were you brave folks able to get that uncooperative occupant out of the house in time?
I thought that entire thing was one single house. Then I realised it's actually two joined together. Still a damned huge house, regardless! Must have been worth a pretty penny ... before the fire ruined it.
I don’t believe she knew it was on fire…no smoke inside, no heat
Maybe dementia