PRE ARRIVAL Two Alarm Commercial Structure Fire UPS Warehouse Lakewood New Jersey 6/28/23
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2023
- OC - Lakewood - Two Alarm Commercial Structure Fire - 710 Vassar Ave - Six Trailers & Warehouse
Around 6:45 PM Lakewood Police received a call for a reported trailer fire that was attached to the building at the UPS Warehouse in Lakewood. Chief 1 Ladder 5 & Engine 5 were on the initial BOX while Chief 1 was responding he had his eyes on the same smoke I saw and he upgraded it to a working trailer fire that would bring in Engine 3 also on the BOX. Upon the arrival of Chief One, he confirmed the 53ft trailer was in fact on fire and extending to the building and asked for the working structure fire box plan. Shortly after Ladder 5 & Engine 5 arrived, Ladder 5 positioned to the C side of the building and puts its sticks to the roof. Chief One then upgraded it to a 2 Alarm fire. Crews go inside the warehouse to see how much of the fire extended inside. Engine 5 manned with a 3-man crew laid in 3 inch supply from the Hydrant about 500ft down the road. Engine 1 & 3 secured the FDC and stretched a second line. Lines were stretched inside and water was on the fire about 7 minutes later. The fire didn't extend much inside the actual building and the sprinklers were activated. Crews from Brick Township, Toms River & Point Pleasant Boro were directed to the scene. Engine 6 was also recalled for service to the scene. Crews operated for around 5 hours on the scene the cause of the fire is currently unknown but reports it was a Lithium Ion battery fire in the trailer that extended to the surrounding trailers and building. The fire is being investigated by the Ocean County Fire Marshalls Office. No further information is available at this time.
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As a retired firefighter, what in the world took so long to get water? Do those pumpers not have a 500 gallon tank on board? At least a 250 gallon tank? Nobody got water on this fire until they charged the hydrant and that took over 5 minutes after the supply line was laid..how about Search and Rescue? There were still people inside the structure ..Kudos to the fire departments for doing their job I love you guys. But what the heck happened? Too many minutes to a knockdown.. train train train !
As a Ret. Chief with 35 years of service all your points are valid and was wondering the same. The lack of supply line on first due apparatus is a huge issue. I googled the department and they are volunteer so that speaks for some of the issues.
@@byronschroedel432 Ummmm, did you guys watch until the end? That first engine must have laid 2000 ft of 3 inch. It wasn't until later that 2311 got there and hooked up 5 inch to a plug. Also, note that the first 2 or 3 engines/truck were running a 3 man crew, so not a lot to work with. Also, a number of areas up that way are volunteer and the first driver may have not known how to feed that first line from the tank. On the comment about people in the structure - That's UPS's responsibility given the size of the structure. There could very well have been people in there working while the fire fighting was happening. It depends on the amount of smoke indie. If you watched closely early on, you see a couple of trucks bail out one end and another that pulled away from the building while on fire. The right answer would have been to get a yard tractor over there and pull the burning trailer away from the building. If they had done that, you limit the issue to one trailer. A place I worked in the early 80's had a bad bearing on a conveyor ignite a pallet of pampers. That company did the right thing, and pulled a trailer out of the way and then used a fork lift to shove the pallet outside. Still stunk up the place. Yrah, getting water supply quicker would have been nice. In a real world, that property would have a half dozen plugs on each side of the building fed by a 60 inch main. That would have eliminated the need for 3 long runs of 3 inch and would have made it possible to use a deck gun or two. Point being - give the guys a break.
Quick water on a fire is worth the risk when you have other pumpers responding.
@@byronschroedel432 our community is all volunteers and when they get to a fire the first thing is they use the reel hose or the deck gun until a hydrant is ready. God bless all first responders 🙏
I know what you mean as I find watching these paid fire dept's are so slow doing things. I call them sloth dept's. they act like they get paid by the hour or something. They come into a fire section and the fire is small and manageable but by the time they screw around getting their personal gear on the fire is out of control.
Placement of E5 greatly degraded the access of incoming units. That placement basically gave all responsibility to the first on-scene truck and engine. No other apparatus could get into that big, open area.
It looks like if they needed other units on the ladder side there was a way around from the opposite side of where E5 came in ..
@@Mj-bg2ujthen why is everyone coming in from one side?
@@datboidego They were directed to come in that way by command. Also the lines are charged so they can’t drive over them. But, Engine 5 could have done a better job at situating their equipment to allow access.
Could use some room for improvement on placement. But only one engine was working. 2nd engine laying in was charging the stand pipes inside the structure. And if water had to be brought to ladder 5 they would hand jack a line to it.
The ladder truck should’ve spotted on the opposite side of the building from the uninvolved to the involved additionally engine five did block access to other incoming resources and should’ve pulled up. All the other units could’ve came in from the other side of the building. I also think these firefighters should move with a purpose instead of walking around. Other than that they eventually got the goal accomplished.
Armchair incident commander here. This seemed like a pretty disorganized response. Obviously no pre-planning since they couldn't find the FDC. It also gave me anxiety seeing that first engine spending so much time catching the hydrant instead of using the tank water to prevent the spread. It was 7 minutes into the video before the line was charged, even though the first truck rolled up at the 2 minute mark. Probably should have dispatched multiple engines and have the 2nd engine catch a hydrant.
Me too
Also, shutting down the external handline from the 16 to 19 min marks was hard to watch.
How did this happen
@@mikeup9160 who knows
There is no such thing as a armchair incident commander, the fire service has long had sound operational procedures. If a department is not using those standards then they are open to criticism.
Kudos to the driver of E5 for not only blocking the drive lane, taking their time charging one line & for forgetting he had tank water or a deck gun. 👍
glad to see i am not the only one to think this the only thing i could think of is maybe he did not have enough LDH to make the ladder but looking in the bed from the drone it looks like there was enough plus that does not excuse their poor placement of the rig like what the heck were they afraid to drive the truck into the smoke?
yea jeez agreed
I was thinking that fire had deck gun written all over it. That may be just because I like deck guns. I like seeing a deck gun in use. I even like saying deck gun. Heck if I ever fell into bazillionaire money I would be watering my lawn with a deck gun.
I couldn't figure out that move either. I was like what the hell is this guy doing? Deck gun or pull up to feed L5 at least.
You NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, use your tank water for a 2-/1/2 or larger hoseline (unless there is immediate danger to life). With this type of fire, any exterior master stream could have negative implications. First in deck gun (or ladder pipe) would've been the wrong tactical decision!!! We don't know their SOP's, but it appears that E-5 positioned the apparatus outside of the smoke, and turning the truck slightly helps facilitate hose deployment from the rear of the apparatus towards the fire. If any complaints, maybe the next engine behind 5 should've backed in so they could lay a line out to another water supply!
Brother having a drone has taken your videos to a whole new level!
I appreciate that!
Starting to see fire departments out here in Colorado use drones. Especially for large fires like these it allows for much, much quicker evaluations of the situation. Plus they can just have them hover and give a bird's eye view, with the ability to quickly move it to get a better look at areas.
They're also very helpful in brush fires, as that shit can change direction faster than you can blink
Being with the fire department for 40 years, these guys need a lot of training and learn pre-planning !!! Plus the first engine should have gone right to the ladder to supply water, second then could have pulled up and used a deck gun !
yeah, i guess its easier to see from the air, but the first couple engines really blocked any from coming up.
Totally wrong tactical decision for the initial attack to be defensive in this case!
Is it true that that engine did not use any tank water first
@shaunadams4120 In this situation, it is imperative to secure an outside water source before advancing any operation. Unless risk of life is involved.
Right on brother. No one was in charge.
I work on this shift, and the aftermath was pure chaos. The drivers had to park their package vehicles in the neighboring staff parking lot. The plan on what to do with all of the packages seemed to change by the minute. A driver said the next morning, they had to drive the trucks to Tinton Falls to run the pre-load shift at their facility and then drive all the way back to start delivering. It took several months to get everything back to normal in the Lakewood center.
The Drone-Operator makes an amazing job. Also thanks to all firefighters, first responders and police-officer for your service.
I hate it. Just keep it stationary and don't fkn move around non-stop!
Glad nobody injured. Drone footage was great. This fire department needs a lot of work at many different levels! No excuse for this performance!
Vollies
Again, with such a heavy fire load, why not put your deck in in service to knock that shit down then transition into an interior attack? The deck gun the most under utilized tool in the fire service!
@@jdboyd1861that’s old school thinking. A transitional attack is the appropriate approach here.
@@jdboyd1861 Actually it’d take the heat out of the fire. The FDNY did a test case not that long ago and found that a quick blast from a deck gun or tower would would do far more good than harm.
@@jdboyd1861 Stop repeating what clueless people tell you to think. The only way you can "Push" the heat deeper into the structure is if you totally block the Pressure Release Locations and then add the pressure of the entering water to the atmosphere inside. However, that burst of heat would be followed by a massive fog of Water so the damage would be minimal. You have to Surgically apply Fast and safe and Effective water to the Visible Burning Material immediately upon arrival. Nothing is more important than eliminating the threat because that is the fastest thing you can do at most fires and Protection is job one, not time-consuming Search and Heroics. I mean, Rescue.
@@mikehoysler4322 The FDNY has no concept of Good or Fast. Look for fast work in any FDNY fire.
I'm no firefighter or expert on fire trucks but wouldn't operating a deck gun without a hydrant connection deplete the water tank in a few minutes?
Another fire department that slow to put water on the fire Ridiculous
Did you even read the description, they had too put 500ft of line just to get to a hydrant, then they had to extend a second line to reach inside and out. You are incredibly judgmental sitting on your couch. It was also a lithium battery which are notorious hard to put out due to their quick spread. You have to go inside to look for people if not all accounted for, if you just full force spray with out confirming or making ventilation, if you have to go inside since you can’t see without ventilation, you can literally cook people inside. They had one line inside, you can see the black smoke change to white or gray, they did the interior attack prior to the exterior, which most department do unless inside attack is unattainable. They eventually hit the exterior fire which was just a trailer, the interior also had sprinklers so the fire didn’t progress too much inside.
They should have put they tower up and put water on it right away. 5 should have taken the 5 inch to the tower.
Nah, it’s very easy to criticize from the comforts of our couches but any staffed city department would have had 50 FFs and 3 chiefs at that same fire in about 5 mins ..they had 7 FFs including both chauffeurs there for about the first 8-9 mins . They did a really solid job for what they had . FDNY would have had about 100 FFs there in minutes .. I refuse to criticize 7-8 FFs giving 100% effort
@@terrynagle7410 the towers trucks have no hose so they still would have to wait, the water canons on the bucket can tear down buildings on people, so unless you know all people are out it is not used till then or an area that there are no people. They don’t just show up and start shooting water with out assessment, human count, exterior exposure etc. you would not want to be trapped inside a building where they can literally knock down walls or roofs with water, nor be sure the water won’t literally cook you in steam.
And police officers who love to put their cars in random places to make everbody elses lives that much more difficult.
Another great training video for us, thank you so much! The larger view granted by a drone makes this look like a nine-ring circus, not just a three-ring circus. Our EMT teams are going to blow a gasket watching this.
🤣 my man!
Nice how both Engines blocked the access to the rear of the building.
@@johnvetter2928 That's exactly what our EMT teams are going to say. So far the only people who have said anything positive about this video are the high school kids who "intern" as our volunteer drone operators.
@@johnvetter2928 Precisely they parked all over, and blocked the other vehicles, that is something they need to evaluate.
I hope they can use the video recordings for improvement.
There is always one tough guy on the air. That shows lack of composure. “ Theres gonna be a problem”. Embarrassing to put over the air.
As a fire fighter I ask the same question over and over again of these videos, why does it take so long to get water on the fire.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Hey fireboy...it appears that they had to pull water from the front of the building. See all of those reeeeeeeeeeeeeally long hoses Smokey?
@@RLTtizME ah okay, so you’re one of the schmucks on scene. Makes sense
@@Richardjohnson6969 Well that is kind of nasty Fireboy. I could have called you a sagging gutted douche...but I didn't. Be nice.
They layed over 1000 foot of 5in and 1000 foot of 3in. Form the hydrent.
Is it standard in these areas that the Fire Departments take extended times to flow water?? Seems like the majority of the fires you cover have the same issue.
I’ve noticed this as well. My only thought is that their sop is to have a positive water supply before charging the first line. 🤷🏼♂️
These guys command structure is about the poorest in the country, I hate belittling fire departments. But these folks just don't have a clue. And the guy who uploads these videos, catches constantly failures of these departments. You would think someone would watch these videos and say ' hey' we need to improve on some things. Big fire = big water/ period.
@@shanestamball1886 Right? Stop buying the police armored vehicles to harass citizens with and give that money to the fire dept so they can get the damn training and equipment they need to save lives and property.
Its because around this area they are all volunteer except lakewood. So every other company that responded from brick were all volunteer so they take a while to get there
@@Scoobawoo nobody cares how long it takes to get there, but 8 minutes to flow water after arriving? 😂😂😂
Come on, I know some hicks from the sticks who would dump the entire tank within 90seconds of arrival. All while the 3rd guy is preparing the supply line
I'am surprised that the initial dispatch for a semi on fire, with a warehouse exposure, was just one engine and truck.
Doesn’t matter, it took the first engine 20 minutes to get there
I'm a retired building superintendent. I noticed that the warehouse roof appeared to have self venting louvers is that correct? Excellent idea if true. Well as I watch this, it appears that the building is doing a better job holding back the fire with it's sprinklers than the Fire service is fighting fire in 3 x 53' trailers.
Doesn't the bldgs' fire system rely on the fire service for a water source?
@@DoahnKea_Tuber as a rule most common sprinkler systems will feed off of the buildings incoming water supply. Often in larger buildings or warehouses the sprinkler water will be supplemented by large electric "fire pumps" that turn on automatically when the sprinkler system starts to flow. There are also instances where a fire enginei will connect into the sprinkler system from a fitting on the outside of a building to supplement the system. My explanation is very, very over simplified but it will give you a basic idea.
Those trailers are full of cardboard, plastic, and lithium batteries. They'll burn for hours and if you put them out will be happy to relight as soon as you turn your back on them.
The 1.2 million sqft building I work in has two 100k gallon tanks that feed our sprinkler system
@@DoahnKea_Tuber Goo thing it doesn't. The crews didnt know where the FDC was located and it took up a lot of time finding it.
Former Lt. Firefighter/medic. If I pulled in first due eng. With 3 man. I would have called 2 alarm. Right from the get go before getting out of the engine.
As a Ret. Bat chief that would have been a good call. The IC should have called it after his initial report. Also the first due Ladder should have laid in their water supply. If they do not carry supply line they need to reevaluate their speck parameters. This was just in the first minutes!
@@byronschroedel432 I agree 100%
Everyone making comments here are either "former" or "retired". Curious. Funny....Doctors rarely make the same types of comments. I wonder why.
@@RLTtizME cause doctor has easy inside hospitals jobs. Not 1500+ degree working environment with toxic substances or chemicals burning. then we can't see that the building collapsing around us or under us. In front of us. Because we run into the hospital to get everyone out Yelp that DOC got go to.
@@buckiesilas5284 A silly defense. Nonsense actually. Scram.
Extremely Ineffective work!
In the uk our fire fighters are so on point with there fire hoses it’s brilliant! As soon as there on sight there hosing flames within 20-30 seconds to try and save the building or whatever there putting out! Watching this was painful!! The amount of damage within ten minutes was insane!!
Kudos to the drone pilot👍!
Thanks 👍
7 minutes until starting to put water on fire since arrival? what happened here? Astonishing, they could easily defend the building effectively.
They had water on the fire ~2 minutes after the Engine arrived
Astonishing you are this ignorant on the subject
This seemed to take forever to get water flowing. They were already handicapped arriving with only a tiny 3 man crew... & waited to call for backup. Didn't any of the original arriving trucks have a water supply, even a small one to get lines charged & start while they located a water source? seems like such a facility should have very easy to locate or previously known water supply locations from building inspections. Excellent Drone footage...
Your use of a drone significantly contributes to viewing the overview firefighting effort and it also helps subsidize the video’s narrative. I also find the integration of a scanner helps afford a more articulate viewing experience. Keep up the good work!
Another great drone job. Nice editing too! Thanks
16:18, neither Command nor Engine 1 know where the standpipe hookup is on what has to be a major fire risk in their area a UPS station? sounds like great recon, practice, inspection, drilling, and familiarity.
And a surprising lack of help from UPS. Our warehouse response team has some at the muster point, some at the FDC, and some to command.
The yard mules ought to have been shuffling the exposure trailers and box trucks moved pronto.
Excellent drone footage.
This will be a great video to show to my fire department as how not to act at a fire such as this. Many inexcusables mistakes noted.
Just remember every structure fire is different
@@mattiverson4654 and. every fire department within 500 miles of New York are useless clowns...
You always add so much to fire videos. You are an experts expert.
@@RLTtizME Nope... I'm totally f*cking clueless when it comes to strategy...but when you compare USA fire fighting videos to other modern countries like, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Japan even fuck the Russians etc etc.... you can see the rank amateur approach by the fucking useless AMERICAN battalions. Some are Ok, others are just strutting about trying to look important....next
Frank, don't criticize FFs...it's verboten. They are 'heroes' and heroes never make mistakes. BUT I guarantee that FFs WILL criticize restaurants when their food comes out cold, and they will criticize the UPS/FEDEX/Amazon folks for leaving their packages out in the rain. But DO NOT criticize the fire service...they are always perfect. (sarcasm intended)
My full admiration to all firefighters across the pond. I watch a lot of these videos. But I do notice how long it takes to get water on these fires - so different from our Brit response. It's agony to watch this.
I agree the wait time for first water seems to turn some small events into a major fires. I don't know enough about their equipment, tactics and water supply to understand the protracted delays the Uk approach seems to be much more immediate. My be the fact that there are more timber buildings in the US makes a difference, although again an early deployment of a hand line would appear to be better in than nothing. Having said that I applaud the work of the fire crews. My uncle was responsible for a number of fire stations in North Yorkshire where they were heavily reliant on volunteer crews as well so I understand the levels of commitment necessary.
Couldn’t agree more !!
At least they got the ladder up quick.
They need LFB support our firefighters can deploy a hose within 20 seconds and water is spraying unlike the Americans it is always pain staking and funny to watch how slow they move and how far away they park from the fire
@@SCHRANZ3040 Mate, one of the videos I watched, was over 7 minutes from arrival to squirting 💦
In that time, the next door house caught fire too - I couldn’t believe what I was watching 🤦🏻♂️
Preplanning this occupancy would have helped with water sources, the location of the sprinkler and stand pipe connections, etc.
How did they pass inspection if there wasn't?
You are so right and of ALL places, a huge UPS facility. Wonder if they have heavy combustible loading in there, you think?
Listen to the firefighters talk & read the preface to the video. First there was a hydrant that was stuck close & wouldn't open. There were lines that were hooked to sprinklers but they also came off the stuck hydrant. It took 10 minutes to get the stuck hydrant open & flowing water. All this presented further issues as this was a Lithium Ion battery fire. You can not use water on a Lithium Ion battery fire. It requires special chemical agents. That's why you hear those popping noises which are explosions as soon as the water starts hitting the fire in the area of the batteries. I think monthly inspections of hydrants is a must. I also think we are in for a world of hurt as more & more of these Lithium Ion battery fires erupt daily. To think that most green politicians want everybody driving electric cars & as you can see here in the video, it don't take much of nothing to start these batteries on fire.
That popping sounded like c02
😢
To answer Donna's question. The buildings fire suppression system is supplied from the water mains surrounding the building with a valve station entering at two locations one each on a separate watermain in case one fails. I won't describe these in detail however they have two check valves on each station. one to prevent water flowing out of the building to the water main on the street and another allowing water to enter the sprinkler system from a special fitting on the buildings outside called a siamese fitting. This allows the fire dept. to connect a pumper to the building to boost the sprinkler pressure if they wish to on top of the automatic water supply from the city water mains.
So many ups drivers where so happy to get the day off
If you ordered anything to be delivered by UPS, you may want to check on your merchandise.
I saw this today....
I hope someone didn't win Avengers Marvel comic #1 for thousands of dollars .........
My lithium batteries have yet to arrive. I ordered 25 boxes of them. Very poor service.
You know what impressed me most about this response. The battery life on your drone! What are you using?
probably the same Lithium Ion battery that started this fire.
@@TheJmich2001 drones usually use nickel-cad batteries
@@bradmagnuson6963 All of my DJI hobby drones and my commercial Matrice 300 all use lithium.
Great question! I was curious too!
Yes correct battery’s from china and they are DJI, I keep all my drones in a pelican case and latched, never had an issue with them they are charged correctly and are approved, only time will tell. But yes they are lithium ion
Great video as always. Love the drone work. God Bless...
I realy enjoy watching your videos. You do a fantastic job. Do not stop, have fun and be safe. Gilles 👍👏
I want to say a couple of things here because of what some comments are. While I am not the most experienced firefighter ever I spent more than a year as a volunteer firefighter and have some experience with how this kind of scene and situation would go down. I also at first thought that some things were happening slowly, such as engine 5 arriving and not getting hose run and water on the fire faster, however you’ll notice that a hose was run promptly and went into the building to fight from inside, given a standard crew size it’s rare for two hand lines to be run from the same truck until additional personnel arrive.
With respect to the deck gun note I also was thinking of that and the aerial nozzle on the ladder, however I was always trained that you don’t turn on those unless you are hooked to a hydrant because otherwise they will empty the onboard storage in 30 seconds and on a for like this that wouldn’t have made a worthwhile impact, later on I agree that they could have used it. Given the crew size of 3-4 being standard once the line went into the building and counting that there was a firefighter hooking up to the hydrant and needs to be an engineer running the pump the counts seem in line with what was happening.
In terms of engine placement engine 5 part out of the smoke and a safe distance from the fire this makes sense, they might have been able to leave more room, but then an engine would need to get very close to the fire and in a dangerous spot, it’s best if these trucks part far enough that when firefighters exchange their tanks they can do so in clear air.
This brings me to one criticism I have and this is something I saw among my colleagues in my own department was people doing too much in too much smoke without using air masks, this van be very dangerous not just in the moment but long term, it’s worth the extra moment and the extra weight to use in such a way as to Turkey limit the hazard of fighting fires, your already being very brave, no need to take extra risks.
The other thing is another I have personally experienced before. I know that this captain started the second alarm not angling time after arriving, but it maybe could have been started a little sooner.
My last note is that some people were criticizing engine 5 for taking so long and hooking to the hydrant when the next truck should have done that. I was actually expecting them to bring the hydrant hookup, they were the second truck to arrive (after the ladder) and so that was their responsibility, I was on a fire once where the second truck didn’t do that and resultant we got to appoint where we ran out of water and had to take time to get the hydrant hooked up, time in which the fire grew and made it take longer to put the fire out than if they had just taken the 5 min to get it hooked up in the first place.
All in all like all fires and scenes there are things done well and things that could be improved, I’m sure these guys debriefed after and will learn from it like every department I have ever encountered does. These guys got the fire out, a fire that was large and complex with a variety of materials and structures burning. If I said something you don’t agree with feel free to say, no hard feelings, I just wanted to expand the discussion a little bit.
Nice job with the drone. I believe there is an opportunity here to video these kinds of events and show how they can improve thier techniques. Great for training and just historical value. 👍
love your drone footage, gives a great view.
Nice job with the drone!!
I know nothing about how hard it is to be a firefighter. I can only imagine how grueling it is. But, watching that man in the orange shirt sweating and working so hard just to unhook the hoses was an eye opener for me. God Bless these men!
Outstanding drone footage with radio traffic!!! Well done👍
Thanks you will do better next time!
You would think for a professional career department they would be out preplanning these buildings knowing where the FDC is and not have the chief making threats over the radio because he's in over his head
You would be surprised at how little being a "professional career department" makes in terms of how much they actually train/pre-plan. lol
Get a radio and then you can give directions directly from your Lazy Boy in your basement rec room.
Big safety meeting after this
WOW, love how the IC threatens the crew that was trying to locate the FDC…
Now that was very very professional! I wasn’t aware Barney Fife was in command of this call!
@@juliemodun4149 ANNNDYYY! 🤣
I hope all the employees made it out safely.
Awesome drone footage..
Interesting video. A drone 360 view would have been interesting. Parroting others, I think time to first water was a bit long. Fun to watch the engine on the left dropping line.
Wonder how many folks did not get the package they were expecting.😳
Took way too long to get water on fire! One ladder , one pumper shows up, where is this structure located? Seems it’s out of city limits, like 20 miles! Evidently, no fire stations &. Lacking hydrants! Crew’s didn’t seem to be hustling, took forever for additional backup to get to scene! Training is needed, plus radio traffic is way out of assistance, just a lot of redundancy , little help.
are really close to structure! Many trailut
Ned to axcells
Now this is where drones are actually very helpful I like the utilization of the drone in this. thank you for your service guys without you we would not have a country.. it would be a pile of smouldering hot coals
Outstanding Drone Photography!
Now, this a critique, not criticism because fire generally doubles every 30 seconds.
1) if the ladder has a tank and pump, they could have deployed an elevated master stream immediately to stun the fire in the opening minutes while the engine laid the supply line. Stretch supply line to engine.
2) Engine laying supply line could stay far away as possible to keep a path open. While 2-1/2 is being stretched, USE THE DECK GUN to further knock down the fire. (Wasn’t there a hydrant in the rear? Odd if not).
3) cops- DO NOT PARK NEAR THE FIRE!!! Ugh 😣
4) Next engine stretch (2) 2- 1/2’s into the front and attack from inside.
Great stop, nonetheless! I loved that they moved trucks out to reduce the exposure- removing fuel! They did get a ladder to the roof if vertical ventilation was needed. And they DIDN’T waste time and water using an 1-3/4. Also, 2nd alarm was quickly called.
Overall, not a bad job!
im often (badly) impressed by the long time between us fire dept arrival on scene and moment when they start to use water. If you take a look at european firefighters videos, there's a huge difference. Most efficient by far in Europe.
Shocking. Absolutely brutal.
Mount a tank and pump on your drone for quick initial attacks. Sometimes your're there before the fire trucks.
Maybe attach a hook and ladder to the drone. Those vehicles would be best for the first arrival.
The response was good !
Everything after that was a fustercluck
From pump operator to the duetchebag making threats.
Total caous smh
I can charge my phone to 100% faster than these guys got water on that fire. I'm just glad this was commercial property and not someone's personal vehicles or home.
But it was a ton of personal property, too, since it was a bunch of packages involved.
They walk slowly around and do nothing. Great job! Ridicolous!!!
One of the engines needed directions to the warehouse, another didn't know where the FDC was, and the first in appeared to do a reverse lay (with which appears to be a measly 1 3/4) while managing to block every other engine from coming in, and the ladder was doing nothing while, just to its left, an open fire was clearly visible from the top of the trailer. I overheard that from inside the structure, an interior attack was underway but didn't see any water coming from inside the building. FDs are supposed to get out and inspect/rehearse warehouses like this; not knowing where the FDCs are or how to get to the place seems odd at best.
I've never seen a video on this channel that I would call a sufficient response effort. This dept seems untrained and grossly inept. Makes me grateful to work for a major urban dept with an emphasis on tactics, training and efficiency. Guess you get what you pay for.
This is the exact reason why lithium ion batteries are not allowed in luggage on commercial flights. There were lithium ion batteries in that trailer that ignited
Perhaps Li ion batteries should be transported in their own separate and dedicated haulage trailers, built with more fireproof and heat-resistant materials for fire containment? Perhaps with a heat detector system on the trailer roof and built-in foam fire supression system on the roof, to at least hold back the fire (if it does not manage to extinguish it entirely) until fire crews arrive? I have heard soooo many cases of fires caused by Li ion batteries.
A great training video for how not to fight a fire. From beginning to end.
So what specifically was done wrong in your opinion?
You’re kidding, right?
You’re kidding, right?
@@MrSuzukiyamaha
Im still waiting for an answer...
I’m definitely not here to report to you. However, take a deep look at the handling of this entire process and you will note MANY mistakes, errors and just plain bad decisions. That’s it….I’ve said my peace.
What a fantastic job of putting itself out by the fire.
Drones assist firefighters in so many ways! Kudos to all. Stay safe!
This will make a great training film on how to do it better next time.
Drones will only assist if the Incident Commander can see for himself on the screen the conditions from above.
After watching several videos of New Jersey fires, I wonder how much fire insurance id there.
Great footage from drone operator
Great video
18:55 "primary search done, we just have to check the second floor" ????? If you haven't checked the second floor, how is the primary search done???
Lack of knowledge, lack of training, lack of experience as an incident commander.
I can't believe that the distance the closest hydrant was from the warehouse complex
Great video with the drone I like watching these keep it up i be watching 😊
That’s where my Amazon order went
I presume that the first engine at the scene was built without a deck gun.
Wondering why there was no hydrant nearer the bldg.
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If it's like UPS here it's that they initially built the facility away from other structures for this reason and to be able to expand later. Now it's bordered by the interstate just at/near an awkward set of interchanges, a railroad bridge, and more commercial structures, including an Amazon Distro, and one water supply between the two buildings...and the buildings is U shaped on the side furthest from water.
You would think cities that have infrastructure like water supply via hydrants would be chosen for shipping hubs
UPS Terminal. So that’s what happened to my package!
The manager of the building should have those box trucks moved off the door before they became part of the problem.
Right. Getting the employees to a safe location should be an HR problem.
Two trucks destroyed that could easily been moved before they were involved. Just needed to be pulled forward away from building. Saw one FF move a truck, but others were already involved by that time.
@@patrickmccrann991
We can't locate 3 employees. Where is the manager?!?
Oh, he's outside moving some trucks around.
Exactly...I would likely get fired because I would move whatever I could. And I've been treated like crap from management my whole 40 years. If I stopped and thought about it, I'd let it all burn, but that's not me.
Fantastic video work as always. Great job by the LFD for saving the building. I must say I have thoroughly enjoyed the tactical decisions the keyboard commanders have made this time.
I didn't think anybody still used 3" supply line. Need to come into the current standard.
What is most concerning to me is the failure of them to find the building's fire department connection until almost 17 minutes into the video. That should have been priority number 1 for the first truck on scene.
Those are the worst fires you can get - lots of burning material inside a building like this, trailers attached which are also loaded with lots of boxes - highly flamable... All firefighters out there are doing their best and they'll always have my respect.
I don't think I'd ever move to New Jersey.
Don’t lol 😂 I’m on my way out !!!
Ladder set up (no water) 1 engine supplying sprinkler and finally 1 hand line in operation from. Delta side. Delta side looks like a training session
I was surprised the 1st engine with only a 3 man crew, didnt pull farther in like near the ladder truck. Another engine then could have pulled up further and possibly if they would have had a deck gun, the fire could have been knocked down much faster. The only chief there for a while seemed overwhelmed by everything taking to long, and finding things. The drone operator did a good job but, needs to also catch footage out at front street shot too. Its useful in fires finding dangerous areas not seen at times. If there are many of these warehouses around in every state, i think pre planning is important to know where things are. Lots of Training needs to be done also. Seemed very slow getting many lines and water on it fast. Glad everyone was safe. Also. Ups should have let the fire department know if batteries were in any trailers from the get go.
Kudos to the first in first crews. You were already behind the eight-ball when you were assigned a 3-man crew! First line being a 2-1/2 and going to the interior was the correct tactical decision (even being understaffed). Aerial to the roof to what appears to be a type 2 warehouse was spot on! Thank you Jersey Shore Response for all your great footage and dedicated work!
Fine - Aerial to the roof....but then what?? Nobody went to the roof to vent if necessary. A roofman could recon and report conditions back to the I.C. That was a waste.
Also that exterior line would have done a better job if it was advanced from the left on the loading platform, and operated on the rear of the trailer and the structure at the same time, hittinh the truck, loading doors and the ceiling.
@@K7008BIt wasn’t a total waste putting the stick up in the air to the roof, they got to play around with their shiny truck for the news cameras, I don’t understand the strategy of having the stick in the air and nobody is on it and no water is flowing.
Why on earth did E5 not feed the ladder? Could have the ladder flowing while they pulled handlines
But they did, starting at 22:30. Didn't do any good as the stick was being used for roof access.
Anyone else notice that Chief 1 and the PD seem to be connected on V2V Whelen Cem Core?
Sync could be coincidental, otherwise that it awesome!
Not going to lie. The vehicle to vehicle sync on the lighting looks awesome even when the PD vehicles synced to the FD command vehicle.
holy crap this is spreading very fast. 😬😬😬
The radio transmissions sounded like they were short handed in the beginning. Only 3 ff’s on the engine.
All that equipment, and Man power with only one hose on the fire.
Three lines were in use (2x2.5 1x1.75) and the fire was quickly brought under control
Awesome footage as always! Thanks. 👍
Great job by FDs, and they were really hustling too. Video is excellent, really impressive. Thanks!
That's great. Now, what are your comments about THIS department?
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Which video were you watching? The rest of us watched the UPS bldg go right to shit from the get-go.
@@mikehoysler4322 That's because they didn't apply water immediately upon arrival.
Pretty long haul to the hydrant
the dark green engine 2121 look like my dept eng we are getting in less then a few weeks and i cant wait
12 minutes before water hits the hot stuff??? Wow 38 yrs of fire fighting in Australia and this would have to be the slowest attack ever.
Taking 12 minutes to hook up a hose for the first spray of water seems excessive in this particular situation, but thank you to all of the first responders for serving our communities.
It's a Lithium Ion battery fire anyway. I don't think you want to dump a bunch of water on a battery fire. Do you hear that popping noises? Those are explosions. That's what happens when water hits a Lithium Ion battery fire. The batteries have Magnesium in them & require special chemicals when they catch on fire. We are in for some big changes in the way we fight warehouse fires. Just last year a warehouse in IL. caught fire & was full of Lithium Ion Batterys. The owners never registered with the local authorities so nobody knew what was in the warehouse, until they started dumping water on the fire causing explosions. They ended up allowing the fire to burn itself out which took 2 weeks, then doused the ambers with chemical fire retardant. These fires take special chemicals & additional training.
At the 2:00 mark, notice the FD truck and the FPIU in the back with their lights synced together. Pretty neat!
I just made a comment about that! Glad someone else noticed too!
The fire's shooting at us!
Should’ve been a full-front from the beginning. Crazy choice from dispatch. But then you’d a had 3 times the disorganization and embarrassment. 😮
On another note, excellent production. Best I’ve ever seen.
What on earth are you talking about?
No yard hydrant?
They couldn't find the FTC or have a preplan
It's absolute negligence to not dispatch a FULL structure fire assignment for a semi trailer on fire next to a commercial building. But yet they'll send 10 companies to a car fire... SMH. Chief should've done his job and had the run card upgraded immediately from the start.
Slow response times just goes to show that they should have full time FD's, NOT volunteer. That first engine crew was ridiculously slow. I don't know what size that supply line was, but it doesn't look like 5"...
keyboard hero here .... lol full time or volunteer, fire is fire, both put on their gear the same way.
@@user-dv9wh8eb4g WRONG Son. Volunteer is for when you don't have the resources or run volume to justify a paid FD. I've only been on the job 40 years paid AND volunteer.
@@ffjsb Again, you have no clue. Try focusing on HIS point! Being paid to do something doesn't improve a person's work ethic or increase their level of responsibility. Firefighting just isn't that hard. You should know that after doing something for 40 years.
@@JB91710 How would YOU know what firefighting is like, you've NEVER done it. Nor do you understand WHY they should have a paid dept., it has NOTHING to do with work ethic, it has to do with RESPONSE TIME.
@ffjsb , hey it's mister know it all again. I've missed you keyboard captain, or is it chief?
Excellent drone pilots
Sounds like 👍 those on your team are taking an awfully long time to get to the scene 🎬, and to put the fire 🔥 out. Maybe 🤔 there’s too many dangers to tackle it right away. Your friend, Jeff.
Great job by the LFD. What took so long for the ups people to start pulling trailers out. Seems like ups had no plan for an emergency like that . tsk tsk not good
Had to find Union Teamsters first?
That was DEFINITELY Ammo Cooking Off! Not Explosions
Tires on trailers blowing up.
It was N2o canisters and aerosol cans, no ammo.
@@Schick2583 you were there or just your guess??? I know what ammo cooking off sounds like!
Well you didn’t know what it was this time, I was there and can show you pics of the N2o whippet canisters and aerosol cans that exploded.