George Lucas BASHES Girl Boss Trope! Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Under FIRE from Lucasfilm Creator!
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- George Lucas BASHES Girl Boss Trope! Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Under FIRE from Lucasfilm Creator!
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Well said! I don't know if that's a Lo Flo Bro original, but that's a great tagline for one of Pro's videos.
Disagree with that we still got a male superheroes
Amen
@@benmarxxshow all original
True that
I'm a woman, and I hate that trope, too! Treating all men as inferior doesn't make you a "boss;" it makes you a narcissistic, misandrist bully!
P.S. Moana is definitely *not* a "girl boss." They view feminine traits like empathy and kindness as a weakness, but it was Moana's strength since she was a baby!
Moana 2 is coming, she will be. She will be.
As a straight woman myself, I 100% agree. I started noticing the change in the 2000s when I was in my 20s and wasn't liking what I was seeing. I come from a wonderful family and am the only girl with 2 younger brothers. Believe me, I was a tomboy and was treated equally by my brothers. Not to mention that most of my cousins from my age were guys. Like between the Summer of 81 to Spring of 82, I was the only girl born on my mother's side. At the same time, I was also a girly girl who is still a sucker for romance since I grew up on Fairytales. If I saw anyone treat guys as 'inferior', I lay it on them thick! It's why when I heard about The Last Jedi's production, I was SOO angry.
@@tsiefhtesno she won't
As a man and myself there's nothing wrong with having a girl boss the problem is people don't understand what it means to be a boss
@@tsiefhtes Well I certainly am not going to watch it. I will stick with the first movie and that's it.
Meanwhile KK admits Star Wars is a largely male audience yet STILL persists in shoving female leads.
That would be because KK secretly hates all men, and has been waiting all her life to have the power to shove this kind of crap in their faces, and have no one (especially not male bosses) tell her "no"!
And accusing all the male fans for attacking women. She really said this.
Ahhhh It's not the female "leads" that are the problem. It's the feminist bull$#!+ they represent and hatred of prior canon that's the problem.
She is still convinced she can attract a new young female fan base. Hasn’t worked yet.
The diary of a clueless hack.
She doesn't even like star wars, she never did. She was supposed to hire and support the talent, not inject divisive nonsense.
Dude made 2 major mistakes: 1 Selling Star Wars to Disney and 2 putting Kathleen Kennedy in place as his untouchable protégée to rule SW on his behalf.
He should have done what Charles m Schultz had done whit "Charley Brown"
because he's a sellout like the manufacturers who sold out to the genocidal dictatorship known as China
This infuriates me more than anything Disney has done to the franchise. He had an opportunity to vote according to these comments last month and opted for more of the same leadership. What a coward
He's 80 and retired.
@@user-kz5gw7xe4o I appreciate your wholly irrelevant and pointless comment
Disney is a corrupt company as well as a monopoly. I find it interesting how complicit some people are with them. My cousin loves going to their parks and when I told someone I hate Disney they claimed it was blasphemy. That's quite telling.
He gave up on his franchise. His legacy and franchise are a tainted brand. What good does it even do to point it out now when you can't unbake the cake and take the rotten eggs out the mix?
I agree with you 100% I always blamed Lucas for what happened with Star Wars, his excuse for selling was weak.
His letter of unflagging support for Bob Iger, during the whole Nelson Peltz fiasco this past Spring, is what burned the last bridge between me and Lucas. GL still supported the gangster who ruined his pride and joy, and by extension, continued to support Kennedy, who has destroyed it completely. Lucas is getting exactly what he deserves. Him coming out and saying how much he doesn't like it NOW does nothing to change that.
True he gave KK a platform
IF GL wanted out of movie making then that is his prerogative. But he has come back... And for now, he's actually clapped back and taken KK and her cronies to task. This is an old school director who has watched from the sidelines while Hollywood turned into something he doesn't recognise and Iger drove Disney into the dirt.
Forget SW... Hollywood itself is dead and if GL has stayed, he'd be part of the problem instead of sitting apart from it because he no longer had anything that Woker's wanted from him.
@@z28mjt he could have kept it and have people within his company take over the movie making, with just some oversight. It is not like he have not done that with the Expanded Universe. And the live action TV shows was never a must for most fans.
Too little, too late, George. Where was all this boldness when it actually may have made a difference?
The man is contractually binded from saying negative things about Disney, he was stabed in the back
and have to listen to all these experts who feel they are better at representing his invention than he is. Smh.
When he was bold, we got singing fat aliens and a lizard sidekick with the intelligence of a rock.
Exactly. He could have cast his vote for Nelson Peltz, a couple of months ago, back when there was a chance to make real change at Disney/Lucasfilm. Instead, he stamped hard for Bob Iger (the man who originally stole his dream, and turned it to ashes, with KK in charge). He doesn't deserve our sympathy. He's getting exactly what he deserves... He's still right, in what he's saying, though. That part doesn't change.
@@jameswaythat's not the case at all
@@jacob4920disagree with that entirely Bob Iger just because George Lucas signed with Bob Iger that doesn't make him a bad person all this hatred for the guy is stupid. All that talk about George Lucas dreams being destroyed is a little bit over exaggeration. Because he didn't do a damn thing wrong and you people seem to not realize that if you don't like Disney or the Star wars films they made that totally fine but you hate a person that is siding with the company you hate it's ridiculous
"If you have to point out that a female character is strong, you haven't done your job as a storyteller."
Thank you so much for this. There's an essay I read years ago entitled "Why I Hate Strong Female Characters" that tries to make this point - think it's behind a paywall now. Anyway, we never talk about strong male characters - gee, I wonder why. Putting female characters in this strongbox is what's wrong with feminism. They never see female characters as individuals, but as representatives of the team. And female characters doing anything womanly, having normal emotions and drives, is seen as letting down the team, as a weakness. As an author and a reader and a woman on my own heroine's journey, this attitude gets very tiresome very quickly.
What's wrong with feminism is that they never wanted equality. They want things to be the other way around. They want to replace the Patriarchy with a Matriarchy. Because the Patriarchy lives rent-free in their heads, they cannot conceive of strength being manifest in any way except the forceful dominance of another person. That's why their strong women are always dominant and win every fight.
Today's feminists don't understand TRUE feminism! That infuriates people like my own mother (who grew up, and came of age, during the 70's feminist movement, that actually fought good and hard for a lot of the legal rights that women today enjoy, including being able to hold their own jobs, without needing the husband's legal consent! What today's "feminists" are fighting for is nothing more than two-bit VENGEANCE, and that pisses real feminists, like my mother, off to no end!!
100% agree (and I am a woman too who likes to write as a hobby). A person becomes strong by their actions . . . not words. I grew up in a strong female and male household. I loved being active and 'boyish' with my brothers and other relatives, but I also loved doing my girly stuff too. For me when it came to writing chars in general, I never cared about what they 'represented' I cared more about char development and how they fit within the story. And if my females just happened to be 'strong and independent', it was a result of how they developed.
The most off putting aspect of what you describe is that it makes the character look fake and thus unrelatable and obnoxious to spectators. Their understandings of what makes a human "strong" seems to be flawed. Being harsh is one way and generally, it's associated with villains for a good reason.
Thank you very much. It is why I am very critical at what Warner Bros. was doing with the Looney Tunes (specifically inconsistent female characters) while Ann Sarnoff was CEO. Pepé Le Pew got MeToo’d. And the Tiny Toons reboot was so bland in my opinion, no surprise that it was written by an activist, Erin Gibson, known for her political podcast Attitudes! as well as Funny or Die. Some of the recent spin-offs wanted to focus on characters that are popular with girls. Lola Bunny, who I remember was rebooted back in the 2010s in a sitcom iteration of the Looney Tunes where she was written to match her voice actress, Kristen Wiig, and her comedic chops. There was another iteration where they made her sporty like in Space Jam but with an unpredictable zany edge that made her a fun and humorous character. Now since LeBron Space Jam, Lola Bunny and the Granny character from the Sylvester and Tweety shorts were written to be like the strong and capable females Hollywood expects that feel like they are just there for empowerment instead of making the audience laugh. We are allowed to like or dislike characters based on how they were written and executed, not because of labels. Whatever the character, and whatever the genre, I expect it to be written well with motivations and traits that relate to the audience.
The "critics" don't buy the Merch so they are IRRELEVANT!
No one does!!! Look at Ollie's!!!
@@tmapes1989 My family used to. Have not had a thing we liked since Baby Yoda season one. After they fired Gina we were done.
They are quite relevant among the modern audiences that are at the end of the rainbow, next to the Leprechaun treasure chest .
Lucas pretty much forced KK on us. The reason KK is in charge is 100% Lucas.
Lucas was hurt by the fans trashing the prequels, which made him not want to make any more STAR WARS movies. Could it be that Lucas intentionally installed KK as president of Lucasfilm, Ltd., as a big "Fk You" to the fans who offended him and pissed him off?
We all make mistakes. George Lucas pulled a King Lear with Lucasfilm.
@@gregr3720 Lucas was set to make the sequel trilogy himself if Disney didn't buy him out. I never believed that he sold out to Disney because fans were mean to him. It's much more likely that Lucasfilm was hurting financially. It was a private company, so we'll never know for sure, but George said that he was concerned for his employees losing their jobs. By 2012, cheap CGI was likely undercutting his special effects business, his live-action Star Wars series couldn't get off the ground, and the animated Clone Wars series was very expensive to make but only bringing in mediocre revenue. George had said a few years earlier that he was never going to make the sequel trilogy, but then he changed his tune. He probably realized it was the only thing left that would turn a decent profit. Add in that by 2012 George was licensing out the Star Wars brand to anyone who'd give him a dollar and it looks pretty likely that Lucasfilm was in financial trouble.
@@user-kz5gw7xe4o he really did...
@@gregr3720😂😂... NO.
It's so simple: Star Wars is not female.
Absolutely.
Star wars is for all.
The Force is with us all😇😈🤘🏻✅
Correct statement... 💯...
@@uhh345this is the way
George, WHY THE HELL DID YOU BACK IGER??!!
This isn't actually all that hard a question to answer: Peltz is a friend of Perlmutter and Perlmutter is a friend of Trump.
It's that simple, and stupid. George is just as liberal as the next guy in Hollywood, and, as much as he may dislike and even resent Lying-Corporate-Overlord Bob Iger, at least Bob is a Liberal in Good Standing. Letting someone on the board - someone who might end up steering Disney, the current owner of your IP children - who might just be an ally of that evil, racist, evil, angry, evil, bigoted, (and did I mention evil?) Orange Man . . . that simply cannot be allowed to happen!
Churchill once said, ""If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons." That's the logic.
And, there's also whatever Bob paid (or at least promised) Lucas for the support to sweeten the deal.
Agree we have not forgotten that earlier this year he voted to keep Iger meaning he was fine with everything that happened before
There was a conspiracy that he claimed to have enjoyed the Obi wan Show
Because he's a sellout like manufacturers are.
Lucas was so focused on keeping his legacy alive after he passed he didn’t do his due diligence on who he was entrusting. KK, Disney etc all had lied to him. He got his money and status selling for more than Marvel; but they have utterly destroyed the brand.
It's weird too because KK worked with George in the past, it's not like he didn't know what she was capable of. The Indiana Jones movies are vastly overrated and they only get the attention they do because they are likewise LucasFilm shows. But KK was a big part of the IJ trilogy. It seems to me like maybe George is forgetful, could be all that weight he's gained, affects his sleep if he snores which then in turn will affect his memory.
Too little too late.
It's sold.
They changed it, it's no longer the Star Wars we knew, it's no longer a story that tells a story of "The Hero's Journey".
It's all about "The Agenda." now.
Not touching anything Star Wars from Disney until there's a purge.
The problem also with Girl boss it doesn't have character build up like rag to riches, weak to strongest, or to victim to victor, Disney starwars is rushed and way focus on social political messaging instead of story writing and filming with art passion. I think the film industry is lacking passion with writings and film making. Its the reason why we as movie fans tend to look back on nostalgic classic films than what is being produced today.
Princess Leia was a pretty strong character, without crossing the line to becoming a girl boss. Like Ripley in the Alien franchise. It can be done. Just don't write them as infallible and unrealistically skilled.
I agree !
Leia being skilled made sense since she was already secretly fighting in the Rebellion, not to mention Bail would've had her learn how to defend herself. She just didn't make Luke and Han look like idiots
@@elmermedina1713 That's the thing, all the characters worked together in a team where each one played their strong straights to perfection.
Unrealistically skilled = Bayonetta.
I agree with infallible though, and more important is how they treat others. They have to have charm and charisma above all else.
George needs to point out Leia is strong in interview when strong females doesn't need to be pointed out. Screw you George Lucas you have no right to call Han and Luke idiotic clowns and claimed Leia the hero. Did this fool even watch his own movies? Ughhh. Leia is not the hero you think she is, Georgy. She doesn't do much other than banging a slug gangster in a metal bikini in front of everyone.
Episode 4: she needs to be rescued, calls chewy a walking carpet and sits at yavin for the rest of the movie while these so called clowns battle at the death star.
Episode 5: she sits at echo base, gets captured at cloud city and needs to rescued again this time by lando and lobot. She lets Vader escapes and failed to rescue Han from Boba.
Episode 6: she fails to rescue Han again, got stripped and humiliated turning into Jabba's sex slave and needs to be rescued again by Luke. She befriends Ewoks but didn't help her friends when the Ewoks wanna eat them so luke and freaking c3po had to rescue themselves. Then, she got shot.
Episode 7: she's a lousy leader who let the first order rise and destroyed her new republic (5 planets) in the most let down way possible. She causes Hans death by giving him a bad advice where Han went defenselessly towards Kylo ren because Leia told him to talk some sense to him. Then, she walked past & ignored chewy (the walking carpet as she called him) and hug a random stranger she never met instead and sidelined Han's best pal.
Episode 8: she doesn't do anything other than defying laws of vacuum in space, physical assault and demoted a straight white man after literally saved the resistance, stunned him, and took a nap for the majority of the movie . When she called for help, nobody responded to her but in the next movie, they did respond to Lando and Po which says a lot about her. She also needs to be yet again rescued by Luke. She did the right thing in the end by trusting Po but I'm not giving her credit here because she's just changing her mind from a bad stand.
Episode 9: she supposedly trains Rey which is BS since ray is already more powerful than anyone. Doesn't do anything in the movie except complaining peoole should be more optimistic and then dies.
Episode 3: she's just a cry baby
"Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king." You have to show rather than tell.
How was working for weinstein ms headland? Nothing to see here i suppose?
The balance is, Star Wars like many other brands, was a boy/male brand. I want boys to have ther own zone and see heroic men, sure, with female involvement and support, maybe a subplot, but I don't want this overt 50/50 stuff. In SW's OGT, Leia, was kick arse and cool! Yet, the plot revolved around Lukes journey. In fact, to free Luke's story up, we can see throughout Empire, Leia reacts to Han in the same manner as Luke does in the first film. The idea of the woman having a civilizing humanizing affect on the lads is such a powerful trope. How it's treated with utter disdain, or done in such a demeaning, disrespectful manner nowadays, is nothing sort of a travesty.
One of my favorite moments of Star Wars is when Leia takes charge during her rescue "Somebody has to save our skins. Into the garbage chute flyboy." and then when she blasts the stormtroopers before they swing across the chasm.
Leia was a well written character. Compare her to padme, and then rey, and its a solid downward slope.
@@cheesesniper473 I thought Padme was an excellent character. She just unfortunately had the bad luck to be directed by George Lucas, who sadly does not know how to DIRECT a good film (he can write one, for certain! He's written plenty of greats over the years!) but he cannot turn his writing into a great motion picture unless somebody else not named GL is calling the shots from the director's chair.
@@jacob4920there's the little fact she is a cougar. But aside from that, she's okay.
And KK saw that and said crank it to eleventy-billion and make it all the females!
@@AW-ix5qg Not much of one, really. She's only five years older than Anakin. Even when he was a little nine year old, Padme was only 14. That's a five year difference. Not as "cougarish" as people would like to believe.
The Princess Leia outfit sold a lot of bedsheets in the 80s.
Somehow those are the only bedsheets I remember from my childhood and they were special to me.
Ma changed husbands faster than she changed bedsheets.
Georg revises his own history even more than he revises his films. Fortunately for us, his first movies are more honest than their creator.
The claim that the fans are afraid of strong female characters is a lie. Clarissa MacDougall (from the Lensman series; read it!) is a strong female character we adore her. Leia Organa is a strong female character, and we adore her. Beverly Crusher and Kira Nerys are strong female characters and we adore them. Susan Ivanova, Delenn, and Lyta Alexander are strong female characters, and we adore them. Minerva McGonagall, Molly Weasley, Ginny Weasley, and Grandma Longbottom are strong female characters and we adore them.
Wasn't this the guy who wanted a female protagonist in the new series and to have, what, like sentient midichlorines in it or something?
GL never wanted Star Wars to be what it was; a great big sandbox everyone could play in. I don't think he ever really understood what made it so beloved. For the vast majority of fans, Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy will always be the continuation of Luke's story. Nothing Lucas could do would ever change that.
Well, video games and books are quite interesting I'll admit, but George Lucas still authorized all that stuff even if it was potentially getting in the way of his vision for his movies. We'll never know now because they weren't made and Disney made that nonsense instead. I really think Disney should just apologize and make 7-9 over again, using the guidance Lucas offered them. And they should force him to work with his ex-wife as part of the deal. She did good work.
I've been saying since 2012 that Disney was going to ruin Star Wars.
I see you based Chad
If you dig into Frozen, Elsa should have been a villain. She tried to kill her sister and destroyed her town’s food supply.
I would like nothing to do with disney and the brands it owns.
They have ruined so much and I do t think that will change until those IPs are independent again.
They honored STAN LEE until he passed on. Disney out right disrespect G Lucas to his face. Where was DAVE FILONI?
Thinking vigorously about Ashoka Tano, who was a good friend.
He was grabbing KK’s and the story groups coffee
How to kill a billion dollar franchise 101 by professor Kathleen Kennedy.
Great panel with good insights.
As for George, i wish George did his homework better and handed this beloved franchise to a much better care taker then Disney has been. Lately, Disney only seems to ruin franchises rather than take good care of them.
Pro, you need to stop preaching so much and let your guests express their opinions with out you directing everything. Less is more.
Maybe he could have done this before the vote for the Disney board. You know, trying to improve the situation, and not just complaining after helping them maintain their total control.
Not interested in George Lucas's opinion on storytelling or filmmaking, he made a ton of money on a couple of stories but history will not remember him as a great filmmaker. He should go home to Skywalker ranch and let the world forget him.
You are wrong 100% he will be remembered as a great filmmaker and the world will never forget him
Some of the most influential movies of all times. They changed a great many things in not only film making but advertising and merchandising. He rocked the boat till it almost tipped.
He has far more misses then hits - Radioland Murders, Howard the Duck, Tucker a Man and his car, and worse of all American Graffiti 2 (do NOT watch that film because u won’t be able to enjoy the first one after every character is trashed)
That may be but you can't take away from accomplishments he has made and innovating he did. He was also involved with creating Indiana Jones' first few films. Creatively means a willingness to fail is a possibility in the attempting.
He sold the franchise out 1st. Talk shit all he wants, he was the one that let go. The destruction of the franchise was by his own hands
Better late then never
I agree with Kara (11:06) about Captain Marvel facing no real threat. The fight scenes were so boring because I knew she would win and never be seriously injured.
What killed Captain Marvel for me is that she was a jerk, and remained pretty much a jerk to everyone around her. And that all she had to do to unleash her power was just decide to - no learning, no personal growth, no real obstacle to struggle against. Just insulting and outshining all the menfolk from the first frame to the last. Even the little childhood montage at the end showed she was *always* one to stand up after a fall...so yeah, she didn't have to change anything about herself except stop being lazy.
What killed Captain Marvel is that they took a female fighter pilot from the early days of that being a thing and made her weakness... self-belief? Fighter pilots have egos the size of the moon! Rationally, she should have already accomplished her so-called character arc before the movie even started. She had already achieved what is a pinnacle in the US military.
There was a way to make that character work but they were uninterested in giving her any kind of logical arc.
Star Wars is DEAD. There is no fixing it as long as the WOKE movement exists, and it shall always exist. The sequels are a cancerous tumor that can go into remission, but cannot be excised due to the will of fanatics who will do ANYTHING to keep them canon.
It is worse than dead, it is categorically UNDEAD .
Iger's Woke Diseasney co. did this and people need to remember that.
@@FORTEtheSECOND It is not only worse then DELETED. It has become something that formerly diehard fans increasingly no longer give a sh1t about. Apathy is worse then anger. I've passed through my 5 stages of grief and I now relish seeing more girlboss femi ni st SW movies and shows being announced. Seeing Disney burn money is now my main passtime.
That's straight up ridiculous to think that society is going to be forever tainted by social justice politics. Every era experiences various social movements that come and go. The current one is no different it will also end. Just like the hippie movement and the Cold War. Anyone who thinks the feminist social justice movement will last forever is either not living in reality or is paranoid.
This current social justice fad was never meant to last forever because it can't it's impossible. It is extremely unpopular and it's waning especially compared to 2014 - 2017. It's just a matter of time before it ends. It just feels like it's taking longer to end due to the internet and social media. But it is inevitable that it will end.
Kreia said it best "Apathy is death"
@@NewCanada The AGI ASI AI revolt will replace and absorb it.
I truly believe George took the massive criticism of the Prequels so personally that he sold off his golden goose. He probably enjoyed the poor reception the Sequels got due to ‘miss me yet?’ schaudenfreude. But now things have gotten so bad that he can see Star Wars on death’s door. The fans aren’t even angry anymore, they’ve moved on to the dreaded apathy stage.
That's interesting, do you think the rumors about Mandalorian becoming worse over time and also the Acolyte is a bad show are true? I haven't seen these shows I just saw first 4 episodes of Mandalorian and was planning to watch more but I was waiting. If it already has become bad then maybe I'll stop waiting and just binge them soon.
O MY GOSH PRO!!!! FINALLY SOMEONE - YOU - HAS SAID THE TRUTH ALOUD !!! Your insight is 100%
Five years too late.
More like 10 years.
This contrived Girlboss trope (in stark contrast to genuine strong female characters) ultimate began with Ron Moore's so-called Reimagined Battlestar Galactica and the Resident Evil film series both in the early 2000s.
I actually like the "Resident Evil" movies (especially the first film!). They're "idiot movies" done well. Not meant to be taken seriously, just enjoyed brainlessly. I wouldn't even come close to blaming those movies for what we have now. Not when we have shining examples like "Ghostbusters: 2016" to show us all EXACTLY when Hollywood started to turn bad in front of our faces!
Nah. BSG 2004 didn't strike me that way. They did a decent job with Starbuck. That character was not overpowered. She was a f@ck up and had a substantial amount of character development. I didn't smell any Mary Sue in that one.
I dont consider the first RE movie to be that, but those movies are cheese anyway. The Resident Evil movies obvioualy took inspiration from Trinity from the Matrix.
Most modern girl boss characters are just badly written Trinitys.
Princess Leia, Queen Amidala … and Lucas forgot Mon Mothma head of the rebellion in the very first movie.
Creator George Lucas NEVER ONCE called the Disney Trilogy a "sequel" to anything to do with Star Wars.
The girlboss trope isn't just overdone, it's done poorly. Most of the girlboss characters are just gender swapped male leads with nothing actually feminine about them. It's actually disgusting how KK pushes her agenda so hard and simultaneously sucks at it yet still has a job.
I wouldn't even say they're like the make leads because they aren't allowed to go through the shit we often see make leads go through, not do they actually start at 'low point' or awkward points before becoming heroes. They're already at position of power or are 'the best' and treat people like shit by being constantly passive aggressive about knowing this fact and loathing they aren't being praised by the 'common folk'.
@WDW Pro George is so right about his female heroines in that they were feminine, beautiful and wore dresses but they were so intelligent, formidable, could hold their own. Seeing Princess Leia in her dress holding her blaster on Vaders Ship and Padme in her white outfit , with her blaster in the battle of Geonisis showed their true heroine qualities.
Correct- leia had the mind probe in a new hope, was tortured in empire and had to wear a gold bikini and got shot in the arm by a blaster in jedi while rey had no challenges or painful experiences to strengthen her.
Scotty on original Star Trek was the only guy in a red uniform who knew that red uniform people that beamed down to a planet always died, so he stayed on the enterprise. The one time he did beam down, he was accused of murder and held on trial...
Now one thing that I will remind people about the relationship between Han Solo Leia and Luke Skywalker. George Lucas’s idea for the Skywalker Twins is was that George was going to bring a totally new character in a second female character in Empire, strikes back or return of the Jedi. But abandoned this new female character this second Skywalker. And merged it with princess Leia and made them one in the same. And the main reason why George abandoned this new second female character is because of the relationship that Carry Fisher, Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford had he loved that these three people had a strong bond with one another and he did not want to screw it up.
His vote at the shareholder meeting speaks volumes.
Where to begin with this dumpster fire. It's mainly a male audience but who in the hell decides to wrap up the Skywalker Saga with new characters out of the blue. They were boring to begin with and not much of a back story. The sequels were already there but they trashed everything and pick at it trying to gain some traction. Look what happened when they brought Luke back! People everywhere were crying, people got their childhood hero back in force. That was the Luke Skywalker we all knew and grew up with. In all honesty I think Kennedy is trying to make a name for herself by using something she never created
It could very well be that for his support of Iger, he could finally be able to speak out against what Disney has done. He voiced his regret over the sale but, that was a far cry from actually criticizing how modern SW has missed the mark.
My mom and dad brought me to see Star Wars in our station wagon in 77 at a drive-in movie theater. I was 4. They weren't even attaching "A new hope" to it. It was just plain ol' Star Wars. Only in the crawl you seen it say, episode IV a new hope. Nowhere else.
2 weeks ago, there’s was 7,457 CZcams videos saying he’s was going to be back for the next project … 👀
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king at all"
The thing that I hate so much about girl bosses is so many of them display entitlement of power that I remember from middle school; a lot the 'I want to lead the clique' type of stuff where girls fought to be the most popular and leader of their tiny friend groups while looking down on everyone else. It doesn't help that even within this, the personalities and variety of character types with girl-bosses is incredible shallow. They're all replaceable of each other because writing them locks you in specific personalities and trying to stray from it labels you a bigot or whatever buzzword they throw out.
The reason I connect to make characters more is because they're ALLOWED to be a variety of flawed from the start and THEN rise from that. Girl bosses however have no flaws other than the 'flaw' of being born female in a world of incompetent and sexist men but then that's flipped by stating the girl boss is perfect BECAUSE she's female so in the end, she has no flaws and it's the rest of the world's fault they don't get on their knees and praise her.
I said this when I looked at Invincible; I connect with Mark more than Amber despite 'looking like her' because;
*I felt trapped in a shit job
*I felt unsure of what I was doing with anything
*I didn't know if I had a 'place' or anything
Amber reminded me too much of the drama magnets I knew from school and online and I utterly loathed her but from observation, personalities like this are being inserted more and more because that's how the people making this slop act.
Reina's comment reminds me of a Tywin Lannister quote in Game of Thrones he says to Joffery 'If you have to say you king then you are true king' and I find it rings true for anything.
Mom Mothma was the head I thought and Princess Leia was a top leader though. Two female leaders of the rebellion in 1977
George Lucas can go to that particular spot of Limbo together with George R. R. Martin. No hell or heaven for them till we get an actual sequel trilogy or the Winds of Winter.
Peltz gave up on Disney and sold all of his DIS stock. Disney is truly FD now. Watch the stock fall like rain today.
We had "girl bosses" in the old days. We called them ball-busters and avoided them like the plague.
Nailed it again Pro👍
I'm old. I was in the theater when Episode 4 released in 1977. It was magical being in the theater with every walk of life. We were all blown away and we walked out of there on a cloud. I'm also a woman and as far as I'm concerned, Star Wars is dead to me. These people lost the plot entirely. I loved all the characters and how they meshed together. I saw a bit of myself in all of them!!! I hope to bring marshmallows to the Disney pyre as it burns. They asked for it.
Episode 6 came out in 1983.
@@ChristianFrates1997Thanks. I fixed my error to reflect episode 4.
George 's Protege's have betrayed him. KK has no clue, Filoni is a hit and miss. the problem with that he hits and misses within the project. it sucks when u can only enjoy certain scenes within a project , that means your project sucks, not well thought through. Sabine at full strength shouldnt have has the abilities that she had because she is not strong with the force but she can be trained to wield some soft skills. the skywalkers had to train hard even though they had the highest levels of force within them, so Fiiloni seems not to understand the force as well as he should
NO ! Hermione is NOT the only intelligent in the trio, in the movie perhaps but not in the books.
Hermione is booksmart, anticipates contingencies but has NOT the detective mind and insight to be on the case alone. Harry has that mind. Actually Harry Potter is closer to Agatha Christie's works than you think, Harry is Hercules Poirot, Hermione is Miss Lemon, his secretary and Ron is more like Hastings. Each has something to bring to the story, Hastings seems stupid and simple but sometimes notices simple things that completely fly over Poirot's intellect. Miss Lemon organizes things and even brings things up to Poirot that he didn't take into account.
Rowling played it very clever not stereotyping them too much according to psychology.
True, Harry is not the profound intellectual that Poirot is but has the detective mindset and the moral drive to justice. Hermione is more intellectual than Miss Lemon (even quite the activist at some point) but has the rest. Ron is much more like Hastings in regards to character, brave, not too bright and never shining over the others.
Bravo LaReina at 13 minute mark! I could not agree more. EVERYONE, boy, girl, black, white, whatever, we could all relate!
If he was so against Disney Star Wars, why did he back Iger and the current board.
I don't know, maybe he's just crazy now. Did he really do that or are people lying about that? Seems weird that he would show support for one of the people that promised they'd do his sequel trilogy justice and then broke that promise.
If they are writing for this mysterious "Modern audience" then, Modern audience they are seeking are immature spoiled 2 yr olds, and, it doesn't reflect well on the modern writers that they can't write to please more than one target group. I was 26 when the first Star Wars came out, It pleased me very much, sat in a theater and watched it with my husband of 2 yrs. Love that music! I've always loved that kind of science fiction myth/Fairy tale. Generally, I love myths, fairy tales, science fiction more than I can explain.
There were kids of 5 that loved it also. Very much like what Mr. Pro said about identifying with the protagonist of the story. Entirely how the human soul works.
The first Star Wars series was very much the Hero's journey. A female can go on a hero's journey, but hers' will be different than the male version. Read some books on Jung's theories, please. Anima and Animus, for instance. Also, No one mentions that Lucus entertained Joseph Campbell on his ranch around the same time he wrote and than directed Star Wars, when I learned that, I realized that what I loved about the movies was because Lucas knew what he was doing.
Also, Star Wars is so crafted that it approaches the ancient philosophies of Hermeticism, Taoism, and Hinduism. I recognized that immediately. IN wiser times, we knew that for society and civilization to survive and prosper, we needed both Male and Female awareness (consciousness, understanding, influence, again, read some Jung and then Joseph Campbell, those are a starting place) Societies collapse when they become too out of balance. We must not become so rigid that we stagnate, nor so chaotic that we spin ourselves into destruction.
The interesting thing is ex wife had the same opinion on it. They know what they're saying.
The best philosophy is, when writing a genuinely good story, design your hero, genderlessly. Create a person with specific and relevant characteristics and FLAWS which make sense in the tapestry of the saga. Assign keys and locks to your characters, later.
That's how Ripley was borne.
And it resulted in the birth of one of the most incredible hero(in)es in film.
Unless their junk directly correlates with the story, it should remain irrelevant to who the character is as a person and a protagonist/antagonist.
Correct, I LIKE'd what I said.
I think what I'm saying makes sense and I think it deserves a thumb's up.
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George RR Martin also weighing in on wokeness sort of. He spoke about writers changing original source material.
GL doesn't care. Sure he sold star wars. None of you mentioned that samuel l jackson was a black man in the star wars prequels so the bs this article is going on about saying lucas didnt have any diverse characters is bullshit.
George is a great acknowledge of the Hero cycle.. he let Joseph Campbell do his last interviews in the Power of Myth at Skywalker Ranch. being a hero is not about power, it is struggle and change and then success. Look at the Myths in our collective past, man or woman, - strength, cunning, guile and intellect is what wins.
Change defines the strength of character.
If anything, I think GL comments proves the Bob Iger comments weren't him at all, simply a blank signature that they attached their crap to. I'm guessing the wife was involved in that. Unless he says something live and in person, one probably shoudln't assume it's his word.
Moana also discovered how the world works and evolved. The first thing she does is help Maui and he locks up behind a boulder. She learned that some of her views were nieve that not everyone is honest or to be trusted. She also had to learn to use the boat she was on.
Imagine saying: " it's about time a man shaped the Jane Austen's books and films"... since I am a male activist and it's the right thing to do....
(when a guy does it, you get Pride and Prejudice and Zombies?)
For me growing up, 3 women come to mind when it comes to strong female characters. Sigourney Weaver(Alien), Carrie Fisher(Star Wars) and Mira Furlan(Babylon 5). For me they were well written and engaging characters that they played.
Hey Pro! Nelson Peltz and Trian sold ALL of their Disney stock. Is Peltz done?????
for a minute i thought this was an ai voiceover modeled off Rush Limbaugh. Grand voice my guy
If everyone had been more gentle about the prequel trilogy, we would've seen Darth Jar Jar, and Lucas wouldn't have sold star wars.
Its funny, as what he is talking about. Is more then just the "non racist or sexist" way a viewing things. It also ties into the core rules of writing good stories. Take for example the hero journey. Rey fails at this because she never really struggles. She isn't like luke who ends up paying dearly for his actions. Case in point him losing his arm in order to attempt to save his friends. And this is due to the fact that the hero has to be on the down term for most of the story.
A hero needs to be weaker then the things that they are fighting. As this raises the stakes and makes you think the hero. A character who will never die in a story. Actually has a chance to be killed off. You need to enstil the fear that the person you been following may not make it to the end of the story. Or else, why would you even care about this character? As you already know the ending. Bad guy is defeated and the hero is victories. This happens for 90% or more stories.
You as a writer needs to trick the audience into thinking that the hero is in any kind of danger. and you can't do it by making them perfect. The badguy has to be an opposing force that gives the heroes limited chance of survival. A great example of this is D&D where the heroes fight a dragon. A dragon is a 50 foot tall gigantic monster that can fly and breath fire. And wights enough to crush a man, if you didn't count giant claws or fangs. This makes you feel like the heroes have little to no chance of survival. So when they survive and kill the dragon. You are like wow, i cant believe how creative they are. How their plan worked and yada yada. That is what makes good storytelling. Being able to trick the audience into thinking that the hero never stood a chance.
The fact that these shills and modern audience seekers say that they want this and that it really doesn't matter how much you give them. It will never be enough. There is no endgame for these people. As for George Lucas, where was all this passion subdued as it may have been when pelt z was trying to fix Disney and yet he throws his hat into the ring for Bob iger. That makes absolutely no sense to me. There's a lot more going on in the background than we know I think.
The heroes journey is what they're lacking. They start weak and imperfect...but eventually learn over time and grow to become a hero.
5:07 that is exactly why they started ranting about "representation", because that way they can insert their own solution instead of making others think about the problem.
George tried to keep creative control, but after long negotiations, Disney insisted that’s not how it works when you sell something.
Although, George was growing older with family and health issues.
Disney sold him, not so much on the money, but if Disney owned Star Wars, his legacy would live on forever.
Then he was betrayed by Disney and KK.
GL inserted KK their at disney. That is his fault.
Then he is an idiot for continuing with the deal. There was other bidders. Warner bros also had a bid. He could have sold to someone else that would respect his lore. He went with the one with the most money. Because it was about the money and not the legacy.
nah, he sold it because he got so salty over people critiquing his Star Wars prequels at that time.. haha
Nice cope, but sorry Lucas was the sole cause.
@@hteekay His prequels sucked. If he got salty over it then he should have made better movies. SW was best when it was a team effort. George, with his then wife Marcia and friends giving him feedback and her editing. He booted them all out, surrounded himself with yesmen and that's how we got the prequels. George can't handle criticism. So screw that sellout! I hope seeing SW turned into girlboss fodder gives him stomach ulcers.
Many Folks seem to miss, that when Padme, Obi-Wan, and Anakin, were chained up in the stadium, Padme OUT-ESCAPED the two Jedi.
Leia in ep. IV was the only person in the galaxy to - Knowing full well what he could do,- get a smart mouth with Vader, and live.
Heroic.
I am an OG Star Wars female fan. I was in line in 1977 to see the orignal Star Wars. I did not feel left out being a girl in the theater. I was just a Star Wars fan having the best time of my life. I wanted to be Princess Leia so bad. She is/was a badass hero. Rest In Peace. BTW I am Latina.
Like Ripley in Alien. She wasnt some in your face I can out man a man type. She was shit scared for pretty much the entire movie, she survived by doing things she was scared to do. She survived by her wits, by focusing on what she knew she had to do if she had any chance of survival at all. Hero's arent fearless, hero's get the job done in spite of their fear and men and women alike universally respect that in people who do it. Men and women are equally capable of it although often leaning on different abilities/skills to pull it off.
Call them clows oh yeah..... Good luck turning it back to boy brand after that
They are also ignoring certain realities about how Hollywood (it would not surprise me to find out that "they" are trying to revise this ugly fact about Hollywood's still relatively recent past) used to be very concerned about having too many so called "minorities" cast in a movie they were planning on marketing to suburban white people. They were just playing with the concept of "crossover appeal" in not only marketing but also with production. Only with that it was more about who the audience was that they were considering making the movie for...and that even was something distributers were concerned about.
It was not a pleasant fact of Hollywood's (again not so distant) past history. It is unfortunate but very much was how things were. Really how they still are kind of, only now things are not about crossover appeal or audience demographic and targeted marketing anymore. Instead it is about pushing out white men, straight white men, and replacing them with as many so called minorities and alphabet squad characters and actors to push an agenda instead. Which will be looked back on as just as ugly in time, all the same
Bashes! Backlash! Slammed! Etc…
If this were the early 1970s, there would be an exploitation movie where Kathleen Kennedy and Leslie Headland travel the country on motorcycles in a post apocalyptical wasteland, killing men in sadistic ways until they run across a former professional female wrestler who leads an encampment of survivors. Viewer discretion is advised!
Very interesting content. I strongly believe that we definitely dealing with the matter of perspectives and as a Gen-Xer, there may be more interest in content of a character than just the image portrayed, intended to pleased or be accepted. It did not work, especially we true fans realized that their goal was to destroy the old and build the new. The Last Jedi 1:47:58 Ren states: “it’s time to let old things die.” That was Kathleen Kennedy’s plan from the start. Star Wars fans were directly attacked by this approach; as we weren’t expecting to go watch and movie to witness how our iconic characters were belittled and then killed.
It may be too late to save Star Wars. But honesty in Hollywood is valuable anywhere you can get it. Go get 'em, tiger.
For all those saying that they don't care anymore since he sided with Iger, like I said before, I think there's more to the situation than George Lucas siding with Iger. If anything, I think Lucas is a victim of being a corporate hostage since Iger slapped a none disparaging clause in the contract that prevents George from speaking out against Iger and he can only say positive things about Iger's work. It's incredibly slimy and malicious on Igar's part to do this to a man who has already suffered enough (health problems, divorce, constant harassment from OT purists and prequel haters that murdered his creative drive and so on).
Both Iger's memoir and Lucas's interview on the Charlie Rose show make it abundantly clear that Lucas hates what Iger has done to his work. But his figurative hands are tied that prevent him from speaking out.
Tiny hats gonna tiny hat.
Lucas should never have signed that "non-critical" contract in the first place. Nor should he have gone through with the sale of Lucasfilm to Iger. Reasons aside, Lucas will ALWAYS be at fault for those two mistakes! And they will both follow GL to his grave, sadly.
@jacob4920 meh I don't really have sympathy for the fans who instigated it. People can rag on Lucas all day for selling, but the fans were hilariously toxic towards him before that and celebrated the Disney acquisition.
Have you seen the signed contract?
Monmathma is the head of the Rebelion
Yet, he endorsed Iger. F-off, George.
It’s wild what KK put out immediately after these remarks. The line in the sand has been drawn.
Disney killed Star Wars long ago for me. Killed it, shat on it, pissed on it and stomped the ashes.
In Animes there are many strong women, some even a bit more masculine but still written very well. Like full metal alchemist
I already heard what George had to say when he sided with Bob Iger.