Dave Filoni Is SCREWING Star Wars: Agrees with Leslye Headland that Anakin Didn't CHOOSE Darkness!

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  • Dave Filoni Is SCREWING Star Wars: Agrees with Leslye Headland that Anakin Didn't CHOOSE Darkness!
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  • @RenegadeVash
    @RenegadeVash Před 26 dny +98

    Killing indigenous people, children, destroying entire planets. Yeah he totally was not evil.

    • @reidmason2551
      @reidmason2551 Před 26 dny +9

      And he knew he had a violent rage that he couldn't control and was ashamed of it, at least at first. By the time of the original movies, he knew he'd become a monster and resigned himself to being damned.

    • @mcgilj1
      @mcgilj1 Před 26 dny +3

      The point is. He didn't see himself as evil at the time. He felt righteous in the moment.

    • @withitstudios
      @withitstudios Před 26 dny +7

      ⁠@@mcgilj1when Anakin killed the younglings, there was no righteousness, he knew he was choosing evil.

    • @RenegadeVash
      @RenegadeVash Před 26 dny

      @@mcgilj1 I think you are confusing righteousness with rage fueled revenge. He resented the Jedi for holding him back from power to protect those he loves. But that was twisted into hatred to the point of domestic abuse and murder.
      If intention is all that matters Hitler must not be evil but righteous as well.

    • @rrgale55
      @rrgale55 Před 26 dny +4

      You forgot to mention when "Anakin destroyed the Death Star and killed millions of people." lmao!!

  • @blockerman3d266
    @blockerman3d266 Před 26 dny +116

    You realize that they believe this only because they recognize that they, themselves, are evil.

    • @animezilla4486
      @animezilla4486 Před 26 dny +1

      Are you talking about the characters or the people making the show

    • @Shadi092986
      @Shadi092986 Před 26 dny +7

      Exactly, just like how the Skrulls are portrayed in the MCU as aggrieved refugees.

    • @Gundam4
      @Gundam4 Před 26 dny +2

      Dave filoni has become truly lost

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny +2

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

    • @whisperedflame6952
      @whisperedflame6952 Před 26 dny

      @@Shadi092986yeah I was so confused about them. Could you please explain to me what the truth about the skrulls are? I didn't pay too much attention to the MCU's more nuanced moral stances.

  • @davfree9732
    @davfree9732 Před 26 dny +44

    I was so moved when I saw young Luke being forced to live in the cupboard under the stairs by Ma and Pa Kent. Spock truly was their favoured child.

  • @gregkirby9059
    @gregkirby9059 Před 26 dny +47

    BRO i told you all that DAVE BALONI was WOKE

    • @KathrynTestBot
      @KathrynTestBot Před 26 dny +9

      Eh, people want to hope. I see stockholm syndrome all over the place when it comes to these old monomyth epic IPs.

    • @Lobsterwithinternet
      @Lobsterwithinternet Před 26 dny +4

      I've been saying this since The Clone Wars tv show.

  • @Star4wars1
    @Star4wars1 Před 26 dny +50

    Luke's story is a heros journey, while anakins story is a Greek tragedy, basically Luke's story is about the rise of a hero while anakins is about the fall of a hero.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny

      Anakin was barely a hero in the prequels.

    • @bondgabebond4907
      @bondgabebond4907 Před 26 dny +3

      @@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked But He was the chosen one. Hero he was not, totally messed up he was. But it is a good story watching how Anakin's troubled past led to his being led to the dark side. You see and feel the hurt in Anakin. You can also see Palpatine taking advantage of Anakin's weakness. That is what makes the prequels so good, if one is really watch and study it.

    • @marybarnes6407
      @marybarnes6407 Před 25 dny +3

      @@bondgabebond4907 the tv show clone wars shows it better then the movies how tragic the fall was. the sad thing is the jedi COULD have helped him manage his issues and but they CHOOSE to ignore his struggles. they are in my book just at fault as Anakin. i mean you have a one of the council member had a FAMILY with like 7 kids, why was he allowed to have a family but not Anakin?
      rules for thee but not for me.

    • @anastasiabell
      @anastasiabell Před 25 dny +3

      ​@@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Apparently you didn't watch The Phantom Menace. Anakin has been a hero since he was a child.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 25 dny

      @@bondgabebond4907 Nah. Obi wan described Anakin as a great warrior and a good friend. We see that only one of those things is true in the prequels and it’s not the good friend part since their relationship was mostly antagonistic. The point is that the OP said that the prequels were about the grail of a hero. They aren’t because Anakin was more murderous psychopath than hero for the majority of the time he was onscreen.

  • @benbrown4899
    @benbrown4899 Před 26 dny +140

    nobody cares about star wars in 2024

    • @animezilla4486
      @animezilla4486 Před 26 dny +5

      Really if that was true then why are people still talking about it I could be wrong but I'm starting to think people are not going to ignore this stuff

    • @ardendragoon
      @ardendragoon Před 26 dny

      ​@@animezilla4486we care in a sense that it's fascinating to see these people burn the most popular film franchise in history to the ground.
      Its a plague of flying monkeys and it's hilarious.

    • @demonicaxeman7264
      @demonicaxeman7264 Před 26 dny +11

      @@animezilla4486 I always talk about Star Wars, but I'm not watching this Acolyte crap.

    • @reidmason2551
      @reidmason2551 Před 26 dny +12

      @@animezilla4486 Stop your shilling.

    • @pepe_nacho_5108
      @pepe_nacho_5108 Před 26 dny +4

      Thanks to DEIsney

  • @KennethBlum-sl6rx
    @KennethBlum-sl6rx Před 26 dny +16

    Filoni looks like one of those guys that are banned from being near playgrounds.

  • @infinity_flair
    @infinity_flair Před 26 dny +29

    Of course Anakin knew he was choosing evil. His confession to Padme about his slaughter of the Sand People is the first instance. His first act as Vadar was to butcher a bunch of children - anyone would know that is evil. But he chose it anyway in order to achieve power.

    • @little_dandelion
      @little_dandelion Před 26 dny +4

      Remember well what you've just written. And apply it to celebs, politicians, corporations...

    • @dcarre
      @dcarre Před 25 dny

      I think it was first Padme, but killing the younglings went too far.

  • @raymathews1474
    @raymathews1474 Před 26 dny +21

    "it's too late for me". Sounds like he was aware of it .

  • @demonicaxeman7264
    @demonicaxeman7264 Před 26 dny +81

    Dave Filoni is losing his goddamn mind.

    • @tjroelsma
      @tjroelsma Před 26 dny +21

      Nope, he has just dropped the mask and is showing his true colours.

    • @Lord_Numpty
      @Lord_Numpty Před 26 dny +19

      There’s an argument to be made that Filoni doesn’t care about Star Wars so much as what HE thinks Star Wars should be, backed up by all the changes he made that don’t fit in with the prequels, EU _or_ Disney’s desecration, starting with his pet who can never be wrong even when she objectively is, Ahsoka Tano.

    • @MonstersOfTheUniverse
      @MonstersOfTheUniverse Před 26 dny +2

      Ahsoka was co created by George

    • @demonicaxeman7264
      @demonicaxeman7264 Před 26 dny +10

      @@MonstersOfTheUniverse Yeah, but Lucas wanted her character to die off before Episode 3.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny

      @@demonicaxeman7264And your proof is?

  • @Zeus1701E
    @Zeus1701E Před 26 dny +8

    Filoni has shown his true colors. Someone who already seen The Acolyte has described as it is worse than The Last Jedi, if you are a pre-Disney fan, it will kill Star Wars.

  • @albertfajarito1
    @albertfajarito1 Před 26 dny +7

    Anakin was groomed to choose the darkness. The moment he chose was when he went to Palpatines office when Windu told him not to.

  • @mycroft3322
    @mycroft3322 Před 26 dny +9

    Evil can create nothing, only pervert and destroy.

  • @onionhat745
    @onionhat745 Před 26 dny +10

    It really doesn't matter anymore. If Star Wars was a building it would be condemned. If Disney is intent on continuing to use Star Wars as an expensive ash tray, let them.

  • @withitstudios
    @withitstudios Před 26 dny +6

    Anakin killed children who trusted him. I think he knew that was a “bad thing.”

  • @JRGProjects
    @JRGProjects Před 26 dny +22

    Darth Plagueis in his novel took a more nuanced approach of Darth Bane's teachings, seeing the Dark Side as salvation from Jedi arrogance for the Galaxy. Palpatine his apprentice however, warped that concept into an evil manifesto that Vader embraced. The point is Anakin chose, not the Dark Side of Plagueis, but the philosophy of Palpatine. Both are entirely different.

    • @Fact-fiend_1000ASMR.
      @Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. Před 26 dny +4

      Plagueis saw the Force as a self regulatory system that compensated for too much dark or too much light by bringing into being, individuals strong in the opposite side to insure balance. Very interesting, to say the least. The Sith,by and large, were more philosophically diverse than the Jedi ever were.

    • @JRGProjects
      @JRGProjects Před 26 dny +1

      @@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. It goes with their individualist attitudes towards the Force, at least from the Bane perspective. They encouraged themselves and their students to think and act independently. While there was a chain of command, as a Sith Apprentice or Master you had a wide latitude when it came to your studies and thus each Sith is unique. Palpatine again broke that concept because each of his apprentices didn't have the latitude to "think" for themselves as the previous Sith did.

    • @Fact-fiend_1000ASMR.
      @Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. Před 26 dny +3

      @@JRGProjects That latitude did have its flaws, like with Darth Gravid. But this intimate knowledge of the Jedi teachings assisted them down the road. If only the Jedi weren't so scared of the Dark Side to prepare themselves against it.

    • @JRGProjects
      @JRGProjects Před 26 dny +2

      @@Fact-fiend_1000ASMR. The Sith could experiment and adapt. The Jedi don't so their Order stagnates till Luke takes the Bane concept of "learning" and applies it to the Jedi, hence why his Jedi could have family and children. At the end of the Revenge of the Sith novel, per Yoda, the Jedi being set in his ways undid them. Qui-Gon and Dooku were ahead of the curve, but Dooku took it way too far.

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny +2

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

  • @alouie001
    @alouie001 Před 26 dny +4

    At this point everyone walked away

  • @KathrynTestBot
    @KathrynTestBot Před 26 dny +22

    I do agree that villains don't see themselves as evil. They must rationalize that they are in the right, in some way, shape, or form.
    However...
    For this woman to say so unironically just proves she *is* evil to the rest of the world. Aside from that, she is either deranged, a moron, or both.
    Anakin? No matter his eventual outcome, he did it with the intention of saving his wife. He lost her and his sanity in the process. He did embrace the dark side believing he was in the right. But that's what makes him a tragic hero, rather than the guy who saves the day and lives happily ever after.

    • @mr.kilroy6818
      @mr.kilroy6818 Před 26 dny +1

      Yeah' The Sith Lord Ice Cream Joe Biden , feels the same way !!

    • @John-fk2ky
      @John-fk2ky Před 26 dny +2

      And post-Episode III, in most things with his pov Vader KNOWS he's a monster.

    • @DarksideGmss0513
      @DarksideGmss0513 Před 26 dny +2

      He didn't choose that though as he had doubts that's why he confided in Palpatine and Palpatine seized that opportunity to sway him towards the dark side.

    • @MrJacksspleen
      @MrJacksspleen Před 26 dny

      You talking about the guy who slaughtered women and children sandpeople like animals? That Anakin? Palps did that?

    • @e.l.norton
      @e.l.norton Před 26 dny +3

      I don't think he thought he was right. He simply didn't care anymore. When you've lost everything in life that mattered, what takes its place is rage. That rage is where his strength and power came from. The all-consuming rage and hate need a target, a release. When you no longer care or feel, it's easy to do what Vader did. He suffered? Why shouldn't others? He had the power to make the world pay, without feeling or remorse.

  • @echoesofmalachor3700
    @echoesofmalachor3700 Před 26 dny +9

    Have we forgotten the younglings Mr. Filoni?

    • @little_dandelion
      @little_dandelion Před 26 dny

      His circle sacrifices "chicken" in their backyards to bovine gods and crap. What's a few younglings when they eat "chicken" on holidays...

  • @spark300c
    @spark300c Před 26 dny +34

    Dave Filoni has turned to the dark side.

    • @reidmason2551
      @reidmason2551 Před 26 dny +9

      He was never the hero the fans wanted to claim he was.

    • @stephenmarshall8367
      @stephenmarshall8367 Před 26 dny

      He is just simping for his wife....the witch 🧹...

    • @kevinfisher5492
      @kevinfisher5492 Před 26 dny +7

      He was always on the dark side. Don't kid yourself.

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny +1

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny +1

      @@ThespianPrince13And that doesn’t make sense because Sidious himself was causing most of the chaos and confusion. He lies, cheats and corrupts to get what he wants. That’s as evil as it gets. And in the case of Anakin, he’s fully aware that he’s committing evil acts because he’s crying to himself afterward. And, really, how much of a moron do you have to be to not know that leading a massacre against your own people and killing a good chunk of them yourself, including some not older than 8 years old, is absolute pure evil?

  • @otysafiry
    @otysafiry Před 26 dny +6

    How does Anakin not know? "You don't know the power of the dark side" or....how about this "you were right about me"

  • @rodcurry6387
    @rodcurry6387 Před 26 dny +6

    This is of no surprise.... We all know that Filoni is a turncoat, a trader who himself has embrace and turned to the "Dark Side."

  • @originaldarkwater
    @originaldarkwater Před 26 dny +5

    I don't think Filoni doesn't KNOW how the Force works. After all, he's described it correctly so many times. I think this just proves what we've suspected all along: He's a company man and as soon as his boss tells him the Force is different, now, that's the tune he'll sing.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny +2

      Filoni is very fat and comfortable in his current job. Why would he do anything to rock the boat and potentially get fired?

  • @renandavidsoriaahumada6093

    What its Dave Smoking, that dude its soo high that almost crash landed on Jupiter

  • @Necron990
    @Necron990 Před 26 dny +7

    Yeah, Headland has the Weinstein file on him...

  • @kennymccormick9594
    @kennymccormick9594 Před 26 dny +6

    I only watched the first 7 minutes of the Acolyte and HO…LY…S*** it’s horrible. How do these people still collect paychecks??

  • @enterprisesoftwarearchitect

    “Only a master of EVIL, Darth,” - Obi-Wan Kenobi

    • @grxyparadox
      @grxyparadox Před 26 dny +1

      thats darth vader, not anakin. lorn tried makikg this point that all of the EU and novelizations repeatedly make is anakin *is* gone up until vader chooses to betray palpy. Anakin functionally ceases to exist in the eyes of most of the galaxy and his own perspective after the windu arrest scene. hes proclaimed darth vader from then on. Anakin, like Lorn said did believe he was up until after he was proclaimed vader was doing the right thing. internally he viewed himself as making tough calls that wre necessary for a greater republic/galaxy. its a split personality/compartmentalization thing that all of the even Pre Disney lore accentuates.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny +3

      @@grxyparadoxExcept for George Lucas himself who very plainly states that they’re the same person. Proven by the fact that VADER, not Anakin refers to Luke as his son. This split personality garbage is only perpetuated to reconcile Anakin’s absolutely evil act of leading the Jedi purge.

    • @grxyparadox
      @grxyparadox Před 26 dny

      @@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked its perpetuated by vader himself. he in his interal monologues in books refrrs to anakin as dead

  • @jacobcaster
    @jacobcaster Před 26 dny +4

    Anakin can only consider himself dead, and now Vader as a result of comprehending the evil of his actions. Accepting the identity of Vader is the reaction to viewing himself as evil. He can't reconcile his actions with his self image as Anakin. It's part of the trap of the Sith. It gives a false out to self justify their actions afterwards.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny

      But Anakin was never heroic in the first place. Him killing the tuskens was already proof that he had the capacity to be evil from day one.

  • @paulemge9156
    @paulemge9156 Před 26 dny +5

    I always thought Anikan pretty much admitted he was evil when killed the Sand People woman and children

  • @stephenmarshall8367
    @stephenmarshall8367 Před 26 dny +5

    How does a personal assistant have the experience to be a show runner... with such a huge budget....?

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny +1

      It’s her connection to Harvey Weinstein. Make up a complete victim story about how she was abused by him too and suddenly get a lucrative TV deal. Of course we know that deep down Kathleen Kennedy is just as evil as she is, otherwise why would she hire her? There is no ambiguity in that answer.

  • @jasonking4037
    @jasonking4037 Před 26 dny +4

    Filoni, you lost all of my respect. You can't get yourself to the high ground at this point!

  • @mathisntmybestsubject8440

    So, the rumor is true: he sold out Star Wars - the franchise, the fans, all of it - for the ability to make his subpar Ahsoka series. All it cost was turning the Force female and doing whatever KK wanted.

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny +1

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny

      @@ThespianPrince13Will you piss off? Jesus Christ. Go copy and paste that shit elsewhere.

  • @AUC.90s
    @AUC.90s Před 26 dny +5

    Filoni and his fanfic should left Star Wars.

  • @_Beenis
    @_Beenis Před 26 dny +5

    star wars without george lucas simply isn't star wars

  • @paulemge9156
    @paulemge9156 Před 26 dny +4

    Dave Filoni does have a lot of memorized lore, but I don’t think he really gets Star Wars. Also he did forget that Padme met Shmi in the Phantom Menace.
    I remember seeing an interview with Filoni and Favreau and it seemed like Favreau understood better

  • @sgtmajor5700
    @sgtmajor5700 Před 26 dny +11

    I thought Anakin destroyed Star Killer Base.

    • @davfree9732
      @davfree9732 Před 26 dny +2

      No, Anakin told the civil engineer to shut down the power to the containment unit in the fire house.

    • @normie2716
      @normie2716 Před 25 dny

      Anakin blew up a whole Death Star! 💅🏼

  • @kipolem53
    @kipolem53 Před 26 dny +4

    Disney is the company that told the world that at eight years old, Ariel could trust Ursula and somethow at sixteen, Ariel didnt even know who Ursula was and got lured into being a pawn in an evil plot.

  • @mcash232
    @mcash232 Před 26 dny +3

    The capacity people have to delude themselves into believing that the evil they commit is justified is astounding.
    Oh, wait, you thought I was talking about Vader?

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

  • @ForceMaximus84
    @ForceMaximus84 Před 26 dny +13

    It’s official: Dave Filloni is a corporate tool. He’ll do what he’s told.

  • @mr.x6313
    @mr.x6313 Před 26 dny +2

    Anakin never thought that he was the good guy: he just didn’t care. He started down the Dark Side to save Padme, but after he lost her, he was too deep in the dark and so had nowhere left to go but embrace his hatred and rage and take it out on anyone the Emperor points him towards.

  • @Snk13_ty
    @Snk13_ty Před 26 dny +3

    Also Darth Vader and Palpatine discriminated against alien species that were not human and slaughtered them. Basically committing genocide. Yea that's definitely not evil...

  • @thetr00per30
    @thetr00per30 Před 26 dny +4

    Filoni is a such a tool. What a disaster Star Wars is.

  • @michaelschroeck2254
    @michaelschroeck2254 Před 26 dny +2

    So to me Feloni and Headland are saying “ Hitler was just a misunderstood villain.”

  • @bdlarsen1225
    @bdlarsen1225 Před 26 dny +3

    They are actually trying to blurr the line between good and evil, hero and villain.

  • @believeintheheroic
    @believeintheheroic Před 26 dny +3

    Man remember when Star Wars didn’t suck? That was cool.

  • @eeman1335
    @eeman1335 Před 26 dny +10

    Why is Hollywood so without wisdom? Didn't Yoda say _"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to suffering."_ and of Anakin, Yoda says this... _"I sense much fear in you"_ And this is fundamentally how many fall into darkness even in our galaxy. The bible says _"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."_ -1 John 4:18

    • @GrillPiece63
      @GrillPiece63 Před 26 dny +1

      Amen!

    • @IndyDefense
      @IndyDefense Před 26 dny

      Because they deny Christ. And I'm not talking about just one group. There are several ideologies in Hollywood that do this.

    • @IndyDefense
      @IndyDefense Před 26 dny

      They reject Christ. And I don't just mean one group. There are several ideologies in Hollywood that coalesce in their hatred of the Messiah.

  • @Lavo68
    @Lavo68 Před 26 dny +3

    Filoni is a creepy little goblin. He embraced the dark side.

  • @user-zf4qv4mu3p
    @user-zf4qv4mu3p Před 26 dny +2

    Lorn laid out better story material in 30 seconds than Disney has done in years. That's sad for the brand.

  • @grega7323
    @grega7323 Před 26 dny +7

    Dave Filoni pulled a Jedi mind trick on everyone.

    • @kevinfisher5492
      @kevinfisher5492 Před 26 dny +3

      Not everyone. Saw through his crap right from the start. Got sick of arguing with Rebels fanboys.

    • @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked
      @ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked Před 26 dny +1

      @@kevinfisher5492Rebels actually attempts to respect the legacy characters. Ahsoka doesn’t.

    • @kirgan1000
      @kirgan1000 Před 26 dny

      It only work on the weak minded.

  • @dizzyizzylizzie
    @dizzyizzylizzie Před 26 dny +1

    I always appreciate Lorn's takes. It's usually a knowledgeable and balanced take on Star Wars.

  • @muigokublack6487
    @muigokublack6487 Před 26 dny +3

    UHHH YES HE DID!
    He went to the dark side because Palpatine tempted him with the idea that only the powers of the dark side could save Padme!
    It's a classic greek tragedy. He went to the dark side for noble reasons (wanting to save his wife) and ended up losing everything including the reason he went to the dark side in the first place!

  • @alexanderkruglov5199
    @alexanderkruglov5199 Před 26 dny +2

    I didn’t think that I would ever justify Disney’s tools, but it seems to me that these words have some meaning. After all, it’s stupid if a villain commits evil just to be “evil”, no - he must have motivation for this, the conviction that he is doing the right thing to achieve his goals, without considering it in the context of “good and evil” and not considering himself "evil in the flesh"

  • @kevinfisher5492
    @kevinfisher5492 Před 26 dny +5

    Filoni writes fan-fiction. I don't care what his worshippers think. His vision is not Star Wars in any way...space whales, grrrl power everywhere, thousands of surviving Jedi...this is fan fiction, has always been fan fiction, sorry "Rebels" fanboys. Filoni's crap enabled ALL of this. And given his wife, I'm not surprised he thinks Harvey Weinstein's enabler is "great."

  • @horatiocarrillo2176
    @horatiocarrillo2176 Před 26 dny +1

    Anakin Skywalker, Clone Wars, Episode 3:17 "Ghosts of Mortis" when shown a vision of what he will become screams "I will do such terrible things!". He clearly sees his future as evil and doesn't want that to happen. How has Filoni forgotten his own previous work?

  • @Deagle367
    @Deagle367 Před 26 dny +2

    ‘Star Wars: The Acolyte’ Will Change The Force Into Being A Female Entity

  • @scottpilgrim99
    @scottpilgrim99 Před 26 dny +4

    Fire Dave Filoni!

  • @Z-Man7
    @Z-Man7 Před 26 dny +1

    Anakin was groomed into being a murderer by Palpatine but it was already too late by the time Anakin realized he was tricked.
    For many years he resigned himself to be the Emperor's guard dog. That all changed when Vader learned that he had a son. He tried to convince Luke to help him destroy Palpatine.

  • @megaman37456
    @megaman37456 Před 26 dny +1

    I mean he didn't choose evil, it was forced onto him. He was put in a position where he believed that evil was the only path forward despite 100% NOT wanting to do it. The problem with the Dark Side path is that the Dark side corrupts the minds of those who utilize it and their goals become a blurred mess.

  • @silicone1234
    @silicone1234 Před 26 dny +1

    Actually if you look at in in the context of Episode 3 they have a valid point. In his mind do you really think Anakin thought what he was doing was evil? In his mind he did what he did in the hope of learning to use the force to protect/save Padme and his unborn child. He also did it to bring order to the chaos. Not the marks of evil. If you look at the events before and during order 66....those events led him to being, as Obi-wan put it, truly lost. So yes to the mind of Anakin he did not think he was becoming evil at first. I think he realized it AFTER being told that he killed Padme and (what he believed and the Emperor did not know) killed his unborn that he has now become a servant of the Dark Side .

  • @steriodesign
    @steriodesign Před 26 dny +1

    To be really, fair Anakin was brainwashed and Obi-wan told him Palpatine WAS evil and Anakin said that from his perspective the Jedi were evil. It's black on white in the movies that this is the way he perceived it

  • @FirstnameLastname-rc8yd
    @FirstnameLastname-rc8yd Před 26 dny +1

    I mean we for decades were committed to clearly ignoring the various relationships no matter how unlikely or gross between the alien species. The sex stuff isn’t the bad part. It’s the writing.

  • @animelytical8354
    @animelytical8354 Před 26 dny +1

    I think he's saying that Anakin thinks the dark side isn't evil. He knows it's the dark side but I think the incompetence and detachment are deemed "evil" by him in terms of the impact.
    That being said, the abdokutebterm "Never" ruins the concept of that. When you conceive a Death Star, there's nothing positive there. Crushing rebellion through fear of the Death Star is at best easier than waging war on multiple fronts, but it's definitely evil nor ever justified. Especially when they have had control for decades. That being said, "Anakin" was "dead".
    BTW Leslye is Harvey's Weinstein's "Acolyte".

  • @Braddec
    @Braddec Před 26 dny +1

    Anakin's biggest problem is his unwillingness to take responsibility for his own actions (it's always someone else's fault). I suspect it is the same with the showrunners, they've disassociated themselves with their actions..

  • @markusturunen7929
    @markusturunen7929 Před 24 dny

    "I see and feel no evil, black writings on the wall. Unleash a million faces and I take them one by one, Black-hearted evil, Brave hearted hero I'm all. I'm all, I'm all.." - All of me Shadow the Hedgehog. My personal moral compass has good and bad things in my consciousness. If I speak morality of myself it's too complex to understand, but I say it's morally grey at least. I have done many bad things in my life I regret them a lot but that doesn't make me innocent of those evil deeds I have done. But have I not learned from them and become a better person through the lessons of mistakes. Perhaps. My personal take on Anakin is that he's a chosen one, but he's made a grave mistake by following the dark side, he eventually learns from them and makes a sacrifice to save the Galaxy from evil.

  • @MrPingn
    @MrPingn Před 26 dny

    Great discussion all around.
    21:00 Well described. Before he woke up as Vader. He was a man trying to make the ends justify the means to save those he can. But he was well aware he crossed lines. After he woke up. There was no doubts
    The ability to choose good or evil is everything in the Star Wars universe. It's a part of why Luke in the sequel trilogy didn't work. The last we saw him. Luke was the kind of guy who was willing to gamble his life. To throw down his weapon and bet on the sliver of good he sensed in his father. That said father would sacrifice himself to save his son.
    The next time we see Luke. He's so afraid, after sensing a sliver of evil, that he tries to murder his sleeping nephew.
    Now a change in character like this can happen. But it has to be over time. And you need to show the seeds of change being planted. As well as it growing to eventually become the decision we saw. None of that happened.
    It was like night and day. From a guy who had faith in the good. To a bitter quitter and attempted murderer.

  • @paracyntrix
    @paracyntrix Před 26 dny +1

    Did the Emperor believe that he was evil? Wasn't he just working hard to bring peace to the galaxy?

  • @Princess_Feona
    @Princess_Feona Před 26 dny +3

    It’s frustrating having a thoughtful discussion about dialogue that was written with no thought at all, by a man child, with crayons.
    Sheeve: I know about the Sith
    Dumbakin: well there’s nothing weird about that to report to the Jedi. You are totally not sus.
    Sheeve: it was said he had the power over life and death.
    Stupidakin: I will just totally believe you. That checks out. I won’t require proof because I know how honest Sith lords are and I took the Jedi class Gullibility101.
    Sheeve: oh by the way I never gain the knowledge, but we will find it together as master and apprentice.
    Idiotakin: well I just slaughtered a room full of children because you told me you could do it but that’s OK I’m not mad. No chance you intentionally lied and manipulated me because I know how honorable and honest Sith lords are.

    • @2012sonora
      @2012sonora Před 26 dny +2

      Underrated comment of the century. The prequels honey really work if you ignore most of the dialog and plot points and look at the major themes GL was trying to hit. The man is honestly not a good writer.

    • @kirgan1000
      @kirgan1000 Před 26 dny

      Imagine you are a white wizard, and you know there was a wizard war agents the black wizard thousands of years ago. The white wizard order, treat you like shit, and try to hold you back (according to yourself)
      A person who treat you with the respect you deserve, revel himself to be a black wizard, and say he can lean you black spells that can save your wife, but the white wizard order do not approve of that type of spells, and you remember how unfair the order is that holding you back.
      Later a grope of white wizards, declare that the black wizard is "to dangerous to live" and straight up planing to murder him, and you react.
      As you see, Anakin's actions was rational and logic up to that point. But I agree the fall to be willing to kill children come to fast.

    • @Princess_Feona
      @Princess_Feona Před 25 dny

      @@kirgan1000 Since you already murdered a bunch of women and children 10 years previously, not a stretch. But your summary was written with more alacrity and deftness than the prequels.
      My big question is why was he not taught the patience, serenity and self-assessment to allow him to understand he wasn’t being held back, that he wasn’t ready for the power. It would have made much more sense if he had started in his mid to late teens. That not only would have been much more plausible but would have spared us Toddler Vader.

  • @karolclark791
    @karolclark791 Před 26 dny +1

    Dave Filoni only has one trick up his sleeve, nostalgia.
    Which is why Anakin was mentioned every 5mins in the Ahsoka series and why he'll probably have an even bigger role in season 2.
    Filoni knows that as long as there's enough nostalgia then fans will eat up what ever garbage he made.
    Anakin Vader'd and suddenly it's the best star wars since George Lucas

  • @yesnickcarter
    @yesnickcarter Před 26 dny +1

    i appreciate the discussion about Darth Vader not thinking he is evil. it is a well understood rule when writing interesting bad characters. don’t just have them be evil. they have to think they are doing the only thing they can do. even hitler thought he was doing the best he could with the information he had at the time.
    clearly at the end of return of the jedi, Vader is redeemed. and he thanks Luke for saving him. so i will give feloni a pass for this statement. for the purposes of writing every scene vader was in, except for his death scene, they should be written as if he believes he tried his best and was willing to make the difficult choices that needed to be done.

  • @14bface
    @14bface Před 26 dny +1

    Lorne made some good points. Also I think the quote from filoni was “anakin didn’t know he would become evil”. Which is a lot different than knowing he is evil once he committed terrible actions. And realizing he is evil probably took a long time. I doubt he ever thought he would kill so many when he first started training. Filoni has his strengths and weaknesses but here he isn’t necessarily wrong. And headland is still the worst.

    • @KathrynTestBot
      @KathrynTestBot Před 26 dny +1

      Gonna say, I don't think Anakin truly realized he was in the wrong until he realized his kids were still alive. That was the loose thread that eventually unraveled his self-made worldview. And he fought with himself over that loose thread until the very end. (Which is why he was conflicted about turning Luke in.)
      So what happened in the end? He had all the dark side power in the world, but with his own hand he tossed Palpatine over the balcony to save Luke. He didn't use the force then. He didn't need to. He only needed to know his kid was going to die if he didn't take action, and that was enough.

    • @ThespianPrince13
      @ThespianPrince13 Před 26 dny +2

      George Lucas Says (via the Revenge of the Sith commentary track): “One of the issues in all of this is the bad guys think they’re good, and Lord Sidious thinks he’s bringing peace to the galaxy because there’s so much corruption, confusion, and chaos going on. And that now he’s going to be able to straighten everything out. Which may be true. But the price that the galaxy is going to have to pay for it is way too much.”

  • @kipolem53
    @kipolem53 Před 26 dny +1

    Someone who 100 percent believes himself to not be evil while being the villain, is King John in Disneys Robin Hood. OH that would be pretty expensive a live action remake too, you not only have to CGI everyone into bipedal animals but do a few other things to make it look right. Oh and the backgrounds will all be greenscreens, that will cost Disney so much money.

    • @reidmason2551
      @reidmason2551 Před 26 dny +1

      There's not much difference between Disney's Prince John and the live-action version played by Claude Rains in the Errol Flynn version of the story. Both interpretations of Prince John are power-hungry, soulless, entitled, and eager to spill innocent blood when it benefits them...and also too cowardly to get their own hands dirty when the fighting breaks out. Disney's John is a little more comical, being a cartoon lion, but otherwise he's in keeping with previous takes on the character.

  • @rubyhoove9
    @rubyhoove9 Před 26 dny +6

    Nice panel. 😸

  • @mrlij6534
    @mrlij6534 Před 26 dny +1

    they need to stop changing or remixing what Lucas already clearly defined, thats just disrespectful to him

  • @NuttySquirrel_8
    @NuttySquirrel_8 Před 26 dny

    This is why I'm so livid at George Lucas. His support of the current Disney board is unforgivable, and he knows it.

  • @MonstersOfTheUniverse
    @MonstersOfTheUniverse Před 26 dny

    Anakin said it himself
    He thinks the Jedi are evil-- He thought the Jedi are evil
    Based on what they were doing to him and the republic.

  • @fredmorpheus6890
    @fredmorpheus6890 Před 20 dny

    I want to talk about another character of Disney Star Wars franchise, Luthen Rael in Andor. When he explains to the taupe (mole ? sorry, english is not my birth langage) that he placed within the BSI of the Empire that he sacrificed to his soul in order to be able to use the same methods and the same weapons as his enemy to defeat him, he explains That he knows perfectly well that he acts badly, that he makes cruel and unfair decisions which will lead to the death of innocent or people of his own camps for calculating reasons, exactly as the imperials do. He is perfectly aware that what he does is bad, but he knows that he has no other choice if he wants to have a little chance of seeing his goal which is to overthrow the Empire.
    This is a so much smarter, so much more true and authentic approach, of the relationship between good and evil, of the ethical problem that this fight against evil power such as the Empire. And that's why I like this series, Andor, when I hate The Acolyte. Both were produced by Disney, and on the one hand, we have a (very) good series, on the other an unnamed shit.

  • @superfuss1984
    @superfuss1984 Před 25 dny

    " I cant watch that, Dave! " HAL 9000....🤷‍♀️🙄

  • @alexosborne1613
    @alexosborne1613 Před 23 dny

    Line from revenge of the Sith...
    "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil" - Anakin Skywalker aka Vader.
    All villains see themselves as the hero in their own story. Dave is right.

  • @shanetempleton7101
    @shanetempleton7101 Před 7 dny

    The fire at the end of the video, just speaking the truth. I felt that one

  • @RazzaldG
    @RazzaldG Před 22 dny

    Evil ALWAYS knows it is evil.. It may have clouded the issue with justifications, but below the lies it knows..

  • @RealityCheck6969
    @RealityCheck6969 Před 26 dny

    All I have to do is to look at the faces of these people to know the quality of their products.

  • @xenon132
    @xenon132 Před 26 dny

    The reason the concept good and evil is muddled is too many people (such as the current crop at Disney), think the truth is relative. Such as the phase "Your Truth."

  • @CanadianPale
    @CanadianPale Před 24 dny

    Ron Bradley is somewhat mistaken about the confrontation in the Chancellor's office. According to George Lucas himself, Mace Windu was acting wrongly in attempting to kill Palpatine (Anakin tries to remind him of this, noting that Palpatine should be put on trial, not summarily executed) and Anakin acted rightly in preventing Mace from murdering Palpatine, albeit for selfish reasons. The thing about the whole confrontation is that, like just about everything else in the Prequels, it was engineered by Palpatine to enable his rise to power, in this case giving him grounds to enact Order 66 and liquidate the Jedi Order for having attempted to overthrow the legitimate head of state in a violent coup.

  • @joshuaking4893
    @joshuaking4893 Před 25 dny

    Great video! 📸 Yeah these people are absolute monsters😢

  • @axebox
    @axebox Před 26 dny +2

    This is not the right person to tackle this subject matter.

  • @Shifft-This
    @Shifft-This Před 26 dny

    4:49 I think the main point both Filoni and Headland are missing about this whole tale is that sometimes people do evil things for what they believe is the right reasons. There is literally a meme of the scene where Anakin lets Padme know that he thinks the current system in the galaxy is flawed. He then joins the emperor later in life to right this "wrong" system. Of course the main driving point in the film is Anakin being seduced by the dark side to believing he could save Padme from dying but that's probably not a discussion they would want to have either.

  • @yesnickcarter
    @yesnickcarter Před 26 dny

    i agree. this is the best discussion i have heard on this channel.

  • @mikect500
    @mikect500 Před 26 dny +2

    Didn't she tee up women for her evil employer?

  • @mattimusprimal637
    @mattimusprimal637 Před 26 dny +1

    Lorn Conner is a Dave Filoni & Disney Star Wars “canon” apologist!🤦‍♂️

  • @darthrevan1281
    @darthrevan1281 Před 26 dny

    "All hat and no cattle" strikes again!

  • @FariyTalePurityAnalyser
    @FariyTalePurityAnalyser Před 26 dny +1

    After "The Return Of The Jedi" there was no more Star Wars for twenty years because Western culture was too busy with originality.

  • @Primer292
    @Primer292 Před 26 dny

    The emperor Weinstein conversation felt so bang on

  • @mcgilj1
    @mcgilj1 Před 26 dny +2

    I think he's an idiot but ..I don't think Anakin thought he was evil. But.. That's the thing. The villain always sees themselves as the heroes of their own story. He knew he was betraying the Jedi. But he never thought he was evil. Hell. He was so delusional he thought he could over throw Palpatine and rule the Galaxy with Padme. So I don't see that as an erroneous statement. Anakin never THOUGHT he was evil. Not that he objectively wasn't.

  • @mkhud50n
    @mkhud50n Před 26 dny

    "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" - Darth Vader

  • @doxiemomma8207
    @doxiemomma8207 Před 26 dny +1

    I have to say this: does it really matter if he knew he was evil or not? Would that have excused his deeds?

  • @raptros
    @raptros Před 26 dny

    Not only did the guy choose darkness he blew the Death Star that he built.

  • @larrymansfield9393
    @larrymansfield9393 Před 26 dny

    The fact that LH is still accepted in hollyweird tells me that if activist want a certain role, their gonna have to sit on a certain couch.

  • @bondgabebond4907
    @bondgabebond4907 Před 26 dny

    Explaining Leslie as she hides from her evil past with Harvey Weinstein. Perfect and now it is totally clear what Leslie Goodhead is all about. I would love to read a story about all the women she destroyed by offering them to Harvey. Disney is not family friendly anymore.

  • @angrytoybox2033
    @angrytoybox2033 Před 26 dny +1

    Star Wars is completely screwed. Sure you can separate stuff in your mind. But you can’t support it in anyway because that money helps pay the people ruining it

  • @killuafanboy3812
    @killuafanboy3812 Před 26 dny +1

    The only Star Wars I care about now are theories basically