Should I Buy a Windows PC or Mac in 2024?
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I love that you put the consumer first in your reviews. A lot of tech youtubers forget how their audience actually uses laptops. Yes, there are good laptops for heavy gaming or content creation, but 80% of people are just googling things and watching Netflix.
A good laptop has to cover the basics first, then add the fancy stuff for specialised use.
Keep up the good work Josh!
Thanks mate!
I guess that's the difference between closed vs closed/open platform (customizable to personal lvl)
Spot on, all the Apple fanboys claiming that a macbook can render videos 5 seconds faster and can do calculation 3% faster. For an overall coverage of usage an Apple product is nowhere near a windows laptop in terms of browsing, media and gaming.
Only gays use MacBooks.
256GB non-upgradable, soldered storage is just pure evil.
get external ssd?
not an issue since all my documents are in the cloud, if you’re a creator then storage is an issue but for a very very bug majority its not an issue
I can go with just 120GB because i only use mine for docs, web and sometimes movie. Im more concerned with the none upgradable ram for some laptops.
@@Tech-gv6qkso I guess you only use a 300 dollars laptop?
@@jaimepabon9983 probably doesn't realize his activities can be done on chrome books
Josh, you made your mother proud, I think this was a very fair and accurate comparison. We're a dual platform household with my wife using Windows machines exclusively (desktop and laptop) while I use both a Mac desktop and laptop, and a Windows PC for those mission critical applications that Apple either can't adequately duplicate or simply cost too much to change.
I think it's interesting that HP laptops were the example of poor design/quality choices because I stopped using their products several years ago for those reasons, around the time HP acquired Compaq.
I like your decision making process. A lot of people find it quite difficult to switch from the ecosystem they are familiar with but if you are able to get past that the logic you present here is pretty spot on.
You nailed the discussion here Josh. I agree with you on all your points. I have a PC desktop for gaming/personal stuff and a Mac laptop for work. The new Framework gaming laptop is very interesting though. I could see myself replacing my desktop with that in the future!
Your videos are simple, clear, straight to the point. In addition, the amount of thougt and effort you put into creating this quality content is really helpful. People, take a moment to appreciate this man's hard work and good energy. Thank you Josh
Your channel is awesome bro! Such detailed explanation, extensive research, and paying attention to what the people really want and need. Keep up the good work bro!
Thank you so much. It's comments like yours that make me do what I do. In fact all of us here
Josh, this is probably the best and most practical and balanced comparison of Macs and PCs I have seen. My daughter is a gamer and a devout PC user. I'm a Mac user. You essentially articulated why each of us has chosen the right platform for our needs. Great job!
I'm an engineering student, if you came to my university you would change your mind about how rare people using convertible laptops as tablets are. I'm not saying we are more than ipad users, but it's VERY easy to find someone like me who like to have one single device to take notes at lessons and do some programming, or cad, or even video editing (take an Asus flow x13 or x16 for example, it can do everything I need with ease).
I'm looking forward to see the new surface laptop studio 2, as it has the best form factor for what I do, and packs a lot of performance in a very reasonable size
I have to agree with this I think it's a lot more common now to see 2 and 1. The laptops I saw the most where macbooks and some form of 2 and 1. More common at schools.
Same here. I use a touchscreen with pen input while studying physics. Being able to type an assignment, & use a pen to draw sketches & equations all one a single device is so much better than switching between multiple devices. Then being able to take a break & do some gaming is a huge bonus. I like being able to get everything done on a single device.
I went with a Yoga for the tablet option, what a joy to use.
Ever since I switched to Surface Pro devices, all the traditional clamshell laptops without pen & touch seem like antiques from a bygone era.
@@JohnSmith-gb8hd Until you try to use the Surface Pro as a LAPtop ;) I went for the ipad + proper laptop route
1% already has an answer: LINUX! 🤓
P.S.: first 😎
King has spoken
How is Linux on laptops? Do laptops last longer on battery on windows? I'm curious, since I'm running Nobara OS on my pc too
@@MangoReader it really depends. Some laptops are great and can even last longer than in Windows.
@@MangoReader it's very good. My old laptop with a trash celeron can't handle windows 10 at full speed at all, and original features, like the touchscreen won't work at all. After I installed linux mint, it feels like i bought it new (no lag, better battery, all functions restored (cuz correct drivers)).
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Great guidance! Thanks
I stumbled upon your video while searching for information on my old Dell XPS 9530 and I must say, it was a pleasant surprise to see straightforward and honest reviews on laptops now these days. Your review was insightful and informative, and I appreciate the effort you put into providing a detailed overview of the product. However, I think it makes a lot more sense to hold onto old laptops as long as possible and upgrade them (if they can be upgraded) as needed. As someone who is still using an XPS 9530 after almost 10 years, I can attest to the fact that these machines can still perform well for everyday tasks such as office work and even some CAD and engineering work.
I am using the same laptop (the original 1080p model) , and reading this helps me feel better about holding out on an upgrade 😂
I sent my laptop in for a battery replacement battery thru Dell a year ago, which was too much at around $350 (expired warranty and w shipping ), but still better than buying a new laptop. I can second upgrading your current laptop however you can
Whether you run PC or Mac can depend on the available application ecosystem for each platform. If you are just using a PC for email, general office and browsing, you can go either way. If you need something more workstation for a specific application/use case, your options may be more limited.
Indeed. I use for example Power BI Desktop to create stuff for my customers. That eliminates Macs from the picture. I ended up with Lenovo Legion Pro with 32GB RAM and 3TB storage. I especially like the screen on it as I can see quite much of data model structure at once etc.
I’m confused by this stance, if you buy a Mac, you can get Windows on it via Parallels for instance, so you have access to all Windows eco system. Which you can’t do if you own a windows device. Surely it’s a no brainer to get a Mac so you have IOS with the benefit of getting windows as well?
@@rw3078 a few points: 1) virtualized OS is not as good as native, 2) virtualized OS cannot run all software, 3) native OS that is not useful for me is not a benefit, but a negative.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 fair comment, and again it comes back to what software the user actually needs. Agree, virtualised OS isn’t as good as natural, but there have been big steps where it’s fairly seem less now.
@@rw3078 indeed. For many the software (or hardware combos) available on Mac are optimal and for other use cases Windows or Linux machines are the ways to go. Thus there are no nobrainers on this space.
Really informative. Many thanks 😊
Hello Josh fantastic much needed content on a very debatable topic. Thanks for clarifying.
Asus is doing very great in heat management. Cause they have put rtx 4090 in zephyrus series that too i think on150 watt
I agree with you that the Macbooks offer a great experience for people who are okay with spending in that budget range. I have been a Windows user all my life (usually buying the big bulky gaming laptops) and I switched to the 13" M1 MBP about 2 years ago. I am really happy with the device, cause it nails the basic aspects of a laptop so well - screen, performance, battery, design and inputs.
However, I do miss gaming on my laptop, the ability to install Linux and the port selection on this particular laptop is absolutely horrendous (2 USB-C ports close together is a massive fail on Apple's part). I am pretty agnostic about the OS itself, since other than gaming, it's totally fine and has it's pros and cons over Windows. In the end, it's all about what you want and (more importantly) the compromises you are willing to make.
There’s also a thing called Asahi Linux that allows you to fully install Linux on a Mac, Boot Camp-style with full support for most drivers and ports.
I should mention everything I just said applies to Apple Silicon only, Intel Macs obviously can just use Boot Camp and become essentially x64 Windows/Linux laptops.
@@trey_a_12 the best advice to any linux enthusiast falling for the casual user category is to just buy a macbook with upgraded ram and storage and then once asahi becomes production ready install and use any linux distro of choice with the kernel version that has everything in asahi upstreamed.
Got M2 Air and I'm not very happy with it. Ok the batterylife is really good. But build quality is seriously lacking. I though Macs have excellent keyboards, well apparently they don't feel is actually really mediocre and absolutely horrible compared to ie. old T-series IBM's. Speakers are though very good compared to most PC laptops. Display is good, but huge BUT. I've began to notice screen getting microscratches from keyboard, even though I never carry it in bag. Only display closed and very miniscule, but even more annoying scraches. Took me weeks to figure that those marks indeed match with keyboard. I sure as heck wasn't expecting this poor design. If I could I'd now buy some new Ryzen laptop in a heartbeat. It very much looks like this is my first and last macbook. Also the 8gigs RAM is really poor. I was fooled by many CZcamsrs recommending base models, but man the amount is way too low. Few measly programs open and it hits swap. Like F360 and Chrome opened and that's it.
@@trey_a_12asahi linux isnt ready normie
@@nethshansiriwardena508or you know. Dont buy any macshit.
You absolutely nailed it. After years of constantly trying to force myself into PCs, I’ve come to realize that MacBook is all I need. I’m 99% doing office work, browsing, and consuming content. The only PC that comes close is the Surface. Macs are so simply to use and I can’t even remember the last time I turned off my computer.
Aren't macs also pc's? Doesn't pc mean personal computer or am I wrong
@@josh9159generally yes but it seems like pc in the US is for windows.
Neat, my experience with a mac is terrible. have to shut down constantly other wise the damn thing would freeze.
it occurs on my business 2019 core i7 gen 10th macbook pro (16gb, ram), and an M1 macbook air (8gb ram)
HiJosh,
I'm finding your videos very interesting. My laptop IQ has gone up 300% in the last couple of hours. I'm an artist who creates online classes for K through 12 students. I've been using my iPhone to do the classes but I want to upgrade to a laptop because it seems like it would be easier and I was thinking about getting a M2 MacBook Pro 14 in with 16 gigs of RAM and a 1 TB hard drive and would pay about $2,400 with the teacher discount. However, I keep hearing about the M3. Is it worth waiting a few months for the M3 or should I just get it now?
I'm confused on choosing between Mac book and Windows laptop for machine learning, data science use. I'm not sure whether machine learning libraries would work on apple silicon chips. I would appreciate any clarification on this.Thanks.
Thanks for the video. I found it helpful. I'm currently having issues with my older Windows laptop and am ready to buy another device which will hopefully last me another 5 or so years. I think I fall into the last category you mentioned in that I have the money to buy whatever I want and as I've gotten older I really only use my PC for surfing the web, reddit, CZcams emails etc... I game on consoles so I have no interest in my laptops gaming ability. It looks more and more like I would see a pretty noticeable difference in the day to day tasks I do if I went MacOS. As a life long Windows user I find that a little overwhelming. These devices are not cheap these days and I sure don't want to buy a Mac only to be disappointed. The one big thing I think I'd miss on MacOS is the ability to snap my windows to each side. I really like having CZcams or other video playing on one side of the screen while surfing the web or reading reddit on the other. It's such a smooth feature that I know is missing on MacOS. I really wish Apple would get a better window management system. It's really surprising that they have not addressed this after all these years. Anyway, thanks again.
Good advice overall. Maybe the availability of high quality free software should also count as a plus for PC.
Exactly..this is a big deal specially for students
Can you enlighten me with a few examples.
@@shubhayughosh4016 Microsoft Excel advance features work with PCs, not Macbooks. This is huge for professional analysts roles. I was a former health insurance underwriter and I cannot imagine not using those advance features. Macros, Pivot table, Vlookup, ...etc.
@@akin242002 Ohh interesting. I have barely ever used Excel but always heard that if you wanna use Excel just get windows, but i never quite unedrstood why. Thanks :>
Still, the parent comment talks about HQ free software..and i would wager macOS has lots of free knick knacs if you search online enough (like small menu bar tools)
@@PaulPlay bro i want to buy a computer laptop because i intend to dive in programing and cibersecurity what's your recommendation?
superb review, spot on.
I was using the MI air 2 laptop before I switched to the 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch. I don't mean that the MI one wasn't good but I chose Apple because of the productivity it offers and also the sleek appearance it owns. Although my current Macbook is equipped with the M1 chip it doesn't make any capricious difference with the M2 chips.
I’m fortunate enough to own these two specific models. I had my MacBook Pro before owning the Asus Zephyrus. I’m really happy with my MacBook Pro for productivity (analyzing data, making reports, programming, etc.). However, at some point of my life, I did not realize that I would need another operating system for specific Softwares during my engineering studies, so I had to get the Asus. Both computers are very powerful and do the job they are intended to very well. Both have pros and cons against each other, but I think the question on whether to get a MacBook or a PC should be based on the user’s needs and main purpose for it. Main point is, define what your needs are and then get the most appropriate computer for those needs.
Do you know if Macbooks have dished key caps, similar to Lenovo's high end laptops? I've never even seen a Mac in real life, and live far from an apple store.
Josh I really appreciate how you focus on the basics and help people like me get past the analysis paralysis rabbit hole that is laptop shopping. I need a portable machine to compile and run an Unreal game in active development while away from the office on a business trip, but I also want that same machine to be lightweight and comfortable to use on a plane or from a cafe for writing code and docs and emails for hours. Once I make up my mind I'll use your affiliate link and make your mom proud.
Which laptop did you opt for, im looking for laptop with similar use.
Cool to see you're testing the speakers with our gig ;) - thanks for great video!
Thanks for dropping by. We only use the best here ;) btw something random.... about 18 years ago, I opened for you guys in a nghtclub in Sydney, Australia
I love how you explain both sides. As much as I love apple, going to college and using a mac is not ideal. there are loopholes we have to take when using programs that work better or were built for pc’s. I am switching from a macbook, as a photographer and going to school, to a pc of some sort. But I want something that competes with apple. I have had my apple macbook pro 2020, for about 2 years now, and I can not do all the schoolwork that I need to, and that can be frustrating. I enjoyed the video!
what is the cost of the high end i9 windows laptops that are used for gaming, that crushed the M2 Max Pro performance on multi core?
Excellent, detailed and thoughtful video! There may be certain advantages to the Macs from a usability perspective, but a huge disadvantage is Apple's decision to restrict the upgrade and repair of their devices by end-users, and especially with 3rd party repair. This means cost-prohibitive repairs which result in devices becoming e-waste sooner, and driving up the total cost of ownership in the long run. For me personally, "getting the basics right" would also include laptops where the RAM and SSD aren't soldered to the motherboard and can be easily upgraded or swapped out if defective, as well as ones that make parts available so that you're not replacing an entire system board if a port goes bad.
That explains why i chose to be with PCs. Apple ecosystem are arbitrary expensive and uncalled for especially where technology advancement in production of RAM and SSD sticks are concerned. SSDs and RAM production cost has gone down over the years. In Apple Eco system the abilty to upgrade these is impossible, the ability to install other programs(None Apple) is also impossible, the folks at Apple are mean to the fact that getting additional thurnderbolt 4 slots or USB-type A on a device (which should be made standard for backward compactibility) requires one to spend extra bucks on a dongle where already they have broken the bank to get that Mac, it's insane and yet in PC ecosystem we're spoilt for choice without breaking an arm.
The problem is, Dell has started to ape Macbooks in some ways, especially by soldering the RAM to the motherboard in their 2024 XPS lineup.
Great video.
Nice one. Food for thought.
Thanks for another great video, Josh! I'd really like to see a Linux laptop comparison on your channel some time. Tuxedo, System76, Slimbook, Purism, Juno, HP, Lenovo, Dell might be some contenders.
I prefer a macbook for daily use. The portability and build quality is unmatched in my opinion. The one thing I absolutely hate about Windows and Linux laptops is power draw when unplugged. But I prefer having a Linux PC as a desktop computer.
I went from a Macbook Pro to a PC laptop, and am now considering returning to Mac. My Dell Inspiron 13 7000 ran alarmingly hot from day 1 and the fan noise is super annoying. The other thing I didn't expect was the very poor sound quality of the Dell speakers. My phone provides 3 to 4 times the volume. It makes watching a movie very frustrating on the Dell. I completely agree with what you said about the importance of getting the basics right. It's essential! However, how much RAM do I need? My previous Macbook Pro froze up with 8G during an Apple operating system update (those updates seem to occur way too often). But then there's the service that Apple provides... I can't decide! It's giving me a migraine!
I'm mixed, I really want to switch over to Mac for school and work but I've been a life-time Windows gamer playing low-end games. I just hope I'm able to play basics like Minecraft or TBOI smoothly for example.
99% of people who use MacBooks who say they are creative…only surf the web and check email using the browser and don’t even know how to setup iMessage. They just use their phone. They have 200 junk files littered in their desktop and do t even know how to adjust view setting for the files to snap to the grid.
Josh, I think you forgot one little thing - OS.
I mean, I've used mac for a year, but I could not accept OS and finally I've bought Thinkpad (yeah, it runs Linux now, but I'm ok about windows) and thanks god I've not spent my own money on mac as it was given by employer.
7:18 I regularly use my convertible laptop as a tablet. First, as regular laptop mode for whenever I'm out and about. Second, as tablet mode when at home on my desk connected to my ultrawide. The tablet is on an arm and acts as a second monitor, tucking away the keyboard.
You're the best as always
You should also mention one crucial downfall of M series Macs: if any of your soldered components in your Mac fails when you're out of warranty you're pretty much screwed as they can't be repaired or replaced. This is also valid for some Windows PCs too with soldered RAM.
With the exception of the Dell XPS 13 9315, the storage is at least removable, so if the SSD fails, it's a job that doesn't require an entire (and expensive) motherboard replacement.
That's exactly why I don't buy Macs and I'm going with the Framework Laptop 16 when it comes out for preorder.
Soldered RAM is an automatic no no when buying laptops. Unfortunately the manufacturers get away with this stupid trend.
Whennwas the last time you saw somehing like that to happen?
Let me know how many 5+ year old PC laptops you see out in the wild compared to how many 5+ year old Mac laptops are still in use
@@allknightlong84 Given the high cost nature of Macs, the abundance of budget options on Windows, & the wide ratio of Windows devices to Macs, i'd say it's a little daft to draw a simplistic comparison like that. Also, my 16 year old Sony Vaio is still going strong, & i've seen older laptops out there too.
Software/OS reliability is a key too, small reference case yes, but varied brand/component PC's here at work are more reliable in this regards vs the Macs in work environment here. The Mac's can't run any hardware machines either, so service more basic needs too, which is a good thing as that would cost money in errors and productivity. OS basic software stability is a basic I feel.
I have an old macbook pro and hp x360, needed to upgrade and went straight for HP Envy with i5 12th gen, 16 gig ram, 500 gb ssd with rtx 2050, face login with ir camera, sleek metal body, Oled, comes with tilt pen with same price as macbook air m2 after sale discounts, so much better value and great experience!
I have been looking to replace my HP AMD R9-9420 laptop for about 12months, but I am unimpressed. I have ruled out a MacBook due to upgrade ability, also been looking at Works laptop which I love the idea of but so expensive. I have upgraded my HP laptop from 4GB to 16GB of RAM and the HDD to SSD, this has speeded it up but it struggles to play 1080p - 4K videos. I also built a gaming PC with a AMD RYZEN 7700X CPU & a RX6750XT GPU which I think has spoilt me, but I want a laptop for ease of use because using an iPad for EXCEL is not a great experience. Great video. 👍🏻👍🏻
Josh is the laptop reviewer we all need. Great work.
Also, that Zenbook 14 you featured at 6:58 - INCREDIBLE laptop. It has no right to be as good as it is, especially if you get it on sale. I own one myself.
The main reason why our household moved to an all-Mac / Apple ecosystem is that I became tired of being the family's IT support. Unfortunately, non-tech savvy users struggle with usability and tech issues way too often with Windows. Since we have switched, the number of events I have had to deal with has probably reduced by 90%. The Mac also can have a lower cost of ownership if you consider built-in, open-source, and free-to-use software. Also, when you add IOS software compatibility this expands the apps that can be used on the Mac. I do agree that Gaming and maybe some specialized technical uses are way better served by the Windows ecosystem, but everything else can work well with MacOS.
That is my experience. I could not get a new router to setup with my W8 machine, way back when. Frustrated by Windows for a while, I went to the shop and bought a Mac. The router was setup within minutes and I have not looked back since. I am a simple person with basic requirements and macs have been better for me since then. I do dabble with Windows and admit W11 is much better than the dark days of W8/early W10.
You arent simple if you know what W8/W11 even is
I agree with you, but not at all.
The problem with Macbook is unrepairability. So if you are the IT at home, forget about replacing almost anything on a Macbook.
Meanwhile, Framework is totally the opposite: a modular computer that allows you to repair any component or just upgrade it for a better one. But they need to grow up and release Framework16. It would be great to have better prices too, because at the moment its so expensive.
And about software you can install any OS on a Windows laptop (not sure if its still possible to install Mac OS on a x86 laptop), meanwhile in the new ARM Macbooks you just can emulate OS at the moment, but it seems to work pretty well. I dont agree with Apple's policy about not allowing the user to install other OS. If I bought it, its mine and I should do whatever with it. They should get a penalty about this.
Enjoy paying overpriced storage on icloud instead of upgrading SSD on a windows machine
Lower cost of ownership? Apple's high entry cost ensures this won't be the case, lol. I like Apple for their battery life on their laptops, but it's insanely expensive.
I have been using Windows for ages, but now it is hard for me to choose a PC that is durable (I broke my SSD before). Therefore, I wonder if you could recommend a PC that is durable and not hot. People say the gaming computer is a good option, but from what brand. Thank you.
I use a 106$ lenovo thinkpad E470 to keep track of things on the go, love it❤
I'm very surprise finding no one refering to the different keyboard layout between Mac and PC. As Josh says, a basic experience of typing on a laptop should always be a consideration, and having the habit of a certain layout can be a real deal whenever you'll have to consider bying a laptop from those two categories. It's actually something that hold me back (at list a bit) from buying a Macbook Air, even though I really think I'd love the benefits of that laptop overall. I have the skill to be able to type without watching my keyboard, and I'm very afraid to loose that skill over a new Mac layout.
Hi, i was thinking similar but I needed more time in charge so i forced to choose Mac anyways. I am computer engineer and My first consideration object was typing like PC as a 7 years user.
When i tried to use Mac keyboard, trackpad and MacOS system, It was like from Another world. I said that i had never use Keyboard and trackpad, especially trackpad, I really suggest this Apple Macbook keyboard and so on. I am using this for 2 years and i promised me that will never use other brand's keyboards anymore.
@@Emre_Bey67 Wait, what? You're actually saying Mabooks have excellent keyboards?? I got myself M2 Air and I've almost never been so disappointed about keyboard feel. It's really, really average. Trackpad is ok, but is way worse for ergonomics than ie. trackpoint imo. Also built quality sucks overall as keyboard is actually rubbing the display when it's closed and has began to show annoying microscratches on multiple areas, even though I don't even carry the device in bags etc.
I can touch type since 1973 typing class in high school. I've been a Windows desktop user since 1999 with Windows 98. I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air to go with my iPhone 13 Pro, taking me 3 years to pay it off. I love the keyboard on the Air, my fingers glide over the keys really fast. You shouldn't have any problems using it, and much better than my desktop keypad.
Really, really, clear and hugely useful informed and informative exposition. Above all, concise and to the point without the usual garble of technical numbers, data and performance statistics which mean little of nothing to of us that actually need advice rather than endorsing preconceived ideas. Many thanks, Josh. From a truly confused place, I had made up my mind which to buy by the end of the video. 👍😃
Thanks Anthony. Your comment means alot. It's a delicate balance to communicate in a way that is easy to follow but also at times has the necessary data as evidence of what I'm saying
Just noticed James Grant and Jody Wistenoff on set, on b-roll, good music taste Josh 🤩
I am a student at industrial design and I use a Mac. From my experience I can say that a Mac laptop comes with more quality of life benefits but there are a lot of apps, especially in engineering that are windows only so I would personally add the price of $130 of Parallels to the price of the laptop since I consider it a must.
Yes also for students of microbiology, many programs in that field are windows-only. People with mac laptops sometimes literally needed to work together with people who had windows laptops to get the exercises done
What is the specific life of quality with a Mac, what we experience as windows users over and over again is that single macbook guy always finicking with settings to get things running. This happens without exception. Sometimes it is the wifi beamer he cannot connect, then he cannot share content in zoom or teams or any other app for that matter, or they ask for dongles that they forget to bring this day. and many many many other things.
@@user-fc9ms9nc8nthe quality exists in the audio and video industry. Otherwise the rest is marketing when it comes to macs.
Indeed, for 700-800$ band, you may easily find a PC laptop having an Nvidia RTX graphics card and 512 GB SSD. Besides, finding free software is very easy for Windows. New Intel and AMD Ryzen processors are also good. However, Apple M1-M2 chips are still very good for power efficiency, having very long battery lives.
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Yo what is your best laptop overall, or top 3 of all laptops you reviewed so far?
Josh, how would your recommendations change with the rise of cloud gaming? For example, I’m all in on the Apple ecosystem for music production and occasional gaming via Boosteroid. Feels like cloud gaming services opened up the gates to a stable gaming experience with the Liquid Retina screens
It honestly does not matter which one you go with. However, with the new M architecture from Apple, Virtualization can sometimes be a problem for AARCH64/ARM64. From a developers perspective, macOS is amazing, even though it is a subset of Unix, I much prefer open source Linux variants like Ubuntu or Fedora. I think most people from what I remember in my computer science program used a Mac or a PC with Linux on it. They are all great machines.
As a developer, i hate using macos. It just does a lot of silly, unintuitive things and impossible to customize so many things.
@@nivoset what silly unintuitive things are you referring to? Can you kindly elaborate?
I was wtaching your videos to decide which one i preferred. Then when i went to try them out personally I chose the Samsung Galaxy Book 3, and i'm glad i did. It has a touch screen OLED. USB. The build quality is great too
thanks for clarifying! I have been a pc user all my life but can't resist macbook at this point
I have an M1 Macbook Air but still want a decent Windows laptop because it fits my lifestyle more. Macs are nice but they are in a different realm
My PC journey began because my family could not afford anything from Apple when I was young so we had a cheap PC desktop. After that I stuck to PC laptops as I could have a singular machine that had a wide selection of games, could run all my school and work software, was not space demanding, and easier on my budget. Nowadays, even though I have met many people who do all sorts of work on a Mac and I can afford one, I haven't invested in that ecosystem so now I just stick with PC.
The switch I have been trying to make recently is to Linux, but sadly there are still some software that Linux can't run natively or within WINE and that holds me back.
Minus gaming, macOS is better than Windows at almost everything.
@@chrisx5127 That really depends on your choice of software and the context. I have seen both macOS and Windows excel at about the same things. The only real loser in the OS battles is Linux as there are still so many applications not supported on Linux.
@@chrisx5127 Not Excel or Power BI. Both work better for PCs if you work as an analyst. Especially the advance features.
@@chrisx5127smoothbrain argument
@@EvanSittlinux? Loser? Lmaooooo
I only use one laptop for everything, and has to be windows because some work programs do not run on Macs. My present laptop its a surface laptop 4 i7, and i am very happy with it. My daughter has a surface pro 8 i7 and its a very nice machine.
First time here - Great video. For basic home use do you recommend m1 or m2? 8 or 16 gig of ram ?
Had to move from Apple to PC for my business as it's app specific, I also like to draw so the Lenovo Yoga 7i 16" with ARC for some casual gaming was an revelation for me personally.
You have an ARC (dedicated) in the laptop? I don't think I've seen a review for one like that. How is it?
@@FlorinArjocu yrs it's only a 370 but I'm running Elite Dangerous at decent FPS, from what I've read it's comparable to a 3050 so probably not good enough for AAA games, I also have the integrated Xe graphics which takes the smaller jobs away from the ARC., Performance in Photoshop and after effects is fantastic. Cost me $1,549 CAD.
Mac on a small screen is a nightmare to use. Especially with no touchscreen. Yes the trackpad is nice but that OS is not made for laptop sixes screens. The dock at the bottom and the menu bar at the top really cramp the screen real estate. Also no native screen snapping means you are swapping full screen apps. Horrendous. And…, magnet, rectangle, bettertouchtool are janky and do not give you windows experience.
Thank you. One important aspect not mentioned. Ecosystem and related learning curve to switch it. If somebody is comfortable with windows and used it for years, switching to mac could be painful at least 1st few weeks. Also applies vice versa.
It’s been months, I hate this Os, have to google anything I want to tweak to my taste because it’s hidden somehow
I am interested in buying a laptop to edit 30/40sec TimeLapse video clip , creating sound with software synthetisers and make audio composition with around 10/15 tracks. Which one is the best for me? (considering that if I need a larger display I can use an external monitor) 😊
I don't like the idea of soldering the SSD on to the motherboard. I absolutely wll not buy any laptop with the soldered SSD. So I'm stuck with Windows laptop lol.
A Macbook wasn't an option for me because of its terrible docker performance. I have to use x86 docker images, and my Linux laptop is way more performant than a M2 laptop by far.
I ended up choosing a Thinkpad which isn't perfect, but doesn't have major flaws. And more important, it has a very good Linux compatibility.
My prob with Linux (Ubuntu, at least) on a laptop is the battery life, so I have to live with Hyper-V or remote desktop to an Ubuntu old desktop pc at home.
Good review. Can you do a review for the mc minis lineup?
I got the yoga slim 7 pro x with IGPU, 16gb ram, the i7 and 1tb, returned it since i figured something was wrong with it because I got greatly disappointed. However got the chance to buy another pro x for 350$ less but with i5 instead of i7 and 512gb, is it a good buy?
Basics you say? What about their ridiculous prices with zero upgradability, very limited fictionality, and only 6 years of OS support?
That’s the same for any PC
I just don’t agree with the suggestion that “everyone else” should go Apple.
Full disclosure - I am a long-term Apple user who is now for the first time in some time actually thinking about going back to Windows.
Many people will be used to using Microsoft software for documents and spreadsheets - the main use for the vast majority of laptops after web browsing and videos. There is just no doubt the MS software is the best - or at least the most mature. Certainly better than pages etc and google docs etc. There is also no doubt that it that software subpar on Apple products. Even worse so if you want onedrive integration, as so many businesses now require - it is absolute rubbish on Apple - this is coming from someone who uses this all day every day on an M1 Max.
Granted, that is partly because of Microsoft has not yet caught up - but it won’t because Windows is its main business. Lots of other developers are struggling to make their software run as efficiently on Apple - a good example is Adobe (Adcrobat DC is still hella slow!)
Combine that with Apple making silly decisions eg no external drives to be able to host cloud storage - ridiculous when you consider how expensive Apple storage is, and that it is not upgradeable.
So yes if you have a lot of money to spend, Apple will work just fine, probably - or possibly. But should that sector buy Apple? Ridiculous to suggest that is their only realistic option. Sounds a bit shill-ish I'm afraid
I have a 2017 MacBook Air and it's been a fantastic buy, 6 years later it's pretty much as good as it was new. The only area I think it falls down on is that I have a lot of problems running Excel on it. Excel rarely crashes on my desktop PC but crashes pretty regularly on my Mac. The one other area I'd criticise it is memory. Even on the newer MacBooks memory storage is pretty poor but I just use a Sandisk portable SSD with 2TB and unplug it when I'm not using the laptop. I'm going to upgrade soon to the new MacBook Air and if it's even on par with the old version I'll be very happy. Apple products are just in a league of their own in terms of build quality and stability. For more intensive computing, gaming and creative projects I'd definitely rather use a desktop PC, I also just prefer Windows from a user friendly stand point, it's just more instinctive. So for general computing I'd definitely go for a Mac laptop. For gaming, photoshop, digital art etc I use the PC desktop.
The one thing that has us thinking about adding a PC to our Mac arsenal (iPhones and iPads)… and price … is that we use PCs at work and there is the OS difference to overcome - how to do “simple” things.
Hey sorry that is unrelated but do you think you'll review the framework 16inch someday?
Im pretty sure he will its really hyped rn
He's got to😂
If you had to buy a device to transfer your consciousness which brand would you trust windows or Mac
Wow, here we have a clear winner.
Excellent!
I’ve only ever used PC laptops. I need a new laptop for music production, running a DAW, and everything that goes with it. Mac sounds like the way forward but I’m hesitant. Is learning a Mac from scratch going to be too much effort?
Hardware quality of Macs are just great. But productivity wise I always do prefer Windows. For example Windows is just way better in windows and task management out of the box. Windows as OS is also much faster than MacOS. MacOS “tends to be” faster with some hipster animations, but it is actually slower :) So, what I have done is… I installed windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air and I use Windows 99 percent of time on my Mac :) Excellent hardware with faster OS :)
How did you install Windows on the mac?
@@TiBen3 With Parallels Desktop software. As virtual machine.
@@aycangonenc ah alright, figured as much. Does it compromise the performance a lot? And are all Windows festures available?
@@TiBen3 Well, it is the Arm version of Windows so, it has the same limitations with Microsoft Surface Laptop I may say. But, depending on what you do for most people it is a great Windows environment. Funny but virtual PC in my Mac is a lot faster than my dedicated Asus PC :)
One additional consideration is whether you want your laptop to network with other machines, for example a desktop. This is simpler if they're both running the same OS.
Agreed. I find PCs a lot easier to work with other devices. Mac are more difficult and costly.
Also, most companies are geared towards PCs. There are actually dongles to work around this issue, but that is just another expense for Macbooks.
A lot of ppl use Adobe premiere for professional video editing. So if you get a mega PC spec that's all you need. I however have always used logic and final cut and just can't transition to PC because the interface is so different.
Can you touch upon Linux side, which laptops gives best battery and performance with Linux.
What about software engineers? Or data scientists? Which will be the better choice?
Linux on a Thinkpad
Linux on an XPS.
Linux on almost any laptop.
Mac are not the good option here. Thinkpad are better fit for it
I recently had to make this decision for myself. - Musts for me were a large screen, high resolution, mini-led or oled. My usage case is what you refer to as the basics. Price was next big factor. As much as I loved the 16" MacBook Pro, I was firm that I wasn't going to pay $2500. In the end, I picked up Samsung's new Galaxy Book3 Pro for $1500. I've been very happy with my decision. The biggest weak point from my perspective, were the speakers. However, I mainly use it in my office at home, where I have access to my nice headphone setup. - With that being said, I'm super happy with it. I really love the keyboard. I had a Yoga in the past, and the shift key was a different size. I didn't think it would be a big issue, assuming I would get used to it. Boy was I wrong. It caused constant issues while typing. Another thing I've been really happy with is the touch pad. Palm rejection has been really good. It's huge and tracks perfectly. I've also enjoyed playing around with Windows 11. I had been in the Mac world for the past 2 years. So it's been fun seeing how things have changed over the years (yes for the better, in my opinion).
I’m thinking about going for an XPS 15 or 17, surface laptop studio, or Razer blade 15 oled
@@Mikivli Solid choices, as long as you know you’ll be putting the discrete gpu to work. Might also consider the Asus Strix and ROG line.
@@sarrum7696 I’m experimenting right now, I had the ROG FLOW z13 with intel i9 was a beast but to small and hurt my hands when using the key board
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I agree with most of what you said.
I use a m2 mac mini for daily use tasks and media consumption and a pc gaming laptop the Asus g14 2022 edition he is showing in video for gaming and productivity work works great for me!
I think I’ve seen the perfect laptop that you and all of us are looking for. I believe we would greatly appreciate a review of the new Lenovo slim pro 9i. I can’t get it until you approve of it. It’s not officially released yet though
I'll ask them to send me one
@@JustJoshTech Awesome, looking forward to seeing the upcoming review!
@@JustJoshTech If you get a chance, please check out the Lenovo Yoga 7 Gen 8 14" AMD 7000 series. On paper it ticks every box for my needs, but I haven't seen any reviews of it yet, & I'd be keen to get your view.
@@JustJoshTech Must be nice LOL.
@Chris X Each laptop that comes in is around 20 to 30 hours of work to review, Chris. It's not free!!
Always enjoy your content. I use Windows, Linux and MacOS. I have an older MacBook Pro with 8gb ram and the display is stellar and performance is good. I don't use Final Cut Pro or the Adobe Suite. Apple is fantastic! they work seamlessly with other Apple products. If you buy a newer Mac and have problems they will help you at the Apple stores.
That said you pay a premium for Apple devices. I love Linux on my Thinkpads which I dual boot with Windows 11. Its the display on my Macbook that I adore though. Windows 10 works very well via bootcamp on my Macbook also. If you have the extra $$$ and don't play games get a Macbook.
I think you Nailed it.
I got the 13.6 M2 MacBook Air with 16 gigs of ram memory, and 512 SSD storage. This is my first laptop, and after almost 5 weeks, I love it. Very user friendly, and lightweight. I'm a longtime Windows desktop user since 1999, with Windows 98. I used to have a website, and build my own webpages. Since I don't have the site anymore, decided to go with a laptop. I have the iPhone 13 Pro, and thought the Air would work with my phone. Apple Store in NYC was able to sink MacBook Air to my iPhone. So glad I'm not tide to a desk anymore, and can sit in my couch with my legs up on my chaise, with laptop on my lap. It's very portable, and lightweight too. After the Mac class, put the Air in my crossbody laptop briefcase, and was able to walk around NYC without any strain on my shoulders. If you are a student or teacher, having to lug a laptop back and forth to school the 13.6 Air is perfect. If you are looking to future proofing your laptop, I recommend you upgrade to 16 gigs of ram, and 512 SSD storage, but keep the 8 core GPU. I looked at the 15 inch Air at Apple Store but, was not that impressed. Screen resolution was not much better than the 13.6 Air. I also had them put on Beach Boys "Wouldn't It Be Nice' to check out sound, was louder but, not any better. After my last Dell desktop with Windows 7 Pro and 2T hard drive died before 2 years, I gave up on Windows. Good video, explaining about both.
OS is more important. You should get a laptop that will best support your OS of choice. For me this means full AMD PC for Linux. Bought Yoga Slim 7 Pro and I don't regret it.
Right like the reason why I bought a Mac is because I’m a musician and I need my music production to just function. I don’t want to mess around with drivers. I just need my stuff to work. I wouldn’t necessary recommend a Mac to everyone but if they need something that just works, I would recommend a Mac.
The mains reason I prefer Windows laptops (at home I mainly use a Windows desktop):
- I have some Windows only programs that I need daily and the only options would be subscribing to Parallels and bying a MacBook with at least 16GB RAM but preferably 32 to use the virtual machine
- I want cellular
_ I want maximum portability (laptops under 2 pounds)
Apple has no cellular, no laptop at that weight, and charges extreme prices for high RAM/storage options
I don't game, but the main reason I prefer a Windows desktop is the ability to have upgradable RAM and storage, including in MiniPCs
I am thinking of buying a laptop this Fall. I would be mostly using it for video editing for CZcams and coding. Can you recommend me a good laptop? Should I go for Windows laptop like Zenbook s13 Oled and Vivobook pro or Macbook Air m2?
I am very confused with all the varities available at today's market.
1. If you need to wright on screen go for surface or 2 in 1
2. If you need power or rare programs go windows
3. You you are a student you'll probably be fine with Galaxy tab8+ for 1/4 other devices price
I just don't like the user experience on MacOS tbh. It's not as customizable operating system as Windows 10. And I'd have to either emulate Windows bc I'd be stuck w an ARM chip, and Linux on ARM sucks rn afaik. KDE Plasma & other distros are v Mac like, but with more customizability. (And the headaches of using linux lol)
I agree 100%. I never really liked the macOS workflow or the need to pay for tools just to make macOS usable (like Bartender to overcome the notch issue or Magnet to get proper snapping support).
And then there's now the lack of Boot Camp support and Linux support being still not quite ready yet. Those are enough deal breakers to not buy Macs for me.
Win 10 and 11 suck though. The last good Win is 7 but not all modern games support it.
pc laptops give you WAY more options
8 gig on a M1 or M2 is a joke
Should I wait for the M2 base model price to drop, as the new Mac Air may release in a couple months? I don't want to buy the M1 base model 8/256 (920€ + vat in EU) . Please advise.
Excellent video thank you. Looking at getting a MacBook was seeing what windows offered these days but not up to much. I’ll stick with
Sure the Apple chips are amazing, but if you want a decent amount of RAM and SSD, it just gets way too expensive and you basically don't have anything under 1500-2000€. I'm really happy with my Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 ProX with 6800HS/16GB/1To, great 3k 120Hz screen and good build quality / keyboard trackpad. I paid 1200€. I don't think I could get anything that comes closes from Apple at this price point.
That is the curse of Eurozone... Things are a lot different in US or Asia.
I don’t care. It one time pay. It pays itself by one invoice (or even less, depends on the configuration). Than it earns money for more time than any PC. And after 4 years or more, you will still sell it for nice money. Heck, I sold my 2015 MBP 13” for 350 euros few months ago.
You will have a hard time to sell PC that is 3 years old.
And as I said, it pays itself by one invoice. Then it earns money. Heck, my main computer paid itself 50x over it’s lifetime (since 2018) and it was way above 2000 euros. So I don’t give a shit.
If you are wondering, I’m a web developer in Slovakia, so no huge income in comparison to ie Germany. Not bad, sure, way above the average, but still. Say something above in between 2-3k euros
@@ZhuJo99 For a professional use, things are obviously different, but still, I like to pay the right price. I don't see how I would significantly benefit from the extra money needed for a Macbook. However, I did spend a lot of time finding the right Windows laptop for me.
Tomatot - What is the fan noise like on your Lenovo? Specifically the pitch? Some laptops have a really high pitched fan almost like an jet engine. Not a white noise type of whoosh. I can’t use laptops with a high pitch fan.