Defense Fools Runner Into Sliding and Gets Double Play
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You don't tell the batter what pitch you are going to throw, you don't tell the runner on first that you are going to pitch out,. Make players better by teaching them to be aware of everything in the game. The best players are aware.
Obviously, this is an MLB game, where a fake tag is legal, but it's interesting to note that in high school ball, a fake tag is illegal and can be ruled as obstruction, one of the many differences in rule sets. It’s possible the umpire in a high school game would award R1 second base on this play simply because F6 tried to fake a tag, nullifying the throw back for appeal at first.
Its not mentioned, but there is a good reason that the shortstop doesnt actually touch the runner, and that is because it is obstruction. As long as you don't touch the runner, you can fake a tag.
Agree, this should be emphasized. I play in a men’s Sunday league and we consider it bush league to fake tags because of the safety implication, especially as a bunch of older guys that are paying to play.
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@@CubeInspector I’m 29 thanks. But I’m not getting paid millions to play, just tryna have fun
The fake tag is unnecessary. Just acting like you are anticipating the throw from the catcher is enough.
Third option. You could fake an overthrow into the center field. Then the ball ends up in the same place - not much different from the runners point of view.
Get him running to third instead of back to first. 😊
Genius
then you have the runner looking center field which you dont want on this play.....if it was hit to right you could do that
No. Force them backwards. Not forwards
That’s a good adaptation for HS ball.👍
Jeter did this exact move except it was an “overthrow” from 1st base side into left field, 3rd baseman caught a pop up and doubled off the runner at first. In high school ball you’d hear the crack of the bat, wouldn’t work in this situation
I never really thought baseball was a fake out and cause confusion game. After watching many of your reviews, I come to the realization that it's all over the place in the game. Never saw it, but I guess it does not happen that often depending on the team and the game. Or maybe I just never watched for it in the park on the tube. Thanks for sharing!
If you watch a game close, you will see them trying multiple times per game to mess with each other. Any way you can do record 27 outs. Pros understand this stuff is low probability, but it's always there in reach. Very amusing at times when the deeker and deekee acknowledge a ham-handed attempt.
Reminded me of this. Cuts both ways. Can break some taboos not rules, baseball has weird sporting rules that will get teams HOT at you man. Lol
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That guy sliding unnecessarily into second was the story of my RBI 3 NES career. No fake needed.
Those are always tough situations for the base runner if he’s stealing and batter hits a fly ball. Especially if it’s hit shallow. Even if he doesn’t slide that’s hard to get back in time.
Always good stuff, Matt. Thanks for sharing your comments.
Right answer is take off and IMMEDIATELY stare at your third base coach. He has signals for halfway, dig for third, slide, whatever. It's like telling your batters to not look for the balls direction until after you've hit it and started down the line STARING at your first base coach
What a fantastic video. Thank you.
FYI For college level and below, this is obstruction. Rule 2-22-2 = A fake tag is an act by a defensive player without the ball that simulates a tag. A fake tag is considered obstruction.
Obstruction= (2-22-1) Obstruction is an act (intentional or unintentional, as well as physical or verbal) by a fielder, any member of the defensive team or its team personnel that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play.
But what if you fake the tag and the baserunner has not reached the base yet and then you step back once runner comes within 5 feet of base?
@@royn8032 In the real world I've only ever seen obstruction called once on a fake tag, and I played college ball with a shortstop who applied a fake tag on every errant throw to second, so I think it's really "umpire dependent". (& That one time it was called on my SS was the reason we looked the rule up to begin with, because I thought the umpire was wrong.)
After learning the rule, I chose to deek like I caught the ball, but without never actually applying a "fake tag". My theory being that I could argue I wasn't guilty of obstruction because there was no "simulating of the tag". I think you could make the same argument in your scenario where the base runner hasn't gotten within 5 feet of the base yet.
I teach my players to "discretely fake the catch without actually applying a fake tag". Ultimately I think it's going to come down to the umpire, but so far we haven't had obstruction called against us...but I'm ready with the rule bookmarked on my phone lol
Baseball is a weird and quirky game, and I love it.
The reason the 2nd baseman came over to double tag was to make the runner stay at 2nd just a tad longer. Because the 2nd baseman. Applies the tag as if the ball was over- thrown from the catcher , so when the runner see that the center fielder has the ball now it's be side of an over throw so the base runner instinctually will feel like he wants to try to go to third but think it's wise to stay at second . He just makes the runner feel as far away from thinking he should run back to 1st.
Love it. Good baseball…a lot of brain power in operation.
This video is the perfect example of why you always take a quick peak at the plate while stealing. Always know where the ball is and you'll never get deked. Why so many major leaguers don't peak in is mind-blowing. Like you said, it doesn't slow you down.
Sometimes the fundamentals are lost
Matt doesn't the runner have to retouch second base with his right foot after going to the 3rd base side of the base?
Good move on the SS... though a warning should be given... in High School ball.. fake receiving the throw.. DON'T FAKE THE TAG... a fake tag getting the runner to slide is obstruction in the NFHS rulebook... outside of NFHS... Hell, I remember practicing this in my levels.. (never did play HS.... grades)..
I was going to say this too. High school ball and little league the SS can fake a catch but fake tags are obstruction.
3:41 even if the runner had made it back to first before the throw, if you look closely the runner made a step toward third base and never retouched second on his way back to first. They could have appealed second base if they didn’t get the out at first.
He still had his right foot on second. When he left the base it was to head back to first, not towards third.
@@Jivvi he stepped with both feet onto the third-base side of the bag, then ran around the bag going to first. That's an out on appeal.
Serves him right. He shouldn’t be trying to steal a base that doesn’t belong to him anyhow. 😂
It looks like when the ball is hit, the “base thief” is at the point of transitioning into the slide. Seems it would be difficult to do that and keep an eye on if the pitch was hit or not. But, that’s the nature of the game.
Maybe once you commit to the steal, a short fly ball to the outfield is just going to double you up. That’s the breaks.
Ricky Henderson peeked and he was one of the greatest base stealers of all time
Rickey almost NEVER peeked actually. The split second hesitation of "should I be stealing" can cost you half a step, and given how close most SBs are, that's a ton of time. In fact, on most straight steals, you're not supposed to even turn back until you touch the base... the coach will concede the possibility of an out for a runner on second. With that being said, it's also true that batters were signaled to NOT swing during certain counts if Henderson was on base to mitigate the risk of a double play.
What do you think about point up when a grounder is hit to confuse the runner?
It was close if the runner at second appropriately re tagged second base on his way back to first.
Yea as a base runner you have to know how many outs that there are at all times and if this was a straight steal then the hitter at the plate and the runner got their signals crossed up. Because if it's a straight steal then you run without looking at home but if it was a hit and run situation then as a runner then you look back at home just in the hitter does pop it up. If he does pop up with less than two outs then you are taught to go half way just in case the outfielder drops the ball then you are able to take the next base. That's why as a base runner you have to know what the situation is at all times and be alert at all times or this could happen to you
So since Marte decided to come and tag on the backside; if the runner gets up as he does and then realizes he has to get back to first, but trips or runs into Marte is he then safe due to defensive interference?
Itym obstruction. Interference is committed by the base runner against a fielder
@@FadkinsDiet Ah yes, then I do mean obstruction. Thank you for the information and clarification.
It could be ruled obstruction, yes.
Why not use the third base coach to watch the play and then signal to the runner to return to the previous bag?
I think it's understated how important it was that the SS didn't touch the runner. It's not because he was worried about pushing him off the bag; it's because any contact on a fake tag is obstruction. The runner would've been awarded second, even though he never went back to first to tag up.
A fake tag is legal in MLB. It is not legal in high school. A fake tag does not require the fielder to touch the runner. A fielder can, however, fake receiving a throw.
Fake tags are illegal, the battter is out, but by rule the runner returns to first and then is awarded second
This is why baseball needs Second-base coaches!!! 🤣
Seriously, though, what if the runner (at 3:27) would have turned to his right and "unintentionally on purpose" made contact with the second baseman that came over? Could the umpires then have to consider an interference call on the defense?
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No "interference" by the defense. It would be "obstruction," if anything. "Interference" can only be committed by a batter, runner, coach, spectator, or (in a couple of very limited cases) umpire.
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It's like, "Where's the ball?!"
I can hear the bat crack from the nose bleed section in the neighboring Zip Code... but he can't hear it from 100-ish feet away?
Yes sometimes you don’t hear it. You have a helmet on and running full speed. If he heard it, I’m sure he wouldn’t have slid into 2nd
Is the runner from first returning to first because the ball is a fly and caught?
I was at the game and thought the 2nd basemen committed imterference
In high school we had a plate like that and the umpire Call illegal
Runner's out anyway, on appeal. He crossed second base and did not retouch.
AmI wrong?
Applying a tag without the ball is against the rules?
So…
What are the purposes of the coaches?
Pete Rose told me it's hard for me to look in at the right time to home plate so I glanced at the eyes of the third baseman shortstop and second base are Deacon me the third base is eyes are going to go to the ball for a moment this guy looks like his head goes up at third base towards Centerfield and any Seas the fake going on and he's watching it at second base
How did that guy stealing even get into the majors? This is basic stuff you learn when you're 13 or 14 yo
Maybe the batter wasn't supposed to swing and a straight steal was on, could be why he didn't look
On a straight steal, the batter has the option of swinging. On a hit and run, the batter is obligated to swing. However, on a straight steal sometimes the batter will intionally take if he has less than 2 strikes and sees that the runner got a great jump.
Honestly I feel like there ahould be zero fake tags. Do much chance for injury
Can you not hear the 1B coach? Is it that loud?
It is that loud
Since when did fake tags become OK? Used to be illegal.
I always thought it was illegal to fake a tag causing the runner to slide when there is no play. What do I know :)
I believe you just can't make contact.
Fake tags are illegal and result in an obstruction call in NFHS ball.
That's true, it is illegal under HS rules, but MLB does not mention fake tags.
Fun fact: while totally legal in MLB, under NFHS rules this is obstruction.
Technically this was obstruction by the infielders. You are not allowed to touch the runner AT ALL when you don't have the ball and you're not actively attempting to field the ball. It doesn't matter if it's a violent shoulder block or just a slight brush on the arm. It's obstruction. And the runner was clearly touched two separate times by two separate infielders on this play.
This play was entirely legal for MLB.
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Nope
@@Rowgue51 The rulebook and the umpires disagree with you.
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No they don't.
@@Rowgue51 Then cite the rule.
Heads up defense. Kids, make sure you know your rules before trying this in a game.
This is why I call the MLB, the WWE of baseball. A fake tag is obstruction at every level of baseball.... Except, the MLB. Bush league play.
The stadium is practically empty. Can the runner really not hear the crack of bat on ball?
Second baseman almost ruined the whole thing by creating obstruction.
Isn't this terrible Reds offense? 1) Hitter should have held the swing knowing the steal is on. 2) Putting the steal on with 1 strike is off in my books because it goes against the hitter... so put it on the 1st pitch or 0-1, otherwise hold off. You'd have been dead on an IF line drive as well as this fly ball. 3) Hitters... situational hitting, snab a ground ball if the steal is on and you're not gonna hold your swing.
He was never going to make it back to first, regardless of slide or not. This is nothing but a failed hit and run. This will not be the last of the season.
If this was a hit-and-run, the runner would have peeked in towards the plate to see if and where the ball was hit. Here, the runner didn't do that at all; therefore, this was definitely a straight steal attempt.
I feel bad teaching the kids to fake players.
Personally I think it's smart baseball, not dirty, but to each their own. Deceiving your opponent is integral to the spirit of the game and I don't feel like it's cheating to fake out an opponent. It's not playing dirty to throw a breaking ball in an attempt to get a batter to swing and miss at a pitch as you're matching your wit versus an opponent's wit and I feel like infielders faking an infield play falls under the fair spirit of baseball. It's a baserunner's responsibility to be situationally aware on the basepaths at all times. Picking off runners, hidden ball tricks, and fake outs are perfectly above-the-belt strategies to get outs.
With a kids' league you're teaching them the mechanics, faking them out with trick plays before they know the rules 100% can get discouraging.. This is level 4 baseball, pro level obviously, all fair for these adults.
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