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I appreciate the umpire clearly knowing the rules and just standing there watching. Good job.
umpire should have sent the second runner back to third base cannot advance on dead ball play which a walk is
@@jamesberry3230 A walk is not a dead ball play according to official fast pitch softball rules.
@@jamesberry3230 A walk is not a dead ball.
@@jamesberry3230 A walk has never been a dead ball. Why do you state things so confidently without checking first?
@@jamesberry3230the most ignorant people are often the most confident
When I was a high school varsity player, coach would always make us hustle everywhere even to first base if we walked. He'd get pissed if we didn't run at least at a near sprint. Other teams got so used to us doing that, I was able to take 2nd base off a walk 4 times my senior year twice in the same game. It's so important to not be lazy, hustle & pay attetion playing head's up ball.
The odd part is the runner on second was able to advance past third because the batter-runner hadn't got to first base yet, and the ball was still live.
@@asfdaew The ball is dead in softball after the batter reaches first base?
I believe, if time is not called, the runners can advance as many bases as they are willing to risk
@@asfdaew ball was live no matter what, has zero to do with any other runners or their positions including the batter.
Twice in one game is hard to believe. Your opponents must have been pretty dim. I think that the reason the play worked in this video was that the defense was expecting to see a runner headed home. A runner heading home was expected but the idea what two runners would be there was not. There is an old saying "the eye cannot see what the mind does not know." If you have never considered the idea that someone might casually round third on a walk resulting in two runners that are 6 feet apart, you literally won't see it when it happens. But this is very different than seeing a guy sprinting for second base on a walk. That should look really odd to everyone.
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I think it helps that the team in the field has the first base dugout. The catcher may have been looking that way for instruction. If they had the third base dugout and the catcher looked over to one of the coaches there would be a better chance that the catcher would have noticed. In any event, it's smart baserunning.
I agree. This is why when I have the option, I choose 3rd base dugout. It brings more advantages than I initially realized.
At 2:12 bottom right hand side…there is a fan who extends their hands in visual recognition of the stolen plate while everyone else is asleep at the wheel. Totally agree that this was a planned event that will likely further frustrate the defense currently “on the ropes”. The silver lining is that the pitcher won’t walk in another run (on the next batter) no matter what 😎
At the very end with the view of the runners crossing from the dugout the lead runner seems to react like she didn't know the second runner was coming. She seems a little startled. I'm not sure if was a set play but if it was the lead runner sold it REALLY well or she missed the call for it and just happy accident that their base running worked into its favor.
The smart defensive play is to have the catcher hold the ball after ball 4 with the bases loaded and make sure the runner from third steps on the plate. I’ve seen several times where the runner steps over the plate and is tagged out immediately.
The catcher should hold the ball as you suggest but could tag R2 as she approaches the plate.
@@alanhess9306 R2 probably wouldn’t try it if the catcher held the ball.
@@tomfinn6579 True.
@@tomfinn6579yeah, the 2B runner sprinted off 3B a sec after pitcher gets the ball, must be making sure that pitcher has it not the catcher, and that whoever has the ball which is the pitcher is not looking and were about 3/4 turned away from their direction. So runner would’ve stayed if pitcher was facing home or the cather held the ball a little longer
@@winterashgaming Yes, I also think this was scouted out and someone noticed the pitchers habit of turning away from the plate and even walking further away, giving plenty of time for this to happen.
I remember my coach in LL told me if I was walked to continue on to second as the ball is still alive. Worked, but that was 75 years or so ago...
LOL I just told a similar story to that. Hustling and being a heads up ballplayer worked for me in '93 when I last played varsity my senior year. I took 2nd base on a walk twice in one game and a few other times during the season. I'm sure it still works.
Especially if there is a runner on third
You will see this in little league World Series this year.
At first base I would say to base runners ‘why aren’t you rounding and looking to steal second?’. no one on the defense paying attention half the time.
Teach kids at 8/9u how to read and run bases and to go when ‘they’ see it.
Still works. I have my 10U and 12U players sprint towards first on a walk and read the players' positions. If they aren't paying attention, then they should sprint towards second base. (This works well if there is a runner on third). I had one player jog to first base, then continue to jog to second. The opposition looked at him saying "What is he doing?". By the time they realized what was going on, it was too late.
Back in 2017 Jose Bautista of the Jays was issued a walk in front of the, er, home crowd in Seattle. He took first as indicated, but as he was trotting up the first base line so he noticed the pitcher had the ball and was off in La-La Land; he sprinted to second and got there safely. It's the same principle here. The runner is entitled to their base, but if the next base is free and the fielders aren’t paying attention they can advance.
Sort of….but no runner ahead of Bautista
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No runner ahead of R2 in this play because R3 disappears when she scores.
@@MwD676 you’re right, what I should have said was bases not juiced. I remember Bautista doing that, really heads up….but I can honestly say, I’ve never seen this play work….or unwork 🤔
Same idea, yeah, but with one small difference (other than bases loaded). In baseball the runner can advance at any point when the ball is live. In softball, if the pitcher is in possession with the ball in the circle, and not making a play, the runner can only advance if she doesn't stop.
Years ago when my daughter played softball there was a team that did that crap every time they got a bases empty walk. Trot to first then sprint to second. These were ten year olds mind you. Not illegal, but not very sportsmanlike for adults to teach little kids to take advantage of little kids like that.
I didn’t even know you could advance during a walk. That’s awesome to know!
If time isn’t called the ball is live at all times.
Yeah, it's a live ball so you can advance at your own risk. Ty Cobb and Sam Crawford would sometimes run a play where the hitter who received a walk wouldn't stop at first like they normally would and would just keep advancing to second. It would often trigger a throw to second which would allow the chance for the runner from third to break for home. This happened a few years ago in the majors I think. I just can't recall who did it.
@@r3d5ive87Great to know. I didn’t even know that. So many rules in baseball.
@@cdrum5994 it’s more about a non-rule. No rule against this.
In fastitch softball if the runner stops at a base while the pitcher has control of the ball in the pitcher's circle, that runner can not then take another base (they have to remain on the base they stopped at until the next pitch is released, or if they leave early after stopping they are out.) But if a runner does not stop at the base they can continue to advance to the next base at risk of being tagged out.
From other softball refs I've seen on YT. The ball is dead when the pitcher has the ball in the circle, and the runners are stopped on the basepaths. For this to work, the runner on second has to pass third base to be entitled to advance. A runner can go for the next base if past the previous one, but not after the runner claims a base (stands on, stopped). Otherwise it is an out, based on a thing called the lookback rule. The pitcher was out of the circle, both runners past third, the first one forced in because of the walk, the second one continuing the play as she was past third when the ball went in the circle. If she was between 2nd and 3rd, she could only have advanced to 3rd.
Very heads-up play.
That's why we shouldn't take the term "walk" literally. She pulled it off because she got to third and rounded it quickly.
As long as she doesn't stop but keeps running home, she can be between 2nd and 3rd and the pitcher has the ball and she can keep going home rounding third. She's not required to stay because she never stopped. Same with a batter getting walked with no runners on base. As long as she continues without stopping to second, she can go to second, even third all while the pitcher has the ball in the circle.
@@MH-Tesla☝🏼yes this is correct. (I can tell you know, I’m just confirming for others who don’t know for sure.)
Your understanding of the "look back rule" is not quite accurate. The ball is NOT dead when it enters the circle.
@@patrickeast6926 You're right, I believe the runners have to have been established on a base for the ball to be dead (not on base, play isn't dead), along with the ball in the circle.
Too bad the video is never played once all the way through with no pause. We be effective to see it that way before breaking it down.
Just reminds me of David Cone arguing while runners are running wild around the bases and scoring.
Incredible pitcher. Total dumbass
Legend has it that he is still arguing and runners are still scoring.
I was watching that yesterday. It’s wild.
@@stt5v2002Lol
Really heads up play and I gotta think the coach gave her a sign to do it....which means it's something they'd thought about in the past. Pretty slick!
It’s important that if you’re going to execute this, the runner from second cannot hesitate at third in trying to reach home. The ball is in the circle and under control. Any hesitation will result in a look back rule out. This was well executed.
Can you explain more ?
@@ibperson7765 Once the pitcher gets the ball back and is inside the mound circle, runners are only allowed to stop once. When they stop running, they must either return to the last base they were on or attempt to reach the next base. Anyone who stays off a base or reverses direction in an attempt to pull a fake-out is ruled out.
That is brilliant!
This is why I love watching softball so much. It’s very fast paced and they pull of sneaky things on a regular basis
I prefer watching women baseball over men because the view is much nicer
Saw this type of action several times while umpiring at the Little League level. Coaches would tell their player to hussle on a walk, a lot of times the player could get two bases, or as shown in this vide, two players scoring on a walk when the defense was sleeping. I also saw several times where an alert catcher would toss to the lead base (or to first base if no one was on), trying to catch the runner stepping off the bag. The latter play worked several times as well as the runner would get to the bag then step off without calling time, runner would get tagged out.
I think this was a sudden move by the second base runner. Did you see the runner at third kinda jump as she heard the 2nd base runner come up behind and touch the first girl from behind? It was visible in the last replay.
Neat video. Heads up plays by the base runners. Definately a lesson for pitchers and catchers to pay attention to the lead runner(s).
I always told the players to run to first on a walk because if the opportunity presented itself they could steal second when the catcher missed the ball or if the pitcher/catcher weren't paying attention.
If that was just all by the runner from second...... GREAT JOB!
If it was a set play by the coaching staff....... well, GREAT JOB!
Very enlightening video!
Beautiful creative play! When playing baseball back in 20 years ago I wish we could have thought of a play that they executed so well
I think it could be done in baseball if you wait for the right opportunity where the pitcher is staring at the outfield, but it probably won't work a second time :D It's definitely more risky with the larger distances though, you're probably not going to be able to casually walk home and would need to sprint from third and hope you catch the pitcher distracted.
With the right athlete on 2nd with awareness of game psychology--a pitcher struggling to throw any strikes, a catcher that gets a little hyper-focused on that, and an infield gets a little lax and maybe even coaches are looking for the chance get to the next reliever--but it is a risk. The pitcher throws a strike after seemingly not knowing the zip code of home plate and a catcher notices a runner in no man's land, etc. Definitely don't try it with two outs. But there are players that have a knack for grabbing bases in these circumstances. Yeah. Let them try to steal a run second on a bases loaded walk. Should 3rd Baseperson shadow/pursue the advancing runner to gain attention?
@@spiritculture4401A funny detail is that this probably works best with two outs. If the count is full then with two outs the runners are running on every pitch, and that effectively lets the runner at second base sprint to third without it being suspicious because they were running anyway. That puts them in a good position to look at the pitcher and maybe catch them off guard. But of course, like you said doing this on two outs is super risky so you'd have to pick the right pitcher and team to do it against.
Cool! I agree that this is more possible in softball due to the closer bases.
That is just a brilliant bit of base runner awareness and execution. Hats off to that player for displaying a 1000 softball IQ! Cheers....
My collegiate team pulled this off twice, my sophomore year. It was amazing both times.
*Beautiful* play.
This is brilliant they are in fact trying to blend.
Makes sense as everyone let's up or let's their guard down, plus like you mentioned, most everyone is turned in the opposite direction or looking the wrong way. Great time to steal a run.
The purpose of the two runners being close in proximity may have been a ploy for the lead runner to create a screen for the back runner. IF the pitcher had the presence of mind to throw home, the catcher would have had to maneuver around the lead runner to try and tag the back runner, as there is no play to be had on the lead runner. What's more, the throw from the pitcher to the catcher might be impeded by the lead runner if the throw takes the catcher in front of the plate. It is as if the front runner has become a blocking fullback for the trail runner and cleared the way.
It's up to the umpire to determine if they really meant to do this. Because if they did, that lead runner is out for obstruction and it would be a terrible strategy. Their run doesn't count and the team is down an out.
@@asfdaewit would be interference on the lead runner, not obstruction, if anything. And I don’t believe the rule backs you up. I think if the lead runner is simply jogging home, there is absolutely no interference. If she stops, or changes path, or puts a hand up, then you have interference. But just jogging? Nope.
@@slpguy6026agree, it's more like wr pick pass at the goalline
@@asfdaew Interference with a thrown ball must be intentional. Very unlikely that the lead runner could be called out.
The whole premise of the original comment is they are intentionally using the lead runner to break up a play.
Pretty darn cool. Dang! Darn pretty smooth. I remember getting into the batter box just getting ready and the pitcher threw a strike on me. I was a kid. But that never happened again. 😂
1000 IQ baserunning
Plays like this or attempted plays like this are fairly common in Faspitch.
That being said, our Baseball team occasionally would run a similar type of play with a runner on 2b and a 3-2 count with 1 out. If ball 4 occurred, the runner from 2b would start jogging towards 3b as if it was 1st & 2nd and they were forced. The majority of time the defense would be confused enough that the runner from 2b got far enough towards 3b or all the way before realizing. If a team was sharp enough to be on it, they often still threw behind the runner to 2b allowing the runner to then outright steal 3b. I ran this play successfully both ways myself.
I've coached little league baseball for 22 seasons. I was always pressing the defense with aggressive base running. This includes taking 2 bases on walks particularly in high leverage situations. 1st to 3rd was common, but 2nd to home happened quite a few times too. Most of the time, it was my lead runner taking 2 with following runners taking advantage if the defense becomes aware and focused on what the lead runner was doing. We would do it maybe twice a game as the opposing team would start becoming hyper vigilant after. Our success rate was around 80%. Again, I was an aggressive base running coach and other teams knew that about me. It's all about picking your time to do it.
You know the old saying about learning something new everyday, well I just learned something new! I had NO idea that was even legal. Thanks for teaching me.
That was great. So looking forward to Opening Day.
Been a while but I believe I had a dvd put out by the Florida coach that only covered running the bases. I wasn’t shocked when I seen them pull this one off.
Great heads up play
Never seen this but I love it!
I am so glad I saw this. I Coach a Softball team and we are always the WORST team in our area (19 Wins in 17 Seasons) and I am looking for everything I can find to increase our ODDS. This is GREAT. The 1 thing we have is SPEED.
And YES this is legal and could work in Baseball too during a Walk because it is a Live Ball.
But this is harder to do in Baseball because the Bases are 90 feet - Softball is 60 feet.
That's a really heads-up play by the runner on 2nd base. The most heads-up play I ever saw in hundreds of MLB games I attended, and I saw it happen twice, was this. Davey Lopes was on 1st base, and Bill Russel lays down a sacrifice bunt, and Lopes goes all the way to 3rd on the play.
I would totally try it.
Great play
Having coached travel softball for a decade, that's a great play. The pitcher needs to be constantly aware of what's going on at all times. We ran a similar play to win a league championship in extra innings, which has its own interesting rules; start with runner on 2nd base + one out.
In the 90's we used to this in little league all the time. We used to also score with runners on 1st and third. Batter walks, players from both 1st and 3rd begin to walk even though there is no one on 2nd. Easy score. We used to have the catcher hold the ball until all the players have stopped on the bases.
Wow 😮 Inconceivable!
This is sheer genius.
I’ve seen similar stuff in softball… with the shorter distances, this stuff can happen easily… with Baseball and the 90ft bases… this is much more difficult to pull off… and I agree, almost appears possibly as a set play… though the catcher could have foiled it by simply holding the ball… the pitcher went to sleep probably thinking the ball in the circle will kill things… but because R2 never stopped… that won’t apply.
I was the manager/player on the great Mad Dogs team. In the bottom of the 9th we were down 4-5. We had the bases loaded with two outs. Mike went up to bat. I told him to take everything the pitcher threw. Ball one, then ball two. I remind Mike to take. Ball three. The count was 3-0. I reminded Mike again to take. The entire team was yelling “Take!” The next ball was thrown obviously up & out away from the batter. An obvious ball four. But Mike swung the bat and the end of the bat barely touched the ball. The ball trickled toward first. The pitcher ran in, scooped the ball and underhanded the ball to first base. Inning over. Game over. Thanks Mike…
I've seen some heads up base running where a batter was walked and casually ran to 1st then sprinted to 2nd, but that was quite a play 2b to home on a walk; especially at that level of competition.
Awesome! If that was a set play, the coach is a genius who searches every detail. If that was a 2nd base runner play, he deserves a contract.
You mean she. It was a girl.
I saw this in a little league game a month or so back. They were taking advantage of the pitcher not paying attention and regularly not being on the pitchers mound, so the runner on third just went home. That pitcher has been a lot more conscious of watching third as they get back to the mound.
I pitched from little league to highschool and at age 13 I played travel baseball for coaches that played pro or college. But in all of my years playing I've never seen a play like this before but that's why if your playing defense you have to pay attention to the runners at all times. Or things like this happens and you have to know at all times on how many outs there are as well
The on deck batter is in on it too. She's just another player in the same uniform to add to the mix and confuse the pitcher
If they have signals for this specific scenario then kudos to them.
Never saw two runners score but did see this play one time.
This was in a Little League game. It was a 11/12 year old kids, so most understood the game. Batter was walked and hustled to 1st base. The catcher had missed the ball and was not really watching and the Batter/Runner noticed so he took off for 2nd base. Catcher saw (with his coach yelling at him) what was happening. Attempted a throw to 2nd that got by the Short Stop covering 2nd base. With the ball going into the outfield the Batter/Runner starts to advance to 3rd. Center fielder makes a bad throw to 3rd and this allows the Batter/Runner to attempt to advance to Home. He beats the throw/tag and scores the run.
Granted this was Little League and 11/12 year old players, but the Batter/Runner, the Catcher, the Short Stop all made the league All-Star team that year (about 30 years ago). That group of kids in a field of 16 teams advanced to the Quarter Finals, which was one of the best showings for the league in a very long time.
This is definitely a set play. We did this play in high school. We also did a play where if you walked a runner on 3b, take your walk and take off for second when you were about 15 feet away.
I love this
In the film Little Big League a team runs a play similar to this.
With R3 the batter walks and runs full board to 2nd base.
On a walk, the ball is live
In our 8th grade fast-pitch softball league we used to do this stuff in basically every game. If the pitcher, catcher, or whoever with the ball wasn't paying attention looking away from us we would start the old walking slowly towards the next base trick and the opposing infielders would freeze for 4 or 5 seconds in confusion, then we would run like hell to second or home. I don't remember us ever getting thrown out because the thrower would either be too late or miss out of panic. Always hilarious.
Great heads up by that baserunner, when you realize no one is paying attention, you have to take advantage of that. It's just good old fashioned softball/baseball.
Cool! My cousin used to be captain of USC's Softball team! What year was this video recorded?
Thats so heads up. And yes… this has been done in the MLB.
What a great play
All the credit belongs to the runner on 2nd. The player on third didn’t have the view that the runner on 2nd had of the pitch. She had to wait for the call of the pitch and therefore hesitated rather than running like the other runner who had a clear view of the obvious ball call. Also she picks up the pace as she rounds third when the pitcher has turned her back. Heads up play!
Not a set play. The runner from third was shocked to see her after they scored and bumped into one another.
Yeah i notice the reaction too. The runner on 3rd had it on her mind from the jump, that’s why she got that giant jump. I thought the runner on 3rd kinda waited on the runner from 2nd to sort of blend in like antonelli said, but maybe not.
I saw even worse than this in a high school game, 40 ish years ago. 2nd base tried to steal home after a bases loaded walk, catcher missed it, tried to throw out the runner going to second, he missed it, center fielder tried to throw out walked batter going to 3rd, went way over their head, walked batter trotted into home. A walk led to 4 runs. Never seen anything even close ever since. It was my high school and I played baseball but was out due to a shoulder injury. We still won that game 11-7 and was only 1 of 3 wins we had that year. ( we stunk compared to all the other teams )
I forgot to mention, the guy on second was our fastest player and he had done it before.
I saw one last summer when there were runners on 2nd and third. A walk occurred, and the runner from third came home like she was entitled to it. Nobody realized that with no runner on first that she wasn’t until it was all over.
This happens on our team quite often. Look up Arkansas Thunder Softball.
This reminds me of the Chinese speed skater who kinda did the same thing. That's a cool video. She laps the field then hangs at the back of the pack.
I would imagine it has worked in baseball, but it would be very legal. Something kind of similar happened in a Blue Jays vs Mariners game a few years ago. Jose Bautista walked, when he got to first base he saw that nobody was paying attention so he ran to second. The ball is live and players can advance until the umpire calls time and they do not call time on a walk.
My sons high school team pulled something similar off but it wasn’t a designed play there were guys on 1st and 2nd and the batter walked the players have always been told to hustle to the bases even on a walk well the guy from second got to third and the pitcher was walking back to the mound not looking so the runner ran home.
I graduated high school back in 03 but we did have a play like this drawn up and did it in practice but never used it in a game, it was boys baseball.
I've seen players take second on a walk because the defense wasn't paying attention, so it would make sense that a baserunner at second could take home on a walk. Still, it's a bold move and might only work if the other team is distracted and you have a fast runner on second.
Kudos to the team that pulled this off though. Very impressive!
A friend of mine coaches and when a kid hit a ground ball to second, she beat the throw and didn’t stop. By the time she got halfway between second and third, only then the other team’s coaches started yelling “pitcher! Pitcher!” It was hilarious and I had never seen anyone so brazen on the paths. They won the game because of this. The first baseman was dumbfounded standing there holding the ball and didn't know what to do.
Offense has their heads in the game; defense is out to lunch. When you make a mistake (such as walking in a run), don't give up--minimize the damage. What were the pitcher and catcher expecting to see in the out field? I had the good fortune of watching an elementary school league coach. He taught his players to always be thinking about what might happen next. Before the pitch is even thrown, What am I going to on a fly to center? What am I going to do on a grounder to the SS? In this case, the pitcher and catcher should have been thinking about the runner on second. Thanks for sharing this one!
No - I've never seen that before - heads up play - wow.
The key to this play is that the runner from 2nd does not stop at third. If she had stopped at third, she is out on this play because of the look back rule. Further, it's probably also significant that she had reached third by the time the pitcher had the ball in the circle.
We ran something similar to this at my high school in the 90s
I've seen this in softball. Good scouting IMO. Probably the pitcher regularly turns away after a frustrating walk and the opposition was aware and expecting the opportunity, Second base runner was watching for the throw back to the pitcher and her response. Maintaining control of your emotions is such a useful skill in so many sports.
Closest I've seen was a little league all-star game in Virginia where a kid on 2B scored on a walk. He jogged to 3B and saw the opposing coach approach the mound to talk to his pitcher -- and catcher,. However, the coach forgot to call for time. Runner saw the catcher vacate the plate and jogged all the way home. The only person who realized what happened was the umpire at home -- both sets of fans looked around like "what just happened? "
We do this on a walk to first in our 10u games. Batter walks to first and if the middle infielders aren’t paying attention the base coach will send him. I have watched a 9u pitcher jump up and down on the mound in a cartoon rage because he sees the runner but the shortstop is asleep out there.
I was assisting in a 12 year old girls tournament. The opposing team never stopped running on a walk. You had to physically get the ball to the leading base to stop them. A typical walk to first required you get the ball to second base.
Good 3rd base coaching.
Awesome
So when would the play end, and the runners have to stay at their base before the next pitch?
I had this happen to me as a catcher in little league. Passed ball or wild pitch, don't remember. I was PISSED, "They can't do that!" Ump calmly told me I need to call time to stop it from happening. I called time after every passed ball for the rest of the game.
You should totally run the play! (Find out if the other team watches your channel!)
Now that is heads up ball...
Well, I actually did this once in little league. Bit different scenario though. The catcher was holding the ball after a walk talking to the pitcher and was just sort of drifting out toward the mound like he was about to throw the ball (arm cocked). I took a wide turn as I hit third and just started walking down the baseline. Got about halfway and just went for it. Catcher never threw the ball but I dove in right under his tag. Had to eat some dirt to make it (the only head first slide of my little league 'career' and I think they are now banned at that level).
yup this work no time out that play is live good awareness for them girls and got two runs!
Not sure on the big field, but we did similar in baseball all the time! But we didn't do this exact thing.
It's still a live ball after a walk. My grandson's bb opponent usually has the the walked player advance to second because no one is playing attention.
At 0:16 of video you'll notice runner at second base leaves bag at exact instant pitcher starts motion to plate. I've been called out for exact same thing leaving base too early. Ump told me I was supposed to wait until batter swings at pitch.
Believe it or not, runners advancing on walks in women's/girl's softball is not all that uncommon. But usually not at this high level of college ball. I had this play happen a week ago in a lower level college event I've been working but there were runners on 2nd & 3rd only. Batter walked and trotted towards 1st, pitcher watched her and both runners advanced. Catcher finally yelled to throw home and when she did the BR went towards 2nd. Catcher got the ball late and threw to 2nd so the runner now on 3rd came home. SS threw home and BR who had advanced to 2nd not ran to 3rd. In the end 2 runs scored and batter who walked wound up on 3rd. Crazy stuff.
I always thought ( in softball) when the pitcher had the ball and in the circle that play was dead.
We used that as a set play in the little league team I coached. I can’t recall that it ever failed.. however, I did get a verbal reprimand from the local LL organizers who felt it was a cheap way of scoring and not within the “spirit” of Little League. Oh well..
I umpire baseball and have done a little youth softball, so the look back rule intrigues me here. P had the ball in the circle before R2 gets to 3B. Is R2 allowed to advance? Also, if P had noticed R2 after she rounded 3B, is R2 committed to go home or can she retreat to 3B after a couple steps toward home.
I saw it one time in select ball. The catcher put the ball down during the walk, and the second scorer thought he wasn’t paying attention, and he was picked off at home.
Also, concerning the play in the video, the only note for the runner from second is to run just a little slower. If the runner trots towards home like it's a normal play, the defense might not notice the trickery. She didn't sprint, which was a good idea. Whether it was a designed play, or heads up base running, it was well executed. It never would have occurred to me, because I thought the ball was dead after ball four, so what the Hell do I know.