The Non-dual Misconception
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This was always the dilemma I had with modern spiritual teachers (such as Rupert), whose knowledge and experience with awareness and inner peace I certainly respect and recognize. The absolute separation of body and mind and the absolute 'certainty' that consciousness is the universal basis of all that exists (where all that exists, the world, is only an illusion. As I prefer to say: not the world is an illusion, but our perceptions are an illusion. Plato has already stated this clearly.
When you are in that oneness state it feels so real that the everyday reality feels like a dream by comparison.
Yea but I don't know if it is right to base our understanding of reality on mystical experiences. I have had experiences of oneness and love but I question myself when I try to paint whole of reality with the few experiences I had it seems like iam just forcing myself to make sense.
@@viktorvaughn1079 yet you believe all the other crap your mind tells you everyday
It's like Brian said: everybody has to find out for himself (or herself).
I don't know if Robert is familiar with Bernardo Kastrup, but, he can and does explain, using scientific reasoning, that materialism is baloney and that consciousness and mind is primary.
I have read Kastrup. He believes what he believes. The arguments came later. The results of reasoning are not facts but opinions backed up by logic.
Robert, thank you for your insight. As an avid reader of Nisargadatta I was uncomfortably convicted by your perspective. I think the desire to “end suffering” is strong in me. I would like to imagine that this tendency could also be a source of suffering when held as an edict. I would imagine “the search for remedies” can become just another abstraction. Any thoughts? Thank you for sharing❤❤❤
I have spoken about this a lot, John. Since you are aware of my channel now, check out some of the earlier stuff. Briefly, suffering (psychologically) is the feeling that something needs to happen or that something needs to change.
Be well.
Nisargadatta actually goes beyond the concept of consciousness.. The title of one book is 'Prior to Consciousness' just for starters.. And if read correctly A Course In Miracles does the same even though most students miss that minor detail.
you cant get beyond consciousness. or else its unconscious haha
@@mikelisteral7863consciousness is an illusion?
Enjoy Robert’s perspective. I’m not able to “get” non duality except in a poetic sense.
the only thnig that exists is consciousness which is non dual
What does the term 'tantric' actually mean? I understood it is an appreciation that things are NOT separate? Tantric therefore is saying that there is just a seeing that all there is, is What Is? Am I in agreement with you Robert then?
I'm curious about your opinion of Intelligent Design.
There is no evidence for it and a mountain of evidence for evolution by natural selection.
intelligence doesnt exist. only eternal patterns eternally changing
@@RobertSaltzman evolution just means gradual change.
but gradual change of what and by what?
there is no evidence for matter
@@mikelisteral7863 Nonsensical.
@@eskede4733 relative to what? your brainwashing?
Perhaps not elimination of suffering but reduction in intensity and duration. Instead of “I am anger or I am frustrated,” the sense of anger or frustration arises. Treating it more like an object. Emotions are real but not correct. LOL. IMHO, most psychological suffering results from identifying with our illusionary Ego.
Carey, despite the claims of "spiritual" teachers, ego is not "illusionary." It is what is meant every time one utters words such as "I" or "me." That is about as real as it gets.
@@RobertSaltzman , it seems that Seeing, Hearing, and Thoughts arising requires no effort. No “me or I” doing it, no mini-me inside my head. Looking for the Seer or Thinker, I find No One, Robert. Still, I claim no Truth, except perhaps curiosity. Lol. Perhaps I am equating self and ego as synonyms. Also, I appreciate your videos, book, and commentary.
Who is it that wants to reduce suffering?
@@RobertSaltzman , (in response) back to the illusionary self/ego that has convinced the Mind that it is real. Every interaction, thought, memory is experienced in Consciousness. The sense of self or ego is another thought/ story arising from our minds, and presented in our consciousness. Awareness is aware of itself, not as a self but awareness. I’m not committed to this. Lol. Just trying to understand the dis-ease of the human condition.
Understood.
For me, the words "experienced in Consciousness" are problematical. As I see it, "Consciousness," particularly with a capital "C" is not a "thing" like a container in which experience takes place. Experience is all that we have to go on and what you all calling consciousness IS experience. There is no separation. They are one and the same.
What you are calling consciousness is nothing more than experiences of all kinds, which keep arising in different aspects unless you become unconscious, which means no experiences are arising.
Without experiences, there iS no consciousness. Any split between experience and myself or between experience and consciousness is purely conceptual
Awareness being aware of itself is a strange idea, as I see it. One may have that as a concept, but not in fact. Myself IS experience. No experience, no myself. Awareness is just another name for all that, in my view.
Myself is one experience after another. What can possibly stand outside of all that being aware of that? If you say something does, how do you know that? In order to know that, you would have to be AWARE of it, so then you require awareness being aware of awareness being aware, and after that, it's turtles all the way down.
I highly recommend you read Douglas Hofstadter's book, I Am a Strange Loop.
If you can. let's have this conversation in the Depending On No-thing Facebook group where other minds can chime in.