Neil Druckmann explains The Last of Us Part 2 Ending and it's Real meaning - Director's Commentary
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Ellie left to find a left handed guitar
And a pick because she can't fingerstyle besides just strumming
@@Savage_Alex121watch letsplayguitar. He played fingerstyle with only three fingers.
Really hoping they actually do this in a pt3.
Nice idea, but I doubt she’d replace Joel’s handmade guitar.
@@ThatFont she could just re string it
4:30- Their mention of eye contact really explains why this line hits as hard as it does. Their awkward avoidance leading up to this moment makes Joel's doubling down land with way more emotional weight.
And how Joel was leaning on the railing, but then stood up when saying he'd do it all over again. He was literally standing up for himself.
that's a reoccurring theme i never picked up un before the commentary
There are parts of life where both losers win, and parts where both winners lose, and all the permutations in between…
@@_essence_07 And then when she says she doesn't know if she can forgive him, he immediately leans back down. He absolutely doesn't regret saving her and would do it again, but he also knows it will destroy him if he doesn't forgive him for it. Even knowing that, he'd still do it again. He's willing to be broken for her to have a chance to be whole.
god troy baker’s performance as joel is just amazing
thats my main issue with the HBO show, Pedro pascal is good and all but he just cant reach the PEAK of Troy, he´s on another level.
@@norekificationbub, Pedro CANNOT just mimic Troy’s acting. He has to play Joel without copying.
@@rafaelarcas942 i know, but even doing his own thing, i think its just not as well excecuted, mind you this is all very subjective but for me, but even de ps3 cutscenes hit harder than everything Pedro Pascal tried, except for 1 scene, The part when he reunites with tommy and breaks telling him he cant do it, was really really good in my opinion, but to be fair, that wasnt in the game so mi point still stands lol.
@@norekification well, it doesn’t have to be fully accurate either.
@@rafaelarcas942 yeah i get it, the hbo show isnt bad by any means, for me, its just not as good in performance as the game, thats all.
“Our relationship was never fixed”
OUR
I love how much she’s embodied Ellie and how close she is to the characters story 😖
Pretty certain the “our” meaning Joel and Ellie.
Yes. And she says OUR instead of THEIR, meaning she sees herself as part of that relationship/character.
@@plasticcheese7068 I interpreted it more as, OUR as in including the players (thus herself when she lives the scene as a player herself even though she wrote it), cause ultimately you are put in the shoes of the characters as a player.
I always assumed the flashing up of Joel right before she decided not to kill Abby indicated that she wasn't doing it for Abby. She was doing it for Joel.
When Abby killed Joel, Ellie had just started trying to forgive him, and she felt Abby had robbed her of the chance to complete that process. That lack of closure is the real reason she wanted to kill her. She sensed that if she couldn't forgive Joel, she could just kill Abby, and maybe that would give her closure.
But in the moment of being about to kill her, she realises that killing Abby doesn't change anything; Joel is still dead, and it's still just as hard to forgive him. But she also realises that Joel being dead doesn't mean she can't still forgive him.
So, I believe the decision not to kill Abby represents her finally letting go and forgiving Joel.
It's also possible she never wanted to kill her. She just wanted her to suffer and know she could have killed her.
You just explained what all the haters utterly fail to understand about this game 😂.
Perfectly put.
I've been saying this for years and they called me a madman. Thank you good sir for getting across what I could not
@@GabrielDunacea3089If people “failed” to understand it as you’ve stated then that means the story did a bad job at laying out those themes and points. It shouldn’t take a director commentary or for the writers to explain what happened so it can make sense. If it gets to that point then the writers failed
@@soyspicepod1547 except the game didn't do a bad job of it. Plenty of people, including myself, understood that while we were playing the game. If others didn't, that's on them.
I need the hug version pronto.
It would probably be more consistent with the characters and make more sense... But as they mentioned, they kind of had this pattern of just going with whatever would be more emotionally corrosive, rather than what these characters would more likely do.
Still can't believe how many things thia story made me feel. Love it
She really did lose absolutely everything in the end, she could not even play the song that Joel taught her anymore... so sad
Wdym? Every part of the game is just sad, disappointing or surprise death?..
Compare those emotions to the first game. Realize how much more positivity and hope the first story had lmao
@@andrewstephens5885 literally everyone praising this game is just confused with their own emotions, it made them feel something so they think it’s powerful they just don’t realize the only thing it’s making them feel is disappointment and sadness.
@@andrewstephens5885 Part 2 just got worse and worse as far as the situation went, so depressing but awesome game
for me the waterworks started when Joel said that "all over again" line. is like everything TRULY was for a reason, even if that reason is as simple as just being alive. very powerful, and very beautiful at the same time.
Whoa I just now realized that the coffee traders were who told Abby's group about Joel being in Jackson
"Traded his soul for coffee"
Edit: ok I misunderstood Neil talking about the coffee. I haven't played the game story in a few years. I got the remaster but I'm having more fun playing No Return than I would replaying the story
I don’t think so. They came through Jackson the week before Joel’s death, so there wouldn’t have been enough time for them to inform Abby and for her to travel all the way there
@@nou1186maybe. It's not that far by horse. It's not cross country
Abby is looking for Tommy to ask about Joel, she finds his location from some fireflies that come to Seattle. She doesn't expect to run into Joel in Jackson.
As the above comment said, Abby didn't even know Joel was in Jackson. They were looking for Tommy.
Also, we see from the flashback "4 months earlier" when Abby tells Owen about Tommy being in Jackson. We can assume by that math that the trip there took roughly 2 months, Joel said those traders came through "last week"
@@carl_consumer.of.reality assume....
gaming as a medium hasn't explored negative emotions the way TLOU 2 has. It is important when you're playing a game to let the story play out. A lotta players saw that joel died and to them that was the only premise of the game. Everyone that finished the game was just mentally drained and felt really shitty after playing it, except some people understood that thats how you were supposed to feel and some thought it was a sign that they hated the game. it's a shame that emotionally immature people failed to connect with the story. This game will do so much better as a show
Totally agree with you, although I will say that plenty of emotionally mature people also didn't like a lot about the way things played out, and it sucks to be lumped in with the people who yap on about Abby and blah blah blah etc. You are allowed to fully understand all the aspects of the game and still not have completely enjoyed it.
great take! I've seen some people on Twitter/X say things like "oh Ellie killed 1000 people to get to Abby and now she stops. that's stupid" what would the gameplay loop be then? would she sit down with scars and WLF and have a peaceful dialogue about her feelings?
the other popular one is that all this revenge was "for nothing" and it is as you say, emotionally immature people that didn't understand what this game is trying to tell us or the multiple things it is trying to tell us.
My interpretation of all of this is Ellie went down the path of revenge due to not only this abnormal sense of justice coupled with PTSD. We saw what revenge did to Abby and her squad. They are haunted by the visions of what they did to Joel, the cruelty of it all. Some try to rationalize it and say he got what he deserved but you can tell these people are now broken. What would've happen to Ellie if she concluded her revenge?
Ellie is already haunted by the killing of a pregnant woman and her unborn child. She will never get rid of this stain. Does she need any more stains in her humanity by killing a weakened, starved, desperate Abby that right now has a single focus :get to the fireflies, take Lev somewhere safe.
By sparing Abby she can still hold on to a spark of hope and humanity as said in the commentary track, and that she can be better.
By sparing Abby she also gives the remaining Fireflies incredibly trained and capable assets in Lev and Abbie herself, even if she did so unknowingly. Any good consequences of your actions, are more impactful if you don't know of them.
Giving someone a helping hand could result in that someone doing the same for someone else, whereas if you are cruel you'll continue this cycle of cruelty.
Ellie "won" by breaking this cycle of cruelty and that gives me hope for her and for Abby.
@@bonny-at-mornThis doesn’t sound like a take from an emotionally mature person-not to make fun of you or anything.
@ThatFont I'm not sure why? I admit my phrasing about people who 'yap on about Abby etc' wasn't very eloquent but it was very early in the morning.
@@bonny-at-mornThank you for voicing us we do exist. Tlou2 discourse is filled with polarized opinions and extremists 😂😂😂
Never been as emotionally impacted by a story as I was with The Last of Us Part II.
I know a lot of people hate on Neil but I appreciate that he usually gives credit to other people for their amazing work and doesn’t just compliment himself. Since a lot of people assume he has some large ego.
He's just confident in what he does. I applaud him. If someone can't accept a person confident in their work, then to me you're just not confident in yourself in the first place.
Where's the credit for Bruce Straley? Without Bruce, Neil is nothing but a hack
People need to find someone to blame because they didn't like the way the story went so they attack Neil and make up bullshit stories and spread misinformation like the bullshit self insert shit that can be refuted in a 30 second google search. If you actually listen to Neil talking, he always mentions how collaborative the process is and how many people work together to make such a massive project.
@@MM-hi exactly hardly a one man show, his ideas are there but the script gets moulded through many iterations by many involved.
Nah, Neil only compliments his subordinates because they followed HIS Vision to the letter.
It's nice to hear Ashley talk about Ellie's character. Kinda gives me this soothing scenario that Ellie is reevaluating her life choices lmao
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
@@MaxRamos8So you want a watered down and less emotional version of what we actually got? Ellie staying at the farm isn’t really closure to the game since we got context clues that she wasn’t happy there anyway. It made sense she went after abby one last time.
@@MaxRamos8 I think you glossed over a lot of crucial things in the story.
PTSD was hitting Ellie pretty hard. Tommy staying latched onto it but being maimed didn't help her move forward after Seattle when he came to ask her to go out and look for Abby again.
She couldn't sleep, she couldnt live properly.
Having a multiple choice sequence would have destroyed the essence. Otherwise we would've been able to do that the whole game despite the gameplay itself.
Plus just staying on the farm?
Really?
Kinda makes Ellie look like a pushover entirely, like none of what happened or what Joel did mattered to her.
@@MaxRamos8 That would've likely ended with Ellie killing herself because of her PTSD.
From the way druckman is talking about the future of ellie and the the game ending on a hopeful note it looks like part 3 is gonna be about ellie's redemption, at least i hope it will be
and hopefully Abby’s continued redemption, or at least looking at how she’s handling the burden of responsibility for her friends and the WLF
Abby doesn't need a redemption
Abby doesn't need a redemption
Abby doesn't need a redemption
Abby doesn't need a redemption
This game fucked me up so hard damn...I need a part III
We aint ready for it, I’m telling you
Maybe not a good idea.
If there ever is a Part 3 i hope it's not for several more years. Let them cook, cuz it has to be good
@@carl_consumer.of.reality You argument is …..logical.
same I cant get over it
Thank you - this is one of few AAA games that takes on tropes of punishment in a serious way. No wonder it made many people mad - but I am old enough to appreciate the way the story flows.
without editing - I would replace 'punishment ' with 'revenge'
@@buttercup9884 I wouldn't replace Punishment with Revenge. Revenge is too much of a broad topic, to the point where it's surface level. You were spot on with punishment in my opinion
I don't like this point of view, with all deal respect. This is the kind of view that states "This is a master piece, so if you don't like it, it means you don't understand it. If you don't understand it, it means you still need to grow up".
People's arguments against the plot isn't only around Joel's death. It involves so many things.
Just to make things clear, I'm saying this not because I hate the game, but because both parts have good reasons.
The people who get mad at this game still bought it, still played it a lot, bought the remaster, played that, too, and... Best part coming up, Naughty Dog happily collected their money so they can make more games people will hate and still buy
No it made people made because the story was jumbled up.
The GOAT game imo, a true masterpiece of visual storytelling
Oh, man, what a game...
A masterpiece, a work of art.
I'm still hoping Naughty Dog do a Part 3. I think it deserves a well rounded trilogy and I absolutely think it should be a story of Ellie's redemption.
But in true Naughty Dog fashion they always cook up something we never think of so who knows what they are gonna do.
A Masterpiece?Don't say that in public bro haters are so sensitive and they will get triggered
I think both games end in a way that works as a conclusion to the whole story but I also believe that TLOU deserves what Uncharted got: a game that was designed from beginning to end to be the final one like A Thief's End.
@@minthantswe8552 Honestly screw them. They Certainly can hate it all they want. But for those that enjoy it, we can certainly LOVE it just as much.
Stop smoking crack 😂. All the previous naughty dog games weren't directed by cuckman and you can see that in user feedback and how praised the games were. Now that the only director was cuckman and the previous ones og ones he did his stupid revenge story that he wanted to do on the first last of us but was stopped by the lead directors because it wasn't feasible and they sure were right. I can tell you didn't play their previous games and have no idea about naughty dog and what happened to them since uncharted 4 released.
@@minthantswe8552if you’re scared of people this bad you need therapy i promise nobody irl gives a fuck
I wish playing the game actually made me feel the way the directors/actors talk about this game. This game keeps falling flat for me whenever I play it, but I want to feel the same way others do about this game, I just can't seem to feel it.
Maybe IQ is the problem haha
@@juanche978 Or maybe just maybe it is a badly paced story. I fully understand and can appreciate what the directors and actors are trying to do with this game, but I didn't get that understanding from the game itself. It only comes from the many videos out there of people explaining how they feel about the game. But judging by your response you don't care about any of that. Just projecting your insecurities onto others on the internet.
@@linknlogs2273 It's not an insecurity, it was just a joke
@@juanche978 What a mature response on the Internet.
@@itsasquid It was just a joke xD
I think we all got it wrong on what the game was supposed to be.
We all thought it was a revenge story, when in reality it was a forgiveness story.
It hit me when on Abby's side you get the background on the Seraphites attacking again and Abby going "yeah they shot us we shoot them", only for her at the end to be like "we need to stop the fighting and just live altogether".
Even her main motivation was first Owen and then it changes to actually helping others like Lev, not just being selfish trying to be with someone that clearly was playing with her and Mel.
They still did Joel dirty, no way around it
I think a larger portion of those who enjoyed the game have always understood it was a story about forgiveness. It's just the vocal minority who choose to not play the whole game but still speak on it.
@@sk8ermGsand Joel did her Father dirty. Such is the cycle.
@@yungsteezy Yeah but who’s Abby’s dad ? That’s right nobody cares.
@@yungsteezy plus they were about to murder a child against her will, cycle you say ? 🤣
Given all of the clues, including from the deleted scene at the farm at the end of the game, It seems obvious that she has, at the very least, had contact with Dina in Jackson before coming back to the farm one last time. She certainly did not come directly to the farm from Santa Barbara. She had clean clothes and her fingers had been healing for a while. She was also wearing Dina's bracelet, which she had not been wearing in Santa Barbara, so where else could it have come from? As for the deleted scene, she picked up Ollie (JJ's stuffed elephant toy) and put it in her backpack. Why would she do that if she didn't intend to give it to JJ when she went back to Jackson.
Part III could very well start back in Jackson, showing what happened between Ellie and Dina before the ending scene in Part II. Both Part I and Part II started out with flashbacks from before the actual game started and Part III will probably do the same thing. Part II made you think that Ellie had lost everything due to her actions, but they also left several clues, which I mentioned, that show that she may in fact have not lost absolutely everything.
Hopefully, all of the speculation and theories will be answered in Part III. I, for one, cannot wait to play it when it comes out. I love BOTH of the first two games in the series, and am looking forward to the third one.
PART 3 PLEASE I WANT IT
Probably wont be for another decade.
Apparently it'll come out in 2026 but take it with a grain of salt!
Sit down lmao
I need it! Part 3
GTA 6 is gonna be out by the time that comes out
Part I was all about love, at least so they say, Part II was all about forgiving the unforgivable and i'd like to believe that Part III will be all about redemption, for both the main characters. Abby & Ellie gaining redemption while guiding Ellie to the last existing outpost of the Fireflies, where Ellie makes the ultimate sacrifice giving her life for a pandemic's cure and Abby fulfilling her father's task. That's exactly what i'd very much like to experience at the end of this absolute rollercoaster of emotions & as conclusion to this unrivaled piece of art, ending a well rounded trilogy.
One of the things that really makes me happy to hear in that Neil has stated that he isn't going to even start working on the game until the story line is fully developed and meditated. He has stressed that he isn't going to let the third game be made poorly and he will only go on through once he's convinced it's the maximum exponent of the games potential which we can all agree is high.
I honestly trust him and Naughty Dog to make really good story line but at the same time hope the following events happen:
Storie Wise:
- Dina/JJ & Ellie reconciliation
- Tommy & Ellie make amends regarding Ellie letting Abby go
- Abby Catalina Island sequence (That's where she supposedly goes to find the fireflies)
- Abby/Lev and Ellie come across each other at some point of the game
- Battle of Jackson(Jackson had shown so much potential in the last game and should get some form of battle or showdown at some point of the game)
- Ellie's quest to find the last remaining fireflies
- Abby's quest to make it up for the fireflies & his dad's legacy
- A final closing to the series where Ellie does or not end up sacrificing herself for humanity (ill hope Naughty Dog will do a good job at that)
- A final sequence where Joel's old broken watch starts to tick again symbolising the cycle is once and for all finally at peace (I got this from someone else)
New Additions:
- New forms of infected
- New factions
- Even better combat than it already is (hopefully a bit more of variety)
I highly agree 😉
Call me crazy but it’s funny because I thought the 2nd game was gonna end like this you know? I was just there like ‘Ellie’s gonna find out about Abby searching for the remainder of the fireflies and she’s just gonna go with her to make the ultimate sacrifice as you say’
The ending of the game perfectly sets up a trilogy though
They needed stuff for a transition to Part III and i do not blame them for doing so. A game of that quality being told like this, where I'll be emotionally completely wasted at the end 😅 may gladly have another round with a triumphant finale.
Slight problem, in the end that sacrifice would have been for nothing. There is no way that she could provide enough cure for the entire world, not to mention how in the heck that they think that they would distribute this cure all around the world without one of the many factions just killing them outright and taking the cure for themselves.
In the context of the game, there is no way that the world will ever be able to get back to normal. It's too bad that Ellie was unable to figure this out before lashing out at Joel as his decision saved her from what would have been a useless death that, in the end, would have solved nothing.
I played the first game many times but played the second game just once. Never have I felt so empty and defeated as when I finished Part II. I was like what's the point. The game makes you feel so depressed. If that is what they were going for it was executed perfectly.
Strangely I was the opposite. I couldn't face playing the first game more than once, despite loving it. The second game hit even harder but I have played it multiple times (after a few days of recovering from the story).
@@dorkangel1076 same. i was utterly destroyed by part ll, still am sometimes, but i found the ending hopeful. ellie starting to let go and heal was my instant interpretation. leaving the guitar was like she was leaving behind the hate and pain that killed her internally. like she was willing to at least try to live. irl people lose what gave them motive, purpose and happiness all the time, so there was something incredible about watching ellie still go on after all she'd went through.
The main driving force for Ellie's self-hatred comes from not reconciling with Joel during this scene. She is crushed by guilt for holding onto her grudge for too long. But it was just too hard for her to give up-- she wanted Joel to ache like she ached. And it went too far and she never got the chance to make it right. Her anger exploded.
I always get goosebumps when i hear beyond desolation. The game is really sad but it's a masterpiece!! 😭❤️
can you post the one where ellie leaves dina?
where can you find the documentary again??
Was there one for the nora section and owen and mel's death?
When I first played the game, what stood out to me about the last scene was that Ellie could no longer play guitar, as well as the painful loss of Dina and Potato, the high price she paid for vengeance.
But when I replayed the remastered version, what really stood out to me at the end was that if Ellie never goes to Santa Barbara, Abby and Lev both die, and Ellie never gets closure.
I know they were going for the anti-vengeance/anti-violence theme, and it does succeed in that, but by writing it the way they did, Ellie absolutely had to go, and good for Abby and Lev that she did.
Can’t believe what they did to Tommy hope he turns out better in part 3 same goes for Ellie and her ptsd
a big point of part 2 is showing the consequences to actions. they shouldn't undo what they've lost but i'd love to see them learn to be happy in the bed they made for themselves
Ellie should at least be on a better path now, similarly how Abby got on a better path after helping Lev & Yara.
@@Dark__Thoughts JJ will probably be her lev
@@jackedup3405 Nah. I actually think JJ will be a reason why Ellie will pursue a path to her becoming the cure again, on her own terms this time, potentially even joining the Fireflies herself and take on some sort of leader role.
yeah, i couldnt imagine the ending any other way. This scene is perfectly placed
Sooo important scene! Love the acting of both of them! They're the best!
I will always love this masterpiece of storytelling. TLOU truly is a bonafide work of art which transcends its medium. A million times bravo to the whole creative team behind it.
Whoa, easy there, Ebert.
@@amazingdanyWhat does he mean to say is: "Bazzinga"
Kinda looks like the guitar is Joel watching her from the window
the fact that a video game got a directors commentary is such a testament to the quality of the story, writing, and acting.
I think that this game is aging like fine wine honestly in the fact that I'm only appreciating it more as time goes on.
They mention Joel being able to move past his atrocities, but we also in real time see Abby move past them.
The difference with Ellie is her pain is fresh. She was still processing at the same time as she sought revenge.
It’s amazing that she was able to pull herself out of that final act in the mental and physical state she was in.
It’s a beautifully tragic story. And this bit makes me wonder if the follow up might be about acceptance and forgiveness of one’s terrible deeds. It would be interesting to follow Abby and Ellie again to see them at different parts of that same journey, and see if they their paths cross again if they can grow together and maintain those paths… or if humanity continues to get the better of them. Also, to see Ellie reflect on Joel and still learn how to move forward through his memory.
This scene is so powerful because we are both Joel in terms "what we will do for love and integrity" and Ellie of "not having control in love and love taken too soon". That the point of playing Abby. We all are the characters of TLOUS. Esp releasing in 2020 during the pandemic.
Thats insane. I’m feeling this right now..
i love joel, i am very sad that he is gone. this game has took some risks and was not afraid going with their choices. at the end. i love this game.
I love this series so much. It's crazy the effect theses games had on me
The Rollercoaster of emotions TLOU2 takes you through is outstanding
This might be a stupid question but does anyone know what song she was trying to play of the guitar?
The song Joel played to her in the beginning of the game, the one she struggled to play in the music store
@@RS-bn1ty oh thats cool
I think this game shouldn’t really be framed with these simple dichotomies, like “it’s about revenge”, or “it’s about forgiveness”.
I mean, if you watch this very video, Neil says that when Ellie lets Abby go, it *doesn’t matter* whether Ellie forgave Abby or no. You as the player cannot know - even if Ellie told us explicitly, because people are not robots and are capable of being inaccurate about their feelings too.
Again, it *doesn’t matter*, because she doesn’t let go of Abby based on this simple dichotomy. She does because there is more to life than that act of revenge, as Neil states on this video.
I hate when people try to come up with these simplifications. “It’s a revenge tale”, or “it teaches you to forgive”. There is so much more than these simple statements here. It’s just a demerit to this masterpiece.
Ok, now I need to see the alternate version were they hug! 😭
So emotional sad, i can’t wait for part 3.
I just realised that Joel, even with the very little screen time had his own development in this game and somewhat a continuation and conclusion to his story. He found his love, his purpose at the end of the first game, but still lied to her. He had to come face to face with the lie and find in himself what UNCONDITIONAL love truly means. So we see the development, firstly in the flashback where he still lies to her face, then his hesitation and a big struggle with telling her the truth (maybe his biggest obstacle in himself). Then finally telling her to her face "I would do it all over again." - the truth that is no longer burdened by the fear of loosing her.
Rightly said...it is a story of letting it go. I also loved the fact that he never tried to make Ellie understand why he did that. Because Ellie already knew it and it was also mature of him and it states that he will never be apologetic for that because he believes in what he did and stands by it. He was always afraid to lose her like her daughter and that's why the song future days makes so much sense and when Ellie confronted him and said if you lie to me one more time I am gone but if you tell me the truth I'll go back to Jackson...that gives him a relief that she won't atleast leave him and go. And after few years and after so much burden he finally stands up for himself and says I'll do it all over again. And I think at that point finally Ellie understood...I mean she knew but sometimes you know some things but you don't understand...so she understood what he actually feels and why he did what he did.
@@user-cs6fr9dj4v Yes. Ellie knew. She probably knew from the moment he told her the lie (at the end of the first game). She was broken more by him lying to her, not by his action in the hospital itself - one thing is taking her decision from her (as she said in the TLoU2 ending), second thing and more brutal one is taking her decision from her and lying about it.
Everything hurts 😢
Not the ending the fans wanted, but the ending the story deserved.
Lol no
True
It should have ended with her small family at the farm, we got the point that revenge is not justice, so the story after that is stupid and annoying to me, should have at least given an Option to stay home and move on OR to Leave your family to finish your revenge
@MaxRamos8 you think following revenge at any cost ends on a good note???
The Last of Us is an excersise in realism. Russian authors understand that sometimes the bad guys win or good people become bad and lose everything.
American cinema on the other hand has made people feel that everything needs resolution and it's gotten so bad that people even think their lives should abide by these rules.
In a world like the Last of Us, injustice would be the norm. A lack of resolution would be the norm. What about part 1 where the one brother had to shoot his little brother and then killed himself?
Should they have gotten a happy ending because the death of Joel's daughter already "drove the point home" that it was a bleak world?
No! Ellie grew up with violence and learned how to murder as a child. How would that shape you? If that's how you grew up, how would you then deal with the fact that someone who killed your father figure was still out there?
Ellie couldn't let go of Joel's death and just live a happy life. She wanted that resolution, she was unstable and filled with hatred and regret. People in that situation don't make objective decisions, they fully embrace their shadow (as Jung would put it). And she gets the "win" she defeats Abby. But she stops short of killing her because she sees that Abby is similar to Joel and she would just be taking away Lev's Joel if she did.
But that doesn't magically fix everything, she had to go build things back up from ground zero and that's how life is when you've lost everything.
@@robbiedubbelman3024 exactly she rebuilt her life so to throw it all away again just to finish her revenge is stupid
Exceptional, emotional storytelling - its what makes this game so special and the GOAT, imo.
What about the note from jesses mom and the fact that Ellie wasn’t wearing Dina’s bracket before California but was going back to the farm house
Definitely hits better here at the end. It also adds a lot more meaning to some parts of the scene. Like, when Joel says he would do it all over again, there's this implied question of would Ellie (or the player) go through this whole revenge shit on Abby if they knew where it would lead? Because it seems Joel made some peace with knowing what mattered most, and what mattered most was that Ellie was fine and he could somehow see her happy even if it was from the distance. But to Ellie what mattered most for all of this time was killing Abby and... would she do it all over again?
They could of put both ideas together, they could have gone for a hug, but they were hesitant of hugging.
im guessing thats what it would have been if they did do it honestly
Putting the hug or even attempt would probably give us closure to a series that ultimately opts out of that. Pt1 is a does she really believe the lie and Pt2 is did they really get to reconcile their last moment together
@@theogofguitar exactly
in another interview (I think with kinda funny), neil talked about the hug in more detail. And he did say that it was supposed to be an... awkward, hesitant hug. And then filmed a version without it. and he realized that the one without the hug felt stronger. I believe he said that the hug felt better for the scene, but not having the hug was better for the broader story. they chose to serve the broader story instead. so they did try what you were suggesting.
I NEED THE ONE WHERE THEY HUG PLS NEIL
she's an amazing example of aristotle's tragic hero - a bit like macbeth, a good guy with a fatal flaw that ultimately results in their downfall. hers was seeking revenge against abby, no matter what it took. really one of the best characters ever written, you just have to feel bad for her - that's what a tragic hero is. superb.
Loved this game's story. Kinda goes on too long but not in a bloated sense. When I played the story kept building to narrative climaxes that felt like the final moment but it kept going "but wait, there's more", which led me to progressively get less invested in case it pulled the same move again.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing as subverting the audience's expectation should always be applauded but by the end I like "oh, this is actually the end this time?"
The ending was fine, there was a lot of bloat earlier on in the game imo.
Everyone dies two deaths: physical death and emotional death. Physical death is when your vessel, your body, dies. Emotional death is when everyone who remembers you forgets who you were. The reason why this scene hits so hard is exactly that, and I think people who have experienced losing someone they loved know this feeling deeply. Every time I play through the game and get to this scene I break out in tears because I know exactly what is happening. I think Ellie is out, but who else remembers Joel? His brother, of course.
For the sake of your mental health I’d limit your full playthroughs lol.
@@andrewstephens5885 I play the game because I love the art; every inch could be a painting. The sound design is stellar. I've never felt so on edge and unsafe while playing a video game than I have with this game. There are a ton of reasons why I play this game. In fact this game does explore mental illness, in particular, PTSD, which a great many of the characters have, but is most noticeable in Ellie. But the main reason why I play the game is because it is the only game to ever acknowledge the great burden of loss in such a beautiful and succinct way. This game is beautiful because it is brave and it is raw. It's a modern masterpiece and I hope they make one more to tie up all the loose ends.
Ye it’s one of the best game series of all time. I would expect the third part being about Ellies redemption. I wouldn’t be surprised if she will try find a way to make a cure.
Wouldn't be surprised if her end is a sacrifice to make the cure.
@@meavyhetal Exactly. Red dead redemption is about redemption for bad things that you’ve done. John being killed because of his past action and involvement with the gang. And Arthur changes his mind because of his illness and also seeks redemption. But I think the last of us has a good opportunity to make an even better redemption story since it will have the background of vengeance, lies, forgiveness, survivors guilt and other major consequences of the previous. It’s gonna be epic, I sincerely hope they make a solid part 3 since I do think they have really good opportunities to do so. They better not fuck up the third part because it should be impossible. Redemption stories are great and easy and they have all the ground to work with.
@@meavyhetalThere is a slight problem with that scenario, in the end that sacrifice would have been for nothing. There is no way that she could provide enough cure for the entire world, not to mention how in the heck that they think that they would distribute this cure all around the world without one of the many factions just killing them outright and taking the cure for themselves.
In the context of the game, there is no way that the world will ever be able to get back to normal. It's too bad that Ellie was unable to figure this out before lashing out at Joel as his decision saved her from what would have been a useless death that, in the end, would have solved nothing.
They won’t undo the entire ending of the first game by killing off Ellie for a cure. Naughty Dog is better than that.
@@nou1186 we will see
I love this scene in which they are describing and I'm convinced that Ellie realized what Abby did after she killed Joel, it doesn't bring back who you lost. I'm convinced when you watch that scene play out that the look on Abby's face says "now what?"
Is this commentary from the remaster?
Yes
The writing and acting in this game is unbelievably good!
The Last of Us unequivocally shows us Joel's motivation to save Ellie's life, whether you personally agree with it or not, we all know WHY he did it. The main question of why Ellie spared Abby in the 2nd game remains diluted at best. Here’s the thing, it’s Ellie’s choice to make so I felt quite separated the moment it actually happened and then I personally felt empty after she made the decision not to take Abby’s life. Not because I didn’t understand the decision but because I didn’t know why it was truly being made, the real motivation behind it. I still don’t know the answer to that question as I am left to guess at why. There are WAY too many themes interwoven throughout the game that the answer becomes murky and depends entirely upon your own personal perspective and as the player you project your own personal reason/s onto Ellie as to why she did not go through with killing Abby. I understand that this was the entire point of the game, but this is what made it NOT a bad ending but an incomplete one. I don’t know the driving motivation of Ellie and that’s what makes it feel empty, not the actual decision in and of itself. At first Naughty Dog gave me a very simple and straight forward (black and white) reason for Ellie to kill Abby as she brutally murdered Joel and then at the end of the game provided Ellie’s true motivation for going after Abby and her friends. Then proceeded to give me at least several different competing ideas and/or emotions throughout the game as to why Ellie shouldn’t or wouldn’t kill her. Then Neil Druckman deliberately chose NOT to tell me the deciding factor/s as to why she didn’t. Whether on an emotional and/or intellectual level, how can I empathize with any decision one way or the other when I don’t fully understand the parameters of the actual choice being presented? This is not bad storytelling, it’s LAZY storytelling! Nailing it down on one side of the choice and leaving it openly ambiguous on the other. Telling me why Ellie should kill Abby and then deliberately NOT telling me why she didn’t. It’s as if Naughty Dog is using an age old intellectual and emotional sleight of hand to explain what I consider to be a rather incomplete ending. To me this ineptitude is laid low at the feet of Naughty Dog and specifically Neil Druckman’s direction. They told an incomplete, convoluted, and ultimately messy end game story. From Naughty Dog’s perspective I am willing to concede that they felt like they answered the reason as to why Ellie spared Abby and that I am simply too dimwitted to see it. If that’s the case, then it is my opinion that Naughty Dog did an abysmal job at attempting to show Ellie’s true motivation and therefore the driving force behind her ultimate end game decision. The developers are either deliberately trying to deceive me, or they did a poor job of making it clear. I ultimately believe they are trying to emotionally manipulate the players one way or the other.
I agree wholeheartedly. If you cannot wrap up a story narrative in a general consensus analysis, then you’ve failed telling an understood story.
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🎯
The Most intense gaming experience of my life!
Having the emotional climax of the story be a scene that takes place BEFORE the events of the story begin….. that’s genius and I’ve never seen it done before.
this was such a masterclass in storytelling. i'll die on this hill like ive been dying on it since release day. controversy be damned. this is a visceral f-ing story.
Abby was not satisfied even after killing Joel. She was still restless. She only understood certain things after the boat scene talk between Owen and her and when she started feeling so concerned about Lev an Yara. Otherwise even after killing Joel she use to get bad dreams. In case Ellie killed Abby then also she won't find peace. She has to find a different way to be happy or to live peacefully. She understood that and let go Abby.
Maybe Ellie could as well.
0:40 I know it's bad but i've waited for someone to joke about Django Reinhardt
Why the hell am I watching this when I should be playing and experiencing it. Almost payday homies
i've always found the ending hopeful and the game as a whole more of a pontification on forgiveness and redemption than it is on vengeance. i cannot wait to see how they surprise us and play with the story in the show
"Traded his soul for coffee." If only that were an option.
I played TLOU 2 just one time. I know that exists a message somewhere but it was totally covered with pain. There's no hope. No trust. There's no happiness. No meaning tryin to survive. No winners. In the end you will be alone.
Sounds like you didn't pay attention then. How much of the game was "together we can achieve our goals"? See Abby and Lev, see Ellie and Dina. You can CHOOSE not to be alone and Ellie chose poorly due to her trauma. Even Abby at the end near death still carried Lev.
@@Demios101 In the end they will be gone too. Everything leads to the same place. In a blink you can lose it all
Damn. Now Ellie must learn the guitar left handed.
Leaving the guitar, for me, was no different to Ellie leaving everything else at the ranch; all her stuff’s there, all those symbols of her past, not just trauma triggers but her memories of Joel, her life with with Dina… Ellie can’t carry it all around with her anymore and maybe doesn’t want to try. Where she’s going, we don’t know. All we see is her walking away. What’s interesting is the camera is left in the house, it doesn’t cut to outside. We, the viewer from the window, are being left behind by Ellie and so subconsciously fuse with her forsaken past. The hope comes from the fact she hasn’t decided to give up, she carries on, (rather impulsively, perhaps, without stocking up).
Ultimately it's about forgiving your self. If you can do that, you can start healing.
1) Joel clearly wouldn’t have wanted Ellie to have sacrificed so much of herself, and her own prospects of happiness and contentment, for him. As a parent figure, he’d view the foregoing of vengeance for his death as a sacrifice on his own part, for Ellie. But that’s definitely Today Joel. Saw something drawing a connection about Tommy’s old slow-torturing “of some big FEDRA general” when he had been a younger Firefly as possible vengeance for Sarah’s death. I’m curious now if Joel had *always* been where we saw him, near the end of this game, or if he went through anything as dark and self-destructive as Ellie has, say during the earlier of the first 20 years.
2) Part of me wants to see prequel potential there, a game or dlc of Joel’s darkest, earlier years of the apocalypse.. except enough of that has been implied in the first game, Abby’s life being reoriented to protecting Lev seems intended as an obvious parallel (that she unknowingly found herself in similar circumstances to, even “became”, someone like the target of her hatred for so many years), and that a future chapter of that would be going backwards in terms of the moral of the story, since this Part II has already covered hate and darkness..
One of the greatest stories ever told in a video game! And the game has amazing mechanics too! A whole package of!
*cough red dead redemption 2 cough*
@Ryan-1269 😂🤣😂
Does Ellie understand why joel saves her and soes what he does fully? I know we do, but does his side come into effect in her forgiveness?
I don't think she does because in this part the developers think Joel was a monster for saving her
This final part of the game always make me sad, but was a great way to end the story. Looking forward to play Part III🖤
I still cried watching this scene. The feeling is even more intense with the “creators” interpretation.
Je trouve la fin parfaite.
This ending is a genius strike; idc what anyone says
I wanna see the hug version
"Revenge bad."
True masterpiece!!!
How can people misunderstand something so hard and for so long?
@@FrankieSimonExplain the story in one sentence then, because it’s easy to explain the first game’s narrative.
@@eastwaters4082 What's the point of the exercise? I don't enjoy simplifying my favorite games to one sentence. If someone reduces Bioshock to something like "power corrupts" and then cry about their own stupid simplification, why should I play along? I'm saying that the concept of inventing a stupid two word summary and pretending "you got it" is dumb.
Somebody gotta play Ellie some Django n' Sabbath records, guitar can play with missing fingers.
This game make me feel so much emotion, anger, fear, sadness, .......... its amazing! when i finish it took me like 2 week to recover from it XD
I want so much TLOU3 but... damn the bar is really high! It will be hard to make a game as good or better than the 2
It is even more sad to think that Dina let Ellie’personnal behind because she doesn’t hope for getting her life back with Ellie.
For me, the leaving behind of the guitar has a double meaning. The first, most literal, is that Ellie cannot physically play it any more the way she used to, and so it's no good taking it with her. The other, more subtle meaning is that it's a representation of all the good parts of herself she cut out, the price she had to pay, in order to carry on this mission of revenge to the bitter end. More specifically, this guitar, which has been a representation throughout the game of her connection with, and love for Joel (and which she used to demonstrate her love for Dina, though admittedly that was a different guitar) has been discarded, and in so doing, a link with the person/persons she loved more than anything has been severed.
4:41 "Even if it means I'd lose you." I don't get what Neil is saying here? Joel's line here says exactly the opposite. I would do it all over again TO SAVE YOU.
He's saying even knowing Ellie would resent him, hate him, and cut herself out of his life for saving her, he would still save her because she would be alive and that would be enough for Joel
“Lose her” meaning not having a relationship with her anymore as he’s literally living that exact consequence at the time of the conversation. Think buddy. THINK.
you interpreted that wrong
They said they switched that scene from the mid point to the end but It should have been the mid point it would make more scene for Ellies character.
No it wouldn't, they were right to put it at the ending.
@@itcouldbelupus2842 not to me, at the ending doesn’t make any sense. It’s meaning less
@@thetriborg9588 how is it meaningless?
Why doesn't it make sense?
@@itcouldbelupus2842 let me explain then, it’s at the very last scene of the game. After everything that happened during Ellie’s revenge quest that didn’t end in killing abby. She has a vision of Joel saying that he would do it again and she would try to forgive him? Why didn’t that put up during the middle of the game when she went to get revenge, when she hated joel like not even a chapter before and couldn’t forgive him. That would’ve been a perfect time to put it there. Like, she walks up to his guitar and plays it, that reminds her of that memory where Joel said he would do it again and that Ellie would try to forgive him. Or even better make it so that before Joel died, Ellie starts to forgive him. That shit would make me cry but no it’s meaningless and waste of potential.
@@thetriborg9588 It's meaningful BECAUSE it's the last scene of the game, it's a tragedy bud.
It's most tragic to find out why Ellie went on this revenge quest after we see the tragic results of what Ellie loses on the quest.
You still haven't actually explained why putting it at the end is meaningless to you?
I mean, if you haven't understood it you haven't understood anything, every time I hear arguments about revenge, about what Ellie or Niel Druckman himself should have done I just want to cry with exasperation.
Explain it then
I interpreted the ending of ellie is now truly alone. Her worst fear that she mentioned to sam in the first game has come true because of her own actions. She let vengence and violence rule her and ultimately brought about her worst fear
Cool but it doesn’t have factions so option invalid
I hate watching this scene, im trying not to tear up while I wait for my haircut.
I took the leaving of the guitar as Ellie just accepting everything that happened. She accepts that Joel did what he did. She accepted Abby did what she did and that she's paid the price for that going after abbey and it's time to just move on
No dude I want the version with the hug
You're telling me that Joel didn't play "Helplessly hoping" on purpose on the porch before he had his last talk with Ellie? ;(
"I'm not sure we could get all the way there. They're starting to forgive each other, but they're not all the way there." Agreed.
"Our relationship was never solved. It was never... fixed." Disagreed. I think starting the process of forgiving is the important step. It might take time to fully forgive, but that doesn't mean it never wasn't fixed or solved, it just means it's in the process of being fixed. I think it would be more accurate to say it wasn't *fully* fixed.