Billion Dollar Company Steals From YouTuber
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This poor Zack guy. First a bigger company steals his phone case design, and then Mogul Mail steals his video.
Spreading awareness, showing support. I would not know about this, if not because of mogul mail. I would say there's benefit and I can understand your pov. If this is just a sarcasm, I'm not a fun guy to be with at a party then. Haha sorry.
@@HeatKaiC XD
@@HeatKaiC As a fellow unfunny sarcasm missing person i can relate to this
you're funny!
@@HeatKaiC woooosh
sorry you’re still in France, hope things get better soon 🫶🏼
@@MrDJ2007if only
least he’s not in Germany or the UK
TRUE hahahaha
@@beans00001nah France is worse
Ew. Ze French 🐸
Buying his new line and immediatly getting rid of your castify case is a chad moment my guy. Much respect
I said the exact same thing. Ludwig seems like a genuinely good dude
That's literally the only way this will ever benefit Zack.
Casetify has already made $$ on the cases and it's not like they're going to issue refunds so buyers can instead purchase legitimate designs.
Casetify capitalized, and the only recuperation likely is if consumers do exactly what what done here and buy another case from Zack/Debrand
Some creators would double down and back their brand partnerships in these situations. Mad respect for calling out wrongdoing and holding brands accountable.
was gonna comment this exact thing. sponsors make talent scared shitless because sponsors are how most of them make the big bucks, ludwig calling them out could start a chain reaction of people calling out businesses for shitty practices.
I don’t think any creator would double down and back the brand partnership, unless they have deep ties to the brand. Its more respectful that Ludwig called them out, as many creators would just keep quiet in the hopes that they don’t alienate themselves from future brand deals
@@stephcannon5208agreed, any creator who would double down and defend a one time sponsor in a situation like this is actively trying to harm their own career or has a lot deeper ties to the company than they lead on.
@@stephcannon5208every youtuber who still has better help ads play
@@stephcannon5208yea, what they would generally do is stay quiet, maybe even hide their prior sponsorship videos and then when the case is forgotten they just start again.
I really expected Zach to have his house robbed not images stolen. Glad he's is safe and I hope he wins the lawsuit
My farts are better than Mogul’s farts 💨
Yeah I was concerned at the start, now I'm just making popcorn lol
when i first saw his video i was like omg i hope he is ok lol. so glad he is!
saying its just "images" is really downplaying what's actually happened but ok.
@@BoshyGbecause at the end of the day he’ll live he’ll be okay and that’s all that matters, if having your images stolen is your main problem in life you’re doing okay, still a bad situation though no doubt
ludwig describing putting bread in a turkey’s ass is not something i was expecting with my day
@@DedeDude-br8fkKeep Yourself Safe
My farts are better than Mogul’s farts 💨
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this is not part two for all the kiddos wondering@@DedeDude-br8fk
@@DedeDude-br8fkshut up, IMPOSTOR!
I hope Casetify gets what's coming to them... absolutely boggling how they literally just made such a stupid decision
Like what? The CCP encourages this type of thing. A CZcamsr is going to sue a Chinese company? Over IP laws? Something China has never ever EVER respected? Cmon.
unfortunately as Zac said in his video it's probably not going to end up with some great gotcha situation. ultimately they'll probably settle out of court and take down the line and that's it. the video is basically a public awareness notice.
Considering that they are based in China its not strange at all, even the biggest companies (example Huawei) in china survive on stealing IP which allows em to avoid R&D costs.
I hope it turns into a little class action, cause I'm damn sure that Zac isn't the only one who has had their designs or art stolen
its basically the same with every other company which is dropping products in a high frequency.
Whats sucks is zack is likely not the only person who got their design ripped off
Oh for sure. I've gone to their website many times and found things that have been ripped off. Like a wallpaper app that makes their own designs I've seen made into cases
Its a huuuuge problem for artists and designers. Giant brands like gucci or shein are known for blatantly stealing
Zack seems like a really great guy. He runs a company that builds wheel chairs that are meant for the outdoors. Stand up guy.
Edit: It wasn't meant to be a joke 😭
... Did you just... nevermind.
He said stand up and wheelchair in the same comment hahaha Hashanah hah. :)
Good one
My farts are better than Mogul’s farts 💨
I found out about him because he rigged an outdoor motorized wheelchair for another CZcamsr I watch, GoodTimesWithScar. The joy in his video unveiling was palpable through the screen.
Mogul Mail is suffering in France while Ludwig is doing nothing. Is this worth a cancellation?
I'm already writing a tweet as we speak
@@nmxsanchez🫡 thank you for your service.
While Ludwig sits on his damn ass Mogul Mail delivers us the freshest cutting edge journalism. I am thankful for Mogul Mail
This video kind of feels strange because normally Ludwig conglomerates a bunch of information and presents it cleanly in one place which is nice. But in this video he's just re-telling Zach's entire CZcams video but worse (as all second hand story telling usually is). Like Zach perfectly explains the situation first hand in his video, this is a second hand retelling that doesn't need to exist, just send us to the original video. I don't think he really added anything that Zach's video didn't address already...
@@Bobbyblack6Well what Ludwig added is the message he will no longer support that company and threw away his phone case from them. So he added "cancellation value" and explained why he did that. Necessary? I dont know. But I watched it so maybe he did exactly what Zach wanted ... spread awareness ...
@@Bobbyblack6I think the only reason he made this video is because he did a sponsorship with them (and maybe to raise some awareness). I doubt he'd make a video like this while on vacation
Zach’s one of the most sensible guys on CZcams. If he says he’s been robbed you pick up your pitchfork and ask where he went
I wasn’t expecting Mogul Mail to make a video about this so quickly
@@DedeDude-br8fk we're not idiots, get outta here with that scam
shoutout to wayback machine for helping lud with his incredible research the past few months
Kudos to you for ditching that overpriced case. DBrand makes a phenomenal case, you won’t regret it.
Dbrand* and yes they got the best looking skins out there
Dbrand*
i love the style of this video, just a sit down talk with no crazy set up. reminds me of the good days of youtube. i feel so bad for zack, i hope they get all the money they deserve
This doesn't surprise me. I think we doomed ourselves to this shit when people kept supporting massive companies like Shein were pretty openly stealing smaller clothing lines' designs and selling it for dirt cheap.
These companies will steal anything and everything. Only reason Castify got caught was because Jerry was smart enough put Easter eggs in the design
And it's all for the _MONEY!!!!!!!!_
Justice for Zack/JerryRig and DBrand. (Also shoutout Zack as he operates a Wheelchair manufacturing business. Trying to make wheelchairs more affordable in honour of his wife).
You forgot to update the takes in the description lol
My farts are better than Mogul’s farts 💨
@@p-__ your life is NOTHING. you serve ZERO PURPOSE.
“His name isn’t Jerry” lol. A slang term used to fix or build something without professional or conventional methods are known as Jerry Rigs.
Wow I don't think I would've bothered to google this. So thanks!
The term is actually “jury rig”. The channel name is Jerry Rig in honor of his grandpa Jerry.
@@SteelHexthats cool
@@SteelHexit’s also common to call it jerry-rigging, though, to the point where a lot of people don’t even know it’s supposed to be jury.
@@elonmusk921 classic American behaviour (jk, we do the same in Poland)
The dumbest part of this is, if instead of right-clicking and saving Zack's designs, they had done what he did and taken the original images of the phone and modified *those* instead, it would have been 100% fine because you can't copyright an idea. It would have been unethical, but it wouldn't have infringed on any copyrights.
But because they took his designs and modified those, a lot of infringing elements are still there, so they're probably going to have to settle with d-brand.
That makes me think that they hired a designer who just was lazy and then didn't really check anything because they were lazy too
that's why big companies shouldn't go to fivere and actually have designs with WIP details @@0106johnny
@@0106johnnyMaybe not because they replaced the subscribe text with castify, so they at least took one look at it
Thanks for bringing attention to this! I'd seen the headline but didn't realize that it involved Zach until I saw the thumbnail. My husband uses a wheelchair full-time and that elevator video was inspiring. I've been a fan since I saw it. I hope he gets every single penny he deserves out of those creatively bankrupt asshats.
Really hope that he sues the crap out of them and wins a huge settlement, this is blatant theft. Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME - I have had it happen to me before, where I had designs of my own stolen and then used in stores (printed on t-shirts mostly, but other products as well), and I know at least 3 other people who I'm friends with, who are also small, independent artists/product designers that have had this same thing happen to them. It's extremely, extremely common, and the worst thing is that in most cases (certainly was this way with my situation as well as my friends'), 99% of the people who have their material stolen and used by a larger company have zero recourse. Sucks to see this happen to anyone, at least Zack has a large CZcams channel and was able to get the word out.
Really impressed at how quickly Mogul fully nuked the bridge between himself and Casetify. He saw hard evidence that someone he did business with did something hilariously stupid and illegal and came out hard (my favorite way to see him).
Definitely an open and shut case with all those Easter eggs being 1:1
I'm thankful for an uplaod on Thanksgiving Lud!! You work hard, making a video even when you're with your family. I'll be buying a case to support my man's through this!
The mogul has no mail for weeks and then he goes on holiday and suddenly gets drowned in it.
DBrands lawyers are top tier. If I'd be Casetify I'd be scared
You should add; if he wins this lawsuit, all of his share of the money is going to his company where he builds wheelchairs. Dude is impossible to hate
Im hoping we get to watch dbrand get a huge payday from this. Fucked up to see a company on top pull some shit like this.
I don't know if we want the robots getting millions of dollars they could attempt to destroy the sun with that money
I'm thankful that Lud is a great, minimal bias, full research journalist. That he does on the side, since he's first and foremost a content creator. Big love to you Lud
Zack is fr such a genuine guy, you gotta be some kinda awful to piss him off like this 😭😭😭
I'm thankful for Ludwig's ability to explain something catastrophic in a couple minutes
Im thankful for the friends who believed in me. 3 months sober and the first Thanksgiving in years ive actually enjoyed
I’m thankful for my two favorite, seperate youtubers, ludwig and mogul mail
Glad to see you covering Zack's stuff video! I watched the video when it released and both wasn't surprised and wish Casetify get what's coming to em.
unlike most youtuber, who if they accenditly sponsored a scam company, they ignore it, ludwig is a true hero who show their scam works.
this is like how map makers make fake towns to identify people stealing their map
I think it's as simple as, some lower level designer tasked with new ideas, stealing these images and claiming he made them. Then the company just said hell ya and produced them with out knowing that their team didn't create the original. As you said they took them down, they will probably just settle out of court and make an apology for the mistake.
knowing D brand, i would be a little surprised if they settle, they are extremely petty in a good way, and are a decently sized company themselves
@@owenoreilly_20 You can ask for a lot more than money in a settlement. Still plenty of room to be petty ;)
I would be surprised if this was the first time they've done this.
@@owenoreilly_20Settling out of court is usually far more rewarding for the party that sues
Ludwid is rare example of a genuine human on the internet. As is Zack. Big ups to both
I'm thankful for you to still keep making good and mostly honest content ❤
I can't help but feel that a random employee had a deadline, and after jerking off for a month realized they needed something for tomorrow and submitted copied and photoshopped designs with no oversight or scrutiny from management.
I can't imagine that higher ups in the company would have been okay with this had they known, but of course anything like this happening is still a failure of the company as a whole.
Thanks for covering this man
Ahhhh i love how much of a rollercoaster this video was. I have an LLM in Intellectual Property Law - here’s why this is such a rollercoaster:
1. We start off the video hearing about a case design being copied. Usually, designs are protected under copyright. Cool stuff! Ironically, you don’t even technically need to register your copyright! So this was protected either way.
2. We then hear its about a skin - which is ‘clear’ and shows the inside of the phone. Now this is where things get tricky. Copyright does not protect the idea, it protects the EXPRESSION of the idea. In other words, a ‘clear’ case design would not be copyright[able] subject matter, because this is just an idea. Potentially, one could argue (depending on the judge, but likely effectively), that the copyright ownership would actually lie with the owner of the phone’s design. (Ideas are protected by patents, but this is kinda outside the scope of this video and my reply).
3. Now we get to the fun part - the Easter eggs. The Easter eggs clearly identify this as the original skin creator’s expression, and clearly identify that the copyist did in fact copy the design. These Easter eggs are like little bits of gold dust to IP lawyers, and I’m sure they’ll have a fun time dealing with this!
(There is a lot more that goes into it but i omitted it for the sake of brevity, the gist of my comment is the legal background!)
I've always been a massive fan of dbrand, recently had an order come actually!
The grip case is phenomenal, and my og one fell apart due to a small flaw in design that made it wear more than usual, but the newer ones are muuuch better, and the new ghost case is looking like it's gonna hit the spot I've been looking for when it comes to a case.
Hope they win! And get a decent payday, they deserve it
I always wondered if big corporations ever highered a graphic artist who then just stole the art instead of creating it and the company never knowing and or if they get caught is the company at fault or the artist who stole the art in the first place. I know there are some lawsuits that say art can be used if it's changed enough to make it new art, but the percentage of change would need to be drastically more than we see in the phone cases I would think? It will be interesting to see the outcome of the lawsuit.
Oh the company itself for sure. They have liability here. They fucked up big time. It's not just a "well an artist gave it to us it's not our fault we didn't know!" That's the same kinda response as "oh I didn't know they used child labor to create this product I'm selling!" Which sadly, isn't a bigger issue or an actual thing that would happen, but you get my point. If it came out a brand new USA made product was produced by children in the United States, but the company sold it and pretended to know nothing about how their devs made the product, they'd be liable for the issues there. Not a perfect analogy but you get my point.
@@tdbla98 I like the fact that these "child-labor" free chocolate organization would tell plantation ahead of time what day the inspections will be. "Oh wow, no child labor again. Great job guys."
They are all complicit.
im thankful for the edited takes
I’m not someone who upgrades my phone regularly, so I went to casetify to get a sturdy case that would last, loved it until the outside part the wraps around the phone started to peel away from the backing. Okay, whatever, buy a new one. Less than a year later it’s happening again and I never even drop my phone. This is the nail in the coffin to me renouncing my love for casetify
Lud never fails to be held captive
Love Dbrand as a company. Seeing all their partnerships with LTT and how they have a fun relationship with their partners. Lud could have some fun with them as a sponsor.
"I actually like replying to some comments"
Damn that hit in the right place.
Thanks for boosting this! ✨👍✨ Glad we could get a professional scamee’s perspective on this whole mess.
WTF Ludwig
You can just "give me information" casually with a sigma face like that!
Happy Thanksgiving, American French man in his late 20s!
thanks for waving to us, i like to wave back. i know we arent your friend but as someone who isnt really people enjoying it makes me smile.
casetify probably had an entire dedicated marketing team and this is the best idea they had
makes me think if they've been copying off other companies ever since they got started
I've been watching Zach for nearly 7 years now and I've bought casetify cases in the past. I know there was no way to know but man I feel so bad for buying their stuff.
Dont feel bad, just dont support them anymore. Its that easy, theres no point in feeling bad for something you couldn't have known
I got Dbrand's ghost case with matte teardown skin for my pixel 7 pro for 10 whole dollars less than CTFY's garbage inside out rip off case
So sorry that you’re in France, I hope you get out soon 🫶
thankful for luds sanity in this crazy wrld
A multi billion dollar company stealing from the little guy (comparatively speaking) whose wife is in a wheelchair.
They're really hitting the PR-jackpot.
Happy thanksgiving Ludwig
Happy Thanksgiving Ludwig
We must get to the bottom of this case.
I see what you done there brother
If you have trouble figuring it out you should phone a friend.
"medical debt not included" goes incredibly hard as a slogan
8:20
Small point/correction. Teardown (and the new XRay) is a line of vinyl skins to apply either the phone directly or dbrands GRIP case.
Thanksgiving isn’t complete until we get some big company stealing from CZcamsrs. 😂
@@DedeDude-br8fk entertainment
Chinese culture (in my *_very_* limited experience) is super different from Western culture in terms of ownership and credit and stuff like that, i marked code for uni students for a few years and there was a noticeable trend of people copying code and not doing their own work, same kinda vibe here with using others work without credit... Intellectual property is a very American concept in my experience
Most countries have copyright laws. The concept of creators being legally protected for their work is shockingly, *not* an American only concept.
That being said, the problem comes in cross country jurisdiction. A Chinese company is not necessarily liable to American copyright law and there are many cases of other countries simply ignoring these kind of lawsuits. It's not like the Chinese government will extradite the leadership of a large company in their country. However, sanctions sometimes do work and the reciprocal nature of other countries not wanting their intellectual property to be copied in the US and sold is what generally keeps the system working.
This is especially the case for multi-national companies that do business in many countries. If you do business in the US you have to adhere to US law, otherwise Castify wouldn't be allowed to do business here and is the US market worth losing over a dumb decision somebody made?
I mean its pretty common for people in that field to copy code from somewhere (stackoverflow etc) also in workplaces. But I get what you're saying. The Chinese are notorious for yoinking Western things and slapping a "made in China" on it.
@@SchweppesLemonIsGodTier my point is not that it was an individual thing but that they had a system going, one or two people would solve that week's assignment and then everyone what would just copy off them
Copying code is (in my slightly controversial opinion) fine so long as you know what it's doing and give credit, in this case they did neither
@@pacmonster066 never said it was an American *_only_* thing, but Americans do give a shit slightly more than most Western countries
@@Imperial_Squid "Intellectual property is a very American concept" is what you said. The implication of that is clear.
The point being, that's not true whatsoever. Do you think artists in other countries don't care about their copyright or bother legally fighting people who steal their work to make bootlegs?
This isn't an all or none kind of thing. Yes, the US has a robust copyright, trademark, and trade secret legal framework. Other countries have similar systems to varying degrees.
Had some personal pitfalls that are very much me not doing the things I want due to bad habits/decisions. I'm thankful that I want to keep trying to be better but currently in more of a bummer mood than thankful.
Hate the stealing companies, hope Zack gets his desired outcome
I gotta say, these “Easter eggs” built into their design are an insanely smart product design for such a replicable product.
Not only are they hidden in the design, they’re meant to replicate normal product details about their design while also being meaningless towards the actual product in a vacuum.
It leaves no room for error. If you have these same string of characters on your product then there’s no denying you stole it from them. Bravo.
Turkey ass bread is all my brain can focus on now 😂
LMAO that case throw at the end and thanking for the money. Never change Lud!
Not jerry rig everything I love his vids. So thorough and satisfying, perfect to relax/fall asleep too
I'm thankful for how hard mogul mail trys to impersonate Ludwig
I love how zack used the zfold 4 case in his video as i have that case and that made me personaly involved lmao
We make dressing instead stuffing for the turkey...which is basically stuffing but not IN the turkey if I understand correctly.
We spatchcock the turkey, so there is no place to stuff. Also stuffing makes it so it takes longer for the turkey to cook...more chances for dry turkey. And I am not a good enough cook so start with disadvantage...lol
That'd a stand up news story if you ask me. I'm sure no one else covered it, or very few. Although I wouldn't know because I never watch the news under any circumstances.
Props. Stand up for the little guy.
I love the dbrand teardown skin I got and their customer support is amazing. My skin was off by a bit because of a sizing issue, they straight up sent me the right size and told me I could keep the one I had. I hope they win the lawsuit because they put so much passion and genuine love in their product and service.
thankful for lud and unbiased media coverage
I'm thankful for all the souls on this planet who actively try to do right by the world while they're here instead of pulling a Casify
Company takes something down
Ludwig: however, wayback machine does exist
I'm thankful for companies getting what they deserve.
I’m thankful the video is over
Also that you posted it, happy thanksgiving
These easter eggs are similar to ghost towns in google maps, just tricks designed to catch copycats.
Its kinda cool seeing this from different angles I watched the Zacks video earlier.
Stuffing in french is "farce", and we usually so a similar stuffing to the one for thanksgiving but for christmas in the "Chapon" which is a big chicken.
Imagine being that one designer in the Castify company who designed this case lineup and the whole company is getting sued for it. That designer will not only be fired but cruisified
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This is not the first time I've seen Casetify getting in drama like this. I recall many instances of artists designs getting ripped by this company
That bit at the end was mint. Goodbyeeee Castifyyyyy.
être le dindon de la farce mdr, super video comme d'habitude lud 💖
Happy Thanksgiving Lud and family. Glad you're enjoying your time with family especially if you haven't seen them in a while! Was this the big family reunion you were trying to organize too?
My favourite 'easter egg' in Casetify's cloned product is the dbrand logo itself.
It's slightly obscured due to the terrible quality of the image after they've copied it, but it's still clearly visible.
Hey Ludwig, I'm thankful for my tiny but still functional downstairs neighbor.
Crazy how he credited the article and the youtuber in the desc... thats crazy!!!
Lud, THANK YOU FOR COVERING THISSSSS!!!!!!!
Ngl CZcams News Anchor Lud is my favorite. I find myself watching more Mogul Mail then any other channels 😂
“Jerry rigs everything” 😂
Happy to see you Lud with another vid!!!
Big salute to you lud for not being a sell out
I'm thankful that I was able to save my friends lives this year and they are still here with us. ❤
What a well planned response toward copyright infringement. I hope they win the case.
wow i cant believe mr wig only took edited takes to make this video! truly one of the best content creators!