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0:00 intro
1:40 Details about Presta Cycles
2:14 details about the cassette
5:41 why I like there Gear ratio better
7:49 ACTUAL WEIGHT DIFFERENCE SCALE
9:45 PRICE DIFFERENCE
11:19 The Negatives of this cassette
13:02 the bike we are installing on
14:20 shift test: Before new cassette
16:25 replace chain if needed
17:29 discount code with silca :)
18:18 INSANE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE!!!
19:09 installing cassette
20:48 cassette installed on bike
21:28 sound test installed on bike
22:00 LOWER YOUR VOLUME!!!!!!
22:57 Thanks for watching!!! - Sport
Please let me know any questions you have on this item or configurations.... They do make it for 10 speed and 11 speed bikes as well...... I was very happy with this cassette and the options they give to riders who are looking for a specific gearing. Shifting quality in the stand and adjustment was very very simple. I am looking forward to installing this on my dream build bike and revealing this project to you al very soon :)))
Since you asked....... and you said don't ask.... why the horse.. with suits especially LOL!
I don't trusts this type of cassettes, shifting goes amazing in the stand but as soon as you go out and put some force in the AL cogs between 8 and 11 (the big ones) everything goes south, sometimes the chain starts to jump between cogs (without shifting) and because the big cogs are made from aluminium alloy some teeths start to bend with enough time. Take in consideration that i say this from previous experiences (different manufacturers, same design construction and idea), but idk, maybe this company found the holy grail of aluminium cassettes
@@josecamilojimenez2784 Not aluminum..forged cro moly STEEL. .cassettes are never made with aluminum, would wear way too quickly...dura, ace steel with ti smaller cogs
Have you used it? These shadow derailleurs often only work flawlessly with HG cassettes... Ask me how I know... 🤦🏽
Why is pornhub on your search bar???😅
We’ve reached a point where you can buy a new CPU for your computer for less than the cost of a few sprockets for your bike.. This sport is killing itself.
But would new CPU help you climb alpe d'huez 0.5 seconds faster? :)
Nobody has to buy all the ultra expensive bling crap for bicycles. Its choice.
@@vitskr1 Ride on! Zwift maybe 🤪
We've reached the point where you can buy a motorcycle for the price of a gaming pc. This hobby is killing itself
@@bradsanders6954 Shhh, don't tell everyone the secret. What will people whinge about.
I think it looks great, i bet it ride good too.
I am talking about horse
I have the china version of this cassette about 65 US.
YES its same weight.
Con: shifting.
Where did you find it? Whats wrong with the shifting?
czcams.com/video/6dpPJS-TGwk/video.htmlsi=KHQq5nCBvdj4-rHW
Even though the Presta cassette might distribute the load across the whole of the cassette, it still seems as if the brunt of would be taken at the contact points on the freehub body and so instead of gouging in certain rings you'll just have it on the ends instead. Let us know how that works as you use it for a while. I'm interested to see if that is any better or worse. Nice concept and it looks super light.
100% this, If the Contact point was across the entire range, even only for 3 or so of the Splines, I would believe it is better. Really now it looks like it has higher change of failure, and higher pressure points on the freehub.
Would be curious if anyone who specialized in materials engineering could comment on whether the power an average cyclist puts out in a sprint would be twisting/warping it at all as well.
By this design, what seems to me, is that instead of distributing force on the freehub body, this will be concentrating all the gears on just two small areas of freehub, although this is almost a piece of art
Exactly , looks like it will just cut thru the splines!
100% same issue on different point of the free hub.... 👍
Not sure about the one from the video specifically, but on some of the similar designs those contact points are pretty wide, like 4-5mm wide, meaning that the localized pressure is much lower than that of a standard thickness steel cog.
@@Raytrac3d exactly the force in this cassette is always distributed to two relatively wide contact points, as compared to shimano where the force is always concentrated on the contact point of the cassette being used, which is pretty small, hence the bite marks.
Exactly how an engineer would do it.
As long as the cassette is stiff enough, that should not be a problem.
All tho I would increase the contact patch maybe a bit.
what are your thoughts on a horse wearing a suit?
A horse in a three-piece suit is not just dapper but also a trailblazer in the world of animal attire. It's not every day you see such sartorial elegance on four hooves. This horse probably has a better wardrobe than most of us, and I must say, it's quite the trendsetter. I can't help but wonder if it's available in a pinstripe. After all, if you're going to dress a horse in a suit, why not go all the way with a touch of Wall Street flair?
whats up with that horse with suit?😅
I TOLD YOU NOT TO ASK!!!!!
@@GCPerformance18 🤪😂
If I ran a 1x 52T chain ring, I'd also have a boss horse as my desktop background haha
hahahahha, I like your name
This is really cool. Thanks for sharing it with us!
I’ve had a Prestacycle cassette on my Winspace SLC 2.0 for 2 years now. It shifts and performs really well. The one negative have is that it tends to be noisy, but I’ve never had another cassette on the bike to compare to. I had a SRAM Red 22 mechanical groupset using the SRAM Red 11 speed chain.
Other than that it’s been good.
Thanks for this... glad I'm not the only one who experienced this. I too agree it's a tad noisy...
Love the Frankenstein bike,it's also nice to see so many supposed non compatible things all working!😎
hahaha I love it too, and it all works perfectly
Damn Grant! I can't hear over the sound of your awesomeness! I muted the volume and I can still hear you! LOL
I tried one of those and the shifting Performance was quite bad on an otherweise Ultegra setup. Shimano and SRAM casettes were much better
That's exactly what I thought. But this brand is making a lot of noise on CZcams and IG. So I'm not surprised seeing this also here
I heard shadow derailleurs only work properly with HG cassettes.
This was my experience with the SRoad cassette. It was just slightly worse at first, but became quite unusable after a couple thousand miles. It was pretty much unusable from the start when paired with a shadow derailleur.
Well then you also need the sram freehub. And thats a invest that wont happen on my wheels
Elastomer rings are a must with 1-piece cassettes. SRAM stealth rings should be a good fit.
Put an 11spd 11-42 on my Lauf a couple months ago... rides and looks great, and got it for only $160 from Universal Cycles.
LOVE the Ti!!! Like the fact it has the dropped seat stays, don't really see it on Ti bikes that often... Looks great! Love the channel!
I appreciate it :) yea that’s why I fell in love it looks really modern and also the integrated handlebar looks badass. Makes a classic Ti bike look really modern
@@GCPerformance18 yeah it's classicly modern. Never rode To but I've always loved the looks and I also like Lyndsey helix with the twisted down and top tubes! If only I the $$$... Thanks for hitting me back I appreciate it!!! Stay safe out there! ☘️🚴♂️
As per other comments below - a cassette with two points of engagement will not disperse force across the freehub - it will just concentrate the force at the two points of engagement. However, where a monobloc cassette has a potential advantage is that it is more torsionally stiff so there is less potential for gouging from individual cogs twisting under load and eating into the freehub. That problem is worse with cheaper cassettes which tend to be less accurately machined and can result in individual cogs both twisting and moving back and forth on and off load on the freehub.
literal;ly rode it today and had one of my strongest rides out there and rode perfect and quiet 28 miles average 191watts normalized power 209 and max was 1000
Ok another cassette to look into. I like it.
Beem using a 11 spd cassette from Prestacycle for a few years now. Very nice.
very nice
Nice Video, the fact about the better options for the gear ratio and the weight saving is true, even a dura ace cassette seems heavy. Tried the same one from E Dubbied but in the end it is everytime the Recon cassette, just other name depends on the country you buy it. My expierence was that the shifting against dura ace RD and Cassette is noticable much worse. In the bike stand was it fine like in your video but outside on the road the shifting not perfect in comparision to Shimano. In end the 60 gramms over the Dura Ace was not worth it and tried to set it better up but no chance. Maybe i was just unlucky or not talented enought dont know. Would like to hear the feedback for riding the cassette outdoor.
In the end i stick with drivetrain components from Shimano, for me it is the best and a few gramms less are not worth it giving up shifting quality.
255 euros, DAYUMN
$426 Australian dollars. Glad I was sitting down *cough*
oh no, more things i need that i cant afford, xD looks killer sick thou !
Have two of them , was the only solution to a worn freehub body . Once freehub body is worn on one cog they are by default out of mesh with the cogs one speed up or down . Fantastically light and amazing manufacturing. There was only one issue , they are unfortunately very loud on the bike , not sure if it is because it’s a cone and resembles a speaker ? Not sure but they are noticeably much louder than a DA , so if peaceful bike rides are your aim , these might not be for you . If you don’t care about sound , these are tight,solid, and fast , might even give better power transfer as the freehub body is not so torqued out on force offset from center ?
I had used one on 11 speed, exact same company and design with durace derailleur and found it to be first and foremost very loud on shifting and loud in general because the whole thing is one piece and vibration from chain resonates throughout. Also there are no rubber bands in between cogs to improve acoustic performance of the chain too. It really got on my nerves after a week of riding even waxed chain wont help. Its like a tractor/helicopter sound continuously 😂
Something like this would be nice for a kids MTB bike too. But I don't know about compatibility, if I remember it right there is different freehub width road vs regular/mtb freehub.
Just spent the day trying to dial my 12sp on the r9200. As commenters above have stated, I had the same experience with shifting. If you’re a recreational rider, sure it shifts fine. If you’re racing, not so much. It gets close to it, but not quite. Shifts better than an eThirteen I had once that was marketed as being GRX compatible but as others stated, it lags in either the top few or bottom few gears depending on which one is dialed in. On top of that, the bottom few cogs may be the culprit as in order to get them dialed, one of the teeth lacks a slant that HG cassettes have and it ever so slightly catches on the bigger cog causing a click repeating every turn. It never quite skips in the stand but there are too many wrecks in races due to gears skipping and I don’t plan on being the one in order to save 49 grams.
Just bought 11s 105 r7000 12-25 cassette 🤙 and I will replace 11-30 11s. Older r7000 11s has more option than stupid 12s with ONLY 2 OPTIONS 😂😂😂 I use 105 cassette with full Ultegra r8000 (chain as well) and works smooth
I know! I've been looking for an 11-28 cassette 12speed that could have the 16 and/or 18t cog. That 18t is so important between 17 and 19t.
@@bonbonflippers4298 yes I will be in heaven this road season 😁 I think to leave from my old cassette (only 3000km done) 3 biggest rings 24t,27t,30t and add rest from new one 12-25 cassette. This will give me excellent steps between gears and three big ones for some occasional climb (instead of 21t,23t,25t)
@@pawelodz8050 dang your area must be flat
If you play around with the Bike gear ratio calculator, Sram RED XG-1290 10-28T or Sram Force XG-1270 10-28T cover in one cassette both cogs (17T and 18T) from your two cassettes.
Awesome vid as always! Im intrigued by those cassettes.......We need to talk about the horse in the suit.
With that minimal interface to the freehub, you could really lighten some more by removing material from or redesigning the freehub body
Love the frankenstein builds, wish we saw more of them out there!
it def gets some looks out there for sure
@@GCPerformance18 it would be cool if there was more of an ecosystem for modularity in component brands
I'm digging this... it's time to rebuild one of bikes . It's has over 10k mi. I just got my new one last week. I love these frames I own 3, for all my different situations. Your going to sell me wheels from joe china cycling. I have 2 large posiden x . New one is the ambition already slammed the stem swapped saddle and have cool pedals on it. I am loving a size medium. I think the 170 cranks are cool I can haul ass around corners as opposed to 175. Those you know if ya know. Great vid bro. I will be in touch in couple mo for wheels.
Yea yea man. Im on board 💯...
hel yeaaa
any visibly noticeable difference between cog shift ramp design/milling when comparing to Dura Ace cassettes or more specifically, if you have one of their 11 speed 11-40 cassettes; do cog shift ramps appear equal to XT and/or XTR cassette shift ramp designs?
I used these for 11 speed shimano and it workwd really good, but when I switched to 12 speed, it did not shift well. I do not recomend this if you have 12 speed shimano.
Great video! besides your introduction with the Presta Cycles product to us interessting experiences and insights from you as an experienced mechanic/salesman. The only critisism I have is your comparison @19:19 with a max 28T cassette too a 34T? Of course it's lighter even if it were Ultegra 😁
oh my, and while you are on a 12 gears 11-28, here I am on a 12 gears 10-51T of my Canyon Pathlite 6 (2022 model) and the Roadlite 6 (2023). The Pathlite 6 and Roadlite 6 are both 1X, the main difference is that the Pathlite 6 has a 36T chainring and the Roadlite is 46T chainring. Anyways, here where I live is so hilly, I need those easy gears.
So glad I run SRAM AXS now with options like 11-26 & 11-28. I would hate having to run an 11-30 just because that's all they make. Definitely never going back to Shimano.
In the Netherlands we want a flatland cassette. 11-23 and chainrings with 42/52.
thats what I like
Never had an issue changing cassettes with the bite marks on the freehub. They all seem to get them but it's never been a hinderance in any way. ymmv of course.
The aluminium marks work harden and they can only dent so much. That cassette he's showcasing will dent the freehub more severely only having 2 cogs touching (pounds per square inch)
Those gold P Zeros look 🔥 on your rig. Funny thing is, on Pirelli’s own marketing materials, they don’t actually look that gold. Very nice on the video though.
Thanks so much, but those are the turbo cotton by specialized.
@@GCPerformance18 ha! I suppose that would explain it. 🙈
YOu so 10years ago bro!! Same as Edco which has been has out for over 10 years with 11 speed & lastest 12 speed & is much cheaper than this brand and is the original MonoBlock cassette lighter & CrMo steel
Sweet - hadn’t heard of those guys, figured it was a Garbaruk cassette at first. The Hope binders are sweet BTW. What brand Ti frame is that ?
it is the blackheart titanium frame
You live in Florida! Man up Florida man and ride a straight block on 1X
Hey GC, what make are those brake callipers on your ti bike?? I need some of those!!
Those are hope, just look up hope road brake calipers they have them in all sizes
A con for me is that I can't just replace a single cog when it wears out. I wear out my 11,12 on my 11speed DA quicker than any of the rest, I can replace each cog for about 20$ each and extend the life of the whole cassette. I can't do that with his mono bloc cassette.
yea I mean that is a downside for sure but alot of people do not have that problem lol
Dont you think it only making contact with such a small area of the freehub might increase the change of the cassette biting into the freehub?
It has more contact area for the entire cassette than an individual cog of the Shimano cassette.
Note that on the Shimano cassette the load does not distribute to other cogs; so the contact stress of the Shimano cassette ends up being greater; this results in the small gouges in the cassette driver when using the Shimano cassette.
Off topic because you mentioned what chain lube your using on this bike The SILCA synergectic lube is by far the best bike lube I’ve ever used , why ALOT of bike shops don’t sell it is beyond me
Yea it is a game changer we just brought it in recently and that’s all we use
@@GCPerformance18 I started using it recently and it has worked really nicely...They recommend doing the coating and drying process a few times before riding to get the most wax coverage possible but I didn't notice that much of a difference.
wish they had a 12 speed gravel cassette also. 11-39 would be ideal.
I second this! I’ve been wanting 11/38 or 11/40 for 12 speed grx. You can hack 2x11 Grx by putting an 11/40 on it but no one makes this size cassette in 12 speed.
JfoyH also has 12 spees cassette from 11/28 up too 11/36 $54 to $75.
What's with the horse in a suit?
There is not much contact area between the free wheel and cassette on the one piece cassette. I suspect it will gouge the aluminium type free wheel much quicker than the standard shimano cassette would. Nice and light though.
i chewed up 25k out of my casette and chain, then i got a new chain and 11 to 15 chain was skipping, i ended up getting a new cassette too, and only used waxing with paraffin. now new chain and cassette also running on the same formula, im trying to get some teflon powder but its hard in cuba
you don't need teflon powder, the difference is marginal. What you should do is buy three chains, degrease and wax them. Then rotate the chains every 250-400 km, depending on the weather and use. Rewax all three chains when thee third one starts squeaking. You will see that both your chain and cassette will last longer.
@@eagerbob i wish i could afford 3 chains man, lol, i wish, al i can do its rewax in the short term and rewax the day before a long ride, get home and rewax again
That’s what i’ve always done rotate the chains at least three…KMC good value with zero issues and cheap off the bay ☺️
@@raulfernandezperez73What speed are you on 9…10…11 ? bottom of the range kmc are affordable 👍🏻
@@pedallinraw 11 speed cassette.
can you review the Hope calipers? thinking of picking them up for my ultegra group
let me ride them a litttle longer had to do a little modifications to them at first
@@GCPerformance18 appreciate it matey - have you considered testing out the hope rotors as well?
For some reason I thought Dura-Ace cassettes were lighter... that is a significant difference... just not sure I want to risk noise/chunkier shifting.
yea I thought so too but, also this duraace is 1130 and the cassette I showed off was 1128
Let's just talk about the Horse 😎 Can we?
What is your opinion on waxing your chain? Oz Cycle recently uploaded an interesting video on it.
I think it is nice if you are okay with the maintaince, and it is noisy, I did mine and it was super loud
I tried the ones from RECON a few years ago, terrible shifting unfortunately. Especially the 11T. Never worked well.
I have never seen so many expensive bikes in one space. You must be in a rich area.
thanks so much yes we are in boca raton florida near miami, and our store is one of the smaller stores you should see the ones in miami area decked out
I doesn't have the same teeth profile and ramps as the Shimano or sram cassetes to aid shifting, the teeth are very straight, I bet it doesn't shift that great.
I like it.
this video just proves 105 shifts better/faster than red
hahaha I am loving this 105 group it is so great and I see no lag from ultegra or duraace
What breakcalipers you got on that bike? They look sick af
those are the hope brake calipers
Shame I'm on sram, the weight is insane! Nice Ti ride bro, Ti is my only ride, sram force axs etap 1x
It's funny that most drive train upgrades compared to Shimano/SRAM original parts are in fact counter porductive. You get your OSPW, and you hope: ok, it is a good product as long as it shifts close to the original pulleys. Then you get get this CNCed cassette for just 30g less but guaranteed worse shifting experience.
I have been running my ospw on all my bikes for 7 years now from ceramicspeed kogel and nova...... I have rode 10 speed 1 peice cassettes from sram in the past, I work on these products all the time
Is it available for 11sp?
It would seem to me, bearing in mind I'm not being an expert or anything, but doesn't the suit add quite a lot of weight to the horse?
What's your chainring? I am planing to get a p505 too
that is the alugear and it is bcd 110 it is the same as shimano chainring bcd but alugear makes some great products
Would have been nice to see how well it shifts ALL THE WAY DOWN to the smallest cogs - you stopped shifting down toe the smaller gears when it "seemed" to mis-shift, that is, it seemed to NOT want to shift to the next smaller cog easily.
I have installed them like 5-6 on different bikes. They work great mine has all the range of motion going up and down
what’s the deal with the horse?
To get an idea of what grams are/and how much grams feels like, 1 litre of water is 1 kilogram. Water bottles are roughly 500ml so 500grams (plus the weight of plastic bottle). Half a water bottle 250 grams ect ect.
hell yea that is nice
The horse is the Famous Mr. Ed! A horse is a horse of course!
I see you have some Magene wheels there. Could you do a review on them??🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻. I would love to hear your thoughts
yea I just got done making the video tonight I have about 400 miles on them I love the wider internal rim channel they are a nice option, and very comfortable
@@GCPerformance18 awesome!! You’re absolutely right, given the internal and external width of the wheels and price. They seem to be a no-brainer. Oh, and weight is awesome. Thank you for doing a brief review on them! Look forward to seeing the video.
This only seems to have 2 contact discs between the cassette & free hub. Also there seem to be half the usual groove ingagers on each disc, so would presume the ware is going to be quite high at the contact points
no because theya re at the extreme ends of the cassette and the cassette body itself provides a lot of structurem you are not riding in those two gears alot
Hopefully you'll do another vid after a few 1000kms, but I think those 2 contact points for every gear you ride in MUST have a lot of ware. Will be happy to be proven wrong though 😁
Nice!
Thanks!
Germany, Ultegra 12s cassette 55-65€, Dura-Ace 150-170€.
yea I know right now euro prices are super cheap for shimano for some reason
I hear absolutely no difference between the two, except excitement and 240 dollars of awesomeness
same here I rode it twice so far and no issues here
Real question - how durable is it tho? I am trying to reduce weight on my bike... its especially tough with XL (61) frame size bikes :(
If you're on an XL bike, the bike weight (in general) will be a lower percentage of your body weight anyway so even less important
Stupid question :can i put this on my old wheelset with 8 or 9 speed casette?
yes no isses
Very nice 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you! Cheers!
18T has been the workhorse gear on my blocks back since 8 speed gears were the hot new thing, to the extent that I used to run 13-21 and 12-19 cassettes exclusively in my racing days. Then with 9 speed 12-21 and 10 speed 12-23. Can't get my head round why Shimano thinks they can get away with having cassettes that don't have them. Maybe it's just to sell more cassettes. Still don't understand why normal dude riders think they need an 11T.
yea 18t gear is a nice gear that I was missing and use to from the older cassettes
Bro is that AVG antivirus on that horse? What year is it?
lmfaooo
nice Ti bike !!!!!
Oh yeah!
I hope they make a "lite" version that is 10x cheaper 😁
With one cog!
man, 4k HDR is clearer than my eyeballs IRL
no lie the hdr is super clear
I currently have a gravel bike on order with a Shimano GRX 600, 11 speed, 2x ...would this casette work on my bike?
They make an 11 speed version for it that will work
Bought the 12s version. Doesn't shift well at all. If I get it close to correct on the downshift its really poor on the upshift - and vice versa. New chain, straight RD hangar. Bummed. No response from Presta either.
Update to this comment: Presta responded and suggested adjusting the B-gap. I didn’t think this was necessary as I was just replacing an 11-34 DA with an 11-34 Presta. I moved it closer than the shimano. Very close 3-4mm away from the 34t cog. Shifts very well now. 95% as fast as DA. Once in a great while its slightly slower shifting in one or two cogs than DA but other than that all good. Cassette is a beautiful piece of machinery.
I’m not gonna talk about the horse suit, I mean cassette
Bro…it sounded more quiet to me than the Shimano…👍🏼
Dura Ace only does 11-32 and 11-34? That can't be right. What do the TT guys use? They're obsessed with the close ratios.
Shame we get taxed to hell in Europe if we try to order this :(
buy with E Dubied & Co for example, it is the same. Also i can sell you mine (new) if you want hahaha
My doctor said I need to lose weight.
I answered, I weight my components not my body, you monster! Stop shaming me, the roundness on the front is aerodynamic.
I really just want to know about the horse in a suit…. thanks 🙃👍
The manufactor was edco before i think? The question is, if they improved their cassettes. Cause they shifted horrible ...
They are still sold as E. Dubied&Co. Shifting isnt horrbile, but not great. Using one in 11/34 at the moment. Im probably switching back to a standart shimano when this one is worn out.
So if you're riding the same gears all the time, especially the low ones, you should LOVE the Shimano cassette, as it allows you to change those sprockets separately - a huge cash savig
I do not think it works like that
@@GCPerformance18 but I KNOW it works like that and you work at a bike shop. Here is a sample part numbers for Shimano Dura-Ace 12s sprocket:Y0MV11000.
Moreover, if you dislike the cassette eating into the hub when each sprocket contacts it separately, you will absolutely hate the damage caused by a cassette like this as it only has 2 contact points for all of the sprockets.
This video is both misinformed and misinformative.
They could make a SRAM 12 speed line. Go ahead.
I think this has the same spacing as the xdr hub so it would work with shimano
horse in a suit, i know what my new work profile pictures going to be, googles, turns out it was my employer who did the photoshoot 😂🐴
lmfaoo I change my coworkers image on his background all the time without saying anything and when people ask what that is I jsut make a story about
How long do they last??
I would have to assume that it is steel so it will have a long life, I do not know exact, but I would assume same as a high end cassette