Web Developer - Low Paying Jobs (Take it or Leave It)
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- In this video we will talk about should you take a low paying job as a web developer.
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1st tech job was 32k. Was there for 6 months. 1.5 years later 95k. And this year will be over 100k. Been listening to Joe since I started journey
This is my situation also. I tried the "shoot for 100k to start" but never got in. I started at my skill level and developer experience (NONE). After 12 years of working in the medical field, I am now in a job where I am constantly learning and getting real-world experience from. My next step will be to the stage you are in now --75k+ at least.
Congrats 🎉 I'm praying I get there one day soon.
@@paulberber It’s all about persistence bro. You got this 💯
@@pedro.zurita that’s what’s up! The only way you don’t get there is if you stop 💯
Congratulations to you Jonah, I also start building my portfolio and will be working hard for getting my first job as a frontend developer
Shit I'll take it as long as I get my foot in the industry, better than working at a warehouse
this vid was for sure for me.. i’m grinding learning react / and the whole mern stack + multiple other things. will keep this video saved to make sure i take advantage of any activity i get so i kan learn and just grow.
good advice as always~
Joe with another banger 🔥
Thanks, Joe!!!
Dam good advice!
I believe I would take it. Right now I’m a truck driver making good money but just let me get my foot in the door so I can gain experience and start learning more and more. Thanks Joe appreciate your knowledge
The problem is people measure their situation to other people. They’ll skip the small bag that leads to the big bag. All the while, they waiting for the big bag with no bag.
That's not true for everyone. This sort of problem isn't always the applicant's fault. NO EMPLOYER is going to pay you more than they have to, or more than they think they can get away with. if you're in a tight spot, then 50K - 60k is doable, but never accept a programming job for less than that -- especially if you're going to be responsible for a broad range of skills like HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python, PHP, MySQL, etc. Employers will gladly pay you junior level salaries for full stack positions if you let them.
You can make 30k full time piddling at Wal-Mart. Any kind of web development job is a skilled position, and employers should expect to have to pay for those skills.
Ideally, even a junior front end developer shouldn't be making less than $40k, and that should only be for their first year.
A dev that's fluent in HTML, CSS, JS, and maybe React & Node shouldn't accept anything less than $57k.
If your skillset borders on full stack -- HTML, CSS, JS, React, Node, PHP, Python, .NET, .ASP, MySQL, etc, you shouldn't even be getting out of bed for less than $85k-95k a year.
But trust me -- you only need to browse listings on Indeed or ZipRecruiter to see that hundreds of employers want to hire 1 person to do everything from create wireframes to maintain databases & hosting....and they'll offer something around $65k-$75k. That's just insulting, even for a junior level developer.
I had to work hard and study hard to become fluent in front-end languages. That's what you're paying me for. Not previous years in the field. A dev shouldn't have to feel like they're "thinking they're worth more than they really are" for turning down what is obviously an unfair offer.
Go try offering that kind of shit salary to an RN or a doctor.
Thanks for the advice man
I was never in a rush to get a job and got full stack down pretty well…
I been kind of paranoid that I might need other skills so I ended up learning windows internals, scripting in bash and powershell, learned C and C++, learning windows internals, and going for my azure az-204 because since I’m learning windows internals and already now c# why not match and make the whole outfit lol
In the end I still haven’t secured my first job because I want to keep learning and get some knowledge in pen testing because I’m interested in that as well and figured it would be cool to learn web app pentesting
So when I do go for my first job I probably ain’t taking no less than the Junior developer average salary
I didn’t know I was suppose to stop and that I was good after learning asp, php, JavaScript, sql, etc lol
@@Feedback406 it’s good to have the knowledge but it’s better to get paid for what you know.
@@sixstanger00 what does this have to do with what I said?
@@OffendedByThought Everything.
Most entry-level devs understand the process of "little bag to big bag." I don't think anyone expects to be hired as a senior dev on day 1 with no experience.
The problem here is that *_employers_* expect the "little bag" to contain the same contents as the "big bag;" they want entry-level devs to have "X years experience, bachelors in CS, X years working with similar companies, etc."
As I said before, they set up unrealistic expectations for entry level devs.
Good info!!! Thank you so much for bringing this up. People, just beware of "jobs" that don't pay you nothing and ask you to complete tasks for them. Get at least 25-50% deposit if you are going to do actual work for anyone. There are lots of scammers out there. They take your code/data/graphics/reviews/survey answers and then NEVER pay you anything ( "review our Terms and Conditions" kinda deal).
💯 Yes definitely Don’t do someone’s work also Don’t give any personal data like social security.
Very true.
Wise man......wiser words!!
This is what I needed to hear. I’m on my second job, first was a contract paying very well but it was a bust because they were a digital production agency for Microsoft when they cut the budget and let go of all those employees. (2 weeks long)
Now I’m a Wordpress dev, still broke AF but gaining experience lol
Interesting
Shoot personally take the lower paying job, in hindsight you won't have as much(sometimes) work to do since you're junior. The key thing is experience plus for the truly ambitious after some time with the new job you can find another and try to do both, only if you get pretty comfortable with the first job, that's what I did.
i am finding where im from junior jobs exist less than underpaying mid level dev they like to stick the word junior in front of.
I just started volunteering my web development skills at an organization. Sure, there's no pay, but I get to work 100% remotely and I'm gaining experience. Without experience, most recruiters and companies don't even want to talk to you.
Three months ago I had a job interview at a WordPress agency. Without experience, of course I didn't get the job. I got back into web development in 2011 and have been struggling to break into this industry for 12 years. I say "12 years", but for a while I got burned out on rejection, so I took training to get into another industry, but eventually I decided that web development was something I want to do. I had gotten into it in the late 1990s and for 3.5 years in the early 2000s I did tech support for a web development software company, which got me interviews, sure, but not a job. The problem with job boards is there are so many people applying for the same job. Also, there are way more people who want to get into this industry than there are experienced developers, and this is why the latter make the big bucks. Right now a lot of Meetup events are online only, but attending them and networking with people there is a good option. My problem is when I lived in a big city I was getting off at 10 PM and I couldn't attend those events which were always held in the evenings.
Failing being able to attend Meetup events, finding a local business or organization to volunteer your skills to is a way to gain experience. Taking screenshots of a wall of business cards, looking up local businesses on FB or even the Yellow Book, somebody in your local area is going to need a website, and if they already have one, it may need to be updated. Of course, potential clients will have to pay for hosting and domain name fees; please don't assume those costs yourself!!!
If you love web development, you love web development, and I'd recommend sticking to it and hustling, even pounding the pavement instead of taking a pounding on the job boards. Jumping ship will cause you to lose the time and money you've already invested, and you'd have to invest time and possibly more money if you switch to something else, and you'd still have a lot of competition. Upwork and Fiverr? Lots of competition there too. At least until you get at least ten 5-star reviews, you have to sell your services at rock-bottom prices, and there's still no guarantee. Unfortunately, clients or buyers usually won't leave you a 5-star review unless you ask them, which is usually against policy on freelancing sites, so you have to get creative.
After 12 years, I finally "lucked out" and got a volunteering position with an organization that has a web development team. Hopefully it won't take you guys that long to get work experience in web development. Yes, take Coding Phase's courses. I finished his basic Next.js course and over just below 12 cumulative hours recently I finished the Next.js tutorial on their website and uploaded it to Vercel after getting the project uploaded to GitHub. The lead developer is giving me a week to get up to speed on Next.js so I don't have time for a Udemy course with dozens of hours of videos to learn Next.js from. Joe teaches you how to use the documentation. Take what you learn from Coding Phase, Udemy, wherever, and find someone to do a site for. Even if it's for low or no money, you will gain experience. Another thing I recommend. If you take this approach, make sure they give you a good recommendation on your LinkedIn profile. If you have a site, you could add it there too. Social proof.
Honestly take it, im learning and trying to make a landing page. I wish I had the skills already to start working, 50K would be amazing to me rn.
bro this make sooo much sense
Thanks bro for still watching the channel my guy. We need to bring you back to the channel
@@CodingPhase i would love to bro! recently started helping people get into tech who feel intimidated by it, so i'm learning a lot from your channel on how to help with that.
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Great advice. I've been in construction for 10 years and now make 150k. I'm gone from home all the time. I haven't been home for more than a week in 2 years. Me and the wife are preparing for the salary cut that is bound to happen with the change of careers into tech, but the low salary will be temporary
Yea sometimes a sacrifice must be made
Yep high pay in tech comes when you can provide high value, takes time to get there!
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I'm trying to get a job as a programmer, but without experience it's apparently tough. Do you think that getting any job - like e.g. warehouse, would be better than nothing? I was actually working in the warehouse before, and quit to have more time for programming, so if i have this job again, i could barely develop my programming skills (because of lack of time), and i won't get any closer to become a programmer
The problem is you probably was applying for "Front end developer" that's super competitive now since everyone is focusing on that. Should of came to codingphase.com and I would of helped you out. There's other jobs you can get to start your tech career.
50k for an european is quite a lot. I would take it.
Why make 50k when I can suck on my thumb lol. Joe keeping it real.
Lol 😂 at that point is a major hobby 👍
If you did take that job with low pay how long would you stay there or start looking for a new job with better pay?
You will continue to apply to other jobs and when the right offer comes in move on
I'm here looking for a 5k/year opportunity lol, currently at about 1500 a year
My experience about low paying job is that you might find yourself where the company's future rely on you as a dev. They'll put junior dev in the job description but find yourself as the only dev. Pls make sure to ask questions at the interview.
Yes definitely have to be careful those sweatshops
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i will be happy with a 50k as a start TBH am not in the states and am not gonna pay half of it to the IRS so am good
The fact is..any job is a good job as long as it put food on the table, pay the bills, and rent..
👍 This video sheds light on the reality of low-paying jobs for web developers. It's important to know what to expect in the industry and make informed decisions. However, it's also essential to value your skills and not settle for less than what you're worth. 💻💰 #WebDeveloper #CareerAdvice #KnowYourWorth
Yes value your skills but again if you have 6 months denying jobs because you have a Udemy phd and no experience you also have to think 🤔 maybe getting experience might be the issue. Of course don’t work at a sweatshop but 65k it’s a good starting point and people say no because they want 100k with no experience
A1
bruh I'll work deadass minimum wage, just need that experience. Play the LONG term
If only they would take me
as a morrocan struggling to find a web dev job 20k a year is a blessing
We're on the same boat I'm from Algeria
Same boat a sat
We have to trust the process i guess 😂 blad ke7la
Never base a job decision on a salary claim by a CZcams "influencer." For a first job in software development, particularly web development, if it pays the bills, the experience gained outweighs the short-term lower salary. CodingPhase's salary and loyalty advice is on the mark.
Your mindset is based on scarcity. Which you might regret once they start overloading u with more work than the salary they're offering. Desperation not good trust me.
I'm from Algeria I make 350$ a month. I'd take a tech job for as little as 25k even if they made me write Machine code lol
Yeah if it's remote live any where yeah, but if it's live in a too tier city with 25k 350 a month in Algeria might be a better deal
@@andresarias5303 yes with the currency difference
If u take lower than the budget of the position they know you’re desperate they will over work you…
I’m not saying go for the lower budget the point is if you have no money coming in and you have a job for sure let’s say 65k-70k try to negotiate but if that’s the budget n you have no other income don’t be stupid and take it. You might be out here for another 2 to 4 months with out a job
Joe just being honest 💯 A job is better than no job when you starting out. Only papi and mami kids complain about this 😂😂
Nobody honestly thinks their gonna make 6 figures cmon. Most just ppl like me who just want something to stay afloat and be okay. Like 50k to 60k. Shit.
Trust me there's people that are looking for top pay with no experience. I had a guy last year where they offered him 75k starting with no experience and dude declined it because he kept seeing dudes that have like 4 years trying to get a job and finally landed one for 120k... so he said they trying to low ball me... but he don't get mf were doing this for 4 years at home waiting for the dream job. I rather get paid 4 years 75k then me just waiting for 120k... but yeah dude still don't have a job and mind you they gave him that offer with 3 months of him learning... there's plenty of idiots out there trust me
I’d take 75 in a heartbeat lol
After I finish learning what I want to learn I ain’t taking no less than 70 lol
Im not getting out of bed for 60k… and literally i was making 60k in bed….
Everybody is not you. People are turning down 50k and they making 25k. Makes zero sense.
Exactly lol @SilverSilent
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