The Brutal Truth About The Web Development Job Market in 2024
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I love you so much😭... I almost gave up my webdev dreams coz of the negative talk on social media. And not only did you help me get back on track but you confirmed that I was on the right path. Thankyou so much
Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad we could help.
You are not alone here. I, too, have felt the urge to give up many times, especially in the face of layoffs and the rapid evolution of AI
This is one of the best, honest videos I have seen about the future of development. So many channels are releasing click-bait videos about 'tech is dead' which is so not true! Thank you for this video!
I was working for a company with old tech. It's a trade off work for someplace sketchy and have recent tech skills. Work for someplace stable and have old tech skills. Don't let a company eat up for free time to keep your skills current. Lesson learned for me.
Staying up to date makes you valuable for sure.
I just onboarded at my first job today and I sm fully self taught with no degree or BootCamp so its hard out there but if you work harder than everyone else you will win!
Congrats!!!
If you have passion, it's not hard work. I think that's the secret sauce.
Passion alone wont do it in my opinion. There is simply no replacement for decipline and hard work.@@Duelweb
If you have to work a construction job all day and have to come home and study all night every day and do that for a year 7 months... you don't do that without discipline so honestly unless you live with your parents or are already weathly enough to not work a day job and learn to code then passion wont do it for you. Plenty of unemployed passionate people.@@Duelweb
@@DuelwebNonsense!!! Enough with the passion BS. I've heard that babbling nonsense for years. You need a keen interest, yes. Passion is overused. Passion is something you would sleep, eat and breath. VERY FEW people ever find something they're passionate about AND make money with it. Don't be misguided with the passion nonsense.
Great vid
As a webdev major, I had some doubts. Thanks for letting me know!
Glad I could help!
No one doubts that the web/software development labour market will continue to grow. However, what is the applicant per job vacancy ratio? Unfortunately that will continue to grow as well, at least here in North America.
1000 candidates per one vacancy, probably
Back of the napkin math.
Number of grads: about 100k
Number of people at the end of their career in software (last 10 years): about 200k, so estimate 20k people are leaving the industry via ag-related retirement
Number of new jobs expected to be added this year in tech (not just developer): about 270k
Which means for now at least, there are about 290k openings and 100k CS grads. The rest will be filled by other majors, like math or electrical, and self-taught or bootcamp grads.
Trying to break into Tech? You need to pursue Fullstack web development in 2024! Well said Sir.
Thanks!
What a great video! Great info, concise and doesn't feel like a sales pitch. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
It's my understanding that during Covid, big tech hired about 900,000 people. The current layoffs to date, have cut about 90,000 or about the 10% of those hired. For now it just seems to be a rebalancing. Companies overhired, and they probably overpaid in the rush to hire people - many times from each other company. I don't have a crystal ball, but it's likely there will still be more layoffs to come over the shorter term as staffing and salary get back in sync. Nothing really to do, but keep your skillset sharp, stay flexible and have your resume ready to go.
Commitment to craft for sure.
He is talking about developers, comparing developers to all other people in big tech is like comparing airplanes to washing machines.
He literally shows a chart showing upwards of 270K tech layoffs in 2023 alone. Your "10% layoff rate" is complete nonsense.
About AI, as far as I understood, tools like ChatGPT need human developers code as an input to be able to generate AI generated code. So if no human developer codes, those tools won't be able to generate code anymore, I am wrong?
Totally unrelated but, have you ever thought about also doing Power Apps training? Seems like there could be corporate money in that. Just a thought :)
Great channel guys! Just keep the content rolling!!
Thanks!
7:00 This is key 🗝"I believe new web developers should pursue full stack web development"
Sure, so we can get paid exactly the same (or even less) than we used to get for doing ONE task, but for doing ALL of them
@@TheJuanivitale we don't have another option, become full-stack with the help of AI will be more affordable
@@TheJuanivitale Agreed, but sadly that is the marketplace now. 99% of job listings I see today are Full Stack Developers, usually with React or Vue experience.
I was fortunate enough to land a front end role about 2 years ago. Dont see myself leaving anytime soon. Use every opportunity to grow and learn new things !
hey bro. I'm 24 and I'm jobless... how hard is it to start learning front end web development? please guide me.
And they're still saying unemployment rate is only 2%
ive already spent enough time looking, being stood up by recruiters, wasting money on site hosting and more. It's to demoralizing to continue. People have different experiences. You get cancer months after staring game dev/simulations course only to transition to web etc etc. its terrible people in area. but that my experience.
I am a python developer, i had in and out learning experience of 7 years, last 2 years i tried seriously looking at web developement job, i have couple of full stack projects, i even learned react a little, but here i am, over last 7 months am in search for payed internship but no luck am still uneployed, but am not losing hope tho
absolute genius way of promoting courses. thank you.
I got laid off in June 2023 and am still looking for work in 2024. I am not seeing the upside (at least in the UK/Europe).
You promised a new blazor course for the beginning of this year :) Do you have any estimation for the release?
We are working on the self paced version (no set release date). We have taught it in person starting in Jan.
So many people claiming to be gull stack yet seriously lack in both. You're going to be better at one... you don't have that much energy to advance both same
Masterful delivery. I'm in finance and not looking to pivot to web development (yet?), but I still enjoy watching these videos.
Thanks for the kind words.
I was part of the 7k in December
It was great as always, professor
Thanks! 😃
I just got laid off from my non-tech job. I'm terrified of being forced to find an entry-level tech job right now, but I was way too complacent with job hunting since I started last year, so maybe it's the universe's way of getting me off my ass. Once upon a time I was addicted to coding and felt unstoppable, but I gotta admit the constant doomscrolling got to me. It seems like watching any development content on CZcams is an easy way to constantly get demoralizing clickbait suggested to you.
I appreciate the honesty and clear-headed analysis of the facts which has been rare for the last year. This dark moment for the industry will pass. If anything, it's a good wake-up call to never get complacent once you're in and to always continue to network and skill up, since even after breaking in you can always be tossed right back out.
Sorry about the layoffs. But I hope this video gives you some encouragement.
Full-stack Bootcamp grad, have been applying for about a year and a half with no luck, no interviews or phone screening, have had my resume looked at by many people including the people responsible for outcome in my bootcamp, I go to career fairs when I can, I’m a full stack developer like I mentioned, what am I doing wrong ?
I'm not sure. Send your portfolio to info@coderfoundry.com. I will take a look.
A year and a half of applying and not 1 interview? Are you black listed or something 😳
@@jdizzle22396 what di you mean by blacklisted, how do I know if I’m blacklisted or not?
Anyone saying the tech industry is dead or AI is going to replace programmers makes me wonder if they have any experience being a programmer. I did 3 years in backend and am now learning frontend which is just as complicated. No way AI is going to replace skilled developers. I am using ChatGPT more and more now and it's like a StackOverflow instructor. I ask it questions, there is a fluid conversation about code principles. That part I like! But if I tried to get it to understand the business problem I am trying to solve... it'll respond just like how my college professors would respond, "I'm not familiar with your companies application." So, use AI as a tool to understand code principles and create boilerplates. Stuff that's specific to the companies web app, best leave it to the developers to discuss and figure it out.
Ai will never replace devs you are correct.
@@CoderFoundry and no one will ever replace puppies 🐶 woof woof!
Waiting for your blazor course using the latest tech. .net 8 and the render modes
We are working on the self paced version. We have taught it in person starting in Jan.
Can't wait@@CoderFoundry
Congratulations on 100k subs! 🎉🎉
Thank you!!
I got an associate in Network administration worked as a system admin for a while and just 8 months ago landed a software dev position by begging the dev team lol.. not ideal but im in lol good luck all!
Is html n css still important in 2024
100% it is the basis of building webpages
@@CoderFoundry thanks m a biginner m doing html n css first before everything so m in level of displaying pics n vids
AI will not replace developers per se, but it will make developers more efficient, thus decrease the number of developers needed to produce the same output. It will also democratize the discipline, meaning, more people will qualify to work in the space.
The number of developers is going to double not decrease.
@@CoderFoundry You might be right... but job seekers' career prospects will suffer if the number of job applicants rise faster than job vacancies. The supply & demand of the dev labour market will continuously work against the employees as AI makes the work more efficient.
Honestly, I don't think AI is going to make any great impact. If your job can be replaced by AI then you probably weren't doing much development anyway. Repetitively hooking up CRUD apps isn't development. Its service deployment.
@@samuelclemens6841 I hope I won't come across as arguing about semantics, but 'replace' is such a black & white, 'one for one' word, like a new football coach replacing the old one. I agree that AI won't replace your job or any dev's job per se, but improvement in efficiency will DISPLACE a lot of jobs. It always has.
@@UvstudioCaToronto The industry has always expanded. Tools have been getting better since the beginning. We just build more complex apps now. The same holds true now. AI is just another tool. The jobs are going to be there but it is not the only profession.
The solution is simple. Get rid of management and upper management and the project managers and make the web developers be the managers because they're the only ones that know how all of this works.
I agree with a lot of what you said. Bootstrap recommendation I don't agree with. In a vacuum, it looks like it's the most used so obviously pick that. But when your resume goes out and it says Bootstrap as your CSS framework, there are 200 other Junior resumes saying the same thing. Tailwind is the up and coming, the one people in the industry are excited about and adoption is about half or so that of Boostrap. It also prevents websites from "looking like Bootstrap", so your projects won't look like everyone else's.
It's not bad if your goal is "get in industry ASAP". But if you want to be viewed as less Junior Dev and more Dev, Tailwind would be my pick.
Also, Typescript if you go the Node/JavaScript as backend route. Yeah, JavaScript is enough. But it's that same "do you want to be seen as a Junior?" situation. Typescript is just more "I'm better, because I put in more than the minimum" messaging.
Also a good idea to spend half your time continuing learning and the other half applying, too. When ready to apply that is.
Of course if you've got the time... do both. ;)
Pick a stack and go with it. That's what we teach based on a lot of research and market demand. But it's not the only way.
@@CoderFoundry definitely pick a stack. Don't pick more than 1, haha.
Wholeheartedly agree with OP
Software development will be replaced by outsourcing and Artificial Intelligence. I was laid off recently, and I only get calls for short term contract jobs (six months or more). That's it. There will be fewer developers in 2024. The market is completely overly saturated. Yes, if you look at the countries hiring developers for cheaper, they are hiring more. But for every development position that is outsourced, that is one person who is out of a job.
Outsourcing has been around for 25 years. AI is not replacing devs. Dev salaries have not dropped.
If you live and work in the US, you have a major advantage over anyone outside trying work in US either remote or trying to get a visa.
@@CoderFoundry This field is unstable. My friend was unemployed for six months. Please don't say I have an advantage, I don't.
Skillset is the major advantage. Keep your skills relevant, and being a us citizen is advantage.
I am a U.S. citizen. Although I am going to go for an Angular certification, I don't think it is going to help me. I have recent experience in older technologies (since 2021). Even after having my resume recently professionally done. I want to get a job and hit the ground running. It's just hard. When I watch recent graduates unemployed for a long time on different channels it is depressing to me. They usually have a more trained skill set than I do. If it's happening to them, than it will definitely happen to me. I am going to try freelancing at this point.
@@CoderFoundry You are right. It's hard to have all the skills up to date, unfortunately in this day and age it's impossible to have all the latest skills, when some employers ask for ten in demand skills. I don't think anybody has experience in all of them. When I lost my job in 2021 I took anything in the tech industry that would pay me. Unfortunately it was for outdated software skills (which I didn't even know, although I could do them, it was for a programming language used in the late 90s). I am trying my best to learn everything new, but it is hard. I personally don't want to work a remote job.
Nice slhill video.. reality is I've applied to over 1000 jobs.. not even an interview. Got a couple of calls and emails but they didn't amount to anything. For every job posting there's 50-500 appliicants... and if you are a junior then forget about it😊
Sorry to hear that. But send me a link to your portfolio and linkedin. To info@coderfoundry.com
Do you have a degree?
Yep, again if you don't have a CS degree and experience (at the very least a solid internship), you'd be extremely lucky to even get called in for an interview.
Recruiters and managers have so many applicants, they're not going to spend time checking self taught applicants' GitHub links and portfolios when they don't see a CS degree and prior, relevant experience.
@user-ql5jk2bt9c I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm currently going for bachelors and then masters.. however, when I started this journey in 2021 it was a different story. Companies were hiring bootcamp and self taught left and right. I just got in the game too late and by the time I knew enough to get a job the market shifted back to degree holders again. In addition to that, the market shrank as a whole, thousands of experienced developers who were laid off flooded the market and still do to this day. One more factor is AI has decreased the need for junior devs so even WITH a bachelors or masters with no experience it's still pretty hard to get interviews because of the above listed reasons. Unfortunately I was dragged into the promises of the gold rush of tech jobs in 2020-2021 and was just too late
should i start ai or start fullstackweb?
Fullstack web
im cs 2nd year and im scared of if im go for fullstack and ai take my job. what do you think? i can go for ai too.@@CoderFoundry
I just dont want to be homeless man i need to know you're not just giving me hope because you have a bootcamp to sell
If you don't feel like you can do it, then don't do it. If you risk being homeless by taking our program, I'm not sure how we would cause that. Don't take the program.
However, the job market for developers is strong, and the pay is great. But not everyone can do it. We will tell you if you are a fit for our program if you reach out to us. We only accept people that we feel can pass and be successful.
The only thing AI is definitely going to replace are journalists, pure spreadsheet/number crunching jobs, and conceptual art based roles.
Any job that actually requires human involvement and has a hint of liability, no business is going to risk it all on AI . Who would they blame if it goes wrong? Who would correct the mistakes if the AI gets it wrong? Guarantees about data confidentiality?
Ehhhh, the goal of AI is to replace everyone. If AI doubles productivity, half of us are out of work.
I couldn’t offer to work for free to get experience in 2007-2008…
That was a bad time.
Creative cannot replace ai
Apple fired our team in 2022. I still can't find work.
Embedded and infrastructure fields are still good and alive, why are you only talking about webdev ?
My experience is web dev. But other areas are great as well.
Hello sir Bobby do I need to learn . Net core or MVC?
Mvc is in .net core. Mvc is a design pattern. .net core is the version of .net.
@@CoderFoundry I should learn it with C#.
Yes
With all of these people "trying to break into tech" and are saturating the market, they are forgetting the basic law of supply and demand. High supply = lower salaries. If you don't accept the low offer, someone else will.
Define low offer. I am seeing offers in the mid 60's for first time web devs.
@@CoderFoundry I think maybe you missed the point of my comment. Many of these people trying to "break into tech" are expecting starting salaries around $100k, which is why most of them want to do it in the first place. The more the market gets saturated, the lower the starting salary (offer) will be. Again, the law of supply and demand. BTW, I think $60k is very reasonable and realistic as a junior starting salary.
That's what we tell everyone that in most cases 60k is what you should expect.
Absolutely true, and I see more and more "junior" roles (with lower salaries) that actually require the skills and experience of a more senior role.
@@CoderFoundryI’d be happy with 40k starting out
7:12
I disagree, I feel like C should not be put ahead, leaving PHP out of the equation. Webassembly is not quite there yet, PHP still maintains the higher server share and with AI integration with WordPress I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Lots of jobs, I still can't seem to find one though as a senior C# developer!
It is true everyone wants full stack developers. At first I was rejecting full stack jobs as I don't like overly complicated front end frameworks like React, etc. But it seems that it what the industry wants, unnecessary complexity. I guess I was a bit ahead of the industry when I was advocating for IntercoolerJS (now HTMX) and am still a bit ahead of the industry for that. In the meantime I guess I need to work with React or Angular for whatever job will take me.
You have to build the skill set the market wants. I don’t love react either, but that’s what pays the bills.
Personally I think that at most organizations, they can't really tell what the difference is in skills. They just see "programmer" and think you just know every skill and everything.
I say that as someone who has thirty years experience and I DO have a lot more generalized experience in everything. But I also have the wisdom to know I don't know everything and I have varying depth of expertise in areas. It's really hard to convey that to your employer.
Pretty cocky to think you know better than the market. It's developers who keep picking React over HTMX, and likely mostly seniors deciding the tech. HTMX can get you half of the way really easy, but then you're only half way there. Unless you're making blogs or small sites
what about devin ?
You uploaded this video before devin
Devin didn't make the form to sign up. They used Google forms. Just sayin
The growth of the developer population is ACTUALLY the problem here. More devs means oversaturated market, which means more devs that no one hires...
It's job growth. Jobs are expected to grow
The overwhelming majority of employers are looking for experienced developers. People who can quickly learn the company specific policies and get going asap. People with no programming experience in "the real world" are lucky if they get called for an interview.
Nice try, I just don't see it. Maybe programmers don't have it as bad but WebDevs are just not getting hired. And AI will not make it any better for WebDevs.
There are lots of job openings currently for web dev. Ai is a tool it makes jobs easier in some cases, but it can not replace a web developer.
Make your own decisions and pursue a career you want. But web dev is in demand and will continue to be.
@@CoderFoundry I don't think so, but I understand that you have to say this, it's your thing.
So i guess no will build websites anymore? The 14K openings for basic simple search on indeed with the keywords "web developer" They are all fake? Are looking for a web developer job?
@@CoderFoundry Building websites and many other things will be as easy to get and do for the avg Joe and Jane as it is doing a Google search nowadays. I know you have to keep your gig going and it's fine, I get it, but it's just a matter of time (sooner than later at this rate) and you know it. 14K openings is nothing in the grand scheme of things. I too have ties to the tech industry and I see how bad things are getting, more layoffs and dwindling hiring. It is what it is.
We can agree to disagree. I think the youtube video is backed by lot of stats and resources. Its not based on my opinion but industry resources. I know the industry is growing because I'm watching it. If you don't believe the industry is growing no one is going to convince you otherwise. Which is fine. We all have do something for a living and this is not the only job.
BTW, a average person with no experience cannot build web application or even a website with a google search. Building a modern full stack application requires knowledge and skill. Its not easy. Even that best generative ai platfoms (Open AI) ) can barely make a functional html landing page with css. Can AI like copilot help a knowledgeable developer? 100% for sure. Can it take a novice turn them into a web dev capable of building applications? No. Its not even close.
The founder of Nvidia, one of the leading companies creating the AI future, just advised future generations not to go into computer science or coding because AI will make everyone coders (paraphrasing although I do recommend watching the interview). Does he know something the rest of us don't or is he off his rocker?
czcams.com/video/8Pm2xEViNIo/video.html
Is he saying that because he believes it, or does he want to increase his stock price?
We are so far off from it coding everything without programmers.
Also, I don't think a prompt interface will ever be great at building complex apps.
@CoderFoundry good question. He sounds so convincing, it's tough for me to tell.