Korean American OG reacts to THE RISE OF BANGTAN | Chapter 02: Begin [Reaction]
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- This was more serious. I talked about the times and background of the K-pop industry and societal pressure put on the kids. It was so nice to see them begin their journey though. I really like their earlier stuff. There was so much energy.
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While a lot of reactors dive into this series I really appreciate your serious thought and sincerity. It's been very enjoyable, learning things from your perspectives. I know how I interpreted things in the west while BTS were coming up, It's nice to know the other side as well.
Thank you. I always wanted to share my experience with others. Being an insider as well as being an outsider.
Thanks for your commentary, John. Also, it’s fun to see these early videos of SUGA when I just saw him in concert last night. I think he may have been a tiny bit surprised (in a good way) at how enthusiastic our East Bay ARMY were. And the staging was jaw-dropping.
Oh.. you guys must have had so much fun. I miss the bay so much too. -.-
Your recount of Korea's devastating past and its residual effects is one of many reasons I have such respect for BTS and the hardship they have endured especially when compared with Western artists, (at least the well off anglo-saxon ones).
Not many western artists, ( if any) have had to deal with the intense societal, scholastic, and mandatory military service pressures that BTS, ( and other Idol's) have to deal with. Don't know if I articulated that right, my brain has a lot it wants to say but can't organize it well!
Anyway, thank you again, especially for the historical context.
I got ya. My own kids had to grow up here and my son is serving as we speak. They do have much pressure to survive and succeed in this competitive environment. I do feel for them and our nation, which had to be this way.
thank you for reacting and thank you for explaining the history and society of Korea... it was very interesting... one Day i will visit Korea.. i like this Land and People so much..🧡
Welcome to Korea~ It is a nice place. Have its wonderful sides and shortcomings, just like anywhere else. But I am pretty sure you will enjoy the visit.
I have only recently discovered your channel, but I am enjoying your comments and insight very much. And I look forward to enjoying watching more of Rise Of Bangtan with you. As well as your other BTS reactions.
Thank you for sharing your time, and your very interesting insights with us. 💜
Thank you for visiting. Hope you enjoy.
I think, in this day in age, especially in this country, we have lost the art of debating and respectful, constructive criticism. Your insights are a breath of fresh air, thank you!
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It saddens me so much. Even journalist media are sitting around making drama and pushing agenda. I mean, even the sports shows have sensationalistic loudmouths yammering. Loss of intellectualism will result in terrible loss for everyone. Even science is being denied as a 'point of view'
That clip that describes how M countdown and the like works, is from the Uk. Top of the pops was a music show that would have acts that were in the top 40 UK singles chart that week (our billboard), there was no voting, it was just a reflection of records sold. This is what most UK people would be familiar with when you say a music show. I think that’s the reason he said it’s like a cross between TOTP and X Factor. With X factor there is audience voting. You could also never have a debut on TOTP, you have to already be in the charts, whereas X Factor you can be seeing someone for the first time. It’s not a perfect analogy, but I think for a UK audience it gets the general idea across.
Oh I see thank you very much. That makes sense. 👌 I think I got confused because some music shows audience voting is via ARS phone deal. They do not have a fixed live audience. Anyway thanks for help.
I really enjoy your reaction, and your comments. It's very interesting to have your insights about the Korean society, and the Kpop, it's add a deeper layer to this ROB serie witch is already so well done.
My first time watching your reaction! And I would like to say thank you and I really enjoyed your reaction along with your insight about how things were back in those days! I'll be looking forward to watching more! I was in agreement with you about how so many that have decided to join the kpop world in general, have waaay to many opinions and judgements about someone else's part of the world . I'm from the USA, Texas and I was brought up to (not) judge ppl or cultures in any kind of way. I was taught that if you Listen🙉 you will gain more knowledge and then instead of using careless words, one can embrace and have a great understanding ! That is what most of Army's represent in my opinion, of course there are always the ones that are ignorant and hide behind keyboards to carry out their unhappiness. I feel so incredibly proud of all those Bangtan boys for standing in their beliefs and overcoming the ( baddd ppl) my parents and grandparents always said that 🥰good will (always win over evil!!) I choose to believe that! 😊
You had wise parenrs and grandparents. The fact that you have listened and retained their wisdom speaks volumes to your character. Thanks for visiting, and I hope to see you around. 👋
yes they were more free. you see that all the time at korean award shows and also their style is designed to suit each member and yet still fit in with theme they where going for. other groups was like almost like identical twins. i could not tell them apart.
also they where aloud to be themself on interviews and at award shows. people saw who they were as people and not only as a group
there is a whole collection of videos of the contrast between them. it´s so funny
JK made me cry. He was such a sweet boy.
I thank you so much for sharing your stories about Korea. Makes me think, and want to know more.
Thanks for sharing your history in brief that needed for everyone have to know the time lapse along in your age as witness the changes in your country. Borahe.
Thanks for visiting. Hope I can be of some help in understanding Korea.
Your commentary and insight has added so much value to my understanding of Korea in general and K-pop. Thank you so much. Fighting!
Thanks so much for all ure insights, I truly look forward to ure vids especially ure ROB ones, I always learn so much! 💜💜💜
I thought I talked too much but... ^^ It makes me very happy that there are those who are interested in them
@@komerican-og I didn’t think so! I mean I watch ure vids cause I want to see ure reaction as well as hear ure thoughts about what u are watching…cause really I’ve watched these ROB episodes sooo many times now, sometimes I don’t even read the subtitles coz I know what they are saying from memory 😂😂 so it’s nice hearing u speak about things!!
Memorizing 21 chapters... Wow.. That's a lot of viewing.
@@annac1540 thanks for speaking out my thoughts.. just found this channel and I'm hooked because of the insights/thoughts.. that earn a sub for me
Welcome and thank you for your support.
14:14 it is said that it is like a surprise
Like a final trick on the sleeve
It creates a buzz
It is said that some companies are good at poaching talents from debuting companies and depending from their strategy
The poached talent may be offered a better deal or is used as a pawn in a larger scheme.
Meaning talents are hard to come by so if you plush them from competition
It helped your own game
There are exit fees to a contract but a big company may afford it or a rich trainee may wave it.
Trouble with trading it doesn’t guarantee a place on the stage.
Like in the model industry a trainee must payback the investment made by the agency.
Your comments are so informative and interesting! You bring an important perspective to the story of idols and Korean culture. Thank you
As always, you have outdone yourself John👏...excellent cultural/history insights into your hard-working/determined and successful country🇰🇷, as well as the Kpop 'industry'...!!👍
So very many of us have grown to highly respect what Korea has achieved and appreciate learning more from you...someone who has experienced/lived in both East/West cultures and can explain the differences (or similarities)...
Thank you again, K-OG for your input and hard work...!!👍 You are adding even more depth to this superbly made series💜...double the enjoyment...!!👏✌
Thank you. Such kind words as always. You keep it up and I might get Big HEADED. ^^
@@komerican-og Deserving/sincere support👍for a sharp/down-to-earth guy...just like we see/feel for BTS💜...none of you will get 'too big for your pants' as they used to say here...😅
By the way, what are you doing 'working' at 2/3/4am...are you keeping Western hemisphere hours...?!?😲😏
@@komerican-og I think you have a ways to go before it's a problem 😁
I really don't sleep much. Being a Vampire and all.....^^ Not sleeping much is real though.
@@komerican-og 😅An attribute of Vampires and very successful people👍...so they say...!✌
Me encantan tus aportaciones porque nos ayuda a entender cosas que ciertamente como personas tan ajenas a Corea no sabemos, y siempre con respeto. Gracias por ayudarnos a entender mas de BTS
It’s definitely a double standard and it’s usually the western world looking down on Kpop and finding fault. My humble opinion- borahae 😊
Trying to dismiss something they don't understand is a natural thing. We always seem to do that throughout our history.
I think other companies tried to take V I'm not sure but he was like the hidden weapon 🤔
thanks for your knowledge about s. Korea towards the end of the video. i got into bts in 2017 just for the music but i have learned so much about s. Korea a long the way. not sure if i would have learned so much without first pursuing bts. wishing the s. Korean people lots of good wishes
Thank you so much.
I appreciate your sensible explanation of the Music Scene in South Korea They were so young. They work as a tight group, but as we can see now, they were all individuals and have so talented. I am Vintage Army and dived into the BTS RABBIT HOLE in June 2021 and have watched everything 3 times. They are credit to South Korean Music Industry and also the South Korea Culture. RM has 148Q. JIMIN and JK have 128 IQ. This does not diminish JIN, SUGA, JHOPE. V who are all so smart and talented. They all had It so hard, but have such a beautiful bond between them and remained him to this day. The 3 maknae line, Jimin, V and JK are so lucky they had the older members Jin, Suga Jhope, and RM.
Thankyou for explaining this history, which I studied thanks to BTS. Western society don't understand. All their lyrics are so meaningful and speak the truth. Borahea 💜
The more I watch you the more my desire to visit Korea starts to seem like it's a real possibility. There's so much I'd like to see in person 😁
Also, the people who criticize the Korean idol training system from outside are somehow almost never interested in criticizing the Western versions. It's just racism. I promise every entertainment industry has problems.
I want the system to be a good one in both cases. I think there's some really good movement toward artist engagement in k-pop, and an expansion of creative control. We also see more artists publicly supporting each other, which I really like.
I grew up in theater, so the youth of idol trainees isn't an automatic issue for me. A reason to hope care is being taken yes, a problem in itself no. Every time someone points it out I ask them to look into youth athletes. It's a similar amount of discipline with similar downsides.
Korea Tourism Bureau should give me something for my hard work ^^ Hope you visit and have a wonderful time here.
You are so right on the money on this one. 👏 My feeling exactly.
I wouldn’t say it is racist I would say it is xenophobia or just ignore and/or media play
@@amberpearce710 It can also be xenophobia, but I'm not going to pretend there isn't racial bias in play. White westerners aren't particularly subtle about anti-Asian sentiment. BTS did a whole white house visit about it.
@@komerican-og I'm not shocked we agree 😁 it's a nuanced reality and that makes it hard to talk about. I really appreciated your plea for everyone to remember that they're kids - generally very sweet kids. There's a lot of pressure to work well with others and anyone who doesn't take criticism well will fail out fast 😂 so it's not surprising the ones who succeed are generally nice people.
I don't think we all talk enough about the rest of the creative teams - we focus on the idols because they're the faces of the work, but the teams behind those performances are amazing. And if the same people are staying in those roles long-term, that's solid evidence for a good work environment.
I want a future where idols, if and when they step down from performing, will have an easy transition into whatever aspect of the industry appeals to them most, because they will have had opportunities to explore those roles.
Bummer no one's asking me 🤣 but still, I think there are good people (like Suga) who share that vision.
Thanks for your reaction, you really show us how things were, something the Western mind might not have understood. However it crosses my mind, I think it's mentioned later, is the high suicide rates amongst the kids. Ages 10-19 due to the pressures, and that SK had the highest in the world! I think this is where BTS were speaking to their peers not to give up and live to have a dream to pursue. I could be wrong, but that is how I understood it. Perhaps you could speak more to this when you watch the episode.
The pressure from the parents and society as the growth slows down is difficult. The hyper -competitive nature is difficult to control and there seems to be little they can do. It is really difficult to tell parents to stop pressuring kids to do well in school. However, low.. very low birth rates in Korea and more options in life are slowly changing some parents' minds. However, much social effort has been put in to prevent suicides and raising the understanding of mental health issues. Before, getting any counseling or psychiatric help was deemed for crazies. These days it is much more accepted. It is hard to explain about a society that was very unstable for longest time. Unspoken sentiment that if you are not strong enough to survive, perhaps it wasn't meant to be, type of mentality was common. A good example of such thoughts would be ' Your grand dad almost died from starvation and was too poor to recieve any education. He ended up getting shot during the war.... and you are complaining about sitting in a nice warm room with a full belly cuz you have the luxury of studying?' This is common way people looked at life. It is changing but it takes time.
Thanks for the history lesson..
Maybe you should write and publish a book?
Your insights are valuable!
Borahae!
Hello Sunbaenim ^^ I always wanted to write a book but on some other subject. Lol. I am too lazy.
@@komerican-og Maybe u can find a partner to help write it?
What subject?
Fiction or Non-Fiction?
I also want to write a book but are too lazy too..hah,hah..little bae!💜
@@kimpykimpton6138 Fiction but my writing skills will not be good enough. For example something based on my mother's life. She had amazing journey of a life. Going through some major events in China, America and Korea. My life experiences were somewhat unique too. I always wanted to share some of it as a backbone for some fictional stories. The road less traveled by... It has made all the difference. Lol
@@komerican-og Sounds fascinating!
Kind of like Amy Tan’s novel about her mom?
I met Amy thru her son who was my friend’s husband..
I think you have more positive qualities than she does..jus’ sayin’..lol!
Can u take a creative writing class or two?
I have a friend who became a writer when he took classes and his professor saw his raw talent and encouraged/helped him to develop his craft…☯️
I truly might, but for now, I am concentrating on a project. It is all consuming.
They hid Taehyung until after debut because BH was worried another company would poach him
He really is a good looking dude and talented too so understandable. Lol
@@komerican-og They were not afraid of poaching: it was a marketing trick. After all they didn't have the same connections as bigger companies so they needed people to talk as possible and Taehyung can be charmingly weird.
Got ya.
@John Kim (Komerican OG)
I just subscribed and I’m trying to catch up on your channel with all your Content and this particularly interest me because I am from Michigan ,Motown area! And I lived during that area cause I’m a little older than you! Berry Gordy was not the first to establish A record label Motown sound really didn’t start taking off until the 1960s! it was Cadillac records and that’s where he got the idea from Mr. Leonard Chess of Cadillac records or Chess Record company in Chicago Illinois where the soul/ Blues and R&B sound was developed ,where the it started in the 1950s! Berry Gordy knew about Cadillac records and he wanted to develop something similar in Detroit Michigan! So that Motown sound was kind of a copy cat/piggy back of the Cadillac record sound in Chicago Illinois.
The K-pop South Korean entertainment company started literally with Lee Soo Man, he’s really the godfather of KPOP he’s the one that started the trainee program that we know now and I definitely know because I have friends who work in the business and they told me They actually met him back in the late 80s and he got a lot of some ideas from the new boy bands that were starting in the west or in the United States and he developed a certain type of system that is still being practice today with the other k-pop companies. Bang Shi Hyuk The founder and chairman and ex CEO of BIGHIT/ HYBE Labels entertainment company ,wanted to start his own company because he was working with JYP before he started his own company that’s where he got his ideas from! So what I’m saying here is technically nobody is in originator of something unless you can trace it back to who was the first person to actually establish some thing then everybody else started copying and piggybacking off of the main source company of K-pop!
Ooh.. great info on Cadillac records. A kindred soul I see. I do agree with you in most aspects. However, my view is that most systems do piggyback but evolution or enough originality should be respected too. I do agree Lee Sooman should be applauded for his work. He was the first crazy dude who set this up in Korea. I got into KPOP researching Business systems so my perspective might be a bit different. I focused on Business side of set up and marketing methodology more than the creative process. Hope I can learn more from you. See you around.
Excellent commentary as usual. Thank you!
I have a question that I've been wondering about in Korean education. According to a BTS guide, the members are all fluent in Japanese. Is this because it is taught in regular school or would they learn it in their trainee education? Or on their own? Also is there any overlap of Korean & Japanese at all? Or is it 100% different? Is there a difference between the generations in Korea regarding how much Japanese they would know? Would you regularly hear Japanese spoken in Korea? Like we hear Spanish spoken in the US?
In the states (at least where & when I grew up), we took some foreign language in high school & college, but depending on your school, you could choose which one. (Spanish, French, & German are the choices I had, for instance.) For me at least, those classes alone were not enough for fluency.
My friend who grew up in Norway said that they started taking English in 3rd grade & continued on, so by the time I met her in college, she was nearly as fluent as I was. I was just curious what Korea does. Please know that I mean no offense, & I apologize if any of my questions are offensive. (Also please let me know if they are, so I'll know!) I just like to learn from people & you explaining from your perspective is so much better than Google. 💜
Having a curious mind can not be and should not be deemed offensive. It is a wonderful thing. Japanese is not a must in Korea. Also, we do not hear Japanese on the streets. Almost never. Two languages are completely different. You can choose as one of your second languages in high school. However, the required level is much lower than US. As far as speech is concerned. The reason they speak Japanese is because Japan has 2nd biggest music market in the world. It is targeted so the company makes idols learn the language. As far as similarity is concerned, Japanese is the easiest language to learn for a Korean. Many of the word origin comes from Chinese words. Because we used to and they still use Chinese characters as part of their written language. So many words share the same root. Just like Latin origin for many western languages. The reason it is very easy for Korean is that the grammatical structure of the two languages is very similar.
Also, Japanese have limited sounds they can make of which Koreans have no problem pronouncing them. The reverse is not true. So, Koreans can pick up Japanese faster than any other language. Older generations, such as my father's generation or older, went through Japanese occupation. They had to learn Japanese and were not allowed to learn Korean. We had to change our name to a Japanese one etc. Basically a cultural genocide. Therefore, Korean people have a certain feeling about Japan as a country. We don't really hate the Japanese as people. Many love their culture. It is a complicated matter but if you do some research, you will find that the Japanese Gov. has been changing history to deny their past. Hence the Korean dismay. The two culture is entirely separate culture. Different ideologies, aesthetics, religion, food, language, social structure, personalities etc. Just all different for thousands of years. Hope this helped. See you next time. Just think of England and France. Both find linguistic roots to Latin but see how different they are. And the wars they had. Lol. However, we have always been on the receiving end. (This is understandable in a way. Japanese felt trapped in their islands and Koreans never really wanted the islands so....)
@@komerican-og Thank you so much for your explanation. It really helps!
Idk how much they teach (since I don’t live in Korea) but I have heard that Korean and Japanese are very similar. However from Korean to English they are completely opposites so it is a lot harder for Koreans…this is what I have heard…
I wish in the US they taught us a foreign language as we are learning English in elementary school (maybe Spanish since their are so many Spanish speaking people or at least where I live).
@@amberpearce710 Being multilingual is not only good for practical purposes. It opens the mind to another culture. Ability to accept the differences that exist in this world.
@amberpearce710 the structure is different. I GO HOME in Korean would be I home go. English and Chinese are similar in structure and Korean and Japanes are similar in that way.
When you say the mountains were red, do you mean it was on fire? (I'm hoping you don't mean it was bloody because that's a different type of horrific even though both are terrible. RM spoke about how Korean history had a sort of darkness that made it necessary for people to work really hard to pull the nation into growth and betterment. It was in response to a reporter essentially trying to paint a narrative of Korea's work habits being toxic and linking it to kpop idols and how hard they work etc. I think people tend to forget that culture isn't created in a vacuum. It's often an effect that has a cause.
It saddens me that some people have been needlessly mean to you on the channel. You are always so respectful toward BTS and any critiques you have are constructive, honest and polite. There's no need at all to lash out or anything. I'm glad you keep making videos and sharing your insight with us.
Oops. I confused Korean expression with Enlish. The color of earth, or brown would have been more appropriate. If you find Korean landscape from that time you would see barren mountains. And you are correct about nothing coming from vacuumed. Idols are just a microcosm of Korean society. All kids go through rigorous life with sleepless nights and exhausting work, if you want to have a chance to succeed. It is getting much better though.
The phrase "no pain no gain" comes to mind, BTW. Koreans chose to sacrifice themselves to have better lives for future generations. Because it has been horrendous in the past. However, now things are better, I truly hope they slow down a bit. However, values and habits don't change easily. Good news is that things are getting better.