THE INNER TRUTH OF RUSS! WHAT DOES MAGNUS KNOW?
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- čas přidán 10. 12. 2023
- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we're discussing a particular comment of Magnus the Red's that's been stuck in my mind the past few days, how he claims to know a darker truth within Leman Russ and the Space Wolves...
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the truth is: Russ is a powerful psyker. He didnt want to use it.(remember when he lands on Prospero and his bared Rage makes all the Glass windows of Tizca explode with it's unleashed psychic ferocity) but he started listening to the runes at the end of the heresy. He's known about Chaos but didnt know he was a minor warp god put into a flesh vessel by the emperor.
which is why I think that Russ could enter into the Black Library
He also /changes size/ on Prospero…
to add: As the most knowledgeable rune priest Russ instructed his legion to use runes to keep their latent psyker potential in check, which is why their psykers are far more successful at keeping the dangers/corruption of the warp at bay compared to other legions.
Just big ol psycher surrounded by an army of blanks.
@@bl5365baseless bullshit.
Magnus: THEY CANT EVEN READ!!!
I would love for Russ to come back with an Odin look before Magnus, only to reveal his missing shards and put them back into him, thwarting Tzeentch's plans in the most unexpected way possible. 😂
That would be the most glorious thing.
Russ showing back up as a one eyed Odin like psyker is probably my most looked forward to seeing theory.
It would be a great step in Russ and Magnus's story to see Russ return as a loyalist reflection of Magnus
that would never happen, Russ has always had an innate and blood born hatred of Magnus, its heavily hinted at that Russ even knew Horus was lying but played along with the lie just so he could purge Magnus and his sons.
@@DeathSithe92 And then Russ had character development down the line.
Yes, I know GW has an allergy to character development and change (or giving Eldar wins) most of the time, but I don't think they would fumble the bag that much. If the Lion became more merciful, I don't see why Russ couldn't change his views.
That, or he just won't return back to the setting similar to Ferrus or stay in the Warp like Corvus. ;/
He should give Magnus his own eye to restore him
Wolfsbane is such a fantastic book. I've never understood all the hate for Russ, all the primarchs have been stupid at times. Russ has a very clear character development arc from "prospero burns" all the way through to "Wolfsbane" with the biggest developments being in "Wolf King".
I know right?! Russ has been complex, but a straight character. Those two books are some of the best character development for Russ.
Russ is one of the few primarchs that has had an amazing character development arc. Other primarchs two but Russ and the wolves more so
Wolfsbane was great. As a new warhammer fan. I think the Older fans may have had a diffrent depiction of Russ and these books shed some new light and presented him more than "Just a Barbarian". But Russ is awesome. My favorite Primarch.
It's all Lemans fault. He should have stayed on Terra
Russ has growth but he also failed drastically a lot and in major ways. His vehement opposition to psychers in the council of Nichea, his attempt to teach Angron a lesson, his absolute failure to follow the Emperor’s orders in regards to Magnus which assured the thousands sons turn to the war master and his failure to kill Horus when he had the chance.
He’s the executioner but absolutely failed that role by staying his hand against Horus in the hope he could bring him back. Which led to his legion getting wrecked and Leman getting injured and out of the fight during the Siege.
I like him but the fallout from his hubris was massive.
I mostly agree with Rho here. I think magnus was mostly referring to the mark of Russ and was just wicked bitter and spiteful (rightfully so). That said there could be more to the runes than we think. This is 40K and GW loves a good rizz. Enjoyed this!
An interesting theory, I think Russ has access to the Black Library. The Library only allows those who've conquered the Chaos within themselves to enter, and it seems that Russ has conquered the chaos within himself.
Where are you getting this from ?
@@201bfmurf Mostly piecing this together, after reading books regarding Russ, also trying to figure out what they are doing with his mindset, I've been coming up with theories. Russ might be one of the biggest wild cards that the Imperium has. I had one theory that Russ took his retinue to guard the location of the Star Child. Basically, Russ has some pretty untapped potential when it comes to story building.
It's a muddled truth. All Primarch are made from the warp, it's a matter of which ones succumb to temptation. Until we know the fate of Russ in the current setting, it's safe to say he hasn't fallen to chaos and is using his abilities to survive like Corax is. The wolves are the emperor's executioners for a reason, that is their truth in my opinion.
Perhaps Magnus was speaking of the Legion's Lupine nature beyond the Wulfen, of how the Space Wolves are linked on more than a physical level, that there is a psychic link connecting them, much like the Black Rage curse of the Blood Angels connect them. Perhaps the Wolves have their own version of the Orks "Waaagh" that the Runes on the Space Wolves gear keep from bursting out.
That or this is reaching... there is a supernatural corruption on Fenris itself and the materials harvested on that world. I remember in the Space Wolf second Omnibus that one of the Dark Angels calls Ragnar's Frostblade a "Fell" weapon, implying there is something supernatural about it.
Sure you aren't thinking of the axe of morkai, a khornate axe wielded by Grimnar?
@@TheLegPumpkin It would have to be more than one Daemon weapon, perhaps Logan wasn't the only Wolf with a converted Daemon weapon.
Their big secret is being unable to control the red rocket
I like listening to you recap a lot of the lore because I don't have that much time, and I'm not much of a reader myself, to sit down and learn the lore. Space Wolves are my favorite Legion and the more I learn the more I like them.
Not only to The Lion never speak of what he saw; he immediately ordered his men to delete all videos and never speak of what they saw.
*Fist Bump*
*oops. Meant to write “did” not “to”
Another great video keep up the great work and if you want can you make a video of how you think each loyalist primarch unlocking they're full potential of the warp inside them like corvus corax did and how the lion is learning how to
It would be interesting to think about what the other Primarchs would look like if they underwent a Corax-style Warp-change.
I assume that there's a room at GW filled with hardcopy versions of the lore of the Emperor, the Primarchs, etc, and that like an old monk checking on the original writing of the apostles, stored on scrolls inside a vault, one of the heads of GW goes into that room and emerges 30 minutes later and says, "No, Russ is allergic to strawberries, change it to bananas" or whatever. So I think that while whatever appears in a sanctioned book about WH is canon, it doesn't mean that's the whole story. I'm just enjoying the ride. It's like an Agatha Christie mystery. I don't try to solve it, I just let Miss Marple do all the work and then name the killer.
Too true lol
I think Maggie is salty. He speaks truth that there is darkness in the form of the Wulfen within Russ and his sons, but I have a feeling that the mention of "runes" is merely Magnus viewing the conquering of the Wulfen, the reining in of the inner-wolf, with his own understanding of how things could be done: via magical means. He projects and views the world in his own lens (like almost every does), and he uses the runes as an explanation for the wolves' control of their inner-wolf.
I don't believe Magnus is referencing the Wulfen, the description used just doesn't really reference any aspect of the Wlufen but what I do find interesting is when we look at Bjorn in the 42nd millennium where when he is put into cold sleep he doesn't go unconscious but his spirit is so powerful that he spends his time battling daemons in the warp and guarding Fenris. It should also be noted that Bjorn is not a psyker either.
He ate the other primarchs he killed
I've recently, finally, started down the Horus Heresy book rabbit hole. Just finished False Gods. I'm quite interested to get into the Russ books as I'm a Space Wolf fanboy through and through. But I've heard many say that all the heresy era books paint the SW in a less than favorable light. Seeing the comments here, at odds with that, gives me hope.
Its not too late! Turn back!!
Actually quite jealous, first few books are awesome
Any book where a legion is not the protagonist tends to paint them in broad brushstrokes, and the Space Wolves broad brush is very loud and not at all subtle, so they don;t appear ina good light. In books where they are the protagonist though, there is a lot more subtlety.
There are no wolves on Fenris
The people of Fenris are mutants, and Russ evolved the same way due to the chaos taint on the planet, they keep there human looking bodies via runes and rituals, the 'wolves' of Fenris are actually the final form of the mutant population, the real reason Russ hated the Thousand Sons is because he was afriad the Flesh Change would somehow effect his own legion (like a virus or leprosy)
I like this theory but Russ's genetics were all intentional by the emperor
Could this be why they always say "there are no wolves on fenris"
Now I'm not up to date on lore, but as far as i was aware there is no chaos taint on Fenris, the closest you could get is the Gate Morkai where aspirants are tested against temptation. I wouldn't call that a taint that spreads to the populace. The people of Fenris are not mutants, they are descendents of DAoT settlers who altered their genes to better adapt to the climate on the planet, some took it to far and became wolves entirely but the general populace that the Vlka Fenryka recruit from are only slightly deviated from baseline humanity, becoming a Space Marine takes more gene editing.
Interesting if true. ;/
'He is right, Kva,' said Russ. 'They're all right. One day soon we will have to examine our relationship with the warp.'
Makes me wonder, with the revelation of the Dark King, if the Primarchs are actually greater daemons of the Dark King, but shackled into human bodies
warpcraft definitely went into their making that’s been stated a few times
But there not “daemons” like the servants of chaos otherwise the loyalist primarchs wouldn’t of been able to enter the emperors wards that were blocking out chaos entities like the neverborn and chaos corrupted primarchs at beginning of the siege
Maybe *18* Warp entities put into mortal bodies.
as a symbol runes represent order imposed on chaos (magick) so perhaps Magnus means that they are harnessing chaos just as much as himself or the Thousand Sons while believing the runes make them different. This is somewhat mistaken since runes are really about accepting fate, however they land when they are cast is final and must be accepted or else risk worse consequences. Accepting their fate is the one thing the Thousand Sons cannot do and so they are damned.
“There are no wolves on Fenris”
yet another example of the hypocracy of the Russ, he condomned the loyal Thausand Sons the microsecond he saw mutation but he keeps it secret that he and his Space Wolves are impure. Truly he is the Primarch of hypocracy.
Russ is fenris wolf, but bound to the all father in loyalty instead of destined destruction.
Obviously the shard of Magnus has his own agenda and his own limited understanding, but I don't think he's saying that Russ discovered all the primarchs are all of the warp, he could have been saying "we" but he doesn't it's all "Russ". If any of the primarchs were equipped to figure out their own nature on their own I would have thought it was Magnus.
It seems more likely to me that Russ is mirroring Magnus and Mortarion, Russ treats with daemons he does the whole descent into the underworld quest, the wolves have a much deeper cultural awareness of daemons than any other legion, it's all malificarum this and that. No... I think there's more to it than just a broken bit of Magnus misunderstanding Russ?
Also important to see the parallel between Russ and Magnus in their mythological influences. They're both very Odin inspired and Odin is the great magician.
There are also a lot of hints that are left not fleshed out that Russ has resistance to the powers of the warp somehow, that could be from that nature, perhaps hinting at some similar nature to some of the Khorne aspected Daemons similarly resist warp magics, where the savagery associated with the wolves helps along similar lines.
That would be a delightfully spicy explanation 😂 of course, Russ is also famously duplicitous and subtle hiding his intentions, not typically Khornate behaviour, but the other three do get sneaky at times, Tzeech and Slaanesh in particular...
Here's a thought...we've theoried about redeeming the fallen primarchs, however what if a returning loyalist Primarch turned traitor or renegade after seeing the state of the Galaxy?
Most likely candidate, ironically, is the subject of this video, Russ.
The Wolves are heavily mistreated in 40k by the Imperium.
Logan has a daemon axe.
The Inquisition hates them, and by extension, the Sororitas.
They are not compliant.
They stirred a lot of trouble w/ the Dork Angels.
Other candidate is The Khan, but Jagathai is too sm0rt to fall , not to mention the Scars are in a pretty solid position, becoming buddies w/ the Ravens. But yea, Khan's arguments w/ Big E & Malcador + curremt Imperium's state can be a trigger to make him go rouge a bit.
@@ArcaneMaiden will be funny if thousand sons redeem and the wolfs fall.....
@@ignusthemad3150 There actually is, a chance.
Remember there's the noble shard of Magnus, Magnus' importance on The Webway Project, not to mention him still having access to the Golden Throne; I don't recall any passage in the books confirming Big E closing the psychic route he laid for Magny before his fall, and the fact Magnus chose to attack Guilliman ON LUNA rather than Terra. I found that choice really weird.
IIRC, Magnus reclaimed Prospero in current lore, and Guilliman basically 'ignored' him, so he's going to be a plotline soon.
@@ArcaneMaidenless ignoring more prioritising other threats.
@@andrewbyrne2173 I did, put air quotes, Inquisitor, sir...
...plsdunshootme (╥﹏╥)
I read it as Russ discovering that the primarchs are daemons
Warp spawn*
there is a lie here however, they don't belong to chaos, they belong to humanity,
Much like how Khaine belongs to the Eldar, but greedy Slaanesh and Khorne claimed him
by might makes right.
and the Emperor... using them to conquer humanity is a travesty of the highest order.
Russ probably keep Malice in the shed so no copy right claims would be made
I just wish the leman russ tank looked normal
It's Magnus! He knows everything only when it is already too late...
I think 1 of the 2 lost Primarchs that Leman Russ had to get rid off was a powerful psyker and left a bad mental scar on him that's why he hates psykers.
There was a theory why some Primarchs have the same ability cuz there had to be a back ups. But their was no back up for Magnus.
Rho: Wolf Specialist 👊
There are no wolves on Fenris. I think this was more a thing with the planet, from the colonists who attempted gene-splicing with wolves early on? or maybe it's that plus the cannis helix mixing after a time?
The Lion suffered Russ' secret, yet Snaggle-Tooth decides to throw Magnus under the bus after spying on him. Spacewolves rock. But, Russ was a royal P.O.S.
What you mean when he found out they were literally summoning and binding Daemons?
Perhaps the runes don't necessarily suppress their pyskic powers, so much as they channel it into the weapon, which enhances it, but also gives the warp within an outlet to flow out, instead of overwhelming the space wolf....
idk, I'm just spitballing here.
You see, this is the thing, the wolves have the most untapped potential of any of the space marine chapter/legions
I think he's speaking of the wolfen. But that's just a feeling. Who really knows how much Magnus really knows.
The Lion is the top G even in a video about russ and magnus
In other words thers a god out there for each of the primarchs.
Just some have yet to fall to the powers of the warp.
Some have yet to find their god.
Perturabo may have found his in Vashtorr.
Perhaps the Modern Wolves have beteer accepted the wolf within than their heresy era brothers. Hence the change from vikings an runes to wolves on everything between the eras?
Magnus is a nerd, which means he knows a lot but it's almost all wrong.
IF .... a big IF .... Magnus is honest and ghe ruins are meant to keep it in. It could also be viewed as "warding the ruinous powers from bring out the wolfen" it becomes a matter of perspective, with both being correct.
The wolfen ARE inside.
The ruins are there to ward off the ruinous powers from inciting the release of the wolfen.
Khorne insights the battle lust
Nurgle insights the disease of the wolfen
Tzench insighting the change of form
Slaanesh insights the release of passion and ferocity
The ruins are to ward from it happening. The wolves have probably found ways to ward it off longer than the marines spirit would do on their own. But again they are keeping it in.
🍋 Russ
If you know how its said,you know hes just saying the sentence the same way.
And you know the angry curseing after.
I think given the fact that the space wolves are resistant to chaos that the ruins are just a way of keeping them safe from the eyes of the gods
Runes.
so basically all the primarchs are rey skywalker... nice
I think it would have been amazing if all the spacewolves were blanks
Bring back russ and valdor
I think the runes are what the priests say they are and Magnus is lying to the White Scars leader
I'm not sure of anything other than it is a tight race between Leman and Mortarion for biggest hypocrite.
Even if the big red nerd knew something, what would compel him to say anything? And what’s stopping Magnus’ knowledge from being misinformation by an indecisive mollusk.
Wolfs
Corgis
Why are you asking us?! Ask Bjorn instead, whelp!
Magnus did plenty wrong.
So did russ
This doesn’t sound like rho’s voice
"Cadia is REEEEEEEAL!!!!!!!"
* in pieces
TTS Magnus The Red: Space Wolves? FUCKING FURRIES!
🐺😂🐺
The emperor and malcador made them using the golden throne tech during unification. And russ was one of the ancient terran warlords, manufactured, after being conquered. The wulven isn't a creation of the emepror or the sigilites, but the leftover gene splicing done by their ancient terran ancestors. Then, once conquered and brainwashed and infused, were shot out into space, strategically. Everything else is propaganda.
Did Russ finally lose the Emperors Spear at Wolfsbane?
Grimdark is what they're hiding. The entire psychology of Fenris isn't just survival, it's survival through constant enduring inter-tribal warfare with the ability to excel at murdering others being the primary characteristic. They're hiding a literal swirling cesspool of PTSD and complex trauma almost from birth, where sanity isn't sane, and even the elevation to the Space Wolves (I love the old omnibus') is entirely about survival enduring emotional, intellectual and physical trauma to the point they think they're only partially sapient animals. Grimdark is what they're hiding.
The idea that the runes keeps something within under control is BS. Either Magnus is an idiot (as we well know he is), either a lier (we also know that).
In the Chris Wright SW trilogy we saw how a trinket first and a master crafter collar later contained the growing psy powers of a SW (in some pre psychic awakaning narrative arch), and with that, also the taint of Nurgle. The wulfen in clearly not anything of that nature
Okay so, how do you know the "us" isn't just the space wolves?
All signs point to Magnus actually knowing something about Russ - they worked together - and Russ and his wolves straight up betrayed their brothers so freaking quickly and at the whim of chaos.
Why does no one talk about how eager Russ was to get rid of Magnus? There have been zero consequences for that.
If Magnus knows of a dark secret, that would explain why Russ so quickly turned on him.
You're just dismissing that out of hand due to bias imo.
Magnus knows that Russ is a despicable war criminal, guilty of war crimes committed during war
What does Magnus know? Magnus taught Russ how to delete his internet search history BEFORE Daddy could find out what Russ had been browsing.
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Also the Halloween video of Magnus and Russ playing Shaggy and Scooby. Neither of them had the courage to tell Ferrus exactly what the "fur armour" was actually for, and to this day (in the 41st millennium) both of them are terrified that Ferrus finding out will be what resurrects him, so they both have a massive interest in keeping this bit of lore out of the sphere of knowledge in the universe.
(and what? No, not pr0n, get your mind out of the gutter. How intimidating is a vegetarian wolf? Not very intimidating when that wolf isn't from Catachan, that's how intimidating a vegetarian Fenrisian wolf isn't!)
Magnus is the type that would accidently kill a planets population with his abilities and then blame the people instead of himself.
I am reading the Ahriman series now, and there are Space Wolves in there, those really made me loose my interest in them.
They are hunting Ahriman because he and the Thousand Sons killed the Space Wolves company, they are after Ahriman for revenge. I am fine thus far.
But the Space Wolves were sent to Prospero to kill the Thousand Sons, so they basicly defended themselfs and killed the Space Wolves sent to assassinate, and now the Space Wolves are mad? What a bunch of childish idiots. "You killed my borthers when we tried to kill yours, you have to die now". That group got what they deserved in the end.
Btw this group probably gives an answer to what Magnus meant, when exposed to the Eye for a while, they basicly became uncontrollable wild beasts, werwolf like. soudns like this
Magnus did nothing wrong! 😏🤨😉
Khan: "Magnus knows that Russ touched his wolfs in a weird way so Russ end up destroying Prospero to destroy the photos"
Speaking of a rematch between Magnus and Russ, I hope the Crimson King wins.
Same
He's far too weak now, he was able to beat Russ if he wanted to back in 30k, but not now in 40k.
@@VictardI wanted to disagree, until I remembered Girlyman & a few SoS did spank his bright red ass 😂
Compared to 30k Magnus who got ganged up but still winning, 40k Magnus needs a few push-ups 😅
@@ArcaneMaiden and Magnus' failed invasions on Fenris...
Furry
Primarchs are supposed to be intellectual paragons but clearly Russ doesnt validate that argument :))