@@seekingabsolution1907 Except for the Necrons and Tyranids. They never had good intentions. Even the Necrontyr didn't have good intentions, they just wanted to kill everything!
@@jagnestormskull3178 how come eating to survive is a bad thing ? They are hungry and they want to eat . Also is you say Necrons are evil (idk about necrontyr) then don't kill any pests like rats, cockroach,etc in your house . Only pure evil is chaos and orks.
@@albertrex6851 What do you mean "don't kill pests?" The Necrontyr basically tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy because their solar system had bad living conditions and a species that no longer exists didn't cure their skin cancer. The Necron Lords are choosing to continue that absolutely evil mission. And if you're defending the Tyranids and Necrons, then how how can you say Chaos is evil? If the Necrons are just eradicating pests and the Tyranids are just eating to survive, then the Chaos gods are just eating to survive too - the difference is that they aren't destroying the entire galaxy to do it.
@@____________838 I'll just copy past my other comment. There is a huge difference between. Intending: Warn the emperor of the imperium and your father that the warmaster had fallen and an apocalypse civil war may come. Outcome: Breaking the webway you were never told existed while sending the warning. and Intending: "Arrest Magnus and his TS" by sending a demi-god furry known for being the galaxies biggest hypocrite and sworn enemy of Magnus. alongside an army of sisters of battle that specialize in killing what the TS were alongside not 1 or 2 custodians to show it is the emperor's will but armies ready to kill a legion. Outcome: The Killing of a loyal legion alongside their primarch and the burning of not only a loyal world but a world of knowledge and art rather than ignorance and fear as was and especially now is most of the imperium.
The life and fall of Magnus is like a classic greak tradegy in which no matter how much the protagonist struggles in pursuit of his goals it is all undone by his own actions.
I have to admit, the one way I see Magnus' fall ending and his redemption happening, would be a fated duel between the Daemon version of himself and Janus upon Prospero. With Janus slaying Magnus, only to absorb the Crimson King, the essence of the Cyclops Daemon being drawn into Janus as the last son's body burns away to reveal an uncorrupted Magnus.
@@willsword8100 Maybe Magnus then makes his way to Terra, slipping into the Imperial Palace and holding the Webway Gate shut while the Terminus Decree is enacted and the Golden Throne shut down. The Emperor ascends, only for Warp Entity and Perpetual to transcend themselves, and become a God in flesh as the Astronomicon flickers out like a candle to rise again as a roaring bonfire!
@@willsword8100 Same here, among other traitors, including Perturabo, Fulgrim and Konrad. With Magnus, I like my frivolous little take on how that possible redemption will take place, where his fall began.
Mmm i could accept that you know, would be a good way to reset the charácter, but as one comes back another must go away, who would you sacrifice to the chaos side in Magnus place? Tzeench would need His own daemon primarch.
No,Vulkan"come here brather...hug time" Magnus the red"NOOOOOOO"! (Vulkan grabbed Magnus and hug him tight) Magnus the red"AAAAHHHHH...MY SPINE"! Vulkan"ho,ho,ho,ho...hahahahahah"!
Magnus: Look I'm willing to put what happened on Prospero to the side for now since the imperium is falling. Can I have my shard i.e. I literally part of my soul back? I know it was here on terra. Malcador: Come now Magnus you look great without it. Plus, I sort of used it to make some new space marines. No hard feeling right? Magnus: ...
Magnus had his soul shackled to Tzeetnch's will, but his last shard remains in the Grand Master of the Grey Knights... The last shard of his soul, the last shard of his freedom. I say that shard is truly the best of him, as it could be Magnus' only ticket to freeing his soul and maybe, return to his father and finally redeem himself.
@@kelman727 Magnus looked at the mirror in the pagoda, seeing his shattered reflection. Always the missing part, but now it has been filled by a tainted version of the missing shard, and he was completed. The Crimson king is actively silencing the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard that tried to save the TS and chose to try and destroy himself along with the Crimson King. Malcador told half truths. Tho all shards are equally Magnus, the one that won was the one greatly corrupted and influenced by Tzeentch. The good Magnus' would have won had a chaos god like Tzeentch interfered during the second rubric wars (the invasion of Sortarius, 3 way war, and basically just the shards battling each other for dominance of the greater Magnus). This is the last chance to cleanse and remove what Tzeentch had put in Magnus, Janus might be the key to purifying and completing the soul of Magnus.
In universe, everything is some warp vision that's been corrupted to make the viewer believe what the author wants them to believe so I find it very meta and spot on. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE.
@@standarddeviation7963 I would have accepted that if only majority of writers aren't shit. Warhammer books and novels are a dumpster, you have to really dig deep to find the good stuff, like a hidden cocaine stash underneath a mountain of garbage.
Magnus cares so much and I'm going to cry ;_; yes he messed up, yes he's a pretentious bastard, but he always had a good heart in his chest. so yeah i'm gonna go cry now.
reason why Magnus held onto the shard as his salvation so hard was because its easy. The shard was a symbol and symbols are psychological hacks we "can" use to bypass a lot of the hard work and pain involved in confronting our faults owning them and moving forward despite them. though its an illusion in that way. Magnus is so human one of if not the most human of the primarchs imo. Sadly one can't bypass the hard work there is always a price and if your lucky you don't live long enough to see it. well i mean in fiction you can but in real life nope. Though symbols can also be used as bookmarks of fashion on our successes in our struggles which is actually a boon basically preventing going over the same things twice the same ways so being more efficient in the work. Eldar warp runes and Space wolves runepriest runes are examples of Symbols that bookmark struggles. They allow channeling of the warp with less burdens on the psyker by reminding them of their state of mind at its most focused. They have to achieve that focus first through hard work which is then frozen in time as it were in the form of a rune. Sorry I got on a tangent, Symbols on our psychology is such a part of the human experience I felt compelled to expand in and out of the 40k lore.
Also it was a part of his soul, which is not an abstract concept in this setting. Even if he did make a show of good in saving the civilians thus disproving the idea that he needs to reclaim the shard to reclaim his good, that shard was powerful enough to turn a TS who wasn't even worthy of the rank of Captain into the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights.
@@Dreadbringer Nicaea had no basis, it was an ambush to fuck with the TS. Never once did they misuse sorcery before that cursed debate in Nicaea. What led them to fucking up is the Imperium itself. Yes there is no denying that some of Magnus' actions were wrong, but is it that people forget he either had no choice or were forced to choose. Now, he was forced to choose between his father and his sons, either way he will not escape suffering. He never did anything wrong before Nicaea, some of his actions after that were wrong, but were the right thing to do, this isn't black and white that right = good, what is right might result in bad things happening along with what are considered good decision leading to the demise of many. Point is it takes two to tango, it wasn't Magnus that is fully to blame just look at the actions of the Imperium. They literally helped, guided, and ultimately led him to a path that will damn his soul. Emps didn't even consider "Hey son what about I cryostasis your children so they can hibernate while we still try to find cure" He would have gotten Magnus to sit to the throne and gave him hope still, but no he wants to thunder warriors the shit out of the thousand sons because he doesn't understand that a father is willing to go to hell just to save his children. He did the right thing for his sons, even at the cost if his soul. No hibernation choice, no "let's stasis chamber your sons", nothing, their only choices were to be dictated to die or suffer. Malcador and Emps still told half truths until the very end, one of the final lines of Magnus is that he just wants nothing but the whole truth, no more lies just the truth, but they still chose to lie to him. They also lied about the shard, yes it us gone as a shard but they turned it into a new being, meaning it wasn't fully destroyed. Magnus and The Emperor, Malcador, imperial council, etc, may not have had malice as intent but they still fucked everything up anyways. There I fixed it.
@@flameknightplayz2939 first he didnt do right by His sons, they aré half rubricae and half chaos spawn, second this wasnt about him nor His sons who arent helpless víctims but the most powerfull of astartes as individuals, but of mankind wich Is what the traitors seems to keep forgetting, they see themselves as some kind of máster race wich they aré not, and last there Is always a choice, he should have just surrendered from the get go and request an audience with His father, now its true the Wolf fuck It Up too, and that Horus was the plot máster but that doesnt excuse you of making stupid choices or aligning with daemons, i get that you aré maybe a TS yourself and youre just defending your legión but Man how can you grow beyond your mistakes if you never own them? Thats It cousin, Magnus just never got to understand that fact blinded by arrogance and the need to be in the right, wich he Is not.
Tangential thought. You know how the emps gave each of his sons some redundant characteristics as backup (some point to this as proof that the emps planned the heresy) Like both Dorn and Perturabo are great at seigecraft. Both Sanguinius and Kurze had foresight. And so on. Where are the psyker redundancies? Where are the back ups for Magnus? (Looks pointedly at the missing legions.)
I mean that would somewhat be Russ, i mean no Primarch came close to Magnus’ power, but in the books Russ could psychically affect people, he made them feel cold, and his howl psychically hurts marines
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@@ShadrackMeduson I think so, yes. Sanguinius killed Horus by "Hulking out" with black rage (that's why his sons got it and nothing happened to Ferrus' sons at his death). But yes, I think when the Emperor couldn't bring himself to kill his foe and allowed himself to be hurt is because he could not bring himself to kill his beloved loyal Sanguinius.
@@kelman727 it's not an idea, I do not contribute to content. It is a prediction considering the massive retcons already, ie Alpharius 1st primarch discovered, Alpharius still alive and a companion of Eisenhorn, Valdor with his own army (blanks, winged space marines, good demons called grael, and contingency of custodes),and Vulkan on Terra building special doomsday devices for Emperor. So yeah, I am betting there is a massive retcon to that stupid end fight.
That's the true flaw in the imperium, prioritizing an ideology and cause over the unbearable cost of maintaining it. If an idea requires a people to suffer to continue to uphold it it's not worth following to begin with.
Great video! I was critical about the previous two, but this is solid top tier again. And you hit it on the head. Magnus needed to believe, that his corruption was something, that he could cure be finding a last soul fragment. He could excuse all the monstrous acts of “The Crimson King” by claiming incompleteness. “I am not evil, I have only lost my goodness, but I can get it back!” No, all his goodness and evil were always himself. This is the true overwhelming strength of Magnus. He simply could not be corrupted by any outside chaos force, he needed to break mentally and willingly sign on to Chaos. Lorgar choose gladly, Horus was tricked, Fulgrim was corrupted by a demonblade, Morty was infected, Angron was forced, Perturabo’s fate is unknown, and the rest are not full chaos demons. Magnus would never choose gladly, could not be forced, corrupted or infected. They had to engineer the ultimate no-win scenario to make him say Yes to Chaos.
I mean the soul shards gained personality. The father was actively trying to help the TS even wanting to sacrifice everything just to stop the crimson king (himself that chose the worst path), the warrior wanted to just be left alone and challenge everyone to an honorable duel, the arrogance wanted power for himself and manipulated Astraeos, etc. It was all him, but even his shards fought against each other filling the roles of the good and bad versions of him. He was never incomplete. If only the father and the other noble personalities won and took control over the majority then we might have had a still loyalist or renegade Magnus, but as always Tzeentch had a hand with the battle between the shards (The events of the second rubrics were just the shards battling each other, it was never Ahriman and that he was just a pawn in the war of Magnus' personalities). The broken magnus and his shards fought and nearly won but Tzeentch stepped in and subtlety influenced events and made sure Ahriman caused the path of the second rubric. The crimson king is suppressing the voices of the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard to nothingness if i remember correctly. Magnus amazes me that even when broken, he still fought until the very end, until he can't resist chaos anymore and was forced to side with them. I hate it that Malcador still told lies, half truths, that yes the soul is gone, but he could have revealed where it went and of Janus, that that final powerful shard was just transformed into a new being. Emps lied and or gave up trying to find ways to cure the TS when Ahriman discovered that other powers especially Ynneads can reverse the curse of the flesh change, it's as if the Emps never wanted to save them in the first place. He lied that all the TS are going to die to the flesh change, but fate is not set in stone and what he told Magnus is just false. They lied to Magnus until the very end and it infuriates me.
@@flameknightplayz2939 To be fair, the Emperor only claimed that neither he, the selenar or Magnus could save the Legion from the flesh change. That is true. The Rubric can't exactly be said to have saved the Legion as a whole.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen I just meant that Emps would rather Thunder warriors 2.0 the Thousand Sons and gave up hope that someday a cure might present itself as like Ynnead's power for example. He could have said to Magnus that "Hey Magnus, let me put your sons to cryostasis and if a cure presents itself we will cure them together in the future." But no he would rather kill them because he doesn't understand the love of a father and son, a bond that a father will even travel to hell just to save them. He could have put them to cryostasis or some form of hibernation but he would rather kill them and start fresh instead. Ahriman puts his brothers to cryostasis before the flesh change takes over them in hopes that one day they can try and cure them, emps doesn't even consider this.
What I don't get is why with two perpetuals does Olivia have to give her life to Malcador so he can come back. But I think you summed up why Magnus is so desperate for his soul shard incredibly well. Goosebumps!
That's the problem with the heresy series. Too much of it makes no sense and is included only to try and achieve a cheap shock. In this case it's even worse because we all know malcador doesn't die here so the only thing achieved is blatant inconsistency in the lore
@@stevepickford3004 well its the problem with big sagas, there aré bound to be bad or unbelievable moments, but what can we do anyways, you can always have your own Lore or Viewpoint, like for me i deny the whole erda crap, too little too late but you can always edit It in your mind as you see Fit, its all fantasy anyways
The fact that the amount of time between the first horus heresy novel and the last is longer than the in universe time of the HH from Istaven to Terra. BL deserves immense credit for the size, quality, and consistency of the HH series.
Olivia is such a bad ass character. OK she doesn't have the strength of primarchs or dose she have malcador and the emperors powers but she is still there equals through strength of mind. love her interactions with the emperor and malcador, hell all of her interactions are priceless.
I just wanted to say, your enthusiastic reviews had me buy several black library books to date. Huge thank you for summarizing the key points for us readers (and weirdos like me who liked the book spoiled before reading). I hope black library gives you the recognition you deserve one day :)
I loved that they had Magnus say he did nothing wrong, such memes. But my read of it was that Alivia was set up and didn't have a choice in whether she would die and the Emperor actually made her do it "as the pain and horror of the Emperor's acuity filled her once again...... Alivia tried to push the Emperor's visions aside, but they kept coming". As to why Magnus felt he needed the shard... Well... Psychology innit? Can't accept he had agency when he did the bad thing so scrabbling around trying to find the bit of purity and goodness that means you can carry on. 🤷♂️
First time I'm heeding a spoiler warning. Not quite caught up on siege of terra yet, but your praise for the book makes me want to rush to it. Will check back with you on your next video!
The chaos gods had to take away everything from Magnus and shatter him, but even then he wont submit. Even after accepting the power of chaos, he still wont follow or submit to the wills of chaos, and is actively trying to use chaos itself to destroy chaos from within. His plan was to destroy chaos the moment he knew of its truth. If only the Emps told him, and trusted that Magnus could have bore the truth of Chaos. Like look at Magnus now hating chaos and actively working against them, stating that he hates chaos. "I plan to rule after the Imperium and Chaos had worn each other out" He plans to destroy chaos and as an added bonus, the Imperial system as revenge. We could have had a loyalist Magnus if only Emps revealed the truth to his heir to the throne. Even in the traitors side, Magnus and Ahriman obliterated to unexistence the deamons surrounding the Imperial palace during the siege of terra, also saved the people in the halls. Magnus and Ahriman literally appeared as angels to the dreams of humans in terra after destroying deamon hordes surrounding the imperial palace in the warp down to their very souls.
It is because Magnus is trying to "change" Chao by trying to undermine it from within, is why he is the ultimate embodiment of Tzeetnch. His inability to accept the primal truth is precisely what qualifies him as to the Chaos aspect's Primarch.
Magnus trying to outsmart Tzeentch is laughable. He didn't even know he was played all of this time by the chaos god. He was played like a pawn his entire primarch life and now he thinks he is gonna outsmart him? Even Emperor would not be able to outsmart Tzeentch and Magnus believes he can? Looks like he didn't become wiser after his previous failures. Also if Magnus was soo good, that he was trying to destroy chaos, he wouldn't kill Malcador, guy who knows A LOT MORE about Chaos and how to fight it than Magnus will even know. btw, is it another retcon? So Malcador no longer dies from sitting on the Throne?
Tangential thought. You know how the emps gave each of his sons some redundant characteristics as backup (some point to this as proof that the emps planned the heresy) Like both Dorn and Perturabo are great at seigecraft. Both Sanguinius and Kurze had foresight. And so on. Where are the psyker redundancies? Where are the back ups for Magnus? (Looks pointedly at the missing legions.)
In total amount of warp energy that one can muster, as he is the Psychic battery of the webway, Magnus wins. In terms of psychic power and warp manipulation, Magnus wins. In terms of temporal manipulation and sorcery, Magnus wins.
what would be the real list? heres my uneducated one: 1. Tyrannid hive mind, 2. Emperor's corpse 3. Chaos gods 4.Magnus 5. Eldrad Ulthran wild card: Corvus Corax unlocking his potential in the eye of terror
@@helicaldota You're not allowed to put anything above the Emperor. It doesn't matter if you are wrong or right. Otherwise Sly Marbo would be on place one in my list.
Imma like and comment because I love your content but I haven't watched the video because I've not read the book. I'm looking forward to it now if it's so good you put me off the video. Lol.
Only the god-Emperor knows that the problem with prequels putting characters you know will survive in a dangerous situation they would certainly die if it wasn’t a prequel.
So, this "Primarch week" is much more of a lore week, and Magnus just happens to be involved. Where are his feats, praise for his abilities, and general awesomeness despite flaws. Every other PWhas been a look into what makes them great. Magnus' week has only focused on his inadequacies.
One of the core aspects of Magnus is that the best parts of him never got to shine. He was manipulated and schemed on by an eldrich being that mfs literally call the architect of fate. He never got the chance to flex his supreme warp power, nor his incredible knowledge. That was censored in his very presence by none other than his own father. His strength was the doom of humanity. Without his reckless behavior and lack of forethought, the heresy might not have been a total L. The best ways to highlight his character is to reflect his potential against his reality. The current Magnus is a hypocrite shell of his former self, his fate twisted and altered by the very powers he was built to wield so powerfully. Everything about Magnus’ story revolves around his failure. He is a tragic character, showing his glorious moments diminishes the actual weight behind his story
@@ianharrison5758 you are free to have that opinion. But the purpose of each of these little series is to talk about how B.A. each Primarch is...and Roh really fell short of that this time.
@@JWKONTRABASSO I mean Magnus’ power is shown at its highest at his moments of failure and loss. He’s not the “badass” type. He’s the mf who just wants to read that everyone is forcing agendas on.
@@ianharrison5758 again. That fails to tell the truth. Magnus is the B.A. type. Asmch as any other Primarch is. What you are focusing in on is his story. Yeah I get that. Its pretty tragic hero and all. But, Magnus certainly has moments 9f true awesomenss. Things that neither of the other Primearchs achieved. To say that he didn't is really saying that the Emporer really made him to fail. All the evidence points to the direction that Big E did not. Make up whatever excuse you want. This Primarch was not well covered.
What feels the worst, is if you look at magnus from a human perspective, from his perspective, he’s just desperate. He wants knowledge. That’s all he’s ever wanted. And he’s had his hopes, dreams, and fascinations rejected, burned, and later blown to actual shards. He clung to the smallest bit of hope, the thought that something left of him being a good person was still there. He approached it, and had to fave himself, and then, understand the loss of his humanity. He wanted to be human. And he screwed up like one, so, so many times.
There is a huge difference between. Intending: Warn the emperor of the imperium and your father that the warmaster had fallen and an apocalypse civil war may come. Outcome: Breaking the webway you were never told existed while sending the warning. and Intending: "Arrest Magnus and his TS" by sending a demi-god furry known for being the galaxies biggest hypocrite and sworn enemy of Magnus. alongside an army of sisters of battle that specialize in killing what the TS were alongside not 1 or 2 custodians to show it is the emperor's will but armies ready to kill a legion. Outcome: The Killing of a loyal legion alongside their primarch and the burning of not only a loyal world but a world of knowledge and art rather than ignorance and fear as was and especially now is most of the imperium. You truly are a son of Russ.
Can anyone provide a link to the "New" Horus heresy books? Been meaning to start this series but I'm not clear on which books are the old heresy and which are the rewrites.
Magnus was not as smart as he thought he was. Like Inquisitor Crowl told Lermantov, “I can fight!” “Yes, but you cannot listen” Magnus is a case study in good intentions paving the road to hell. The shard business? If he recovered the shard that he believed contained his goodness, he could then relegate all his bad acts to not being his true self. True to form, Magnus needed something to blame instead of taking responsibility. He didn’t realize, nor did Malcador tell him, that redemption is always available, the first step is stopping being an idiot, the second is owning what you have done, the third, learning from your mistakes/misdeeds and nor repeating them.
I watched a anime the other day and it had something similar to shards that represent different things, emotions, connections, to different parts of the person. I believe that the shard was the piece that contained all the connections between every single thing that is Magus the red.
@@guilliman1990 it absolutely does. Why would Magnus want to join Horus if he knew he was the true orchestrator. Even if he was still mad at the emperor, he may have at least not joined the traitors.
There was a part of the interaction between the Emperor and Olivia, where he showed her his vision of the future, his acuity. He showed her himself, locked into the golden throne in living death. He foresaw millennia of the Human race being ground down but still alive, and then one of his sons returning to lead the Imperium into the next galactic war, something that would make the Heresy look like a skirmish. The Emperor knew he was going to win the war, but at the cost of becoming locked into the golden throne, dead but holding on. Was it his plan all along? Or did he accept it as the best option after the destruction of his webway project? Did he foresee his worship (and is that why he cleared the board of all other religions)? There were some really interesting bits packed into a very small part of that book! Might be worth exploring a little.
If the Emperor intended Magnus for the throne then by not telling him, by not bringing him to Terra, by allowing Magnus to even participate in the Crusade, the Emperor is at fault. The Webway was so important but the Emperor didn't do the simplest thing to ensure it's success.
The emperor should have been educating Magnus since the day they found eachother Psychically. He should have trained him personally in how to use the warp safely, and how to interpret order from chaos. He should have fine tuned his sons control to its absolute limit. His fear of Naive, inexperienced psykers was warranted, so he chose to…. Hide the knowledge his son needed from him while also denying him the very nature he was born with…. I call that pure stupidity. Magnus was ALWAYS the keystone in humanity’s rise. He should have explained the warp and it’s many different varieties of nightmarefuel to all his sons, Magnus needed that knowledge the most and the emperor strictly denied him just that. To let Magnus walk himself into the arms of Tzeentch, unwillingly dooming humanity due to the ignorance you ensured he maintained…. I’m sure whatever is left of the emperor regrets his actions with Magnus very much. Magnus was created to harness and control extreme power through the warp, yet he was denied the knowledge he needed to be able to do that safely. Bravo Emperor of Man, you doomed humanity with your own stupidity.
Honestly the whole Terra saga so far has been bittersweet. There are things I wish had stayed a mystery and I’m dreading what might get retconned in the final Emperor vs Horus fight.
I know how you feel I was a fan of the theory that the blood ravens are actually thousand sons successors then this book come along and had the master of mankind say ‘oh we can’t cleanse the corruption in the Thousand Sons’ despite the fact that when russ stabbed Horus with a spear which was in powered by the emperor the corruption in Horus temporarily receded.
I would love it if Janus was Azariah Vidya and returned to his chapter (Corvidae/Blood Ravens) and somehow found a way to purify their gene seed. Asuryan dispersed his power into all Eldar making them more in tune with the warp and greater psykers. Ahriman did something similar with the Rubric - although it failed due to Hathor Maat's and Aforgoman/Kairos's chaos fuckery. I think it would be cool if Janus/Vidya worked like Raava from Avatar Legend of Korra, reincarnating into newer Blood Ravens at critical points in the chapter's history to guide them to victory. It is said that Alexian and Vidya may be the same person, and its tradition for most chapter masters of the Blood Ravens to adopt the name of Azariah as a title. Azariah Vidya is also known as the 'Great Father'. The shard missing from Magnus - if my memory is correct - is his most noble shard, the aspect of the father. It is also important to note that the Grey Knights and Blood Ravens - in the lore - have a close relationship, and that the Blood Ravens 'are a chapter close to the heart of the Emperor'. Their Chapter Monastery the Omnis Arcanum amplifies the astronomicon, something Magnus, the Emperor and Malcador are only able to do as they are they only ones who can sit on the Golden Throne. I would love it if Gabriel Angelos possessed the final shard of Magnus and he were to battle Magnus and somehow redeem him and die in the process - along with all Thousand Sons and Ahriman turning to dust. IDK. I'm JUST SPITTING IDEAS!
The feeling of being so deeply betrayed will threaten to corrupt you so thoroughly that you will beg reality for something to save you from the despair, and cling to possibilities you would not have entertained before.
It’s worth pointing out that Olivia hated Malcador and the Emperor and their plan by this point so her voluntary sacrifice to save Malcador’s life is even more meaningful.
Well considering before she come back to life the Emperor granted her a vision probably showing her that if malcador dies before getting his ass on the golden throne everyone fucked, so Olivia was kinda screwed either way considering her choices were die for humanity or get skull fucked by demons for all eternity.
The villas you refer, aren't they suppoussed to be for the Primarchs retirement, once the Great Crusade was completed? I believed that was their purpose. So humanity can rule themselves without the intervention of them. Not sure where I read/heard this.
I'm sure that we all want to know what hair products Magnus uses to achieve his epically awesome mane of red locks. Who needs two eyes if you have hair that full and luxurious. Am, I right? ; )
Malcador: So...still mad about Prospero??
Magnus: (Undying Rage)
Malcador: Yep, still mad.
I mean I. Don’t blame him he lost his home his ppl his love ones simply from just trying to do the right thing 😔😢
@@missfortunemain9064 well, as they say, "The road to hell is paved in Good Intentions"
Magnus’ life can be summed up with the phrase, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”
That's just all of 40k from the old ones onwards.
same for the Big E isnt
@@seekingabsolution1907 Except for the Necrons and Tyranids. They never had good intentions. Even the Necrontyr didn't have good intentions, they just wanted to kill everything!
@@jagnestormskull3178 how come eating to survive is a bad thing ? They are hungry and they want to eat . Also is you say Necrons are evil (idk about necrontyr) then don't kill any pests like rats, cockroach,etc in your house . Only pure evil is chaos and orks.
@@albertrex6851 What do you mean "don't kill pests?" The Necrontyr basically tried to wipe out all life in the galaxy because their solar system had bad living conditions and a species that no longer exists didn't cure their skin cancer. The Necron Lords are choosing to continue that absolutely evil mission.
And if you're defending the Tyranids and Necrons, then how how can you say Chaos is evil? If the Necrons are just eradicating pests and the Tyranids are just eating to survive, then the Chaos gods are just eating to survive too - the difference is that they aren't destroying the entire galaxy to do it.
Magnus: "I did nothing wrong!"
Also Magnus: "Actions have consequences!"
your point?
@@fallenbygravity My "point" is that I find it very ironic that even by Magnus' own logic, he's actually wrong.
@@DarkNaifu Exactly how do you connect those dots?
@@fallenbygravity “it doesn’t matter what you intended, it matters what happened!”
“It doesn’t matter what I did, it matters what I intended!”
@@____________838 I'll just copy past my other comment.
There is a huge difference between.
Intending: Warn the emperor of the imperium and your father that the warmaster had fallen and an apocalypse civil war may come.
Outcome: Breaking the webway you were never told existed while sending the warning.
and
Intending: "Arrest Magnus and his TS" by sending a demi-god furry known for being the galaxies biggest hypocrite and sworn enemy of Magnus. alongside an army of sisters of battle that specialize in killing what the TS were alongside not 1 or 2 custodians to show it is the emperor's will but armies ready to kill a legion.
Outcome: The Killing of a loyal legion alongside their primarch and the burning of not only a loyal world but a world of knowledge and art rather than ignorance and fear as was and especially now is most of the imperium.
The life and fall of Magnus is like a classic greak tradegy in which no matter how much the protagonist struggles in pursuit of his goals it is all undone by his own actions.
Sounds like the emporer too.
I wish there was a book of all the Primarchs just interacting with eachother, big E and Malcador, a man can dream.
That could be sooooooooooo fucking awesome
Twist ending: it’s just Kurze playing with meat statues the whole time
@@millertime73scd lol
Like a omnibus of interactions? Would be nice, pre heresy of course
Like a slice of life anime, but it's Big E, and the Primarchs.
Reads title...
"We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of Magnus the Red..."
watch the video
"We are gathered here today to mourn the passing of Malcador"
@@mobiushelldoctor1423 continues video
"Nevermind he's good" XD
I have to admit, the one way I see Magnus' fall ending and his redemption happening, would be a fated duel between the Daemon version of himself and Janus upon Prospero. With Janus slaying Magnus, only to absorb the Crimson King, the essence of the Cyclops Daemon being drawn into Janus as the last son's body burns away to reveal an uncorrupted Magnus.
Yes please, my heart needs that
@@willsword8100 Maybe Magnus then makes his way to Terra, slipping into the Imperial Palace and holding the Webway Gate shut while the Terminus Decree is enacted and the Golden Throne shut down. The Emperor ascends, only for Warp Entity and Perpetual to transcend themselves, and become a God in flesh as the Astronomicon flickers out like a candle to rise again as a roaring bonfire!
@@darkinnovator2479 I just hope to one day get a redemption for Magnus.
@@willsword8100 Same here, among other traitors, including Perturabo, Fulgrim and Konrad. With Magnus, I like my frivolous little take on how that possible redemption will take place, where his fall began.
Mmm i could accept that you know, would be a good way to reset the charácter, but as one comes back another must go away, who would you sacrifice to the chaos side in Magnus place? Tzeench would need His own daemon primarch.
This book was great and showed Magnus's power how even on the edge of falling he still cared about civilians and was good at his core.
Enters terra, pretending to be a blood angels. Birth of the blood ravens
Sneaking around to steal /something/.
@@____________838 HMMMMMMMMM
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@@____________838 A gift.
Love this
Magnus: *Rages*
Malcador & Vulkan: "Deal with it"
No,Vulkan"come here brather...hug time" Magnus the red"NOOOOOOO"! (Vulkan grabbed Magnus and hug him tight) Magnus the red"AAAAHHHHH...MY SPINE"! Vulkan"ho,ho,ho,ho...hahahahahah"!
Magnus: Look I'm willing to put what happened on Prospero to the side for now since the imperium is falling. Can I have my shard i.e. I literally part of my soul back? I know it was here on terra.
Malcador: Come now Magnus you look great without it. Plus, I sort of used it to make some new space marines. No hard feeling right?
Magnus: ...
@@hahmann Malcador: I guess Horus never told you about me choking *him* huh?
@@lordlucius1341 Magnus: Bold words for someone in warp deep-frying distance.
@@guillermoperezmalinar7743 Malcador: Bold words for someone in perpetual failing range.
Magnus had his soul shackled to Tzeetnch's will, but his last shard remains in the Grand Master of the Grey Knights... The last shard of his soul, the last shard of his freedom. I say that shard is truly the best of him, as it could be Magnus' only ticket to freeing his soul and maybe, return to his father and finally redeem himself.
You missed the point of the entire story.
Or big E could just poke tit snitch until he gives him his soul back
@@kelman727 Magnus looked at the mirror in the pagoda, seeing his shattered reflection. Always the missing part, but now it has been filled by a tainted version of the missing shard, and he was completed. The Crimson king is actively silencing the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard that tried to save the TS and chose to try and destroy himself along with the Crimson King. Malcador told half truths. Tho all shards are equally Magnus, the one that won was the one greatly corrupted and influenced by Tzeentch. The good Magnus' would have won had a chaos god like Tzeentch interfered during the second rubric wars (the invasion of Sortarius, 3 way war, and basically just the shards battling each other for dominance of the greater Magnus). This is the last chance to cleanse and remove what Tzeentch had put in Magnus, Janus might be the key to purifying and completing the soul of Magnus.
@@jamesdeek7756 but lets be real, he aint so generous outside TTS
I realy wish we could just have one writer per primarch to help keep things consistent.
In universe, everything is some warp vision that's been corrupted to make the viewer believe what the author wants them to believe so I find it very meta and spot on. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE.
wish I could believe that...
@@standarddeviation7963 I would have accepted that if only majority of writers aren't shit. Warhammer books and novels are a dumpster, you have to really dig deep to find the good stuff, like a hidden cocaine stash underneath a mountain of garbage.
@@flameknightplayz2939 alot of the more recent stuff has been fire tho
Magnus cares so much and I'm going to cry ;_; yes he messed up, yes he's a pretentious bastard, but he always had a good heart in his chest. so yeah i'm gonna go cry now.
HA gayy!
Well good thing he's got a good heart, cause his spine isn't in the best condition.
reason why Magnus held onto the shard as his salvation so hard was because its easy. The shard was a symbol and symbols are psychological hacks we "can" use to bypass a lot of the hard work and pain involved in confronting our faults owning them and moving forward despite them. though its an illusion in that way. Magnus is so human one of if not the most human of the primarchs imo. Sadly one can't bypass the hard work there is always a price and if your lucky you don't live long enough to see it. well i mean in fiction you can but in real life nope. Though symbols can also be used as bookmarks of fashion on our successes in our struggles which is actually a boon basically preventing going over the same things twice the same ways so being more efficient in the work. Eldar warp runes and Space wolves runepriest runes are examples of Symbols that bookmark struggles. They allow channeling of the warp with less burdens on the psyker by reminding them of their state of mind at its most focused. They have to achieve that focus first through hard work which is then frozen in time as it were in the form of a rune. Sorry I got on a tangent, Symbols on our psychology is such a part of the human experience I felt compelled to expand in and out of the 40k lore.
Also it was a part of his soul, which is not an abstract concept in this setting. Even if he did make a show of good in saving the civilians thus disproving the idea that he needs to reclaim the shard to reclaim his good, that shard was powerful enough to turn a TS who wasn't even worthy of the rank of Captain into the first Grand Master of the Grey Knights.
What? This is an abstract concept that is LITERALLY A PIECE OF HIS FUCKING SOUL are you people stupid? Of course he wants it back! Who wouldn't?!.
To chose between your father, and your sons. Either decision, Magnus was gonna suffer in some way.
Exactly this
Even Vulkan stated he cannot sacrifice a single son of his and understood the decision of Magnus, deep down he knows Magnus did the right thing.
@@flameknightplayz2939 Magnus may not had malice as intent but fuck everthing up anyways, there Is just nothing More to say Man, get over It.
@@Dreadbringer Nicaea had no basis, it was an ambush to fuck with the TS. Never once did they misuse sorcery before that cursed debate in Nicaea. What led them to fucking up is the Imperium itself. Yes there is no denying that some of Magnus' actions were wrong, but is it that people forget he either had no choice or were forced to choose. Now, he was forced to choose between his father and his sons, either way he will not escape suffering. He never did anything wrong before Nicaea, some of his actions after that were wrong, but were the right thing to do, this isn't black and white that right = good, what is right might result in bad things happening along with what are considered good decision leading to the demise of many. Point is it takes two to tango, it wasn't Magnus that is fully to blame just look at the actions of the Imperium. They literally helped, guided, and ultimately led him to a path that will damn his soul. Emps didn't even consider "Hey son what about I cryostasis your children so they can hibernate while we still try to find cure" He would have gotten Magnus to sit to the throne and gave him hope still, but no he wants to thunder warriors the shit out of the thousand sons because he doesn't understand that a father is willing to go to hell just to save his children. He did the right thing for his sons, even at the cost if his soul. No hibernation choice, no "let's stasis chamber your sons", nothing, their only choices were to be dictated to die or suffer. Malcador and Emps still told half truths until the very end, one of the final lines of Magnus is that he just wants nothing but the whole truth, no more lies just the truth, but they still chose to lie to him. They also lied about the shard, yes it us gone as a shard but they turned it into a new being, meaning it wasn't fully destroyed.
Magnus and The Emperor, Malcador, imperial council, etc, may not have had malice as intent but they still fucked everything up anyways. There I fixed it.
@@flameknightplayz2939 first he didnt do right by His sons, they aré half rubricae and half chaos spawn, second this wasnt about him nor His sons who arent helpless víctims but the most powerfull of astartes as individuals, but of mankind wich Is what the traitors seems to keep forgetting, they see themselves as some kind of máster race wich they aré not, and last there Is always a choice, he should have just surrendered from the get go and request an audience with His father, now its true the Wolf fuck It Up too, and that Horus was the plot máster but that doesnt excuse you of making stupid choices or aligning with daemons, i get that you aré maybe a TS yourself and youre just defending your legión but Man how can you grow beyond your mistakes if you never own them? Thats It cousin, Magnus just never got to understand that fact blinded by arrogance and the need to be in the right, wich he Is not.
Tangential thought. You know how the emps gave each of his sons some redundant characteristics as backup (some point to this as proof that the emps planned the heresy)
Like both Dorn and Perturabo are great at seigecraft. Both Sanguinius and Kurze had foresight. And so on.
Where are the psyker redundancies? Where are the back ups for Magnus?
(Looks pointedly at the missing legions.)
They probably became full-blown chaos.
Could be Lorgar, he had very strong psychic powers that he didn't make use of.
I mean that would somewhat be Russ, i mean no Primarch came close to Magnus’ power, but in the books Russ could psychically affect people, he made them feel cold, and his howl psychically hurts marines
Magnus is such a well done tragic character.
Me: A new Wolf Lord Rho video, yay
Wolf Lord Rho: If you haven't read the book, stop listening now!
Me: But I really wanted...
Wolf Lord Rho: Just wait until you have!!!
This book tells me that serious RETCON is probably coming to the end Siege of Terra final books. And agreed, this book is must read.
the emperor killed sanguinius
@@ShadrackMeduson I think so, yes. Sanguinius killed Horus by "Hulking out" with black rage (that's why his sons got it and nothing happened to Ferrus' sons at his death). But yes, I think when the Emperor couldn't bring himself to kill his foe and allowed himself to be hurt is because he could not bring himself to kill his beloved loyal Sanguinius.
Shit idea.
@@kccustodes2618 litterly the worst idea in history worse than primaris
@@kelman727 it's not an idea, I do not contribute to content. It is a prediction considering the massive retcons already, ie Alpharius 1st primarch discovered, Alpharius still alive and a companion of Eisenhorn, Valdor with his own army (blanks, winged space marines, good demons called grael, and contingency of custodes),and Vulkan on Terra building special doomsday devices for Emperor. So yeah, I am betting there is a massive retcon to that stupid end fight.
Magus was treated so wrongly by the Imperium, what an incredible tragedy.
That's the true flaw in the imperium, prioritizing an ideology and cause over the unbearable cost of maintaining it. If an idea requires a people to suffer to continue to uphold it it's not worth following to begin with.
Magnus kinda already made a deal and sold his soul to Tzeentch before Nikea, so yes and no.
Great video! I was critical about the previous two, but this is solid top tier again. And you hit it on the head. Magnus needed to believe, that his corruption was something, that he could cure be finding a last soul fragment. He could excuse all the monstrous acts of “The Crimson King” by claiming incompleteness. “I am not evil, I have only lost my goodness, but I can get it back!” No, all his goodness and evil were always himself.
This is the true overwhelming strength of Magnus. He simply could not be corrupted by any outside chaos force, he needed to break mentally and willingly sign on to Chaos. Lorgar choose gladly, Horus was tricked, Fulgrim was corrupted by a demonblade, Morty was infected, Angron was forced, Perturabo’s fate is unknown, and the rest are not full chaos demons.
Magnus would never choose gladly, could not be forced, corrupted or infected. They had to engineer the ultimate no-win scenario to make him say Yes to Chaos.
I mean the soul shards gained personality. The father was actively trying to help the TS even wanting to sacrifice everything just to stop the crimson king (himself that chose the worst path), the warrior wanted to just be left alone and challenge everyone to an honorable duel, the arrogance wanted power for himself and manipulated Astraeos, etc. It was all him, but even his shards fought against each other filling the roles of the good and bad versions of him. He was never incomplete. If only the father and the other noble personalities won and took control over the majority then we might have had a still loyalist or renegade Magnus, but as always Tzeentch had a hand with the battle between the shards (The events of the second rubrics were just the shards battling each other, it was never Ahriman and that he was just a pawn in the war of Magnus' personalities). The broken magnus and his shards fought and nearly won but Tzeentch stepped in and subtlety influenced events and made sure Ahriman caused the path of the second rubric. The crimson king is suppressing the voices of the other shards, he even obliterated the father shard to nothingness if i remember correctly. Magnus amazes me that even when broken, he still fought until the very end, until he can't resist chaos anymore and was forced to side with them. I hate it that Malcador still told lies, half truths, that yes the soul is gone, but he could have revealed where it went and of Janus, that that final powerful shard was just transformed into a new being. Emps lied and or gave up trying to find ways to cure the TS when Ahriman discovered that other powers especially Ynneads can reverse the curse of the flesh change, it's as if the Emps never wanted to save them in the first place. He lied that all the TS are going to die to the flesh change, but fate is not set in stone and what he told Magnus is just false. They lied to Magnus until the very end and it infuriates me.
@@flameknightplayz2939 To be fair, the Emperor only claimed that neither he, the selenar or Magnus could save the Legion from the flesh change. That is true. The Rubric can't exactly be said to have saved the Legion as a whole.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen I just meant that Emps would rather Thunder warriors 2.0 the Thousand Sons and gave up hope that someday a cure might present itself as like Ynnead's power for example. He could have said to Magnus that "Hey Magnus, let me put your sons to cryostasis and if a cure presents itself we will cure them together in the future." But no he would rather kill them because he doesn't understand the love of a father and son, a bond that a father will even travel to hell just to save them. He could have put them to cryostasis or some form of hibernation but he would rather kill them and start fresh instead. Ahriman puts his brothers to cryostasis before the flesh change takes over them in hopes that one day they can try and cure them, emps doesn't even consider this.
Perturabo chose chaos as he was dying from poison and it is speculated that he is now trying to cure his daemonhood
What I don't get is why with two perpetuals does Olivia have to give her life to Malcador so he can come back. But I think you summed up why Magnus is so desperate for his soul shard incredibly well. Goosebumps!
So true.
That's the problem with the heresy series. Too much of it makes no sense and is included only to try and achieve a cheap shock. In this case it's even worse because we all know malcador doesn't die here so the only thing achieved is blatant inconsistency in the lore
@@stevepickford3004 well its the problem with big sagas, there aré bound to be bad or unbelievable moments, but what can we do anyways, you can always have your own Lore or Viewpoint, like for me i deny the whole erda crap, too little too late but you can always edit It in your mind as you see Fit, its all fantasy anyways
The fact that the amount of time between the first horus heresy novel and the last is longer than the in universe time of the HH from Istaven to Terra. BL deserves immense credit for the size, quality, and consistency of the HH series.
My heart hurts for Magnus, for I too am smitten every time I try to fix my mistakes. I will push forward.
I really enjoyed the audio book but you going over it like you do got me so much more pumped about that whole scene.
30k Magnus is such an awesome character.
Love the content! Awesome as always...
Rho destroyed something for me... Watching the channel makes me urge for an audio book with him...
Olivia is such a bad ass character. OK she doesn't have the strength of primarchs or dose she have malcador and the emperors powers but she is still there equals through strength of mind. love her interactions with the emperor and malcador, hell all of her interactions are priceless.
*their equals
You are in my opinoion the best lore Master from all....i here your lore every day....while im driving to work
I’m really loving these 20min videos!!!
I just wanted to say, your enthusiastic reviews had me buy several black library books to date. Huge thank you for summarizing the key points for us readers (and weirdos like me who liked the book spoiled before reading).
I hope black library gives you the recognition you deserve one day :)
Hey dude, keep up the good work. These videos are amazing.
Brutal that was awesome!!🩸🤘🏻
I loved that they had Magnus say he did nothing wrong, such memes.
But my read of it was that Alivia was set up and didn't have a choice in whether she would die and the Emperor actually made her do it "as the pain and horror of the Emperor's acuity filled her once again...... Alivia tried to push the Emperor's visions aside, but they kept coming".
As to why Magnus felt he needed the shard... Well... Psychology innit? Can't accept he had agency when he did the bad thing so scrabbling around trying to find the bit of purity and goodness that means you can carry on. 🤷♂️
First time I'm heeding a spoiler warning. Not quite caught up on siege of terra yet, but your praise for the book makes me want to rush to it. Will check back with you on your next video!
McNeil wrote the first 40k books I ever read , the ultramarines omnibus and I’ve especially loved his writing ever since
The chaos gods had to take away everything from Magnus and shatter him, but even then he wont submit. Even after accepting the power of chaos, he still wont follow or submit to the wills of chaos, and is actively trying to use chaos itself to destroy chaos from within. His plan was to destroy chaos the moment he knew of its truth. If only the Emps told him, and trusted that Magnus could have bore the truth of Chaos. Like look at Magnus now hating chaos and actively working against them, stating that he hates chaos. "I plan to rule after the Imperium and Chaos had worn each other out" He plans to destroy chaos and as an added bonus, the Imperial system as revenge. We could have had a loyalist Magnus if only Emps revealed the truth to his heir to the throne. Even in the traitors side, Magnus and Ahriman obliterated to unexistence the deamons surrounding the Imperial palace during the siege of terra, also saved the people in the halls. Magnus and Ahriman literally appeared as angels to the dreams of humans in terra after destroying deamon hordes surrounding the imperial palace in the warp down to their very souls.
It is because Magnus is trying to "change" Chao by trying to undermine it from within, is why he is the ultimate embodiment of Tzeetnch. His inability to accept the primal truth is precisely what qualifies him as to the Chaos aspect's Primarch.
What if all you described was planned by tzeentch tho
Magnus trying to outsmart Tzeentch is laughable. He didn't even know he was played all of this time by the chaos god. He was played like a pawn his entire primarch life and now he thinks he is gonna outsmart him? Even Emperor would not be able to outsmart Tzeentch and Magnus believes he can? Looks like he didn't become wiser after his previous failures.
Also if Magnus was soo good, that he was trying to destroy chaos, he wouldn't kill Malcador, guy who knows A LOT MORE about Chaos and how to fight it than Magnus will even know.
btw, is it another retcon? So Malcador no longer dies from sitting on the Throne?
we can thank Alfabusa if GW canonically returns Magnus to the imperium.
this is good shit Rho.
That's it, I'm gunna write a fic of the primarchs in Terra High
This book was epic. You need to make a video of the dragon and the wolf holding back Magnus.
Man I really wanted to hear this but your spoiler warning convinced me to read it myself.
I truly wonder who would have won between these two psychic titans
Well Magnus spoiler alert so...
Magnus. Especially if he was to represent the Emperor's psychic might.
Tangential thought. You know how the emps gave each of his sons some redundant characteristics as backup (some point to this as proof that the emps planned the heresy)
Like both Dorn and Perturabo are great at seigecraft. Both Sanguinius and Kurze had foresight. And so on.
Where are the psyker redundancies? Where are the back ups for Magnus?
(Looks pointedly at the missing legions.)
In total amount of warp energy that one can muster, as he is the Psychic battery of the webway, Magnus wins. In terms of psychic power and warp manipulation, Magnus wins. In terms of temporal manipulation and sorcery, Magnus wins.
@@flameknightplayz2939 in terms of wisdom and experience Malcador wins everyday.
Magnus's epitaph,, "But I didn't mean any of this..."
Top 5 most powerful Psykers in 40k:
1: Emperor
2: Sly Marbo
3: Tzeentch
4: Magnus
5: Malcador
what would be the real list? heres my uneducated one:
1. Tyrannid hive mind,
2. Emperor's corpse
3. Chaos gods
4.Magnus
5. Eldrad Ulthran
wild card: Corvus Corax unlocking his potential in the eye of terror
@@helicaldota You're not allowed to put anything above the Emperor. It doesn't matter if you are wrong or right. Otherwise Sly Marbo would be on place one in my list.
@@helicaldota look at that genestealer!
@@Dreadbringer XD 5Head
0 : Ahriman 🗿
You have to do the next part!
Damn, you’re really making me want to start a thousand sons army
AP2 on Thousand Son's bolters and stormbolters.... Terminators fire 4 shots @ AP2 even if they move. Bolter Brain, if you like Bolters.....
@@doctordoubledakka3939 I did it
My army, the models are simply gorgeous.
@@Miggy19779 wow I forgot about this comment lol, I have a thousand sons army now btw lol
@@solidsentinel1285 woot join the club. Well done. All is dust!
Imma like and comment because I love your content but I haven't watched the video because I've not read the book. I'm looking forward to it now if it's so good you put me off the video. Lol.
All hail the Crimson King!
How many times have they used an extra to sacrifice themselves to bring back a main character now?
Only the god-Emperor knows that the problem with prequels putting characters you know will survive in a dangerous situation they would certainly die if it wasn’t a prequel.
5 minutes and 50 seconds in....had me a little choked up. He COULD OF STILL BEEN SAVED!!!
So, this "Primarch week" is much more of a lore week, and Magnus just happens to be involved. Where are his feats, praise for his abilities, and general awesomeness despite flaws. Every other PWhas been a look into what makes them great. Magnus' week has only focused on his inadequacies.
One of the core aspects of Magnus is that the best parts of him never got to shine. He was manipulated and schemed on by an eldrich being that mfs literally call the architect of fate.
He never got the chance to flex his supreme warp power, nor his incredible knowledge. That was censored in his very presence by none other than his own father.
His strength was the doom of humanity. Without his reckless behavior and lack of forethought, the heresy might not have been a total L.
The best ways to highlight his character is to reflect his potential against his reality. The current Magnus is a hypocrite shell of his former self, his fate twisted and altered by the very powers he was built to wield so powerfully.
Everything about Magnus’ story revolves around his failure. He is a tragic character, showing his glorious moments diminishes the actual weight behind his story
@@ianharrison5758 you are free to have that opinion. But the purpose of each of these little series is to talk about how B.A. each Primarch is...and Roh really fell short of that this time.
@@JWKONTRABASSO I mean Magnus’ power is shown at its highest at his moments of failure and loss. He’s not the “badass” type. He’s the mf who just wants to read that everyone is forcing agendas on.
@@ianharrison5758 again. That fails to tell the truth. Magnus is the B.A. type. Asmch as any other Primarch is. What you are focusing in on is his story. Yeah I get that. Its pretty tragic hero and all. But, Magnus certainly has moments 9f true awesomenss. Things that neither of the other Primearchs achieved. To say that he didn't is really saying that the Emporer really made him to fail. All the evidence points to the direction that Big E did not. Make up whatever excuse you want. This Primarch was not well covered.
What feels the worst, is if you look at magnus from a human perspective, from his perspective, he’s just desperate. He wants knowledge. That’s all he’s ever wanted.
And he’s had his hopes, dreams, and fascinations rejected, burned, and later blown to actual shards. He clung to the smallest bit of hope, the thought that something left of him being a good person was still there. He approached it, and had to fave himself, and then, understand the loss of his humanity.
He wanted to be human. And he screwed up like one, so, so many times.
Isn't Malcador a Perpetual? Im assuming he just comes back
he's not
It was an accidental psychic attack, attacks on the soul ends a perpetual. But ******** happened and ******* to ******** him
He isn't. That's part of why he looks so old, I believe normal perpetuals don't age. He is revived by a perpetual though.
Its never given definition whether he is or not. But yeah he is revived. Either way these 2 are still 2 an 3 in terms of warp powers
i mean if he's not a perpetual then what is he? because he's lived for a hell of a long time like thousands of years?
"I HAVE NIPPLES ON MY HEAD!"
-Magnus the Red
There is a huge difference between.
Intending: Warn the emperor of the imperium and your father that the warmaster had fallen and an apocalypse civil war may come.
Outcome: Breaking the webway you were never told existed while sending the warning.
and
Intending: "Arrest Magnus and his TS" by sending a demi-god furry known for being the galaxies biggest hypocrite and sworn enemy of Magnus. alongside an army of sisters of battle that specialize in killing what the TS were alongside not 1 or 2 custodians to show it is the emperor's will but armies ready to kill a legion.
Outcome: The Killing of a loyal legion alongside their primarch and the burning of not only a loyal world but a world of knowledge and art rather than ignorance and fear as was and especially now is most of the imperium.
You truly are a son of Russ.
Can anyone provide a link to the "New" Horus heresy books?
Been meaning to start this series but I'm not clear on which books are the old heresy and which are the rewrites.
Magnus was not as smart as he thought he was. Like Inquisitor Crowl told Lermantov,
“I can fight!”
“Yes, but you cannot listen”
Magnus is a case study in good intentions paving the road to hell.
The shard business? If he recovered the shard that he believed contained his goodness, he could then relegate all his bad acts to not being his true self. True to form, Magnus needed something to blame instead of taking responsibility. He didn’t realize, nor did Malcador tell him, that redemption is always available, the first step is stopping being an idiot, the second is owning what you have done, the third, learning from your mistakes/misdeeds and nor repeating them.
I agree with your assesment cousin
I watched a anime the other day and it had something similar to shards that represent different things, emotions, connections, to different parts of the person. I believe that the shard was the piece that contained all the connections between every single thing that is Magus the red.
Why didnt Malcador explain to him properly that the dogs were sent there apprehend him and Horus changed the order to annihilation?
Because it doesn't matter after the fact
@@guilliman1990 it absolutely does. Why would Magnus want to join Horus if he knew he was the true orchestrator. Even if he was still mad at the emperor, he may have at least not joined the traitors.
@@MoSteel497 Yea or just say f you all and leave the siege so now the invading force is a bit smaller. It would at least weaken their cohesion.
At this point, it's pretty clear Malcador wanted Magnus on Chaos' side for some reason.
Interesting that magnus kills the marine that killed Alivia. I didn’t expect that.
I guess alpharius and omegon were going to have to share, I wonder if they had bunk beds?
Request: could you please do your top 18 for the Primarchs
On top of this list needs to be Sly Marbo, legends say the 2 lost Primarchs were sacrificed to create me Sly Marbo!
@@slymarbo4258 it's impossible the sacrifice of only 2 primarchs to create a being of so terrifying power such as you
@@slymarbo4258 always good to see you in the wild my friend and we would have to destroy all of the warp to birth your amazing personality
I didn't read yet! I'll come back later Rho!
There was a part of the interaction between the Emperor and Olivia, where he showed her his vision of the future, his acuity. He showed her himself, locked into the golden throne in living death. He foresaw millennia of the Human race being ground down but still alive, and then one of his sons returning to lead the Imperium into the next galactic war, something that would make the Heresy look like a skirmish.
The Emperor knew he was going to win the war, but at the cost of becoming locked into the golden throne, dead but holding on. Was it his plan all along? Or did he accept it as the best option after the destruction of his webway project? Did he foresee his worship (and is that why he cleared the board of all other religions)?
There were some really interesting bits packed into a very small part of that book! Might be worth exploring a little.
Malcador: you have ball to destroy the webway and now you didn't have any to face the consequences!?
Aaand i turned magnus into a live wallpaper. good use of 30 minutes id say
I've been thinking about getting some WH books, what do you recommend i read first
8:24 Such a what-if story actually exists. Look up "Imperium Ascendant". It's a fan fiction but it's such a great read!
#MagnusDidNothingWrong
Again with the virtual gift vouchers...at this rate he'll have enough to break Holy Terra's banks
Games workshop should do a "what if series"
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So what was Maclador overall plan? To push Magnus over the edge and make his salvation impossible?
THRONE ALIVE barely 7 minutes into the video and I have chills not only on my arms, but my whole body too, im in fkn shock
Really? Hardly that exciting...
I think you and wolf get chills too easily
Rogal is by far my favourite Primarch but Magnus is becoming one of my favorites after watching these
Just finished and returned
Hey rho, what editing software do you use?
If the Emperor intended Magnus for the throne then by not telling him, by not bringing him to Terra, by allowing Magnus to even participate in the Crusade, the Emperor is at fault. The Webway was so important but the Emperor didn't do the simplest thing to ensure it's success.
The emperor should have been educating Magnus since the day they found eachother Psychically.
He should have trained him personally in how to use the warp safely, and how to interpret order from chaos.
He should have fine tuned his sons control to its absolute limit. His fear of Naive, inexperienced psykers was warranted, so he chose to…. Hide the knowledge his son needed from him while also denying him the very nature he was born with…. I call that pure stupidity.
Magnus was ALWAYS the keystone in humanity’s rise. He should have explained the warp and it’s many different varieties of nightmarefuel to all his sons, Magnus needed that knowledge the most and the emperor strictly denied him just that.
To let Magnus walk himself into the arms of Tzeentch, unwillingly dooming humanity due to the ignorance you ensured he maintained…. I’m sure whatever is left of the emperor regrets his actions with Magnus very much.
Magnus was created to harness and control extreme power through the warp, yet he was denied the knowledge he needed to be able to do that safely. Bravo Emperor of Man, you doomed humanity with your own stupidity.
Honestly the whole Terra saga so far has been bittersweet. There are things I wish had stayed a mystery and I’m dreading what might get retconned in the final Emperor vs Horus fight.
I know how you feel I was a fan of the theory that the blood ravens are actually thousand sons successors then this book come along and had the master of mankind say ‘oh we can’t cleanse the corruption in the Thousand Sons’ despite the fact that when russ stabbed Horus with a spear which was in powered by the emperor the corruption in Horus temporarily receded.
It always breaks my heart when I here about Magnus
I would love it if Janus was Azariah Vidya and returned to his chapter (Corvidae/Blood Ravens) and somehow found a way to purify their gene seed. Asuryan dispersed his power into all Eldar making them more in tune with the warp and greater psykers. Ahriman did something similar with the Rubric - although it failed due to Hathor Maat's and Aforgoman/Kairos's chaos fuckery. I think it would be cool if Janus/Vidya worked like Raava from Avatar Legend of Korra, reincarnating into newer Blood Ravens at critical points in the chapter's history to guide them to victory. It is said that Alexian and Vidya may be the same person, and its tradition for most chapter masters of the Blood Ravens to adopt the name of Azariah as a title. Azariah Vidya is also known as the 'Great Father'. The shard missing from Magnus - if my memory is correct - is his most noble shard, the aspect of the father. It is also important to note that the Grey Knights and Blood Ravens - in the lore - have a close relationship, and that the Blood Ravens 'are a chapter close to the heart of the Emperor'. Their Chapter Monastery the Omnis Arcanum amplifies the astronomicon, something Magnus, the Emperor and Malcador are only able to do as they are they only ones who can sit on the Golden Throne. I would love it if Gabriel Angelos possessed the final shard of Magnus and he were to battle Magnus and somehow redeem him and die in the process - along with all Thousand Sons and Ahriman turning to dust. IDK. I'm JUST SPITTING IDEAS!
Bro image if the next primarch to come back is a loyalist magnus. He fights the last loyal shard of himself that overcomes and defeats him
The shard definitely was a scapegoat for him. But it was probably also vindication that he is always right. He definitely always wanted to be right
I really hope TTS adapts this scene at some point. A duel between Magnus and Malcador would be awesome.
Such a deal would be one sided as fuck
Malcador would be obliterated
The feeling of being so deeply betrayed will threaten to corrupt you so thoroughly that you will beg reality for something to save you from the despair, and cling to possibilities you would not have entertained before.
Magnus...
'Nuff Said...
Chaos made him desire the shard, to get to Malcador and slay him.
Doub It though probably what chaos wanted anyway
It’s worth pointing out that Olivia hated Malcador and the Emperor and their plan by this point so her voluntary sacrifice to save Malcador’s life is even more meaningful.
Well considering before she come back to life the Emperor granted her a vision probably showing her that if malcador dies before getting his ass on the golden throne everyone fucked, so Olivia was kinda screwed either way considering her choices were die for humanity or get skull fucked by demons for all eternity.
Still want to know about those last two prime archs
Magnus week is pretty awesome. Lots of great comments with back and forth arguments. Can’t watch the entire video as I’m reading the book :(
you wont be disappointed in reading this one. it will be worth it to wait and finish reading it unspoiled. XD
Imagine if he actually got that last shard, do you think he still would have fallen to demonhood?
I think he would but only out of desperation like when his world was burned, he might of given into demonhood to protect his home and his sons
Magnus and his quest for this shard remind me of "sober" from Tool. Lol let see how many out there can see
Malcador The Sigillite became Malcador The Crispy-Boi.
I'm new to this. Didn't Malcador died using the golden throne or am I mixing the story with another character?
Yes! Malcador was a perpetual ..... meaning immortal, so he would of resurrected after Magnus killed him to later die on the Golden Throne!
Love it
What's going on with Janus now? Does anyone know?
The villas you refer, aren't they suppoussed to be for the Primarchs retirement, once the Great Crusade was completed?
I believed that was their purpose. So humanity can rule themselves without the intervention of them.
Not sure where I read/heard this.
I'm sure that we all want to know what hair products Magnus uses to achieve his epically awesome mane of red locks. Who needs two eyes if you have hair that full and luxurious. Am, I right? ; )
magnus oh magnus, my love