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In this video, we delve into the world of the Roadman subculture and how it has evolved from its predecessor, the Chav culture. Roadmen have become a prominent youth subculture in the UK, with their own fashion style, music taste, and language.
We will take a closer look at the distinctive characteristics of Roadman fashion, including the ubiquitous puffer jackets, Nike Air Max trainers, and Burberry caps. We'll also explore the origins of the Roadman culture and how it has evolved over time, with influences from Grime, UK Drill & UK Rap music and the rise of social media. Join us as we investigate the rise of the Roadman subculture, its impact on youth fashion, and its future in the ever-changing landscape of youth culture.
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Love all the content mate, variety of topics, great insights, entertaining, class act
You should do a video on Guinness World records. They were once great but now they are just a scam. A once great company that has fallen to the lowest of low cash grab scams. How a business can go from credible to having zero credibility and a pay for play racket. I love your channel and watch every video.
@@saltybmxer6977 that's a cool idea
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This culture has destroyed so many lives
"Your fashion is lacking" is now my favourite insult.
Insert: "I find your lack of Balenciaga disturbing" meme
â@@yato8571 Balenciaga sucks.
If you care about other peoples fashion you donât have anything interesting going on in your own life
@@jamiebonner1374 yeah I agree, plus if people mock you for what you wear there just insecure about themselves in some way
@@user-sj8os7uj2m Or they actually make an effort to dress nice and seeing you dressed like a hobo is offensive to them.
The roadman thing started long before drill and long before kids from country knew anything about inner city London and it wasn't something to be necessarily proud of, more circumstances.
frfr but its funny to watch white people comment on my culture
Truss this dude don't even know what he's talking about
Roadman dressing started in the late 80s to early 90s, straight Jeans became popular in the jungle drum and bass era and Nike air in the late 80s early 90s and hoodies 80s
@cthompson1976 Roadman is just a new buzz word for these people
@@amosbaron197 yes they think it new like afros and high tops like wallabies or stone island it's the same thing all over again
Being poor is one thing. Being scum another.
Better than rich scum.
being a basketball person is in most cases both. The music is not the problem imegrants are and they just happen to like that music
@@fylipghosta5074 they say its an english subculture, it's not. it's an african subculture that appropriates british language
@@fylipghosta5074the fact that youâre such a punk you canât be directly racist is hilarious. Also please learn how to spell. Gangs have existed in this country for years. You donât get to point the finger at those the media decided to broadcast the most to feed the stereotype.
It's not a African thing, this sort of thing never occured before the 2000s because there was acutally order and respect in schools
My friend with academic potential caught a murder case at 18. Itâs a game until itâs real; being real isnât âcheffingâ someone and catching 20 years , itâs making your family proud .
Cheffing lmao
I bet the reason he murdered the person was incredibly trivial too. smh
It's not a game bro it's real street
â@@RoddyPipersCorneashe went to the cheff school
Agreed. It's a mature toxic culture they cling to. "Kids" act up when they're insecure.
Coming from Jamaica & seeing our culture of violence & how closely related to a lot of modern Dancehall music i'd say the music does play a big role in influencing a lot of the violence & killings. They promote it & cheer it on normalising it into the culture. Poverty is a very poor excuse for crime & violence, poor people aren't all killer savages & some of the poorest countries in the world are also some of the most peaceful (see Malawi, Sierra Leone, Bangladesh, Indonesia etc.) Culture & mindset cause crime & violence.
The wealthiest people on the planet are the most Violent. The poor have little to no power to inflict any real damage.
And trying to blame Music for violence is so retrograde it is laughableđ€.
@@paultrought267 I back that to a large extent, but have also supported and worked with youths who aspire to the trapper's lifestyle repped a lot in drill, trying to replicate what they're seeing and hearing in the culture. I have to deconstruct the myths around the lifestyle and the bullshit around carrying a skeng, shotting, etc. Younger teens seem particularly influenced by it, presumably trying to find their ID and prove their worth. Trying to get them to understand and see sense is another thing entirely.
I ain't gonna say it's the music that's making them do it, but there's definitely a culture out there getting up to some fuckery with drill as their only musical reference point/ influence. Not to say there aren't conscious emcees out there spitting some positivity, of course.
@@ironmongol75 The trouble is, the lead comment was so misinformed about who really has Influence and control, it had to be called out. These "youths" have the exact same behavior as corporate businessmen that have gone around fleecing communities all over the world. They are market driven capitalist to their core. The only difference is the scale of operation, and while white collar businessmen are lorded, the blue collar version are simply called gangsters. Even the Music and sub culture you speak of is monetized by corporate businesses in music and fashion. And creators would be lucky to see anything more than ten percent of their own creations. And for someone(Lando1876) to claim they come from Jamaica and not realize their whole economy has been built on violence and exploitation which continues as we speak, and yet can only see violence from the poor and disenfranchised shows the establishment have done a excellent job in Obfuscation and left him blind and bewildered.
@@paultrought267 the point is people that do white collar crime in high places aint making silly songs , sure if you want to compare world leaders and war lords talking trash on the news you can do that but we are talking music here , making diss tracks towards people down the road from you about killing your friend which creates a cycle of death that should always get shut down and not celebrated just cause it sounds good a beat , its stupid , music is not the full blame but it does spark a lot of violence , social media too
This video fell short tbh. It goes a lot deeper than something that just emerged in the 2010s alongside drill. This âsubcultureâ has been around for many years before, the violence, the premise of the music, the fashion, all of it.
Was at least expecting a mention of road rap
banning music is liking banning video games in the US imo, doesn't address root cause.
@@junaydmalick807 banning the music is banning the root cause unlike america who have some crazy slums there are none in England where you have to go to the extent of being a gang member
@@VentureHolly How exactly?
Grime
it's so tiring living around these people. there are so many of them, and they're so violent.
@@miscellaneousviewing7916 doesnt excuse anything, even asian people have a hard time in london and are poor, you dont see them go and shank someone or blast drill
@@joemoment401tower hamlets is Asian and has the same problems. Ur talking cap
@@Blainoldn blud im legit from tower hamlets and i travel all around newham. the ratio of blacks (british blacks not african blacks) to asians doing this nonsense is like 7:1 from what i have observed, the asians get influenced from the behaviour of the black youth. mind you i do not have a negative perception of blacks (british blacks) but i do despise their culture of this nasty music and crime and general negative attitudes towards education
I dont even leave the house because I don't want to interact with them
I look out my window in North London... May as well be in Somalia, with all these ballied up skinnys on every corner.
Just few months after I moved to England from Eastern Europe, a balaclava wearing boys stopped me while I was riding my bike through an underpass. I am not very familiar with this culture at all, I thought they would ask for a lighter or cigarette or something. He mumbled something like " oi whatcha doin big man " "get out off your bike " "dis bike is mine now bruv" etc.. Prior to moving to England I have served 7 years in Afghanistan of which 3 years separately I was a close combat instructor for their military. Fought agianst talibans etc, and these balaclavas ( i didn't even know they are called that ) were making me feel uneasy. One of them start pulling me down and I started punching them one by one, they just crumbled and couldn't believed that I actually fought them. They were screaming and yelling and threatening which I couldn't comprehend totally.
Some lady called the cops and she accused that I was the one trying to mug the boys :D The police arrived and they put handcuffs on me, while the kids were spitting on me.
I managed to stand up while the cop was trying to lay on me, and kicked the balls of the spitting piece of sht. They wanted to put me in for aggravated assault on the cops. But eventually I was released without charges.
I learned a lot since that incident, those boys learn from it too. Main thing is that the moment you try to defend yourself with equal amount of violence against criminals in the UK the law is becoming their friend, not yours. The UK law and police doesn't care about innocent civilians getting robbed, stabbed or killed and all you can do is sit there and take it as a good boy. If you retaliate and start hitting back or try to stop someone who is commiting a crime, you become even more guilty than them. Basically the whole justice system is based on a mind boggling understanding and tollerance towards criminals and if you break that God forbid, you will take the law in your hands which is absolutely unacceptable according to UK laws. And these criminal parasites are taking advantage of it every second, every moment of their vile and absolutely unnecessary existence.
I have very strong opinions about criminals and what we should do with them. The only place they belong is the end of a rope, especially those violent types which stop you walking, break into your home or threaten you with hurting you.
Whenever I see the entitlement of 7-10 teenager groups, which due to their number think they are the biggest gangsters, imagine these little twits getting on their hands automatic assault rifles. What will be the outcome? They will become the same evil terrorists which will cut your pregnant wife's belly open and burn her alive with gasoline because it's fking Tuesday. The audacity of this country allowing the society to be run down by certain evil individuals and not doing ANYTHING to stop it is ridiculous. These mugs have chosen their path in life. They made an active selection. They have chosen to destroy, disturb, annoy and hurt the society. They do not deserve to live period.
Where at in Afghanistan?
Reminds me of that nurse, who had her bike stolen by a bunch of gang youths, so the entire media called her racist for trying to resist them and they portrayed that a NURSE was trying to steal the bike off 7 massive teenage boys. Identity Politics has gone out of control.
It's not just in the UK. The entire western world has this attitude towards criminals. In Sweden there are several cases in which someone stepped in to stop a deadly assault, but hit the attacker a little too hard (or with two strikes, instead of one) and were sent to prison, even though they saved someones life.
These judges, that have no experience with violence in their entire lives, think that someone in an adrenaline fueled, violent situation should just do the perfect amount of violence to deter an attacker and nothing more. One punch too much and it's jail time.
The message they are sending to the population is that if you see an old lady being choked to death in her car by a large man, just let her die. Don't get involved or you will have to spend 5 years in prison. This is an actual case in Sweden by the way, the old lady was saved by a guy that came up behind her attacker and hit him twice (one time too many according to the Swedish court system).
I remember the lady saying later in an interview that "she would maybe consider visiting her savior in prison". So yeah he got absolutely nothing for saving her life, it would have been in his own best interest to just let her die.
Well said mate, these little idiots think they're so clever when they are in a large group. Get them on their own & they cry like little babies. Pathetic, uneducated halfwits who dress like clowns & are unable to string a coherent sentence together.
As for our police & the laws in this country, its pathetic & makes me totally ashamed to say i'm english. If I could afford it I'd be out of this sh*t hole tomorrow.
American cities have become this way as well. We love our guns and talk a big game about 2nd amendment rights, but the asshats in charge of a lot of places (usually Democrat led) will do everything they can to throw you in jail for defending you and yours while congratulating your mentally ill, drug addicted, thieving, possibly pantsless, attacker for being so Brave And Stunning and standing up to Literally Hitler/Nazi/Facist/White Supremacist/Whatever the NPC's are currently parroting.
Watching some of the big cities in America crumbling from within due to their refusal to actually punish criminals is pure schadenfreude. Delicious, wonderful, schadenfreude.
Another thing that hasnt been talked about much is that it is bringing well off people into that lifestyle as they aspire to be in gangs as a roadman. Ive seen it first had with rich kids saying there gonna stab me and gonna get their men on me. Dressed as a roadman acting blasting drill. I find it really sad that that is a thing people aspire to be a part of when anyone in it just want to get out.
Kids these days moving like that up my way now. Bunch of Fannys acting like theyâre âroadmenâ⊠Viva la NEDS
I just like roadman fashion is a very discreet style I can't explain
â@@flexxx13 it camouflage simple
The thing is that these people donât want out, they just donât want you to have anything better.
@@flexxx13 the entire point of it is so that you can conceal yourself. Good luck pinning down the identity of the person who just mugged you if they had a big jacket and balaclava on. It's not something to aspire to look like, in my opinion.
Call me prejudiced but if I see people in 'roadman fashion' I keep my distance.
This video is fairly educational but is missing a few things:
1, roadmen existed before 2010
2, the first roadman to get a music ban was the Peckham rapper 'stigs' aka 'tiny butch' (William) in 2011, at that time he did rap since UK drill didn't exist yet (PYG, GMG/ANTI, Peckham)
3, one major influence for roadmen wearing Balaclavas/face coverings in their music videos was the murder case of Zac Olumegbon aka 'lil Zac' (TN1 gang, Tulse Hill). One of his murderers Jamal Moore aka 'jkid' aka 'JJ' aka 'Younger sneakbo' almost got away with the crime, however police recognised his big nose from CCTV and music videos, then and caught, arrested and linked Jamal Moore to the murder case. He was charged with murder and given 14 years in 2010/2011 I forgot the exact year (GAS gang, Brixton)
I just looked it up. This gang violence is so sad. Itâs the same issue in America
@@lawrencebello6177 its all over the world its so fucked
Why before 2010 you'd think 2011 but okay
@@funnyhttps 1:17 "by the end of the 2010s"
Roadmen existed before 2005 so before 2010/2011 regardless
â@@NiKaHikari ohh OK I didn't know 2010 was a pretty random year cuz 2011 was the start of 2010s
it normalizes violent behavior
And promotes it. The people listening to music about violence and gang life can identify in it and start to engage in such behavior as well. I know a middle-class child who listened to rap and started to admire drugs and the life on streets and started to despise the values of the society as attending school, having a job and following laws. He ended up on drugs, without any education and with a criminal record. This styles of music doesn't help the poor by giving them voice, they harm them by promoting those kinds of behaviour that cement their poverty.
I Remember looking out of my window I'm the deep dangerous centre of Brixton with my daughter and seeing a stabbing I literally had to tell her it was a sword fight. At 15 she ended up in one of those ''sword fights'' on her birthday never came back home.
Damn sorry for your loss.
Shit, man. I am so sorry for that.
Good thing you turned in your guns huh?
@@Wincestiamustbemuricah đ
@@Wincestiayes it is as itâs much harder to stab someone and we didnât turn our guns in it was never part of our culture like most of the world. Iâm sure the guy that lost his daughter appreciates your ignorant comment though. The murder rate for the whole of the uk 65 million people is less than Chicagoâs so-whoâs approach do you think works better.
The roadman culture is the reason why someone in my Secondary School got murdered. Luckily I had no attachment to this person since I wasn't close with him, but the fact that I saw someone around me who is now dead is eerie. He went to Eastbury Community School if you're wondering. If you know you know. I'm not naming names tho.
Same here with someone I went to school with scary thing is it happened outside my local chicken shop
@@AlfieandAbbie surbiton/kingston area?
@@miscellaneousviewing7916 I know right đ
@@miscellaneousviewing7916 He means he's not naming the person that got stabbed.
But I thought Britain was super safe, the democrats had told me no one dies in Britain because you banned guns, surely youre mistaken and no one actually died right? Or was Joe Biden lying to me?
Not fair to say the road man is an evolution of the chav. Very different locations and different demographics.
yeah i'd say there are similarities but it definitely didnt come "from" the chav
They have no correlation
Literally this start of the video is pure waffle lol. Just say you don't know whats going on but bro makes a whole vid showing he doesn't know what's going on haha.
@@pineshines3934 its more that alot of people who would fall under chav fell under roadmen. Like some adopted that culture. Before there were a shit ton of chavs but many of them nowadays are the white guys from ends, when before it would just be a few
â@@nottyreseI'd massively disagree. Bc that's wildly wrong, no Chavs became road men Chavs became EDL members
The roadman is simply Tony Blair with a reduced defense budget.
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Theyre really saying "Come to my neighbourhood..."
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As someone who went to primary school in England and had a friend who lived with his grandparents while his mom lived in London, I never really understood why he didnât live with his parents until I got older and learnt about the knife crime and how itâs become more and more of an issue in places like London and Nottingham and was a issue in Scotland before. The reason Iâm saying this is because a lot of the time as black people I feel like weâre so quick to blame society and say âwhat can society do for usâ and in turn say stuff like âall theyâre doing is speaking their reality the wider issue is why is that their realityâ but for me it comes more down to responsibility, everyone knows that the only reasons knife crime continues is because 1 young boys are too scared to be âcaught lackingâ a lot of the fighting is via which neighbourhood people are from/post code revenge stabbing a where someone got stabbed then they themselves or their friends go out and do a revenge stabbing to âeven the oddsâ but all that does is continue the cycle. The thing id say that would have a bigger impact on youth is not only giving them some sort of feeling of being safe but also having real father figures that are around to show how not to ask what society can do for you but how you can contribute to society. Iâm tired of people either listening to it and fuelling it and just kind of going along and saying âtheyâre just expressing themselvesâ the lyrics are dark af and borderline evil tbh we need to stop furthering it. That all comes from the wider community not the government in my opinion, the government itself is a mess so why wait for the government or the police to fix these types of issues, it all starts by people setting positive examples of ways to get out of their poor situations that theyâre born into. A lot of the gang related stuff in London anyway is just another export of the bloods and crips culture when they initially started out the UK tried to copy that stuff like we always usually do when it comes to American black culture.
We must raise the Dixie battle flag and liberate the UK. The UK and USA belongs to white people, why don't they go back home to Africa when they were freed? Oh that's they want live in the white man's country for its benefits
Well fuckin said.
UK culture was influenced mainly by Black Carribean and African people and Perhaps Asians a little bit so I have no clue what ur talking about it's also clear ur not from London so you are literally clueless
You can't just let people in from other countries though. Roadman is not an organic british culture, it is foreign. If you don't keep track of the influences and ideas coming into your country, you become the USA. Devoid of culture, values or identity. Just a big brown soup of every culture thrown into a blender and forgotten about. Incarcation rate, murder rate and crime rate for blacks is high for a reason, they don't fit in with the culture. So few have their heads on straight, the rest are ready to shoot at you over the colour of your clothes or your ZIP code
@@anamaliify I second that
jimmy describing my whole school
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Being a gangster in a good ass country with good neighborhoods, good education and good police will never make sense to me.
Clearly never been to London
@@sossaa2962 They live in council houses, on benefits with free healthcare and education, it wouldn't be hard to make something of themselves if they were smart. I've met roadmen before, like chavs, they are incredibly dense people. If I were poor I would not be dossing about town at night on drugs, I'd be doing 12hrs 6 days a week at work powered by tobbaco and caffeine thus no longer being poor.
@@blacktemplar2377 chavs are nothing like roadmen what u on aboutđđđ
â@@largewood.How are they different? You think road men have 30 year mortgages? Violent and in a council house. Pretty perfect fit
@@issei4561 You have no idea what ur talking aboutđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
This is what happens with the erosion of the family unit, hope, and a sense of belonging. Same for any youth culture sadly.
Most kids either grow up in a home situation of abject poverty, abusive upbringing wether violence or mentally, or the kind of family people would assume is better because of more money coming in because both parents work. Even the most functional families below the middle class background these days are squeezed so heavily, some kids want for nothing, yet they never really see their parents which just means the direction and love isn't there even if all other factors seem abundant.
A lot of the older generations will never understand the loneliness of these people growing up, so many different lifestyles of the modern family all really equate to the same damaging effects be they financial, mentally or socially.
World now is very different than our father's was, one parent could work and sustain a family leaving actual care for kids growing up, society was less warped and there wasn't the rampant commercialism at any cost, politicians and supposed leaders at least appeared more decent and respectful on the whole.
Everything about modern society has become so twisted, and the next thing followed by the next will only get progressively worse as the younger generations feel more and more disenfranchised.
Society is in crisis, big changes are needed.
This isn't actually as new as you think. This is (not so) surprisingly similar to Victorian Britain, lack of parents at home (though often the kids were also working in very dangerous situations), rampant corporations, squeezed middle class, utterly repressed working class. Etc.
@@insertname3977 the cycle of civilization, accelerated with technological advances, when we become old timers, there will be very little wisdom to pass on.
@jhonviel7381 Most people never had wisdom to pass on that wasn't already common knowledge. The idea that we as individuals have anything of worth to say when we're old, is a fantasy born from the idea that we're all special.
@@insertname3977 i guess i meant as a generation, we will generate little to no wisdom to pass on, for a plethora of reason, but to OP's point; modern society is not held up by a strong idea, but rather very brutish realpolitik that utilizes individuals as just disposable and replaceable cogs-in-the-machine.
this is what happens with non-European, 3rd world migration. Say it as it is.
Grime actually developed out of Garage music which is UK house music. Grime had a more darker tone with young people from deprived areas in London talking about crime, murder, respect, their neigboorhood etc. This also is connected to the physcological state of many British West Indian youths in parts of London feeling hopeless, low self esteem, lack of connection with their surounding and society. So it led to a culture of degeneracy what gave rise to these grime, drill music, roadman culture, knife crime glorification.
"feeling hopeless, low self esteem, lack of connection". How about low IQ, high testosterone, high confidence, low work ethic, low discipline?
@@karlscher5170 Na that just your and the narrative of '' ethno-nationalist/identitarian'' narrative. Nothing to do with low iq or high testosterone...typical pusedo scientific remarks made by a specific Western European groups living in a bubble.
@@karlscher5170yes the second one is the side affects and how it looks to someone on the outside, if you look a little deeper into a person you see it stems from the first!
@@extended3779 I think it's a combination of culture and genetics. Look at other places where people of African descent live. The circumstances are totally different, yet the outcome is the same.
@@karlscher5170no one wants to mention the elephant in the room
Grime was so incredible man. Dizzee, Wiley, The Streets, Kano etc. Then you have the original road rap guys like Giggs. So much dope music, miss that time.
Perhaps. But we can't lose sight of the fact that these are men for whom committing murder is the very apex of human achievement.
@@eadweard. You're ignorant opinion is neither relevant or welcome. You clearly have a very small mind. Educate yourself on why such circumstances are ALLOWED to occur in the first place.
I liked Nia Jai as well. As chipmunk came on the scene is when it was peak.
@@eadweard. thatâs far from true when it comes to grime. none of the guys he mentioned are about that or glorify it. drill is what youâre thinking of
@@eadweard. patently untrue.
I've recently discovered your channel and I love your videos. They are so greatly researched and informative, and greatly presented - keep up the good work!!
Just love the posh accent cover to the songs đđ such class sir (said in a british accent)
Chav culture isn't where the roadman came from, it was a yardie thing that integrated and came over to the uk in the 50's and 60's. There's a lot missing in this video, would have been interesting to have gone more in-depth with it.
Heâs white he donât know shit
But the chav culture is part of the same evolution that created roadmap
Chav culture dress code is not different from
Other street dress codes
Single Momâs and no Dadâs. Itâs the same issue all over the world. USA, Canada, UK. Itâs decline of family. Itâs so glaring and people donât want the truth.
its more than that
@@thatsdenzelx OK. What is it then?
@@TheMancYank satan
spot on with this comment! that is just how it is but ppl refuse to even hear such words. awful and again , same cycle, children becoming victims of the upbringing from the so called parents. ridiculous!
â@@bebe8842 nah it not only that there's more to it like the community and who the hand out with
This is ridiculous, all that clout, rap, shit... None of those people chasing that have often experienced hard work, modesty, and they don't want to be part of society.
They just want things without contributing or feeling like they don't need to do a thing and everyone else is supporting their lifestyle.
Let me tell you, that's not how the world goes mate!
Well put.
wtf are you saying, making music or selling drugs is very hard work. What you're thinking of is landlords and shareholders - everyone else has to work while these leeches enjoy the fruits of our labor without having to contribute a damn thing.
@@HamidKarzai Making a GOOD music, with a talent. It's easy to mumble sum words and play crappy shit. But actually make good soundable music is a whole different level. I can even make your everyday mumble dup ketchuo song in 5 minutes and you would eat it
@@HamidKarzai And I guarantee it comes with ''No originality'' Flavour
@@buenoloco4455 lol
Watching a bunch of dudes make gun signs with their hands and probably have never even held one I find hilarious.
Yo, South Londoner here, you've hit the nail on the head with a LOT of things in this video. Very well done, you've done your research
As an American, I'm very curious: Are guns common in England / UK?
@@BraveClam our knife crime is a lot higher than our gun crime, but still is very much a thing. For instance, if someone gets mugged more time theyâll be threatened with a knife. We are meant to have strict laws on guns but people always find their ways of getting them. Some people have them for gang âraidsâ, other gang members have them for protecting themselves. Hardly anyone who isnât affiliated with gangs has guns unless youâre a farmer or something though
@@BraveClam very uncommon. Only hardcore gangstas have access to guns unless youâre a farmer etc. knives are much more common
@@BraveClam majority of the guns you see on the street are antiques and blank firing guns that have been refurbished, usually shotguns, revolvers, handguns.
Thanks for the replies folks âđ€
Dubstep was my intro into grime and i could see it becoming popular in the states. Then dril came out and the evolution was insane to see
The early dubstep scene is so underlooked for its influence and impact
@I've given up finding a good username. wish I was on th4 early dubstep wave, by I was introduced to the genre through skrillex
@@somebody1thegame
"Are we on air?"
"Yes you are..."
"Hellooo ma...."
â@@hahaihaveahandlenow was just talking to a friend about this. I made a comment about seeing Datsik when he was still getting started, back when Apples dropped.. So good. Anyway, she was like wow what a time to be alive lol! Never felt so old.
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"ok u get it comin up-up-up-up-up"
i love it when people make excuses for shitty behaviour. "it wasnt achoice just look at their surroundings" is an insult to everyone who does make it out of tough conditions without engaging in tomfoolery. There is no good reason that makes you go stab or threaten a person other than greed and lack of discipline.
Or hell, those who are still in such environments and just go about their daily lives not being a thug and attacking someone.
How is it insulting those who got out though?
â@infantjones because it's minimizing the efforts it took them to get out. if you try to talk to the normal people in these communities, they're tired and they're targeted because they're seen as weak or labeled a rat if they're just trying to get by making an honest living. It's not easy to get out of that situation. Those who do should be celebrated but they're seen as traitors in the community. Terrorizing people all your life and then expecting people to "understand where they're coming from" is absolutely an insult to someone who made it out and contributed positively to society, probably being harrased by said individuals during that time. They see their oppressors being celebrated, cared for and given a chance they never were afforded. It reinforces the behavior that if you want people to feel bad for you, don't try to make an honest living. It's better to indulge in unfortunate activities, harm your community and poison them, as long as you can get views. Then people will come on the news to defend you and your actions, because no one cares or rallies for the people who took the other option to live a normal life.
Huh search up Morrison, K Koke, Potter Payper, Benny Banks, English Frank or Don strapzy... all white with millions of views including prison sentences and murdered family members.
Lol.. tomfoolery.
Yeah, you're right but it also goes deeper than that, psychologically speaking.
It's all a mask they think they have to wear because their references are so badly warped.
Another great video, thanks!
Honestly impressed, you did your research going back into Grime, when it went to the charts with the waterd own music, then the return of grimey beats, then the incoming wave of Drill, respect the work and research you did going into this.
Whatâs wrong with going commercial though? Isnt that what these guys want to have no.1 platinum selling records and create generational wealth? I always thought itâs weird when people act like music popping commercially is a bad thing đ
@@nameisamine most of the commercial grime stuff just wasn't good and alot of them did it for the money but they was not happy , skepta talks about being depressed around those times before he switched it up , wiley didn't like what he was making but he said he had to feed his family
^ that and also you lose part of the culture, nobody was making grime then the old fans were left in the dirt
@@icba9292 but weâve had some drill records go number 1 on the charts too, is that culture being âlostâ too? Iâd argue watered down drill songs with commercial imperative topping charts would be way better to change peopleâs lives than, the lyrics renaming super violent and incriminating.
@icba9292. He didnât do his research. Half of this video is misinformation. Or plain wrong! Timelines all off. No talk about late 90s early 2000s. So on. Poor video
man i hate all the roadman guys at my school :/
Wonderful work
Congrats
ripe but rare example of how strong media is and how bad influences can ruin an entire nation (and now other nations as well, even Hungarian teens are mimicking these clowns)
It's been banned but it's still super popular. Brands like trapstar, hoodrich, mercier, corteiz are all coming out of this culture shift. The drill song body charted to number 1 on the UK chart, drill and grime in the UK are a way for young artists to mak eit out of poverty.
Cracks me up seeing FAKE Trapstar + Hoodrich T shirts etc being sold at my local Car boot Sale
Very few drill rappers make it out on music alone. Think of how many are locked up right now or just constantly in and out, or dead. Even the ones who achieved comfortable success like Digga, Russ, Headie are still targets or still involved in gang activity. They face the choice of dropping the drill stuff and trying to get off road and therefore lose their violent appeal (and face the risk of getting checked if they still rap about gang life) or stay true to the gang and stay involved in the culture and the risks that go along with it.
Getting rich on glorifying violence and making the world a worse place for everyone else.
that wasnt wiley rapping about âlenging a man downâ that was Chronik, a grime MC from the Slew Dem Crew
wiley will give you the tiger uppercut tho
Nice video and well narrated, thanks man
Rap back in the day was all about coming up, getting out of the hood and telling you how bad it is. Now they seem proud of their violence and want to drag people into it.
Great video but Stone Island ain't a roadman brand although Drake did get it from that group but it came from the football supporters which eventually gave it exposure in the uk leading to roadmen wearing it
Yes, Stoney was popularised by Casuals decades ago.
great vid but constantly incorrect? how does that add up
@@toma58uenaventur I never said constantly incorrect I enjoyed watching the video, but i noticed he made a mistake with that
it's mad how the whole world knows about roadmen now đ€Łđ€Łi still remember being like 13 in my secondary school and teachers telling all the badman to take their coats off, back before the ting went mainstream. big up everyone who grew up in Londons golden era !!!
The word Roadman itself was something new and recent haha
@@a.demifemiflapo5795 yh ik it was badman or rudeboy back in the day
@@AnonymousLdn That's right. It was Badman! Haha takes me back to the good old 2000's
What year is Londons golden era?
@@theonef570 2000s and 2010s
Just came across your channel. Not sure how it came up but watch your piece on Louis Therouix and now watching this. Real quality work man. You got my subscription.
Love how GOERGE ORWELLS 1984 HAS COME TRUE.
The thing is now I know so many people from good rich families who always try to get involved with gangs and try to be roadmenđ€Łđ
Digging the content on your country, it's interesting to see different cultures and things in different places in the world! Keep it up bro!
Great vid and very-well researched
Great video dude. Iâm from London had no idea about any of these things happening. I know a bit about drill but I tuned out during the grime phase.
You did a good job on this one!
I was a Roadman before Roadman was a thing back in the 80's. I was in a breakdance crew and we would battle other crews that would on occasion spill into violence, but we didn't stab each other to death, we'd have a good old fashioned straightener, win, lose or draw shake hands at the end. It was the evolution of Hip Hop. Watch Beat Street old skool breaking film that was close to reality
So...a BBoy?
@@pendafen7405 yh G
why were you in prison for 16 years then
Ur arab dont talkđđ yu guys do the exact thing in France
@@miscellaneousviewing7916 yeah but you dont get 16 years for a social taboo
road man sub culture has been evident in London suburbs like Essex since the 90s, they just called them rude boys back then
Drill is pure trash, but you canât ban someone from rapping đ uk government is a JOKE.
They also did this back in the 90s when Death Metal was emerging
Ik Doing that is the musical equivalent of banning games to stop shootings and stabbings, if anything mfs will try their hardest to listen to it even more
People in the UK should make more effort to protect their right to free speech, it is ridicoulus...
Fact check :
'Roadman' did not come from chavs. 'Roadman' is just a continuation of predominantly young black street culture, born out of London council estates in the 90s.
Chavs actually partly came from 'roadman'. Outter London and beyond, white council esates had youths dressing a certain way, tracksuits etc. But as the London street culture started to get picked up by them, like wearing certain designer clothes, trainers, hoodies, etc, they didn't quite imitate it well and it ended up looking the way it did. Their feral behaviour that followed with it lead to them being labelled Chavs.
As for debate about the influence of music, yes 100%, but it influences others around it, those who were not involved in the first place.
It is 100% boasting about violence and how much of a badman they are. And it's that same 'badman' culture which got UK Garage shutdown and the same thing happened with Jungle. Once the music gets harder, it attracts the 'man dem' in their groups, and the events become a hotbed for violence to kick off.
That was literally what brought UK Garage and Jungle events to an end, destroying the scene.
But, mc's and rapper etc, use to be waffling about they did. It was all fabricated, whatever to sound good. The problem is that youngsters don't know that, and it influences them. Now you have a gang culture tied to the drug trade, and these dudes are bringing it into the music.
I could go into alot of detail and explain how things evolve, but i'll say two things, one, is that 'gangsta rap' from US in the early 90s is where this entire thing started from, and it was a fabrication by a Luciferian music industry to sell records to a mainstream audience. The same program of selling 'cool' gangsta black men to white suburb kids has been repeated over and over ever since.
Two, the environments of the council estate and rough areas, continues to make youth like this. I saw the Africans arrive in London, all sweet and innocent, but eventually turn into these guys, absorbing the same street culture that was already there. But this existed to an extent before there were any black people in the UK. It was about classism. The areas of the poorer working class would breed crime. I know old gangsters who are more sound of mind, and they tell me they were born into absolute poverty. No chance at anything. They had to make their way. People don't know what poverty was like back then.
It was real poverty. No food. No extra clothes. No hot water. etc. Not a penny. Had to find a way to get anything.
Anyway, this same setup is still intact. New migrants are put into these areas, and they become just the same. Straight into crime.
But these dickheads have created a 'badman' culture of boasting about how big they are, glamourising violence, and it has been repeating since the 90s.
The streets are now f*cked, because everyone has got a knife, and these souless zombies don't care if they die, if they go prison, or if they take a life.
By doing this they are helping the system to f*ck them even harder. And then spreading it to their own communities, and then to the next generations.
Same thing is happening in America. But you see, America was the root of it. And the root is Luciferian.
You see how evil works ? Bad creates bad. Neverending chain of destruction. It's true that the 'badman' culture from Jamaica had influence in the 90s, but the UK Ragga days were short lived really. It has been US Rap influenced ever since as far as violence is concerned. UK never had US style gangs. It use to be groups of 'friends', reputation based. Respect was in place. People use to be very real, and being called a 'gang' would be seen as fake and laughable.
It's about time people stopped the nonsense and free'd themselves. And to the Marxists and Anarchists who think it's ok to use these boys as a way to teardown Western civilisation, the blood is on your hands too. Wake up everyone
Facts
A lot of what you have said I was about to write. There is so , much you said that's true. I come from the streets and poor background too. But instead of believing the same old attitude that as a young mixed race teenage boy that there's no hope in life. The system is against me and all that bullshit that is constantly perpetuated over and over again.
I had witnessed serious violence in the moss Side gang culture. As early as 1984 there was three main gangs. The gangsters driving nice cars, wearing big jewellery, with colour coded designer clothes. Pepperhill was blue, Gooch red bandanas and olive green, Hillbillies from Cheetham Hill in a dark forest green, all influenced by crips and bloods colour code.
In 1986/7 most violent attacks involved coshes or a small rounders bat, snooker balls in socks. Shortly this progressed to using machetes in attacks and witnessing those attacks still haunts me 30 years later.
One serious machete attack led to the first drive by shooting which was really intended as a scare tactic. Unfortunately those dudes using a gun for the first time without any training will have found a fired gun has a mind of its own and dances and leaps in all directions, leaving bullets flying into lampposts cars, doors and windows of random houses, 80 or more bullets fired and not one hitting the intended target.
That first drive by shooting did have bullets that hit human bodies, and those bodies were 4 young children. And now revenge was imminent. The machete and cosh attacks were over now it's GUN WAR, and what I call the longest game of tennis in history. Tit for tat, back and forth the attacks went,
I knew young boys who were nothing big, were not fighters, didn't have a bad reputation and yet the gang culture got them, now with a PKK gun in their hands at 14 years old, it wasn't long before they had grown fear, gained power and plenty fake respect. Now these young boys felt like they were something, they belonged to something and had a thing missing from their lives called "Love". And that is the fuel behind gang culture, roadman, drill grime and whatever else exists in parts of society.
The thing is I know some of the older gang members who were shit scared of Somali's because them dudes are real barehanded violent beasts. And they've experienced real heavy violence as young children as young as six years old back in Africa. But back then Somali's in Manchester UK weren't involved in gang life.
Mostly gangs were made up of full Jamaican ethnicity, or mixed race heritage and at that time a small handful of English lads too. Some of them were real hard fighters before the gang, quite a few members soft headed not fighters but could take a beating just like me.
It's those young boys who aren't hard as nails who use weapons and guns mostly out of fear. How else do they protect themselves if attacked by a group of 6ft 15 year olds who have all got reputations on the streets and seriously feared by all.
At 15 year's old I was accused of something I didn't do, my friend took a serious beating from a respected and feared gang leader and I went into hiding after the gangsters sister and team caught me put machetes to my knees and a cold shiny Beretta in my mouth right to the back of my throat. Three weeks later, I had to go visit my friend, and it was that day while hanging out close to his home that one of the highly respected older gangster came and chilled out with us. He had heard the news. Out of his waistband and sock he pulled two guns. One of my friends gets all hyper and giddy when one gun was put in his hands, as he acts out all the fantasy ways hrs going to kill our enemy, my other friend who took the serious beating did the same thing without as much giddiness of his brother, but still, he was acting out a fantasy. Both of them didn't have it in them to REALLY shoot someone. And then the gun was placed in my hand, I raised it up, two hands on the butt one finger in the trigger and eyes straight down the barrel lining up the sights at front and rear of the barrel. My mind had the vision of what would happen. Calmly I lowered the gun and our gangster friend then pointed out that only me has got the killer mentality. It's the quiet ones you have to be careful of. He then seriously asked me if I want to go and shoot our attacker that very night. ,
And all that would have done is start another tennis match of killings so I faced him barehanded. I couldn't hide forever. And I was innocent. He accepted my plea and I went and did what was thought impossible, I got my arse into college with grants and turned my life around.
10 years after college, I had run my own graphics company for five years and still doing illustrations in the drum and bass hip hop scene and I was approached to do some youth workshop with challenging youths from Moss Side and Hulme. I thought this would be easy as I am them and have been them.
That first workshop was easy and it got me well paid work for the next 7 years, and in that time I was a role figure and inspiration to huge numbers of youth. And because I could relate to them I got results and most satisfying for me is having that much impact on someone that I changed their lives and 5 young people who I worked with are now living successful happy lives when family and society had given up on them. And the worst thing I see getting worse and worse is rich kids wanting to claim poverty talking street slang, attracted to gang life. And that's the power of fantasy recordings played out glamourising gang culture. I could go on with more but for now that's enough đ but I will say one thing, that when the govt increased jail time dramatically for ANYONE involved with gun crime, that's when everyone started using knives again BSCK TO WHERE IT STARTED IN THE EIGHTIES
@@artist_with_dharma137 great storytelling đ
â@@artist_with_dharma137 This is what i'm talking about, these are the real stories from people who were there and saw it all evolve. Thanks for sharing brother, i have no doubt people like us could write a few books on the matter lol.
I forget about Moss side, yea it was happening up there. Not as frequent and widespread as what we're seeing around the UK today, but amongst the gangs themselves definitely.
You mentioned Somalis, they came to London too, and were mostly calm, but now they have big gangs set up, and when someone kicks them off, it's straight up raiding areas in masses with machetes.
Albanians were another group who were from poverty and trained in crime from young. From a London perspective they changed everything. They turned 'drug dealing' into a serious organised drug trade for Cocaine, and of course they were simply bringing European ogranised crime into London. They use to work for Italian mafia at one point, since they were the suppliers.
They kept to themselves, violence only connected to business, but it was the street youths who began shifting the gear who got organised into gangs and armed. That was the root of the change.
Once the government cut the police force it was the beginning of the end. The stats show a clear correlation between the cut and the increase in knife crime.
It spread to those around them basically. As you said, people realise they have to defend themselves. Before you know it everyone is carrying. And when there is no police presence.. boy, people do what they want.
@@mrman9285 I'm autistic and ADHD when I'm on a roll with something I'm passionate about or have great experiences I just can't stop lol. Between nodding of asleep and jerking upright with grrrryyywwkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkssssssmm up in my reply it took 3 hours to write that short story hehe. And I myself had to cut it short or next what happens like it did earlier is I deletes all I wrote by nodding of to fairy land FFS... and I've still got to add some extra thoughts in reply to @Bon Tempo đđ
damn bro really put in work
I am not British and have never been to Britain but have been addicted to watching these subculture videos lately
The only thing Is left out is all the rich kids who have all the privalage in the world being inspired by grime and top boy to be âbad menâ if these kids actually met a badman theyâd run away with their tails between their legs but tbf if a London ute met a g hot out the slums of Somali theyâd find it hard to conceive the hardships that they have dealt with, that is if they survive past 14, swings and roundabout I guess, love x
that made no sense..
@@raskltube I understood it just fine
You a Somali bad girl? đ€Ł
Tell the road man to come at me without a knife and ten of his mates at his back and it will be a different story........only hard cause it's cool on the video...these clowns ain't nothing alone....come live in one of the rape and murder capitals of the world in South Africa that I deal with daily...these "hard men" won't last a day in these streets
Somali Pirate you mean
London Boi can't even speak the language correctly đđ
âAnd then we jump over to Devlin, whoâs dressed like he just got back from beating up away fans at a football gameâ đ
One thing seriously overlooked in this video was the introduction of the online safety act 2023. Under section 181 it makes it a specific offence to send a message and or threaten harm online. This gives police the powers to deal with things like threatening music videos and have people summoned to court for g checking their post code rivals
I can see you've done the best you can journalistically and in many incidents you've done well, but tbh there's alot you've missed out and overlooked, there's soooo much more in different pockets and decades but fair play to you. You've bothered to collate info to the best of your knowledge but there's just sooo much more
For reals itâs acc a decent attempt; but due to how much stuff is missing I canât give it more than a C+
Like I want to bump it up to a B- because of how on point everything is narrated and put together
But research methodology sir đ I would like a bibliography
Banger after Banger! Expression vs Impression is always a good argument to discuss
Is it like nature be nurture
Back again with another banger jimmy keep the up the growth and progressing to that million views !!
One day he'll be a 1 million subscriber giant
"even though they sound violent theyre really just saying just come to my neighbourhood and see whats going on" that had me in stiches hhahaha
Drake the type of person to fall in love with something right before it's outlawed
Good thing about this culture is the police know who to arrest
they're literally just self-reporting đ
I can honestly say Roadmen are hated way more than Chavs.
Why wouldn't they be though?
yeah chavs might throw a can at you but roadmen will stab you in the face
Dope video Bruv
i've been jumped by roadmen before and now they scare the life out of me. but the fashion and the music is cold
the fashion as dictated by JD!
Irish teens trying to replicate drill culture is always funny to someone from london
Drill was made in Chicago đ
@@TSG_ Thereâs still a drill culture in London
My like was won by the exceptional drilling at the 5 minutes mark. Nice one wagwan proper rights up.
I 100% believe that music about violence does groom young people to become violent.
yeah seems obvious to me
The police stopped me from releasing my song "I'm Going To Stab Bob Outside McDonald's At Ten PM On Friday". It's such bullshÂĄt.
#3kornpop
Dude I can't get enough of your cultural commentary. You ARE the giant!
in germany its illegal to "call out for violence", when it is against an specific individual or specific group of people.
who would have ever thought that making music glorifying gang violence would be a bad thing.
Good one đ
Miss the extreme sports though
"i dont remember nuffin i was obviously smashed aht me tree" đ
bronx drill rappers looking this their face be likeđąđąđąđąđąđą
Him talking about getting "concerned" with the authorities when they are literally only trying to stop the crime and retaliation murders happening around him
âThe road manâs origins came from the old dying subculture of the chavâ- 1:05 in, and I have to disagree. Mandem were never chavs.
It's interesting because even through theres a big difference between cultures but metal went through a similar stage. A lot of black metal such as the band mayhem had lyrics and album covers that admitted and provided evidence to murder cases. But this stereotype spread to every genre of metal and if you look into it closely, the two genres have many similarities in terms of origin and culture so it makes sense that even though there is a almost hatrid at sometimes between the two cultures, they share a lot more than we think.
The thing is, metal lyrics got FAR more violent in the last 30 years, but violence isn't really a part of the culture. George Fischer sings about the most grotesque shit but is basically a suburban dad kinda guy. Mayhem was just a part of the nuisance that lowlifes gathering in Helvete caused. Hip-hop is on a totally different level.
@@adity.atiwari The lyrical content itself is also different because in metal, hard rock or whatever, it's less... literal in a way. I'm a big fan of Linkin Park, because each of their songs can mean something different. And even if some of them have a clear message, you can still interpret them in very different ways. Hip hop isn't really like that. However, despite the two being opposites in terms of lyrics, I find myself a huge fan of both genres! :))
Yeah but the black metal dudes were like....killing each other, commiting homophobic hate crimes, burning churches all while espousing (to this day) legit nazi beliefs. The music itself was seperate from the criminal aspect and has been continually a problem within the metal community
â @@adity.atiwarivery true
Death metal treats its violent lyrics like horror more than anything, the whole point is that it's grotesque and awful. 99% of artists never actually idolize murderers. But with drill, they kinda directly promote violence and the artists are actual criminals.
0:16 guy thought he was MF DOOM
"Often rapping about money, cars, girls..." gggggeeee, they really are FRESH n NEW, ey?
You really killing it mate, as usual awesome vid, thanks and a happy weekend to you đđđ»đ
Shout-out Pete & Bas.
Peak meme culture
Freedom of speech is a moral absolute. END OF!
So they banned a gang? Sounds like a fuckin win.
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Nice one bro but I feel you could have done more on the influence of Wiley and BBK as founding and heavy influencers in the genre.
You cannot talk about uk drill history without mentioning 1011
Whatâs 1011?
My cousin was affiliated with 67 and stabbed someone in Brixton Hill and got sent to prison. My family moved us out soon after. To be honest I never realised how popular gang affiliation was until It was the last day of school in year 6 and everyone was tagging gang symbols on each others shirts (its normal to sign peoples shirts when leaving school in the UK) Its kind of sad how young it starts
Solid story telling. Love the context given
97's are definitely not the roadman crep of choice, it has always been 95's
97s are the shoe of choice for drillers, the newer generation of roadmen. (Post-2017).
Interesting & thought provoking for sure! đ€đđâđ€đđ»
USA: gets actors from the UK for their big budget movies/TV series
UK: gets Drake for music and "cheap" fashion.
"the chav culture came to an end"
*The north* : am i a joke to you?
pretty much anywhere outside of london tbh
@@AnonymousLdn yeah true, and the music is making a massive revival
Chav culture is exclusively white, roadman culture is exclusively black and its important distinction to make
@@denzel9086 facts are facts
â@@MR.TwifterZ Not really true tho when you have your Central Cee's, Benny Banks, even take it back to Skinnyman in 04,
Very surface level to say it's just a Black thing - They're just the trendsetters more time
Stopping a jme show because of worries of violence shows how little they know about the artists involved jme isn't the type of guy who'd have that happening at his shows he's pretty tame for UK rap standards compared to the likes of tempa t, kwengface and LD he looks like an angel ngl
Really some interesting things sounds in this video!
I've watched your videos on Hooligans & Roadmen back to back. I'm struck by the different tones you use, when explaining both.
Everyone in the UK has access to schools, NHS and so on. Unfortunately mainly the black communities have taken on the pity me attitude of the Americans, whites and asians in the same communities, neighbours with the black communities work hard and leave the area. Black communities sell drugs and say it's the only way to make money. Yes not all people in the black communities fall into the gang culture but the same communities need to look internally and ask why the young black youths with access to the same benefits as every one else fall into the same traps of gang culture.
its the need to fit in to the highest degree. If rappers song about going to collage and making good communities the youth may listen but that's never going to happen. As its easer to call for violence and rebel against whatever.
Stereotyping black people with one big paintbrush is just so myopic and ignorant. Not all black people are the same.