The Sub-Culture the World HATED
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The rise of emo culture swept the world in an unprecedented way, but where did it go?
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When you said "the chavs" I felt joy for some reason.
Good a past text
These people give batman a challenge for how much black they like to wear.
i hope they keep sponsoring me so i can keep eating them... in other words you will not be buying them yourself lolol
Wait are you serious it was made a hate crime to attack an emo?
Now the teenagers dress regular... but they are still depressed
Edit: To anyone who didn't get it, it was a joke. It's not a well-formulate opinion piece about that matter.
The teenagers dressing regular hahaha. But you are right about still being depressed. As a 23 year old in college I see/have seen enough depression and anxiety from myself and others to last a lifetime.
i took 10 valiums with alcohol to try to get some rest but it didn’t work i think i need to double the amount
Yeah.... At least the newer generation doesn't romanticise mental health, at least, I hope they don't. Also, fuck shitty parents, especially if the father drinks all day and emotionally and physically abuses his daughter. Most friends of mine with mental health issues have parents like that.
Regular? Where tf u live lmfao
you must live under a rock, the whole eboy egirl altboy altgril thing is exploding right now, but if you are unperceptive or live in a knucklehead part of the world I can't blame you.
The emo moral panic has so many similarities to the satanic panic of the 80s. In the 80s it was "Teen dies and is discovered to have been partaking in dungeons and dragons/satanic literature" and in the 2000s, it was "Teen dies and is discovered to have been listening to emo music." It's tragic that kids died but correlation isn't always causation.
The media and its hate and fearmongering really sucks. And so do all the normies who mindlessly go along with it.
Well there is some science that backs it up. Not the satanic panic stuff but depressive negative whatever can exacerbate depression if the individual already has it. Your brain reacts to music similar to the way it reacts to a drug.
Teens tend to find unusual ways to die. Let's face it, who amongst us wasn't pushed down a steep hill whilst perched erect in a shopping cart? And yet shopping carts are still legal. I have lost my original point.
@@SuperCrazyPsycho731 How does that theory explain "Weird Al" Yankovic?
@@colinwilson4609 not really sure what you mean considering his lyrics are humorous parodies of popular songs
My son was an EMO. I liked MCR and Panic at the Disco. He was a happy kid and all his EMO friends were great people. I never saw a problem with it.
None of those bands were emo bands! Your son was a neo-goth
@@saulspeaks2557 I was there and emos liked MCR and Panic at the Disco.
@@Plastofam again, none of that is emo music! You were a neo-goth that watched MTV and listened to what they called "emo." I would bet you $100 right now that you couldn't name a single real emo band. Not one.
@@saulspeaks2557 sunny day real estate?
@@lauraslade5308 you're getting a lot warmer!
My town had a big goth/emo presence in the 2000s, they were scary looking, but were always so polite and friendly. In fact, it totally changed my understanding of them. They weren’t weirdos, they looked a bit weird sure, but they were good people. I miss seeing them hanging around and the goth shops all closed which is sad
Now is just sports look and criminals and homeless in sportswear/ hoodies, really sad and boring.
I was in elementary school at their rise, they were annoying. As I got older and I was in high school when My Chemical Romance split up, they were still annoying.
Odd thing is skater kids listened to the same music as the emos, but they always picked on the emos.
😭😭
The emo kids when I was in school were mad chill and were accepting of pretty much anybody. I used to hangout around them alot as the nerdy group of kids i was apart would often intertwine with emo culture. Good kids just going through a lot at home.
I was welcome in all circles and other than a few jokes nobody gave a shit I wore chick pants and had ridiculous hair.
Honestly other than having the hair and pants I wasn’t really “emo” I just liked the style and the grindcore/hxc music, wasn’t really a fan of mcr or hawthorne heights.
I did love hellogoodbye, deathcab, chiodos etc though.
I feel like everyone says this about every group of people.
Edit: apparently this harmless comment triggered some people.
@@aroach7461 then am I supposed to absorb the black & white rhetoric you're spouting?
@@accountrandomnumber182pointing out something that people commonly say? What's your logic?
@@aroach7461 bruh when I read that I just thought of gandalf standing on top of the tower of sauron summoning the letters in this order:
f,a,c,t,s,&,l,o,g,I,c
😂😂😂😂
Emo has actually come back and is currently very popular with teens. Maybe not as much about “the sadness” but in fashion and music taste it is going on strong
Eh,the "Sadness" pretty much became it's own sub-culture nowadays
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Right. The whole e boys/girls aesthetic is definitely a re vamp of emo and it's great!😀
@@no.6377 wouldn't call it great
Can adults would to if it was comeback why tik tok trap musicians mgk and others mgk should not be and not release them no Ian dior no trippie red no black bear yungblud lil huddy Olivia rodrigo some cast in downfall high movie or is it a music video and more and will Emo stuff ever be in rock n roll hall of fame
As a goth man, it's sad to see emos being persecuted, it's like how the romans keep attacking us and try to integrate us into their empire.
You attacked them first, Cniva.
@@CliffCardi 😂😂😂😂 dude dont wake the woke hahahaha
@@CliffCardideserved
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yeah pretty much the goth was replaced by seething rainbows and sparkly hate lol
I visited Japan recently and they absolutely LOVE emo/goth type fashion over there. Especially in Tokyo.
Nice
@@aofmual Nothing? That's false. Emos & Goths can often be mistaken for one another and they have a lot of similarities.
@@aofmual Haha okay, but you're looking as pressed as orange juice.
In Mexico I remember it wasn’t just “People against the emos” from what I remember it was a lot of people who considered themselves “Punk” attacking them for basically stealing the look.
os mexicanos eram bem loucos, chutaram aqueles rabos magrelos pra valer
That was actually a big point I was waiting for the video to cover - the widespread view among punks and goths that emos just stole from them and commercialized and trivialized what their subcultures had built up. I was a teen goth at the time and my friends and I hated emos for that and saw it as an insult if someone saw us as emo. Not sure how I see that attitude today, but that's what it was like back then.
Dude... I can't even imagine being Emo and 🇲🇽... that must sucks!...
Kinda like : 'From Beans to Last" or "My Chemical Burrito' or 'Funeral For a Fajita'... Lol
As a metalhead/punk enthusiast who came up in the emo generation, it was so fuckin annoying having shitkickers and jock types condescendingly ask me "why are you emo?" Just because my clothes were black. Didn't wear makeup or skinny jeans, and my band shirts weren't those obnoxious neon cartoon/offensive block letter slogan designs lol. That shit got old and made me have some disdain for that subculture. To anyone who wasn't up on "subculture" everyone with a misfits or slayer tee shirt was an emo
I remember anti emo news from Mexico City around 2008ish. It seemed so weird to me that the emo kids were being attacked.
As a former emo I have to say: It was not about being sad, but feeling understood while being sad. It's about helping sad kids out lmao
As you said, emo-rap and other emo-like genres are fixing in that same spot :)
I'm an emo rapper (self titled) haha if you're open minded, come check :)
Well put...🙌
I hardly new any sad emos. As. Goth I was big on the scene in my city
As a Goth I know a few emos and don’t really see them being sad intact the ones I do know tend to really be super talkative and hyped of energy drinks much like my self so this is a good well put comment
Stop being a wuss
I'm a current emo, and I think that "emo" music actually helps me feel better. it's relatable, and helps me feel known like I'm not standing alone.
Same
As a depressed kid raised by the internet, sure listening to depressing lyrics makes me cry, but thats a good thing. I was never allowed to express negative emotions at home or anywhere else so I stopped being able to feel them. I was constantly empty and I didn't feel alive. When I did finally cry it felt liberating. Some things have to get worse before they get better
relate to this so much. I guess I didn't know why I was always difficult to cry in sad situations, maybe because I didn't allow myself to do it, but home alone I would cry so easily by just listening to Evanescence. I also cry watching movies and kdramas... or playing games even hahah. I'm not hard to cry at all, but I did learn self control at an early age because of my mom, we used to fight a lot and it made me resistant.
I was emo back in the days haha I would say being emo was based on some mental struggles and internet was quite helpful with finding other people with similar struggles. Parents were blaming the music, friends, you name it but being emo it was sort of form of connection with other kids that were struggling with some stuff and also form of expression for parents to notice that there was something going on.
Yeah but it was kind of unpredictable. Connecting with other people with similar struggles can be great. It's nice to have someone who will listen and not judge you. But at its worst, you can just end up bringing each other down. I remember with my ex we just drove each other to drink heavily and other forms of "self-destruction". Everyone has a different experience.
But at least it made the subject less taboo. It was a net positive for society as a whole, but for me it got worse before it got better.
@@ebreshea oh don’t get me wrong it was very very dangerous experience and very destructive episode of my life. The idea of not being alone was nice, but a lot of kids with same if not worse struggles together can end up really badly. That’s why therapists and psychologist should be for free. Especially after whole lock down where government decided to lock you up and then pretend like nothing happened and as you to deal with it on your own.
My emo moments I had at age 16-18 and I use to say that I was at my worst at the time… until lockdown… it’s been so many years and I am still struggling to find myself after all that.
Might be a good topic to talk about in here as well. How it changed and affected people. Parkour community is global so it might be interesting to hear different perspectives from people from other countries 💪🏽
same! i still got my all black vans mostly cuz they are a great bmx shoe but still lol
Honestly emo never rlly died out it just kinda got replaced by alt and stuff of the like
Back in what days?
From an elder emo, I'd say everything you've said was spot on about the emo subculture in the 2000s. But what I didn't know was the killing and witch hunting of emos in Iraq, Mexico and in Russia which breaks my heart. Rest in Peace for the emos who never got the chance to grow up and make it to the emo revival of the 2020s. 😔
They will not be forgotten ❤️🩹
I like the music a bit, though none of it's really my scene. What I do hate is nonsensical aggressive violence without anything, that even slightly resembles a good reason.
In Britain, 2007, we lost Sophie Lancaster at the hands of some 'townies' for the entirely imaginary wrongthink thoughtcrime, of being a 'goth'. She was 20. She was only a kid really. Even worse her attacker was only 16. I don't think he intended murder, but he was young, stupid. Just tragic all round. She lost her life and his has been marred forever.
I live in México and i can tell you that really happened and it was one of the most bizarre things at the time. I don't remember if anyone got killed but there were injured people for sure
@@quetzilla762 yeah I had heard of it. But I think it was because it was implied emos were homosexuals.
@@charion1234 No, that happened because there was another subculture that got angry with emos because they believed they were copying their style
@@quetzilla762 goths?
Emo music saved my life. Black Veil Brides, Falling in Reverse, Escape the Fate and Paramore showed me it’s okay to feel and let things out. Later I screamed and danced my anger away through Metal and Industrial, got to know stillness of the mind through Dark Wave and Psytrance and now mostly listen to Hard Rock, Jazz, Classical Guitar Music and Folk. Music is incredibly powerful.
Hardrock for president. A goat in the underground
You an awesome character arc !
I hope this compliment makes sense haha !
Same here, man. They gave words to feelings I did not understand and allowed me to silently express sadness. I eventually moved on to heavier music and now I listen to Lorna Shore and actually feel happy haha Weird how the harder the music got, the happier I became. It served it's purpose and was a truly positive influence in my life. I sometimes view it as an old friend that I eventually parted ways with, but am always thankful for.
I'd go deeper into that list with bands like Thursday, Jawbreaker, Deftones ( I know they're more nu-metal but many emos listened to them), dead poetic, Saosin, taking back Sunday, armor for sleep, funeral for a friend, flyleaf, underoath, MCR, AFI, and many more.
And how did you change your musical tastes over time?
I always felt MCR made me feel not alone in a world I was already alienated from. They made me realise there were people out there who understood how I felt, were going through the same things, and had come through to the other side to live successful lives.
I was an emo throughout my childhood, I found comfort in emo culture. A lot of the kids in it were experiencing the same things as me, being in foster care, abusive parents, body image issues. Every time I got bullied in school, or felt worthless, I knew there was other kids out there going through the same thing. It really did save me from a lot of depressive thoughts. Then I started therapy around the end of highschool, and slowly related to emo culture less, finding that associating myself with positive thoughts was better for my overall mental health. But I still, even now in my 20s, have a lot of respect for emos and think it's tragic how much they were and still are targetted by abusive personalities.
Yep it's mental illness
I was punk back in the day. It was a kind culture to be a part of. As far as emo music, it was great, I miss it.
@@SquirrelDarling1 thought that was real cool 😂😂 times changed
@@Matyo120 k
I recall one emo kid who was dating a girl I liked, ended himself, it seemed that I could have been in the same situation. We both fought over a girl who neither of us ended up with, it was not meant to last, teen love.
"Emotions are bad", said every sociopath ever.
Every emo hater ever*
We block them here in Irak
@@firstnamelastname4249 all the "emo" stuff is contraband here too.. stoic beards is all I see now.
So... pretty much all of "civilization"?
Oh, wait... that only applies to one's _actual_ emotions...
@@Jack-xc2ys I mean blocked them by smashing stone blocks on their faces after r*ping them
I used to be an emo kid. I can't really explain as to why I got in to that subculture. I liked the music, I liked the "look", had mental health issues and had always been a sort of outsider. Then there was this subculture where I could be open about my mental health struggles, I wasn't judged for it, and I always had a shoulder to cry on when things got to be too much. Everyone in the subculture I met would welcome me with open arms and just seeing someone emo on the streets would be a meeting of new friends. We all shared something that brought us together and we were friends almost immediately just because we were part of the same subculture. Today I dress normally, still struggle with mental health issues from time to time, and don't really have any contact with any of the emo friends I had back then, but I'll never forget the times I spent in the subculture since that's where I met some of the most kindhearted and open minded people I had ever met and I owe the culture a lot for who I am today.
I was an undiagnosed depressive when emo into play. This was in the days before the NHS diagnosed anyone under 25 with depression. It helped me feel not alone. The hatred actually spurred people to give me a spot in therapy so now I can function in the world even while going through crippling depression.
Loved high school in 2009. I was a punk and there were loads of emos, and we'd pick on each other like we weren't almost exactly the same, sad teenagers
Rn there are a lot of doomers
I was the one of the punk emo at my hill Billy hell high-school in saskatchewan
@@johnmacangus2634 Saskatchewan? my dad's side lives in Saskatoon, I visit sometimes from Calgary and man it's rough out there brother, definitely feel for you if you were the only alt kid 😅
in my country there's a time where majority of gays pretend to be emos and yeah a poser wearing violet mascara and sh!t..my male emo friends hated it so much that they converted to punk rock and guess what they did?
they just cut off their long one sided hair into short ones and style their hair with spikes and that's it instant punk rock, they use the same attire.....yes punk and emos are brothers as you said it's just the same
Interestingly emo's were massively disliked within the adjacent heavy metal world. I remember going to concerts in the mid 2000s and if anyone wearing emo clothes walked past the line everyone would cheer and mock
I think part of it was how many people couldn't tell the fckn difference between metalheads and emos so we got sick of being called emos all the time.
Even Goths today are seen as emos, despite the only similarity being wearing dark colours
I'm an emo rapper (self titled) haha if you're open minded, come check :)
@@Jane-oz7pp Not only that, but beef between Metalheads and Punks (who were the ancestors of Emos after all) goes all the way back to the 70's.
Yea this is interesting. I was a metalhead kid then, only one in countryside, like 20km radius
I really disliked when someone called me emo. Metal seemed like way more serious shit.
But really the metalcore scene is tonthis day disliked by some oldhead slayer 40+ yo slayer fans bc of the same emo association.
Im 52 and nearly dead. Thanks for the channel and keeping me in the "loop". Cheers Mate!
12:31 So happy they said this. Not only to those who wrote the article, but also to their fans. Some people abused the emo subculture to promote SH among those who identified as emo. It made some more vulnerable people believe they needed to hurt themselves to belong to the group. So "nothing is worth hurting yourself over." coming from the members of MCR, the band those same people look up to, is great! It is likely that this motivated lots of people to quit SH.
It's about hating yourself, not hurting yourself.
The most confusing thing for me at the time was the total difference between the emo look and the sound of the music. When I first started noticing emo kids, I figured they were into stuff like KMFDM or Switchblade Symphony or Rosetta Stone or nine inch nails- stuff that I liked but was just too old to care about dressing up for. Then someone told me it was "emo" and showed me some music, and it was... Jimmy Eat World? That "Everything everything" song? I was very confused, because the look said "Goth" to me, but the sound was "pop punk".
Yep, pop punk pussies and scene girls is exactly what they were.
@@stephanieann9770 there's no need to be insulting. They were kids. You were a kid and did cringy stuff too. We all did.
emo started in the 80s DC hardcore scene with bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace so was a lot more sharper and edgier as, well, it emerged from the post-hardcore subculture; then in the 90s it took on a more softer sound due to the influence of grunge and pop-punk and people also became a bit more chill I suppose; then in the 2000s emo just became a catch-all term for any emotional-sounding punk or rock music, including music that wasn't even close to actual emo, so any kind of scene culture got mixed with it creating the edgy dressing style
nowdays, it's fused with so many different genres to create 5th wave emo that pretty much any outfit in existence fits with it, hence why the style of dress continued as there was no reason for it to go away
that's at least my opinion on as to where the outfit came from
i have no idea if this made any sense by the way im so tired lol
@@trans_diflu0r0ethane it does make sense, thank you! However, it brings up my other question - why is it called "scene"? That is such a generic and vague term, you could just as well say they were fans of "bands that play music." What scene are we talking about here? The punk scene? The rave scene? The Goth scene? The rockabilly scene?
@@zachariahpoltergeist4516 scene is a vague term yeah, not 100% sure how it originated but it's generally used to refer to the "edgy" sounding 2000s metal and punk bands, I presume it's called scene as they were all similar enough to each-other to be apart of one collective "scene" and be played side-by-side in venues? that's my best guess
many of my Goth friends still curse the very notion of "Emo".
the same Goths who, otherwise, are the kindest, happiest people I have ever met.
I've had lots of goth friends and they all keep immaculately clean homes. I think it's what comes of spending your teen years cleaning up candle wax.
@@karlmay5306 ? Candle wax?
@@doggothesavior9107 goths love candles 🤷🏼♀️
@@Jane-oz7pp oh
@@grimjoker5572 I got impresion from yt that goths are elitist a$$holes who complain how everyone calls them emo and god forbid if you like some bits of their fashion they want you to know about their music, I listened to few songs but damn those are terible, I used to think goths must be cool but now I am kinda disapointed, emo is more closer to me, has all good bits of goth fashion, nice music and culture is both wacky and wholesome as it was basicaly a tribe of bulied kids who liked weird stuff
ill never understand people attacking others because of how they look
... clothes. Skin. Makeup.
It's the du_ mbest thing I've ever witnessed. I can't process it. I just don't get it..
im Iraqi citizen most of my life ive lived here, emo went through lots of persecution since emo culture started here, they get killed and eliminated, as if they are not human beings, there existence is denied . its very sad, anything new like that they get killed that's all. even Hinduism and other religions is denied here other than islam.
As someone who's been maintaining the "emo" style to this day, this sure was an interesting one!
You touched on the mental health aspect really well. Really great coverage on this topic Jimmy!
I'm an emo rapper (self titled) haha if you're open minded, come check :)
Same here, been in the scene since 2005 when I was 12. There has been a emo revival in the last 2 years, we've been calling it the Rawring20s
I feel some of it is a bit over the top... For someone who wasn't in it I guess that is the attitude they would have while trying to learn about emo... he did his research for sure, but you can tell he wasn't part of it so he doesn't really get it...
What mental issues do you struggle with?
@Cultured Anime Waifu [Russian Waifu] LOL don't talk literally take one look at your uploads 😭😭
Forever thankful for Emo for allowing me to talk to people about my mental health issues because my parents denied me proper medical care for my mental illnesses for years
Even if i can't help , know that I am here for you.
What's your mental illness
Dudeeee same xD
Maybe you should have listened to your parents and not been a wuss
@@hsthatzo8063 If only parental guidance regulated imbalanced chemicals in the brain, it doesn't. That's why we have... you know, qualified professionals for that shit.
I find many of your videos, funny and entertaining, but also informative. Really lends context to why things are the way they are.
Once an emo, always an emo. 🖤
🤡
punk rock better
@@riffslayer42yeah emo is cool but I mostly like punk
@@SMCwasTaken look at your Mario profile picture. it's giving "13-year-old gamer kid that spends too much time on TikTok"
@@riffslayer42 I like emo music too but I agree. Sex Pistols, The Clash, Link 80, The Cramps, Rancid... nothing (except Bauhaus) beats that
Non ironically that subculture influenced half of what Internet is today. Lately I’ve started to dig into various Internet phenomena and lots of them were either a product of emo culture or a product of anti emo culture.
Also I’ve seen some people in the comments talking about the “rawring 20s” and I can confirm I’ve noticed an exponential shift towards emo culture where I live (since I live in a place where cultural trends take more time to be incorporated it means that in America it must be even more of an evident situation). Sorry for eventual errors, I’m not a native speaker.
Could’ve fooled me
As a person who enjoys the Dark Academia aesthetic on the Internet, I can assure you a majority of our aesthetic stemmed from basic ideas of Emo culture, but mixed with the old-school preppy aesthetics of the 1950's - 1970's.
The internet of today is completely shit, thanks for pointing out that Emos had part of it, now my hatred has grown!
Yeah it really has influenced today's world
Nah give it another decade
10:56 that's especially rough because MCR have always been open about their music being intended as a voice to relate to when you're depressed, so you don't feel hopeless and alone. (Something I would say they succeeded at really well)
It crazy how emo music was about venting your emotions and not bottling them was was associated with self-harm. While pretty much to the best of my knowledge every single person in all those bands are still alive. While 90s grunge bands which were stoic and didn't let out any emotions led the entire grunge scene leaving every front man except Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam dead.
There are hippie rock music festivals, there are Emo music festivals, there are hair metal music festivals, there are nu metal festivals, but there will never be a grunge Nostalgia music festival.
Exactly at 26 one of my fight songs against my Anxiety and PTSD which I know aren't the same is I'm Not Okay by MCR I blare it a lot cause I feel seen and heard when I play it
as a current emo kid, i find that the genre isnt about sadness(and self--) anymore, its more about the road to recovery from that sort of thing, the most mentally healthy ive ever been has been in my emo phase :0
I just found you, I’ve binged the hell out of your videos. You’re very good making videos. And your information and how deep you go is awesome. Never did I expect you to bust out rites of spring! Haha. But man. I think I’ve watched 25 videos… all incredible! Like every video I go damn! Bravo! 🎉
I loved (and still love) emo bands and music. But never got behind the styles or the constant sadness
Emos are a urban myth. Yeah there had been some fashion, but not that crazy as in the video. nobody can tell me there had been people that cut themself for a trend. It was a joke. Yeah we heard music like from first to last. But we heard slip knot, rise against etc. is that emo? Was somebody sad? no it was the greatest time ever. This crazy guys with wierd hair and eyeliner, never saw one. Not even on a concert or festival. I was once on a my chemical romance concert. . Only simple normal people. And not the music style died out or the trend. No it was just a slight change in fashion.
Ok rock died later around 2015.
@@eve-llblyat2576 Well back in the days we met with ~50-100 emos with that extreme style in Frankfurt Germany, every weekend. But we were all quite happy and partied together but some had borderline syndrome and indeed cut themselves (not me).
@@19LostInYourEyes80 ok that explains why the i saw none in the rest of germany. you all band together is frankfurt.
@@eve-llblyat2576 the most you would ever really see is just special styled haircuts and maybe some of the clothing every now and then. but even at the shows where you would expect to see them, there would be even less people with any of the stereotypical features people think of as emo. its weird that to people who werent inside the culture misunderstood it as being the same as punk rock - more of a fashion rebellion than anything of substance. but it was just people who were more open about their emotions than eurocentric culture had deemed "normal" and other than that, they looked like your every day person and lived like them too. they just werent constantly thinking about how they could get more money from scamming people and stuff, they constantly thought about the meaningful things that happen to us. there was probably some groups of outrageously dressed people but i was way too poor to ever be interacting with them so i never saw them. it would have costed a few hundred dollars per month (on top of normal living costs) to maintain that level of scene fashion and styled hair lmao.
@@eve-llblyat2576 haha yeah we were from the neighbouring cities and were like one or two people per school. And the weekend was like a big happening where we all come together
Fun Fact: Ironically, listening to suicide and depression songs actuallly help people a lot. In the depression community, it’s VERY normal for people to joke about our dark issues and it helps a LOT.
Kinda like when normal people are sad they listen to sad songs then feel better afterwards, y’know?
Edit: I FIGURED IT OUT, it’s because sad music acts like a mood stabilizers and releases happy chemicals :D
Thank you for pointing this out
While I'm not going to dispute what you're saying, I'll just say that your statements are anecdotal at best, and any individual would be lying to make such a firm claim about how certain types of music have one effect without also potentially having other effects.
you're right. every rose has its thorn. just like every night has its dawn. just like every cowboy sing his sad, sad song. wait, that means, cowboys are emo. they may not wear black all the time but they do wear tight jeans and sing sad, sad songs. so lets saw them apart, we'll cook and eat their heart and make a mask out of their skin. but all kidding aside, at least emo don't bang little kids like today's sick society but everyone is okay with it. i rather be emo, dress in black....back in black...have a cool hot emo goth woman than dress up like a ugly bearded woman...dude looks like a ugly lady.... and bang little boys because no one in their right mind, not even emo, would bang them. at the end of it all, emo have the last laugh. in your face society, you sick f*cks!
There's a depression "community"?!!!
I have to agree. Making fun of emo did provide me with good times.
being emo gave me a sense of community when i felt like i didnt fit anywhere. the amount of friends ive made just because we both liked MCR is crazy.
ON EM GEEE MCR IS AWESOME
Just discovered your channel today,loving the subculture deep dives,would love to see you do one on juggalos, there's a fun clown paint encrusted rabbit hole to fall down
I'm 45 so I was never emo. But my daughter was. I suffer from depression so I listen to dark sad stuff. I'm a big fan of a lot of these bands I know the lyrics. It was through music that we and my daughter always stayed connected. So thank you emo scene
LoL, why are you pretending to be 45?
45 would put you directly in the right age group for emos back in the day. So why you lyin?
This is why parents need to beat their kids I find people that act up like this are extremely cringe yes I used to get beat as a younger kid that’s why I’m better than other kids because I’m stronger than them
If this comment ain't wholesome af then I don't know what is
@@applejuice3500 not everyone is that insecure, quit projecting.
My chemical romance the black parade was a particularly special song for me. The reason is, my dad when i was young really did take me to his home towns festival. Its one of the earliest memories I still have to day as he had me on his shoulders, and this girl with a feather in her cap stopped to say hi. I think i remember her playing saxophone too. I played clarinet, and tennor sax in high school and jr high. I now play guitar, alto sax, and piano and write my own music. Not only that, but she gave me the feather out of her hat, and many years later when I was in Jr High and Highschool, I to was in the marching band. My dad was in the band, brother, step brother, step sisters were also in the band when we were in school. So for me it has literal meaning.
When I was younger, I probably was considered emo, but I grew out of that after time.
My older sister was a emo.
Your channel reminds me of Vice when it was good.
Edit: and they’re so nicely made I have been watching around 4 episodes in a row, and usually on my phone I end up watching reels so you know I have a short attention span
Grate video 💯🖤
I sware to god when in the end the screen blacked out and i heard "waite right here, ill be back in the morning" and saw peep i got goosebumps...
You even mentioned x & juice
Definitely the best artists of our generation..
I love your non-biased perspective Jimmy. As 90’s kid my self I was definitely inspired by the Emos fashion and looking back they where actually really brave to talk about their own mental health I’m 31 now and wished I went to counselling way sooner!
There has been an emo revival in the last 2 years. We call it the Rawring20s. I never gave it up, been in the scene since I was 12 in 2005, I'm now 29, so that's 17 years xD
I used to be full on emo, but over the years I've come to use self help, laws of attraction, meditation, positive thinking and spirituality (as well as psychedelics) in order to live for positive vibes and attitude as well as self love.
To anyone going through a depressed time, you can do it, it will get better, I had chronic depression and severe social anxiety from the age of 12-26, the power to heal is within you. I beat my mental health issues without meds or therapy, you can do it, I believe in you!
Good talk
thank you for recognizing the rawring 20's, a lot of people still dont know emo has made a comeback
@@acidducks9476 hopefully more former emo kids will come back if we spread it to the four corners of the web ✌🏼
also I love your username, I'm assuming you too enjoy a bit of candyflipping? 👀 I highly suggest trying acid with ket, k holing while tripping is next level.
Ofc believe in yourself but avoiding help all together isn’t the best idea. Sometimes it’s ok to get therapy or to talk to someone and not just figure out all yourself.
Where were you during 9/11? Were you watching it on the news? Were you in the thick of things, near ground zero? Were you among that rare number of people who were sleeping in?
As someone who was an emo teenager during its peak from 2004 to 2008, I can confidently say that it was not just a passing phase for me. I still listen to the same bands I was listening to back then, and although my appearance may have changed a little, traces of my emo roots can still be seen in my hairstyle. In fact, I feel that my connection to the emo subculture has only grown stronger with time.
Looking back, I realize that my struggles with depression were genuine, but there was also an element of performance and seeking attention that influenced my behavior. Nowadays, I find myself struggling with depression in a more authentic and deeper way, but I also feel more equipped to cope with it.
In conclusion, emo was not just a phase for me - it was a significant and enduring part of my identity and a vital source of connection and meaning during my teenage years and beyond.
I used to think that there were only bands like My Chemical Romance in this genre until I discovered Midwest Emo. MCR was a bit too emo for my taste maybe even childish but Midwest emo captures a form of mature sadness with some of the best music I have ever heard. It helped me make sense of my sadness at a stressful and devastating part of my life. Songs like American Football - Never Meant, Empire! Empire! - Everything Is Connected And Everything Matters, The Hotelier - Dendron and Marietta - God Bless Eric Taylor gave me profound and inspiring views on life and don't get me started on the albums where these songs came from. I was quite surprised that music was this good in a genre that was unknown to a lot of people but that surprise gave me the push I needed for acceptance.
Emo never really went away. Bands like Jimmy eat world, senses fail, thrice and alkaline trio were putting albums out and representing the culture constantly. I recently saw thrice with coheed and cambria (arguably both more prog than emo Co&Ca especially) and the scene is definitely not completely dead it just became harder to pinpoint exactly what it is.
Coheed is my favorite band 🙈.
@@blastedpotato fellow child of the fence I see
Yeah I always saw C&C as more of post-hardcore than emo, even if they are basically sister genres. I will say, I liked their music a lot more before I learned about the "lore" because hoo boy it's real bad
Don’t forget that Paramore, blink 182, and fall out boy released new albums this year.
@@eko9554 Paramore, blink 182, and fall out boy are pop not emo
As a former EMO, I remember the style and the culture being about how misundrstood we were by our parents and everyone else in society. Highly emotional teenagers, that only got to expess themselves on the internet. Our parents weren't emotional, they came from a hard generation that passed through crisis and they were tough, often dismissing the emotions of teenagers as trivial. Most of the self-harm thing was also in the same context of trying to make your parents and people understand just in how much pain you were, since emotional pain didn't mean much to them. For our parents depression wasn't a thing and anxiety was just something you toughten up and get over.
Hence this cuture gave the teenagers an outlet to the rage they felt.
And on the parent's side, they were worried about the wrong thing which was the emo kid making them look bad in front of their friends and neighbours.
Just mentall illness disguised as a sub-culture. Don't pretend you're something you're not. You were just a feminine dude.
Cringe
🙂
Bro was former emo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Bryxz2 🦗🦗🦗
I was an emo throughout my childhood, And now I'm Animator in Pixar but never change my music, still listening MCR , The Used, BFMV , :)
It's realising that I may have been an emo without realising it. I didn't really dress like one, African household and all, but I had a certain taste when it came to rock music, and I felt like I couldn't fit with anyone and anything (I've also recently discovered that I might be on the spectrum, still waiting to get diagnosed), and I was into some interesting stuff.
I think i was lucky to have a dad who accepted my emo phase i was going through. I had just moved into his life after leaving my abusive mother and i was struggling a lot with body dysmorphia(i am a woman and have learned to love myself after years of therapy and medication), self hatred/disgust, suicide and so forth. He accepted i needed an outlet so he would buy me the clothes, get me the CDS and offer to take me to concerts (we never went because my social anxiety caused fainting or serious headachs)
I think out of lets say 50 emos i knew around me, only ten were part of the lgbt community and the rest were straight as fuck but needed a place to belong. Its a shame that Emos as a whole is still seen as culty or anything bad when it was just a home from home, a literal safe place for teens who needed it more then ever.
Boo-hoo. Make better music.
@@ignatiusjackson235 boo-hoo find a heart ya goblin.
@@ignatiusjackson235 You sound cringe as hell.
What does emo have to do with lgbt?
@@hughjanus1135 I think is blatant the connection considering how the 'effeminate' aesthetic of emo was not very accepted by the 'normies' and helped the 2010's wave of lgbt related awareness and more widespread acceptance of divergent sexualities.
Have a feeling emoism will have a massive comeback in the near future, at the least unexpected time and place.
So now?
@@sk8rboyzhmu mumble rap
Milleneals social outcast = emo, Gen Z outcast = kpop, Zoomers = ???
History will always repeat itself
It sure will, I have a feeling this time if emo comes back it will massive than any other fandom before.
I had an emo friend in school. He came late to the PE class in baggy hoodie, baggy jeans and full makeup. Without any warm up, he casually ran the quickest 60m sprint of the class full of hockey and football players, while wearing the baggy jeans, chains and Converses. Then he went behind the building for a smoke and never attended the rest of the PE classes.
I've watched two of your videos and have to say they are very well researched. I found it gratifying that you actually bothered to talk about the history of emo. I still listen to some of that early period today, though as a highschooler in the mid to late 90's I lean toward that period. I absolutely hated in the early aughts what in my mind was the popularization, pop-ification (to coin a word), and mainstream success of basically a whinier pop-punk. To me that was emphatically NOT emo. Although I did like MCR's first album, and Thursday's first two.
Anyway, I could easily type more about this topic, but I'll leave it at that. Thanks for a great video and for informing me on something I basically cut myself off from in 2002.
I was a goth back in the 80s but back then it was called alternative,best time of my life,still got the eye make up but toned down now,and still listen to all the 2000s emo music,just love it,im 58 now and it will always have a special place in my heart
Emo grandma! Holy shit! =))))))
@@dafindack7166 e-ma
@@dafindack7166 No silly the name is G O T H and they were dark since the late seventies, you need to look at Bela Lugosi is Dead and find out who you are imitating.
@@dr.strangelove5708 Literally the first comment to realize that emo isn't goth
Were you listening to Depeche Mode in the 80s. They're look in the 80s would probably be considered goth in the 90s and emo in the 2000s.
A lot of the people I knew back in the day that were emo were some of the coolest people I've ever met. They don't compensate like most people, they march to the beat of their own drums and that's admirable.
One of the news in the start of the video is about EMOs in Iraq, I lived through it as an kind of an EMO xDD it was not fun but yet fulfilling!
I always found it disturbing how dehumanized a group largely made up of depressed teenagers were for a long time. Out of all the groups to hate, the one full of queer kids, kids on the spectrum, abused children; who all harm themselves and cope through the emo aesthetic and music.
Instead of wanting to help, people stereotyped emos and marked them. The Emos who weren't at risk were just trying to live their lives, which was made a lot harder by society.
A lot of the reasons Emos were hated were incredibly gross ones: "they're gay"; "they're mentally ill (said with the implication that it makes them a bad person if they are and that you should hate the mentally ill)"; "they crossdress"; "they're sensitive and overly emotional (they were young adults)"; "they're weak people (CHILDREN. Also Skinny people. Also there's nothing wrong with physically weaker people)"; etc.
I can't stand when people say times were better in the 2010's. I'm still dealing with that time period's toxicity in therapy
I grew up while the whole emo scheme was a big thing. Now I'm looking back at it as the person I am today, and it's kinda funny except for the part where entire GOVERNMENTS hunted them down and killed them.
Emo is not being a sad femboy/tomboy in a maid costume, it's understanding what being sad is like and understanding depression, anxiety, etc. This has been represented by people that identify as emo and emo music. The holy trifecta of emo music did a really good job at representing being emo.
Governments hunted down goths basically?? That sucks!
@@ChristianGibbons777 Yes. Not only in Iraq and Russia, but also some parts in Asia during the late 2000's, primarily by religious groups. In Indonesia, it was once not allowed to portray any emo character in their local films or TV shows because of their connotation to Satanism and being an emo is considered Haram by their local Islamic authority.
In the Philippines, where I grew up, I remember Catholic, Protestant and basically other Christian groups held rallies against the rising trend of emo in Philippine media and culture, because the aesthetic was seen as Satanist and the embodiment of the Antichrist. Christianity in the Philippines during the 90's and the 2000's was kinda feared because of the amount of media influence Evangelist Christians had at that time, just like the type of Evangelists you see in Americans, most notably in the Southern US, thus it wasn't a good time to be open about your sexuality or mental health at that time, unlike now.
Talking about satan and death In a highly relious countries isnt the smartest idea.
Based governments. They had the right idea then.
@@T.Hebertwtf
its 2022 and im a 13 year old emo, yes the fringe, the gloves, the jeans, everything. im reliving the 2000's emo right now and i honestly feel really bad to the ones back then from all the hate, i mean yes i also do get hate from my school i get bullied alot but thats just being emo, being an outcast. i love the music and the style, i love the emo culture in general.
Im a 23 years old scene kid. Proud of ya.
No
@@maxmizer002 wow what a statement
Go goth. It's way more fun.
Well, good luck m8.
My advice for dealing with bullies is to beat them up.
omg I tried emo for like 5 months when I was 14, for us it had nothing to do with identifying as "depressed" or "emotional" we just dressed in the style. It was purely a style thing.
nah man now im emo bu i used to be preppy. I was more suicidal back then than I am now. In fact, im reallly happy now and feel amazing.
Me and my fellow millennials nostalgia tripping HARD right now!
also, idc how many likes, followers, and viral ability people easily get these days, nothing was more lit than Myspace 😍
I'm an emo rapper (self titled) haha if you're open minded, come check :)
Wilford Brimley you’re not millennial you’re like an actual Boomer from the actual Baby Boomer days. Actually I think you’re even older than that. You were born in like the 40’s or around there and you say “diabetes” weird. Stop it! Its not diabetus
Going viral on Myspace required EFFORT, too.
Actually I am here to educate Gen Z that Goths are not Emo.
Yeah, I still think that MySpace and its customisability is far superior to other platforms. But tbh the only Social media platforms I actually use now are CZcams and Discord.
I also remember MSN and using Ventrilo to communicate while playing online games.
Wasn't emo but the early 2000s were awesome. Was a great time for subcultures.
But emo was different back in the early 2000s. It was just about the music. I wasn't emo but I hang out when the older kids that liked emo bands like At the drive-in and Texas is the reason. The black color dominant, lipstick and eyeliner, generfluid shit took over during 2004.
@@azrael7891 I wasn't, but was more closely associated with skater punk. Colored hair, baggy blue jeans, hat on backwards, baggy biohazard hoody, kotton mouth kings on the CD player.
I just stayed behind the bleachers in my grungy concert tshirt and kept to my white zombie and godsmack and whatnot. The emo scene was such a self-absorbed culture that was fucking awful to watch, and yet some of the people in it weren't actually that bad when you got to talk to them. They were pretty normal, just way too goddamn into themselves. Wonder what those dumb kids are doing now.
The Emo culture burst onto the scene primarily because the world had just gone from being hopeful and joyful for the start of a new millennium. What happened next ?
The war on terror after 9/11 but even before that there was the USS Cole and bombs on beaches and in nightclubs in Africa and the Middle East.
War is nothing new but you have to remember this was a total and utter shock to most Americans.
It was unthinkable before then and this along with the constant depressing media and loss of hope left the young feeling robbed of innocence. Youth needed an outlet to unload all these negative emotions… hence Emo !
A little oversimplified perhaps but it definitely makes a lot of sense , at least to me .
Many of the Emo/Goth are super friendly and showed me lots of empathy although I dressed punk back then.
I feel that having parents that wants to make their kids stay away from what the they love/relate to could be one of the sources of the depression that made kids want to listen to depressing music in the first place.
where is their empathy.
they should've tried to understand, try to understand or kids are gonna pretend everything is ok until one day they snap.
Some of it was melodrama and typical teenage angst, but looking back as a 30 year old adult that knows the reality of my situation now, I really did have a fucked up home life and I really did have some pretty heavy mental health issues because of it. So much of the hate back in the day was from people with cookie cutter perfect lives that couldn't possibly understand what growing up in an abusive household was like and never would. Being shit on was kind of expected and predictable honestly. It would have been weirder if society accepted emo culture with open arms because then it would have proved everything emo's were saying was wrong and wasn't true. Instead, society pretty much went out of their way to prove them right.
this is so important
Everybody can’t have mental health issues and be in an abusive household. Some of y’all are lying.
I definitely considered myself a scene kid but if anyone said I was Emo I was adamant I was not. I wasn't really into MCR or Mayday Parade type of music at the time. I was mostly obsessed with Deathcore and stuff like Bring Me The Horizon. But you def called it I got swept into the Skrillex dubstep craze and now I'd consider myself a raver more than anything. It's really cool to see the emo resurgence especially in the rave scene with artists like HVDES and Sullivan King.
Btw MCR isn't emo
I love MCR but hate emos, I'm embarrassed by the emos in the fanbase
death by rave how i wanna go
Straight emo kids getting to experience homophobia from being emo is iconic!
I literally work at a thrift store right now and I see at least one emo or scene girl (hair and outfit and everything) each shift. It’s great, also the store mainly plays 2000’s and early 2010’s music
@@aofmualalso I’m 19 (almost 20 though) and I’m sorta emo, I love wearing emo fashion and I love the music
Another amusing, well thought out video! I used to just watch the parkour vids but equally enjoy these other ones. I am particularly interested in 90's/00's nostalgia so this was very enjoyable/relatable (especially as I grew up in England)..
Love the brutal honesty about why you are promoting the sponsor!
Any updates on your parkour career?
You did it again.. Capturing a defining chapter of my youth, and portraying it so well! You are a CZcams giant indeed, very much underrated! I think you're right about the cultural element of being an outsider, and that the healthier bunch of us did listen to pop-punk as well. I did suffer a lot, and I think that emo music was a great way to express that, but I also listened to Blink-182 etc. It becomes unhealthy once you begin to identify with the suffering, structuring your whole world view around it. But if it goes that far, one needs to worry about the parents more than the kids.
I'm an emo rapper (self titled) haha if you're open minded, come check :)
beautifully expressed. thank you
Man, You can really hear how debut album MCR got inspired by Rites of Spring, incredible.
My myspace song was Note to self by FFTL, still a banger. I do miss being able to customize a page, the fact we all had to learn some HTML codes, soaked it up like a sponge. ♥
really nice vid. thanks
When ur trying to research the Emu war and mistype and find a goldmine of content!
Quality vid Jimmy. Looking dapper af these days too Sir!
Emus vs Emos now that's one war I'd pay to see
@@zwenkwiel816 Emu's would annihilate the Emo's imo 🤣
@@acehighjohn1759 lol yeah, Emos might even like getting cut up by the emus XR
When Gerard way just said that "nothing is worth hurting yourself over. Nothing is worth k**in yourself over." I just started balling. I really needed that. Thank you Gerard.
u started balling 😂🏀
@@curlyfries2956 stop posting about baller
@@curlyfries2956 lol
Nothing better than balling🏀🗑
Bro.. same
Reminds me how my surroundings reacted when I embraced Grunge and Punk music as a teen in the 90s. Emos were an easy target sadly.
I was in middle school in 2012 to 2015. I saw the last of the mainstream emo style in my middle and high school. I loved the style and I still love seeing it at music festivals. It is just so interesting! I also love the music. I never truly was an emo, but Get Scared will always be my introduction into rock music!
One of the few videos I watched from the start to finish, without skipping. Makes me realise there was something in me that needed closure in this. I wasn't an emo, mu girlfriend was but I listened to this kind of music. A very apt and complete sum up of the entire scene. :)
"Was"? So she...
Was as in isn't emo anymore . She is pretty much alive atleast the last time I checked
@@shaheedjoad3725 oooh my bad...well, glad she moved on safely from that depressive state...
It wasnt about being sad, it was about being able to accept sadness and depression and express it through not really caring, thus all the weird fashion. Thats what being scene kinda was I guess lmao. It also was just cool to do at the time.
very cringe emo kids glorify suicide that shi is not good for anyone
It was about using sadness and depression as a crutch.
So basically they used depression ( a very serious and deadly condition ) and exploited it to get what they needed. Sounds like Low life shit to me.
@@Yoobster accepting sadness equal to glorify suicide xD another bad take in the internet, My name's jonathan frakes.
@@GreenSabre187 no it isn't sadness and wanting to die are completely different things
Love the fact that my mum never questioned my emo phase, she alwasy supported it as she was a skinhead when she was younger and understood that stuff like this is a part of growing up. Emo for life 👌
just imagine this: you are constantly being bullied and dragged into the darkest corner of society. then, you eventually find a subculture that is welcoming and full of kind people who went through the same stuff, only to be bullied and discriminated against AGAIN. I fucking hate society
Man I love the emo look, not on myself but as an attraction. I wouldn't call it a fetish or anything but something about it has always appealed to me.
Not a big fan of it on dudes, though I won't judge them for it. But it's actually very appealing to me on women.
I like it on both guys and girls, think it's hot as hell but I never could carry it myself, too much of an average boring dude.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown bro same, i just dont want a gf thats not mentally stable and wants to kill herslef all the time tho
@@curlyfries2956 Don't worry about that, there are some crazy ones, but most of the women who I've dated who were like that actually weren't that bad, especially not compared to some of the actual crazy women I've been with lol.
Just stay away from the ones who are clearly putting on an act, those are really annoying and cringe to deal with.
How in the absolute fuck
My issue with some emos when I was a teen was how hard they tried. They’d make a point saying they didn’t want to be like everyone else. It’s funny bc that’s exactly what they were doing. It took a lot of time and effort to be emo. I did like Panic at the Disco and can remember Pete Wentz being huge. Where is he at now?
Pete Wentz is still making bank in Fall Out Boy
They also spend a lot of money into his outfits haha. Converse sucked them dry.
Great video man
I remember the time I first entered in college. There was this girl in my class, Agnia, who first became my friend right from the first day. When I asked her: "Why did you want to be my friend, Agnia? Why did you start talking to me?", she responded with: "Because when I first saw you, You had this dark haircut and clothes and look... and I think You looked like what it's called... "emo"? I thought You are cool and wanted to talk to You :)" We were friends for a week, before everything came to an end. Things took a bad turn between us because of my egoistic attitude and actions. I hurt her and didn't have the courage to apologize verbally. I sent her messages saying sorry, but we never talked afterwards. She would ignore my existence and become friends with someone else. That other girl was rude to me. And the rest of the classmates, followed their example shortly after. I became an outcast. Disliked by class and with bad reputation. I wasn't bullied. I was simply disliked. None of them would talk to me, none would look in my way. They only ever noticed me when I smiled or laughed. Or, when they needed homework copy. I was mostly ignored by my classmates. The only friends I ever had in college, were some girls from my choir sessions.
You’re in a completely different country and I think you’re younger than me but you find a way to bring back everything from my childhood. Your video on Dave Mira and now this about emo kids. I love it man! We didn’t have Chavs in America tho..well we had them, they just weren’t known as chavs. Keep up the awesome work man! You’ve even managed to change my views on parkour because of the way you explain the sport.
Nah u had chads
chavs in america are just the suburban hw!te gangster wannabes. the scumbag steves of IRL. if you were poor in america you were probably raised way too harshly to be considered a chav so i wouldnt count them. seemed like the chav thing was part of the wave of misbehavior being seen as cool and trendy that happened in a lot of eurocentric countries during those years
I've always wondered what the American equivalent of a chav is tbh
@@theopinionatedcharles2795 where i grew up they were the preps or preppies
Depression can happen to anybody, regardless of whatever group they belong to, equating depression to emo is just very silly.
“To be emo was to be sad” is incorrect. You can be happy and still be emo
jimmy! love the parkour videos and "introspectives" or what you would consider these but you going back through cultural phenomenon like this rollerskaing and the street magic of david blaine are amazing and i enjoy them alot. im just wondering are you looking back and researching these now, or were you envoloped in the culture at a younger age and are looking back on it?
A bit of both, I was around for a lot of this stuff but research after the fact is interesting as society looks back on what these movements were
Never seen a single CZcamsr take the issue of suicide so seriously and genuinely. Well done!
The latter half of the video is scary to see in real time, because it’s amazing how once the media have decided something or someone is the enemy how then the following news articles will reframe the narrative of that subject or individual in the new way that suits them.
I loved MySpace and AIM. Instant messenger is how I learned to type.
I wasn't fashionable enough to be emo, I was just a regular depressed teenager.
Same. I had the medium-long hair, because that just grows on your head naturally. But I didn't go out and buy special emo clothes.
I had an abusive foster parent who wouldn’t have let me dress emo if I wanted to.
I first heard of emos back in my high school. Mostly critical voices about them being whiny, angsty teenagers who pretend to be depressed to seek people's attention (while teens actually dealing with depression getting neglected because "this is just a phase"). I also didn't exacly liked making depression a fashion statement. I personally didn't belong to any subculture, I listened to both heavy metal and electronic music while steering away from hip-hop since it was favorite music/style of school bullies.
Now, from the time perspective, I don't think emo were that bad. Angsty teenagers happens all the time. They are definently less harmful to society than football hooligans or gopniks. I would rather walk near person with long black hair and eyeliner than a dude trying to beat me up just because I'm there while using "fuck" as a comma.
And blaming emo culture for teen suicide, well... It looks more like cheap sensation than anything. It's easier to blame the fashion style than to actually pay attention to your kid's well being and help them when they need it. Because somehow it's never because of school bullying or parental neglect or anything like that. It's always something else - games, music, comic books... Only to never admit you failed as a parent.
And killing people for belonging to any subculture is dumb, to say the least.
Right on the head
Mental health is critical for everybody, and that's just something we need to talk about more as a society
Conservatives don't want to deal with it believe the whole mental health profession is a crock of hippy BS that they would never need, mostly as their 'beliefs' it can be "cured" by people either bullying/brutalizing you "back to reality", more "good guys with guns" or a quick jog around the block.
Yeah, emo just makes people cry like bitches about it and wallow in their sorrow. We need to publicise it in a way that isn’t so cult like and pathetic.
Except a lot of emo music is about being yourself and loving yourself despite what other people think about you. It's generally about being true to yourself rather than being what other people want you to be.
Be you and fuck everyone else who sais otherwise.
Just because it's dark and not bubblegum pop doesn't mean it's dangerous. It just attracts other dark minded people. We're already out there, this just gives us an outlet to feel like we belong. To share our stories and emotions with like minded people who understand us; rather than people who insist on changing us.
Emo music isn't changing people and making them dark. It's just allowing those of us who are to express ourselves.