Sisay Superfriends cEDH deck tech
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2019
- This deck began from playtesting various cards and get a feeling of them. Suddenly I accidentally found a one-card combo that could assemble a 3 card planeswalker combo. I have to say its kinda fast. Or it's not a fast combo deck. But a solid functional speed. This is still the typical Sisay shinanigans with instant speed interactions from activations. In general a good cEDH deck.
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Interesting!
It's really cool to see that people will actually look at "thought to be bad" cards and try to actually build with them instead of just saying that they're bad.
Here's another thought related to Aminatou...
1. Cast Wishclaw Talisman, search for Aminatou.
2. Blink Talisman from opponent's control with Aminatou to return Talisman back to your control activate to search for Felidar Guardian.
3. Cast Felidar Guardian, blink Aminatou, blink Talisman again.
4. Use Talisman to search for Oath of Teferi.
5. Activate Aminatou, blink Felidar. Felidar blinks Aminatou.
Now you have an extra activation for Aminatou to blink lands for infinite mana or get talisman again to get another planeswalker for a wincon.
17 mana in total if i counted correctly but hey, it is a one card combo.
17 mana is. .... a lot. Not just a lot but .... A LOT!
Pretty sure Felidar is banned
@@jojamajo1 yes it is banned in standard, modern, and pioneer.
@@ayu5tails Not in commander? Looks like its going back in my Brago deck....
Oh, how I wish Gaia's Cradle was available poor peasants such as myself.
Most cEDH players approve of proxis.
Not too bad. MOderately played is like $264.88 plus tax lol...
I've been playing this deck since Sisay was released, glad to see you're covering it!
Wow... this deck... that's a work of art right there.
Amazing deck, as always! But the best part of the video for me was the Barney Stinson cameos XD
I'm also looking forward to the Vorthos version you mentioned quite some videos ago! Commander 2019 even brought new cards for some other Weatherlight Saga characters like Tahngarth, Gerrard, Greven, and Volrath. The flavor for that text is something that definitely gonna be legen- wait for it! DARY!
I really liked that Tv seris when they made it.
@@cedhtv So far it's my favorite TV series!
Man thxs for showing us this cedh deck, love Sisay since invasion and this New version is super versatile, my Sisay deck has the godo combo with helm of the host and Kaldra :D
damn that triple sleeving, on a new level
Triple that is nothing. Here is quade sleeved: czcams.com/video/gZZoO1eWD4w/video.html
I fell in love all over again. I have the other sisay combo deck and now im going to have this baby 😍
Sisay is my all time favorite commander and I have multiple decks of her as well. Sisay legends with najella is really good too xD
Thanks for a video on my favorite commander!
Aaaaw AND you are even extending you work on Sisay? Wow. If you remember, you know I was even very happy with what you did on this topic so far. I'm very excited about that upcoming video.
I loved it, i'm building this deck, thx a lot!
Your welcome.
OMG!!!! These are synergies I was already using in my Sisay Superfriends (and not yet competativ) deck... soooo much love for this Aminatou stuff. cEDH Sideboard incoming!!! ❤
Hehe glad you liked it. Is your current Sisay a competitive deck or a casual one? I have to say Sisay easaly get quite high in power level. I can't really play my casual version of Sisay vs Casual decks.
Well... I think mine is very casual, but it is like you said: To choose the right cards with Sisay makes the diffrence. I just got to play it three or four tines and I guess I still have to learn what to tutor for.
And I still have to improve the Manafixing with signets (as you adviced) and do some more tuning... I wish I had more time to playtest it.
I use orochi leafcaller to Mana fix my Niv Mizzet Reborn deck. I love that card. If I owned a gaea’s cradle I would definitely be running it in there for it already too. The combo is so good.
Another primer? For another 3 mana five color deck?
I can’t wait 😊
Yea primer soon please! Can’t wait, absolutely love Sisay!
Same!
I thought this was the primer :(
Still, great video! I wanted almost the same build, but you just make it real, thanks Mons
that is still work in progress. I don't like long videos so if it is going to be long I want all the content to be worth listening too.
Can confirm this is beautiful. Have played something exactly like this in casual without cradle before and it wins hard and has many flex slots.
that is because it is NOT casual... and if it is then you have zero point of reference because cedh is a completely different animal. I do not think this crap will work in cedh at all. you need8 mana alone to cast and activate sisay and that is even assuming that shit resolves in the first place. and you need to be lucky af to have things like dockside in your opening hand in the first place
While building the deck, I also found the Bolas+Aminatou+Oath of Teferi combo. I'll definitely pick some inspiration from this build! I like Alesha in here, didn't think of that one.
I have built a super dorks Sisay before, it was fun and strong, but this was a complete eye opener :D very cool stuff
I am glad I inspired you in someway.
I was trying to build a sisay superfriends thanks a lot!
I hope this helps.
I love this combo, bc it feels like a birthing pod chain, but with walkers! XD
That's very clever
I play orochi and never thought about gaea combo
I really liked this Superfriends build but your Sisay Overrrun is a blast!
The overrun build was what lead me into this. In the end I only needed to add in 3 cards to compleat it. The snake - Derevi and oath of teferi. And I have to say its still kinda the same deck. Now we just have a finisher.
@@cedhtv Very Nice! Thank you very much for such quality content.
Omg this is so awesome. Thanks a Lot.
Your welcome.
i built my own version of cedh sisay, its primary wincon is infinite sacs of god enternal rhonas to bontu, utilizing a intruder alarm package.. tool box until victory.. if anyone is curious about my list hit me up
Feel free to post it here. I don't have a problem with that and we should spread ideas.
@@cedhtv here you go, im still working on the primer tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sisay-combo-control/
this is art!
These 2 have a creepy relationship
Great! now gameplay plese
There isen't going to be any gameplays in a while. A lot of moving arround and soon I will travel to Japan. The scedual is kinda full. I am trying to find opponents on Xmage to make a video on.
@@cedhtv I have fun and really enjoy XMage but idk if its because I am in Canada or because not a lot of people use the US servers but its hard finding games :/
I’d love to see a cEDH deck of Golos in a stax deck
I have an idea of kinda playing a really focused lands build with the victory being something along the lines of mazes end, or just casting the deck with golos but not sure how to really slap it together
See I was thinking stax build cause that 7 mana ability gets by a lot of taxing issues and there are a lot of big mana stax spells. This also has the advantage of the stax slowing the game down so you have an opportunity of building up the mana so you can activate the ability multiple times. I’d really like some help building this if you have any suggestions
I really like hadanas climb because it gives you 2 colours as well as a counter on combat to setup
love the combo so many possibilities for sisay she's the best commander ever made much more hype added for the primer video
can't wait for see how wotc is going to keep her not too strong with the ad of future legendary cards or is going to become the best deck ever let's wait and see :D
ALL PRAY SISAY !
(i realy want to make the gerrard/saffi thing be something but i think i'll need a legendary blasting station for it to be realy good i mean fetching a goblin bombardment with a zur isn't a good idea)
you don't play venser shaper savant ? it helped me sometimes to have a "counterspell" on sisay's ability
I haven't tested him. I guess he could work. I might give him a test.
@@cedhtv also since you already play derevi can't najeela get in list for a plan B ? maybe you can't free a spot for her since she's not doing many things beside this
Hey I run a similar combo to this! Never did the cradle and snake setup tho!
Build similar , but with Growing Rites of Itlimoc, Helm of the Host, Godo, and Najeela, the Blade-Blossom.
Saheeli, Sublime Artificer produces a lot of tokens fairly quickly and gets you a copy of a mana producer to win immediately often enough.
Both Selvala produce a fair deal of mana and card draw.
And with all the planeswalker cant go wrong with Atraxa, Praetors' Voice.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty provides hexproof.
A 2nd planeswalker of choice is Spark Double.
So much janky cards to play.
You can add prismite and dramatic scepter as a back to cradle and orochi
I run Sisay superfriends using flash hulk to get JaceAoT or TamiyoFR then deepglow to ultimate.
I also have Aminatou, Felidar, OathTeferi combo instead of NicolB. Felidar also works with Saheeli incase you get lazy and you can Neoform Sisay to Felidar.
you don't need oroshi and cradle.. you can have bloom tender and just kiora, behemoth beckoner - no need for derevi neither. Kiora also fits the deck perfectly
Your first video on sisay inspired me to build the deck myself. What do you think about aurelia the warleader as an infinite combat step outlet with brago ? It only takes one slot. For me, this combo has been working out pretty well
I think you meantioned it before. I kinda like it. I alredy like brago so.
@@cedhtv Oh, I wasn't aware that I already asked this question. Your reply will help me remember in the future :)
BTW, I am also intruiged by the combo you showcased in this video. Keep up the good work.
How budget can you go with Sisay? I have a copy of her myself and she is one of the cedh commanders that has my interest alongside kess and Yisan. My budget fluctuates because my income isn't the best but I wanna work to make more decks and such.
Hmm I think it should be possible to put something half decent together. I will think about it.
If you have aminatu, lavinia and sisay, dont you only have 3 collours among youre legendary permanents? So sisay would be a 5/5 ? And thats Not enough for bolas? So wouldnt you need a green or red legendary for the Combo?
I guess you can search for Derevi for another untap on Gaea's Cradle, then search Bolas.
Markus Riegler yeah, you need something red or green. Or a +1/+x that you can play early (like “honor of the pure” or similar)
Correct. With Darevi and Aminatuo only Sisay will be a 6/6. Only lacking red.
The words other legendaries you control make aminatu enough to buff sisay to a 5/5
Do you think The locust god could be a viable semi-competitive commander? If so can you make a deck tech. The locust god is my primary deck and it wins a lot
This deck is LEGEN....Wait for it.................... DARY
Yeap!
you might look at growing rights of itlomock for what functions as an aditanal gias cradle at a fraction of the cost
That card is definatly a budget alternativ.
Oh man I wish I had more money to be a better cEDH player. My only competitive deck is Momir Vig, Sonic Visionary go infinite deck. Infimite Mana, Infinite Tokens, Infinite bounce every board, and imfimite damage. I can usually win by turn 6. Which is fun but could be faster if I had better ramp.
You should proxy.
@@cedhtv Okay, just my personal playgroup doesn't mind proxies but I play at an LGS a lot of times at fnm. I don't know if they'd allow proxies or not.
I like this kind of Super Friends deck that isn't focused on racing to get to the walker's ultimate. Would Djeru, with Eyes Open be worth playing in this deck?
No he isen't needed. I would rather put the walker into play then in my hand. He could be good if you wanted to cast a super expensiv walker. If they make lets say a 10 cost walker. You need oath of nissa. Now you can cast that walker for whatever mana. And gaeas cradle. Find this legendary creature then put that walker into your hand. Then cast it for mana. But in generall this is still most likly bad. I don't think we need Djeru, with Eyes Open.
@@cedhtv what about Djeru's ability to protect planeswalkers from chip damage?
@@crovax1375 I don't think we need that either. Sisay is a big girl. And she has more blocker friends she can find. In general, that should do it.
Is there any potential for putting Kenrith in the deck as a haste outlet/wincon?
Having 5 CMC makes it difficult to know if he would be worth it. Just wondering if you've gone down this train of thought.
I would rather have Thrasios in it. If you wanna have hast I think we have better options.
Cool deck :^) i'm not sure if anybody has said this yet (i can't find any comments towards the top) but I think you would also need to have one more colors after having Aminatou to get Nicol Bolas, right? Using the setup with lavinia you have at 6:49 it would go like:
Lavinia --> Sisay = 4/4
Aminatou --> Sisay = 5/5 (as Aminatou only adds black)
So you would need one more color to be able to get Nicol Bolas, since his CMC is 5. Is this correct?
(Having Oath of Nissa out seems easy enough anyway, so the combo is still very cool)
Someone has meantion it and its ussally not a problem. For example. if you grab Derevi you get 3 colors. If you then grab Aminatou you get black. Sosai is now a 6/6 and you can now find nicol bolas.
Please do another viedo about Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Might happen when I have something to say about the deck againe.
hey! what about lands like Cascading Cataracts, is the colorless mana too hard to fit in ?
I don't like that 6 mana becomes 5 mana. It feel like I am buying down myself. I guess that is my personal opinion but I never felt like I need it.
@@cedhtv ok, maybe in a more budget version then, cause filter land and thing like that are so expensive >< i hate wizzard for keeping mana base so expensive =@
you actually cannot search for gaea's cradle, because lands do not have a mana cost (it is not a converted mana cost of 0); therefore, it can never have a converted mana cost less than Sisay's power.
You can search for lands with sisay I promise you. There CMC is below Sisay power. That is all she needs.
To be honest ... I was a bit disappointed this wasn't more to do with the previous iteration of Sisay with Bolas’s Citadel and Aetherflux Reservoir storm combo. Is that old news now?
No this is just a different deck. ame commander but a different deck and combo.
@@cedhtv That's good to hear ... so ... loaded question ... is the primer for the superfriends iteration or the 'original' deck?
Aminatou isn't guaranteed to make Sisay strong enough for bolas. Aminatou will turn Sisay into a 5/5 and the cmc needs to be lower than her power.
I once asked about Oath of Teferi in one of your older Sisay builds, here it finally is :P
You can find Derevi after aminatou and before. That will give you a secondary untap. But also all colors beside red unless you alredy have it. Now Sisay is a 6/6 and we can find bolas.
Instead of Boros Signet, would you consider Skyshroud Elves?
hmmm. good question. I think both are fine. I like the part where I can tap the artifact the same turn I cast it.
@@cedhtv
The mana filtration doesn't need to tap.
Hypothetically, if Orochi Leafcaller is exiled...
It's not as strong as Orochi Leafcaller, but is a sort of failsafe.
I'm thinking about a budget gameplan for us, poor mortals, who can't afford to get cradle.
What would you think about Naru Meha + ghostly flicker to get infinite mana with any 5 colors land or one basic of each color or one forest and orochi leafcaller ? You can also use the signets to filter the infinite mono color mana into multicolored mana, you can also flick the signets to use them again.
You just need to have the right lands in play to go infinie with 2 cards. Both Naru Meha and Ghostly flicker can be tutored with the right cards. (mystical tutor / eladamri's call for example).
The only problem i see is it's a 7 manas combo that requires 3 blue to work and it can sometimes be quite hard to achieve. But you could win without using Sisay at all if she's destroyed too many times for exemple.
- Naru Meha + ghostly flicker + Oath of Kaya wins the game.
- Use the combo with Oath of Nissa to get all your walkers from your deck.
- Use it with Oath of Chandra / Liliana to clear the entire board.
The best part is you only really need to find Ghostly flicker with a tutor and have a way to activate Sisay. She needs 4 attack so it's the same condition as if you want to tutor aminatou. You could cast your instant and in response, fetch Naru Meha to copy ghostly flicker and start the infinite loop. Then activate Sisay again with the mana, etc, etc.. It means you can potentially win during one of your opponent's turn with Oath of Kaya for example.
It seems it can be an even better toolbox.
Here is my take on the idea, the mana base is really budget but just take fetches + shocklands if you have them: deckstats.net/decks/138066/1451368--semi-budget-sisay-cedh-planes
Do you think Esika would be able a better superfriends commander? While she doesn't tutor for stuff into play, she does get ridiculous value with providing us free Planeswalkers every one of our upkeeps. What's more, is that she enters as an enchantment, one of the hardest card types to remove in magic and not one that everyone thinks will be a problem (aside from food chain.)
But we would definitely need to change up the tactics. Instead of a combo deck, I think we could get away with having a stax deck and break parody with the Prismatic Bridge. Since we are running a lot of walkers, Oath of Teferi, Ajani, and Gideon will help us alot. It just so happens that we are running Vorinclex/Doubling Season and Jace Cunning Castaway, Aminatou and Bolas, and a ton of value walkers that can provide answers or boost our game further.
I've already built and tested this deck against Darretti Stax, Derevi Stax, and Kalia combo and I got consistent wins.
just wondering, deepglow skate and doubling season shouldn't work on sisay.
sisay's mechanic appears to work similiar to massacre girl's mechanic,
they effectively directly change the power/toughness instead of adding counters, am i right?
What do you mean? If you put +1/+1 counters on sisay her power increases?
@@cedhtv yea my brain wasn't at full speed, i thought you mean to have those cards work directly with sisays ability. nevermind.
still trying to wrap my head around mtg -.-
If you only need 2 planeswalkers is it possible to not have superfriends?
Well its 6-9 planeswalkers in this deck so it isen't really a superfriends deck. But we have oath for planeswalkers so there is a lot of walker synergy. In the end you right it culd be named something different. But I think superfriends is the most fitting.
@@cedhtv yea, I was just a little confused when I saw the decklist
How do you infinitely mill with Ashiok? Wouldn't she die after 5 uses?
You flicker her. And she comes back with full loyalty.
@@cedhtv Right. God that's insanely powerful lol. Thank you for clarifying.
I don’t have cradle what is a budge alternative
Growing rites of itlamoc. Its quite bad in comparison. It will take one more turn to get going. But it will do the job.
cEDH TV thanks wanted to tune down the deck and basically put my atraxa deck into it
When you said about aminatu that she’s a little black girl from a horror movie it sounded a little n.p.
I get the impression that English is not Mons' first language.
Matthew Osborne I guess you’re right. (English isn’t my first language either).
Actually, you don't even need Bolas for that combo.
Aminatou and Oath of Teferi already goes infinite together, netting you infinite mana in the process (and infinite etb triggers of whatever).
What you do is, you activate Aminatous ability once, flickering something. Then, with the second activation (granted by Oath of Teferi), you flicker Oath of Teferi, which comes in and flickers something, targetting Aminatou. Then, Aminatou comes in as a new permanent and can be activated twice again.
Since Aminatou's ability can target lands, this already nets you infinite mana. You don't actually need Bolas on the battlefield for it to work, you can technically tutor for him after pulling off the combo.
this does not work as oath of teferi exiles untill end of turn
Correct and Aminatuo cant exile herself.
I don't see anything cedh here
This deck has been able to win a lot of games for me soo fare. The combo is decently fast and consistent of several 1 card combos. This version of the deck is actually dead I I have currently replaced the planeswalkers with emiel the blessed that is doing the exact same thing but better. So this deck is still growing in power level.
I actually consider it good.
If you wanna play a games vs it I sometime play at cEDH nexus or you are welcome to come and play vs this deck and me and other on my live stream if you want to.
Should probably reword how you described Aminatu
I get the impression that English is not Mons' first language.
Nope I am swedish. hehe.
I don't understand. He didn't say anything wrong.
The camera on your face appears stretched and distorted. While you look quite lovely, your shoulders are not that broad... :P
What are you talking about. I am super muscular! The webcam is kinda strange and dose it.
@@cedhtv I would never doubt that you are super muscular (and that you obviously work out!), however broadness does not equal (your obvious) strength