cEDH power nine top 9 best cards in the cEDH format
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- What are the best cards in the cEDH format? Well here is my list of what would be the power 9 in my opinion.
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So glad you didn’t include Jeweled Lotus in this list. It’s great, but this list seems pretty proper to me. Carpet is a must in typical multiplayer games, but I usually replace it with more removal or rituals when playing 1v1.
I would replace Carpet Of Flowers with Force Of Will. But otherwise a lot of good points made. Cool video
I like your take. I’d still argue Sol Ring and Cradle are pretty broken rituals as well (using your carpet argument). Cradle doesn’t even use the stack.
Craddle is Iffy. I have built green decks that dont have cradle in them.
I think it comes down to what the criteria is for the cards on the list. There are a number of reasonable factors for what should be on the list that could expand the cards considered:
How often the card is in decks (current criteria)
Worst case when you play the card
What the average case when you play the card
Best case when you play the card
Does the card require special deck building accommodation?
In the decks that cradle slots into, it's pretty broken. The average case is very good. The worst case (no creatures) is fairly bad.. best case is pretty game breaking, but it does not win on its own (although certainly it can play a part in infinite combos)
I think jeweled lotus would be on the list a lot sooner than cradle to me.
Amazing analysis as always!
Thank you. You should make a list for casual power 9.
@@cedhtv Narrowing it down to just 9 cards might be impossible though XD
Another fun one that hoses blue decks is Snake Pit. It is a 4 drop enchantment that reads "Whenever an opponent plays a blue or black spell, you may put a 1/1 green snake creature token into play." like carpet of flowers it is very good to have even if it is a 4 drop as if you are in green you can ramp anyways plus the odds of it seeing value in any game is really high since there is a high chance that the other 3 are playing a blue and or black deck so even outside of a Snake Tribal it is a really good card that would actually be a high priority to counter spell. If they let it go through who knows if the person has a sac outlet to generate mana off of those snakes but worse case is the person gets ran over by Snakes especially if there is a black player at the table as well then that would be really dangerous as they are not just getting snakes off of your counter spells so the possiblity of them running everyone over with snakes becomes real especially if they Triumph of the heard give them all infect and saved a Guttural Response for your blue counter spell so Triumph resolves
However they might opt for a Veil of Summer as it makes your spells encounterable at instant speed and if the enemy played a blue or black spell you draw a card while also giving your permanents hexproof, they would opt for this over both Guttural Response and this if they don't have access to red in the commander's colors as Guttural Response is a hybrid of red and or green and we all know how annoying Hybrid mana is in terms of a cards color identity
I really do agree with this list
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Thank you. I made it myself.
great video Mons
Thank you.
@@cedhtv yw I don’t say it enough since I’m watch most of your vods
If I had to make my own list it would probably be a lot of the same cards but maybe changing the order. Gaea’s cradle could be argued for but it really requires too much set up to really be that fast. The only tutor that can grab it reliably for cheap enough is crop rotation.
All the rest of positive mana rocks as honorable mention
I like your list. I might have included Sol Ring and maybe Arcane Signet. I know Signet doesn't ritual, but it is the best mana rock for colored mana.
Maybe for Casual edh list.
It's too slow in cedh
Not surprising but also kinda crazy that dockside has multiple combos with nearly every color identity: emiel, cloudstone, lore drakkis, sabertooth, ruthless technomancer, deadeye, clock resonator
I was expecting a bunch of other cards, like dark ritual, ancient tomb or the moxes instead of cards like ad nauseam, which is, al least a bit, a buildaround.
Moreover I noticed that all these cards are monocolored (or colorless), was it a condition to enter this list?
Yea, seems accurate
Funny one of my Cedh decks (Rielle the everwise) runs basically every single red or blue card mentioned on here. My mono green deck obviously also runs carpet of flowers.
Imo Sol Ring and Thoracle should be on this list. The first card I'd swap is probably Ranger-Captain and the other one idk.
I prefer vamp tutor over demonic, the fact that it's an instant is great
You have to be able to draw a card to get it tho. Sometimes demonic is just faster. You get the card this turn.
@@cedhtv but the instant makes it so good, and it costs less, in certain decks its better, but either way they are both great
Surprised you didn't have Teferi's Protection in there for white
The line 'its ceiling is going through the roof' made me question my existence for a bit
This video didn't age too well, but hey, a testament of time at least
Great content, loved the vid. Also while im not with in agreement Fish should get the ban axe I do think Rhystic Study should probably go.
Wait for real? I've always find rhystic study barely above, mediocre. It's an autoinclude, but it's so fair. You can easily pay for it to have them not draw, just slightly slowing down the game, while fish, whilst on the field, cannot (realistically) be payed for, basically functioning as some kind of one sided stax piece. Fish in opening hands, wins games so frequently from my experience.
@@DyPie527 yeah but there are more ways to play around fish. You don't have feed it at all.
Study can be played around but it impacts all spells. Plus it creates an awful kingmaking scenario whenever an even slightly less experienced player is involved. I e it feels pretty toxic to have to yell at the new player to pay their taxes/not cast spells. Every time i see a new player get yelled at for casting their ponder I think this more tbh.
Not mentioning Gaea's cradle seems unfair, but it's a great list!
Cradle is iffy, especially since we have a slightly more efficient version in Growing Rites of Itlimoc. Cradle only works if you have creatures in play. Itlimoc in its land form at least taps for mana regardless of creatures being on the board. I personally run both cards in my mono green elf deck.
Grol is nowhere near cradle imo. The main problem with cradle is it conditional nature and it weakness in the opening hand. Its definitely should have got a honourable mention though.
What Audi said. Cradle is Iffy.
@@cedhtv If i could ask, what do you think is more "powerful", ancient tomb or cradle? is the price overly inflated because of reserved list status and disparity? of course, both are great cards but i would like to hear your thoughts :)
@@SethTheDarkGod both are powerful in different ways. Ancient Tomb at least taps for mana without the need for a condition like creatures on the board, plus it helps ramp out your mana rocks to give early game advantage. However, it suffers in the late game especially if you're down on life total. Cradle suffers early game if your board is getting blasted, but if you are able to protect your creatures to benefit from Cradle, then you're good.
"simple and clean" was that a Kingdom Hearts reference? Haha
No. Never played that game actually.
I guessed 8/9, my list had jewelled lotus instead of ranger cap. But dockside definitely no 1 but I would put breach in second
Do you follow comedianmtg? He has awesome videos about top 8 or 4 of tournaments and it’s been so cool to see the rise of midrange and stax. The meta is so fun. Winconless stax can actually perform well with all of the crazy stax pieces nowadays.
Loved the video! Totally agree with the list.
Yes I watch him now and then. His videos are a bit long so I dont watch all of them.
@@cedhtv yeah they can go an hour or more. I listen to them on the way back and forth from work since the visuals are not very relevant.
10:50 Find yourself someone who looks at you like Mons looks at Dockside.
I’m trying not to see anything in the comments and I’m gonna post my personal list right here before I watch the video. It will be interesting to see how close I get to your list.
First, Teferi’s protection, second is lightning grieves… Lolol 😂. I’m kidding.
Seriously; (in no particular order and sorta off the top of my head)
1) Mox diamond
2) sol ring
3) mana crypt
4) time twister
5) tainted pact (I was gonna go w demonic tutor but this is a decent tutur and amazing combo piece so I think it’s prob better than D tutor in total??
6) mystic remora
7) dockside
8) underworld breach
9) Jeweled lotus
I feel pretty good about that list honestly… hmm… what about adnauseum? Shit. Ok, take two..
I would say maybe #9 would be Adnaus instead of j lotus. I could honestly see time twister not making the list for cedh too
What do you know, the entire list is Grixis 🤷♂️
Final answer;
1) Crypt
2) sol ring
3) mox diamond
4) jeweled lotus
5) tainted pact
6) Dockside
7) breach
8) mystic remora
9) Ad Nauseum
I like that you did your own list first without watching mine. Fun project of trying to compete with yourself.
Feels like a travesty that Mox diamond sol ring and chrome Mox are left off the list. Those along with mana crypt are often in 99+% of decks including decks running bull rod and collector ooph.
IMO.
Mana crypt
Sol ring
Mox diamond
Chrome Mox
Are the 1st 4 in the power 9.
Problem is they aren't that good in many decks which don't run explosive draw & storm. Mox diamond is great off the back of a peer but in your opening hand or first or second draw it's dosn't do MUCH. Sol ring cost 1 is comparatively a big drop in power.
@@akaqueequeg sol ring costing one IS a big drop in power, but for sure not one that drops it out of the top 9. 99%+ of decks run it. There are almost no good reasons not to run it. Mox Diamond and Chrome Mox aren't in such a high percentage of decks due to some needing better card quality in the early game, usually the slow non blue/black decks won't run either one of the 2 or even both.
I definitely agree, but the impact a mana crypt has compared to a sol ring is significantly different and rocks in general are not super powerful, they are staples sure but they can't be compare to the game warping effects of some cards. Hence why in mon's list crypt is the only one to make the cut and I mostly agree with him.
Mox diamond and chrome mox are 2 for 1s so I would strongly disagree with that sentiment as you would have to make a point for what cards come off. I think ranger captain should come off for sol ring
Would you say Lion's Eye Diamond be part of Power 9?
Did you know some of the newer magda builds don't run underworld? we run elixir of immortality since we want to tutor them to the battle field over casting the from grave! but we do run some of the goblins that bring out the artifacts we discard to the field cause one treasure for a cards seems better to us.
writing this down furiously
This sounds wrong. But I trust you.
@@cedhtv yeah I'm surprised too but as I see it it's not a combo piece in our deck so why run it?
I would remove carpet as it's only great against mono blue or 2 color decks, it's just good otherwise
How could dockside be in an Emiel deck when Emiel is Selesnya colors?
With a different Naya commander.
Wonder how (with all the statistics we have now) the list would change :)
Maybe this should be yearly and just the best cards in the current format.
I do a yearly cEDH metagame update.
Would Orcish Bowmasters make it onto this list?
NO!
Sol ring probably beats up on ranger captain as its more playable
Wait I’m so dumb I didn’t even think of dockside I was thinking of force of will
Am I dumb or is there any blue deck ever that doesn’t play ‘0 mana say no to anything’
Carpet and dockside I personally wouldn't rate so high because they have the lowest floor to their power. You can end up in a bad pod for carpet and dockside, and sometimes it can be an amazing pod. I think that inconsistency should put them lower on the list. I know that they're more explosive, especially dockside, but at the same time I notice on discord webcam groups that dockside is becoming less and less good as you see more green decks and stax decks
The number of strategies that can just win because they landed dockside is pretty high. The fact that it is both a ritual and an infinite combo piece means it fills multiple roles in every deck.
The floor for ad naus comes from people just hitting you down to like 20mins then ad naus hits pita and you go nowhere. The floor for any mana rock is ouphe. The floor for breach is Dauthi. Every card has a scenario that makes the card useless. Dockside needs 3 players to not be playing enchantments or artifacts. That’s all not that likely
No Mox Diamond?
A lot of these cards need packages, power is generic, like sol ring.
im surprised consultation or pact didnt make it, i dont think carpet should have made it
My List is
1. Mana Crypt
2. Force of Will
3. Mox Diamond
4. Sol Ring
5. Vampiric Tutor
6. Mystic Remora
7. Dockside Extortionist
8. Thassa's Oracle
9. Underworld Breach
Nice list, I might argue for Demonic Tutor over Vampiric but costing less and being an instant is incredibly good.
I was surprised seeing Mana Crypt at 9 on Mons list. It's easily no. 1 imo and not even particularly close.
@@ponderousplum7970 accord to my exp. I like Vamp tutor more bcus i found that Vamp tutor could caught opponents offguard.
I won by V.tutor more frequently than by D.tutor.
Interesting take. Do you really believe dockside is only #7? It’s seriously everywhere I look.
@@vatarants Also really nice that grabbing game-winning cards with Vampiric isn't as telegraphed as it is if done with Demonic.
@@Dafins100 it could go higher, but every card above also sees play in basically every deck that runs it's colors. Dockside might be more prevalent than Crypt, Will or Diamond in some metagames, but that is only because it is cheaper (monetarily) than they are.
Sol ring mate?
mana crypt better. and I think these other cards are stronger too.
@@cedhtv you don't have to think it is as it is a fact that crypt is better than sol ring just like sol ring is better than mana vault because you don't have to pay to untap it even if the vault gives a instant 3 colorless mana for the same cost of a sol ring but major downside is having to pay 4 to untap it next turn.
Necropotence?
Other cards are stronger. Peer is stronger. Ad naseaum is stronger. Necro is tricky and demand a bit of the deck to work.
How can I find out the power level of my deck?
you cant really its subjective
Your deck is probably about a 7/10
@@Cyb3rSynaps3 and your mom is a 10/10 if she does the job
It’s a little subjective. There are some videos that can explain power level but it’s all kinda what your group defines power as. I’ve seen people call black decks with 2-3 tutors in them an 8 which I disagree with. I define power in my group by the decks consistency with getting combos and being able to protect those pieces. A lot of low power decks can combo even infinite combos but a decks ability to do it by turn 2, 3, 4, 5, etc makes it better. On top of having a deck built around protecting those pieces.
My “highest tier” deck is an 8. It can combo really early but needs some key pieces to do so while also having a few cards to counter spells and protect my board.
Easy how fast can they threaten to win. Turn 4-5 is usually the cutoff for a 10 depending on the pod you are facing as sometimes it can be more counter heavy which skews a bit and turn 13 is about a 6 or 7 past that you are pretty much playing jank. But it also depends on the deck type you are playing as different rules if you are paying a Stax or Control since those tend to be slower, you have to lock them out consistently by those turns so you can get your win con and pretty much if your strategy won't work normally just turn it into Stax. Yes granted Stax is actually hard to pull off in competitive
Your criteria said auto include but adNas is not an auto include
I also said there are situations some of the top 9 cards are not auto included. Like dockside is not included in red poly strats. Ad naseaum is auto included if you dont add a lot of CMC.
@@cedhtv I think Dauthi Voidwalker is more of an auto include than Naus
I don’t play cards that are iffy. Examples being Carpet, Cradle, Ad Naus, etc. I want guaranteed value. No if, ands, or buts. No guaranteed mana from carpet or cradle. No guaranteed card value from Ad Naus. I play Stax anyways so I wouldn’t be playing those cards most of the time, except if it was a creature based Beatdown Stax. Then I might want to run Cradle. But if no one plays an island, then carpet literally does nothing. Just play mana dorks, rocks, utopia sprawl, wild growth, etc.
I think you put a bit too much emphasis on rituals. Carpet is certainly good, but not top 9 and Dockside shouldn't be #1 at least imo. My number 1 would easily be Mana Crypt and replace carpet with maybe Sol Ring or Force of Will since free counters are so incredible.
Stax pieces are generally superior to free counters, I would rate all the rule of law effects above the staple counters simply because of the card advantage issues.
@@akaqueequeg that generally isn't really true tho. Stax pieces are incredibly powerful, but they demand deck construction around themselves as the most potent stax are all symmetrical. You don't need to build around Force of Will besides playing blue and being able to draw cards. Also, most stax pieces are silver bullets and it's hard to say any silver bullet or specific strategy hoser is objectively better than any color staple.
I witnessed too many people die to their own mana crypt tho, its risky asf
rarely comments here but LOL at cap of eos. there's way too many powerful cedh staples before cap can even see top 15.
All my wins even tho my opponents had interaction have to say no to that.
@@cedhtv you can't be sure. ask them first. Pontus is a reasonable man. i doubt cap is on his top 10.
@@obiparcon16 I am sure of my own wins.
@@cedhtv I'm not even doubting your wins. you're a good player. sorry if i confuse you. what i doubt is if your opponents will agree with your choice of cap within the top 10. winning with cap is not the only criteria for it to get in the list. and like i said, if you follow all those criteria, there are a lot more cards that will go ahead of cap.
you can't play dockside in emiel it's red
This would be a naya color identity deck.
I see, I see...
Ya those two go great together or what about eldrazi displacer with dockside? Can you make colorless with treasure?
Personally I find Jeweled Lotus to be overrated. It works good with a mono color, maybe a high CMC dual color commander, but it's also one and done. Unless you have a means of bringing it back from the graveyard, it's only going to be used once.
it's definitely not overrated, but it's not a true black lotus. Even if it's one and done, I assume then you're not playing lotus petal, elvish/simian spirit guide, or other stuff like that? even if it's 1 time, casting your commander early can be a huge advantage and warp the game. Turn 1 winota, tevesh, kraum, malcolm (which is also free off lotus) etc you get the idea. it's also a great enabler in breach decks as grinding station comes back into the vogue, along with being able to counter it with Offer for a a ritual. I suspect you find it to be overrated because you play commanders where it doesn't really fit into the deck well
@@jeef16 In my meta, getting your commander out early is not a guaranteed advantage. Spot removal is plentiful in EDH, so are board wipes. And graveyard recursion of specifically artifacts isn't common and often not worth taking up a space in a deck to run cards to specifically bring cards like Jeweled Lotus back. In my experience, a deck should be able to win without the need for the commander to be on the board; there should be win-cons in the 99 that don't require your commander. Nobody in my playgroup, which is very competitive or high-tier decks, plays with Jeweled Lotus.
Mystic remora
Rhystic Study
Ad naseaum
Dockside extortionist
Underworld breach
Thassa's Oracle
Force of Will
Chrome mox
Mox Diamond
Sol ring and thoracle easily outpower ranger
All my wins when people sit with interaction in their hand have to say no to that.
Captain of eos is the captain of the nope button to noncreature spells
Unpopular opinion: Ad Naus is not a good card. It’s too iffy. There’s no guarantee you get value. Peer is better because you are guaranteed a lot of cards and you pay a lot less life for them. The only advantage to Ad Naus is instant speed and two less mana. The mana part isn’t that big of a deal in cEDH.
I mean, I can stand by some points you made. I can certainly tell you that I've lost to a couple terrible Ad Naus hits in the past, but the 2 mana difference is FUCKING HUGE. I mean, the amount of times I've been able to set up a naus t1/2 vs a Peer T3 is immense. 7 mana is really hard to get immediately. Mana crypt mana vault dark ritual casts peer, but that's not gonna happen very often. Most of the times you'll have to tutor up at least a piece, and you'll be pitching cards from your hand due to a mox etc.
Cant take this list serious with no mention of Sol Ring. Also Ad Nauseum should not be here. Feels like you put no thought into this.
Ad naseaum is great! Every black deck you play them if they can.
No cards in this list should be banned