Sisay cedh deck tech the best cards to play
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2023
- What are the best cards to play in sisay. What can we say from looking at tournament statistics. Well not much. But we can see a tiny bit.
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I like that you dont waste time by explaining the cards. Your audience knows the cards. But your audience in their cars need at least the names to follow
Oh that is true. I try and read out the winrate in inclusion rate just becous some one might not watch. But I Can try and always say the cards name.
the reason oath of teferi is popular is that despite it usually being pretty dead in hand it lets you win through a grafdiggers cage using aminatou and bolas, especially if you're on the lines with COTA, dihada, and chromatic orrery
And Grafdiggers Cage is freaking everywhere.
This video was awesome, as soon as I proxy all the moxen and expensive stuff I’m going to build this in paper
Your welcome.
I love Imp Seal with Tyvar already down, basically Dockside for B, but it's not cast so they need to hit the tutor.
I commented awhile ago and man delivered 🤝❤
Ofc. WellI will try and do all commanders. Or the ones that have a lot of games on them.
Llanwan has been my secret tech in every blue deck Ive built for years... which hasnt been many... but its amazing! Total over-performer.
Sisay! Yay ty!
Have been waiting for your Sisay deck tech 😍
He has like 4 or 5 Sisay deck techs already
yeah. hahahaha.
@@pierrebuthaud7640 I know, I meant a card/win rate review in this format. My bad
this is great, i hope we can revisit najeela
I also took mox amber out of my list... might put it back haha.
I'm the one sisay pilot who always avoid Planewalkers Aminatou Bolas line because of many dead cards, but with current meta I found that I struggle to win in the turn many times due to mana lacking of creature line (Emiel flicker use +3 more mana). Compare to PW line which has benefit of 1.less mana consume (just have any creature tap for WUBRG, no need Emiel flicker derevi)
2.Pass through Grafdigger's cage
3.Many PW use as Ladder for sisay without wasting mana spent (such as Saheeli copy Bloom Terder, Tyvar untap Selvala )
Anyway, I still have both lines in the deck, just less rely on stax creature.
Would love to see a update for this type of video in the future
There will be one! over time I am getting more and more cards to look at data on.
@@cedhtv awesome and thanks for replying and letting me know, much appreciated.
Agatha’s + mana vault + ancient tomb = a very early sisay search. If leyline of the guildpact is in your opening hand then you just win the game turn 2.
Mons can i get your list? To compare to mine and see how can mix
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Agatha's Soul Cauldron is the reason I haven't switched Jegantha to Chromatic Orrery yet. For some reason I tend to lean on Tyvar combo's the most so Jegantha is still king
I am just viewing this now and i remember I also viewed your older sisay vids, and i am really leaning more towards the more staxx build rather than the super friends build..
This is a bit of and old video. And I have made a new video where I talk about stax being dead. So there is a lot to take into account.
@@cedhtv i have watched that too, maybe it's just my playstyle, i really like grindy games sometimes, dragging them.. but of course, sometimes we know that in staxx it doesn't always go our way and lots of times it backfires.
Would love to see one of these for Rocco
That will eventually happen. one commander after the other.
While sakashima with dockside is obviously great some of my best value with it has actually been copying a Tivit or an Atraxa
That is awsome honestly.
Why isn't vadrik on your list of averages at the start 😢😂 another great video !!
Becaouse he only has 6 Tournament entrys :P
@@cedhtv haha half of them are me 🤣
For your jengantha stats, did you differentiate between companion and main deck inclusions?
No they where both in the same group.
20.21 is good for magda!
What website does this!? Can you do one on TK Blue Farm PLEASE?
edhtop16.com/?tourney_filter__size__%24gte=64&tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1659422080&colorID=null I grab wins and decklists from this website and run my own calculations. And yes I can do this for bluefarm.
Uploads a Sisay deck tech while I'm debating two versions of Sisay, K'rrik and Tymna/Dargo for a tournament in November 😅 swaying my decisions here Mons
what about Thada adele in sisay? You can tutor for her and then steal someone's one ring. or is that a distraction?
I think it would just be easier to tutor your own One Ring.
I think I will agree with veldarrain. Tutor your own ring. But when your capable of tutoring thada or the one ring your at the power where Sisay just wins soon. So rather tutoring combo cards.
How is Emiel plus dockside plus mount doom a win? How do you untap mount doom by flickering dockside? Lol or was that simplified, make infinite mana and assume you can search up and play Aminatou/bolas and then flicker mount doom?
He missed out saying after getting infinite mana from Emiel+Dockside, get Mt Doom and Derevi, then blinking Derevi untaps Mt Doom
You find Derevi.
aminatou or derevi either one.
Is there a link to your decklist? I don’t see it in your vid description.
edhtop16.com/commander/Sisay,%20Weatherlight%20Captain?tourney_filter__size__%24gte=64&tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1659422080
This is a link to all the sisay lists.
First :>
There's probably some value in doing a t-test for significance on the results. For example, if say we only have 1 entry that has a 60% WR in for a single niche card, it's probably statistically insignificant. Practically, slightly higher WR with greater inclusion rates are more meaningful than high WR for a tiny inclusion rate.
I am not an educated statistician. But I know what it is. I am currently reading on it. I Think I have been able to impliment it to my average winrate on the total. But not sure if I counted it correct. But the plan is to have a P-value to the average winrates of all the singel cards. But I don't know when.
Is there a moxfield or archideck link
edhtop16.com/commander/Sisay,%20Weatherlight%20Captain?tourney_filter__size__%24gte=64&tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1659422080
Here is a link to all sisay tournament decklists
thank you
@@cedhtv
Where can I get data on commander win rate?
edhtop16.com/?tourney_filter__size__%24gte=64&tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1659422080&colorID=null
Here I guess. But they don't calculat winrate. I have just added all WIN loss and DRAWS and calculated it myself.
zero chance of convincing me not to go for the planeswalker lines. nice try tho. i swear by them
But Oath of Teferi is just a bad card hahaha. Nah stay true!
This dude keeps talking about Gaea’s Cradle like it’s just an easy cheap card to find 😂😂😂
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First time that I caught this, but did you say you are averaging the average win rate? If you are, that is bad statistics! One deck that played 1000 games with a 100% win rate and another deck that played 1 game with a 0% win rate will average to 50%. Should be totaling all the wins and losses and getting your average from there.
Also, if you have dates on the tournaments, you could then even do a rolling average where you can see how the commanders have been performing over time and look when they get win percentage spikes and see which cards changed to get an idea of how certain cards are impacting the overall win rate. Would be a good way to see the effects of the Cauldron or Lotho which are newer cards. More work to set up (well only a little with a good spreadsheet) but you might get some interesting data.
This all day. Statistics aren’t always as straightforward as they seem. It’s an art. 🖼️ 📊
Each "deck" is actually an entry into a tournament. If you took the same deck to two tournaments, Mons would count that as two distinct decks for his data.
Correct what masterdecoy is saying. The same player with the same deck enters over and over into different tournaments. They get different preformence outcome from each tournament (mostly).
@@MasterDecoy1W But the original point still stands. A deck that enters a tournament, wins one game, and then drops has a 100% winrate. A deck that plays 5 rounds of Swiss and wins 4/5 has only an 80% winrate, which looks lower even though the deck technically performed better.
@@a.velderrain8849 The original post has nothing to do with yours. They are separate criticisms, do not confuse the issue. As to your point, that would be on Eminence Gaming. If what you say is true, which is doubtful, it would be woefully incompetent to count an early drop as having a flawless record rather than factoring in subsequent rounds as losses. Mons cannot check every individual deck's performance at each tournament for outliers. A good faith move would not be to tell Mons he's doing bad math, but to demonstrate factual examples that violate data standards so he knows what to be wary of. Then go to Eminence Gaming and tell them to clean up their record keeping.