Why you guys are so into, we need a 5th Gen Fighter to counter China.... Relax.. Rafale is Quite capable.. Tejas Mk2 will be quite capable... So these aircrafts before AMCA will be very capable to counter China's J 20. The MK2 of Tejas will have features from AMCA. So, you don't actually need a Su 57 to counter China.. Rafale is good enough.
Our Su-30MKI managed to detect the J-20 within 80 km...I would prefer our air force to buy only 2-4 squadrons of Rafale aircraft and then work with Saffran on the Kaveri engine project.
If the Russians inspite of having a 5th gen working airplane is still lagging behind its western counterparts then how long will it take for India to catch up. By the time we come up with AMCA we might see 6th gen fighters flying circles around us.
amca will take atleast 10 years to be in production phase by that time other countries would have already developed their sixth generation. btw amca will be 5.5 generation not 6 th generation.
@@KneelBeforeBlue but babu giri ka kya karoge, all countries except China and Russia all have private companies involved in defense manufacturing have allowed and legalized lobbying
I wish you were in the team of Study IQ channel. You sound exactly like them, also you explain things like them. I have watched so many Defence related Indian channel, all are same type. Shouting and shouting, reading some note and shouting.. but you speak in depth, with seriousness.. Man I love your channel. I wish more people come to know about this channel. Also I wish again you were in Study IQ team 😊
@@aarifboy bro tejas was a another category jets they were used to protect bases, becoz of its short range. And india need this category jets, so don't be foolish.
Sir according to me we should cancel the MMRCA 2.0 tender and we should buy only 36-40 Su 57 Fighter jets in two squadrons by 2023 with an option to buy 2 more squadrons in the future(just to ease out the logistics chain). Even if we don't buy the additional ones, then also it's fine but we should go for 2 Squadrons of Su 57E. Fill the rest of the requirements by buying 72 Rafale i.e 4 Squadrons under Make In India. In short we will have:- 1. Jaguar(Used for Bombing)- 3.5 gen. 2. Mirage 2000- 4th gen. 3. Tejas Mk1- 4+ gen. 4. Tejas Mk1A- 4++ gen. 5. Mig 29 UPG- 4++ gen. 6. Super Sukhoi- 4.5 gen. 7. Tejas MWF- 4.5 gen. 8. Rafale- 4.5+ gen. 9. Su 57E- 5 gen. 10. AMCA- 5.5 gen. Also looking at the future, it is certain that China will start deploying it's 5th gen. fighters against us, whether it is J 20 or J 31, it will happen in the next 5-7 years. Our AMCA is still 10 years away from getting inducted. So just to make sure that we don't loose the qualitative edge over China, i feel we should take 2 Squadrons of Su 57 to create a deterrent against them till the time AMCA doesn't get inducted. These will be supported by Rafale, Super Sukhoi(Majority) and Tejas MWF. While Mig 29UPG, Tejas MK1A, Tejas Mk1, Mirage 2000 and probably 3-4 Squadrons of Super Sukhoi can take care of the Pakistan border. Jaguars Darin 3 can play the deep penetration strike roles on both the sides. This way, looking from the Airforce point of view, we will be ready for a two front situation.
That's good, n i agree we should cancel MMRCA 2.0. But we dont have money to procure as many as you listed. My first preference would be just buy 36 additional Rafales n spend rest of money in speeding up indigenous development. If Rafale not feasible, buy 18-24 SU 57s to help with the AMCA development. I don't think we can afford both.
In some analysis I've also heard that IAF has always wanted to operate 2 distinct classes of 5-5.5 gen aircrafts the medium weight category requirement will be fulfilled by our AMCA but the heavy class would be best suited by the su-57, also by buying the su-57 aircrafts in limited numbers like 4-5 squadrons(with India specific modifications) will give us an access to the powerful and a potent izdeliye 30 engines as well as sensors for the su-30 mki fleet. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
SU57 nahin lega, aur F35, F15 bhi nahin lega to agla 10 saal tabla bazayega? Hamara airframe 2030 me pehley main aayega, due to efficiency of HAL!!!! China is also acquiring SU57.
We are doing good in jets! If we invest more on our indigenous platforms we can achieve better than Russian or American! Tejas is example how great jets we can build, from low RCS (0.1-0.5msq²) to great manoverablity!! Jai Hind 🇮🇳❤️
Bhai mirage france ke h unke weapons ki realibility bhot acchi h russia se or russia ke weapons realibility kitni acchi h vo hm dekhte hi aare h
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F-35s are no match to advanced SU 57.Remember,last year soviet era Mig 21 crushed advanced F 16 in mid air by Abhinandan! Russian jets are superior jets
So according to you India should buy MIG 21s> Russian planes are no match to american planes- the average kill ratio of USA : Russian aircrafts is 1:12, since 1960s according to a defense study.
What ur saying has no sense the difference between 4rth and 5th gen is stealth which is not needed in a defensive war and anyways if u take a look at geography then even an old aircraft is enough and last point China's aircraft is nothing but a copy of Russian old aircraft's and heir fleet of j7 is nothing but mig 21 filling nearly whole of its fighter fleet
@@Pumpkinmountain stealth doesn't mean complete invisibility ..if you push stealth aircraft into a dogfight..their radar signature increases Stealth only helps if you want to suprise your enemy..which is not possible.. because our Satellites and AWACS is alert
to who all people say it is bad first see this situation of war USA will stop all supply to India and via nato will stop France to do that same who will come to help you then and then India will buy it more at expensive price to keep you idiots safe and then you will keep paying tax for recovering the amount. India is place of jugads so think cheap mig-21 lasted 60 years what else do you need more than the even the USA cannot guarantee.
Bro loved every detail you said... And you are absolutely right about all negative points of this Fighter jet... There are also few more problems with this Su 57 which my one of cousin told me who is also serving in Our Air Force... I m telling you bro people will love your channel and will Subscribe your channel coz you have that to give what people want and need to see and hear... That's why I told you last month that I'll meet you and your team and we'll work together on some Very Good projects for Our Country... GOD bless you and your team and their families with lots of love and happiness and with good health and wealth... 🚩 JAI HIND 🚩🚩 VANDE MATARAM 🚩
After signing the deal with roles royace developing next gen fighter jet engine is just a matter of time. AMCA in the AERO INDIA 2021 has been an absolute show stopper. Every Indian must be proud of AMCA. We will do it and will do it better than the Commies.
Russia is INDIA all weather FRIEND . Kabhi dhoka nahi diya usne . Menoveriblty of Su 57 is unparalleled. India wil goona buy some plane for sure. India cannot ignore russia.
India should buy atleast 5 each 5th generation aircraft and understand the basic of a fighter aircraft! And indians scientists are good in reverse engineering
Only problem is the time it takes for DRDO to develop fully functional jet. The concept of LCA was developed in 1993 & It was inducted in the IAF in 2015 So imagine the time it took. Also unit cost is quite expensive for the home made jet. LCA Tejas which is like 4th or 4.5 gen jet costs about the same as SU57 which is 5th Gen ,so there is not much advantage in cost either.
India shall realise in last 16yrs no new fighter jet joined IAF, ofcourse we added 230 Su 30. Only in 2016 Modi Gov inked a deal for 36 Rafale not even one delivered by 2020. Our LCA project, paper tiger amca goes on and on for whatever reasons. So Fast move mmrca2 files and award contract to manufacture 144 Rafales in India. Beyond 2035 even Su would start retire. Make plan which fighter would replace them.
We urgently need a deal for induction of Su57 variant with Indian specific enhancement -It will deny advantage to Pakistan if they acquire Chinese stealth jets(they may acquire before induction of amca) - to counter Chinese advantages as amca induction is at least 10 years away -Su57 will become test bed for future technologies development for network centric warfare etc -to remain close to Russian technical futuristic projects
India invested some money in the development of Su57. India backed out as Russians were not including some changes that India asked. Moreover Russians were asking 6 billion dollars for technology transfer that MOD found that to be exorbitant. India already burnt its hand in getting Russian refurbished aircraft carrier. So memory was fresh. But I do not agree to your point of dog fighting capacity of Su57 as nobody does dog fighting any more. BVR settled that issue forever. You were appreciating F22 Raptor. Raptor production was stopped by USA. On the other hand USA put more money on F 35, why? F22 can play havoc against sub standard armed countries like Syria, Libya etc. Even it does not stand any chance against Iranian air defense.
We always thought that nobody is going to do dogfights anymore, but it always comes to that. American thought the same during the Vietnam war and we know where it went.. we even have a fresh example of the post balakot incident.. So, I agree that the air to air missiles are becoming advance these days, but so are the defence capabilities of the aircrafts. And ultimately it all comes to the close combat. So, Dogfights are not going anywhere pretty soon. On stopping the production of F 22 Raptors... They are expensive aircrafts, they are good at what they do, but even USAF can't afford them in a very large number, due to the money on stake and the role they perform... So they went for a cheaper project, keeping in mind the affordability, that's why a single platform F 35 was chosen for Air Force, Navy and Marines version.. which itself led to certain problems which we will discuss some other day.
Wonderful explanation sir.You presented good amount of information in a very meaningful and effective way.I feel IAF must take note of your observation.Could you make a detailed program about how to accelerate Indias own fighter plane program with the help of private sector .Because HAL and ADA still long way to go to catch with western fighter planes.
India will creat AMCA in 2030 it's planned like this... I can bet not before 2040 , Induction. No country will ever give a platform like SU 57 to India . SU 57 for India is very important , it's a platform from which India will learn about its own AMCM program. We must in small Number almost 36 to 54 buy SU 57 for sure . And for mass number AMCA will be ready. If you want to compete with not only China but other countries too you yourself should know what a 5th generation Aircraft looks like . And having SU 57 in fleet will only Improve AMCA . I think we should Buy SU 57 but the deal should be of fully developed ones with advanced weapons package and Engine.
Please Answer me Can / Will India integrate Mirage 2000 with Scalp and Meteor Missiles ? Scalp could be used to destroy chinese air defence and thus making way for Su 30 MKI , MiG 29 and Jaguar to maintain Air supremacy and bomb PLA Troops ? These weapons could be game changing
Scalp can be integrated on Mirage 2000 but meteor won't because the radar of M2000 is not optimum to take full advantage of Meteor. For Mirage 2000 France is making a new versiom of Mica called Mica NG. which would be best for M2000
It took India almost 40 years to develop taj fighter jet and it is ongoing and regarding 5.5 gen jet's only god knows better buy SU-57 now and after 60 years India will have its 5.5 gen jet's
India should include all iits , with strong support financially, with a healthy competition between all IITs, with a promise to reward n recognition to the successful team for AMCA .
The SU-57 is still an unproven platform. It would be a better move to Deploy the more advances Mirage 4000 which can be used by the IAF and the Navy. The Mirage 4000 is still the most advanced platform in Asia and more of the these platforms will be of greater use to the IAF and Navy until India can bring its own 5th and 6th generation platform into use.
@Margi 'S Russian junk?Sale agar aisa hai toh China aur sab unke Fighters ka reverse engineering kyu kar rahe hai? Bhai tughe pata nahi tu kya bol raha hai.
@Margi 'S India nai isliye American engines Tejas mai use karne ka faisla liya kyuki Russians bahut bade engines banate hai jiski vajah se unki speed bahut bad jati hai. Abe sale tum log bhi na.
Thank you for speaking the truth. Not many know had India not purchased SU 30 Mki from Russia in late 90s, Sukhoi Corp would have collapsed. The Russians never allowed India to even Assemble their planes, in case of SU 30 they allowed and result is that SU 30 assembled in India costs ₹ 100 Cr more then one supplied by Sukhoi. There is a CAG report on HAL. Take Dassault aviation, IAF purchased its first jet fighter in 1950 from France and it came with full ToT that is HAL could Assemble planes and India imported some spares and ammunition from france. Second comes Jaguar, same deal, then comes Mirage 2000 same deal, in fact had Indira Gandhi not acted like an ass. Dassault wanted to move entire production of Mirage 2000 to India in 1982. Because they were focussing on Rafale then. Jump to Modi Govt deal with France for Rafale, Late Manohar Parrikar has cut a superb deal. The French Engine Maker Safran that powers both Rafale and Mirage has invested in our Kaveri engine project And India will soon have its own engine made in india. Note the word the French have invested reportedly close € 1 Billion in the project. This is first step towards powering all future projects. MBDA the armament maker has also tied up.with India and will make the missles and other armaments in India thereby reducing the cost. Thales the Radar and other electronic wArfare equipment maker has sub contracted many indian companies for work. BEL being on of them. Moving forwArd India must follow the Parikkar plan that is Indian companies must get into the global supply chains of OEM.and then work on their own platforms. Russia will never allow this. The Western nations will. Even China and Turkey have done the same thing = get into global supply chAins of OEM and now they are launching their own platforms. This obsession with "DRDO Ne Ye Bana diya Wo bana diya" is not even funny anymore.. India has the worst DPSUs anywhere in the world. Arjun Tank, LCA Tejas are classic examples on how our DPSUs have reduced us as a joke. Simple example India will import 98,000 Assault Rifles with bullets from the UAE yes the UAE!!! One wonders what was the DRDO doing for all these years? Excellent Video. Say no to Russian products because they sell same products to our enemy china.
Very informative and well explained. We should reduce our dependence on Russia as they have played dirty with us previously. Also buying aircrafts from one nation and weapons (for them) from another nation, causes problems with integration. We should stick to Rafales and locally produce them, such that weapon systems integration becomes easier. The last thing we need in a time of conflict, is to be held to ransom by a supplier like Russia.
F414 is a stop gap measure. It will only be on the first batch of AMCAs in the 2025-2027 period. After 2027 we should have developed a new, high tech engine with higher thrust that will go on rest of AMCAs. For that GTRE is working on a possible joint parternship with RollsRoyce, Saffran, GE or PnW. While at the same time, working on a non-kaveri, fresh design of a new indigenous engine for AMCA in house.
We are still inducting Tejas at a slower rate than JF-17s, they have nearly hundred. The Pakistanis may loose to us but their defense acquisition process is much better than us, they aim for achievable goals and get the weapons they need by purchase and modernization according to their limited budget. Our acquisition takes so long that there is new technology developed and then requirements are changed again thus delaying the purchase as seen with Tejas, what started as a basic MiG-21 got mission creeped and the requirements of the IAF kept increasing. The Pakistanis were pragmatic , they knew they lacked the technological and budgetary resources to build a high performance jet so instead of reinventing the wheel they partnered with China, got Russian engines , helped design the JF-17 and got Italian Radar and South African weapons thus operationalizing their planes and combat testing them while our Tejas is getting IOC and only now we are getting serial production. We tried building everything ourselves and yet we ended up with all the major parts being foreign in Tejas, only positive is we mastered Carbon fibre composite materials and some avionics, engine is American, avionics are Israeli and French, weapons are French, Israeli and Russian, radar is Israeli
Pretty good assessment of the need (or not) for India to buy this plane. . I though wonder if the AMCA will go the Tejas way and take forever to be operational. Probably tying up with another country like Israel could fast track this process .
That's right Hal ke projects ko support karna chahiye apne scientist ka manobaal badhana chahiye it's time to choose made India product first that will boost India 💪💪🇮🇳🇮🇳
You cannot read one report and pass a judgement on Su57. Yes it has hit development and production hiccups but that happens with every advanced jet project. Also, India's own fifth gen fighter jet project won't go into production until 2030. Can we afford to wait that long? Earlier it was expected that IAF will receive major boost of 125 Rafale but now it's all in the dark. We need F-22s or Su57s, we need one of these, desperately.
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High time we should order 300-400 advance fighter jets so that we can easily defend our border against a joint chino pak attack..Govt can continue giving funds to our indigenous program. Heard one expert involved in amca team say that it will take atleast 8 years for Amca to be ready and to induct a sizeable number will take few years more..
If HAL failed to delivered again then we wont have any other choice other than to purchase it. On the other hand purchasing 4-5 squads with full TOT would be great for future.
India have to purchase su -57 on emergent basis due to China and Pakistan problem, although USA not giving f -35 to India , that's why su -57 is the only option , Amca will be ready after 10 years .
Bro we ll have to buy Su57, we have no other option. AMCA will take time no early to 2035 (operational, could be even more) To counter J20 you need one stealth at least 2 squadron.
@@DefenceMatrix i think we short of 100 numbers after all aircraft inducted so we should buy at list 3 or 4 sqd if TOT OR Revive FGFA FOR 2 seat if require.....
Because technology transfer was not up to indian expectation. Even the engine was not powerful enough. And India has always been complaining about Russian spares! And su57 is quite cheap to buy but not cheap to maintain, and service spare availability will be too low like other Russian stuff.....
AND BTW TO ALL THOSE THE MORE WESTERN AIRCRAFT, YOU GO TO THE IMPERIAL SYSTEM CALCULATION HAVE TO BE DONE TO METRIC WHICH leads TO MORE PROBLEM. JUST GIVING YOU A BRIEF EXAMPLE REMEMBER THE AIR CANADA 767 IN CANADA ACCIDENT IT IS SAME WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
You know the problem with INDIA is buying things from foreign....our R&D is always under rated! Indian made things are best... You know why BRAMHOS is so powerful.... because Kalam sir was also in the R&D...If INDIA strengthen it's R&D we will be best for sure. Now come to the common man's mentality of Indians, that we always being happy with comparing us with Pakistan..it is such a small country....why should we compare ourselves with them....if you can't think big....how can you be great!
For IAF to concentrate on swadeshi planes is good but HAL are very slow at delivering these planes. I mean we only will be getting the Tejas MK2 in about 5 years time and AMCA in 2030. And if HAL would’ve hurried up a little bit faster then we wouldn’t have to ask Russia to supply us with more SU 30MKI’s and Mig 29’s for the Indian Chinese standoff in Ladakh.
Are you asking should India take F35?? well first thing is first F35 is for nato allies and only Japan and Korea. Can buy and as S400 will reach India it's not possible to take F35 anymore
I think we must purchase 2 squadrons, which are enough till the time we will have our own fighter jet. One thing I really hate about India is about budget issue. When I was doing the research work, I was asked to add the name of one foreign author to get the funding in research work. Other thing is that, in institutions everyone is so corrupt that they won’t use the funding for the research work and old equipment will be shown during the billing process. These are reasons for the failure of kaveri engine, still we donate have simulators and testing facilities for engines and fighter jet can’t be completed without indigenous engine.
I am not a defence analyst, but one thing is clear only America and Russia can produce fifth gen aircraft. Amca will take more than 15-20 years in mass production. After seeing Tejas. This long time is not good for national security. And even after one decade we start manufacturing amaca then it will take many years for production and induction in iaf. So we should look for buying 4-5 squadron of su 57 which will give experience in operating 5th gen aircraft and parallel focus on amca. When dragon is at our doorstep we cannot completely rely on only HAL. To produce Tejas and amca. Time is also important factor. We will take forever in amca.
Is it possible? 114 su57 as counter stealth by mmrca dealron and full focus on stealth amca. Since su57 is not costly and May be a bit expensive than rafale
India is not fighting against West... It's against China... Their main fighter s are based on SU 27... We don't have 30 years of time to make our own... We are already 12 squadron shorter and to counter J20 we need some thing good now... Making our own is completely different ...
I think we need to work out a mechanism to jointly develop our 5th generation aircraft with Dassault Aviation. We have been very happy with the performance of Mirage 2000 & i think the same will hold true for Rafale. By God's grace we have good relations with France which we need to exploit further for the benefit of both our countries.
Totally support ur argument India backed out because of non modular engine which would have hampered operatebility n radar su57 is still upgrade of su35 not a different patform
Why you guys are so into, we need a 5th Gen Fighter to counter China.... Relax.. Rafale is Quite capable.. Tejas Mk2 will be quite capable... So these aircrafts before AMCA will be very capable to counter China's J 20.
The MK2 of Tejas will have features from AMCA.
So, you don't actually need a Su 57 to counter China.. Rafale is good enough.
Our Su-30MKI managed to detect the J-20 within 80 km...I would prefer our air force to buy only 2-4 squadrons of Rafale aircraft and then work with Saffran on the Kaveri engine project.
Tactics are more important than technology
Logically correct 👍
lage hath J 20 ki ghanghor insult bhi ho li 😂
What about j31
@@Kakkar07 it's even worse than J 20.
If the Russians inspite of having a 5th gen working airplane is still lagging behind its western counterparts then how long will it take for India to catch up. By the time we come up with AMCA we might see 6th gen fighters flying circles around us.
amca will take atleast 10 years to be in production phase by that time other countries would have already developed their sixth generation. btw amca will be 5.5 generation not 6 th generation.
@Bilal Ahmed they say Amca mk2 will use 6 th gen avionics like fly by optics, active energy weapon etc.
Atleast it is better to have than nothing....for making 6th gen , we first need a fifth gen..
@@josephstalin9604 exactly
@@digvijaysandhu4688 Yup So yeah Air Defences Is Important
We should focus on self manufacturing whether it's failure or success we will learn something
We should privatise defense fully. So that private companies take risk.
@@KneelBeforeBlue but babu giri ka kya karoge, all countries except China and Russia all have private companies involved in defense manufacturing have allowed and legalized lobbying
@Spetznaz Ss and till 2035 they will say, humse naa ho payega
Why failure ? We will succeed!
@@sheelmirji5494 what make you say that???
I wish you were in the team of Study IQ channel. You sound exactly like them, also you explain things like them. I have watched so many Defence related Indian channel, all are same type. Shouting and shouting, reading some note and shouting.. but you speak in depth, with seriousness.. Man I love your channel. I wish more people come to know about this channel. Also I wish again you were in Study IQ team 😊
Study IQ only require those people who object or stand Against WEST. Study iq have their own anti west Agenda.
Bro I am also a fan of Prashant Dhawan sir I wait for his video every day
I dont know if you have checked the channel Defence Decode? If so, whats your opinion about the channel? It also gives in-depth analysis.
Tejas also failed now, due to incompetence of Modi, see here czcams.com/video/tXizArQEixo/video.html
@@aarifboy bro tejas was a another category jets they were used to protect bases, becoz of its short range. And india need this category jets, so don't be foolish.
Sir according to me we should cancel the MMRCA 2.0 tender and we should buy only 36-40 Su 57 Fighter jets in two squadrons by 2023 with an option to buy 2 more squadrons in the future(just to ease out the logistics chain). Even if we don't buy the additional ones, then also it's fine but we should go for 2 Squadrons of Su 57E.
Fill the rest of the requirements by buying 72 Rafale i.e 4 Squadrons under Make In India.
In short we will have:-
1. Jaguar(Used for Bombing)- 3.5 gen.
2. Mirage 2000- 4th gen.
3. Tejas Mk1- 4+ gen.
4. Tejas Mk1A- 4++ gen.
5. Mig 29 UPG- 4++ gen.
6. Super Sukhoi- 4.5 gen.
7. Tejas MWF- 4.5 gen.
8. Rafale- 4.5+ gen.
9. Su 57E- 5 gen.
10. AMCA- 5.5 gen.
Also looking at the future, it is certain that China will start deploying it's 5th gen. fighters against us, whether it is J 20 or J 31, it will happen in the next 5-7 years. Our AMCA is still 10 years away from getting inducted. So just to make sure that we don't loose the qualitative edge over China, i feel we should take 2 Squadrons of Su 57 to create a deterrent against them till the time AMCA doesn't get inducted. These will be supported by Rafale, Super Sukhoi(Majority) and Tejas MWF.
While Mig 29UPG, Tejas MK1A, Tejas Mk1, Mirage 2000 and probably 3-4 Squadrons of Super Sukhoi can take care of the Pakistan border.
Jaguars Darin 3 can play the deep penetration strike roles on both the sides.
This way, looking from the Airforce point of view, we will be ready for a two front situation.
That's good, n i agree we should cancel MMRCA 2.0.
But we dont have money to procure as many as you listed. My first preference would be just buy 36 additional Rafales n spend rest of money in speeding up indigenous development.
If Rafale not feasible, buy 18-24 SU 57s to help with the AMCA development. I don't think we can afford both.
Abhinandan ne jo F16 giraya usko MiG-21 ke russian R23 air to air missile ne giraya he
In some analysis I've also heard that IAF has always wanted to operate 2 distinct classes of 5-5.5 gen aircrafts the medium weight category requirement will be fulfilled by our AMCA but the heavy class would be best suited by the su-57, also by buying the su-57 aircrafts in limited numbers like 4-5 squadrons(with India specific modifications) will give us an access to the powerful and a potent izdeliye 30 engines as well as sensors for the su-30 mki fleet.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Absolutely correct. For now they should atleast buy 36 su57s
SU57 nahin lega, aur F35, F15 bhi nahin lega to agla 10 saal tabla bazayega?
Hamara airframe 2030 me pehley main aayega, due to efficiency of HAL!!!!
China is also acquiring SU57.
China is also acquiring SU57 , any news ? link
But we have the Rafael now
We are doing good in jets! If we invest more on our indigenous platforms we can achieve better than Russian or American! Tejas is example how great jets we can build, from low RCS (0.1-0.5msq²) to great manoverablity!! Jai Hind 🇮🇳❤️
One of the most informative channel on CZcams in Defence category.
mirage also has serviceability issue in 90s but now it is solved
Bhai mirage france ke h unke weapons ki realibility bhot acchi h russia se or russia ke weapons realibility kitni acchi h vo hm dekhte hi aare h
F-35s are no match to advanced SU 57.Remember,last year soviet era Mig 21 crushed advanced F 16 in mid air by Abhinandan! Russian jets are superior jets
Any proof 🤣. The tea is fantastic
@@jalaluddin1127 😂
So according to you India should buy MIG 21s> Russian planes are no match to american planes- the average kill ratio of USA : Russian aircrafts is 1:12, since 1960s according to a defense study.
@@ufindme Cost of 1 cup Pakistani tea = 1 Mig-21
@@jalaluddin1127 1 mig 21= 1 f16+it's dead pilot+ a free cup of tea
If china 🇨🇳 buys it Russia 🇷🇺 SU-57
Than india 🇮🇳 would understand what it has lost
Anyway ur words are also right correct jai hind bro 🤜
Not if China is talking with Russia to buy Su 57
India should buy s57. Amca will never never come very soon. Gap needs to be filled.
What ur saying has no sense the difference between 4rth and 5th gen is stealth which is not needed in a defensive war and anyways if u take a look at geography then even an old aircraft is enough and last point China's aircraft is nothing but a copy of Russian old aircraft's and heir fleet of j7 is nothing but mig 21 filling nearly whole of its fighter fleet
@@kaustubhchaudhary4322 how r u going to defend if u can't see the enemy
@@kaustubhchaudhary4322 Agreed SU 57 if not deployed well could end up being a white elephant
@@Pumpkinmountain stealth doesn't mean complete invisibility ..if you push stealth aircraft into a dogfight..their radar signature increases
Stealth only helps if you want to suprise your enemy..which is not possible.. because our Satellites and AWACS is alert
@@arghya4NE if this was the case then why are we buying s400s
su 57 is a gorgeous plane❣
Tu khareed le ghar pr saja kr rkh liyo
And that's why useless.
We need for wars not for memorials 🔥😁
to who all people say it is bad first see this situation of war USA will stop all supply to India and via nato will stop France to do that same who will come to help you then and then India will buy it more at expensive price to keep you idiots safe and then you will keep paying tax for recovering the amount. India is place of jugads so think cheap mig-21 lasted 60 years what else do you need more than the even the USA cannot guarantee.
@@BytesVsStrings Are you joking it is the only aircraft which can carry hypersonic weapons. No other aircrafts can do it.
IAF or Navy should take permission from you before they buy any aircrft
We should buy it . Amca will take time to develop. Till then it will give us superiority over china j20 , su35.
Bro loved every detail you said... And you are absolutely right about all negative points of this Fighter jet... There are also few more problems with this Su 57 which my one of cousin told me who is also serving in Our Air Force... I m telling you bro people will love your channel and will Subscribe your channel coz you have that to give what people want and need to see and hear... That's why I told you last month that I'll meet you and your team and we'll work together on some Very Good projects for Our Country... GOD bless you and your team and their families with lots of love and happiness and with good health and wealth...
🚩 JAI HIND 🚩🚩 VANDE MATARAM 🚩
Cuz it's fucking expensive and requires great amount of skill to handle a su 57 properly
After signing the deal with roles royace developing next gen fighter jet engine is just a matter of time. AMCA in the AERO INDIA 2021 has been an absolute show stopper. Every Indian must be proud of AMCA. We will do it and will do it better than the Commies.
Could you please add english subttles? in that way you can reach broader audience
Russia is INDIA all weather FRIEND . Kabhi dhoka nahi diya usne . Menoveriblty of Su 57 is unparalleled. India wil goona buy some plane for sure. India cannot ignore russia.
India should buy atleast 5 each 5th generation aircraft and understand the basic of a fighter aircraft! And indians scientists are good in reverse engineering
Great analysis once again 🤩❣🇮🇳
Very good video once again. U r getting better with every upload.
IAF needs to upgrade Su30 with AL41F & 400 km radar track range.
Only problem is the time it takes for DRDO to develop fully functional jet. The concept of LCA was developed in 1993 & It was inducted in the IAF in 2015 So imagine the time it took. Also unit cost is quite expensive for the home made jet. LCA Tejas which is like 4th or 4.5 gen jet costs about the same as SU57 which is 5th Gen ,so there is not much advantage in cost either.
India shall realise in last 16yrs no new fighter jet joined IAF, ofcourse we added 230 Su 30. Only in 2016 Modi Gov inked a deal for 36 Rafale not even one delivered by 2020. Our LCA project, paper tiger amca goes on and on for whatever reasons. So Fast move mmrca2 files and award contract to manufacture 144 Rafales in India. Beyond 2035 even Su would start retire. Make plan which fighter would replace them.
Good work bro ..
Each of these fighter aircraft looks absolutely stunning laced with the latest tech ....beautiful man made birds
We urgently need a deal for induction of Su57 variant with Indian specific enhancement
-It will deny advantage to Pakistan if they acquire Chinese stealth jets(they may acquire before induction of amca)
- to counter Chinese advantages as amca induction is at least 10 years away
-Su57 will become test bed for future technologies development for network centric warfare etc
-to remain close to Russian technical futuristic projects
Also it will counter air force's obsolete and technically and financially impossible demand for 42 squadron
Dude This Is The Only Aircraft That Can Dominate American F-22 India Should Buy This Aircraft
Edit:India Also Dont Have Any 5th gen aircraft
We are not fighting f 22 we are fighting pak and china(jf 17)
@@gamehacker2801 But India needs A 5th gen aircraft Becuz It will india plus point Against Pak and china
Watch from 4:26 save your time
Wonderful video. How is it in comparison to the F35 ?
Amca should also work on design of the jets , something like su 57 or f22
India invested some money in the development of Su57. India backed out as Russians were not including some changes that India asked. Moreover Russians were asking 6 billion dollars for technology transfer that MOD found that to be exorbitant. India already burnt its hand in getting Russian refurbished aircraft carrier. So memory was fresh. But I do not agree to your point of dog fighting capacity of Su57 as nobody does dog fighting any more. BVR settled that issue forever. You were appreciating F22 Raptor. Raptor production was stopped by USA. On the other hand USA put more money on F 35, why? F22 can play havoc against sub standard armed countries like Syria, Libya etc. Even it does not stand any chance against Iranian air defense.
We always thought that nobody is going to do dogfights anymore, but it always comes to that. American thought the same during the Vietnam war and we know where it went.. we even have a fresh example of the post balakot incident.. So, I agree that the air to air missiles are becoming advance these days, but so are the defence capabilities of the aircrafts.
And ultimately it all comes to the close combat.
So, Dogfights are not going anywhere pretty soon.
On stopping the production of F 22 Raptors... They are expensive aircrafts, they are good at what they do, but even USAF can't afford them in a very large number, due to the money on stake and the role they perform... So they went for a cheaper project, keeping in mind the affordability, that's why a single platform F 35 was chosen for Air Force, Navy and Marines version.. which itself led to certain problems which we will discuss some other day.
Keep up your awesome work buddy💖
Jai hind dosto 🇮🇳
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Wonderful explanation sir.You presented good amount of information in a very meaningful and effective way.I feel IAF must take note of your observation.Could you make a detailed program about how to accelerate Indias own fighter plane program with the help of private sector .Because HAL and ADA still long way to go to catch with western fighter planes.
We must make our own fighter jets.
How may years we will depend foreign countries 😣
India will creat AMCA in 2030 it's planned like this... I can bet not before 2040 , Induction. No country will ever give a platform like SU 57 to India . SU 57 for India is very important , it's a platform from which India will learn about its own AMCM program. We must in small Number almost 36 to 54 buy SU 57 for sure . And for mass number AMCA will be ready. If you want to compete with not only China but other countries too you yourself should know what a 5th generation Aircraft looks like . And having SU 57 in fleet will only Improve AMCA . I think we should Buy SU 57 but the deal should be of fully developed ones with advanced weapons package and Engine.
Please Answer me
Can / Will India integrate Mirage 2000 with Scalp and Meteor Missiles ? Scalp could be used to destroy chinese air defence and thus making way for Su 30 MKI , MiG 29 and Jaguar to maintain Air supremacy and bomb PLA Troops ? These weapons could be game changing
Scalp can be integrated on Mirage 2000 but meteor won't because the radar of M2000 is not optimum to take full advantage of Meteor. For Mirage 2000 France is making a new versiom of Mica called Mica NG. which would be best for M2000
@@cartmanbrah01 ok , thank you
Lol. 1st
By the way, your analysis is always great.
Really great analysis... I think this is the 1st Indian channel which has in depth content like this....
Why did you delete the promo video of this video?? Please upload that one more time.🙏🙏
If we want counter Chinese JF-20 india should have a fleet of Su-57..Indian pilots familiar with Russian Jets...
It took India almost 40 years to develop taj fighter jet and it is ongoing and regarding 5.5 gen jet's only god knows better buy SU-57 now and after 60 years India will have its 5.5 gen jet's
No major reason behind it was availability of engine
India should include all iits , with strong support financially, with a healthy competition between all IITs, with a promise to reward n recognition to the successful team for AMCA .
But india should buy su 57 about 25-35 jets becoz this help to build better amca. And india receiv first amca jet in 2030
@Margi 'S tejas mirage 2000 ke design par based h
@Margi 'S isse technology churana ni share karna kehte h
The SU-57 is still an unproven platform. It would be a better move to Deploy the more advances Mirage 4000 which can be used by the IAF and the Navy. The Mirage 4000 is still the most advanced platform in Asia and more of the these platforms will be of greater use to the IAF and Navy until India can bring its own 5th and 6th generation platform into use.
@Margi 'S Russian junk?Sale agar aisa hai toh China aur sab unke Fighters ka reverse engineering kyu kar rahe hai? Bhai tughe pata nahi tu kya bol raha hai.
@Margi 'S India nai isliye American engines Tejas mai use karne ka faisla liya kyuki Russians bahut bade engines banate hai jiski vajah se unki speed bahut bad jati hai. Abe sale tum log bhi na.
but what about buying around 25 su-57s for time being as amca looking far far away from getting into serial production?
I feel like this would be a su30mki replacement. But since it doesnt make sense to replace it, i dont see it fitting anywhere in the IAF.
Right question would be what is my budget.what are the alternatives and at what price?
This is as close to a F22 with a mach speed of mach 2
Well explained
We should Buy Sukhoi Su-33/35's & Mig 35's for Our Future Strength Capabilities💪⚔️🇮🇳🚩💯
Is it only me.....or there r others who feel the starting music depressing????😕😕
Yess
Thank you for speaking the truth.
Not many know had India not purchased SU 30 Mki from Russia in late 90s, Sukhoi Corp would have collapsed. The Russians never allowed India to even Assemble their planes, in case of SU 30 they allowed and result is that SU 30 assembled in India costs ₹ 100 Cr more then one supplied by Sukhoi. There is a CAG report on HAL.
Take Dassault aviation, IAF purchased its first jet fighter in 1950 from France and it came with full ToT that is HAL could Assemble planes and India imported some spares and ammunition from france.
Second comes Jaguar, same deal, then comes Mirage 2000 same deal, in fact had Indira Gandhi not acted like an ass. Dassault wanted to move entire production of Mirage 2000 to India in 1982. Because they were focussing on Rafale then.
Jump to Modi Govt deal with France for Rafale, Late Manohar Parrikar has cut a superb deal. The French Engine Maker Safran that powers both Rafale and Mirage has invested in our Kaveri engine project And India will soon have its own engine made in india. Note the word the French have invested reportedly close € 1 Billion in the project. This is first step towards powering all future projects.
MBDA the armament maker has also tied up.with India and will make the missles and other armaments in India thereby reducing the cost.
Thales the Radar and other electronic wArfare equipment maker has sub contracted many indian companies for work. BEL being on of them.
Moving forwArd India must follow the Parikkar plan that is Indian companies must get into the global supply chains of OEM.and then work on their own platforms.
Russia will never allow this. The Western nations will. Even China and Turkey have done the same thing = get into global supply chAins of OEM and now they are launching their own platforms.
This obsession with "DRDO Ne Ye Bana diya Wo bana diya" is not even funny anymore..
India has the worst DPSUs anywhere in the world. Arjun Tank, LCA Tejas are classic examples on how our DPSUs have reduced us as a joke.
Simple example India will import 98,000 Assault Rifles with bullets from the UAE yes the UAE!!!
One wonders what was the DRDO doing for all these years?
Excellent Video. Say no to Russian products because they sell same products to our enemy china.
I always thought that western equipments are always better. Thanx 4 the info👍🏽
Please make a comparison video on su-57 , f-35 lightning ll and Chengdu j-20
J20 is an fourth generation fighter while su57 and f35 are fifth generation there isn't a chance of comparison
Very informative and well explained. We should reduce our dependence on Russia as they have played dirty with us previously. Also buying aircrafts from one nation and weapons (for them) from another nation, causes problems with integration. We should stick to Rafales and locally produce them, such that weapon systems integration becomes easier. The last thing we need in a time of conflict, is to be held to ransom by a supplier like Russia.
Does Defense Matrix compete with Defense Squad?
One question though, how exactly GE 414 is a 5.5 Gen engine ?
If it's not, then why we are calling AMCA as a 5th + Gen aircraft with 4th Gen engine ?
F414 is a stop gap measure. It will only be on the first batch of AMCAs in the 2025-2027 period.
After 2027 we should have developed a new, high tech engine with higher thrust that will go on rest of AMCAs.
For that GTRE is working on a possible joint parternship with RollsRoyce, Saffran, GE or PnW. While at the same time, working on a non-kaveri, fresh design of a new indigenous engine for AMCA in house.
We are still inducting Tejas at a slower rate than JF-17s, they have nearly hundred. The Pakistanis may loose to us but their defense acquisition process is much better than us, they aim for achievable goals and get the weapons they need by purchase and modernization according to their limited budget. Our acquisition takes so long that there is new technology developed and then requirements are changed again thus delaying the purchase as seen with Tejas, what started as a basic MiG-21 got mission creeped and the requirements of the IAF kept increasing. The Pakistanis were pragmatic , they knew they lacked the technological and budgetary resources to build a high performance jet so instead of reinventing the wheel they partnered with China, got Russian engines , helped design the JF-17 and got Italian Radar and South African weapons thus operationalizing their planes and combat testing them while our Tejas is getting IOC and only now we are getting serial production. We tried building everything ourselves and yet we ended up with all the major parts being foreign in Tejas, only positive is we mastered Carbon fibre composite materials and some avionics, engine is American, avionics are Israeli and French, weapons are French, Israeli and Russian, radar is Israeli
we have to buy the SU 57 ..... This will help us learn lot for our own future development programs and also give us the edge needed for now!
NO!
Pretty good assessment of the need (or not) for India to buy this plane. . I though wonder if the AMCA will go the Tejas way and take forever to be operational. Probably tying up with another country like Israel could fast track this process .
The Chinese and Pakistanis agree with you, India should develop its own aircraft
Good analysis👍
Make a video on S 400 SAM system.
Appreciate your work.... No exaggeration simple explanation
Excellent job 👌
Make a video comparing AMCA ,TF-X,KF-X .
That's right Hal ke projects ko support karna chahiye apne scientist ka manobaal badhana chahiye it's time to choose made India product first that will boost India 💪💪🇮🇳🇮🇳
You cannot read one report and pass a judgement on Su57. Yes it has hit development and production hiccups but that happens with every advanced jet project. Also, India's own fifth gen fighter jet project won't go into production until 2030. Can we afford to wait that long? Earlier it was expected that IAF will receive major boost of 125 Rafale but now it's all in the dark. We need F-22s or Su57s, we need one of these, desperately.
while the indians debate whether to buy or not the SU57, the chinese quickly buy a few and copy and produce in hundreds and sell it to Pakistan....
Swami Vivekananda told that studying sanskrit is the only way to raise the condition of poor is by studying sanskrit, in 3 language policy, English, mother tongue and sanskrit are the 3 languages must be made compulsory,the children below 10 years are highly capable of learning
High time we should order 300-400 advance fighter jets so that we can easily defend our border against a joint chino pak attack..Govt can continue giving funds to our indigenous program. Heard one expert involved in amca team say that it will take atleast 8 years for Amca to be ready and to induct a sizeable number will take few years more..
If HAL failed to delivered again then we wont have any other choice other than to purchase it.
On the other hand purchasing 4-5 squads with full TOT would be great for future.
How long will it take to comition AMCA ? 20 years ?
India have to purchase su -57 on emergent basis due to China and Pakistan problem, although USA not giving f -35 to India , that's why su -57 is the only option , Amca will be ready after 10 years .
Bro we ll have to buy Su57, we have no other option. AMCA will take time no early to 2035 (operational, could be even more)
To counter J20 you need one stealth at least 2 squadron.
NO!
Sir why India pulled out itself from FGFA project
Maybe because we don't want to get stuck in Su 30MKI like deal.
Because we are LoL
@@DefenceMatrix i think we short of 100 numbers after all aircraft inducted so we should buy at list 3 or 4 sqd if TOT OR Revive FGFA FOR 2 seat if require.....
Defence Matrix ok
Because technology transfer was not up to indian expectation. Even the engine was not powerful enough. And India has always been complaining about Russian spares! And su57 is quite cheap to buy but not cheap to maintain, and service spare availability will be too low like other Russian stuff.....
Good video 👍
AND BTW TO ALL THOSE THE MORE WESTERN AIRCRAFT, YOU GO TO THE IMPERIAL SYSTEM CALCULATION HAVE TO BE DONE TO METRIC WHICH leads TO MORE PROBLEM. JUST GIVING YOU A BRIEF EXAMPLE REMEMBER THE AIR CANADA 767 IN CANADA ACCIDENT IT IS SAME WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
They should have it as 2nd amca backup like how us has f35
You know the problem with INDIA is buying things from foreign....our R&D is always under rated!
Indian made things are best... You know why BRAMHOS is so powerful.... because Kalam sir was also in the R&D...If INDIA strengthen it's R&D we will be best for sure.
Now come to the common man's mentality of Indians, that we always being happy with comparing us with Pakistan..it is such a small country....why should we compare ourselves with them....if you can't think big....how can you be great!
For IAF to concentrate on swadeshi planes is good but HAL are very slow at delivering these planes. I mean we only will be getting the Tejas MK2 in about 5 years time and AMCA in 2030. And if HAL would’ve hurried up a little bit faster then we wouldn’t have to ask Russia to supply us with more SU 30MKI’s and Mig 29’s for the Indian Chinese standoff in Ladakh.
Please give info on F35, is ut advantageous for India
Are you asking should India take F35?? well first thing is first F35 is for nato allies and only Japan and Korea. Can buy and as S400 will reach India it's not possible to take F35 anymore
India ko lena chahiye tha Fgfa, aaj India ke pas koi 5th generation jet ni hai aur amca bhot late aayega
Make a video on SR-71 blackbird.
I think we must purchase 2 squadrons, which are enough till the time we will have our own fighter jet. One thing I really hate about India is about budget issue. When I was doing the research work, I was asked to add the name of one foreign author to get the funding in research work. Other thing is that, in institutions everyone is so corrupt that they won’t use the funding for the research work and old equipment will be shown during the billing process. These are reasons for the failure of kaveri engine, still we donate have simulators and testing facilities for engines and fighter jet can’t be completed without indigenous engine.
Jab tak AMCA ready na ho jaye tab tak ke liye kya options rakhne chahiye ya ho sakte hain?
Your views???????
Jaisa chal Raha hai, wo Accha hai.. Rafale, MMRCA 2.0, Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk 2
we should surely go for SU-57... HAL AMCA gonna take hell lotbof time
I am not a defence analyst, but one thing is clear only America and Russia can produce fifth gen aircraft. Amca will take more than 15-20 years in mass production. After seeing Tejas. This long time is not good for national security. And even after one decade we start manufacturing amaca then it will take many years for production and induction in iaf. So we should look for buying 4-5 squadron of su 57 which will give experience in operating 5th gen aircraft and parallel focus on amca. When dragon is at our doorstep we cannot completely rely on only HAL. To produce Tejas and amca. Time is also important factor. We will take forever in amca.
Is it possible? 114 su57 as counter stealth by mmrca dealron and full focus on stealth amca.
Since su57 is not costly and May be a bit expensive than rafale
India is not fighting against West... It's against China... Their main fighter s are based on SU 27...
We don't have 30 years of time to make our own... We are already 12 squadron shorter and to counter J20 we need some thing good now...
Making our own is completely different ...
Is it just me or the AMCA rendering looks like a J 31(outside view , internals are certainly different)
Please post a video to tell us whether or not India should buy MiG 35.
Nothing bad SU57 with S400
Combo will Rattle the enemy
Of course AMCA on the Table ⚒️🚀🏋️♥️
I think we need to work out a mechanism to jointly develop our 5th generation aircraft with Dassault Aviation. We have been very happy with the performance of Mirage 2000 & i think the same will hold true for Rafale. By God's grace we have good relations with France which we need to exploit further for the benefit of both our countries.
How effective and efficient will this 5.5 gen indigenous developed aircraft be Given the the track and success rate of indigenous developed Lca tegas?
Totally support ur argument India backed out because of non modular engine which would have hampered operatebility n radar su57 is still upgrade of su35 not a different patform