Token Talk - EDH Archetypes | The Command Zone 68
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We’re covering all aspects of tokens in EDH in our new archetype series. We’ll be breaking down the archetype’s versatility, uses, potential commanders, and more!
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Hey Josh & Jimmy. Matt here. Ben and I had just recorded an episode when another producer here (Tyler Klang) put us onto this video. First of all, many thanks for the kind words and shoutout. Second, I've been playing MTG since 4th edition and can't wait to start listening to TCZ on a regular basis. Tyler just explained his Momir + Aluren + Edric et al + Craterhoof EDH combo to me -- I can't wait to see it in action. You guys rock! Thanks again!
Stuff They Don't Want You To Know - HowStuffWorks Haha! How awesome is that? Big fan of your show! Hopefully at some point we can figure out a way to sling some spells.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! For real?!!
That's awesome, I'm looking forward to your current project!
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Bumping this cause it still needs to happen
i didn't realize how good ghave is with abzan.... put out small things, bolster/outlast, convert the counters to creaturs, bolster, convert to creatures, bolster...
the thing about token generators that are creatures is that they combo very well with intruder alarm, which is one of my favourite combo enablers
STILL WAITING FOR THAT DOUBLING SEASON REPRINT 😫
Kien Truong it happened! reviewing this and building slimefoot!
Still waiting
It happened again! lol
I am obsessed with your podcast! Thank you so much for providing consistently awesome content for EDH players!!!
I love Marath as my tokens commander because he fixes that issue of ratios you were talking about around 68:00. Oh, I have a hand of all anthems? Sweet. I'll just use all my mana on my opponent's end step to make a bunch of Tokens from Marath, drop some anthems and swing :) Always having a token generator is amazing.
Sometimes I watch the command zone before bed, so I dream of magic.
One of my favorite ways to play a token deck is with Grand Warlord Radha. She doesn't make tokens, but I guess she "exploits" them by basically turning all of your attacking creatures into pseudo mana dorks, adding to your mana pool.
This can get out of hand quickly if you make a bunch of tokens, swing with said tokens, generate a bunch of mana, and either in or after combat sinking that mana into huge creatures/spells, or do some cheeky tricks mid-combat to catch your opponents off-guard. You can even pair her with Savage Ventmaw and Hellkite Charger for infinite combat steps! I'm a total Gruul fanboy, and Radha can have some absolutely explosive turns.
You guys should do a series of how to combat opponent strategies, like a "how to stop _____ decks" be it token or life gain or whatever, that would be super neat
My personal favourite token generator is Wolfbriar Elemental. I use it in a casual Overrun deck and also in my Omnath EDH deck. Doubling Season, Primal Vigor, Parallel Lives... Together with the stored mana by Omnath - > Wolfbriar Elemental :-)
Thank you sir for using parallel evolution. I have used it since it came out.. Except I used squuiirrrels haha
It wasn't EDH, but I once made 500,000,000 tokens at once, each with 500,000,000 power and toughness. I won that game :3
What combo?
@@mikeforgie1147 I would imagine sporemound+ life and limb plus coat of arms
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That game would be a draw since Sporemound is a mandatory ability, thus resulting in an unbreakable loop.
My guess is Hydra Broodmaster combined with any infinite Mana combo (there are a few, pick one ^^)
@@cronchable sporemound & life and limb loop can be broken. I can see there being a hydra broodmaster combo though I have a hydra deck with an infinite mana combo.
@@mikeforgie1147 I have a deck that runs assemble the legion, 3 doubling season, four copies of paradox haze, cathars crusade and mycoloth. Play paradox haze so u have multiple upkeep then play assemble the legion then play doubling season. Within like two or three turn u have a couple hundred soldiers on the field. Play cathars crusade then play mycoloth kill all your soldiers which then gives gives mycoloth a couple thousand counters which he creates saporlings equal to the amount of counters on him on your upkeep. Paradox haze then activates multiple upkeep which triggers mycoloth several times which activates doubling season which activates cathars crusade all in one turn for almost infinite tokens. If u also have an elvish mystic on the field u gain infinte life
Krenko and Primordial hydra are exponential growth functions in card form.
Finally committing to building an *Ulasht the Hate Seed* deck. Step one was coming back to this vid.
I love Rhys, and run him in paper! I find him to be a very strong-but-fair commander, as the lack of red usually means that while you can make strong plays, your opponents will be able to at least see them coming. A great commander without a lot of the feel-bads that are attatched to so many others!
My current list is here: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-05-15-rhys-the-redeemed-edh/ (there are a few changes in the works.)
Tana the bloodsower with ravos soultender is an amazing partner pair from C16 for tokens
I've seen someone run Hazezon where they removed or phased him BEFORE the warriors came in so he wasn't on the battlefield and the sand warriors are not removed from the game! I don't remember the details but it was pretty slick.
Michael Castorano Yes there are some interesting rules interactions with the timing of the when the tokens come into play.
My commander:
Ghoulcaller Gisa - 3/4 - 3BB
Legendary Creature - Human Wizard
B, T, Sacrifice another creature: Put X 2/2
black Zombie creature tokens onto the battlefield, where X is the
sacrificed creature's power.
Support cards:
Equipment
Illusionist Bracers (double)
Thornbite Staff (untap trigger)
Deathrender (Death trigger free creatures)
Lashwrithe (Pump = swamps you have)
Loxodon Warhammer (pump, trample and lifegain in black)
Empyrial Plate (pump in a color that draw tons of cards)
Nim Deathmantle (death trigger reanimate)
Artifacts
Rings of Brighthearth (double)
Whip of Erebos (lifegain and reanimate)
Ashnod's Altar (Sac outlet and comob piece)
Enchantments
Gravepact/Dictate of Erebos/Butcher of Malakir (creature but same idea)
There are more cards I didn't share, but look at those.
Paul Gaither I
I like devout invocation tried it in the original build for my nahiri deck when I cast someone in green boardwipe the flyers and I had like 20 angels die was sad. I rebuilt the deck to more token centric and themed so im hoping it gets more value
Mosswart bridge + avenger of zendikar + panharmonicon + strionic resonator + altar of the brood + anointed procession(or any token doubler) = crazy amounts of dudes and mil
I love altar of the brood. I beat so many decks with it in my saproling decks. Especially with Mycoloth.
Raise the Alarm is an Instant too!
A favorite moment of mine. I'm playing a Derevi deck with squirrels. I'm playing against a Meren Deck and a Zur Deck. I end my turn with a squirrel nest and enough mana to play Derevi's second ability. Meren board wipes, ends turn. I pop the squirrel nest then play Derevi. I've got Cathar's Crusade so everybody is getting bigger. I've got Doubling Season so they are getting REALLY big. Zur goes, attacks me, I block with Derevi. On my turn, I play Derevi again and swing at Meren with lethal damage. I drop a Bane of Progress, and Zur scoops.
Burn at the Stake should have been on here! It may not be repeatable, but tapping 20 tokens and then dealing 60 damage to someone is amazing. I love it in my Krenko deck.
juicy episode
guardian seraph with proc red destroys goblin bombardment so well. Though that would just mean the token deck would have to kill you first by swinging wide and everyone else with the sac of the tokens
I used Tuskcaller in my derevi empyrial tactician deck. Since it came with the deck it allowed me to swing out, lose 3-4 guys then hit with 4-5 1/1's, Because i had Derevi out it allowed me to put each untap on the stack and allowed me to activate the tuskcaller for each time i hit the opponent.
moonlandersgames We didn't mean to imply that Tuskcaller is a bad card. We meant to say that it requires a different kind of mechanic (cards that untap your creatures) than most token decks apply. You're example of Derevi is actually a good example of this because Derevi is not usually a "token" general.
Josh Lee Kwai Sorry if i sounded harsh, As said in the video it is a good card to "Gum up the ground" and in my control commander deck it was perfect for. I just wanted to share how i used the card in my deck :)
moonlandersgames Oh no not all. I didn't think you sounded harsh :-)
Main topic starts at 00:02:28.
Blue has token copies of creatures in play, hardly weak ;)
i love my darien, king of kjeldor deck. i get soldier babies when i get hurt and if no one wants to hurt me i hurt myself and gain life back to compensate :D then anthem anthem anthem swing and win. is nice :3
Darien is epic just a tad of a high drop but this is commander after all. 6 mana on turn 3 or you suck lol.
Hey Command Zone, in these earlier videos where do you find these moving wallpapers for your earlier videos. Thanks
love it
Coat of arms is sweet. It's great I run it in my Krenko deck.
It is also great in Ghoulcaller Gisa, which makes zombies eaqual to the sacrificed creature's power.
A single sacrificed 2/2 makes two 3/3's.
Sac a 3/3 (1 left) to make a total of four 5/5's.
Sac a 5/5 (4 left) to make a total of nine 10/10's.
Sac a 10/10 (9 left) to make a total nineteen 20/20's.
That gets you from a single 2/2 to nineteen 20/20 zombies with four uses of the commander. This can be done in one turn if you have Thornbite Staff equipped. This is not magical Christmas Land. this is just another day in mono black good stuff. A color with lots of ramp, card draw, tutors, and control elements to set stuff like this up.
Same my Krenko deck is almost done just need a purphoros
I can't wait til my Rith arrives! :) Ive built Slimefoot as my first EDH deck so i already have the great doublers and saproling producers. and all the thallids :)
oh yeah and Krenko should arrive tomorrow! my doubling decks are semi depressing now tho, since i use them as an example to explain how Covid-19 is. Its like Rith mono green on steroids
The art of selvala standing on a cliff gargoyle thing makes me nervous
when will you guys do the top 10 best blue cards?
To share my carzy Craterhoof Behemoth story: I once played one when I had both Trostani and a Bramble Sovereign out. I stacked the ETB triggers so that I would first create a token copy of Craterhoof Behemoth before it pumped my team. Then with both pump triggers on the stack I populated the token Craterhoof for three Craterhoofs and their corresponding pump triggers. Needless to say my team was HUGE and I won the game :D
brings to mind my omnath the cluster bomb deck...make a ton of elemental tokens...light the fuse..please boardwipe
I run a Gahiji, Honored One Token deck, and Assemble the legion and Luminarch Ascension goes nuts with Doubling Season. Just saying.
You can use sliver queen as a 5 color token commander
I want to it would be badass but man its expensive
just saw this today and was wondering- where is doubling Season?
How often do you reply to emails?
My first deck was purphoros,tokens
I love Trostani, cause she can pump out dudes and lifegain. When you gain so much life having pharexian processor late game is so much better, having 500 life sacrifice 300, then cast 300/300 creature and gain the life back or more with doubling season, parallel lives, ext.
Trostani is my favorite. I love using Phyrexian Processor with her. It's even better with Panharmonicon.
Yeah me too, definitely one of my favorites
It's been asked already, but Top Ten Blue? I subscribed because of how much I liked the other videos.
Justin Streeter Thanks for subscribing! And look for that Top 10 Blue episode to drop soon.
Josh Lee Kwai Good luck with that! Blue is such a powerful color, how do you choose?
But here's my ten cents
Value creatures:
Consecrated Sphinx
Clever Impersonator / Phyrexian Metamorph
Protective creatures:
Glen Elendra Archmage
Kira, Great Glass Spinner
Combo creatures:
Deadeye Navigator
Fatestitcher / Puppeteer
Pestermite / Deceiver Exarch
Finishers:
Cyclonic Rift
Blatant Thievery
Archetype of Imagination / Torrent Elemental
Funny cards:
Perplexing Chimera
Illusory Gains
And finally, the counter-spells they won't see coming:
Trickbind / Stifle
Eliya Selhub You forgot Storm Crow...
I love Oviya Pashiri as a commander because not only are you growing wide, you also get to grow tall.
What no homarid spawning bed? Night soil?
What category would Zada go into?
I believe its something like if you fold a piece of paper in half 50 times it'll be as tall as a sky scraper.
Richard Suplee A skyscraper. The distance to the moon. Same difference :-P
could be a with a couple more folds. It does increase exponentially. although the record only gets a piece of paper a couple of feet before it is unfoldable.
Isn't there a maximum number folds? Iirc 8x
omg did you say lets not worry about devour??? that is the best thing to spend tokens on as a currency!!! You ever witnessed Mycoloth or Bloodspore Thrinax gobble up 10 saprolings followed by any other creature in existence?? lol that should have been the main thing to discuss in the topic when you talked about what to use the tokens for ;p
i havent finished the video yet.. hopefully i didnt jump the gun :p im at exploiters now
"Token Exploiters"
-thinks of Sidisi immediately.
Stupid questions coming, but do I have to register on TapedOut.com if I want to possibly hear about Deck Doctoring my deck?
Earthcraft+Squirrel Nest. Infinite squirrels.
You have not mentioned Marath, who generates tokens, an can pump also, why is that? Is he/she/it too weak or what? I personally really like marath as commander, very versatile.
vereskoma We just didn't have time to talk about every card that is good in token decks. There are thousands of them afterall.
But then you're creating mattering if you make a paper expand. Oh well on theme I guess
Any Prossh players with some spicy tech we should know about?
I found that evolutionary leap profoundly over performed in a token or go wide deck
this isn't really important to anything, but I just noticed that Prossh has sacrifice misspelled as sacrafice.
Sovereignwind if you look carefully, that Prossh card is a Proxy/Home Made card, and is not the actual card...not sure why Command Zone used a card made from MTG Cardsmith which is a website to make your own cards...
What are these name referencing. Like the spike and the jony and timmy? its killling me man, I NEED TO KNOW!! ahaha.
+Mr. Soulguy They're a concept that was created by MtG's card design team. Essentially, players are generally Spikes (players looking to win), Johnnys (players looking to use cool combos or interactions), and Timmys (players looking to use big, flashy cards) or some combination of the above. Or some combination of the above; I'm a Timmy with some Spikish tendencies, for example. All I want in life is to throw dragons at your face until you stop moving. I'm going to try to find relatively efficient ways to do that so that I don't just lose because I'm running monored dragon tribal, but ultimately I'm all about the big spells.
+Mr. Soulguy lmgtfy.com/?q=Timmy+Johnny+Spike
Kestral287 this is a great description im a jonny (great cause my name is Jon) and i love to make big mana to play all the cards at once and expiriment with interactions but i do some very timmy things like putting a card i know is less than ideal but it combos with my commander in a wierd way that i really really want to resolve just cause it sounds like a good way to have fun.
Primal Vigor i would argue is better than Doubling Season. For the most part its a build around that you will be getting the most out of it. more than any of your opponents will. Plus its political. People are reluctant to destroy something that benefits them too whereas Doubling Season it a heat score and places target on your back. I play both but Primal Vigor is by and far the better card in most circumstances.
The interesting thing about Primal is it doubles only +1/+1's meanwhile Doubling Season doubles all counters, meaning if someone were to put 3 -1/-1's on your creatures it doubles that to 6. But due to rule technicalities Loyalty on Planeswalkers are treated as counters so as they enter the board. So Doubling Season essentially doubles your initial Loyalty count on them, allowing a lot of Planswalkers to instantly ULT when they enter the field allowing for some nasty things. The only problem with this the the Loyalty Abilities such as their +1 to their loyalty count if 'you do this' does not double because this is technically a cost, and the counters aren't being put "onto" the Walker.
Except a good player will know they wont get the same value from primal vigor as the deck that played it and will still take it out
I agree to a certain degree only because.... Parallel evolution and primal vigor with blood seeker & suture priest.
Parallel evoulution doubles all tokens and you can flashback.
Suture priest and blood seeker drain life when creatures enter the battlefield under opponents control.
Token rocky Mountain high haha
Nobdy ever plays sacred mesa :p
Do Tibor and Lumina for your 69th episode.
Harsh Sentence
Harsh sustenance?
New MTG goal: Have 1582 tokens
i have a surrak edh and I'd be honored of you guys would tell me your thoughts on it so far. i'm still upgrading it tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-07-15-surrak-dragonclaw-edh/
It's 42 times, if you fold a piece of paper in half 42 times it will reach the moon. Though you can't, personally, fold a piece of paper more than 7 times.