The Tudor Black Bay 58 is the Biggest Bargain in Watchmaking | Watchfinder & Co.

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  • In 2017, Bremont introduced its new diver, the Supermarine S301. At 40mm and adorned with tidy little details, it presents a budget entry to the premium dive watch market at a little under £3,000. It’s a fine watch, if that’s what you want, well-built and well-spec’d. But what’s that got to do with the Tudor Black Bay 58?
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  • @watchfinder
    @watchfinder  Před 9 měsíci

    We know you want more watches…. click here: linktr.ee/watchfinder

  • @SpaghettiKillah
    @SpaghettiKillah Před 4 lety +539

    4:42 When the Tudor showed up and the dials were side by side it was like goin from 480p tv to *1080p FULL HD* 😂

    • @pingwong117
      @pingwong117 Před 4 lety +23

      Press F for the Bremont

    • @Nayr747
      @Nayr747 Před 4 lety +26

      The Tudor has raised markers but a shitty aluminum bezel vs the Bremont's far superior ceramic bezel.

    • @MattVLRocks
      @MattVLRocks Před 4 lety +28

      @@Nayr747 the BB58 nods to the past where bezels were aluminium. Ceramic is something of the modern era

    • @Nayr747
      @Nayr747 Před 4 lety +8

      @@MattVLRocks Which is fine, but there's no denying aluminum isn't as high quality of a material as ceramic so that adds some justification to the Bremont's price and makes the Tudor less of a bargain by comparison. Even so, the Bremont is still overpriced compared to all the sub $500 watches out there with ceramic bezels, ETA movements, domed AR sapphire crystals, etc.

    • @Retro_Yak
      @Retro_Yak Před 4 lety +24

      @@Nayr747 when you ding your Al bezel it'll be dinted and scratched. When you ding your ceramic bezel it'll chip or shatter. The colour may fade over time but really "quality" is only relative.

  • @wvlfboyy
    @wvlfboyy Před 4 lety +472

    "to get somewhere, you need to be at least somewhat decent..."
    Yet Daniel Wellington exists

    • @riskis1793
      @riskis1793 Před 4 lety +49

      MVMT 😒

    • @MrCliteatswood
      @MrCliteatswood Před 4 lety +10

      Christopher Ward 🤢

    • @mathijs1144
      @mathijs1144 Před 4 lety +44

      @@MrCliteatswood what's wrong with Christopher ward?

    • @DM-rc4yu
      @DM-rc4yu Před 4 lety +37

      @@mathijs1144 Nothing. It's a brand that is "cool" to hate. Talking shit about the logo makes you more knowledgeable or something.

    • @rayleeaustralia
      @rayleeaustralia Před 4 lety +9

      Daniel who?

  • @benprice7315
    @benprice7315 Před 4 lety +8

    I’m glad somebody has finally done this comparison video. Also highlighting the many key points as to why the Tudor black bay is an essential watch to have in any collection.

  • @thecommenter578
    @thecommenter578 Před 4 lety +578

    Did this man just referenced Shrek's green ketchup from the 2000's?? He's certainly a man of culture

    • @VanIsleNuckFan
      @VanIsleNuckFan Před 4 lety +6

      This has nothing to do with Shrek...well that took 30 seconds of my life...time well spent.

  • @DanyboyS7
    @DanyboyS7 Před 4 lety +713

    the fact that the Tudor exist for that price clearly shows that rolex watches are absurdly overpriced

    • @michaelbishop9157
      @michaelbishop9157 Před 4 lety +120

      most luxury watches are absurdly overpriced. At least with Rolex you get value retention

    • @gregsolovieff6711
      @gregsolovieff6711 Před 4 lety +49

      Michael Bishop If buyers are willing to pay for an item, the item isn’t overpriced for them.

    • @michaelbishop9157
      @michaelbishop9157 Před 4 lety +1

      @@gregsolovieff6711 yes all market driven hence Rolex have the premium

    • @davidhinde3229
      @davidhinde3229 Před 4 lety +36

      yea but u can wear a rolex for 5 years and sell it for what you bought it for; therefore not losing a penny.

    • @gregsolovieff6711
      @gregsolovieff6711 Před 4 lety +6

      Jimbob Saveloy If/when I buy a Rolex, I doubt I’ll sell it ( unless a change in circumstances absolutely necessitated a sale). It would be considered an appreciated/appreciating asset.

  • @Michael-rc9qh
    @Michael-rc9qh Před 4 lety

    Excellent video and how these two watches compare. I bought my son a BLACK BAY 58 after Christmas in IOWA on the bracelet. We have vintage watches, but this is his every day wearer.He loves this watch and can not believe the quality,fit and just how beautiful the 58 is. Simply stunning.

  • @cianmurphy52
    @cianmurphy52 Před 4 lety

    Macro shots in this video are incredible (let's not mention HH quality, this feels better).
    I've had a 58 for more than a year now and it never gets old. On bright days I love just looking at every square mm of the dial. The texture on the black is so nice, your video highlights it perfectly...

  • @pappasmurf64
    @pappasmurf64 Před 4 lety +8

    I've had my BB58 for a month now, after a 9 week wait for delivery to my AD in the UK, and I absolutely love the thing. Perfect size for my small wrist. With a new in house Tudor movement and great looks to match it represents very good value for money in my opinion.

  • @David_from86
    @David_from86 Před rokem +7

    I love my BB58! I purchased it as my Planet Ocean has become irritating to wear over recent years due to its shear size. I purchased the Planet Ocean when I was much younger when bigger was better! I just love the simplicity of the BB58 and the fact that I forget I’m wearing it. I also like the fact it’s understated.

  • @TheRausing1
    @TheRausing1 Před 4 lety +26

    Worn my black bay for about 1 year, literally never taken it off in that time. Absolutely love it, has kept my Sea Dweller off my wrist since I got it.

  • @jbbrabant
    @jbbrabant Před 4 lety +3

    Another great video. Thanks! I own 2- Tudors & I’m thrilled with them. My favourite is the GMT Pepsi.

  • @CalvinJWong
    @CalvinJWong Před 4 lety +173

    I got my 58 about 3 weeks ago. It hasn’t left my wrist... Love it.

    • @pnselenne4819
      @pnselenne4819 Před 4 lety +3

      It is a great watch! Enjoy.

    • @theparkerstudio
      @theparkerstudio Před 4 lety

      Congratulations -- one of my favorite watches of all time.

    • @Di0428
      @Di0428 Před 4 lety

      congratulations Calvin. what is the MSRP on it? thanks.

    • @aaronwpaterson
      @aaronwpaterson Před 4 lety

      @calvin, I’ve had mine just over a week. Did you also get the warranty extensions ?

    • @noobzrule
      @noobzrule Před 3 lety

      @@sidesauce Cause it uses 904L steel which is more comfortable than 316L

  • @klauserji
    @klauserji Před 4 lety +128

    01:30 a.m
    "I should sleep"
    *watchfinder youtube notification
    Well... i can sleep later

  • @elee3360
    @elee3360 Před 4 lety

    Bought a black bay 58 several months ago with your help of your videos. Loving the watch! Thanks!!

  • @Sand_Tigger
    @Sand_Tigger Před 4 lety

    I knew I'd made the right choice when I got my 58 but your video helped to remind me.
    Excellent camera work by the way.

  • @patrickkinsey9548
    @patrickkinsey9548 Před 4 lety +3

    Just picked up a Black Bay Bronze (2016) new in box. Very excited!! Will get down before Christmas for the Black Bay Steel (Red Bezel)with bracelet.

  • @s.bornand5424
    @s.bornand5424 Před 4 lety +4

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - your videos are top drawer. Absolute gems optically and additionally your way with words is both captivating and exciting. You're a master at making time pieces seem even more significant than we already think they are. Your stories are intricately woven into the information you want to deliver and overall your content is just exceptional!!! THANK YOU!!!

  • @TheStreetTennis
    @TheStreetTennis Před 3 lety +2

    Bought a Tudor BB58 Blue and absolutely love it! Did an extensive research and it's really one of the best watches on the market right now .

  • @marcwilliams9285
    @marcwilliams9285 Před 4 lety +2

    spot on review. i have a BB GMT and my friend has a 58. the 58 is so much nicer in the flesh than it looks on camera. anyone who is thinking about getting one but hasn't seen one in real life just order one they are beautiful.

  • @markgill8444
    @markgill8444 Před 4 lety +80

    Had the fortune to try these back to back last week. My head said Tudor, but my heart said Bremont. But the vintage inspired dive watch that I'll be going for... The Rado Captain Cook. Not even close to either of these watches, but there's just something about it that captivates me. Vintage done right.

    • @markgill8444
      @markgill8444 Před 4 lety +10

      ​@O BOZ Must be in the minority, but seeing a BB58 for the first time after 2 years of hype was a bit of a disappointment. It's a fantastic watch, but just didn't wear that well on my small wrist due to the flat case shape. The BB36 on the other hand wore so much better. Another underrated watch.

    • @michaelrimmer338
      @michaelrimmer338 Před 4 lety +4

      I’ve got the BB58 but am looking at the Captain Cook too. Looks great for the price

    • @Want300
      @Want300 Před 4 lety +2

      I feel like I have read this before... I was literally about to link this video in your post on UGWC

    • @markgill8444
      @markgill8444 Před 4 lety

      @@Want300 😆 did you get a sense of deja vu? I couldn't believe when this video came up yesterday.

    • @markgill8444
      @markgill8444 Před 4 lety

      @O BOZ it was for me. Urban Gentry Watch Club (ugwc) Facebook group. I put up a post last week comparing these 2 watches (well, the S300, but close enough).

  • @G1CHO
    @G1CHO Před 4 lety +8

    I'm very lucky enough to have a Milgauss (I like it) and the Harrods Black bay and honestly, I find myself wanting to wear the Black bay more and more. I still love the Milgauss but the black bay just does something for me that the Milgauss can't. My only gripe is the bracelet, it isn't as comfortable as the Rolex bracelet. The BB is also a shit load more accurate. 4 seconds in 1 week against the 15 for the Milgauss. My 2 pence worth.

  • @mrsrandommademedoit3387
    @mrsrandommademedoit3387 Před 3 lety +2

    great watch, love the smaller size of the 58.. but after wearing both the new and the older model.. i had to go with the first release.. the smily dial and tudor rose.. just looks perfect its completes this watch. the eta movement is fine, and can be serviced by anyone for next to nothing.. when the movement is not a piece of art like an ap, jlc, fp journe, a lange and sohne or patek.. i think the rest of the watch matters more than the movement... thats what im looking at all day

  • @city_hawk
    @city_hawk Před 4 lety

    Love your channel and voice tone narrative. Could you do a video on military watches? Thanks and keep up the good work!

  • @Bogart1980
    @Bogart1980 Před 4 lety +9

    Two years in and I’ve yet to see one in person.

  • @paulblakey4589
    @paulblakey4589 Před 4 lety +10

    Great video, I love my Bremont . Great design, toughened steel case, super accurate and many more great features.

  • @Odat
    @Odat Před 4 lety +1

    I think the best bargain chrono today is the Breitling Navitimer 01, especially on the preowned market. A brilliant design, a legend, a classic and to top it off, an in house vertical clutch, column wheel movement!.

  • @michaelyeung2126
    @michaelyeung2126 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for the great info! I've got mine today!! Super happy!!

  • @CJ-rb3do
    @CJ-rb3do Před 4 lety +23

    One of the best videos in a long time Mr. Hand. I am no fan of The Bremont brand. Everything about the English brothers seems "car salesman-like," but that is a freaking nice piece. However, next to the Tudor, one has to ask .... why so expensive? why! On, the other hand - the Tudor BB58 is absolute perfection, from price to style to movement to...everything.

    • @chelious1973
      @chelious1973 Před 4 lety +4

      C J. Not perfection. That Aluminum bezel sure can be improved.

    • @rhino202
      @rhino202 Před 4 lety

      It is pretty, looks a bit like a Blancpain from a distance

    • @CJ-rb3do
      @CJ-rb3do Před 4 lety

      C. chelious agree. But, for that price? Impressive, no?

  • @Eric_Nielsen
    @Eric_Nielsen Před 4 lety +5

    Agreed. I have the BB58 (and Panerai, and Omega) and it has me rethinking the whole Submariner wait-list thing.

    • @whereRbearsTeeth
      @whereRbearsTeeth Před 4 lety +1

      Eric Nielsen, submariner is a whole other level. Trust me, it’s worth the wait.

  • @mars7726
    @mars7726 Před 4 lety

    Great video. Very informative and useful. I'm always entertained by this content.

  • @ernestokling
    @ernestokling Před 4 lety +2

    @watchfinder can you make a video around the topic of how Rolex seems to be throwing Tudor against Omega in order to differentiate and upclass Rolex sport line.

  • @kaiserw3177
    @kaiserw3177 Před 4 lety +31

    The macro shot at 1:03 tells me everything I need to know from this watch. It's not a buy...

    • @ProfessorPesca
      @ProfessorPesca Před 2 lety

      So scrappy. The lume application is absolute garbage.

  • @steverushaw8761
    @steverushaw8761 Před 4 lety +18

    The BB58 is the best watch Tudor have made in 20 years.
    It wears so much better than the slab like BB’s
    It’s a classic with a nod to the original Submariner.

    • @phmwu7368
      @phmwu7368 Před 4 lety +1

      Agreed for the 2012 version with Tudor Rose logo !

  • @andygardner9219
    @andygardner9219 Před 4 lety

    Fabulous video. Again!!! One of the very best channels out there.

  • @adibee88
    @adibee88 Před 3 lety

    My favorite bargain watch is the one I currently own and wear everyday!
    The Tudor Reference 79230R; mounted on the Tudor textile strap and perfect for the summer weather, 24/7!

  • @TopSecretVid
    @TopSecretVid Před 4 lety +28

    The Bremont is a bit over priced...I see some flaws in the close up shots..

  • @mdhammad69
    @mdhammad69 Před 4 lety +85

    Truly a remarkable watch, I've added one to my collection early 2019 and when I wear it I can't help but smile every time I look at my wrist. I'm still praying that Tudor will one day make a Black Bay 58 GMT 🙏.

    • @megamastah
      @megamastah Před 4 lety +3

      Ditto, 58 GMT (traveler's GMT) would be perfect.

    • @WatchSociety
      @WatchSociety Před 4 lety +2

      Mahmood Hammad 58 GMT is good shout.

    • @captlove8788
      @captlove8788 Před 4 lety +3

      I’m in 58 GMT camp.

    • @steelstunners1862
      @steelstunners1862 Před 4 lety +2

      👍🏻

    • @dirtyhipstergolf8412
      @dirtyhipstergolf8412 Před 4 lety +5

      @mahmood hammad my money is we will see at least one more Black Bay 58 whenever they release the Baselworld watches. They’ve put too much money into the in house movement not to make more. Could be the GMT. But my bet is on more colors in the meantime.

  • @materialstwit
    @materialstwit Před 4 lety

    Excellent video. One of the best you’ve done. And from Maidstone too 👏👏👏

  • @ardie554
    @ardie554 Před 4 lety

    Damn, love your videos... such a fine way to get the day started.
    Soothing!

  • @MJHiteshew
    @MJHiteshew Před 4 lety +12

    This channel is one of the best things on CZcams. So nice to hear refreshing non-biased commentary.
    Came back to add - those printed markers on the Bremont are horrid.

    • @Doggieman1111
      @Doggieman1111 Před 4 lety +2

      Look up who owns Watchfinder and you'll find there's nothing non-biased out there ;)

  • @antonioferreira2996
    @antonioferreira2996 Před 4 lety +9

    Longines hydroconquest ceramic 2018, 41mm same movement as the Bremont, a very good brand, 1400€ almost 3 times less money.

    • @perplex103
      @perplex103 Před 4 lety +2

      @Marcquise White watchfinder called them the best value swiss brand you can buy right now, so believe whoever you want

    • @antonioferreira2996
      @antonioferreira2996 Před 4 lety +1

      I had all 6, 41 and 43 mm, black, blue and gray in my hand and the quality seems good. Not Rolex or Omega quality, but for the price... The best bang for your buck.

  • @michelangekatende995
    @michelangekatende995 Před 4 lety +1

    Your videos are mind blowing. You're the best at doing watches reviews

  • @1afrosnow
    @1afrosnow Před 4 lety

    I always enjoy your reviews. I would like you to talk about the Ulysse Nardin Mega Yacht. Thanks

  • @sionose1492
    @sionose1492 Před 4 lety +107

    When the Tudor showed up , it was game over !

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 Před 4 lety +5

      The tudor has a steel bezel does it not?
      And the Bremont has a ceramic bezel does it not?
      I have used my Bremont on some of the roughest dives and it is still working like new and it is several years old. While the Tudor is great for those that cannot buy a Rolex it would never be the first choice as a genuine hard diver.

    • @sarahmcmahon1045
      @sarahmcmahon1045 Před 4 lety +1

      Tudor is Rolex Homage watches with no history

    • @bighands69
      @bighands69 Před 4 lety +1

      @James Tudor
      I would never take a steel bezel watch over ceramic coating.
      Rolex use ceramic on their dive watches and Tudor is for people that cannot afford a Rolex but want a Rolex.
      My Bremont diver has stood the test of time and has taken a lot of abuse. My grandfathers post ww2 Rolex still looks great and I know that will never be the case with cheap Tudors.

    • @torontowatches9709
      @torontowatches9709 Před 4 lety +2

      @James Tudor I don't own neither, but the Tudor is really overhyped, cheap steel bezel, cheap fake rivet bracelet, gold plating, good in house movement but no finish to it Breitling made it even better by decorating it and finishing it. ETA2892 and 2824 ARE legends especially Chronometre thats why superior brands like Breitling IWC and others use them. This video again more hype on Tudor to sell, they're just ok, Rolex Homages since Hans bought the brand and that will never change.

    • @larry4789
      @larry4789 Před 3 lety +3

      @@bighands69 I have this Bremont in blue, it's the only ceramic bezelled watch I have.
      The bezel and the sunburst dial are stunning.

  • @makke_
    @makke_ Před 4 lety +18

    Has the microphone been changed? Sounds very artificial, somewhat metallic and overall not as nice compared to older videos... These were a pleasure to listen to.

  • @craig2100
    @craig2100 Před 4 lety

    Beautifully done and great photography

  • @TD-cg7qh
    @TD-cg7qh Před 4 lety

    Great video as usual!
    Is it my imagination or does the movement of the seconds hand on the Bremont seem syncopated?

  • @robotube7361
    @robotube7361 Před 4 lety +28

    I actually like both watches. They have their own thing going on

  • @PhilbyFavourites
    @PhilbyFavourites Před 3 lety +5

    I remember seeing a Bremont display in what can only be termed a “gazebo” some many years ago in a field at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
    The boys have done pretty well since then.....

  • @Ahenri187
    @Ahenri187 Před 3 lety +1

    I bought the Black Bay Bronze slate gray dial on a fabric strap and I love it!

  • @micksmith4994
    @micksmith4994 Před 4 lety

    Great review 👏Love my Oris Air Racing Edition VI on black Oris leather with the original dark grey clasp from the standard strap. Cost me $1500 US in New York. I think that’s a bargain and it’s a beautiful, simple, clean watch.

  • @noelmurphy3450
    @noelmurphy3450 Před 4 lety +7

    Great video. As a proud owner of a Tudor BB58 I absolutely agree with your assessment of this wonderful watch. I owned a Rolex Sub for 10 years then sold it a few years ago. I wondered whether buying the BB58 would mean I would lust after another Sub.....the surprising answer is........I don't 👏👍

  • @ole0510
    @ole0510 Před 4 lety +34

    The Tudor line-up is so strong. I absolutely love my GMT. It is my first "fine watch" and I couldn't think of any other watch to (hopefully) start my collection!

    • @chinchinche
      @chinchinche Před 4 lety

      Same. It's my first "big buy" and it's an excellent starter. In house movement, good tech and its lovely to look at. Having a second time zone is also a plus.

    • @ole0510
      @ole0510 Před 4 lety

      @@chinchinche do you have it on the leather strap or on the bracelet?

    • @chinchinche
      @chinchinche Před 4 lety +2

      I've got it on bracelet. Bought an after market leather strap for it too, but haven't felt the urge to swap it out yet, so the strap has been sitting in a drawer for a good many months.

    • @ole0510
      @ole0510 Před 4 lety +1

      @@chinchinche Try the leather. I have it on the original strap and I have not missed the heavier bracelet one day. I also like how the leather complements the overall vintage styling of the watch

    • @ramunje
      @ramunje Před 4 lety

      Got mine on Sunday I just wanted to see the BB blue in perso and they had a GMT on a Bracelett there. It tickled, i just had to buy it and i love it so much.
      Enjoy your GMTs great watches love them.
      Best regards from a watchlover

  • @the_9ent
    @the_9ent Před 4 lety +1

    That Bremont is lovely. There’s something really classic about black with gold details.

  • @mrsonjy
    @mrsonjy Před 4 lety +1

    I've gone for gmt instead of 58 because of date and gmt function, but Tudor makes some quality watches and they are also very experimental. Excited to see what to come next

  • @vrtris
    @vrtris Před 4 lety +29

    i’ve never felt so proud to own this watch, your videos really do give it the justice it deserves!

    • @dennisthespeedmenace7530
      @dennisthespeedmenace7530 Před rokem +2

      Just received mine two months ago from the Ad and it’s phenomenal. It’s truly my favorite watch. Fit, finish and appearance is hands down. It’s truly my one one watch for everything.

    • @michaelriera6277
      @michaelriera6277 Před 8 měsíci +1

      The BB58 is a classic

  • @robbiewatches9383
    @robbiewatches9383 Před 4 lety +9

    That Bremont printing is shocking... the macro really hurts my eyes on that super marine.. The 58 rocks

  • @b11rubin
    @b11rubin Před 4 lety

    Got my 58 almost two years and ABSOLUTELY love it still. I enjoy as much, if not more at times than my 116610ln

  • @Goonerhk888
    @Goonerhk888 Před 4 lety

    I tried the BB58 yest, still mulling over it as I have the Tudor BB Bronze Blue, but the 39mm fit so much better - Watchfinder has just pushed me over the edge

  • @ZoukSensation
    @ZoukSensation Před 4 lety +7

    I was luck to find BB58 on eBay almost 1.5 years ago paying only a slight premium. Haven't left my wrist since especially because the first day I wore it I had a first date with my now partner :)
    It's an AMAZING watch. Get compliments all the time and it wears so subtle and well.

  • @FINEST-uz9ek
    @FINEST-uz9ek Před 4 lety +34

    I absolutely love my BB58 ! It is perfect ...the color scheme is so warm and sophisticated and the size dimensions fit my 6.75 inch wrist like a glove . It killed me when I got my first ding on the bracelet !! I find myself wearing it less in order to preserve it but that goes against the purpose of having this beautiful watch!

    • @anthonypurpura8505
      @anthonypurpura8505 Před 2 lety +1

      Did you happen to try on the regular black bay? I have the same sized wrist and really
      Like the red bezel BB, but I’m worried it’ll be too oversized for my wrist so I’ll be “forced” to go with the 58

    • @themightysquid
      @themightysquid Před 2 lety +1

      @@anthonypurpura8505 :
      Try looking for a Christopher Ward C60 Pro 600 in 38mm with a red bezel. They come up in the auction site every once in a while. I have a 6-5/8” wrist and it’s perfect.

  • @xmuninu
    @xmuninu Před 4 lety +1

    I sold my Black Bay S&G a while ago because I found the case way too thick.
    I went straight out and bought the BB58 and don't regret it.
    Tudor hit the sweet spot with this thinner 39mm case. If they use this same case for a new 2020 Black Bay collection they will blow everyone else in the price range right out of the water!

  • @gashosimon2678
    @gashosimon2678 Před 4 lety +1

    If I want a bargain dive watch I definitely go for the K. Grün & Söhne - Legatum. Surely you should feature this amazing watch.

  • @rayleeaustralia
    @rayleeaustralia Před 3 lety +3

    And then you have Oris as an option. They make mighty fine dive watches as well

  • @phmwu7368
    @phmwu7368 Před 4 lety +6

    0:53 Bremont with Disney Level romance tale of aviation... what a heritage 😂 LOL

  • @solarcycles1963
    @solarcycles1963 Před 4 lety

    Another wonderfully presented piece.
    The analogies are top drawer also.😎

  • @michaelfierman3256
    @michaelfierman3256 Před 4 lety

    i'm also in line for this one...but kinda waiting to see what variants might come out this year before I pull the trigger

  • @doom85249
    @doom85249 Před 4 lety +11

    IIRC, the Longines Hydroconquest features an ETA 2892 for a fraction of the cost of the Bremont. Love that Tudor tho ;)

    • @manendraviper
      @manendraviper Před 4 lety +3

      Longines hydro conquest is an excellent watch!

  • @matthewbell9517
    @matthewbell9517 Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you for the very thorough review and comparison. I was almost considering the Bremont, but have decided to purchase the Tudor. My friend also mentioned the Tudor as a great watch. The fact that it basically is a Rolex for 1/4 the price or less make this a substantial bargain.

    • @hammalamiri12
      @hammalamiri12 Před 4 lety

      Its nowhere near Rolex quality, many corners cut compared to a sub

    • @ibrahimhakan
      @ibrahimhakan Před 4 lety

      Hammal Amiri it is, rolex has brandname

    • @hammalamiri12
      @hammalamiri12 Před 4 lety

      @@ibrahimhakan i own the black bay 58, ive borrowed a Sub , im sorry but the difference is huge. Sold gold dial furniture ceramic bezel , better polish on the 904 steel , better bracelet / clasp , more weight , better water resistance , maybe the tudor movement is better in terms of power reserve but mine crashed and has gone back to tudor.

    • @ibrahimhakan
      @ibrahimhakan Před 4 lety

      Hammal Amiri you dont know much about watches sorry

    • @kencur9690
      @kencur9690 Před 3 lety

      @@ibrahimhakan lol, he seems to know much more than you.

  • @TricksticKx
    @TricksticKx Před 4 lety

    Great video, as usual.
    Owning the BB58 is a pleasure everyday. Like Watchfinder says, if you can afford it, most definitely get one!

  • @renatow.6262
    @renatow.6262 Před 4 lety

    One could very well make the point that a scratch resistant ceramic bezel compensates for the difference between the Tudor in-house movement over the ETA 2892 (both Chronometer certified) as for practical purposes scratches on an Aluminum bezel might for many be as painful as the shorter power reserve of the ETA 2892

  • @filmagnoli
    @filmagnoli Před 4 lety +10

    LoL ... love the “it’s a Tudor... blah blah blah blah...” I can so relate to that conversation! lol
    Love your videos .... thank you!

  • @dlb44
    @dlb44 Před 4 lety +24

    Ahhh, the old 'cod to lobster' saying.

  • @martincallery8862
    @martincallery8862 Před 4 lety +1

    Most enjoyable video. Had the Tudor in my hand a couple of days ago. It is a stunner. In my view, Tudor have smashed it out of the park with the whole Black Bay range. (So much so that the early models with the ETA 2824 are considered collectable.) Bremont's marketing story has been very seductive but I'd suggest that
    Tudor's BB range has completely and utterly seduced the watch world. Side by side the Tudor is easily the more beautiful.

  • @joshuacox581
    @joshuacox581 Před 4 lety

    Hi Watch finder, I would like to see a video about a gyrotourbillon and one on tourbillon vs minute repeater: which one is more complicated. Love the content.

  • @mannycalavera2335
    @mannycalavera2335 Před 4 lety +146

    "With a Disney level romanced tale of vintage aircraft" lmao. Is there anyone left who does not think Bremont's cooked up origin story is cringeworthy?

    • @michaelbishop9157
      @michaelbishop9157 Před 4 lety +17

      and likely bullshit

    • @Nayr747
      @Nayr747 Před 4 lety +7

      The father of the brothers who started the company died in that plane crash. That would be one hell of a lie.

    • @michaelbishop9157
      @michaelbishop9157 Před 4 lety +9

      @@Nayr747 you're confusing 2 of the stories. Their father dying in an earlier plane crash is not related to the decision to name the company after the French farmer Antoine Bremont

    • @phmwu7368
      @phmwu7368 Před 4 lety +7

      same with the creation of " Bell & Ross " ... what an aviation heritage... since 1992 LOL

    • @steelstunners1862
      @steelstunners1862 Před 4 lety +6

      It’s a carbon copy of how Rolex marketed all their early watches, particularly the Explorer which never made it past Everest base camp.

  • @ng1163
    @ng1163 Před 4 lety +13

    Tudor Black Bay 36 will be my first big boy watch!

  • @yashav2949
    @yashav2949 Před 4 lety +1

    I think that omega seamaster 300 and/or seamaster co-axial are a better offer, surely on the secondary because it’s a higher level of watchmaking altogether.
    And still I chose black bay (in bronze).
    Gotta love it to buy it.

  • @malu.k.9989
    @malu.k.9989 Před 4 lety +74

    There are some damn fine Sinn’s about that are worth a mention. My 104 for instance, and the 903 is arguably better than The Breitling Navitimer that’s nearly 3x it’s price.

    • @Wvk5zc
      @Wvk5zc Před 4 lety +8

      104 is a confusing one. Is it meant to be pilot/tool watch? Yet the all polished finish messes it up IMO

    • @malu.k.9989
      @malu.k.9989 Před 4 lety +1

      Wilson . Good point. Air, land and sea watch but a bit of a scratch magnet. Mmm!

    • @michaelhughes3302
      @michaelhughes3302 Před 4 lety +1

      Or you could just do what I did 14 years ago and buy yourself a Seiko Flightmaster, the original SNA model. Mine the rare 413 blue,white and red version, but the black 411 will certainly turn heads. I think maybe I'd like one of those. As for this review, way too many silly comparisons. The so called better watch falls 100 metres short of it's rival. Let's talk about that. But more importantly, why with your smooth silky voice are you promoting Tutor? Still getting some of that Rolex "love money". Take my word for it, and I know most of you won't. Get the fuck out while you can. These folks are hoping to hell you buy into their BS and purchase this product on the hope it appreciates but it won't, so that they have a new avenue with which to sell used watches. Tudor's will suddenly be worth much more than you paid for them. Want to know the long and short of it? If the mechanical watch market ever fails, your purchase will be essentially worthless. In the short term, they never actually have the popularity that the Rolex brand has and thus don't really appreciate.

    • @Wvk5zc
      @Wvk5zc Před 4 lety +5

      @@michaelhughes3302 Are you drunk?

    • @michaelhughes3302
      @michaelhughes3302 Před 4 lety +1

      @@jeeefthegreat7555 Well let's try to not be subjective shall we. In the age, when watch craft began to rise in popularity and big complicated watches were all the rage. The Breitling Navi was the king of watches to have. It dominanted the marketplace. Knowing that I could never afford one but still being a fan of the complicated flight style I instantly became attracted to the Flightmaster. No other watch displayed the same presence. Granted $600 at the time was a lot more than just about anyone else was prepared to pay for a wrist watch. A pretty penny in 2003. I bought mine for full MSRP $575cdn plus tax off a dealer. And yes, after over a dozen years on my wrist I am very happy to conclude, it is ever the conversation piece among watch enthusiasts and more importantly, just about everyone else thinks it's the bomb. Being a genuine watch enthusiast yourself, you know my SNA 413 blue and white panda dial Flightmaster is pretty much the stuff of dreams regardless of price. There are probably more Rolex Daytona's available for sale at any given time than there are Blue, White 413 Flightmaster's. That's a fact.

  • @richieyork1
    @richieyork1 Před 3 lety +3

    Getting mine : "Tudor Black Bay 58 Stainless Steel Bracelet Watch", delivered this afternoon. Just for a heads up, the price I paid was £2760.00. Ordered online 3 day waiting time. Looking forward to getting my hands on it.

    • @josueherrera5049
      @josueherrera5049 Před 2 lety

      I just got mine yesterday my first ever piece!!!! You reckon it will go up in value ?

  • @lukaszjaniszewski2094
    @lukaszjaniszewski2094 Před 4 lety +1

    What about Divers from Eterna? I am also asking to understand how we can classify those watches with longer history than Rolex. You can easily get well finished watch with manufactured movement for less than £3000.

  • @piotrskoczylas222
    @piotrskoczylas222 Před 4 lety

    Once more you’ve made an awesome video👏 How do you manage to that??

  • @SkysaxonDragonslayer
    @SkysaxonDragonslayer Před 4 lety +45

    For me the best bargain watch at the moment is the often overlooked Longine Conquest automatic... 39/41/43 case of the HydroConquest with the same 300m rating, but without the silly diver bezel - Longine L8.88 ETA2892 based movement with 64h power reserve for around 1.000,-€ MSRP is a steal compared to other Swiss brands!

    • @bazadam6635
      @bazadam6635 Před 4 lety

      thinking between Longines HydroConquest or Oris Aquis Titanium... I prefer the Longines ... but might get a 25% on the Oris and it is Titanium. What should I do? My first watch.

    • @SkysaxonDragonslayer
      @SkysaxonDragonslayer Před 4 lety +1

      Baz Adam - I would go Longines, but this is just my 2cent

    • @bazadam6635
      @bazadam6635 Před 4 lety

      @@SkysaxonDragonslayer lookwise the longines is much better tbh ... but material and movement wise ... is the Oris much better?

    • @SkysaxonDragonslayer
      @SkysaxonDragonslayer Před 4 lety +3

      Baz Adam - as far as I know the Oris uses a Selitta SW200 which is a ETA 2824 clone and the Longines has an ETA 2892 reduced to 25.600 bph for 64h power reserve...

    • @tungstentickler
      @tungstentickler Před 4 lety +4

      I agree entirely. I wear a black 41mm hydroconquest as my daily and my wife a white 34mm conquest. They are fantastic.

  • @corecasrcworld7100
    @corecasrcworld7100 Před 4 lety +3

    I finally got my Tudor 58 last month and yes I did pay over retail price through watchfinder & co but it was so so worth it, having it on your wrist is such a joy. It’s beautiful, classy and above all for me it’s on par with submariner if not better. Tudor ! 🙌🏽 Bravo!!! 👏🏽👏🏽😉

  • @alexanderconradie3007
    @alexanderconradie3007 Před 4 lety +2

    Awesome video! Please do a Hamilton Intra Matic chrono vs. Breitling Premier! They look almost identical, yet the Hamilton still looks nicer

  • @nickk7689
    @nickk7689 Před 4 lety +2

    Went for the bremont as it has a ceramic bezel and a fair bit rarer than a tudor. "Downsized" from a rolex explorer 2 polar and I prefer the warm look of the bremont. Both brands shamelessly market - but prefer bremont's military connections over david Beckham.

  • @maltebrasknielsen2298
    @maltebrasknielsen2298 Před 4 lety +4

    I have just sold mine Tudor Black Bay 58 and that was weird because like this god in this very best watch youtube Channel says the Black Bay 58 is simpelt an Amazon watch!!
    Especially the size! And the looks BUT BUT BUT I am one of those weird types that isnt too Big on rolex and Tudor and I never felt this connection to tHe BB58..
    I loved everything about the watch but I simply love the brands of Omega and Zenith more..
    I have studied brand marketing and how it affects the consumer to buy this brand instead of the other brand..
    For instance I prefer Adidas over Nike.
    And I prefer Omega and Zenith more than Rolex/Tudor because Hans Wildorf wasnt a watchmaker but a businessman where omega and zenith for instance was a product of true watchmaking in some sort of way..
    I have just decided I’m these past few weeks that my collection should only have these watches :
    Zenith defy classic with blue dial and blue rubber strap.
    Zenith el primero 1969
    Omega speedmaster
    Omega seamaster 300 (the vintage look one) or the really vintage looking from 2017’s trilogy set!
    Omega aqua terra 150 with blue dial and blue rubber strap..
    These watches have a deeper connection to myself but others may have it the other way round..
    I really want to own a Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms 38mm diver one day..!
    I Am more of a vintage Rolex than modern if I had to own one..
    Thanks again for the amazing videos dear watchfinder.co.uk ! You are the best of the best!
    Best regards
    Malte Brask from
    Denmark

  • @MrHarlequin2316
    @MrHarlequin2316 Před 4 lety +8

    Have had my name on the list for one of these for ages and finally got to try one on a couple of weeks ago.
    It was truly disappointing - just didn’t ‘speak’ to me. Obviously that’s a very personal thing and agree with everything said here, but didn’t like it. I also thought it wore much smaller than the specs and pictures suggested.
    I actually think the Bremont is a cleaner design, but would worry about how much of the price is marketing cost, which won’t translate to value. Need to try one on too!

    • @D-C.
      @D-C. Před 4 lety +1

      I had the exact same feeling with the Rolex Explorer. I was lucky enough to be in a position to buy one. I loved the pictures of them. A stunning watch. But when I tried it on, it just didn't do anything for me. I was genuinely disappointed, as I really wanted the watch. Funny thing is, I still love the loon of it in photo's, but on the wrist it was a no. I would only have been buying it for its rarity, which would have been all wrong. I said no, and let someone else who would really appreciate it have the pleasure of buying it.

  • @billmichaud1527
    @billmichaud1527 Před 4 lety

    Picked up my BB58 a few weeks ago and absolutely love it. Unfortunately I couldn't snag it on a bracelet (semi impulse buy that aligned with the AD getting a sales floor model) and got it on the nato. I gotta say, the nato is quite nice!

  • @borjastick
    @borjastick Před 4 lety

    Lovely watch and as you say with a fabulous spec. But for me the face is a touch too small sitting within the bezel. I bought one and found it too small on the wrist which is strange as I also have a Rolex 214270 Explorer which has the same 39mm case and feels great. So regrettably I sold it but will get another Tudor if they make this one slightly larger or in a different config.

  • @markwheeler4417
    @markwheeler4417 Před 4 lety +7

    The Tudor is fine if you can live with the snowflake hour hand, but I can't. The Tudor has an aluminium bezel... at that price it really should be brushed ceramic. How about servicing and parts costs (could be about even)? Bremont make about 8,000 watches a year. How many do Tudor make, 100,000/year, 200,000k per year or more. For rarity and exclusivity Bremont wins hands down. I don't know if Watchfinder has ever covered a Christopher Ward but they have their own in house movement too (I'm going to duck for cover now I've mentioned CW). Personally of the two I'd go for the Bremont because it just looks better and that Trip-Tick case is amazing.

  • @75dt21
    @75dt21 Před 4 lety +5

    I wouldn’t call the Tudor “bargain basement” in price

  • @yahyas
    @yahyas Před 4 lety

    I have one and absolutely adore it together with my Rolex 39 White OP. Both run about 2 seconds off in 15 days total!!! Amazing.

  • @oliverf.4235
    @oliverf.4235 Před 3 lety

    What the hell is this channel? I don't even like divers but his beautiful camera work and soothing voice... damn, I want a Tudor Black Bay 58 now.

  • @captnagrom8178
    @captnagrom8178 Před 4 lety +4

    Oh god I'm getting me one of these ...

  • @paulsueb
    @paulsueb Před 4 lety +30

    I love the Black Bay 58! I love it! Want one so bad...
    In time, I will. I know I will

    • @desertknights5003
      @desertknights5003 Před 4 lety +1

      Calm down bro it's just a watch

    • @robertocarrillo9919
      @robertocarrillo9919 Před 4 lety +1

      Go for it! And be ready couse a few more will come my friend.

    • @davids9549
      @davids9549 Před 4 lety +1

      Go for it! I decided I was having one, it was proving difficult to find, then unexpectedly saw one on display at Garwick Airport while waiting for my flight. Bingo!

    • @paulsueb
      @paulsueb Před 4 lety +2

      @@desertknights5003 for the record, this channel is NOT for people who consider it "just a watch"
      Think about that for a sec

    • @paulsueb
      @paulsueb Před 4 lety

      @@davids9549 I have an idea of a little collection in mind. The BB58 is on my list for sure. Been chasing a Datejust 41 blue dial for a while. No success yet but I'll keep looking

  • @mhmodkhamaisi3762
    @mhmodkhamaisi3762 Před 4 lety +1

    Love your videos .... thank you

  • @mathewazzopard8100
    @mathewazzopard8100 Před 4 lety

    Although similar watches yet very different. Equally appealing, if one could afford having both, should have them. If I had to choose between the 2, given the certain price difference, then I would go for the one that keeps a better 2nd value over time. Watch lovers at times tend to sell time pieces, either because are bored of a watch, a wrong purchase or simply to finance the purchase of a new "grail". Both models on strap, the one on the Tudor can handle water, the other being stitched leather imo won't. I like as an alternative on dive watch a leather strap as long as it comes on a bracelet (steel or gold etc) and leather, rubber/silicon etc will be the alternatives. Let's face it, the best rubber/silicon strap will last one year tops. Thank you for uploading this video, excellent quality - presentation/image/sound.

  • @rzezniqq
    @rzezniqq Před 4 lety +5

    That finish on that Bremont is almost as good as on the SKX.