Is the Framework 16 For Content Creators? Premier Pro & DaVinci Resolve
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- Explore the Framework 16 laptop's real-world video editing capabilities in Premiere Pro and DaVinci Resolve, with insights on performance, practicality, and value for different workflows. Can this AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS & RX 7700S powered 16-inch laptop handle demanding video editing projects?
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00:00 - Opening / Agenda
00:32 - Intro / Background
01:44 - The Framework 16 Editing Setup
03:47 - The Cameras and Fottage
05:20 - Bumpy Start
07:05 - Throwing in the Towel?
07:14 - A Second Chance
08:54 - Premiere Pro Much Better?
09:42 - Misleading Render Times.
10:15 - Found a Fix?
12:33 - The Noise Factor
13:20 - The Value Problem
14:12 - The Cost Problem
15:12 - Summing It Up.
16:11 - Well Crap! Alternate Ending.
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Yeah the 7700S is really a mid-tier gaming card, not an editors card. Not enough VRAM. But with an occulink i8 expansion card (PCIE4 x8) and GPU dock, you can dock into a full desktop GPU for things like that. That’s what I’m looking forward to.
I think the best option for an occulink connector will be using the PCIe the dedicated GPU is using on Framework 16.
I am not sure how well Thunderbolt 3/USB 4 to occulink will be, where it will probably just better to use Thunderbolt 3/USB 4 instead of a conversion.
@@AndersHassOCulink over TB3/USB4 would be the biggest waste. There would be no point in that over just using a TB3 dock. OCulink would have to be over the back expansion bay the GPU is using to get raw PCIE4 x8.
@@DarksurfX hopefully an occulink expansion bay is made
@@AndersHass It's already available for sale by an independent user on the community forums on Framework's site.
Thanks for this video series. You do a great job and address things others don't. Your work is much appreciated!
great video. love the real time use and problem solving
You can reboot the SpeedEditor by pressing and holding CUT + SMTH CUT + SOUECE + TIMELINE for 5 seconds. This usually forces it to reconnect via Bluetooth. Sometimes I have to do it 3 times.
Awesome thanks. I’ll try that. I’ve never had a problem with it on any of the multiple systems I’ve used it with. Got a fix for my keyboard? 😜
@@ElevatedSystems Nah, I have no idea why it doesn't show up. Try a pluggable Bluetooth dongle. Not all Bluetooth silicon radios are made equal.
I definitely appreciate what Framework stand for and I look forward to them continuing to improve & refine their product line.
This was a great review. Will you be testing it with an external GPU like you did with the 13 and the Razer eGPU?
Great rundown, CJ! The Framework Laptop 16 is promising, and I think it's a great start. Framework definitely has some refining to do, and it's definitely not on the level of a MacBook - yet - but the fact that Framework now has a machine that's able to somewhat handle content creation is encouraging. I look forward to seeing where it goes over the next few years.
But it is easily repairable. That is unprecedented in todays modern laptops.
@@TheRealPostpunker Agreed. And it's something that makes me really appreciate what Framework is doing.
@@TheRealPostpunker
critic: it's an inferior overpriced product
zealot: but it's repairable
critic: so you expect your under tested, overpriced, inferior product to break? yeah, that sounds about right.
a $3000 machine that can't edit video as well as a 3yo old Mac that apparently didn't need repair?
Great info in this video
Does the iGPU for the Intel/AMD model work with Resolve on Linux?
My favorite part of this video was getting a good look at your studio setup.
I got my system for audio production and DJing so hopefully it lives up to those tasks because everything else I've had in the past doesn't..
I’d love to see you try resolve on Linux on that thing :). I have a suspicion that resolve is leaking vram
hi i noticed that put power lead lead in slot 2 in the frame work 16" which is low power. slots 1 and 4 which are the far ones looking at the front of the laptop. I don't know if that will make any differences to the fan noise. or the speed of the cpu and gpu on the framwork. good review on the framwork just the same. take care and all the best in future of the software and hardware.
Ports 1,2,4,5 are all 240w charging. Ports 1 & 4 are USB4 so I don’t want to occupy those with the power cable.
Hi, would it be possible for you to switch to the professional video card drivers and see if it brings about better encoding performance in Davinci Resolve for you?
The Radeon Pro driver failed to install on the Framework. It wouldn’t detect the 7700S as compatible hardware. I’ll try again with a direct driver install when I do my 3D dev testing.
@@ElevatedSystems Wow, really sorry to learn of this, I'll keep an eye out for when you do your 3D Dev testing!
Can Intel Core Ultra 7 series 1 can have power to do creative projects? What do you think of MNT Pocket Reform? And ViVo Elite XR-head set?
i really love my fw13 amd
but i have no interest in the fw16
i hope the fw16 doesn't detract from the good stuff they are doing with the 13
I thought the point of AMD advantage for laptops is you shouldn’t have issue with using the various ports as it would switch between integrated and dedicated GPU depending on the workload without performance issues.
But maybe that is just for the laptop screen itself and not for external screens.
As far as I know Nvidia has better support for these video editors. It is annoying Nvidia is very tied down on how their GPU die is used so they cannot easily be used for Framework 16, at least they have been against something similar in the past.
Maybe Intel can save the day with their dedicated GPUs since they also seem to have good support for these video editors.
Regardless, Apple has powerhouse for video editing with their own processors, so it will be tough to beat for small form factors (and power efficiency).
Main reason to not use Macs would be if you need something else like gaming.
Edit: I forgot the point about repairability (and potential upgradability) that Framework provides (and other laptops to a lesser extent) as a reason to not go with a Mac, lol.
I have a challenge for you for this laptop: Try to set this up as a Hackintosh, and if successful, pit the Hackintosh against your actual Macs and see what happens.
It's an AMD, not Intel
@@PR-cj8pd Considering the myriad of "how to install MacOS on AMD" videos there are here on YT, it seems to be a possibility.
@@PR-cj8pdyeah Ryzentosh’s work fine and they have been for a while, however I don’t think the igpu nor the gpu are supported since apple never released drivers for AMD’s RX 7000 series
@@mllarsonhackintosh doesn't work on AMD laptops *at all*
The actual Macs would destroy a FW16 hackintosh as it would have no hardware acceleration.
How many takes did it take you to name all of the video parameters you use on your cameras
That Davinci performance at the beginning and even after turning off SAM boggled my mind a bit. I use a severely underpowered setup for editing (i7 1255u with Intel Iris XE graphics, all limited to 15 watts) and even then it seems I have a better time editing than you did with the Framework, though I am constantly creating proxies and do have my fair share of hiccups, I never get vram warnings (or any warnings in general) despite using an igpu as weak as that offered by Intel. I have spent a lot of time optimizing my Davinci settings for my use case though so maybe with a bit of love the Framework would perform a bit better in Davinci? I'd also say that during the editing process, editing in 4k is a bit redundant and is only important in the final render, but that might be a preference thing. Either way it would seem that Premiere ran properly out of the box compared to Davinci. This was a well put together video
8:16 is my favorite part, no doubt.
Hmm, glad I went with the 13" I've really enjoyed my Framework Ryzen 13" laptop. Looks like the 16" is a valiant first effort. Hopefully better GPU options and updates will help. Of course, you can swap in a new GPU and updated motherboard/CPU on this laptop. Can't do that on the Lenovo or ASUS :)
Or at least hopefully you can. Right now no real upgrade path for Framework 16 but they did deliver with 13 so hopefully the same will happen for 16.
What I have noticed is Premiere has improved their editing software cos my old Ryzen 5 pc can handle premiere 2024 smooth
Man, this is a serious bummer. Is this on your first laptop that had to get sent back or on the new one you received as a replacement? Found you via the FW subreddit. My partner and I have TWO of these FW16s on pre-order for batch 7, but this video scares us. We use Resolve for work every day, and if this is what we can expect, we're going to have to cancel our orders. Please tell me your new one fixed these issues!...
This is the first one, but none of the problems had any affect on the performance. The new one will perform exactly the same.
@@ElevatedSystems man, that is a serious bummer. Anything out there you think you'd buy for editing in Resolve? Really too bad that this isn't it 😭
@@Sustainavore my main editing computer is a base model M1 Max Mac Studio. It’s the best system for Resolve I’ve ever used. My travel editing system is a base model M1 Pro MacBook Pro. It’s almost as good as the Studio.
I'm quite surprised by Resolve's performance issues. To my understanding, Premiere/AE's fundamental coding flaws are that both programs are highly CPU-intensive and do not rely on the GPU enough. I thought this caused Resolve to outperform Adobe in most apples to apples comparisons? In my experience, my 5800x/RTX3090 desktop PC cannot run 1080p60 h.264 4:2:0 without significant pain. Part of this is due to h264 being so inefficient, and part of this is due to running on mechanical hard drives with poor read speeds, and it's all fixed with proxies and an external SSD. I haven't tried editing h.265 off a high-speed SSD, and I haven't been in Resolve in a long time, but the extreme lack of GPU accelerated effects has given me much contempt for Adobe. Perhaps there's something I'm missing about this performance discrepancy in Resolve? You hint at poor AMD driver support and sub-optimal performance in this unit, which makes sense, but I'm not sure. Either way, thanks for the informative video!
This is kind of a bummer. I support what Framework is doing and I really want them to succeed. I haven't had the need for a new laptop but I would pay the extra money the 13" costs vs the competition... I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the premium that the 16" costs over its competition.
the premium is a bit lower, if you use you own memory/storage
@@schwingedeshaehers Not that big of a savings, maybe $50, and you do pay more for the DIY version if you spec it out exactly like the prebuilt. To be honest I don't think I would buy a 16" laptop anyways; I prefer more portable laptops.
There has to be something wrong here, either the drivers have some kind of bug or there was something in the testing. A 10 year old Lenovo T430 with an quad core i7 can easily edit 1080p videos. How is the 16 not able to handle 4k is really blowing my mind.
Can easily edit 1080P what? 8 bit H.264? What about BRAW, ProRes HDR, 12 bit HEVC, ARRI Log? How does it handle that footage?
pls use proxies
Wouldnt that cost the same , almost as a current Macbook pro loaded? I you that laptop in this video is crazy loaded to the hilt. It better be able to do the job of video editing, 3D rendering applications, and complex scientific simulations. The plus is you coup modify it in the future, but it seems the Mac woyuld perform better. IDK
I don't really know, but I just have to ask. Is it possible that Davinci Resolve works better in Linux ? Also, are those issues really that unsolvable ? Would be a shame :( Especially since it's not fully Framework's fault that the AMD GPU is lacking. Unfortunately from what I've heard there's little chances of getting an NVidia GPU, so maybe Intel might come to the rescue... but that won't be soon anyway (I'd say beggining of next year at best, and that hopefully directly with Battlemage). On the AMD side theoretically now a 7900 class mobile GPU exists, but if AMD made more than 2, it's hard to tell. AMD and mobile GPUs are for some reason something extremely rare.
What and where have you heard about the "little chances of NVidia GPU"?
Nirav said he wouldn't have been doing this whole detachable GPU thing if both AMD and NVidia weren't on board.
@@FR4M3Sharma I don't remember where, but there was something, more on the rumor side, that NVidia wouldn't like it, though I don't remember exactly why. I feel a bit silly now saying this, lol.
I didn't knew about that from Nirav, that's great news! As much as I hate NVidia, they kind of are the de-facto GPU maker, not having them would be (as in can be seen in this video) a massive blow.
I know Nvidia are very controlling with what their GPU die is used for. So upgradable GPUs in the past have been ruined by Nvidia not allowing their GPUs to be used. It is also why it is mobile variants that is used for external GPUs instead of desktop variants.
Da Vinci Resolve can also be a bitch to configure on Linux but I do think AMD can work using open source drivers where Nvidia has to use their proprietary drivers.
I wonder if one of those old mac pro accelerator cards could be paired to the cpu via oculink.
Probably not. They will probably also only work on Intel Mac Pro.
The minute I saw Resolve, I thought "yup, he's about to get into a world of hurt". Lol
Resolve and AMD never play well together.
I think it really comes down to OS, mac vs windows stability... in the end the framework is just hardware running windows. For the same "level" of hardware seems any mac is more optimized and stable. Though of course, for the same level of hardware you pay 1.5-2x more on the mac side.
Did you even watch the video? The laptop is slower than macbookpro 😂 and it’s cheaper
Apple's own processors are beasts when it comes to video editing. You would need big Nvidia GPUs to outcompete it but then you also use way more power.
The difference with Intel Macs vs Intel Windows wasn't that big.
The price for Macs aren't as bad with the M series as previously but it has gotten stale with the upgrades so maybe others can catch up. Then the value does become worse if you need other things than video editing like gaming.
Yea, the framework 16 is impressive but, just too expensive at this point. Right now, this laptop is reserved for people want the newest thing and they are ok with trading repairability for power and price.
tbh it's better than mac i can switch out not only ram rom but cpu gpu as well crazy shit it is
But it’s slower than a Mac and more expensive 🤷🏻♂️
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu let's wait for the real time comparison video.
M series Macs are beasts when it comes to video editing so it will be tough to compete there. But if you wanna use your laptop for gaming then Macs are probably not the best option.
Computers with 8GB of RAM seem to be causing problems for everyone I know lately.
People using windows 11*
@@arkvsi8142 yes but also Mac and Linux systems too depending on the configuration.
at 1:55 he says "I've thrown in 32 GB DDR5 5600 memory"
@@PaulStoffregenYes but I was talking about VRAM. I should have clarified that.
The fan noise is what did me in and go back to Mac (for the most part).
Then I guess you cant live outside a soundless room........we always have some sort of background noise.....
@@arkvsi8142 :) to be clear as you see in the end of the video when he uses the Mac and there is no fan noise. It is not about a soundless room. Birds chirping out my window, sounds from the brook, rain etc but fan noise for me equals a certain amount of wtf process is running anxiety :)
Just return to Windows 10 and expect better life, or just use Linux...
so true 😃
most people do no care about video editing but all CZcams reviewers review laptops as video editing machines
This incentives laptop makers to put in laptops things most people do not need, like SD card reader and so on in order to get good reviews from reviewers.
Framework laptops appeal to people who appreciate right to repair, modular design and a “customer first” ethos.
It’s not a laptop aimed at video editing professionals. It’s somewhat targeted to gamers, which is usually enough to make someone think it would also be a good general purpose device.
We live in an age when even basic web dev work is frequently shown being done on expensive MacBook Pros and I see new web devs contemplating a $4k purchase so they can emulate the workflow of the people they are learning from.
I would expect a video editor to gravitate toward a MacBook Pro for the screen quality, performance and support. I would not expect a video editor to line up a MacBook Pro against a Framework.
The Framework will be great for 99% of everything and we can even see that it’s pretty good with certain video editing software, but it can’t hit every niche and even though it’s essentially half the price of some MacBook configurations, it’s expensive.
I like Framework and I have a first gen 13, but I recognise how expensive their devices are and that is a trade off I’m ok with for the modularity and repairability.
If you read Framework’s deep dive blog post on the display they state that they are also targeting content creation professionals with the FW16. It’s why they gave it a dci-p3 display. Games are only designed in the sRGB gamut.
@@ElevatedSystemsthere are also HDR games but mainly just sRGB for games (the HDR implementation can also be bad).
I think it's a good showcase of the editing performance of Framework 16. It is not like the video is an overall review of the laptop but just about video editing.
People want it to be good so they become very defensive when it doesn't perform well I guess, lol.
I don't think any of us don't like the idea of repairability and upgradability, so it is not like you want to "tear it to pieces".
And to think I wanted to replace my desktop with this laptop. Alas It seems I doged a bullet.
Well duh, it’s a laptop. What did you expect?
@@jitterrypokery1526 I expect greatness.
@@kurtnelle and it is great but genuinely did you think it was going to outperform a desktop?
Seriously it’s just like any other laptop, except you can take it apart
@@jitterrypokery1526 I was hoping that it would at least be usable. And my GPU is 6 years old!
@@kurtnelle it is usable? What exactly are you referring to? In the video most of the issues stem from amd’s compatibility with davinci resolve rather than something representative of the laptop itself
Framework laptops seem to be a one trick pony really, repairability. It doesn't even really save you any money down the road with motherboard upgrades because alternatives are cheaper...for a whole new laptop. It does nothing well except repairability. There are better tools for the money.
Swappable ports and modular keyboard deck. It's also pretty fun to take apart a laptop. This one is expensive because it's still in early stages. Reference the framework laptop 13 instead because that one has become somewhat affordable and a decent contender when compared to normal laptops.
People who makes uogradeable laptop their ideology 😂😂😂
They talk about saving money when it actually doesn’t 😂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu people make it their ideology to defend a billion dollar multinational corporation that wants to slowly take away your rights of ownership as a consumer, all while convincing themselves that they are saving more money.
Brand new it doesn't make economical sense.
It's possible with old models and used market it can be a great deal. But then you use old/used and not brand new.