I Bought the Framework 16 Laptop - MacBook Replacement?

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  • čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
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Komentáře • 82

  • @LAWRENCESYSTEMS
    @LAWRENCESYSTEMS Před 2 měsíci +75

    Yeah, I am not a fan of touch screens on laptops and I am less a fan of those who touch my screen!

    • @858Markus
      @858Markus Před 2 měsíci +4

      I agree. On convertibles and 2 in 1 laptops a touchscreen is great. On a normal laptop...well I don´t see the need for a touchscreen. Makes no sense. Mouse, keyboard, trackpad...

    • @boneappletee6416
      @boneappletee6416 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@858Markus Same. My laptop is connected to a USB-C dock most of the time, so it would be out of reach and awkward to use a touchscreen

    • @malexander6367
      @malexander6367 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@858MarkusNaah, for me, it's not convertibles and non convertibles.
      I differentiate by screen size.
      13 Inch: Sits relatively close to me and using the touch screen feels intuitive and useful in certain situations.
      15+ Inch: Too far away, don't need it.
      That being said: I almost always prefer a laptop with a touch screen anyways. The whole screen assembly tends to be more durable and easier to clean due to the glass and I can do stuff like sign documents or hand annotate stuff when I need to.

    • @spdcrzy
      @spdcrzy Před 10 dny

      @@malexander6367 fuuuuuuck that. If I need a touch input, I'm using a tablet or a phone. That's what they're made for. Some screens are meant to be seen, not touched.

  • @buhizkewl7105
    @buhizkewl7105 Před 2 měsíci +16

    I’m glad this laptop exists, even if I never intend on buying one. Also, “butt cheeks” should be the base rating for _all_ measures.

  • @gsharpshooter80
    @gsharpshooter80 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Just finished installing everything yesterday on mine (batch 5)! Coming from a Lenovo x240 and 2011 MacBook Pro 13 inch this device is an absolute godsend for me and I’m so happy a company finally made a laptop like this!

  • @RaziMemeGod
    @RaziMemeGod Před 2 měsíci +6

    if this laptop were cheaper, I would easily buy it, but unfortunately, I'M BROKE.

  • @brianandrews1867
    @brianandrews1867 Před 2 měsíci +3

    typing from framework 13 11th gen: I've had some issues early on that I probably wouldn't have had with another laptop, but I'm really excited by the ability to BYO parts to reduce upfront cost (no extra $200 for a 1 TB hard drive or extra extra $200 to get 16 GB soldered on RAM instead of 8 GB) and the ability to upgrade the mainboard instead of tossing the laptop
    Sick bayside shirt

  • @TechieZeddie
    @TechieZeddie Před 2 měsíci +18

    The speakers are actually side-firing, not top firing. What you're showing is actually the top intakes for the fans. As for the magic Apple uses to get crazy battery life, the magic comes from using ARM as the architecture rather than x86-64.

    • @LordApophis100
      @LordApophis100 Před 2 měsíci +2

      The ISA is less important than the microarchitecture. Also Apple can do a lot of vertical integration and OS optimization. Having all on one SoC, and a wide array of dedicated function blocks helps a lot with power efficiency.

    • @TechieZeddie
      @TechieZeddie Před 2 měsíci

      @@LordApophis100 You can only do so much though. Can confirm as a previous owner a an x86-based MacBook Pro. Battery life is very good considering the hardware, but once Apple switched over to their own silicon, it was a dramatic uplift in battery life across the board. However, I'm more of a PC and Android gal myself, so the AMD 7040 series is the best we've got in terms of efficiency (FW13 and FW16).

    • @LordApophis100
      @LordApophis100 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@TechieZeddie The CISC vs RISC debate concluded 2 decades ago. All modern CPUs internally are RISC and decode their ISA to micro ops. The ISA does not have that much impact on the CPU as people think. AMD uses one microarchitecture across all products. Zen is designed around high end desktop and servers, then scaled down for mobile. If they did a dedicated design just for mobile, they could get around Apple Silicon efficiency. But they would also have to have the same control of the OS to really match it.
      Similarly, Apple just can’t scale their mobile first CPU up. M3 in a Mac Pro performs about the same as in a MacBook Pro.

    • @LawlessNate
      @LawlessNate Před 2 měsíci +1

      No, Apple makes every component in their laptops and can therefore design every aspect of the hardware to maximize battery life. Also, they tailor even the operating system to the hardware, which further helps this.
      This ARM vs. X86 power efficiency thing is an oversimplification of people who don't understand computer hardware. x86 chips can be power efficient just as ARM chips can have lots of performance.

    • @LoveStrangeDr
      @LoveStrangeDr Před měsícem

      @@LawlessNategoogle tried, what happened?

  • @pieterrossouw8596
    @pieterrossouw8596 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Lots of companies have launched "upgradeable" laptops only to stop producing the module after 2 generations... Maybe Framework will be different but unless you can get a module for e.g. the RTX 6070M or whatever in a few years time this is just a waste of money. You're buying an idea, a great idea - but if you just need a great laptop instead...

  • @ThinkingRaccoon6334
    @ThinkingRaccoon6334 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Apparently the 16 from batch 1-3 has some serious issues with maintaining battery life. Maybe worth looking into in the future?

  • @Gizfreek
    @Gizfreek Před 2 měsíci +2

    Just got my wife the current AMD 13 and it's simply lovely, I personally haven't used a laptop since 2013 and was amazed by it compared to my big chungus some years ago.

  • @858Markus
    @858Markus Před 2 měsíci +3

    Beautiful laptop, love the idea. Wanted to buy one....but they don´t ship to my country, and I am not a fan of third party shipping. And buying it thru my business is momentarily impossible. It is true that for the money you can buy a different beast. So I did buy a ASUS Rog Strix G16 with the intel i9 13980HX and the RTX 4080. It is a monster of a laptop performance vise. I use it as a workstation and for gaming. This one will last me for five years, and the Legion 5 2020 is going to my son, as it is in excellent condition (always care for my stuff, take it apart and clean, repaste it etc.) But after that I hope that Framework will be an established brand, and maybe my next laptop will be a Framework. Always built my desktops for the past 25 years. And the idea to build a laptop like desktop is genius. To be able to change or upgrade only the parts I need. I wish Framework all the luck to pull thru.

  • @BerserkEscaflowne
    @BerserkEscaflowne Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just got the framework 13 and its been great so far. I have a desktop and a steamdeck so no need for a discreet gpu in a laptop for me.

  • @3DKreateFPV
    @3DKreateFPV Před 2 měsíci +3

    I got mine in just under a week ago and agree, the battery life could be better. (Also its weird, but the speakers are actuality side firing one's) Other then the mid battery, its an amazing laptop and was a worthwile investment

  • @NightHawkATL
    @NightHawkATL Před 2 měsíci +2

    The framework laptop is nice for the customizable i/o but the price is still high for the overall premise on hardware specs and performance as you stated. I am a fan of the matte screens as well but there is just something about the clarity on the Apple glossy screens lol.

    • @MyNameIsBucket
      @MyNameIsBucket Před 2 měsíci +2

      But when you upgrade 3 years from now, you're spending a fraction of what you would on another laptop.

  • @Monarchias
    @Monarchias Před 2 měsíci +2

    You only left out the discussion about how much more or less it costs, when you upgrade the product. I was the most curious about the upgrade path and possible costs. Because yeah, as a one time investment it's not cheap. But how about with the upgrade costs? 1 upgrade will cost less then investing into a new laptop? Why you left it out? Did you forgot about it? :)

  • @user-wz1nr1ds5f
    @user-wz1nr1ds5f Před 2 měsíci

    How is the performance on battery? Is there much difference between being connected to the network and the battery? With battery can you play at the level of an asus rog ally?

  • @MnemonicCarrier
    @MnemonicCarrier Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thanks so much! A very enjoyable review. I'm thinking about buying one of these bad boys and slapping Linux on it... 🤔

  • @MyNameIsBucket
    @MyNameIsBucket Před 2 měsíci +3

    wait... instead of buying a type-c module, can't you just plug a charger or dongle directly into the gap?

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +5

      Just checked. Yep

    • @altosack
      @altosack Před 2 měsíci

      The usb-c module costs $9…

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci

      @@altosack Yes

  • @dosomething6975
    @dosomething6975 Před 2 měsíci +50

    Lol "installed windows 11 because I don't hate myself" I would argue windows users are the masochists 😅

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +17

      True. I do like my MacBook

    • @darcsentor
      @darcsentor Před 2 měsíci +1

      I’ve got a iPad that you would have to pry out of my dead hands, but my MacBook sat on the shelf and never got touched. My gaming laptop on the other hand is used all the time. Never got the hate about window 11, it’s been rock solid and super stable for me.

    • @858Markus
      @858Markus Před 2 měsíci +5

      Every OS has it´s pros and cons. Windows is user friendly even for a monkey. Plug and play with broad software and hardware support. Linux distros are great if you grew up with DOS, and don´t have a problem with the terminal. And it can run on a toaster. Never used MacOS, but I think that it is also a really good OS. Never understood the hate towards any system. It is always great to have the possibility of choosing what fits best to ones needs.

    • @Supermath101
      @Supermath101 Před 2 měsíci +6

      I don't think the terminal is a requirement when using most Linux distributions.

    • @MyNameIsBucket
      @MyNameIsBucket Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@Supermath101 It definitely is. If you're a typical Windows superuser who is used to having a GUI for most every configuration and troubleshooting task, Linux in all its flavors will leave you sorely disappointed.

  • @luisortega8085
    @luisortega8085 Před 18 dny

    I wonder if they will update the framework with arc gpus and stuff

  • @ravine9083
    @ravine9083 Před 2 měsíci

    You heard it here first, if you ordered a Framework laptop 16, your speakers won't sound like butt cheeks. Thank you, for testing the laptop from a user standpoint. I pre-ordered one and it'll likely ship next week. How's the touchpad spacers? Are they flat? Do they dig into your wrist? Early batches had that issue.
    Thanks for this review, I was supposed to see one is my favorite CZcamsrs bought one. I follow server and network videos from your channel. Keri up the good work and I love your videos.

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci

      I was nervous about the spacers and that you’d be able to feel them but it’s impressively well made. You wouldn’t even notice while typing unless you looked down.

    • @ravine9083
      @ravine9083 Před 2 měsíci

      @@RaidOwl That's good to know. I'll find out when I get my laptop. I'll setup my SSH keys and connect it to my VMs. I'm excited to try out netboot xyz and see if it works with the Framework Laptop 16.

  • @prodeous
    @prodeous Před 2 měsíci +5

    I so want one.. but currently they don't ship to Europe. I do hope the expansion module can be used with additional battery. and with my aging eyes.. 16+ is the miminum screen size.. really happy to hear about its screen accuracy. (do hope for more options like mini-led which should save batter a bit more).
    overall want one, but can't get one till they expand to Europe. Also another point if you upgrade the motherboard they have .stl files for cases to reuse the motherboard in other projects which shows how reuse orientied they are.

    • @nicoautoxp
      @nicoautoxp Před 2 měsíci +11

      They already ship to several European countries. Have a look on their site

  • @TedTabaka
    @TedTabaka Před 2 měsíci +2

    Linus is NOT a co-owner. He is only an investor...

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Thanks for the correction

  • @ErgonomicChair
    @ErgonomicChair Před 2 měsíci

    Raytracing is legit the most beautiful damn thing ever... I cannot play games without it when the option is there lol.

  • @soltysss
    @soltysss Před 2 měsíci

    Love that youtuber acknowlaged that only he cares about video editing performance and not the audience, hate that most reviews compare video editing performance as thing that should be cared about.

  • @admwndl
    @admwndl Před 2 měsíci +2

    Does anyone know if the ugreen NAS’ BIOS is locked to prevent installation of a different NAS os e.g Truenas or unraid?

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +4

      Nope it’s not locked

    • @boneappletee6416
      @boneappletee6416 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@RaidOwl Imo that's one of the most important things when it comes to the longevity of an off-the-shelf NAS

    • @sbme1147
      @sbme1147 Před 2 měsíci

      Well NASCompares had a rep on for like 1 hr 7-10 days ago and he said it would VOID your warranty. Unless there was such an uproar in the last 5 days because of that. Most people comments I saw after that and others who knew after that just stopped watching vids on their NAS. Otherwise sounds like an EXCELLENT product. However, maybe a warranty doesn’t matter to you. Chances I assume would be under 5%, hopefully under 1%. I also heard from a post that they have been selling MAS’s in China for 1-2 years. If true then they do know what they are doing hardware wise. But then, why the Kickstarter?

  • @notafbihoneypot8487
    @notafbihoneypot8487 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Needs coreboot support and then im sold
    Also, Fuck windows

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +1

      My windows are too big for that

    • @notafbihoneypot8487
      @notafbihoneypot8487 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@RaidOwl nothing is too big if. You're brave enough 🥵🥵🥵🥵

  • @soggybottomboys2792
    @soggybottomboys2792 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Anyone find a ddr5 5600mhz 64gb sodimm kit yet? I “need” 120gb of ram for my 500 google chrome tabs 😅

  • @RonnieRedd
    @RonnieRedd Před 2 měsíci +1

    Too bad you didn't put lmde on it instead of w11. (Since you obviously DO "hate yourself "😊)

  • @piesareround
    @piesareround Před 2 měsíci +2

    Neat

  • @shiriajin
    @shiriajin Před 2 měsíci +1

    So did you justify how much money you spent?

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +1

      For content, sure. For personal use? Nah

  • @SilentDecode
    @SilentDecode Před 20 dny

    "I installed Windows 11 on it, because I don't hate myself"
    >But you do, if you install Windows 11..
    That's backwards..
    Nice machine though.

  • @Getmynameoff
    @Getmynameoff Před 28 dny

    The UGreen Kickstarter ended weeks ago….

    • @Getmynameoff
      @Getmynameoff Před 28 dny

      And their website is broken :/ but hey at least you’re getting paid they are losing out

  • @dominick253
    @dominick253 Před 2 měsíci +3

    $2600!?! I'm more in the $600 price point myself. Broke boys stay home... 😂😂😂

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +4

      Lol luckily $600 laptops are pretty solid these days

    • @boneappletee6416
      @boneappletee6416 Před 2 měsíci

      There are cheaper Framework models, including their pre-owned option

  • @snazzysailor
    @snazzysailor Před 2 měsíci

    Build quality and design is light years behind Apple.

  • @njpme
    @njpme Před 2 měsíci +2

    Not worth it IMO

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah it’s walking a fine line

  • @mrcvry
    @mrcvry Před měsícem

    Try Linux for a better battery life and performance.

  • @GlassblowingBusiness-jq8te
    @GlassblowingBusiness-jq8te Před 2 měsíci

    It just doesn’t seem like a good laptop for the price. They’re selling customers a promise they can’t guarantee.

  • @codewithlarsy
    @codewithlarsy Před měsícem

    HOW DARE YOU CALL MY 60hz IM GOOD AT 20hz THANK YOU VERY MUCH

  • @Aruneh
    @Aruneh Před 2 měsíci +3

    I used to be sad that Framework wasn't shipping to my country. Then I found out about the LTT connection, now they couldn't pay me to use one.

    • @dyingwillowtree
      @dyingwillowtree Před 2 měsíci +1

      what's the deal with the LTT connection

    • @RaidOwl
      @RaidOwl  Před 2 měsíci +7

      Why

    • @nexovec
      @nexovec Před 2 měsíci +10

      ˇ Bad take counter

    • @annihilatorg
      @annihilatorg Před 2 měsíci +8

      Linus as an individual is just an investor and LTT is not affiliated. He's no more co-owner than anyone else that owns stock of a business.