Let’s keep it simple why do we need any other book besides the Bible? Do we not have the God to ask for help to understand? Does not the Holy Spirit give us understanding? We need to be patient in waiting for God to answer us. Not jumping the gun and relying on someone else’s book or interpretation on the word.
@@samuelwilliams1559 CRI has become apostate. The new leader has rejected the gospel and embraced the Eastern Orthodox religion. Most evangelicals have denounced that institution since then.
@@ureasmith3049 WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN ? A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST . JESUS KEPT THE SABBATH . JESUS KEPT THE FEAST DAYS . JESUS KEPT THE DIETARY LAW . JESUS WAS TO GIVE THE PEOPLE ( ISRAEL ) ALL THAT THEY DESIRED IN HOREB OR MOUNT SINAI . PLEASE READ VERSES 15-16 . DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , " 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. WHAT DID THEY DESIRE AT HOREB OR MOUNT SINAI ? THE TEN COMMANDMENT THAT THE LORD SPOKE TO THEM ; ALSO THE STATUTES , UDGMENTS , COVENANTS , THAT MOSES WILL GIVE THEM , BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID TO HEAR IT FROM THE GOD OF ISRAEL . THERE IS ALSO A ROMAN CHRISTIAN . A FOLLOWER OF ROME . A PARTIAL KEEPER OF THE FIRST DAY , AS THE DAY OF REST . KEEPS MAN'S HOLIDAYS EAT ANY UNCLEAN MEAT AS IDENTIFIED BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL , BECAUSE ALL HE HAST TO DO IS PRAY OVER IT . THE PROTESTANTS WHICH BROKE FROM AWAY ROME , DID THEY NOT BRING MUST OF THE DOCTRINES THAT YOU OBSERVE TODAY FROM ROME ? SHALOM !
SHOULD I BELIVE E.G. WHITE OR THE BIBLE? 1. Was the plan of salvation made before or after the fall? E.G. White says AFTER the fall (Great Controversy, p.347) The Bible says BEFORE (Ephesians 1:4:; 1 peter 1:18) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 2. Was Adam deceived by Satan? E.G. White says YES (Evangelism, p. 589) The Bible says NOPE (1 Timothy 2:14) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 3. Did pre-flood human beings mate with animals to produce amalgamated created creatures? E.G. White says YES (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 3,p 64 ) The Bible says NOPE (Genesis 1:24-25- Nowhere in the Bible is it indicated there was amalgamation of human beings and animals before the flood) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 4. Was the tower of Babel built before or after the flood? E.G. White says BEFORE (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 119) The Bible says AFTER (Genesis 11:4) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? 5. Who bears human's sins? E.G. White says SATAN (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485-486) The Bible says JESUS (1 Peter 2:24) Should I believe EGW or the Bible? I have read so much of what EGW wrote and what others in the church and outside have written about her writings. She calls her writings "little light" that lead people to "greater light", the Bible. The truth is her writings are leading me away from the Bible. Should I believe the Bible or clear heresies of E.G. White?
@mitchellosmer1293 is Jerusalem is nowhere to be found in Daniel 8:14 . October 22 1844 is nowhere in Daniel 8:14. Your interpretation is very creative 👌 👏
@mitchellosmer1293 here is another question for you to have a go at. Shouldn't the 4th commandment be kept the same way in all SDA sabbath keeping Churches. Why is it that people keep it the way they want to keep it. 🤔
@mitchellosmer1293 hi Mitchell here is another question for you. Sabbath is from sunset to sunset. How do SDA keep Sabbath in parts of country's where there is no sunset for months?
The reason why he couldn't answer is because it isnt that simple. If your sins are blotted out, then that is presumption. It does not teach in the Bible that while you are alive you are home free. In fact, it says this: "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Rev 3:5, KJV)" YOU MUST FIRST OVERCOME. This is what the Bible teaches. If he said, yes, then the panel and audience would take that to mean that blotting out sins would be the entirety of the answer, which is not the case. It is possible to have your name blotted out of the Book of Life, even after God has taken away your sins, and that means your sins come back upon you - all of them.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv When the priest lays his hands on the goats head, is the transfer. Lev 21:16 - *_And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat,_* and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: (Lev 16:21, KJV) I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. (Isa 43:25, KJV) You need to remember that the Lord was talking to people in the midst of their sin, reminding them of the kind of God He was. That is the context. Earlier He is complaining about their iniquities. Look at the whole context. He said similar things, such as I am the Lord your Holy one... "Creator of Israel..." v 15 "The Lord which makes a way in the sea..." v 16 "Brings forth Chariot and horse..." v 17 He is identifying himself, not merely stating the whole plan He has of His Salvation. Yes, He does blot out the sins of His People, but we cannot go off sinning after we ask Jesus to forgive. The Bible is clear. Our names can be blotted out of the book of life, as it says in the Book of Revelation. Also, in the passage of the one who was forgiven so much, yet broke the Law by not forgiving his brother - His salvation, was revoked.
I remember watching this years ago as an SDA… brutal showing for Dr. Johnsson. I guess this is why it’s tough to get big name SDAs to debate people who know their stuff.
@@ureasmith3049they’ll interact with people ignorant of adventism, otherwise they run for the hills. I’d respect them slightly more if they were honest & upfront about what they believe and willing to fight for it.
It's not the job of big-name Adventists to set straight the scoffers... There will be plenty coming out of Babylon into The Remnant faith. We are to just preached the message and leave the results to Christ. Good day to you
@@johnellg9399 Wrong. It is up to "apologists" to defend and contend for the faith. Those are marching orders from Christ. And the church was never mandated to preach a new and different gospel for the end-times. There is a reason most of them are afraid to contend for the faith. They know that using scripture alone they would get decimated.
That's exactly my thoughts. Wow! Wow! Wow! I wish I had known this years ago. Born and raised in Adventism. I don't think my parents knew any of this was going on and Des Ford was a heretic so just don't listen to the rumors.
The adventist leaders did not tell Walter Martin the truth about Ellen White. First, they wouldn't answer his question if she is the infallible interpreter of scripture, then Johnson said she is not. But the truth is, you need to accept Ellen White at baptism. The spirit of prophecy (referring to Ellen White) is one of the baptismal vows. Literally a vow to Ellen White at baptism. As it's been said before.....nobody was ever asked if they will add Isaiah or Elijah or John the baptist as a vow to their baptism. -Ephesians 4:5 there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They really affected Walter Martin's research by not answering his question on Ellen White.
I took "Life and Teachings of JC" with Des Ford at PUC. It was the first time in a lifetime of SDA education, that I was exposed to biblical hermeneutics, in contrast to the "proof text" method of Bible study.
Great presentation- Adventists cannot let go of EGW because they believe her to be the ‘Spirit of prophecy’ which they believe identifies them as the remnant 🤷🏼♀️
She isn't sop. not herself. As a remnant you will be able to understand prophecy. Read what the remnant is in revelation. Does commandments. Tells about 3 angels messages and has prophecy
At the 1:18:49 mark, Johnsson seems to take comfort or protection from stating, "At that point". As if she could be a False Prophet THEN, but not now. Am I missing something????
Yes you are. You are missing the fact that even John the Baptist himself had had his doubts and change of mind about the Messianic status. But beyond this, you are an extremely bitter person and you won't see that unfortunately. Dr Johnson sat with such a bully as an opponent, with hardly time to complete his statements and explanations, but he handled himself rather humbly and well under the circumstances...
All of the statements simply give their Biblical position so people can know what they believe. Jesus did the same thing. He made the scriptures plain to the people, and yet some of His disciples turned away when He said they had to eat of his flesh and drink of his blood.
'I fear, that if they continue to progress at this... rate, that THE CLASSIFICATION of A CULT, can't POSSIBLY miss... being RE-APPLIED to 7th Day Adventism." -Walter Martin
If the SDA really believes that the Bible is the final and sole authority, why they still continue to believe that in the 1844 Jesus entered the most holy sanctuary? And why their pastors keep on quoting EGW in their teachings as reference?
Yeah! I believe he was hood winked by the elders he met with that they did not hold Ellen as authoritative. As time went on he seen that they were kicking folks out the church and actually making Ellen’s writings authoritative. You can see he’s changing his tune as the conversation continues. He seemed bamboozled by the elders and he’s finally coming to his senses about SDA as a cult.
The Only Infallible Interpreter of the Scriptures is the Holy Ghost who is Himself the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Prophecy, and it is He who in ages past, has moved upon men to describe the great sacrifice of Christ and the glory that should follow.
I can only offer these: On February 7, 1887, the General Conference passed the following resolution, “That we re-affirm our binding confidence in the Testimonies of Sister White to the Church, as the teaching of the Spirit of God.” SDA Year Book for 1914, p. 253. Question? If the Testimonies are as claimed by Adventism, “the teachings of the Spirit of God,” would they NOT BE infallible? “Our position on the Testimonies is like the key-stone to the arch. Take that out and there is no logical stopping-place till all the special truths of the Message are gone...Nothing is surer than this, that the Message and visions (of Mrs. White) belong together, and stand or fall together.” Review and Herald Supplement, August 14, 1883. “It is from the standpoint of the light that has come through the Spirit of Prophecy (Mrs. White’s writings) that the question will be considered, believing as we do that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is the Christ, through this agency, giving real meaning of his own words.” G. A. Irwin, General Conference President, from the tract The Mark of the Beast, p. 1. The highest officer of the Church confesses that E. G. White’s writings are the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles. Believing this, how can we test the writings of E. G. White as being true? The Roman Catholic Church has an infallible interpreter of Scripture, the Popes for nearly 2000 years, and now the Adventism has a "pope" to infallibly interpret Scripture. The good news is that God has given his true Church a true infallible interpreter of Scripture and He is the Holy Spirit-all else is Satan’s counterfeit. EGW is the Infallible Interpreter of Scriptures claim Adventist Leaders "Her (Ellen White’s) abundant literary production includes tens of thousands of Biblical texts, coupled often with detailed expositions. Careful study has shown that her writings are consistent, accurate, and in full agreement with the Scriptures." Seventh-day Adventist Believe, A Biblical Exposition of 27 Fundamental Doctrines, Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1988, pp. 224,225. "The Bible and the writings of Ellen White are inerrant.” Sabbath School-Quarterly; Feb. 11, 1978, Teacher's Edition, p. 112. "There is hope for every remnant believer today who sometimes feels confused at all the differing views taken by different scholars and commentaries. We have that was given for the purpose of settling the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. What do you do when the scholars disagree? Do you have to become a better scholar than the best in order to settle the disagreement in your own mind? No, let me repeat. God has given to our church an inspired commentary to settle the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. And we can still be thankful for that today." Morris Venden, The Pillars, p. 30. "We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other." Ministry, October 1981. "Shall we accept the view that a Seventh-day Adventist theologian is more dependable than a Seventh-day Adventist prophet? I highly respect many of our Seventh-day Adventist theologians. I have sat at their feet and been taught by them. I admire and respect them highly. I would like to remind you, however, that you can search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single text marking out theologians as having the gift of the Holy Sprit. The Scriptures indicate however, that prophets have a gift of the Holy Spirit. Ellen White had that gift and she was canonical insofar as doctrinal interpretation is concerned." Letter from D. A. Delafield trustee of the EGW Estate, to P. C. Drewer, June 24, 1981. “As with ancient prophets, the talking is done by the Holy Spirit through her vocal organs. The prophets spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” Review and Herald, Oct. 5, 1914. -from the truthorfables website
If yhis is true that the Holy Spirit spoke through her, then how did she miss speak so much. The closed door belief. Once she acused God of misleading her with the wrong information. Plus. That Jesus blood didn't atone for our sins. So many more. But just one error in my understanding is too much if the Holy Spirit's work is true in her.
I am speechless 👀 I just have a huge flashback to my childhood and youth. In the 60/70 in Austria. Raised in the spirit of EG White. She made me afraid .
She was a false teacher and prophet. Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv 18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
This is incredible....adventist have no hope....im so glad im free after spending years never feeling like id ever be in Gods good grace, like salvation was impossible. Im am free from this sad lie they call religion
Again, at the 1:28:00, Ankerburg puts Johnsson in a terrible position. Johnsson wants to provide a contrary, more Christlike quote for every terrible quote. But Ankerburg points out, "Yes, but what do you tell the people, do you say that she was wrong when she said the other statements? Cause those were clear as a bell? And you're promoting that book around the world right now. "
The problem with what Johnsson did is that Ellen White said EVERYTHING she wrote came from God. If he believed that she was the spirit of prophecy, then he had to accept all the bad quotes in addition to the good ones. But he refused to do that.
@@hotwax9376=> Ellen G White had no bad quotes. => those who don't believe her published works, will find out in the day of Judgment, if they were right or whether EGW was right. (God is not going to ask people why they believed a lie; but God will ask them, why they did not believe the truth).
I am puzzle...Who is the adventist? Is it one who keeps God's ten commandments including the fourth? And who is the so - called main line christian? Is it one who violate God's perfect , pure,holy just good law ...who will be told on judgement morning ,YOUR WORSHIP WAS IN VAIN? See Psalms 19:7... Romans 7:12. Exodus 20:8- 11. Mathew15:9 Mark 7:7 Pleases explain. Read Ecclesiastes 12:13,14 John 14:15. Isaiah 20:8. Mathew 15:9 . Mark 7:7. Revelation 22:14. Proverbs 28:9 So what? Are you saying SDA ent no christian? You need to go and read your bible.
Christ said that He is “the vine” & His followers “are the branches.” Therefore, regardless of your theological differences, “ye are the fruits of one tree, & the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love & harmony, with friendliness & fellowship.”
William Johnson is just going on circles making statement that on their lessons all were scripture based/quotes, some doesnt have EGW writings on it. Yes you are correct, I was an adventist as well -- texts were from scriptures BUT THE INTERPRETATIONS CAME FROM EGW. She referred to it as "lesser light" to UNDERSTAND the "greater light" which is the Bible. Even if you say that you're quotes were from the Bible, but if you are an Adventist, the interpretations coming from the writings of EGW.
I'm a third generation adventist, I praise God that I'm now able to read the gospel for what it is and NOT through the "visions" of EGW. Most adventist doctrines are half truths with hyper focus on the sabbath, diet and the pope according to EGW. This is not to say that adventists people are bad, they are the most well intentioned people I know. I pray for their freedom from the blinders of EGW.
Hahahahahah.......thank you, Dr john. You've got to disprove Adventists only on the grounds of fundamental beliefs, not on personal comments, not in EGW, or any pastor or professor within the church.
Ok, that part where Walter Martin quoted the SDA prophet where she affirmed Jesus wasn't Eternal god in human flesh was unfortunate in that Martin was hoaxed by William Johnson. The fact is that Ellen's statement in Desire of Ages is categorically an anti-Trinitarian statement ("in him was life unborrowed, eternal....").. The anti-Trinitarian Pioneers made the same statement repeatedly AND ALL IT MEANT was that Christ's deity was ON LOAN and THAT on loan deity WAS THE LIFE IN CHRIST that was eternal. This deity was Christ's to keep provided he didn't mess up and sin.
I heard from some other former SDAs that the organization released a book called Questions on Doctrine to give to Walter Martin and his fellow investigators to get the group off the list as a cult. However, when SDA teachers and ministers began teaching what was in that book regarding certain doctrines they were fired or defrocked. I watched this debate/dialogue years ago but from what I understand listening to some other former SDAs, if the organization would have been honest about what they teach/believe regarding doctrine Dr. Martin never would have listed them as heterodox rather than cultic on the basis of doctrine regardless of their allegiance to Ellen White. Myles, do you have any insight on the book Questions on Doctrine, how the SDA organization misled Dr. Martin, and took advantage of his willingness to "believe all things" and give them the benefit of the doubt rather than being upfront about their doctrinal beliefs? If so that would make an excellent video or podcast.
What the high priest under the law could only enter into once a year was a shadow of what Hebrews said Jesus entered into. It was the presence of God, making it the most holy place, that Jesus entered into as our high priest.
So tell me. Does anybody know if William Johnson was ''disappeared'' after this show like the other guys were? Also, its hard to hear them say that SDA are brothers in Christ when THEY think WE have the mark of the beast by worshipping on Sunday! ALL Christians since the Resurrection have done this. Strange. Thank You for this Myles! lt was fun seeing Walter Martin speak. He was a smart man indeed! :D
I lasted 2 months in the SDA church. They said I didnt have to believe in HGW. ..but noticed that the bible was interpreted via HGW. I couldnt believe their doctrine. When Pastor said the seal of God was for people who observe the Sabbath.I contained myself from rolling on the floor with laughter. Do these people read the bible or just parrot what is taught. If they dont repent they will find out that Hell IS to burn for ever!!!
@@apostolicdoctrine101Ur not addressing the comment THAT SDA'S STATE THE SEAL OF GOD IS THE SABBATH. DONT RUN SHOW SCRIPTURES FROM THE NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES WHICH STATES THE SEAL OF GOD IS THE sabbath. Ur in trouble
@@apostolicdoctrine101 Lol, what does scripture say? ROMANS 14 - 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. By 1863, SDAs decided NO! We don't care what scripture says, we will develop a comprehensive system to attack ANYONE that refuses to esteem our day. Notice that God expresses NO PREFERENCE in the matter. Notice that promoting ANY DAY as superior, IS NOT ENDORSED. SEND 100,000 words next. -you ARE DEFEATED by the word of God
The official channel of the SDA church will not state explicitly that Ellen White is the infallible interpreter of scripture because they know that makes them obviously a cult but she is the de facto infallible interpreter.
@@apostolicdoctrine101 Did you comprehend what I wrote? I did not claim that she or any SDA official claimed she was infallible but that they functionally use her as an infallible authority. But since you ask I will present the fact that she said that everything she wrote came directly from the throne of God in Heaven; "precious light from the throne" is how she put it. Are you aware of that quote?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 I will answer that if you answer this. If she is not an infallible authority then there must be some errors in her writings. Please point out three errors from her writings?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 What? Why have you not answered my simple question? My faith cannot be shaken by anything related to Ellen White. I am convinced she is a false prophet and liar. You are demonstrating that Ellen White is your infallible interpreter of scripture because you cannot identify any mistakes in her writing nor can you show that any other SDA member has pointed out one mistake. That is the definition of infallible. No mistakes. Get it?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 The Holy Spirit must have led you to this channel to teach you something, even though you seem to think otherwise. Can you prove from Scripture alone: That the Spirit of prophecy is not the Holy Spirit? That God's "remnant" is the Seventh-day Adventist church? That "the commandments of God" as used in the New Testament are anything other than the commandments of Jesus as spoken in the New Testament? That "the testimony of Jesus" is anything other than the gospel?
@@apostolicdoctrine101she claimed her writings were a “straight line of truth” without even one error directly from the throne of heaven. If that’s not infallibility then I don’t know what is.
Walter Martin had him really squirming for an answer when he asked him what would happen to anyone who publicly disagreed with Ellen Whites proclamations about the 1844 judgement and other 7th day doctrines.🤔
How often the word church is used wrongly. First and foremost is the entire body of Christ from pentacost until now. Secondly it is body of christ in different cities or regions Thirdly, it might be a particular congregation But never in scripture was it used to describe a denomination. Paul specifically preached against the root cause of denominations in 1st Corinthians: "you say you follow Appolos..."
You are right brother, and our Lord Jesus Christ never teaches what churches organizations have been doing until now. I can say that nowadays the churches organizations are the spiritual companies with their missions to get as much as peoples joint to their organizations as the workers to generate money. Some churches insist tithing as their doctrine whereas Lord Jesus Christ and all the apostles never taught it in New Testament.
The 27 doctrines of adventisim are based on ellens thoughts, picked as apples from the bible out of context and put forth as the man made set of commandments to be a great adventist but not a good christian.
At the end of the day- neither Walter Martin nor William Johnson will stand before the judgement seat on your behalf but YOU-YOURSELF. Work out your salvation is a statement by Paul. All the world is now fighting ELLEN WHITE and accusing her borrowing material, i do not know if Mark copied from Matthew or Luke copied from from both Matthew or Mark. Their message look a like yet they wrote in different periods. I rest my case saying whether she copied, borrowed- her material;- her writings are truly coming to pass.
The true and living God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Ephesians 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ started the Investigative Judgment on October 22, 1844? Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844? Where in the Bible does it say that the door to heaven was shut on October 22, 1844? Those who worship God on Sunday will not receive the mark of the beast. Revelation 13 I could go on. Please read the Bible.
Now why would they get rid of someone who disagrees with White whom they strongly agree with and who is the founder of their denomination? What denomination wouldn't?
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv 18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Borrow is mean loan. She was a thief .. she stole from other writers. Then claimed that they were from the throne of God. Then promptly put a copy right on it and flog it off $$$$$. When the Word says clear don't peddle the Gospel.
Imagine if Walter Martin had brought up the false doctrine of the Sabbath and Sunday being the Mark of the Beast. Johnson's pants would have caught fire.
For me it is interesting that walter martin in the debate with the catholic mitchell pacwa did not have this spirit of debate and vigor or superior attitude as he had with the adventist johnsson
Is this supposed to be a trick question? When you are an Adventist, I suppose that only the sabbath one counts for that is all that counts for them. If you are a Christian, then we do obey the commandments of Jesus - 1st John 2: 3 and they are as follows: "And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us command." 1John 3: 23
@@mitchellosmer1293False! I think you and I may have had this discussion before. Go to the Biblical texts of the 10 Commandments - both versions (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5). How many individual commands are there in each? You'll find four important facts. They are not numbered in the text. They have about 15 commands each. They are not all the same. (Only Deuteronomy has this command: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.") And fourth: the commandments against covetousness are in two different orders. Catholics use the same numbering system as Augustine, who followed the version in Deuteronomy 5 by separating the commands against coveting another's wife from coveting another's possessions. The former pertains to adultery while the other pertains to greed - two different kinds of sins. We also keep the Sabbath but we keep it in the Christian way, not in the way the Jews were commanded to keep it, and especially not in the way Jewish or SDA TRADITIONS demand.
@MiChelle-rb4dd interesting, how did she mis interpret 1844 as the coming of the lord still knowing that only GOD KNOWS THE X THIS HAPPENS WHAT EXSACTLY DO U REMEMBER OLD TESTAMENT SAID IF A PROPHET WAS WRONG? KILL HIM
The whole point of our acceptance of the sacrifice of christ is to be seen as sinless in the eyes of God that we may stand in His presence. John 6 : 29 tells what work is acceptable to God and what works we should do. We are not here to live this life unto ourselves. Christ is our example. Christ saide my reward is with me. He is not judgeing us at any point, our own choices and actions judge us. If we truley love christ , God then we will live our lives in accordance. We will have Gods laws written on our hearts, not on a piece of paper to be checked off. Be blessed
Adventists wants to use the Bible to test EGW when she is according to them the authoritative inspired interepreter of the Bible. This is circular reasoning.
😢 *A poorly set video title.* It presupposes that one is a Christian and the other isn't. Very unfortunate! The bias and hateful intent is clear even before peering into the channel.
"hateful intent" Oh brother. No, Adventism isn't Christian. That's why it's titled that way. Adventism teaches a false gospel and preaches a false Christ. Poke around first before parroting the standard SDA talking points. And when SDAs try and cry victim, it's rather ironic considering they are a part of a movement that bears false witness and slanders the Christian church. It's hardwired into SDA systematic theology. We're apostates, God is angry with us, our prayers are an abomination, we are worse than heathen. I could go on and on and on. Don't cry foul.
God's free gift of abundant grace and the gracious gift of Jesus Christ result in justification and salvation
How can salvation be a totally free gift when the gospel urges us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? (Philippians 2:12b) One thing many of us have always misunderstood: the free gift is first and foremost God's abundant GRACE which he lavished upon us resulting in justification and salvation through the redemption in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as an expiation, through faith, by his blood, to prove his righteousness because of the forgiveness of sins previously committed (Romans 3:24-26 justified freely by his grace, Romans 5:17b God's gift of abundant grace and of the gift of justification). Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God. Romans 5:15 But the gift is not like the transgression. For if by that one person's transgression the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gracious gift of the one person Jesus Christ overflow for the many. Romans 5:20-21The law entered in so that transgression might increase but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. In some sense it seems to me that justification is subordinate/subject to grace, in other words justification is not perfectly equal to grace. Please note that St Paul didn't say to the Galatians that they had lost their salvation but he declared to them that they had fallen from grace and had been severed from Christ. God's free gift of abundant grace can be freely received or denied.
U SAID JUSTIFICATION IS NOT EQUAL TO GRACE? THATS WAT INDOCTRINATION TO UR BRAIN. IT MAKKES U DENY THE SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL. U SRE ADVENTISM IS NO DIFFERENT FROM CATHOLICISM
Everything you have to say can be dismissed once I read the blatant misquoting of scripture. Scripture says propitiation, not expiation. You’re of the devil. Repent and turn
Absolutely. She claimed to be equally inspired as the biblical authors, that her words carried a "thus saith the Lord" type of authority, and that to disagree with her testimonies was to disagree with God Himself.
Ellen G. White was a false prophet and below is what the Holy Bible has to say about it. Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv 18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
So many issues with the sda doctrine in the scriptures the commandment says thou shall not kill but they killed a man who was picking up sticks on the sabbath day it showed also that only the levites tribe was permitted to preach or minister for God these ministers now are not of the tribe of levites yet the commandment said ye should not add are takeaway from it the commandment says no bastard should enter into the congregation to their tenth generation the commandment was instituted by circumcision so baptism is added the gospel is not a part of the old commandment in which women were not required to circumcised the sda called themselves Cristian in the scriptures they are phareseis the scriptures says in act 15 cpt believers of the gospel is not required to keep the sabbath
@@jerrystilwell7666 If you can't find that in chapter 15, than you are for sure spiritual blind as one can get. It speaks to the modernday pharisees (SDA CULT) in no uncertain words, telling them that their sabbath keeping won't save them at all and that your doctrines are out of hell
@jerrystilwell7666 just reviewed my words, my brother. I said in the scriptures that Christians are not instructed to keep the sabbath Jesus gave us a new commandment to love one another and to wash oneanother feet he says as often as we do it we do it in remembrance of him
Pretentious people think they know. The KJV Holy Bible says, they are fools. Do not do surgical reading but study it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and give you wisdom. Surrender and cleanse your heart. Do fasting, let the Lord Jesus Christ give you understanding to learn his words for you. Do not just listen to other experts, open the KJV Holy Bible by yourself.,.,.,
Wonder how many here actually read EGW writing themselves or really went to SDA church themselves. People believe so much off social media and dont do own checking
@jamaicahampton4818 Just wondering how many really study into any different religion or beliefs. Social media has alot of different ones. All so different
@jamaicahampton4818 I listen to different ones but then Being social media I try to find info on different pastors and what they teach. But what I read about egw is she isn't spirit of prophecy herself
@jamaicahampton4818 Yes You are right. I trust KJV best. And answer to what we were talking about Testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10
"Scripture dictates to me, Mrs. White dictates to you... that's the problem." -Walter Martin
Why do you have EGW's picture in your profile? ...if you don't like her 🤔
It's a c∆lt whaddya expect 🤷🏽@@l.glucid9077
Let’s keep it simple why do we need any other book besides the Bible? Do we not have the God to ask for help to understand? Does not the Holy Spirit give us understanding? We need to be patient in waiting for God to answer us. Not jumping the gun and relying on someone else’s book or interpretation on the word.
Amen!
AMEN
It's easy to see who's being straightforward, sincere and honest and who's squirming under the heat of scripture.
@@samuelwilliams1559 Yeah he took them at their word. But here we see that he was starting to wise up. He died soon after
@@samuelwilliams1559 CRI has become apostate. The new leader has rejected the gospel and embraced the Eastern Orthodox religion. Most evangelicals have denounced that institution since then.
@@ureasmith3049
WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN ?
A FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST .
JESUS KEPT THE SABBATH .
JESUS KEPT THE FEAST DAYS .
JESUS KEPT THE DIETARY LAW .
JESUS WAS TO GIVE THE PEOPLE ( ISRAEL ) ALL THAT THEY DESIRED IN HOREB OR MOUNT SINAI .
PLEASE READ VERSES 15-16 .
DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19 , " 15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
WHAT DID THEY DESIRE AT HOREB OR MOUNT SINAI ?
THE TEN COMMANDMENT THAT THE LORD SPOKE TO THEM ; ALSO THE STATUTES , UDGMENTS , COVENANTS , THAT MOSES WILL GIVE THEM , BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID TO HEAR IT FROM THE GOD OF ISRAEL .
THERE IS ALSO A ROMAN CHRISTIAN .
A FOLLOWER OF ROME .
A PARTIAL KEEPER OF THE FIRST DAY , AS THE DAY OF REST .
KEEPS MAN'S HOLIDAYS
EAT ANY UNCLEAN MEAT AS IDENTIFIED BY THE GOD OF ISRAEL , BECAUSE ALL HE HAST TO DO IS PRAY OVER IT .
THE PROTESTANTS WHICH BROKE FROM AWAY ROME , DID THEY NOT BRING MUST OF THE DOCTRINES THAT YOU OBSERVE TODAY FROM ROME ?
SHALOM !
@@messengerisrael3817It is impossible to keep the feasts without a temple & sacrifices and without a Levite priesthood
@@ureasmith3049 You right, samuelwillaims is wrong
SHOULD I BELIVE E.G. WHITE OR THE BIBLE?
1. Was the plan of salvation made before or after the fall?
E.G. White says AFTER the fall (Great Controversy, p.347)
The Bible says BEFORE (Ephesians 1:4:; 1 peter 1:18)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
2. Was Adam deceived by Satan?
E.G. White says YES (Evangelism, p. 589)
The Bible says NOPE (1 Timothy 2:14)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
3. Did pre-flood human beings mate with animals to produce amalgamated created creatures?
E.G. White says YES (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 3,p 64 )
The Bible says NOPE (Genesis 1:24-25- Nowhere in the Bible is it indicated there was amalgamation of human beings and animals before the flood)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
4. Was the tower of Babel built before or after the flood?
E.G. White says BEFORE (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 119)
The Bible says AFTER (Genesis 11:4)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
5. Who bears human's sins?
E.G. White says SATAN (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485-486)
The Bible says JESUS (1 Peter 2:24)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?
I have read so much of what EGW wrote and what others in the church and outside have written about her writings. She calls her writings "little light" that lead people to "greater light", the Bible. The truth is her writings are leading me away from the Bible. Should I believe the Bible or clear heresies of E.G. White?
Fantastic information thank you so much. This confirms what I have always suspected that she is a false prophet. Wolf dressed in sheep's clothing
The dance which Johnson puts on is the same dance the church dances today....one can never get a straight answer from SDA leadership.
@mitchellosmer1293 here is a question please explain from scripture how you get October 22 1844 from Daniel 8:14 ??
@mitchellosmer1293 is Jerusalem is nowhere to be found in Daniel 8:14 . October 22 1844 is nowhere in Daniel 8:14. Your interpretation is very creative 👌 👏
@mitchellosmer1293 here is another question for you to have a go at. Shouldn't the 4th commandment be kept the same way in all SDA sabbath keeping Churches. Why is it that people keep it the way they want to keep it. 🤔
@mitchellosmer1293 hi Mitchell here is another question for you. Sabbath is from sunset to sunset. How do SDA keep Sabbath in parts of country's where there is no sunset for months?
@mitchellosmer1293 please don't be angry. 6pm to 6pm is not in the Bible. God said sunset to sunset. And you say 6pm to 6pm.
The moment Johnsson couldn’t answer Dr. Martin’s question that if he believed his sins were blotted out…
Stunning
The reason why he couldn't answer is because it isnt that simple. If your sins are blotted out, then that is presumption. It does not teach in the Bible that while you are alive you are home free. In fact, it says this: "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Rev 3:5, KJV)"
YOU MUST FIRST OVERCOME. This is what the Bible teaches.
If he said, yes, then the panel and audience would take that to mean that blotting out sins would be the entirety of the answer, which is not the case. It is possible to have your name blotted out of the Book of Life, even after God has taken away your sins, and that means your sins come back upon you - all of them.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv When the priest lays his hands on the goats head, is the transfer. Lev 21:16 -
*_And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat,_* and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: (Lev 16:21, KJV)
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. (Isa 43:25, KJV)
You need to remember that the Lord was talking to people in the midst of their sin, reminding them of the kind of God He was. That is the context. Earlier He is complaining about their iniquities. Look at the whole context. He said similar things, such as I am the Lord your Holy one...
"Creator of Israel..." v 15
"The Lord which makes a way in the sea..." v 16
"Brings forth Chariot and horse..." v 17
He is identifying himself, not merely stating the whole plan He has of His Salvation.
Yes, He does blot out the sins of His People, but we cannot go off sinning after we ask Jesus to forgive. The Bible is clear. Our names can be blotted out of the book of life, as it says in the Book of Revelation. Also, in the passage of the one who was forgiven so much, yet broke the Law by not forgiving his brother - His salvation, was revoked.
@@freeinhabitant2422 it actually is that simple. Read Acts 3:19
"Ah, then you are admitting... Mrs. White is a test of faith." -Walter Martin
I remember watching this years ago as an SDA… brutal showing for Dr. Johnsson.
I guess this is why it’s tough to get big name SDAs to debate people who know their stuff.
Yeah, their big names rarely take the challenge.
@@ureasmith3049they’ll interact with people ignorant of adventism, otherwise they run for the hills. I’d respect them slightly more if they were honest & upfront about what they believe and willing to fight for it.
It's not the job of big-name Adventists to set straight the scoffers...
There will be plenty coming out of Babylon into The Remnant faith.
We are to just preached the message and leave the results to Christ. Good day to you
@@johnellg9399if Adventism is the true church then who was the “true church” 1,800 years before Adventism was founded ?
@@johnellg9399 Wrong. It is up to "apologists" to defend and contend for the faith. Those are marching orders from Christ. And the church was never mandated to preach a new and different gospel for the end-times. There is a reason most of them are afraid to contend for the faith. They know that using scripture alone they would get decimated.
Cognitive dissonance was on full display. Thanks for sharing this.
That's exactly my thoughts. Wow! Wow! Wow! I wish I had known this years ago. Born and raised in Adventism. I don't think my parents knew any of this was going on and Des Ford was a heretic so just don't listen to the rumors.
The adventist leaders did not tell Walter Martin the truth about Ellen White. First, they wouldn't answer his question if she is the infallible interpreter of scripture, then Johnson said she is not. But the truth is, you need to accept Ellen White at baptism. The spirit of prophecy (referring to Ellen White) is one of the baptismal vows. Literally a vow to Ellen White at baptism. As it's been said before.....nobody was ever asked if they will add Isaiah or Elijah or John the baptist as a vow to their baptism. -Ephesians 4:5 there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They really affected Walter Martin's research by not answering his question on Ellen White.
Important observation...
Prophets are obviously not infallible. They need Jesus just like the rest of us. But the word of God given through the prophet is infallible.
This may be my very favorite Ankerberg program. Outstanding! Thank you.
I took "Life and Teachings of JC" with Des Ford at PUC. It was the first time in a lifetime of SDA education, that I was exposed to biblical hermeneutics, in contrast to the "proof text" method of Bible study.
Great presentation- Adventists cannot let go of EGW because they believe her to be the ‘Spirit of prophecy’ which they believe identifies them as the remnant 🤷🏼♀️
She isn't sop. not herself. As a remnant you will be able to understand prophecy. Read what the remnant is in revelation. Does commandments. Tells about 3 angels messages and has prophecy
It's a cult, whaddya expect 🤷🏽🤷🏽
WOW that is interesting...so it comes back to their personal gain
At the 1:18:49 mark, Johnsson seems to take comfort or protection from stating, "At that point". As if she could be a False Prophet THEN, but not now. Am I missing something????
Yes, Johnsson admits Ellen White MIGHT have been functioning as a false prophet. -but only back then
Yes you are. You are missing the fact that even John the Baptist himself had had his doubts and change of mind about the Messianic status. But beyond this, you are an extremely bitter person and you won't see that unfortunately. Dr Johnson sat with such a bully as an opponent, with hardly time to complete his statements and explanations, but he handled himself rather humbly and well under the circumstances...
Did Jesus require anyone to agree... with 27-28 statements?
All of the statements simply give their Biblical position so people can know what they believe. Jesus did the same thing. He made the scriptures plain to the people, and yet some of His disciples turned away when He said they had to eat of his flesh and drink of his blood.
Excellent, thanks for uploading.
Jesus died for all people. 2 Peter 2.
Thanks for posting Myles.
'I fear, that if they continue to progress at this... rate, that THE CLASSIFICATION of A CULT, can't POSSIBLY miss... being RE-APPLIED to 7th Day Adventism." -Walter Martin
Where is that quote from? thnx
@@truthdefenders- From this very video.
@@ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD Ok, I haven't finished watching.thnx.
@@truthdefenders-God doesn't torture people forever. That is sick blasphemous garbage. if you believe that you are sick
What is the reference you quoted from James White as saying about his wife? Present it here and now, please.
This was a gem. Thank you for posting!!
Today, almost every sabbath school quarterly has EGW's statements.
If the SDA really believes that the Bible is the final and sole authority, why they still continue to believe that in the 1844 Jesus entered the most holy sanctuary?
And why their pastors keep on quoting EGW in their teachings as reference?
I love Walter Martin but he was too soft on EGW considering her a Christian woman that just fibbed here and there.
Yeah! I believe he was hood winked by the elders he met with that they did not hold Ellen as authoritative. As time went on he seen that they were kicking folks out the church and actually making Ellen’s writings authoritative. You can see he’s changing his tune as the conversation continues. He seemed bamboozled by the elders and he’s finally coming to his senses about SDA as a cult.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I'm not Roman Catholic. They have a false gospel just like the SDA do.
She never fibbed here and there. I pray you read her works for yourself rather than rely on videos.
The Only Infallible Interpreter of the Scriptures is the Holy Ghost who is Himself the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Prophecy, and it is He who in ages past, has moved upon men to describe the great sacrifice of Christ and the glory that should follow.
Amen
And when the Holy Ghost speaks through those who have the gift of prophecy, that word is infallible.
Where can i find that quote at the 19:23 onwards? ("the bible is the infallible guide but it needs to be....") If anyone knows please let me know.
I can only offer these: On February 7, 1887, the General Conference passed the following resolution, “That we re-affirm our binding confidence in the Testimonies of Sister White to the Church, as the teaching of the Spirit of God.” SDA Year Book for 1914, p. 253.
Question? If the Testimonies are as claimed by Adventism, “the teachings of the Spirit of God,” would they NOT BE infallible?
“Our position on the Testimonies is like the key-stone to the arch. Take that out and there is no logical stopping-place till all the special truths of the Message are gone...Nothing is surer than this, that the Message and visions (of Mrs. White) belong together, and stand or fall together.” Review and Herald Supplement, August 14, 1883.
“It is from the standpoint of the light that has come through the Spirit of Prophecy (Mrs. White’s writings) that the question will be considered, believing as we do that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is the Christ, through this agency, giving real meaning of his own words.” G. A. Irwin, General Conference President, from the tract The Mark of the Beast, p. 1.
The highest officer of the Church confesses that E. G. White’s writings are the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles. Believing this, how can we test the writings of E. G. White as being true? The Roman Catholic Church has an infallible interpreter of Scripture, the Popes for nearly 2000 years, and now the Adventism has a "pope" to infallibly interpret Scripture. The good news is that God has given his true Church a true infallible interpreter of Scripture and He is the Holy Spirit-all else is Satan’s counterfeit.
EGW is the Infallible Interpreter of Scriptures claim Adventist Leaders
"Her (Ellen White’s) abundant literary production includes tens of thousands of Biblical texts, coupled often with detailed expositions. Careful study has shown that her writings are consistent, accurate, and in full agreement with the Scriptures." Seventh-day Adventist Believe, A Biblical Exposition of 27 Fundamental Doctrines, Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1988, pp. 224,225.
"The Bible and the writings of Ellen White are inerrant.” Sabbath School-Quarterly; Feb. 11, 1978, Teacher's Edition, p. 112.
"There is hope for every remnant believer today who sometimes feels confused at all the differing views taken by different scholars and commentaries. We have that was given for the purpose of settling the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. What do you do when the scholars disagree? Do you have to become a better scholar than the best in order to settle the disagreement in your own mind? No, let me repeat. God has given to our church an inspired commentary to settle the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. And we can still be thankful for that today." Morris Venden, The Pillars, p. 30.
"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other." Ministry, October 1981.
"Shall we accept the view that a Seventh-day Adventist theologian is more dependable than a Seventh-day Adventist prophet? I highly respect many of our Seventh-day Adventist theologians. I have sat at their feet and been taught by them. I admire and respect them highly. I would like to remind you, however, that you can search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single text marking out theologians as having the gift of the Holy Sprit. The Scriptures indicate however, that prophets have a gift of the Holy Spirit. Ellen White had that gift and she was canonical insofar as doctrinal interpretation is concerned." Letter from D. A. Delafield trustee of the EGW Estate, to P. C. Drewer, June 24, 1981.
“As with ancient prophets, the talking is done by the Holy Spirit through her vocal organs. The prophets spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” Review and Herald, Oct. 5, 1914.
-from the truthorfables website
If yhis is true that the Holy Spirit spoke through her, then how did she miss speak so much. The closed door belief. Once she acused God of misleading her with the wrong information. Plus. That Jesus blood didn't atone for our sins. So many more. But just one error in my understanding is too much if the Holy Spirit's work is true in her.
I am speechless 👀 I just have a huge flashback to my childhood and youth. In the 60/70 in Austria. Raised in the spirit of EG White. She made me afraid .
She was a false teacher and prophet.
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
@@ToOpen6seven Praise the Lord, what He spoke through her is coming to pass right now as we speak.
The guy said we find a “wide spectrum of belief” that sounds like the LGBTQ MOVEMENT
Too bad we will never see classy God focused talk shows like this again.
Thank you for sharing this video. Keep up the good work and God bless you.
Ellen G White was right... both of them were wrong:
1) Martin was dead wrong
2) a coward (mostly wrong).
Sounds so Watchtower !
Many groups came from northeast even LDS
I've seen these discussions before but they never get old. SDA deflection vs pepper exegesis.
This is incredible....adventist have no hope....im so glad im free after spending years never feeling like id ever be in Gods good grace, like salvation was impossible. Im am free from this sad lie they call religion
Again, at the 1:28:00, Ankerburg puts Johnsson in a terrible position. Johnsson wants to provide a contrary, more Christlike quote for every terrible quote. But Ankerburg points out, "Yes, but what do you tell the people, do you say that she was wrong when she said the other statements? Cause those were clear as a bell? And you're promoting that book around the world right now. "
And how fitting seeing as their Great Controversy Project 2.0 started this year and they’re doing the same thing.
The problem with what Johnsson did is that Ellen White said EVERYTHING she wrote came from God. If he believed that she was the spirit of prophecy, then he had to accept all the bad quotes in addition to the good ones. But he refused to do that.
@@hotwax9376=> Ellen G White had no bad quotes.
=> those who don't believe her published works, will find out in the day of Judgment, if they were right or whether EGW was right.
(God is not going to ask people why they believed a lie; but God will ask them, why they did not believe the truth).
@@l.glucid9077 Uh, yes she did. She repeatedly endorsed salvation by works in her writings, and I can give you some quotes if you want.
@@hotwax9376 => do give those quotes, if you don't mind:
I wish I had watched this video years ago before I converted. Your doing a great work with this CZcams channel
Borrowed???Burrowed???
More like STOLE!!!!
It sounds like SDA church has more faith in EGW than the Ultimate teacher, the Holy Spirit.😊
What year was this from?
1985
Concerning Sabbath school quarterly, they have the teachers guide with EGW notes for the lesson.
"She (Ellen White) made false statements." -Walter Martin
Thank you.
Thanks for the heads up...went and watched the original video the other night. Mr Johnson was dancing for his life....
I am puzzle...Who is the adventist?
Is it one who keeps God's ten commandments including the fourth?
And who is the so - called main line christian?
Is it one who violate God's perfect , pure,holy just good law ...who will be told on judgement morning ,YOUR WORSHIP WAS IN VAIN?
See Psalms 19:7...
Romans 7:12.
Exodus 20:8- 11.
Mathew15:9
Mark 7:7
Pleases explain.
Read Ecclesiastes 12:13,14
John 14:15.
Isaiah 20:8.
Mathew 15:9 .
Mark 7:7.
Revelation 22:14.
Proverbs 28:9
So what? Are you saying SDA ent no christian?
You need to go and read your bible.
I’m open for discussion. If anybody wants to talk.
Dr Martin was an absolute beast when it came to defending the faith.
Christ said that He is “the vine” & His followers “are the branches.” Therefore, regardless of your theological differences, “ye are the fruits of one tree, & the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love & harmony, with friendliness & fellowship.”
The most satisfying exposure of the sda cult so far have ever watched I repeat again it's hard to defend a lie
William Johnson is just going on circles making statement that on their lessons all were scripture based/quotes, some doesnt have EGW writings on it. Yes you are correct, I was an adventist as well -- texts were from scriptures BUT THE INTERPRETATIONS CAME FROM EGW. She referred to it as "lesser light" to UNDERSTAND the "greater light" which is the Bible. Even if you say that you're quotes were from the Bible, but if you are an Adventist, the interpretations coming from the writings of EGW.
This SDA dude was such a worm.
All SDA followers are worms.
I'm a third generation adventist, I praise God that I'm now able to read the gospel for what it is and NOT through the "visions" of EGW. Most adventist doctrines are half truths with hyper focus on the sabbath, diet and the pope according to EGW.
This is not to say that adventists people are bad, they are the most well intentioned people I know. I pray for their freedom from the blinders of EGW.
Hahahahahah.......thank you, Dr john. You've got to disprove Adventists only on the grounds of fundamental beliefs, not on personal comments, not in EGW, or any pastor or professor within the church.
Bingo!
Ok, that part where Walter Martin quoted the SDA prophet where she affirmed Jesus wasn't Eternal god in human flesh was unfortunate in that Martin was hoaxed by William Johnson. The fact is that Ellen's statement in Desire of Ages is categorically an anti-Trinitarian statement ("in him was life unborrowed, eternal....").. The anti-Trinitarian Pioneers made the same statement repeatedly AND ALL IT MEANT was that Christ's deity was ON LOAN and THAT on loan deity WAS THE LIFE IN CHRIST that was eternal. This deity was Christ's to keep provided he didn't mess up and sin.
Oh, Myles I know you're busy and all but read your email - I've been trying to give you some stuff I think you'd like very much.
Johnson is dancing around the questions
THIS TALK SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE GOVERNMENT! Dance around, and Don't give a straight answer. Makes my blood boil!!!
The host's hair is so very mesmerizing!
It wud be good if someone could summarise.
GREAT JOB MYLES
At 3:34Walter Martin said" SDA literature is a morass of contradiction - absolutely correct.. Also their Mark of the Beast gibberish
I heard from some other former SDAs that the organization released a book called Questions on Doctrine to give to Walter Martin and his fellow investigators to get the group off the list as a cult. However, when SDA teachers and ministers began teaching what was in that book regarding certain doctrines they were fired or defrocked.
I watched this debate/dialogue years ago but from what I understand listening to some other former SDAs, if the organization would have been honest about what they teach/believe regarding doctrine Dr. Martin never would have listed them as heterodox rather than cultic on the basis of doctrine regardless of their allegiance to Ellen White.
Myles, do you have any insight on the book Questions on Doctrine, how the SDA organization misled Dr. Martin, and took advantage of his willingness to "believe all things" and give them the benefit of the doubt rather than being upfront about their doctrinal beliefs?
If so that would make an excellent video or podcast.
So after all that why would Martin speak of E.G.W. or any SDA as Christian, doesn't make sense? What a freaking mess!!!
If you don't agree with their doctrines, don't work for them and don't be surprised if they ask you to leave. Same for any denomination.
What the high priest under the law could only enter into once a year was a shadow of what Hebrews said Jesus entered into. It was the presence of God, making it the most holy place, that Jesus entered into as our high priest.
So tell me. Does anybody know if William Johnson was ''disappeared'' after this show like the other guys were? Also, its hard to hear them say that SDA are brothers in Christ when THEY think WE have the mark of the beast by worshipping on Sunday! ALL Christians since the Resurrection have done this. Strange. Thank You for this Myles! lt was fun seeing Walter Martin speak. He was a smart man indeed! :D
I lasted 2 months in the SDA church. They said I didnt have to believe in HGW. ..but noticed that the bible was interpreted via HGW. I couldnt believe their doctrine. When Pastor said the seal of God was for people who observe the Sabbath.I contained myself from rolling on the floor with laughter. Do these people read the bible or just parrot what is taught. If they dont repent they will find out that Hell IS to burn for ever!!!
@@apostolicdoctrine101it will burn forever. Read Rev. 20:10
@@apostolicdoctrine101Ur not addressing the comment THAT SDA'S STATE THE SEAL OF GOD IS THE SABBATH.
DONT RUN SHOW SCRIPTURES FROM THE NEW COVENANT SCRIPTURES WHICH STATES THE SEAL OF GOD IS THE sabbath. Ur in trouble
@@apostolicdoctrine101 Gross. You know the demons are subject to us, but men (and women) are free to lie. -it's kinda sad
@@apostolicdoctrine101 Lol, what does scripture say? ROMANS 14 - 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike.
Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
By 1863, SDAs decided NO! We don't care what scripture says, we will develop a comprehensive system to attack ANYONE that refuses to esteem our day.
Notice that God expresses NO PREFERENCE in the matter.
Notice that promoting ANY DAY as superior, IS NOT ENDORSED.
SEND 100,000 words next.
-you ARE DEFEATED by the word of God
@robertstephenson6806 Are you trying to make a claim? Need help with Isaiah? -let's focus on one thing at a time
The official channel of the SDA church will not state explicitly that Ellen White is the infallible interpreter of scripture because they know that makes them obviously a cult but she is the de facto infallible interpreter.
@@apostolicdoctrine101 Did you comprehend what I wrote?
I did not claim that she or any SDA official claimed she was infallible but that they functionally use her as an infallible authority.
But since you ask I will present the fact that she said that everything she wrote came directly from the throne of God in Heaven; "precious light from the throne" is how she put it.
Are you aware of that quote?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 I will answer that if you answer this.
If she is not an infallible authority then there must be some errors in her writings.
Please point out three errors from her writings?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 What?
Why have you not answered my simple question?
My faith cannot be shaken by anything related to Ellen White.
I am convinced she is a false prophet and liar.
You are demonstrating that Ellen White is your infallible interpreter of scripture because you cannot identify any mistakes in her writing nor can you show that any other SDA member has pointed out one mistake.
That is the definition of infallible. No mistakes.
Get it?
@@apostolicdoctrine101 The Holy Spirit must have led you to this channel to teach you something, even though you seem to think otherwise.
Can you prove from Scripture alone:
That the Spirit of prophecy is not the Holy Spirit?
That God's "remnant" is the Seventh-day Adventist church?
That "the commandments of God" as used in the New Testament are anything other than the commandments of Jesus as spoken in the New Testament?
That "the testimony of Jesus" is anything other than the gospel?
@@apostolicdoctrine101she claimed her writings were a “straight line of truth” without even one error directly from the throne of heaven. If that’s not infallibility then I don’t know what is.
Walter Martin had him really squirming for an answer when he asked him what would happen to anyone who publicly disagreed with Ellen Whites proclamations about the 1844 judgement and other 7th day doctrines.🤔
How often the word church is used wrongly.
First and foremost is the entire body of Christ from pentacost until now.
Secondly it is body of christ in different cities or regions
Thirdly, it might be a particular congregation
But never in scripture was it used to describe a denomination. Paul specifically preached against the root cause of denominations in 1st Corinthians: "you say you follow Appolos..."
Religion is very good business. Billions of dollars and thousands of jobs generated.
And even more fools that fall in line to be deceived.
You are right brother, and our Lord Jesus Christ never teaches what churches organizations have been doing until now. I can say that nowadays the churches organizations are the spiritual companies with their missions to get as much as peoples joint to their organizations as the workers to generate money. Some churches insist tithing as their doctrine whereas Lord Jesus Christ and all the apostles never taught it in New Testament.
The 27 doctrines of adventisim are based on ellens thoughts, picked as apples from the bible out of context and put forth as the man made set of commandments to be a great adventist but not a good christian.
"Everything James White says, necessary to DISPROVE his wife's authority... has now been demonstrated. -Walter Martin
At the end of the day- neither Walter Martin nor William Johnson will stand before the judgement seat on your behalf but YOU-YOURSELF. Work out your salvation is a statement by Paul. All the world is now fighting ELLEN WHITE and accusing her borrowing material, i do not know if Mark copied from Matthew or Luke copied from from both Matthew or Mark. Their message look a like yet they wrote in different periods. I rest my case saying whether she copied, borrowed- her material;- her writings are truly coming to pass.
The true and living God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Ephesians 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment.
Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ started the Investigative Judgment on October 22, 1844?
Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus Christ entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844?
Where in the Bible does it say that the door to heaven was shut on October 22, 1844?
Those who worship God on Sunday will not receive the mark of the beast.
Revelation 13
I could go on.
Please read the Bible.
Hebrews 9
ESV - Most Holy Place,
”And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;“
Hebrews 9:3 KJV
One word always comes to mind....'slippery'.
Now why would they get rid of someone who disagrees with White whom they strongly agree with and who is the founder of their denomination? What denomination wouldn't?
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Borrow is mean loan. She was a thief .. she stole from other writers. Then claimed that they were from the throne of God. Then promptly put a copy right on it and flog it off $$$$$. When the Word says clear don't peddle the Gospel.
Good point!
What ever happened to Johnsson, was Martin right that he would be removed for his position?
No. He never challenged 1844 and the investigative judgement like Des Ford was brave enough to do.
“So he referred me to someone else “ typical
Imagine if Walter Martin had brought up the false doctrine of the Sabbath and Sunday being the Mark of the Beast. Johnson's pants would have caught fire.
For me it is interesting that walter martin in the debate with the catholic mitchell pacwa did not have this spirit of debate and vigor or superior attitude as he had with the adventist johnsson
This situation was more personal for Walter. SDA leadership basically reversed what they told him in their meetings decades prior.
Question how many commandments are we to keep out of ten?
Is this supposed to be a trick question?
When you are an Adventist, I suppose that only the sabbath one counts for that is all that counts for them.
If you are a Christian, then we do obey the commandments of Jesus - 1st John 2: 3 and they are as follows: "And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us command." 1John 3: 23
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Yes, for sure the Adventists jumped on the wrong train.
@@mitchellosmer1293False! I think you and I may have had this discussion before. Go to the Biblical texts of the 10 Commandments - both versions (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5). How many individual commands are there in each? You'll find four important facts. They are not numbered in the text. They have about 15 commands each. They are not all the same. (Only Deuteronomy has this command: "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.") And fourth: the commandments against covetousness are in two different orders. Catholics use the same numbering system as Augustine, who followed the version in Deuteronomy 5 by separating the commands against coveting another's wife from coveting another's possessions. The former pertains to adultery while the other pertains to greed - two different kinds of sins.
We also keep the Sabbath but we keep it in the Christian way, not in the way the Jews were commanded to keep it, and especially not in the way Jewish or SDA TRADITIONS demand.
@@mitchellosmer1293P.S. I'll try to address verses 4-6 tomorrow.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I have explained all that before. You don't think like a Christian, so you didn't comprehend my answer.
How can you be mediator and judge ? Thats a question they didnt much care for this point.
About 17:35 mark -
Is egw the infallible interpreter of scripture ?
Yes!
@@MiChelle-rb4dd
Some really strong stuff you are smoking, are you sure its legal?
@MiChelle-rb4dd interesting, how did she mis interpret 1844 as the coming of the lord still knowing that only GOD KNOWS THE X THIS HAPPENS WHAT EXSACTLY DO U REMEMBER OLD TESTAMENT SAID IF A PROPHET WAS WRONG? KILL HIM
Alot of Pastor disagree with Ellen White Health message in practice because they eat flesh but they are not fired🤷🤷🤷
The whole point of our acceptance of the sacrifice of christ is to be seen as sinless in the eyes of God that we may stand in His presence. John 6 : 29 tells what work is acceptable to God and what works we should do. We are not here to live this life unto ourselves. Christ is our example. Christ saide my reward is with me. He is not judgeing us at any point, our own choices and actions judge us. If we truley love christ , God then we will live our lives in accordance. We will have Gods laws written on our hearts, not on a piece of paper to be checked off. Be blessed
Dr William Johnson is sooo calm.
and yet sooo wrong
the last call > revel, 18 ,4 , revel, 14, 9 ,10,
Adventists wants to use the Bible to test EGW when she is according to them the authoritative inspired interepreter of the Bible. This is circular reasoning.
😢 *A poorly set video title.*
It presupposes that one is a Christian and the other isn't.
Very unfortunate! The bias and hateful intent is clear even before peering into the channel.
"hateful intent"
Oh brother. No, Adventism isn't Christian. That's why it's titled that way. Adventism teaches a false gospel and preaches a false Christ. Poke around first before parroting the standard SDA talking points.
And when SDAs try and cry victim, it's rather ironic considering they are a part of a movement that bears false witness and slanders the Christian church. It's hardwired into SDA systematic theology.
We're apostates, God is angry with us, our prayers are an abomination, we are worse than heathen. I could go on and on and on. Don't cry foul.
No, she is not infallible.
God's free gift of abundant grace and the gracious gift of Jesus Christ result in justification and salvation
How can salvation be a totally free gift when the gospel urges us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? (Philippians 2:12b) One thing many of us have always misunderstood: the free gift is first and foremost God's abundant GRACE which he lavished upon us resulting in justification and salvation through the redemption in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as an expiation, through faith, by his blood, to prove his righteousness because of the forgiveness of sins previously committed (Romans 3:24-26 justified freely by his grace, Romans 5:17b God's gift of abundant grace and of the gift of justification). Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God.
Romans 5:15 But the gift is not like the transgression. For if by that one person's transgression the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gracious gift of the one person Jesus Christ overflow for the many.
Romans 5:20-21The law entered in so that transgression might increase but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. In some sense it seems to me that justification is subordinate/subject to grace, in other words justification is not perfectly equal to grace.
Please note that St Paul didn't say to the Galatians that they had lost their salvation but he declared to them that they had fallen from grace and had been severed from Christ.
God's free gift of abundant grace can be freely received or denied.
U SAID JUSTIFICATION IS NOT EQUAL TO GRACE?
THATS WAT INDOCTRINATION TO UR BRAIN. IT MAKKES U DENY THE SIMPLICITY OF THE GOSPEL. U SRE ADVENTISM IS NO DIFFERENT FROM CATHOLICISM
Everything you have to say can be dismissed once I read the blatant misquoting of scripture. Scripture says propitiation, not expiation. You’re of the devil. Repent and turn
That's how sneaky adventists are😂😂😂
So Ellen G White is like a Pope.
Absolutely. She claimed to be equally inspired as the biblical authors, that her words carried a "thus saith the Lord" type of authority, and that to disagree with her testimonies was to disagree with God Himself.
Ellen G. White was a false prophet and below is what the Holy Bible has to say about it.
Deuteronomy 18:18-22 kjv
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Are your sins blotted out good questions.
He believed she was a Christian but plagiarized ? Really?
So many issues with the sda doctrine in the scriptures the commandment says thou shall not kill but they killed a man who was picking up sticks on the sabbath day it showed also that only the levites tribe was permitted to preach or minister for God these ministers now are not of the tribe of levites yet the commandment said ye should not add are takeaway from it the commandment says no bastard should enter into the congregation to their tenth generation the commandment was instituted by circumcision so baptism is added the gospel is not a part of the old commandment in which women were not required to circumcised the sda called themselves Cristian in the scriptures they are phareseis the scriptures says in act 15 cpt believers of the gospel is not required to keep the sabbath
Amen
Nowhere in Acts 15 does it change the Sabbath. Where did you get that from.
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If you can't find that in chapter 15, than you are for sure spiritual blind as one can get.
It speaks to the modernday pharisees (SDA CULT) in no uncertain words, telling them that their sabbath keeping won't save them at all and that your doctrines are out of hell
The scriptures say Jesus gave us a new commandment, which is the gospel he that believes and is baptise shall be save
@jerrystilwell7666 just reviewed my words, my brother. I said in the scriptures that Christians are not instructed to keep the sabbath Jesus gave us a new commandment to love one another and to wash oneanother feet he says as often as we do it we do it in remembrance of him
Pretentious people think they know.
The KJV Holy Bible says, they are fools. Do not do surgical reading but study it. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide and give you wisdom. Surrender and cleanse your heart. Do fasting, let the Lord Jesus Christ give you understanding to learn his words for you. Do not just listen to other experts, open the KJV Holy Bible by yourself.,.,.,
Open a bible that translates Daniel 8:14 properly. -and doesn't mix up Jesus w/ Joshua in Hebrews 4
That's why there are many sects within SDA.
If the Investigative Judgement is true them Jesus is the Little Horn of Daniel.
If EGW did in fact teach what Martin said, then why on earth would he ever consider her or any SDA as a Christian? Crazy!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how many here actually read EGW writing themselves or really went to SDA church themselves. People believe so much off social media and dont do own checking
Are you in favor of their teachings? Is this not from the 70s or something
@jamaicahampton4818 Just wondering how many really study into any different religion or beliefs. Social media has alot of different ones. All so different
@jamaicahampton4818 I listen to different ones but then Being social media I try to find info on different pastors and what they teach. But what I read about egw is she isn't spirit of prophecy herself
@@lindaschipansky4429Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Every other religion is false. Read the KJV the world is liar.
@jamaicahampton4818 Yes You are right. I trust KJV best. And answer to what we were talking about Testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10