I would barely call this a debate. This is two anti-catholic Protestants inviting a Catholic priest onto television, not letting him speak more than half a thought, interrupting him, and straw manning his position while he sits there silently.
John 20: 23 "If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained.” The apostles couldn't agree more to Fr. Pacwa knowing that they can actually RETAIN sin. And Jesus assured them that they are indeed retained. Powerful statement! 😊
There needs to be a one on one debate no double teaming on the other. I'm not Catholic, but a double teaming is not right. The moderator is only to moderate the debate and be totally neutral down the middle. Regardless of his own standing with God or his views.
If you also notice at the beginning that when they first introduced what the Catholic Church taught the music was a bit gloomy as compared to the lively, up beat, sunshine type of music of the Protestant teaching. Just sayin...
There is a big difference between repenting and confessing your sins IN A MIRROR, or an EMPTY ROOM, or in YOUR OWN MIND... versus getting your courage up, feeling so much remorse for your wrongdoings, and physically bringing your butt down to the Church and going into a confession with another brother in Christ, and resolving the matter like an upright man. I'm sorry. I screwed up. This is how. This is what happened. How can we avoid this from becoming a repeat offense? Etc You will walk out of that confession feeling like a million bucks. Feeling like a man with the grace of God residing inside his body. And IT IS. IT WORKS. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROCESS. PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND RUN YOUR RACE! 🙏
Every Catholic I know, who has been away from Confession and returns sometimes after years, can literally feel a weight lifted off of them after confession. It is a powerful sacrament and I know when the words of absolution are given it is not a priest but Christ who is saying them.
What I don't like about these old debates is that as a mediator Ankerberg should keep time and make sure that people do not let their feelings get the better of them during a debate. As such I keep seeing Ankerberg tag team with Walter Martin.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
Fr. Mitch Pacwa have clearly explained the importance of the Sacrament of reconciliation which the protestant clearly opposed. It is a sacrament instituted by Christ after His resurrection. When Jesus said to the apostles and I quote " If you forgive anyone"s sins they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins they are retained" . Another disturbing point that I noticed in this debate is that it is one sided, the moderator keep interrupting Fr. Pacwa when he is explaining the facts and interjecting his own opinion. Is he supposed to be a moderator and not a debater. I find that Fr. Pacwa was not only debating with Martin but also with the moderator. It makes you feel that there is a conscious effort to sabotage Fr. Pacwa. Good work Fr. Pacwa for standing and defending the truth.
Dario Joaquin me I see the same but they can not understand God by human knowledge unless by spirit 1corinthians2:12 ....now that we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. that is why we Catholic you cannot get to understand us unless by spirit which is over Catholics. these other Christians can't sincere the you humen knowledge to understand God's nature?
Geez it is hard enough getting one Catholic to come. I don't think that it were here what the amount of people that were the problem. Cause even if you had a half a protestant, it would still be the substantive: half a protestant equals 2 to 1 versus Catholic. The Catholic needs a lot of explaining into The Bible, to defend it. Where the here Protestant explains a lot out of what is actually in The Bible to get to the context.
@@1234poppycat I disagree. I left the Catholic Church in the early 90's as a result of this debate between Fr. Pacwa and Dr. Martin. I watched all six hours of the discussion and I was persuaded by Dr. Martin
@@vizini2682 Fr Pacwa clearly won in the debate against both Walter Martin and John Ankerberg. I lost count the number of times Martin was floundering and Ankerberg deflected or just said we are going for a break … will you give me a reference so I will be able to find the debate in which Martin won?
@@1234poppycat Well, that's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but I was convinced enough from this debate back in the late 80's to leave the Catholic church
The 'priest' was mis-applying Scripure. He was being dishonest. John Ankerberg CAUGHT him doing that and called him out on it ... by interrupting him. Learn. Your Bible.
As a Catholic growing up, the priest always had a standard penance. Something like three Hail Mary's and four Our Fathers. It was never actually penance that was the goal, it was the confession of the sins. It only made one feel forgiven that bought into it.
Ankerberg: We only have two minutes left, let me bring up some counterpoints! Father Pacwa: attempts to address counterpoints quickly Ankerberg: Stop! We only have one minute left! GET HIM, DR. MARTIN!
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
Look at it the other way: Why are you afraid to tell any man your sins? Jesus says the approval of mortals means nothing. So confess. Don't be afraid. God has set this up for you to. Confess with no fear.
ALL the sacraments are in accordance with the Bible. The hate preachers also say no scripture to back up the Eucharist as the body of Christ .... I just have 12 verses fro them Remember the Catholic Church is the most scriptural by far!!! Now the 12 .. ......Mark 14:22-24 While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take it; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. Luke 22:19-20 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh." John 6:53-57 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. read more. John 13:1-4 Now before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He would depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. During supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray Him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God, read more. Acts 2:42 They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Acts 2:46-47 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favour with all the people And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 1 Corinthians 10:21-22 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we? 1 Corinthians 11:20-34 Therefore when you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper, for in your eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise you. read more. For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment The remaining matters I will arrange when I come. Oh it is really great being a Catholic .... the richness of the sacraments, all of scripture the personal relationship with Christ ....
This FORMER Protestant (me) ALSO Loves the Catholic church. Protestantism is FALSE and it doesn't come from Jesus. Furthermore their doctrines are false and they do not have an accurate bible either. PROOF: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) ---------- Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
@@cosmickitty5693 mentioning 2 Mace means nothing, it is without foundation here. Matt 12:32 does NOT imply sins are forgiven in the world to come. 1 Peter 3:19, Jesus PROCLAIMED to the spirits in Prison. and so on. The very fact that you call protestants lost and false Christians, condemning them all, is mighty callous of you.
@@troywright359 1. That is an opinion that is not based in reality. Just because Luther removed those books without the permission of the writer(s), does not invalidate any of the 7 books. The bible was not his property and he had no authority to change it. 2. I did not call anyone "Lost" I simply said that Protestantism was started by Men and not by Jesus. and that is a fact of history. Kindly do not claim that I said something that I did not say. I take the warnings in the bible (such as MATT 7:2) very seriously and unlike the many protestant who condemn me as "lost" I always try not to judge the salvation of others.
Bible Contradicts Roman Catholicism. to help Roman Catholics see how the exalt Mary so exceedingly, that it approaches, if not commits, idolatry. Do you pray to Mary? “Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father,” (CCC 2679). Do you believe that Mary is capable of hearing all people’s prayers to her, both spoken and thought, in different languages, all over the world, all of the same time? May the Blessed Virgin hear your every prayer,” (Message of John Paul II, read by H. E. Msgr. Francesco Marchisano, Grotto of our Lady of Lourdes in the Vatican Gardens, Saturday, 31, May 2003). Do you bow before statues of Mary? I could not find any official statement advocating Roman Catholics to bow before statues of Mary, but it goes without saying that it occurs everywhere. Do you believe that when considering the church’s origin, mission, and destiny, there is no better way to look into Mary? (Logically, in context, this means that looking to Jesus is not better than looking to Mary?) “After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary,” (CCC 972). Do you believe that Mary’s prayers deliver your souls from death? “…You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death,” (CCC 966) Do you entrust your cares to Mary? “Holy Mary, Mother of God…we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her: she prays for us as she prayed for herself: ‘Let it be to me according to your word.’ [Lk 1:38] By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her: ‘Thy will be done,'” (CCC 2677). Do you believe that Mary sits at the right hand of Christ? “…she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus “sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high” (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son…,” (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14). Do you believe that Mary is second only to Jesus? “Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son” (Vatican Council II, p. 421) Do you believe that you cannot go straight to Christ, but must go to Jesus only through Mary? “so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother,” (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914). Do you believe that Mary was preserved from original sin? She was “Preserved free from all stain of original sin,” (CCC, par. 966). Do you believe that Mary is our mediator? “The Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix,” (CCC par. 969). Do you believe that Mary helped make atonement for our sins? “…Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine son for men, made atonement for the sins of man and (de congruon) merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner, she cooperates in the subjective redemption of mankind.” (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ott, page 213). Do you believe that Mary crushed the head of the serpent? “All our hope do we repose in the most Blessed Virgin-in the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world,” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus). None of these things are found in the Bible. But that has not stopped the Roman Catholic Church from promoting them. This is nothing short of idolatry.
I have not loved the way how the moderator behaved, I love the way the Priest debates & the Dr.Martin. Instead the Moderator became the debater, I don't think that i will enjoy watching debates moderated by this man.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
34:19. Pacwa doesn't seem to understand Protestant theology here on this point. We believe justification does cover our sins, rather takes them away so that God sees the righteousness of His Son instead of our sins but we do not teach that this imputation of Christ's righteousness comes upon any who are not also given a new heart and begin the inward transformation of sanctification. If you are not being progressively sanctified, you were never justified.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
Yes, you can find a lot of it at youtube. Just search for Fr. Mitch Pacwa's Debate and you'll find more than a dozen of his debates with Dr. Walter Martin, James White, Ken Samples and etc.
Adding to the merits of Christ? it's literally defined as a work only possible because, and using, and empowered by the merits and grace of Christ?! False dichotomy after false dichotmoy.
@@troywright359 Yes, and inasmuch as they are evidence, they are just as necessary, and voluntary, as the faith. So in that sense, to have no works is to have no true faith. Abraham sacrificing Isaac is his faith. It's not 'salvation by sacrifice' or anything.
@@AveChristusRex He trusted God first and then went to do the works. Had he fallen down dead before being able to carry out works, he still would have been credited as believing.
@@troywright359 "He trusted God first and then went to do the works. Had he fallen down dead before being able to carry out works, he still would have been credited as believing." Right. That's exactly what the teaching of the Church is. We don't think the actual performance of the work produces the justification, but the faith/will that led to its fruition (unless prevented as you mentioned). In other words, not doing good works, is directly equivalent to not having the faith. So to speak of one is by definition to speak to the other. There is no fruitless faith anywhere in the universe.
If every person here spent ONE HOUR IN GOD'S WORD EVERY SINGLE DAY .. this ridicuculous debate would not have to happen. When people argue scripture and they express opinions not based on Scripture, one can easily discern they spend no time in God's Word. THink of the hours people have WAASTED on televsion. You don't think God will hold them accountable for wasting our lives, when we could have educated ourselves properly in just who God is and what He wants from us?
Pacwa just doesn’t get it. He argues you need to do penance no matter what the Bible says. THE BIBLE MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR IN JOHN20:21 AGAIN JESUS SAID, “PEACE BE WITH YOU! AS THE FATHER HAS SENT ME, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE’S SINS, THEIR SINS ARE FORGIVEN; IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE THEM, THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN.” IRONIC, HOW CAN MY GOD, LORD, AND SAVIOR ASK US TO FORGIVE OTHER PEOPLES SINS IF WE ARE ALL SINNERS? FATHER PACWA WAS GANGED ALL DAY BY 2 PROTESTANTS (WALTER MARTIN AND ANKERBURG). GOD BLESS YOU.
Protestants don't understand penance. Look at it this way, if you kill my brother, you go to confession & yr absolved. Penance will involve you making peace with my family to obtain my forgiveness, if you dont obtain my forgiveness , you are not safe, so you will need God's purification to enter heaven to remove the guilt & effect of your sin.
A Catholic priest can absolve you of your Mortal sins but the mortal sins of that priest cannot be absolve by the priest himself. This proves that the priest don't forgive sins because if he is the forgiving power, surely the priest himself can forgive his own mortal sin. But, the priest can't. He is powerless to forgive his own mortal sins. In fact, a priest cannot forgive mortal sins of another priest. The Guilty priest should confess his mortal sins to a Bishop On King David's adultery, If God says "David, you have confessed to me and you are forgiven TOTALLY!" David should not return Bathseba to Uriah if the latter is still living? For the Catholic church, it's- you must return the stolen goods. For Walter Martin, no need to return anything, you are totally forgiven
"The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the Lord, the son born to you will die’” (2 Samuel 12:10-14). King David still suffered Temporal punishments for his sins. His son was the life returned for the life he had taken. I'm pretty sure a priest can not forgive his own mortal sins because he has lost his own salvation once the mortal sin was committed; in other words he forfeited himself (his priesthood and his very salvation) to Satan and must seek absolution to be restored to wholeness once again.
John20:21-23 is very clear "if you forgive their sins they are forgiven, if you don't they are retained" protestants change that to mean proclaiming the gospel. That is why in Acts5, we see Saphira and Ananias are sentenced to death for not confessing their sin & repent. Apostle peter could not remit their sin because they never repented and they dropped death.
You are not saved by forgiving anybody or anybody for giving you it's ultimately Jesus Christ the Lamb of God the Messiah who you put your faith in and who takes away the sins of the world and your sins completely forever and give you eternal life and eternal means eternal!! There is no human forgiving another human
@@jayheinz4624 In John20:21-23, Jesus gives the power to the church to declare forgiveness in His Name. What the Church declares is the power of Jesus , the forgiveness is not tired to the person who declares in the Catholic case the priest , But rather the Holy Spirit who is working through the priest or pastor ,that is why Jesus first gives them the Holy Spirit in this same place after the resurrection " He breathed on them ,recieve the Holy Spirit, when you forgive people's sins they are forgiven etc) , this being practiced by the Catholic church for centuries is the fulfillment of the LORD'S power. Take it also this way : For baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, So when the Church Baptises , She this says in the person of Christ " I Baptise you in the Name of the Father ,the son & the Holy Spirit" . This is same sacrament of reconciliation of the fallen Man with God by Baptism . In doing this the Church says " Your sins are forgiven ,in the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit" . So this is true, NO man forgives Sin ,but the person of Christ in the Man , that is why Jesus became Man so that Men may recieve His power. First century Church Fathers say this Concerning Mathew 16:Matthew 16:19 [19]I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven; what you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and what you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.” ( This binding and lossing is nothing but the forgiveness of Sin, as given by Jesus in John20:21-23, Now being protestant and locked up into anti Catholic church makes many to overlook and sometimes pervert the teaching of Christ. So tell me , Who else has the power to bind and loose ,if not God himself ?How then does Jesus give this power to Men, the keys of the Kingdom " bind & loose" . This is the power of the church not on her own accord but of Christ Jesus. Unfortunately , the sinner now in the protestant church says am baptised , after wards I don't need the church to diagnose and heal my Sin, then James writes :James 5:16 [16]So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect. , (So why do you have to confess to the church if it is of no use?Please let us stop closing our eyes to the truth or else we render Jesus power useless to us and we give the devil chance to take many to hell ,those who have hidden their sins & believe they are confessing to God directly , this gift of confession and reconciliation was given to the Church ,Jesus knows that man after falling needs another Man in the position of Christ to give them the Spiritual & emotional healing by the power of the Holy Spirit. Confession & reconciliation once rejected many continue to quietly fall back to their sin because the devil know there is no physical witness for whom they shall fear. Being protestant from.Birth till now but now understanding Catholic truth ,I believe the Catholic church is 100% correct on this subject and protestants are wrong 100% , I look forward to the day of confession with a priest one day to benefit from the grace that Christ has given us which I have missed for 40years now in the protestant Church). Be blessed.
The thing I like about this video is that it was compiled by a protestant who thought Walter did OK but was destroyed by logic and scripture by Mitch even though Mr Ankerberg jumps in lots of times to try and save him
I'm about to watch this video. But it sounds like as much as the Protestants would claim that only Jesus saves...it's Mr. Ankleberg who has to come to the rescue over and over and over again; like in other videos I've seen with these debates with Fr. Pacwa. And it's Fr. Pacwa who stands sound and firm with God and Scripture.
@@swoosh1mil It's very telling: I once asked a so-called born-again Christian who attempted to "evangelize" me (even though I call it Judaizing), what he'd do if Jesus Christ would come down to the earth and command him to go to His Holy Catholic Church. His answer was that he would disobey Him. The protestants are just like the Jews who rejected Jesus Christ because they too wanted a Messiah on their own terms and not on the terms offered to them by the grace and love of God.
Images and Statues, Relics & Holy Water I. Images and Statues Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him. Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t yet reveal himself visibly “in the form of any figure.” Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times. Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc). Deut. 5:8 - God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped. Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God. Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural. I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship. 2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God’s wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images. 1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews’ most solemn place of worship. 2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold. Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches. Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the “image” (Greek “eikon”) of the invisible God. II. Relics Mark 15:43; John 19:38 - Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ’s dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord’s body. Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 - the women came to further anoint Christ’s body even though it had been sealed in the tomb. John 19:39 - Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus’ grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord’s body. Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural. Acts 19:11-12 - Paul’s handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures. Acts 5:15 - Peter’s shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years. Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world. 2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha’s bones bring a man back to life. The saints’ bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age. Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 - we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 - we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them). III. Holy Water Ex. 29:4; Lev. 8:6 - Aaron and his sons were washed in holy water in their consecration to the priesthood. Thus, we see the use of holy water during the beginning of salvation history. Ex. 30:18-19 - the Lord requires Aaron and his sons to wash their hands and feet in holy water before they offered sacrifices to Him. The Church uses holy water for various purposes, and holy water fonts are generally located at the entrance of Catholic churches to be used before the sacrifice of Christ is offered to the Father. Num. 5:17 - here again, the priest uses holy water. God uses natural matter to convey the supernatural, just as God who is Spirit became flesh in Christ Jesus. Num. 8:7 - the Lord says to “sprinkle them with the water of remission.” The Lord uses water, a physical property, to convey His supernatural property of grace. 1 Kings 7:38-39 - in King Solomon’s temple, there were ten large basins of holy water. Holy water has always been used in the context of worship. John 9:6-7 - Jesus uses clay and spittle to heal the blind man’s eyes, and ordered him to wash in the pool of Siloam to effect the cure. Jesus did not need to use spittle, clay and water, but He does to demonstrate that God uses the material things He created to give graces and heal us. John 13:4-10 - the Lord uses water to wash the apostles’ feet to prepare them for their sacramental priesthood. John 19:34 - water and blood flowed from Jesus’ pierced side on the Cross. The Church uses holy water as a symbol of our Lord’s life giving water that flowed from His sacred Heart, and as the property which brings about the power of Jesus Christ Himself, in baptism, the Eucharist, and other sacred rites of the Church.
“Even if you do not confess, God is not ignorant of the deed, since he knew it before it was committed. Why then do you not speak of it? Does the transgression become heavier by the confession? No, it becomes lighter and less troublesome. And this is why he wants you to confess: not that you should be punished, but that you should be forgiven; not that he may learn your sin-how could that be, since he has seen it?-but that you may learn what favor he bestows. He wishes you to learn the greatness of his grace, so that you may praise him perfectly, that you may be slower to sin, that you may be quicker to virtue. And if you do not confess the greatness of the need, you will not understand the enormous magnitude of his grace.”
I can’t stand watching this . Walter Martin stands on bible and whips bible out ... if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church sorting out what the Bible is ... you waouldbt have a bible . In the year 200 ad there was NO BIBLE TO spew bible verses out . All there was , were scrolls . And hardly anybody had them . I could go on .. but for 1,500 years there was confession till the so called refiners created chaos . Jesus is God ... acts 4:12 only Jesus for salvation .
@@s_hrndz0119 Roman Catholicism is certainly wrong. Be careful with the word 'Catholic', though. It refers to the universal Christian Church. Thus, as a Protestant, I believe in the Catholic Church, but I reject the Roman claim that she, herself, is the one true Catholic Church. I try to say 'Church of Rome', 'Romanism', 'Roman Catholicism', 'the papists', etc, instead. If you're a Bible-believing Protestant, don't concede that word 'Catholic' to Rome.
Addressing many comments, the show begins with the opening qualification that: “This evening John Ankerberg will examine the Roman Catholic doctrine of Penance…” The introduction qualifier doesn’t announce this to be conducted in a “standard debate” format. Thus, Dr. Martin and Jesuit Fr. Pacwa are the invited guests to facilitate such discussion and examination by John Ankerberg (stated host) on their positions but it’s Ankerberg’s show. Furthermore, the host’s position is understood by both guests apriori that the host’s belief/faith supports the historic Protestant position on the issue. Thus, contrary to objections being made in the comments section; IE: that Ankerberg interjects, (implied as unfair), this is in fact the stated format that both guests have agreed to participate in… In other words, it’s NOT a debate as being labeled by the headliner but the host’s examination of the issue with the aid of his guests representing both historic Protestantism and Roman Catholicism. Thus, the issue we ought most be sincerely concerned about (as we proceed to listen) is what is TRUTH versus ERROR? Not who is ganging up on who but which position is correct regarding truth. NOTE: This same format could be replicated in the reverse anytime a Roman Catholic host or apologist would present such an examination and invite guests from both sides. What is the TRUTH according to the Gospel [Doctrinal Teachings] of Jesus Christ and His chosen Prophets/Apostles-on this issue is the clear objective. At stake is our understanding in light of the full context of the Holy Scriptures as revealed by the Holy Spirit through His inspired text… Anything less than a teachable mind-set approach to this program with a sincere (open heart and mind) seeking truth, hinders the mind by trivial objections as distractions and blocks the soul from receiving God’s Word as it is written in the Holy Scriptures. For It does not matter what we think in error. It matters what God says in truth…
Ankerbergh quotes the reformers yet they are not Lutheran or Zwingli's or Anglicans but Baptists(calvinists) and possible evangelicals. The doctrine of the reformers are different from today.
Their explanation of Catholic forgiveness and penance was wrong. It is a combination of God forgiving the person and the believer confessing and showing fruit of a heart of penance. Abraham showed his belief in God by his fruit in offering up his son, as the Father showed His Love offering up His Son on the Cross. Action is proof for only God can see the heart. Is the Protestants understanding of forgiveness by asking God to forgive you by prayer asking God to forgive you and keep living the same way you been living? " Abhorrent to protestants." To which protestant denomination?
The biggest riff is the refusal to recognize the Church. Protesting for 500 years. The debate should be within the church rather from outside. The over arching error.
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDS and glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone according to WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● Romans 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS HIMSELF tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked, etc (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● JOHN 5:28-29 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who HAVE DONE what is good will rise to live, and those who HAVE DONE what is evil will rise to be condemned. ● JOHN 3:36 (RSVCE) as well: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him." (We must obey.) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do. ● Jonah 3:5-9 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24 Sharing in the suffering of Christ: (Our suffering has merits too) 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 Timothy 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 Peter 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 Peter 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● Matthew 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 Cor 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” ● 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 King James Version 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2 Timothy 3:17 King James Version 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 1 Peter 1:17
You totally twisted 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul has been describing his life of self-sacrifice to win others to faith in Christ using the metaphor of competition. He has compared himself to an athlete who practices self-control in training in order to win the race. Paul's race leads to a prize, as well, the crown of Christ's recognition for his faithful efforts. Now Paul says this is why he is able to stay motivated. He practices self-control in much the same way as an athlete in training continues to discipline his body with strict self-control over diet, exercise, sleep, and other behaviors. The Greek term Paul uses for "discipline" here is hypōpiazō, which literally refers to beating something black-and-blue. In common use, it implies giving someone a black eye! Paul says he "beats up" his body, like a boxer, to toughen himself for the sake of his spiritual stamina. Paul remains in this state of continual training because he does not want to be disqualified. He is not talking about losing his salvation as a result of sin. Paul's own teaching is very clear that salvation is a gift, not something that comes as a result of strenuous effort (Ephesians 2:8-9). The prize he is running for is the crown of recognition from Christ that he has served well. In his case, this will include the lives of all of those who have believed in Jesus as a result of his preaching. The context is Paul failing to obtain his goal of winning others, not somehow earning salvation. Paul recognizes that it is possible for even him to be disqualified of his prize. The runner in a race is disqualified for running off the course, either intentionally or through ignorance. The boxer is disqualified for violating the rules, as well. Paul understands it is not guaranteed that he will finish well. He is not assured of a successful ministry. Nor is he promised to be effective in witnessing to others. Given what Paul writes in the following chapters, he likely has in mind not just the loss of a crown in eternity. He probably has in mind the Lord's discipline in life for Christians who engage in sinful behaviors. He wrote in chapter 5 about discipline for someone flaunting his sexual sin. He will soon describe God's discipline of His people in the past and the present.
I just love how they prevaricate: "justification by faith" (as if Catholics don't believe that) when they really mean and insist it means "faith alone", which Scripture not only doesn't teach (it only says we are justified by faith, not by good works which cause God to owe us) but rejects outright: "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
"a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." Before who? God? Are you saying that God doesn't already know your heart? The same book you're quoting from says, " But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show ME your faith without the works, and I will show YOU my faith by my works.” Man showing man, thus proclaiming what Christ said, "YOU wll know them by their fruits." And not contradicting what Paul said, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are HIS workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS for good works, which GOD PREPARED beforehand so that we would walk in them." All three verses confirm the same one thing, works are the result of our faith, not the retention of it. Or to put it a venacular you my understand better, "sheep go 'baaah' because they ARE sheep, not to REMAIN sheep." What a shame (maybe you're too young to remember) Catholics don't even comprehend the song they use to sing during Mass, I was once Catholic, so I remember, that went, "They will know we are Christians by our love, ...." That love is your works and the word love in the Greek is agape: Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agápē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God. SMH
In fact if the protestants are truly honest in their reading of the bible, faith alone doctrine is never supported by christian sacred scriptures. The faith in the bible is "faith that works"
You don’t believe you are justified by faith you believe you are justified by faith and keeping everything the Catholic Church says. How can God be the justifier when you are doing half of the work? To claim God enables you doesn’t mean you aren’t doing it and are part of it.
Add to this to bless bles my enemies they're my enemies and I must bless them that doesn't mean that I can't go to war as a soldier because I can I could be trying to them that's what it's all about so I bless my enemies but they're not going to slap me across the face and tell me now blessed me again I'm going to do like you-know-who and get my you-know-what and banging in the head Samson and Goliath
Truth will always prevail over falsehood, that's why it's difficult for the Jesuit priest to defend the the man-made doctrines of the Catholic Church. You must be born again.
@@cynthiax56 Ok, so here you have your generalization "protestants are bullies" thanks for showing your true colours. I expect an attack on me talking about how this also is bullying you as well.
@@troywright359 Looks to me like you have your OWN generalizations and as for "true coloirs" All the looney street preachers who scream at and abuse people that they don't even know are always Protestant. You can accuse me of generalizing all you want to, but everyone knows this, it is simply a fact of life that I have witnessed for 30 years. Every Catholic video simply offers info about the faith, but almost every protestant video attacks the catholic church. Look at the westboro funeral screamers and then go to the videos put up by ruben israel and watch him go out of his way to go to catholic churches with a megaphone to scream at, and bully catholics. Then watch him call every woman who passes by a slut and a whore.
@@mordecaiesther3591 A lot of them do, but there are other anti catholic teavhers who they listen to also. here's the odd thing: No matter how much they claim to believe in, and follow the bible, they actually don't. When I first strarted doing this in 2004, I was actually intimidated b y them and thought they knew what they were talking about. They would claim that a certain scripture said something and would list the book and number of the scripture, but when I started looking them up for myself, I discovered it did not say what they claimed, and it finally occurred to me that they were willing to be dishonest about what the bible said and I started learning more and more that their claims were false. I am a former protestant myself, but I never harrassed and abused people the way a lot of them do
➨CONFESSION AND PENANCE IN THE BIBLE: Jesus gives power to the Priests to forgive sins: ● John 20:23 He breathed on them & said, "recieve the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, Whose sins you retain are retained" ● James 5:16 Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS TO ONE ANOTHER and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. ➨PENENCE: ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will FAST (abstain from eating food). ● Matthew 6:16 When you FAST, (abstain from eating food) do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do There are ALSO references to penance in the Old Testament as well: putting on sackcloth and ashes, and abstaining from food in order to avoid punishment for their sins as was done in the city of Ninevah etc
No he does not.. Jesus does not give any power to any man to forgive any sins.. Jesus is the propitiation of our sins and he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.. and please don't quote me that one verse that says we are to forgive other sins!! Jesus came and settled the whole thing and said it is finished! He is our savior and our Messiah and there's nothing else to do but except him as your savior!
@@jayheinz4624 Actually , Jesus is the messiah of HIS Church and his church i s not Protestant. If you a re protestant , LUTHER is your messiah. ➨ JESUS gives authority of the Church TO PETER (NOT TO CONSTANTINE, Not to Luther, not Calvin, not Ellen White or any other "reformer" ) ✦ MATT 16:13-19: Jesus gives keys of the Kingdom to PETER and builds his church upon PETER. ✦ ACTS 15:7-12: "After much debate had taken place, PETER got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you THAT THROUGH MY MOUTH THE GENTILES WOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVE." ✦ JOHN 21:15-19: Jesus tells PETER to "Feed my sheep" ➨ The body of PETER now lies under the altar of St Peter's basilica. Evidence is even shown by unbiased secular media giants National Geographic, A&E & a book: "The Bones of St Peter" ➨The True Church is a TEACHING CHURCH: (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not oresently known....not in writing) ✦JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. ✦JOHN 16:14: "When the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you to all truth." ✦ Acts 8:26-40 King James Version (KJV) 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
@@cynthiax56 The ultimate authority is the word of God, !!the Bible!! And the words of Jesus not the pope !did you read my last comment my friend?? Also something you might find interesting, read all the passages in the Bible about who you are, in Christ ,,in Christ,,!🙂
Remember time of Elijah, god of baal was given more time. Like whole day, but Elijah take no time, even ensure that, the alter was poured of water, coz they were to doubts again of the firing burning sucrifice, but fire come from heaven. ❤
I have friends sabbath asked me of the same, not to go to priest for penance, ask them why they go to pastor becoz of wedding, if they could've done on their own as well. They forget, same we do good things like wedding we have mediator like priests or pastor, as well, when we sin, we doing same process of forgiveness,, even from the old testament, Moses prayer Ed to mirriam wife of Aaron when she was again Moses man of God.
Like the Ankerberg show, yet he is not a good moderator. He shows partiality to his own faith objecting to the others faith rather than allow the opponent do so.
WHEN GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND WHOLE THINGS ,THERE WAS NO MOTHER MARY YET ON EARTH,.MARY IS JUST AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD ,,,JESUS CAME ON EARTH TO TELL THE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND MOST OF ALL TO SAVE US ,THAT IS THE PURPOSED,
I am not a Catholic, this was manipulation and sabotage on the priest as he spoke 10min and being directed by Ankerbergh what to speak on through all 45mins, Ankerbergh and Martin spoke the rest. I admire Fr Pacwa's patients...
Tell you what protestants around the world....why dont you get your very own bible. Get your own version of Jesus. Add your logic here and there in your own bible. By doing so will end this dilemma...
IN LUKE 1:38 ,MARY IS ONLY THE SERVANT OF GOD.MARY WAS ONLY AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD THE WAY OUR LORDGOD AND SAVIOR DWELTH AMONG US BECAUSE OF THE VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE OF GOD,
EVEN THE ANGELS WORSHIP JESUS ,NOT MARY. OR ANY SAINTS,IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BIBLE.READ HEBREW 10;11.1JOHN 5;20-21,JESUS IS A TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE, IN 21,CHILDREN KEEP AWAY FROM IDOLS.,
"Scripture alone" is a false doctrine that was invented by Martin Luther and so is "faith alone" ...PROOF: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
@@troywright359 The bible tells us that charity covers a multitude of sins. Giving aid & support to the church is Charity. furthermore, even though " scripture alone" is a false doctrines that was invented by LUTHER, I can still show you references to a place of purification in the bible. check it out: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) ---------------------- Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
@@troywright359 The same protestants who sneer at the idea of an infallible Pope who was given authority by JESUS, somehow believe that they THEMSELVES are infallible and qualified to correct the FIRST Christians who existed before the protestant revolt ever took place. Too funny
@@sheeplightproductions8946 Yes. Which is the same road protestants follow. Read Numbers 16. Korah did not want authority over him. Protestants are the same as Korah.
Im not catholic or protestant, I used to be a protestant. in reading the bible its clear we MUST cooperate with God by repenting of sins and obeying christs teachings in addition to faith!, we are saved by works AND faith, not by faith ALONE. Jesus 100% payed for our forgiveness and salvation, the BIG QUESTION is " what must we DO to have christs death allpied to our lives?". to teach that having faith ALONE and that I dont have to obey christs teachings or cooperate with God is heresy and apostacy. martin luther said " NO SIN can seperate us from God EVEN IF we were to committ murder and adulatry 1000 times a day".....where is that doctrine of devils in the bible????
My friend, that is not how you are saved or forgiven.. it's 100% by the grace of Jesus.. there's no repenting of sins anywhere in the Bible in the New testament. Repent in the Greek means to change your mind and Jesus was often speaking to the Pharisees saying you need to change your mind about the following your religious practices and believe in me the Messiah that I am the son of God I am God!!
The Catholic church is totally wrong on confession, the Bible teaches compression is to be done in private between you and God no priest can forgive your sins, evening apostles could not forgive sins.
➨PENENCE: ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do. ● Jonah 3:5-9 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24 Sharing in the suffering of Christ: (Our suffering has merits too) 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
Actually the verse in Acts 2:38 Peter is telling the people to Repent. To turn away from their sins and be baptized it says nothing about doing penance.
@@Lee-Darin That is the one verse that I copied from the CATHOLIC Bible accidently. The rest are all from the Protestant version of the bible, and they ALL confirm the validity of penance
You see everyone, the Catholic church and the Pope decided many many years ago that they were the ultimate authority of the word of God and that they were appointed to be God's on Earth!!! Jesus is the Lamb of god, who takes away the sins of the world and happy are those who are called to his supper! Jesus is the Messiah Jesus Is our Savior not the Pope not the Catholic church or any other Church!!!! Jesus was always pointing to the Pharisees and all those religious people to him for salvation just to believe.. Jesus said, and says!! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life! He also said, I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish and never means never!!!
Just a second. EVERYBODY knows John Ankerberg's theology. The 'priest' would have known this prior to coming on to the program. While John primary responsibility is to moderate or steer the discussion, he also has the liberty to introduce his own perspectives to the debate.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
What a horrible case of visceral Protestant hatred and wickedness. The Protestant "moderator" is absolutely disrespectful and completely biased. He has no sense of giving equality to both sides.
hatred and wickedness? You call this a horrible case? No, this may be a 'poor' case, but I do not see absolute hatred or wickedness anywhere here. Please don't use such hyperbole.
So much bias in the comment section. Here is what I observed ... when Walter Martin wanted to substantiate his position ... he always adhered to Bible Scipture. The 'priest' ... just made stuff up. This is not adebateable observation. This is not refutable. Re-watch this discussion with an open mind. Always. Always. The Word of God should be our exclusive determinant of our THEOLOGY.
Not at all. Father Pacwa referred to history because this was brought up. To understand the practice of confession, and to compare it to scriptural references, we need to understand how it has been practiced through the ages.
It's so clear how unbilical the Catholic church is. But as a born again Christian,. I will continue to pray for all Catholics. They are generally wonderful people. It was a crime when the government decided that the Catholic church adoption program and the way they ran it was wrong in the eyes of a perverted,.. criminal,....and disgusting government!
@@Raider66ify what's to interpret? It says what it says....GOD is the same, past..present...future. ur question is so general.....be precise with your question.
Thats why many people will end up in hell because of religion. Read the Bible my people, the Holy Spirit will reveal truth to those who really want to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Jesus is the mediator between God and man,no Pope,no priest,no cardinal no bishop can take away sin.
It makes no sense for the RCC to deny Christ’s imputation of righteousness to us and yet they invented the treasury of merit so that created sinful humans impute their “merits” to us. So Christ’s righteousness is not sufficient and even less powerful than humans’ righteousness.
It makes no sense for the RCC to deny Christ’s imputation of righteousness to us and yet they invented the treasury of merit so that created sinful humans impute their “merits” to us. So Christ’s righteousness is not sufficient and even less powerful than humans’ righteousness. YOU SHOULD NEVER ASK YOUR SINFUL PASTOR OR CONGREGATION TO PRAY FOR YOU. THEY ARE ALL SINNERS. I WILL LEAVE YOU PONDERING WITH THESE HOLY VERSES. MARK 1: 1 THE BEGINNING OF THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT JESUS THE MESSIAH,[A] THE SON OF GOD,[B] 2 AS IT IS WRITTEN IN ISAIAH THE PROPHET: “I WILL SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY”[C]- 3 “A VOICE OF ONE CALLING IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘PREPARE THE WAY FOR THE LORD, MAKE STRAIGHT PATHS FOR HIM.’”[D] 4 AND SO JOHN THE BAPTIST APPEARED IN THE WILDERNESS, PREACHING A BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. 5 THE WHOLE JUDEAN COUNTRYSIDE AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM WENT OUT TO HIM. CONFESSING THEIR SINS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED BY HIM IN THE JORDAN RIVER. ALL PEOPLE (FROM JERUSALEM) WENT OUT TO WHOM FOR THE CONFESSIONS OF SINS AND BAPTISM? GOD BLESS YOU.
@@mercibeaucoup2639 screaming doesn’t make you right. I will pray that the veil lifts from your eyes. Thank God after years of Catholicism, I learned the truth. And instead of insanely responding, yet saying very little, explain the treasury of merits. It’s a blasphemous doctrine. As well as is the worship of Mary. (or whatever synonym you prefer to use).
@@kkdoc7864 SCREAMING. THAT’S ONLY YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION. PROVIDING YOU WITH FACTS USING HOLY SCRIPTURE. THAT IS AN OBJECTIVE FACT. I PRAY YOU FIND THE TRUTH GOING TO THE FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH MY GOD FOUNDED. ISN’T THIS IRONIC, BUT I USED TO BE A HARD-CORE PROTESTANT FOR MANY YEARS. THAT PROTESTANT CHURCH WHERE THEY PROTEST WAS FOUNDED BY LUTHER IN THE 1500’S. MY CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS FOUNDED BY MY GOD, LORD AND SAVIOR GIVING THE KEYS OF HEAVEN TO SIMON PETER OUR FIRST POPE. YOU REALLY CAN’T SAY OR EXPLAIN THE HOLY VERSES I PROVIDED YOU WITH. PEOPLE CONFESSING THEIR SINS TO JOHN THE BAPTIST. THIS VIDEO IS WHAT OUR CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS ALL ABOUT czcams.com/video/wArM0iHchDI/video.html . THANK YOU AND MY LORD GOD BLESS YOU. STAY SAFE.
@@kkdoc7864 WORSHIPPING MARY AS GOD IS PLAINLY UTTER BLASPHEMY. WE FIRST CHRISTIANS ONLY HONOR, LOVE, AND RESPECT THE MOTHER OF GOD. INQUISITIVE. HOW OLD ARE YOU? YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN LIKE A LITTLE KID DECIDED TO CHANGE THE TOPIC ON CONFESSION. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOTHER OF GOD, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT. I WILL ELUCIDATE MY POINTS ON MARY SO CLEAR IN A VERY FACILITATING WAY. MY MESSAGE WON'T BE VAGUE TUT-TUTTING BEWILDERING FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!! I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. OF COURSE, I WILL BE USING HOLY SCRIPTURE. NOT LIKE SOME PEOPLE I’M GETTING TO KNOW LOL. THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL PROTESTANT WORSHIP czcams.com/video/Bz5Goj7JMBQ/video.html OR czcams.com/video/CxsudMEdg7E/video.html . I WON’T MENTION PROTESTANTS LIKE JIM JONES OR DAVID KORESH. I ACTUALLY DID LOL. GOD BLESS YOU AND STAY SAFE.
MARY WAS THE PERFECT NON-DEVINE HUMAN BEING,SHE WAS JUST ONLY AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD,.LUKE 1:38.IN 1JOHN 4:15 JESUS SAID I AM THE LIVING BREAD THAT CAME DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN.......,AND READ EXODU 23:25 WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIS BLESSING WILL BE ON YOU,JOHN 14:6 JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY ,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.NO ONE CAN GO TO IN HEAVEN BUT BY ME..
RELIGION IS THE CREATION OF MAN AND IT IS NOT THE INTENTION OR DESIGN WITH GOD,WHEN YOU PRACTICE RELIGION,YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS DEGRADED TO A MATHEMATICAL..CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION, ITS A RELATIONSHIIP WITH JESUSCHRIST,.YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORDYOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART WITH ALL YOUR SOUL,WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH,WITH ALL YOUR MIND,AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
Religion means organized worship; it gives order and structure to the worshiping of God so that people don't start praying to animals, rocks, the sun, etc. all at the same time; so without religion chaos ensures and God clearly despises chaos because all of His creation has order to it. Your hate for religion is endangering your soul on top of clouding your mind.
You cannot change a catholic, They will die and go to hell for that Church. That Chuch has nothing to do with Christanity, There is no other way to heaven but by the Lord Jesus Christ. The Pope names does not appear in scriptures. I'll take any of you Catholic on , I know your history.
I know your history as well. Started in 1517. 15 centuries after the apostles died to invent a new European Christianity leading to two centuries of warfare. Countless heresies and the ultimate heresy of everyman interpreting scriptures to whatever they want. The Deformers started all that.
@@troywright359 The Catholic church matches the bible exactly, Protestants just skip over vast amounts of scriptures and reject any that they don't like. Everything protestants attack can be found in the bible: Mary, (and honouringt her( Saints (and their intercesssion) confession, penance, good works, the Eucharist, Careved images in the Lord's temple, etc etc Here's something that is NOT in the bible, though....The protestant doctrines of "scripture alone" and "faith alone: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) ---------------------------------- Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● Romans 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
@@cynthiax56 don't use teachings from the apocrypha to make your point. We'll have to go our separate ways if you're going to use text from books outside of the Bible. Catholics adding more to scripture is no different from the mormons and JWd
@@troywright359 What you call the "apocrapha" was a legut oart of the bible from the beginning of it's existance. The Bible was written and compiled 11 centuries before Martin Luther was even born. The Bible did not belong to him, so explain WHO gave him the authority to determine these books to be "invalid"? WHO gave him authority to remove these books???? The Bible was written and compiled (old testament compiled, New testament written) in the year 397 at the Catholic council of Nicea. NO protestant church existed when the Bible was written & compiled. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. The protestant revolt was started by Martin Luther in 1517 in Germany and by Henry VIII in 1536 in England, other "reformers" joining in the rebellion and starting their own sects. Despite all these HISTORICAL FACTS, I can still prove protestant claims to be FALSE by using the Protestant version of the bible. Everything protestants attack can be found in their ALTERED version of the bible: Mary (and honouring her) Saints (and their intercession) confession, penance, good works, the Eucharist, Carved images in the Lord's temple, etc etc etc. If you care to dispute me, bring it on B cuz I know the bible (both versions) far better than most protestants that I have met so far.
@@troywright359 In the meantime, I'll show you that both of the protestant doctrines that you follow contradict the bible: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) ---------------------------------------- Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● Romans 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
➨CONFESSION: Why confess to a Priest? Jesus gives power to the Priests to forgive sins: ● John 20:23 He breathed on them & said, "recieve the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, Whose sins you retain are retained" ● James 5:16 Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS TO ONE ANOTHER and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
@@jandrew86 Not only did I show you that Jesus gives authority to his disciples to for give sins, (Right there in the first comment I made, copied from the bible and you are already arguing with it) but there are several scriptures where Jesus forgives the sins of those that he healed. In the case of the woman who was caught committing adultery, he said to her: "Neither do I condemn thee, Go and sin no more" and in the case where he healed a c rippled man he said: "Your sins are forgiven, get up and walk" HELLOOOoooo
@@jandrew86 BTW Something does not have to be in the bible to be true. The doctrine of "scripture alone" was m a d e up by Martin Luther, who used this false doctrine to excuse him from obeying the CHURCH. JESUS founded a CHURCH and LUTHER oppose d Jesus by inventing thi s false doctrine
@@jandrew86 ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ... ● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH. ● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, ● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter. ● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you. ● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing. ● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH. ● MATT 18:15-17 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing) ● JOHN 14:26-31 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing) ● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. (The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.) nnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False: ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● ROMANS 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● MATT 12:36-37 36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED. (not by yout faith alone) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” 1 Peter 1:17
"And every (catholic) priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins... For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them (christians) that are sanctified." - Hebrews 10:11,14
Must be easy skimming through a whole chapter until you find the one verse you THINK fits your agenda, posting it and ignoring the rest. You're not even close to what the writer of Hebrews was saying. There's an old saying, "It is better for one to remain silent and only be THOUGHT a fool then to open it and remove all doubt." Thanks for removing my doubts about you.
By reading your comment below, I assume that you are against catholic theologians and what I was trying to do, was to prove that catholic theology is similar than the old testament sacrifical offerings.. I'm not arguing here for supporting the catholic theology, rather to point why it's false. Christ has been offerered on the cross once and for all sins. If you are familiar with the old testament sacrifical ritual, it's similar than catholic mass offering (eucharist). That was the point. God bless you.
It seems I get into discussions with those that agree with me but their posts sound just the opposite. Read you're first post. It sounds like an advocation of the catholic priesthood. If you're going to lay out a case for or against something, lay it ALL out and not be vague. I'm in my sixties and have been studying scripture over 40 years, the length of my being saved by grace, but raised a Catholic prior, even receiving five of their seven sacraments. This is not to boast, just to show I'm no spring chicken. I've studied under one of the country's most reknowned theologians of the late 20th century, Dr. Walter Martin (he has plenty of videos right here on You Tube). It was he that introduced me to the study of comparative religions. Yes, I'm familiar with OT priestly functions and, especially, the Book of Hebrews; my favorite NT book. I have to use it a lot when Mormon missionaries come to my door. I am not against Catholic theologians, per se, when they can interpret scripture without all the inference into scripture, it's quite the work. Unfortunately, those are so far and few between today. It was they that gave us a clear definition of Christ's uniqueness of being both all man and all God with the Nicene Creed in the 4th century AD; a time when heresy was running rampant and needed to be put to rest. I come across arrogant at times, but it relly is frustration. I can show, through scripture, the errors of one's thinking and they just keep resisting GOD word, not mine. I finally throw my hands in the air and give them the Christ to Pharisses speech, holding nothing back. Even when giving them scripture and cross references for them, they still say I'm wrong, never thinking they could be wrong. Can I be wrong? Yes, show me in scripture without the eisegesis of scripture.
Everything Protestants attack can be found in the bible: Mary (and honouring her) Saints (and their intercession) confession, Penance, Good works, The Eucharist, Carved Images in the LORD's temple, etc etc etc etc ...Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It is an invention of Men who rebelled against the church that Jesus established, plain and simple.
Protestants aren’t against good works. Ephesians 2:8-10 exactly proves our point. Because it is God who predestined us to do Good Works. They are His works working in us. Not our own. Philippians 2:12-13 says the same. 1 Cor. 9:27 says nothing about Paul losing his salvation. Paul has been describing his life of self-sacrifice to win others to faith in Christ using the metaphor of competition. He has compared himself to an athlete who practices self-control in training in order to win the race. Paul's race leads to a prize, as well, the crown of Christ's recognition for his faithful efforts. Now Paul says this is why he is able to stay motivated. He practices self-control in much the same way as an athlete in training continues to discipline his body with strict self-control over diet, exercise, sleep, and other behaviors. The Greek term Paul uses for "discipline" here is hypōpiazō, which literally refers to beating something black-and-blue. In common use, it implies giving someone a black eye! Paul says he "beats up" his body, like a boxer, to toughen himself for the sake of his spiritual stamina. Paul remains in this state of continual training because he does not want to be disqualified. He is not talking about losing his salvation as a result of sin. Paul's own teaching is very clear that salvation is a gift, not something that comes as a result of strenuous effort (Ephesians 2:8-9). The prize he is running for is the crown of recognition from Christ that he has served well. In his case, this will include the lives of all of those who have believed in Jesus as a result of his preaching. The context is Paul failing to obtain his goal of winning others, not somehow earning salvation. Paul recognizes that it is possible for even him to be disqualified of his prize. The runner in a race is disqualified for running off the course, either intentionally or through ignorance. The boxer is disqualified for violating the rules, as well. Paul understands it is not guaranteed that he will finish well. He is not assured of a successful ministry. Nor is he promised to be effective in witnessing to others. Given what Paul writes in the following chapters, he likely has in mind not just the loss of a crown in eternity. He probably has in mind the Lord's discipline in life for Christians who engage in sinful behaviors. He wrote in chapter 5 about discipline for someone flaunting his sexual sin. He will soon describe God's discipline of His people in the past and the present.
@@s_hrndz0119 Catholics are Faith and Works. Protestants are Faith ALONE and do nothing but condemn Catholics who do good works, claiming that we are "trying to buy our way into heaven and they scrutinize everything we do despote the warnings given in MATT 7:2 and the story of 2 men in the temple (LUKE)
@@s_hrndz0119 ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me) ➨WORKS: ● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS. ● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead ● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments. ● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDS and glorify your Father in heaven. ● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone according to WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ● Romans 2:13 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. ● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. ● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS HIMSELF tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked, etc (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. ● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works) ● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. ● EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10: 8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10): ➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. ● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away. ● JOHN 5:28-29 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who HAVE DONE what is good will rise to live, and those who HAVE DONE what is evil will rise to be condemned. ● JOHN 3:36 (RSVCE) as well: "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him." (We must obey.) ➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over. ● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. ● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do. ● Jonah 3:5-9 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. ● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance. ● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call. ● COLOSSIANS 1:24 Sharing in the suffering of Christ: (Our suffering has merits too) 24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, ➨PURGATORY:. ● 2 Timothy 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus. ● 1 Peter 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead. ● 1 Peter 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell. ● Matthew 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory) ● also 1 Cor 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins” ● 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 King James Version 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 2 Timothy 3:17 King James Version 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 1 Peter 1:17
I would barely call this a debate. This is two anti-catholic Protestants inviting a Catholic priest onto television, not letting him speak more than half a thought, interrupting him, and straw manning his position while he sits there silently.
Pacwa frustrated the heck out of ankerberg. He made too much sense. God Bless Fr. Pacwa!!
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John 20: 23
"If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven; if you retain anyone’s sins, they are retained.”
The apostles couldn't agree more to Fr. Pacwa knowing that they can actually RETAIN sin. And Jesus assured them that they are indeed retained.
Powerful statement! 😊
There needs to be a one on one debate no double teaming on the other. I'm not Catholic, but a double teaming is not right. The moderator is only to moderate the debate and be totally neutral down the middle. Regardless of his own standing with God or his views.
I agree 100% with you
If you also notice at the beginning that when they first introduced what the Catholic Church taught the music was a bit gloomy as compared to the lively, up beat, sunshine type of music of the Protestant teaching. Just sayin...
There is a big difference between repenting and confessing your sins IN A MIRROR, or an EMPTY ROOM, or in YOUR OWN MIND... versus getting your courage up, feeling so much remorse for your wrongdoings, and physically bringing your butt down to the Church and going into a confession with another brother in Christ, and resolving the matter like an upright man. I'm sorry. I screwed up. This is how. This is what happened. How can we avoid this from becoming a repeat offense? Etc
You will walk out of that confession feeling like a million bucks. Feeling like a man with the grace of God residing inside his body. And IT IS. IT WORKS. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROCESS. PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND RUN YOUR RACE! 🙏
Every Catholic I know, who has been away from Confession and returns sometimes after years, can literally feel a weight lifted off of them after confession. It is a powerful sacrament and I know when the words of absolution are given it is not a priest but Christ who is saying them.
Welcome to the Walter Martin show on a debate, John Ankerberg vs Mitch Pacawa....... 😀.
father give answer they attack him, and what are there congrution or for them they don't have any order or procedure??????????
What I don't like about these old debates is that as a mediator Ankerberg should keep time and make sure that people do not let their feelings get the better of them during a debate. As such I keep seeing Ankerberg tag team with Walter Martin.
Is this Walter Martin or John Ankerberg vs Mitch Pacwa ?
Its two individuals who know the Bible against someone who doesn't. That simple.
@@motley331 Really? Father Mitch made total sense .
The TITLE is little bit WRONG. It must be:
John Ankerberg (Host) and Dr. Walter Martin (Protestant) vs Fr. Mitchell Pacwa, S.J. (Catholic Priest)
Actually the title should be the Holy Bible vs. Roman Catholicism.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
@@emmanuelolores8669 enlightened by a Roman Catholic priest? Surely you're being facetious.
@@robrepublic1 let me ask you something, where did the Bible come from?
@@luizreyes2526 2 Peter 1:21 😎👍
Fr. Mitch Pacwa have clearly explained the importance of the Sacrament of reconciliation which the protestant clearly opposed. It is a sacrament instituted by Christ after His resurrection. When Jesus said to the apostles and I quote " If you forgive anyone"s sins they are forgiven; if you retain anyone's sins they are retained" . Another disturbing point that I noticed in this debate is that it is one sided, the moderator keep interrupting Fr. Pacwa when he is explaining the facts and interjecting his own opinion. Is he supposed to be a moderator and not a debater. I find that Fr. Pacwa was not only debating with Martin but also with the moderator. It makes you feel that there is a conscious effort to sabotage Fr. Pacwa. Good work Fr. Pacwa for standing and defending the truth.
Dario Joaquin me I see the same but they can not understand God by human knowledge unless by spirit 1corinthians2:12 ....now that we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. that is why we Catholic you cannot get to understand us unless by spirit which is over Catholics. these other Christians can't sincere the you humen knowledge to understand God's nature?
Wether your hold a position or another, in a debate 2 vs 1 is not fair. And this gets worse if the "moderator" is one of the debaters as well.
It does not matter Fr Pacwa still beat them both
Geez it is hard enough getting one Catholic to come. I don't think that it were here what the amount of people that were the problem. Cause even if you had a half a protestant, it would still be the substantive: half a protestant equals 2 to 1 versus Catholic. The Catholic needs a lot of explaining into The Bible, to defend it. Where the here Protestant explains a lot out of what is actually in The Bible to get to the context.
@@1234poppycat I disagree. I left the Catholic Church in the early 90's as a result of this debate between Fr. Pacwa and Dr. Martin. I watched all six hours of the discussion and I was persuaded by Dr. Martin
@@vizini2682 Fr Pacwa clearly won in the debate against both Walter Martin and John Ankerberg. I lost count the number of times Martin was floundering and Ankerberg deflected or just said we are going for a break … will you give me a reference so I will be able to find the debate in which Martin won?
@@1234poppycat Well, that's your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it, but I was convinced enough from this debate back in the late 80's to leave the Catholic church
Impressed with the priest hard to defend against two people.
23:16 Host **clarifies**
Comments: "he's cutting mitch off purely because he's afraid of him."
The 'priest' was mis-applying Scripure. He was being dishonest. John Ankerberg CAUGHT him doing that and called him out on it ... by interrupting him. Learn. Your Bible.
@@motley331 that's what I said. Learn. To. Read.
He is afraid bc the priest is tells the truth, that’s why they keep interrupting him.
It is a tv show with time constraints.
As a Catholic growing up, the priest always had a standard penance. Something like three Hail Mary's and four Our Fathers. It was never actually penance that was the goal, it was the confession of the sins. It only made one feel forgiven that bought into it.
Should we call this a debate? Where the moderator clearly sides with one party making it difficult for the other party to express himself ?
He’s just calling out the priest because he has no scripture to back him self up
Love the way Fr. Mitch Pacwa SJ handled the entire situation of the debate.
Ankerberg: We only have two minutes left, let me bring up some counterpoints!
Father Pacwa: attempts to address counterpoints quickly
Ankerberg: Stop! We only have one minute left! GET HIM, DR. MARTIN!
Love this!!!! Some really great vids from this channel!
WHY WE CONFESS OUR SINS TO ANYBODY OTHER THAN GOD?
Matthew 16:19, 1-20
If you notice , they also pic an biaset audiance against the priest.
@@bluejay99991 What does that have to do with the Truth as taught in the Bible?
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
Look at it the other way: Why are you afraid to tell any man your sins? Jesus says the approval of mortals means nothing. So confess. Don't be afraid. God has set this up for you to. Confess with no fear.
Amazing Father Pacwa
he's wonderful
ALL the sacraments are in accordance with the Bible. The hate preachers also say no scripture to back up the Eucharist as the body of Christ .... I just have 12 verses fro them Remember the Catholic Church is the most scriptural by far!!! Now the 12 .. ......Mark 14:22-24
While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, "Take it; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.
Luke 22:19-20
And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
John 6:51
"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."
John 6:53-57
So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. read more.
John 13:1-4
Now before the Feast of the Passover, Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He would depart out of this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. During supper, the devil having already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray Him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God, read more.
Acts 2:42
They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Acts 2:46-47
Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favour with all the people And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.
Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
1 Corinthians 10:16-17
Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.
1 Corinthians 10:21-22
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we?
1 Corinthians 11:20-34
Therefore when you meet together, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper, for in your eating each one takes his own supper first; and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses in which to eat and drink? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? In this I will not praise you. read more.
For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world. So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment The remaining matters I will arrange when I come. Oh it is really great being a Catholic .... the richness of the sacraments, all of scripture the personal relationship with Christ ....
I don’t care what Protestants say. I love ❤️ being Catholic!
This FORMER Protestant (me) ALSO Loves the Catholic church. Protestantism is FALSE and it doesn't come from Jesus. Furthermore their doctrines are false and they do not have an accurate bible either. PROOF:
➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
@@cosmickitty5693 mentioning 2 Mace means nothing, it is without foundation here.
Matt 12:32 does NOT imply sins are forgiven in the world to come.
1 Peter 3:19, Jesus PROCLAIMED to the spirits in Prison.
and so on.
The very fact that you call protestants lost and false Christians, condemning them all, is mighty callous of you.
@@troywright359
1. That is an opinion that is not based in reality. Just because Luther removed those books without the permission of the writer(s), does not invalidate any of the 7 books. The bible was not his property and he had no authority to change it.
2. I did not call anyone "Lost" I simply said that Protestantism was started by Men and not by Jesus. and that is a fact of history. Kindly do not claim that I said something that I did not say. I take the warnings in the bible (such as MATT 7:2) very seriously and unlike the many protestant who condemn me as "lost" I always try not to judge the salvation of others.
Bible Contradicts Roman Catholicism.
to help Roman Catholics see how the exalt Mary so exceedingly, that it approaches, if not commits, idolatry.
Do you pray to Mary?
“Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father,” (CCC 2679).
Do you believe that Mary is capable of hearing all people’s prayers to her, both spoken and thought, in different languages, all over the world, all of the same time?
May the Blessed Virgin hear your every prayer,” (Message of John Paul II, read by H. E. Msgr. Francesco Marchisano, Grotto of our Lady of Lourdes in the Vatican Gardens, Saturday, 31, May 2003).
Do you bow before statues of Mary?
I could not find any official statement advocating Roman Catholics to bow before statues of Mary, but it goes without saying that it occurs everywhere.
Do you believe that when considering the church’s origin, mission, and destiny, there is no better way to look into Mary? (Logically, in context, this means that looking to Jesus is not better than looking to Mary?)
“After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary,” (CCC 972).
Do you believe that Mary’s prayers deliver your souls from death?
“…You [Mary] conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death,” (CCC 966)
Do you entrust your cares to Mary?
“Holy Mary, Mother of God…we can entrust all our cares and petitions to her: she prays for us as she prayed for herself: ‘Let it be to me according to your word.’ [Lk 1:38] By entrusting ourselves to her prayer, we abandon ourselves to the will of God together with her: ‘Thy will be done,'” (CCC 2677).
Do you believe that Mary sits at the right hand of Christ?
“…she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus “sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high” (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son…,” (Pope Pius X, 1835-1914, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).
Do you believe that Mary is second only to Jesus?
“Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son” (Vatican Council II, p. 421)
Do you believe that you cannot go straight to Christ, but must go to Jesus only through Mary?
“so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother,” (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914).
Do you believe that Mary was preserved from original sin?
She was “Preserved free from all stain of original sin,” (CCC, par. 966).
Do you believe that Mary is our mediator?
“The Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix,” (CCC par. 969).
Do you believe that Mary helped make atonement for our sins?
“…Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine son for men, made atonement for the sins of man and (de congruon) merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner, she cooperates in the subjective redemption of mankind.” (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ott, page 213).
Do you believe that Mary crushed the head of the serpent?
“All our hope do we repose in the most Blessed Virgin-in the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world,” (Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus).
None of these things are found in the Bible. But that has not stopped the Roman Catholic Church from promoting them. This is nothing short of idolatry.
I love the Word of God. See the difference?
This is still the only debate I can find on this topic.. And it's a good one.. But surely there are more out there? Help anybody?
I have not loved the way how the moderator behaved, I love the way the Priest debates & the Dr.Martin. Instead the Moderator became the debater, I don't think that i will enjoy watching debates moderated by this man.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
@@emmanuelolores8669 that is because the priest has no scripture to back himself up
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😢The moderator stays as if he is the debater he doesn't understand what is his rule for 😊
No good as moderator
The moderator consumes all the time and rarely lets either debaters get any,, strange platform.
34:19. Pacwa doesn't seem to understand Protestant theology here on this point. We believe justification does cover our sins, rather takes them away so that God sees the righteousness of His Son instead of our sins but we do not teach that this imputation of Christ's righteousness comes upon any who are not also given a new heart and begin the inward transformation of sanctification. If you are not being progressively sanctified, you were never justified.
Yes exactly, a new heart and a new spirit and sealed until the day of redemption and we are in Christ Jesus and we are the righteousness of Christ!!
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
@@emmanuelolores8669 Ankerberg should have let Dr. Martin do all the talking. Dr. Martin is a much better theologian.
Are there many many more of these videos love them
Yes, you can find a lot of it at youtube. Just search for Fr. Mitch Pacwa's Debate and you'll find more than a dozen of his debates with Dr. Walter Martin, James White, Ken Samples and etc.
@@rohan7224 If you believe that, you do not know your Bible.
Any link to the full / continued interview?
Can someome tell me what they mean by 'add' to faith, when "faith without works is dead [faith]"?
Adding to the merits of Christ? it's literally defined as a work only possible because, and using, and empowered by the merits and grace of Christ?!
False dichotomy after false dichotmoy.
Works are EVIDENCE of your faith.
They are proof to others of your faith.
They are not the means by which you are saved.
@@troywright359 Yes, and inasmuch as they are evidence, they are just as necessary, and voluntary, as the faith. So in that sense, to have no works is to have no true faith. Abraham sacrificing Isaac is his faith. It's not 'salvation by sacrifice' or anything.
@@AveChristusRex He trusted God first and then went to do the works. Had he fallen down dead before being able to carry out works, he still would have been credited as believing.
@@troywright359 "He trusted God first and then went to do the works. Had he fallen down dead before being able to carry out works, he still would have been credited as believing."
Right. That's exactly what the teaching of the Church is. We don't think the actual performance of the work produces the justification, but the faith/will that led to its fruition (unless prevented as you mentioned).
In other words, not doing good works, is directly equivalent to not having the faith. So to speak of one is by definition to speak to the other. There is no fruitless faith anywhere in the universe.
If every person here spent ONE HOUR IN GOD'S WORD EVERY SINGLE DAY .. this ridicuculous debate would not have to happen. When people argue scripture and they express opinions not based on Scripture, one can easily discern they spend no time in God's Word. THink of the hours people have WAASTED on televsion. You don't think God will hold them accountable for wasting our lives, when we could have educated ourselves properly in just who God is and what He wants from us?
➨ HEBREWS 10:26 If we continue to sin deliberatly, after having recieved knowledge of the truth, there will no longer be a sacrifice for our sins.
Pacwa just doesn’t get it. He argues you need to do penance no matter what the Bible says.
Pacwa just doesn’t get it. He argues you need to do penance no matter what the Bible says.
THE BIBLE MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR IN JOHN20:21 AGAIN JESUS SAID, “PEACE BE WITH YOU! AS THE FATHER HAS SENT ME, I AM SENDING YOU.” 22 AND WITH THAT HE BREATHED ON THEM AND SAID, “RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. 23 IF YOU FORGIVE ANYONE’S SINS, THEIR SINS ARE FORGIVEN; IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE THEM, THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN.” IRONIC, HOW CAN MY GOD, LORD, AND SAVIOR ASK US TO FORGIVE OTHER PEOPLES SINS IF WE ARE ALL SINNERS? FATHER PACWA WAS GANGED ALL DAY BY 2 PROTESTANTS (WALTER MARTIN AND ANKERBURG). GOD BLESS YOU.
Protestants don't understand penance. Look at it this way, if you kill my brother, you go to confession & yr absolved. Penance will involve you making peace with my family to obtain my forgiveness, if you dont obtain my forgiveness , you are not safe, so you will need God's purification to enter heaven to remove the guilt & effect of your sin.
@@mercibeaucoup2639lol
That’s not penance you just proved the Protestant was right. lol cmon
A Catholic priest can absolve you of your Mortal sins but the mortal sins of that priest cannot be absolve by the priest himself. This proves that the priest don't forgive sins because if he is the forgiving power, surely the priest himself can forgive his own mortal sin. But, the priest can't. He is powerless to forgive his own mortal sins. In fact, a priest cannot forgive mortal sins of another priest. The Guilty priest should confess his mortal sins to a Bishop
On King David's adultery, If God says "David, you have confessed to me and you are forgiven TOTALLY!" David should not return Bathseba to Uriah if the latter is still living? For the Catholic church, it's- you must return the stolen goods. For Walter Martin, no need to return anything, you are totally forgiven
"The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the Lord, the son born to you will die’” (2 Samuel 12:10-14).
King David still suffered Temporal punishments for his sins. His son was the life returned for the life he had taken.
I'm pretty sure a priest can not forgive his own mortal sins because he has lost his own salvation once the mortal sin was committed; in other words he forfeited himself (his priesthood and his very salvation) to Satan and must seek absolution to be restored to wholeness once again.
The moderator is also a debater, he is simply poor at moderation.
Father Pacwa is debating 2 ppl. Dr Martin is gracious yet Ankerberg sounds angry.
The veil was ripped from top to bottom so we may go directly to GOD for the confession of our sins
John20:21-23 is very clear "if you forgive their sins they are forgiven, if you don't they are retained" protestants change that to mean proclaiming the gospel. That is why in Acts5, we see Saphira and Ananias are sentenced to death for not confessing their sin & repent. Apostle peter could not remit their sin because they never repented and they dropped death.
You are not saved by forgiving anybody or anybody for giving you it's ultimately Jesus Christ the Lamb of God the Messiah who you put your faith in and who takes away the sins of the world and your sins completely forever and give you eternal life and eternal means eternal!! There is no human forgiving another human
@@jayheinz4624 In John20:21-23, Jesus gives the power to the church to declare forgiveness in His Name. What the Church declares is the power of Jesus , the forgiveness is not tired to the person who declares in the Catholic case the priest , But rather the Holy Spirit who is working through the priest or pastor ,that is why Jesus first gives them the Holy Spirit in this same place after the resurrection " He breathed on them ,recieve the Holy Spirit, when you forgive people's sins they are forgiven etc) , this being practiced by the Catholic church for centuries is the fulfillment of the LORD'S power. Take it also this way : For baptism is for the forgiveness of sins, So when the Church Baptises , She this says in the person of Christ " I Baptise you in the Name of the Father ,the son & the Holy Spirit" . This is same sacrament of reconciliation of the fallen Man with God by Baptism . In doing this the Church says " Your sins are forgiven ,in the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit" . So this is true, NO man forgives Sin ,but the person of Christ in the Man , that is why Jesus became Man so that Men may recieve His power. First century Church Fathers say this Concerning Mathew 16:Matthew 16:19
[19]I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven; what you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven, and what you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.” ( This binding and lossing is nothing but the forgiveness of Sin, as given by Jesus in John20:21-23, Now being protestant and locked up into anti Catholic church makes many to overlook and sometimes pervert the teaching of Christ. So tell me , Who else has the power to bind and loose ,if not God himself ?How then does Jesus give this power to Men, the keys of the Kingdom " bind & loose" . This is the power of the church not on her own accord but of Christ Jesus. Unfortunately , the sinner now in the protestant church says am baptised , after wards I don't need the church to diagnose and heal my Sin, then James writes :James 5:16
[16]So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect. , (So why do you have to confess to the church if it is of no use?Please let us stop closing our eyes to the truth or else we render Jesus power useless to us and we give the devil chance to take many to hell ,those who have hidden their sins & believe they are confessing to God directly , this gift of confession and reconciliation was given to the Church ,Jesus knows that man after falling needs another Man in the position of Christ to give them the Spiritual & emotional healing by the power of the Holy Spirit. Confession & reconciliation once rejected many continue to quietly fall back to their sin because the devil know there is no physical witness for whom they shall fear. Being protestant from.Birth till now but now understanding Catholic truth ,I believe the Catholic church is 100% correct on this subject and protestants are wrong 100% , I look forward to the day of confession with a priest one day to benefit from the grace that Christ has given us which I have missed for 40years now in the protestant Church). Be blessed.
The thing I like about this video is that it was compiled by a protestant who thought Walter did OK but was destroyed by logic and scripture by Mitch even though Mr Ankerberg jumps in lots of times to try and save him
i dont think so
I'm about to watch this video. But it sounds like as much as the Protestants would claim that only Jesus saves...it's Mr. Ankleberg who has to come to the rescue over and over and over again; like in other videos I've seen with these debates with Fr. Pacwa. And it's Fr. Pacwa who stands sound and firm with God and Scripture.
@@swoosh1mil It's very telling: I once asked a so-called born-again Christian who attempted to "evangelize" me (even though I call it Judaizing), what he'd do if Jesus Christ would come down to the earth and command him to go to His Holy Catholic Church. His answer was that he would disobey Him. The protestants are just like the Jews who rejected Jesus Christ because they too wanted a Messiah on their own terms and not on the terms offered to them by the grace and love of God.
Images and Statues, Relics & Holy Water
I. Images and Statues
Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw “no form” of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.
Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn’t yet reveal himself visibly “in the form of any figure.”
Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.
Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).
Deut. 5:8 - God’s commandment “thou shall not make a graven image” is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.
Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.
Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God’s wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.
1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews’ most solemn place of worship.
2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.
Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.
Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the “image” (Greek “eikon”) of the invisible God.
II. Relics
Mark 15:43; John 19:38 - Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ’s dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord’s body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 - the women came to further anoint Christ’s body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 - Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus’ grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord’s body.
Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
Acts 19:11-12 - Paul’s handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.
Acts 5:15 - Peter’s shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.
Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha’s bones bring a man back to life. The saints’ bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age.
Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 - we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 - we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them).
III. Holy Water
Ex. 29:4; Lev. 8:6 - Aaron and his sons were washed in holy water in their consecration to the priesthood. Thus, we see the use of holy water during the beginning of salvation history.
Ex. 30:18-19 - the Lord requires Aaron and his sons to wash their hands and feet in holy water before they offered sacrifices to Him. The Church uses holy water for various purposes, and holy water fonts are generally located at the entrance of Catholic churches to be used before the sacrifice of Christ is offered to the Father.
Num. 5:17 - here again, the priest uses holy water. God uses natural matter to convey the supernatural, just as God who is Spirit became flesh in Christ Jesus.
Num. 8:7 - the Lord says to “sprinkle them with the water of remission.” The Lord uses water, a physical property, to convey His supernatural property of grace.
1 Kings 7:38-39 - in King Solomon’s temple, there were ten large basins of holy water. Holy water has always been used in the context of worship.
John 9:6-7 - Jesus uses clay and spittle to heal the blind man’s eyes, and ordered him to wash in the pool of Siloam to effect the cure. Jesus did not need to use spittle, clay and water, but He does to demonstrate that God uses the material things He created to give graces and heal us.
John 13:4-10 - the Lord uses water to wash the apostles’ feet to prepare them for their sacramental priesthood.
John 19:34 - water and blood flowed from Jesus’ pierced side on the Cross. The Church uses holy water as a symbol of our Lord’s life giving water that flowed from His sacred Heart, and as the property which brings about the power of Jesus Christ Himself, in baptism, the Eucharist, and other sacred rites of the Church.
“Even if you do not confess, God is not ignorant of the deed, since he knew it before it was committed. Why then do you not speak of it? Does the transgression become heavier by the confession? No, it becomes lighter and less troublesome. And this is why he wants you to confess: not that you should be punished, but that you should be forgiven; not that he may learn your sin-how could that be, since he has seen it?-but that you may learn what favor he bestows. He wishes you to learn the greatness of his grace, so that you may praise him perfectly, that you may be slower to sin, that you may be quicker to virtue. And if you do not confess the greatness of the need, you will not understand the enormous magnitude of his grace.”
I like how despite they gangup on Fr. Pacwa, successfully explains and bats down the protestant arguments
Fr Mitch is great
I can’t stand watching this . Walter Martin stands on bible and whips bible out ... if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church sorting out what the Bible is ... you waouldbt have a bible . In the year 200 ad there was NO BIBLE TO spew bible verses out . All there was , were scrolls . And hardly anybody had them . I could go on .. but for 1,500 years there was confession till the so called refiners created chaos . Jesus is God ... acts 4:12 only Jesus for salvation .
Yeah, eh?
Catholicism is wron g
@@s_hrndz0119 Roman Catholicism is certainly wrong. Be careful with the word 'Catholic', though. It refers to the universal Christian Church. Thus, as a Protestant, I believe in the Catholic Church, but I reject the Roman claim that she, herself, is the one true Catholic Church. I try to say 'Church of Rome', 'Romanism', 'Roman Catholicism', 'the papists', etc, instead. If you're a Bible-believing Protestant, don't concede that word 'Catholic' to Rome.
Ankerberg, "Well Mitch, let me tell you what I know" said in a John Wayne voice.
Addressing many comments, the show begins with the opening qualification that:
“This evening John Ankerberg will examine the Roman Catholic doctrine of Penance…”
The introduction qualifier doesn’t announce this to be conducted in a “standard debate” format.
Thus, Dr. Martin and Jesuit Fr. Pacwa are the invited guests to facilitate such discussion and examination by John Ankerberg (stated host) on their positions but it’s Ankerberg’s show.
Furthermore, the host’s position is understood by both guests apriori that the host’s belief/faith supports the historic Protestant position on the issue.
Thus, contrary to objections being made in the comments section;
IE: that Ankerberg interjects, (implied as unfair), this is in fact the stated format that both guests have agreed to participate in…
In other words, it’s NOT a debate as being labeled by the headliner but the host’s examination of the issue with the aid of his guests representing both historic Protestantism and Roman Catholicism.
Thus, the issue we ought most be sincerely concerned about (as we proceed to listen) is what is TRUTH versus ERROR?
Not who is ganging up on who but which position is correct regarding truth.
NOTE: This same format could be replicated in the reverse anytime a Roman Catholic host or apologist would present such an examination and invite guests from both sides.
What is the TRUTH according to the Gospel [Doctrinal Teachings] of Jesus Christ and His chosen Prophets/Apostles-on this issue is the clear objective.
At stake is our understanding in light of the full context of the Holy Scriptures as revealed by the Holy Spirit through His inspired text…
Anything less than a teachable mind-set approach to this program with a sincere (open heart and mind) seeking truth, hinders the mind by trivial objections as distractions and blocks the soul from receiving God’s Word as it is written in the Holy Scriptures.
For It does not matter what we think in error. It matters what God says in truth…
Ankerbergh quotes the reformers yet they are not Lutheran or Zwingli's or Anglicans but Baptists(calvinists) and possible evangelicals. The doctrine of the reformers are different from today.
Their explanation of Catholic forgiveness and penance was wrong. It is a combination of God forgiving the person and the believer confessing and showing fruit of a heart of penance. Abraham showed his belief in God by his fruit in offering up his son, as the Father showed His Love offering up His Son on the Cross. Action is proof for only God can see the heart. Is the Protestants understanding of forgiveness by asking God to forgive you by prayer asking God to forgive you and keep living the same way you been living? " Abhorrent to protestants." To which protestant denomination?
Why do Catholic priests have a power to forgive sins and even the apostles did not have the power to forgive sins?
The apostles had the power to forgive sins
The biggest riff is the refusal to recognize the Church. Protesting for 500 years. The debate should be within the church rather from outside. The over arching error.
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDS and glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone according to WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS HIMSELF tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked, etc (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● JOHN 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who HAVE DONE what is good will rise to live, and those who HAVE DONE what is evil will rise to be condemned.
● JOHN 3:36 (RSVCE) as well:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him."
(We must obey.)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do.
● Jonah 3:5-9
The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
● COLOSSIANS 1:24
Sharing in the suffering of Christ:
(Our suffering has merits too)
24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 Timothy 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 Peter 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 Peter 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● Matthew 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 Cor 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
● 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
King James Version
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2 Timothy 3:17
King James Version
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
1 Peter 1:17
You totally twisted 1 Corinthians 9:27
Paul has been describing his life of self-sacrifice to win others to faith in Christ using the metaphor of competition. He has compared himself to an athlete who practices self-control in training in order to win the race. Paul's race leads to a prize, as well, the crown of Christ's recognition for his faithful efforts.
Now Paul says this is why he is able to stay motivated. He practices self-control in much the same way as an athlete in training continues to discipline his body with strict self-control over diet, exercise, sleep, and other behaviors. The Greek term Paul uses for "discipline" here is hypōpiazō, which literally refers to beating something black-and-blue. In common use, it implies giving someone a black eye! Paul says he "beats up" his body, like a boxer, to toughen himself for the sake of his spiritual stamina.
Paul remains in this state of continual training because he does not want to be disqualified. He is not talking about losing his salvation as a result of sin. Paul's own teaching is very clear that salvation is a gift, not something that comes as a result of strenuous effort (Ephesians 2:8-9). The prize he is running for is the crown of recognition from Christ that he has served well. In his case, this will include the lives of all of those who have believed in Jesus as a result of his preaching. The context is Paul failing to obtain his goal of winning others, not somehow earning salvation.
Paul recognizes that it is possible for even him to be disqualified of his prize. The runner in a race is disqualified for running off the course, either intentionally or through ignorance. The boxer is disqualified for violating the rules, as well. Paul understands it is not guaranteed that he will finish well. He is not assured of a successful ministry. Nor is he promised to be effective in witnessing to others.
Given what Paul writes in the following chapters, he likely has in mind not just the loss of a crown in eternity. He probably has in mind the Lord's discipline in life for Christians who engage in sinful behaviors. He wrote in chapter 5 about discipline for someone flaunting his sexual sin. He will soon describe God's discipline of His people in the past and the present.
@@s_hrndz0119 Funny how you "Bible believing christians" always argue with, dent, and rip apart the bible. :)
I just love how they prevaricate: "justification by faith" (as if Catholics don't believe that) when they really mean and insist it means "faith alone", which Scripture not only doesn't teach (it only says we are justified by faith, not by good works which cause God to owe us) but rejects outright: "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
"a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
Before who? God? Are you saying that God doesn't already know your heart? The same book you're quoting from says, " But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show ME your faith without the works, and I will show YOU my faith by my works.”
Man showing man, thus proclaiming what Christ said, "YOU wll know them by their fruits." And not contradicting what Paul said,
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are HIS workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS for good works, which GOD PREPARED beforehand so that we would walk in them."
All three verses confirm the same one thing, works are the result of our faith, not the retention of it. Or to put it a venacular you my understand better, "sheep go 'baaah' because they ARE sheep, not to REMAIN sheep."
What a shame (maybe you're too young to remember) Catholics don't even comprehend the song they use to sing during Mass, I was once Catholic, so I remember, that went,
"They will know we are Christians by our love, ...."
That love is your works and the word love in the Greek is agape:
Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agápē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God.
SMH
Faith alone mentioned in the book of james LOL
In fact if the protestants are truly honest in their reading of the bible, faith alone doctrine is never supported by christian sacred scriptures. The faith in the bible is "faith that works"
You don’t believe you are justified by faith you believe you are justified by faith and keeping everything the Catholic Church says. How can God be the justifier when you are doing half of the work? To claim God enables you doesn’t mean you aren’t doing it and are part of it.
Add to this to bless bles my enemies they're my enemies and I must bless them that doesn't mean that I can't go to war as a soldier because I can I could be trying to them that's what it's all about so I bless my enemies but they're not going to slap me across the face and tell me now blessed me again I'm going to do like you-know-who and get my you-know-what and banging in the head Samson and Goliath
Truth will always prevail over falsehood, that's why it's difficult for the Jesuit priest to defend the the man-made doctrines of the Catholic Church.
You must be born again.
They don't let the priest talk
Protestants are bullies and do everything they can to attack the Catholic faith which comes from Jesus
@@cynthiax56 Ok, so here you have your generalization "protestants are bullies" thanks for showing your true colours. I expect an attack on me talking about how this also is bullying you as well.
@@troywright359 Looks to me like you have your OWN generalizations and as for "true coloirs" All the looney street preachers who scream at and abuse people that they don't even know are always Protestant. You can accuse me of generalizing all you want to, but everyone knows this, it is simply a fact of life that I have witnessed for 30 years. Every Catholic video simply offers info about the faith, but almost every protestant video attacks the catholic church. Look at the westboro funeral screamers and then go to the videos put up by ruben israel and watch him go out of his way to go to catholic churches with a megaphone to scream at, and bully catholics. Then watch him call every woman who passes by a slut and a whore.
@@cynthiax56 would you say most Protestants get there ideas from
Jack Chick tracts ???
@@mordecaiesther3591 A lot of them do, but there are other anti catholic teavhers who they listen to also. here's the odd thing:
No matter how much they claim to believe in, and follow the bible, they actually don't.
When I first strarted doing this in 2004, I was actually intimidated b y them and thought they knew what they were talking about. They would claim that a certain scripture said something and would list the book and number of the scripture, but when I started looking them up for myself, I discovered it did not say what they claimed, and it finally occurred to me that they were willing to be dishonest about what the bible said and I started learning more and more that their claims were false.
I am a former protestant myself, but I never harrassed and abused people the way a lot of them do
Is anerberg a moderator or manipulator?
We must confess, confess is to speak you sin and they must be witness like wedding
Father Pacwa is pushing man's doctrine which is the Catholic doctrine, not God's doctrine
➨CONFESSION AND PENANCE IN THE BIBLE:
Jesus gives power to the Priests to forgive sins:
● John 20:23 He breathed on them & said, "recieve the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, Whose sins you retain are retained"
● James 5:16 Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS TO ONE ANOTHER and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
➨PENENCE:
● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will FAST (abstain from eating food).
● Matthew 6:16 When you FAST, (abstain from eating food) do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
There are ALSO references to penance in the Old Testament as well: putting on sackcloth and ashes, and abstaining from food in order to avoid punishment for their sins as was done in the city of Ninevah etc
No he does not.. Jesus does not give any power to any man to forgive any sins.. Jesus is the propitiation of our sins and he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.. and please don't quote me that one verse that says we are to forgive other sins!! Jesus came and settled the whole thing and said it is finished! He is our savior and our Messiah and there's nothing else to do but except him as your savior!
@@jayheinz4624 Funny how "bible believing" protestants always argue with the bible.
@@jayheinz4624 Actually , Jesus is the messiah of HIS Church and his church i s not Protestant. If you a re protestant , LUTHER is your messiah. ➨ JESUS gives authority of the Church TO PETER (NOT TO CONSTANTINE, Not to Luther, not Calvin, not Ellen White or any other "reformer" )
✦ MATT 16:13-19: Jesus gives keys of the Kingdom to PETER and builds his church upon PETER.
✦ ACTS 15:7-12: "After much debate had taken place, PETER got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you THAT THROUGH MY MOUTH THE GENTILES WOULD HEAR THE WORD OF THE GOSPEL AND BELIEVE."
✦ JOHN 21:15-19: Jesus tells PETER to "Feed my sheep"
➨ The body of PETER now lies under the altar of St Peter's basilica. Evidence is even shown by unbiased secular media giants National Geographic, A&E & a book: "The Bones of St Peter"
➨The True Church is a TEACHING CHURCH:
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not oresently known....not in writing)
✦JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
✦JOHN 16:14:
"When the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you to all truth."
✦ Acts 8:26-40 King James Version (KJV)
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
@@jayheinz4624 Catholics have had Jesus as our saviour for 2000 years now. We go to the Father through HIM ...not through the "reformers"
@@cynthiax56 The ultimate authority is the word of God, !!the Bible!! And the words of Jesus not the pope !did you read my last comment my friend?? Also something you might find interesting, read all the passages in the Bible about who you are, in Christ ,,in Christ,,!🙂
Remember time of Elijah, god of baal was given more time. Like whole day, but Elijah take no time, even ensure that, the alter was poured of water, coz they were to doubts again of the firing burning sucrifice, but fire come from heaven. ❤
I have friends sabbath asked me of the same, not to go to priest for penance, ask them why they go to pastor becoz of wedding, if they could've done on their own as well. They forget, same we do good things like wedding we have mediator like priests or pastor, as well, when we sin, we doing same process of forgiveness,, even from the old testament, Moses prayer Ed to mirriam wife of Aaron when she was again Moses man of God.
Like the Ankerberg show, yet he is not a good moderator. He shows partiality to his own faith objecting to the others faith rather than allow the opponent do so.
REPENTANCE not PENANCE
WHEN GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND WHOLE THINGS ,THERE WAS NO MOTHER MARY YET ON EARTH,.MARY IS JUST AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD ,,,JESUS CAME ON EARTH TO TELL THE RIGHTEOUSNESS AND MOST OF ALL TO SAVE US ,THAT IS THE PURPOSED,
How come paul didnt mentioned in the 1st centry to the believers to make u pray to Mary cause jesus is busy but he listens to his mom.
Isa 2:2-3 and. micah 4:1-2
I am not a Catholic, this was manipulation and sabotage on the priest as he spoke 10min and being directed by Ankerbergh what to speak on through all 45mins, Ankerbergh and Martin spoke the rest. I admire Fr Pacwa's patients...
Tell you what protestants around the world....why dont you get your very own bible. Get your own version of Jesus. Add your logic here and there in your own bible. By doing so will end this dilemma...
How Father Pacwa doesn't become a Protestant after this is beyond me........
Really? I did not see it like that and Im not Catholic but I'd say the opposite. The Catholic used fewer words yet proved the scriptures points...
How you do not become Catholic after this is more puzzling.
Fr Pacwa speaks the truth.
@@user-yz5yt8fy8clol he used 0 scripture he just used tradition. The Protestant used
Scripture beat down the priest and made him look like a fool
Penance & Repentance both derive from the same word lol
WE ARE HERE NOT IN TRADITIONAL RELIGION BUT IN RELATION TO JESUSCHRIST,
Can you tell me where is that in the bible?
IN LUKE 1:38 ,MARY IS ONLY THE SERVANT OF GOD.MARY WAS ONLY AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD THE WAY OUR LORDGOD AND SAVIOR DWELTH AMONG US BECAUSE OF THE VERY IMPORTANT PURPOSE OF GOD,
EVEN THE ANGELS WORSHIP JESUS ,NOT MARY. OR ANY SAINTS,IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BIBLE.READ HEBREW 10;11.1JOHN 5;20-21,JESUS IS A TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE, IN 21,CHILDREN KEEP AWAY FROM IDOLS.,
"Scripture alone" is a false doctrine that was invented by Martin Luther and so is "faith alone" ...PROOF: ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
Purgatory and paying gold to get sinners into heaven is a false doctrine, as is the Pope being infallible and above Scripture
@@troywright359 The bible tells us that charity covers a multitude of sins. Giving aid & support to the church is Charity. furthermore, even though "
scripture alone" is a false doctrines that was invented by LUTHER, I can still show you references to a place of purification in the bible. check it out:
➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
@@troywright359 ooops looks like I already posted this proof....oh well I guess you need it repeated since you ignored it the first time.
@@troywright359 The same protestants who sneer at the idea of an infallible Pope who was given authority by JESUS, somehow believe that they THEMSELVES are infallible and qualified to correct the FIRST Christians who existed before the protestant revolt ever took place. Too funny
@@cynthiax56 Cynthia …. Your hear too !!…. Defending the faith . Iam so proud of you !
Those 2 protestants perish in Korah's rebellion. Jude mentions men like these in his epistle.
Jude mentions apostates, not these men.
@@sheeplightproductions8946 Yes. Which is the same road protestants follow. Read Numbers 16. Korah did not want authority over him. Protestants are the same as Korah.
@@sheeplightproductions8946 Protestantism leads to apostasy first, and then strictly to atheism.
Im not catholic or protestant, I used to be a protestant. in reading the bible its clear we MUST cooperate with God by repenting of sins and obeying christs teachings in addition to faith!, we are saved by works AND faith, not by faith ALONE. Jesus 100% payed for our forgiveness and salvation, the BIG QUESTION is " what must we DO to have christs death allpied to our lives?". to teach that having faith ALONE and that I dont have to obey christs teachings or cooperate with God is heresy and apostacy. martin luther said " NO SIN can seperate us from God EVEN IF we were to committ murder and adulatry 1000 times a day".....where is that doctrine of devils in the bible????
My friend, that is not how you are saved or forgiven.. it's 100% by the grace of Jesus.. there's no repenting of sins anywhere in the Bible in the New testament. Repent in the Greek means to change your mind and Jesus was often speaking to the Pharisees saying you need to change your mind about the following your religious practices and believe in me the Messiah that I am the son of God I am God!!
23:17 ok you're making a good point, so let me interrupt.
The Catholic church is totally wrong on confession, the Bible teaches compression is to be done in private between you and God no priest can forgive your sins, evening apostles could not forgive sins.
To understand how biased this show is, they literally put underneath Walter Martin's name "Representing Orthodox Christianity" LOL
➨PENENCE:
● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do.
● Jonah 3:5-9
The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
● COLOSSIANS 1:24
Sharing in the suffering of Christ:
(Our suffering has merits too)
24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
Actually the verse in Acts 2:38 Peter is telling the people to Repent. To turn away from their sins and be baptized it says nothing about doing penance.
@@Lee-Darin That is the one verse that I copied from the CATHOLIC Bible accidently. The rest are all from the Protestant version of the bible, and they ALL confirm the validity of penance
You see everyone, the Catholic church and the Pope decided many many years ago that they were the ultimate authority of the word of God and that they were appointed to be God's on Earth!!! Jesus is the Lamb of god, who takes away the sins of the world and happy are those who are called to his supper! Jesus is the Messiah Jesus Is our Savior not the Pope not the Catholic church or any other Church!!!! Jesus was always pointing to the Pharisees and all those religious people to him for salvation just to believe.. Jesus said, and says!! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life! He also said, I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish and never means never!!!
Just a second. EVERYBODY knows John Ankerberg's theology. The 'priest' would have known this prior to coming on to the program. While John primary responsibility is to moderate or steer the discussion, he also has the liberty to introduce his own perspectives to the debate.
Ankerberg is a terrible moderator. Every time Fr. Pacwa is a making a point he keeps on cutting father Pacwa. Ankerberg does not want to hear the explanation of father. Ankerberg is afraid to be enlightened.
What a horrible case of visceral Protestant hatred and wickedness. The Protestant "moderator" is absolutely disrespectful and completely biased. He has no sense of giving equality to both sides.
hatred and wickedness? You call this a horrible case? No, this may be a 'poor' case, but I do not see absolute hatred or wickedness anywhere here. Please don't use such hyperbole.
MARY IS A PERSON LIKE US,SHE IS ALREADY DEAD,SHE HAS NO POWER TO RESURRECT US,,,BUT GOD KNOWS ABOUT MARY,
So much bias in the comment section. Here is what I observed ... when Walter Martin wanted to substantiate his position ... he always adhered to Bible Scipture. The 'priest' ... just made stuff up. This is not adebateable observation. This is not refutable. Re-watch this discussion with an open mind. Always. Always. The Word of God should be our exclusive determinant of our THEOLOGY.
Yes and the word of God should always be the final decision but the Catholic church and the pope made themselves above the word of God!!!!
Not at all. Father Pacwa referred to history because this was brought up. To understand the practice of confession, and to compare it to scriptural references, we need to understand how it has been practiced through the ages.
It's so clear how unbilical the Catholic church is. But as a born again Christian,. I will continue to pray for all Catholics. They are generally wonderful people. It was a crime when the government decided that the Catholic church adoption program and the way they ran it was wrong in the eyes of a perverted,.. criminal,....and disgusting government!
Unbiblical according to who?
@@Raider66ify the bible...
@@jimkluska253 you mean your interpretation of it right?
@@Raider66ify what's to interpret? It says what it says....GOD is the same, past..present...future. ur question is so general.....be precise with your question.
@@Raider66ify no, the words. The words Raider.
The Bible is Roman Catholicism's worst enemy. No wonder they killed the translators and tried to keep God's word out of the hands of the common man.
Thats why many people will end up in hell because of religion.
Read the Bible my people, the Holy Spirit will reveal truth to those who really want to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the mediator between God and man,no Pope,no priest,no cardinal no bishop can take away sin.
It makes no sense for the RCC to deny Christ’s imputation of righteousness to us and yet they invented the treasury of merit so that created sinful humans impute their “merits” to us. So Christ’s righteousness is not sufficient and even less powerful than humans’ righteousness.
It makes no sense for the RCC to deny Christ’s imputation of righteousness to us and yet they invented the treasury of merit so that created sinful humans impute their “merits” to us. So Christ’s righteousness is not sufficient and even less powerful than humans’ righteousness.
YOU SHOULD NEVER ASK YOUR SINFUL PASTOR OR CONGREGATION TO PRAY FOR YOU. THEY ARE ALL SINNERS. I WILL LEAVE YOU PONDERING WITH THESE HOLY VERSES.
MARK 1: 1 THE BEGINNING OF THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT JESUS THE MESSIAH,[A] THE SON OF GOD,[B] 2 AS IT IS WRITTEN IN ISAIAH THE PROPHET: “I WILL SEND MY MESSENGER AHEAD OF YOU, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY”[C]- 3 “A VOICE OF ONE CALLING IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘PREPARE THE WAY FOR THE LORD, MAKE STRAIGHT PATHS FOR HIM.’”[D] 4 AND SO JOHN THE BAPTIST APPEARED IN THE WILDERNESS, PREACHING A BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. 5 THE WHOLE JUDEAN COUNTRYSIDE AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM WENT OUT TO HIM. CONFESSING THEIR SINS, THEY WERE BAPTIZED BY HIM IN THE JORDAN RIVER. ALL PEOPLE (FROM JERUSALEM) WENT OUT TO WHOM FOR THE CONFESSIONS OF SINS AND BAPTISM? GOD BLESS YOU.
@@mercibeaucoup2639 screaming doesn’t make you right. I will pray that the veil lifts from your eyes. Thank God after years of Catholicism, I learned the truth. And instead of insanely responding, yet saying very little, explain the treasury of merits. It’s a blasphemous doctrine. As well as is the worship of Mary. (or whatever synonym you prefer to use).
@@kkdoc7864
SCREAMING. THAT’S ONLY YOUR SUBJECTIVE OPINION. PROVIDING YOU WITH FACTS USING HOLY SCRIPTURE. THAT IS AN OBJECTIVE FACT. I PRAY YOU FIND THE TRUTH GOING TO THE FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH MY GOD FOUNDED. ISN’T THIS IRONIC, BUT I USED TO BE A HARD-CORE PROTESTANT FOR MANY YEARS. THAT PROTESTANT CHURCH WHERE THEY PROTEST WAS FOUNDED BY LUTHER IN THE 1500’S. MY CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAS FOUNDED BY MY GOD, LORD AND SAVIOR GIVING THE KEYS OF HEAVEN TO SIMON PETER OUR FIRST POPE. YOU REALLY CAN’T SAY OR EXPLAIN THE HOLY VERSES I PROVIDED YOU WITH. PEOPLE CONFESSING THEIR SINS TO JOHN THE BAPTIST. THIS VIDEO IS WHAT OUR CHRISTIAN CHURCH IS ALL ABOUT czcams.com/video/wArM0iHchDI/video.html . THANK YOU AND MY LORD GOD BLESS YOU. STAY SAFE.
@@kkdoc7864
WORSHIPPING MARY AS GOD IS PLAINLY UTTER BLASPHEMY. WE FIRST CHRISTIANS ONLY HONOR, LOVE, AND RESPECT THE MOTHER OF GOD. INQUISITIVE. HOW OLD ARE YOU? YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN LIKE A LITTLE KID DECIDED TO CHANGE THE TOPIC ON CONFESSION. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOTHER OF GOD, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT. I WILL ELUCIDATE MY POINTS ON MARY SO CLEAR IN A VERY FACILITATING WAY. MY MESSAGE WON'T BE VAGUE TUT-TUTTING BEWILDERING FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!! I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. OF COURSE, I WILL BE USING HOLY SCRIPTURE. NOT LIKE SOME PEOPLE I’M GETTING TO KNOW LOL. THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL PROTESTANT WORSHIP czcams.com/video/Bz5Goj7JMBQ/video.html OR czcams.com/video/CxsudMEdg7E/video.html . I WON’T MENTION PROTESTANTS LIKE JIM JONES OR DAVID KORESH. I ACTUALLY DID LOL. GOD BLESS YOU AND STAY SAFE.
@@mercibeaucoup2639 read the scriptures instead of the catechism
THERE IS NO MOTHER MARY OR ANY SAINTS IN THE BIBLE OR ANY VERSES THAT THEY CAN HELP US TO SAVE OUR SIN,EXCEPT GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON.
The Catholic won with very few words...And i'm not Catholic.
MARY WAS THE PERFECT NON-DEVINE HUMAN BEING,SHE WAS JUST ONLY AN INSTRUMENT OF GOD,.LUKE 1:38.IN 1JOHN 4:15 JESUS SAID I AM THE LIVING BREAD THAT CAME DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN.......,AND READ EXODU 23:25 WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIS BLESSING WILL BE ON YOU,JOHN 14:6 JESUS SAID I AM THE WAY ,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.NO ONE CAN GO TO IN HEAVEN BUT BY ME..
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RELIGION IS THE CREATION OF MAN AND IT IS NOT THE INTENTION OR DESIGN WITH GOD,WHEN YOU PRACTICE RELIGION,YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD IS DEGRADED TO A MATHEMATICAL..CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION, ITS A RELATIONSHIIP WITH JESUSCHRIST,.YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORDYOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART WITH ALL YOUR SOUL,WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH,WITH ALL YOUR MIND,AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
Religion means organized worship; it gives order and structure to the worshiping of God so that people don't start praying to animals, rocks, the sun, etc. all at the same time; so without religion chaos ensures and God clearly despises chaos because all of His creation has order to it. Your hate for religion is endangering your soul on top of clouding your mind.
You cannot change a catholic, They will die and go to hell for that Church. That Chuch has nothing to do with Christanity, There is no other way to heaven but by the Lord Jesus Christ. The Pope names does not appear in scriptures. I'll take any of you Catholic on , I know your history.
So there were no Christians before a revolutionary monk started to break the vows he had sworn to God? And are you talking for God here or what?
I know your history as well. Started in 1517. 15 centuries after the apostles died to invent a new European Christianity leading to two centuries of warfare. Countless heresies and the ultimate heresy of everyman interpreting scriptures to whatever they want. The Deformers started all that.
The guy did not take you on. Too busy reading Dave Hunt and Jack Chick. A little Hislop to top it off.
@@juanisaac5172 Yeah, he is too afraid of his own shadow, let alone having a real debate.
Catholic always win because we have the truth from christ and the apostles:)
I heard Catholics win because the Pope can override anything from the Bible.
@@troywright359 The Catholic church matches the bible exactly, Protestants just skip over vast amounts of scriptures and reject any that they don't like. Everything protestants attack can be found in the bible: Mary, (and honouringt her( Saints (and their intercesssion) confession, penance, good works, the Eucharist, Careved images in the Lord's temple, etc etc
Here's something that is NOT in the bible, though....The protestant doctrines of "scripture alone" and "faith alone:
➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
@@cynthiax56 don't use teachings from the apocrypha to make your point. We'll have to go our separate ways if you're going to use text from books outside of the Bible. Catholics adding more to scripture is no different from the mormons and JWd
@@troywright359 What you call the "apocrapha" was a legut oart of the bible from the beginning of it's existance. The Bible was written and compiled 11 centuries before Martin Luther was even born. The Bible did not belong to him, so explain WHO gave him the authority to determine these books to be "invalid"? WHO gave him authority to remove these books????
The Bible was written and compiled (old testament compiled, New testament written) in the year 397 at the Catholic council of Nicea. NO protestant church existed when the Bible was written & compiled.
Protestantism does not come from Jesus. The protestant revolt was started by Martin Luther in 1517 in Germany and by Henry VIII in 1536 in England, other "reformers" joining in the rebellion and starting their own sects.
Despite all these HISTORICAL FACTS, I can still prove protestant claims to be FALSE by using the Protestant version of the bible.
Everything protestants attack can be found in their ALTERED version of the bible:
Mary (and honouring her) Saints (and their intercession) confession, penance, good works, the Eucharist, Carved images in the Lord's temple, etc etc etc.
If you care to dispute me, bring it on B cuz I know the bible (both versions) far better than most protestants that I have met so far.
@@troywright359 In the meantime, I'll show you that both of the protestant doctrines that you follow contradict the bible:
➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
➨CONFESSION: Why confess to a Priest? Jesus gives power to the Priests to forgive sins:
● John 20:23 He breathed on them & said, "recieve the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, Whose sins you retain are retained"
● James 5:16 Therefore CONFESS YOUR SINS TO ONE ANOTHER and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
Show me where anyone in the New Testament forgives someone’s sins. You can’t.
@@jandrew86 Not only did I show you that Jesus gives authority to his disciples to for give sins, (Right there in the first comment I made, copied from the bible and you are already arguing with it) but there are several scriptures where Jesus forgives the sins of those that he healed. In the case of the woman who was caught committing adultery, he said to her: "Neither do I condemn thee, Go and sin no more" and in the case where he healed a c rippled man he said: "Your sins are forgiven, get up and walk" HELLOOOoooo
@@jandrew86 BTW Something does not have to be in the bible to be true. The doctrine of "scripture alone" was m a d e up by Martin Luther, who used this false doctrine to excuse him from obeying the CHURCH.
JESUS founded a CHURCH and LUTHER oppose d Jesus by inventing thi s false doctrine
@@jandrew86 ➨ The Bible ITSELF Contradicts Luther's doctrine of "scripture alone" (solascriptura) The Bible tells us that the authority is THE CHURCH: ...
● 1 TIMOTHY 3:15 The pillar & foundation of TRUTH is the CHURCH.
● EPHESIANS 3:10 10 His intent was that now, THROUGH THE CHURCH, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
● 2 THESS 2:15 We are to hold fast to the TRADITIONS we have been given, either by WORD OF MOUTH or by the letter.
● 1 COR 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything, and maintain the TRADITIONS even as I have delivered them to you.
● JOHN 21:25 Jesus said & did Many other things that are too numerous to be recorded in writing.
● HEB 13:17 Obey the eldars in the CHURCH.
● MATT 18:15-17
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto THE CHURCH: but IF HE NEGLECTS TO HEARTHE CHURCH let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
The True Church is a TEACHING Church: (to Teach means to impart knowledge that is not presently know....not in writing)
● JOHN 14:26-31
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall TEACH you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
(To TEACH is to impart knowledge that is not presently known....not in writing)
● ACTS 8:31: And he said, HOW CAN I, (understand scripture) EXCEPT SOMEONE SHOULD GUIDE ME? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
(The scriptures are not for individual interpretation. They need the guidance of the CHURCH. It is PROTESTANTS who are following the doctrines of a man.)
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Luther's doctrine of "Faith alone" is ALSO False:
➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
REV 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDSand glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● ROMANS 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:8-11 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● MATT 12:36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle WORD THAT MEN SHALL SOEAK, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE JUSTIFIED, and BY THY WORDS THOU SHALL BE CONDEMNED.
(not by yout faith alone)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 TIMOTHY 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 PETER 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 PETER 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● MATT 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 COR 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
1 Peter 1:17
Where does it say priest??!
"And every (catholic) priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins... For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them (christians) that are sanctified." - Hebrews 10:11,14
Must be easy skimming through a whole chapter until you find the one verse you THINK fits your agenda, posting it and ignoring the rest. You're not even close to what the writer of Hebrews was saying.
There's an old saying, "It is better for one to remain silent and only be THOUGHT a fool then to open it and remove all doubt."
Thanks for removing my doubts about you.
How about reading Romans 2:1 before posting.
OK. And? My previous reply stands. But I'm really impressed with your response to my post about Hebrews and your lack of knowledge about it.
By reading your comment below, I assume that you are against catholic theologians and what I was trying to do, was to prove that catholic theology is similar than the old testament sacrifical offerings.. I'm not arguing here for supporting the catholic theology, rather to point why it's false. Christ has been offerered on the cross once and for all sins.
If you are familiar with the old testament sacrifical ritual, it's similar than catholic mass offering (eucharist). That was the point. God bless you.
It seems I get into discussions with those that agree with me but their posts sound just the opposite. Read you're first post. It sounds like an advocation of the catholic priesthood. If you're going to lay out a case for or against something, lay it ALL out and not be vague. I'm in my sixties and have been studying scripture over 40 years, the length of my being saved by grace, but raised a Catholic prior, even receiving five of their seven sacraments. This is not to boast, just to show I'm no spring chicken. I've studied under one of the country's most reknowned theologians of the late 20th century, Dr. Walter Martin (he has plenty of videos right here on You Tube). It was he that introduced me to the study of comparative religions.
Yes, I'm familiar with OT priestly functions and, especially, the Book of Hebrews; my favorite NT book. I have to use it a lot when Mormon missionaries come to my door.
I am not against Catholic theologians, per se, when they can interpret scripture without all the inference into scripture, it's quite the work. Unfortunately, those are so far and few between today. It was they that gave us a clear definition of Christ's uniqueness of being both all man and all God with the Nicene Creed in the 4th century AD; a time when heresy was running rampant and needed to be put to rest.
I come across arrogant at times, but it relly is frustration. I can show, through scripture, the errors of one's thinking and they just keep resisting GOD word, not mine. I finally throw my hands in the air and give them the Christ to Pharisses speech, holding nothing back. Even when giving them scripture and cross references for them, they still say I'm wrong, never thinking they could be wrong. Can I be wrong? Yes, show me in scripture without the eisegesis of scripture.
Everything Protestants attack can be found in the bible: Mary (and honouring her) Saints (and their intercession) confession, Penance, Good works, The Eucharist, Carved Images in the LORD's temple, etc etc etc etc ...Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It is an invention of Men who rebelled against the church that Jesus established, plain and simple.
Protestants aren’t against good works. Ephesians 2:8-10 exactly proves our point. Because it is God who predestined us to do Good Works. They are His works working in us. Not our own. Philippians 2:12-13 says the same.
1 Cor. 9:27 says nothing about Paul losing his salvation. Paul has been describing his life of self-sacrifice to win others to faith in Christ using the metaphor of competition. He has compared himself to an athlete who practices self-control in training in order to win the race. Paul's race leads to a prize, as well, the crown of Christ's recognition for his faithful efforts.
Now Paul says this is why he is able to stay motivated. He practices self-control in much the same way as an athlete in training continues to discipline his body with strict self-control over diet, exercise, sleep, and other behaviors. The Greek term Paul uses for "discipline" here is hypōpiazō, which literally refers to beating something black-and-blue. In common use, it implies giving someone a black eye! Paul says he "beats up" his body, like a boxer, to toughen himself for the sake of his spiritual stamina.
Paul remains in this state of continual training because he does not want to be disqualified. He is not talking about losing his salvation as a result of sin. Paul's own teaching is very clear that salvation is a gift, not something that comes as a result of strenuous effort (Ephesians 2:8-9). The prize he is running for is the crown of recognition from Christ that he has served well. In his case, this will include the lives of all of those who have believed in Jesus as a result of his preaching. The context is Paul failing to obtain his goal of winning others, not somehow earning salvation.
Paul recognizes that it is possible for even him to be disqualified of his prize. The runner in a race is disqualified for running off the course, either intentionally or through ignorance. The boxer is disqualified for violating the rules, as well. Paul understands it is not guaranteed that he will finish well. He is not assured of a successful ministry. Nor is he promised to be effective in witnessing to others.
Given what Paul writes in the following chapters, he likely has in mind not just the loss of a crown in eternity. He probably has in mind the Lord's discipline in life for Christians who engage in sinful behaviors. He wrote in chapter 5 about discipline for someone flaunting his sexual sin. He will soon describe God's discipline of His people in the past and the present.
@@s_hrndz0119 Catholics are Faith and Works. Protestants are Faith ALONE and do nothing but condemn Catholics who do good works, claiming that we are "trying to buy our way into heaven and they scrutinize everything we do despote the warnings given in MATT 7:2 and the story of 2 men in the temple (LUKE)
@@s_hrndz0119 ➨ WORKS, PENANCE, & PURGATORY (All copied from the protestant version of the Bible by me)
➨WORKS:
● REV 20:12...The dead are judged BY THEIR WORKS.
● JAMES 2:18 Faith without works is dead
● MATTEW 19:17 Jesus tells us if we want to enter into Life, we must keep the commandments.
● MATTHEW 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your GOOD DEEDS and glorify your Father in heaven.
● JAMES 2:24 A man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
● ROMANS 2:6 He will judge everyone according to WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
● Romans 2:13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
● MATTHEW 7:21 Not everyone who says to me: "Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven but only those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER.
● PHILIPPIANS 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
● MATT 25:35-40 JESUS HIMSELF tells us to feed the hungry & clothe the naked, etc (good works). He further warns us that those who do NOT will be sent away into the eternal fire., but those who do these WORKS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
● LUKE 16:19-30 The story of Lazarus and the rich man shows us that the rich man went to hell for refusing to help Lazarus who was poor and hungry. (He refused to do good works)
● TITUS 3:14 KJV And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
● EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV) Protestants "prove" their false doctrine of "faith alone" By quoting EPH 2:8-9 and they STOP before they get to number 10:
8 For by GRACE are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (most protestants stop here instead of continuing on to 10):
➨ 10 FOR WE ARE GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HAS BEFORE ORDAINED, THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM.
● 1 COR 9:27 (KJV) (Paul speaking) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a cast away.
● JOHN 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who HAVE DONE what is good will rise to live, and those who HAVE DONE what is evil will rise to be condemned.
● JOHN 3:36 (RSVCE) as well:
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him."
(We must obey.)
➨PENENCE: Protestants reject the idea that they must do "penence" (attempt to make up for the sins they have committed) ● Luke 19:8. Zacchaeus told Jesus if he has cheated anyone, he will repay them 4 times over.
● Mark 2:20 Jesus said (regarding his disciples): The days are coming when the Bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast.
● Matthew 6:16 When you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrits do.
● Jonah 3:5-9
The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
● Acts 26:20 RSV but declared first to those at Damascus, then at Jerusalem and throughout all the country of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God and perform deeds worthy of their repentance.
● Acts 2:38-40: Do Penance and be baptized everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. For this promise is to you AND YOUR CHILDREN, and to all who are far off who the Lord our God shall call.
● COLOSSIANS 1:24
Sharing in the suffering of Christ:
(Our suffering has merits too)
24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,
➨PURGATORY:.
● 2 Timothy 1: 16-18. Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus.
● 1 Peter 4:6 The gospel was preached to the dead.
● 1 Peter 3:19 , Peter says that after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that Jesus "went to speak to the spirits in prison", which means that there is a place people go to after they die that is a prison and not heaven nor hell.
● Matthew 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will Not be forgiven, either in this world, nor in the "world to come" This implies that some sins are forgiven in the "world to come" (purgatory)
● also 1 Cor 3:12-15 & more in the Catholic Bible: (2 Mace 12:46). “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they might be loosed from their sins”
● 1 Corinthians 3:12-15
King James Version
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2 Timothy 3:17
King James Version
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
1 Peter 1:17
Love Dr martin. Amazing man. Like pacwa too.
You do not confess to a man and count beads and think you sins are gone aka little s. You only need Jesus, directly! Believe on Jesus and the cross.
Jensen A
I agree, but Christ gave power on earth to forgive sins.
@@KinkyTex so I can forgive sins?
@@KinkyTex nope that doest tells what is says.
I think its awful prideful to throw away centuries of tradition because it doesn't fit the new made up protestant theological ideas.