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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- ⚠️ TRIGGER WARNING ⚠️ What is Seventh-Day Adventism? What do they believe about Jesus? What about the Trinity? Who is Ellen G. White? Sam Shamoun and I discuss this and more in an intense discussion.
DISCLAIMER: Discussions ≠ Endorsements. Yes, Sam and I have theological differences. That wasn’t the point of this discussion. You are free to have your opinion on Sam’s demeanor, mine, Sam’s theology, my theology, etc. The purpose of this session was to be informational and get the word out about Seventh-Day Adventism to as many people as possible.
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction
2:49 - Myles's Relationship with Father
4:00 - Adventist Disfellowship Explained
5:45 - Adventism 101
7:54 - The Great Disappointment Explained
10:43 - Hiram Edson's Vision in Adventism
13:35 - The Prophetic Visions of Ellen White
17:09 - Adventist Present Truth Concept
18:57 - William Miller's Path to Repentance
21:27 - Introduction Recap
26:36 - SDA Fundamental Belief Overview
27:37 - Confidence in Ellen White's Writings
35:51 - Ellen White in Her Own Words
42:50 - The Inspiration of Ellen White
45:43 - Ellen White's Biblical Parity
52:17 - The Great Controversy Paradigm in SDA
58:54 - Adventist Doctrine of the Trinity
1:01:35 - Trinity History in Adventism
1:07:20 - Divine Visions and Error Correction
1:09:23 - SDA Beliefs on God and Time
1:10:15 - Judd Lake's Perspective on the Trinity
1:14:20 - Edwin Cotto's Take on the Trinity
1:17:55 - Ellen White's Stance on the Trinity
1:23:03 - J.S. Washburn and Adventism
1:27:38 - Exploring the Great Controversy Theme
1:29:20 - The Great Controversy Discussion
1:31:10 - Debating the Father-Son Hierarchy
1:33:48 - Lucifer's Exaltation Desire
1:34:34 - Debunking Jesus as Lord God Almighty
1:37:01 - Sovereignty of Jesus Questioned
1:41:19 - The Salvation Debate: Jesus and the Father
1:46:31 - The Salvation Debate: Jesus's Persuasion
1:48:23 - The Human Nature of Jesus
1:49:20 - The Possibility of Jesus Sinning
1:53:05 - The Concept of Jesus's Soul Sleep
1:55:39 - Jesus's Subordination to the Father
1:58:31 - Jesus's Divinity Renunciation
2:00:50 - Announcement of Part 2
2:03:20 - Concluding Remarks
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I was a Seventh-day Adventist and I left because I found out that most of the members in my congregation were nontrinitarian. They said it was "Catholic" and not biblical. Then I went to another congregation and noticed most of the people believed in the trinity. I then did further investigation and found out the trinity in Adventism is 3 separate Beings.
Hi, I hope you found a Bible believing only church . SDA is a cult . Ellen G White is their false prophet . SDA'S pervert God's word to fit EGW'S false doctrines .
Sda use christian lingo but put a different meaning on it
@YAJUN YUAN Wrong Mr SDA polytheist. Scripture is clear that all 3 persons share the same nature/essence. Scripture is clear that there is only one God (Yahweh) and that the Father, Son and Spirit are Yahweh. Repent from sda idolatry.
Calling in one being in three persons, and three beings is no different. It’s all confusion. Emmy is a is not multiple percentages in one being to try to maintain monotheism. That’s really polytheism masquerading itself as monotheism.
I'm not sure about where you congregated but all sda churches I know nontrinitariam are a slim minority. The second of the 28 adventists believes is the beliefe in the trinity.
Different denominations..might have a few different veiws..but we all accept one another as brothers and sisters in One Body of Christ, but unlike Adventism who think they are superior to other believers ,calling all those that worship on Sunday "they of the Beast system meanwhile they have :
False gospel
False Jesus
False atonement
False seal of God
False Atonement
@@rayray4192 If every Adventist could get intelligent enough to study the Bible for themselves without the lense of EGW then only they will realize they are outside of Christ
There is a difference between adventists and adventism. I left the organization, but for 10 years, I never knew the clear word bible existed, I never knew about Ellen White's false prophecies (including claiming that England would invade the US during the civil war), and never knew about her outrageous claims such as her comments on wearing wigs and using condiments on foods. I never knew they teach that William Miller is taught as a pioneer in their education system, I thought they were a Christian denomination that formed rejecting William Miller's "calculations". Sermons were given each week by church members, using Bible verses, and there were hymns and potluck, and maybe every few weeks a pastor would preach. But after 10 years or so, I saw the massive problems in the organization.
I went to Adventist schools when I was younger. William Miller is definitely pushed as a pioneer. Ellen White said that Miller was forgiven for turning back to Sunday worship because of what he went through after 1844. What did she say about condiments on food and Wigs ? I never know she predicted England would invade the US.
She said "If England would ..."
My prophecies are ALWAYS CORRECT! -actual events, as well as the timing & location of said events... are sold separately!
you still have one prophecie to fulfill : sunday Law :)))
@@knimra5958Fairy Tails are not Prophetic 😂
@@alongcamejones309 😂😂😂😂
Congratulations on 1K!
Thanks man!
Brother in christ please put future references in the description or comments, it would help a great deal. May the peace of christ be with you 🙏🏿
Came through with ALL the receipts 👏🏾 Great work brother, God bless!
Ex sda listening to Miles pull sda theology apart while enjoying a glass of red 🍷 👍
Would have loved to have seen the live chat.
Shame on you! Wine is bad! -ugh... wait...
Ecclesiastes 9:7
New King James Version
7 Go, eat your bread with joy,
And drink your wine with a merry heart;
For God has already accepted your works.
@@ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD at least I’m not drinking vinegar 🤪🤣🤣
@@davidblowe9096 lol
@@rayray4192 of cordial (which is just as bad)
@@rayray4192 As we know full well the narrative must fit egw
Miles as an EX SDA you are spot on most SDA had freemason roots and please do video SDA logo which shows a inverted Cross
Can u pls tell the name of the author of the book, 'hidden in plain sight'
I LOVE this guy I love his passion he is SO funny bit so informative. 💗💗💗
@answeringadventism obviously do not understand the SDA beliefs as you claim. What you call creed have bible references which you and your host refused to quote. Adventists are not anti-trinitarian, they believe in the triune God and there are no three gods. Stop misleading people by twisting words which you have attributed to leaders of the church. You and Sam should seek more understanding of God's word and allow God's spirit who inspired the scripture to guide you. Shalom
@Answering Adventism I'm Catholic and I'm great full for the work that you're doing one of my closest friends is SDA your studies will help me be able to try to reach him and others. Keep doing what your doing GOD Bless your family and you. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
May the Triune God bless you, Roberto! Thanks for subscribing
@YAJUN YUAN no you don't. You run away from sam after babbling in the comment section.
FYI i am not a protestant so do not starting your anti catholic to me.
I am done and repented from the anti catholic garbages.
@@answeringadventism Can you explain the triune God to me? Is he a 1 person (one body) with three faces?
@@Truth4elifethere is one God who has three persons or three ways he expressives himself
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So if Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, who spoke from heaven saying, "this is my son in whom I'm well pleased" at Jesus' baptism and why did the Holy Spirit descend on Him if He is the Holy Spirit?
Who was Jesus praying to? When Jesus said "I go to My Father", was He going to Himself? How about Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father? How can one sit at the right hand of himself?
They are officially nontrinitarian in spite of their use of the word trinity BUT most of the members believe in the trinity while the majority of the pastors, elders, General Conference, etc know that the church is not really trinitarian and rejects the doctrine. You have to be in the church to understand. Most people will not get it. It is gaslighting.
@YAJUN YUAN Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons all share a belief that Jesus and the Father are two separate Beings. So Adventism is not trinitarian.
That's because many (if not most) Adventists are people who came in as Christians. Adventism makes Christians its primary mission field, and they successfully trick Christians into joining their cult by cherrypicking Bible verses to support their beliefs (not to mention keeping the seventh-day Sabbath, which is their one distinct teaching I believe is biblically sound, though I reject their Sabbath-centric eschatology). They believe their mission is to spread the "three angels' message," which to them means telling Christians to leave the "apostate churches" (aka Babylon) and join God "one true remnant church" (aka themselves). And they use Christian language but redefine it so subtly that most new or prospective converts don't notice the deception.
Since you say they are officially nontrinitarian, give us a quotation from the official document that says so.
Well put ! Guys on magisterium.
I love the way Myles lays things out. When listening to the sda "plan of salvation" I can't help but think of the video "The God Makers" about Mormon theology. In that video is a cartoon that tells the Mormon story of God, creation, sin, "salvation" etc.
It would be great if someone would make a similar video for the sda church quoting EGW and her theology { i.e. God elevating Jesus, lucifer getting mad, lucifer saying "the law is unjust" Jesus could not see through the portal of the tomb etc.}
Laying it out and presenting it like the fable that it is using eGW quotes would be a great way to further expose the zda beliefs
Thanks! Wait till part 2!
Myles please tell me where I can get my hands on “Hidden in plain sight” is there by any chance an online copy or the book must be purchased?
Contact us and we can get you a pdf. But Amazon is where to buy the set.
1:42:00 I also noticed that she said salvation was by both faith and works at the end of that quote. God's Word says salvation is by faith alone, or else grace is no longer grace (see Romans 11: 6) What blasphemy by a supposed prophet of God.
Still, I have to ask you three questions. First, it sounds almost like you're endorsing Modalism and saying that Jesus is both the Father and the Son. Is that what you meant, or simply that Jesus is equal with the Father? Second, where in the does it specifically say that Jesus is one in substance with the Father and Spirit? And third, how do we know that the traditional understanding of the Trinity isn't simply from ancient Greek philosophy?
Absolutely NOT modalists. We don’t believe God is fundamentally one person expressed in different modes at different times. Jesus is equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit in essence, substance, and nature. Three persons (centers of consciousness with the ability to will, self-reflect, and show emotion) that are all one being (state/mode of existence possessing the all attributes of divinity). God = Being
By substance, the Christian church means possessing the divine attributes. Which one would you like an example of Jesus possessing?
If the “traditional understanding” of the Trinity is wrong than God hasn’t been leading the Church down through the ages and billions of Christian’s through the ages haven’t known who God fundamentally is and have been worshiping an idol-a false god. Not that we understand the mechanics of how it all works, not at all. But scripture reveals that God is three persons who are equal in their ontos (nature/being) forming one singular being, not three beings.
We know it isn’t from Ancient Greek philosophy because of what is meant by the words. The Church has come up with language to use to describe what we see from scripture. The early church existed in a Greek society, just like I exist today in an American society with English. It wouldn’t be fair for people 200 years from now to look back and say “look at that, they used American philosophical language when discussing which means their understanding wasn’t biblical, it was American philosophy”.
This is what the SDA Church has done with the ancient church. They simply used language of their day because that’s the society they lived in. We have ported that over into English to be able to communicate in our day. What matters is the concept behind the words which is indeed found in scripture.
I would say Seventh day Adventism is not Christianity, or Judaism at that, in its systematic theology . It’s more of a prophetic movement , with its interpretations on Daniel 8;14.
Excellent job myles.
@YAJUN YUAN here a little there a little is the standard hermeneutic
@YAJUNYUAN exactly
@YAJUNYUAN your response is typically sda - your profit has to be 100% correct no matter what.
1900 years of theology is wrong then “the little flock” comes along with “someone” claiming **”I was shown”** and suddenly the church is wrong and everyone MUST become a sabbath keeping vegetarian according to Ellen G White rules and regulations.
@YAJUNYUAN I’m very well versed in her writings - please debunk her views **from The Bible** on the nature of CHRIST - and don’t bother playing the sda game of change the subject
@YAJUN YUAN you assume she was consistent with herself
JOSEPH BATES:
“Respecting the trinity, I concluded that it was impossible for me to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, was also the Almighty God, the Father, one and the same being. I said to my father, “If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your father, and you my son, then I can believe in the trinity.”
(Joseph Bates, 1868, The Autobiography Of Elder Joseph Bates, page 204)
Makes sense to me. How can Jesus be God the Father and the Son at the same time. Does anyone really believe that is the case?
i'm confused. what is theTrinity if it's not three persons in one ?
Asking EVERY Adventist!
A.) Ten commandments?
B.) The whole law?
C.) Commands of Christ?
D.) Something else?
What should we do??? -nobody seems to know
@@rayray4192 I simply ask them to pick one. When they pick:
A.) then why did Christ refuse to rest on the Sabbath, OR accept the plain definition... of adultery & murder?
B.) how many sacrifices did you perform this week?
C.) what happened to the "eternal" law?
D.) what IS required then?
Very few, even have the courage... to pick one.
@@rayray4192 They would knock Jesus over, for a chance... to touch the tablets of stone.
@@rayray4192 Absolutely, this is often the first item I bring:
Don't you believe:
The Testimony of Jesus?
-the very title & the code words employed by Ellen, to refer to HER writings
Then I actually present the explicit testimony OF Jesus, quoted from scripture:
That He was working on the Sabbath & John agrees he BROKE the Sabbath.
So immediately, they refuse to acknowledge scripture. -just to get it on record
A.) He was a priest, though not well understood... & ALL priests profane (desecrate) the Sabbath. -by working, without sin
B.) When claiming to be Lord of the Sabbath, he NOT ONLY claims to be GREATER than the temple... but explains that NOT EVEN MAN is a "servant" of the Sabbath. -so, who can claim rightly... that he is a subject?
C. As God, he begins to excuse "seriously" unlawful acts... committed against the physical temple, by David. -who but God can forgive sin?
They don't realize they put the law ABOVE God, all day long.
As a former SDA I can say I had NO IDEA that Christ was God, with full authority to satisfy the law, thus ending it... & then give new commands.
It's all so obvious.
That's why we shouldn't ask anybody else what we should do, but what the Word of God tells us to do, yeah? Let us use the reasoning He's blessed us with & let the Spirit lead us through these texts, to see which of these options you've presented, the Lord would want us to choose...then, at the end, let us read and see if we can understand the Word, that has gone out of the Lord's mouth...
My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. ~ Psalm 119:172
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. ~ Jeremiah 31:33
The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. ~ Psalm 111:7
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. ~ Mark 10:17-19
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. ~ John 14:21
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. ~ Ecclesiastes 12:13
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. ~ 1 John 5:2, 3
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ~ Revelation 14:12
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. ~ Revelation 22:14
And God spake all these words, saying,
"I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."
And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. ~ Exodus 20:1-17
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. ~ Psalm 89:34
Can anyone, point out, which one of these commandments you would not want to be kept, in the society you live?
Why are we complicating the Bible so? These texts are really clear and strait forward...nothing really nebulous about them?
Brothers and sisters, please, let us not forget, that Satan "sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty...", & knows Scripture better than we do. As i said in a different post, if he could convince a third of holy angels, that God was wasn't Who He said He was, please do not think yourself so wise, that you can not be decieved by him. "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." ~ Revelation 12:9 Did he not try to spit game at our Lord by manipulating the Scriptures? If you believe something, you should not be able to find "witnesses" anywhere else that testify against it. Please y'all, let the texts tell you what's real and please don't take to the task of the great slanderer. If a donkey tells me something that jives with the Bible, i'm going to roll with it! Some people get so intrenched with the bandwagon of slander, that reason, becomes unreasonagle to them. ANY question anyone has on what an SDA believes can be clearly answered with Scripture. That's how i found my church...looking for truth. And i've found Him...as clear as day!!! Where else shall i go?
" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." ~ John 6:65-69
@@From_darkness2Life That sounds nice. Of course SDAs are not at liberty... to do this.
The church manual requires you to reject scripture, if it threatens the pillars of Adventism.
They have an 'infallible" interpreter. A frumpy female pontiff, that rules from the grave.
That's why we're all here, to set the captives free.
@answering adventism , with the day year principle and 2300 days event in heaven , does Adventism make an ontological claim about God ? In other words does Adventism claim to knw time and space in heaven ?
Miguel, I apologize, but I struggle to understand your questions.
Are you asking what their view is regarding time in Heaven? If so, yes, they believe time will be kept in Heaven and that timelessness, even God existing outside of time, is an Aristotelian and Greek idea.
Jerry Moon admits in the paper I read on the stream that they don’t believe God is timeless.
@@answeringadventism yes , because Adventism has the day year principle, yet Adventism claims that the time Jesus moved from holy to most holy was on 7th month , 10th day (in heaven ) and oct 22 on earth . Additionally , revelation 1:8
@@answeringadventism is understood as 30 minutes in heaven is about 7.5 days on earth . do Adventists say that 2300 days = years on earth is the same as 30 minutes in heaven 7.5 days on earth in the literal sense ? This is the time God experiences in heaven
@@answeringadventism also Adventism has a temporal God not atemporal. Because of a literal space in heaven ; the sanctuary. Is Gods time in heaven based on that day year principle?
Do you know about any connection between Charles Taze Russel and Ellen G White, was Russel under Whites teachi
they was bouth Millerites i understand
It’s my understanding that Russell was an associate of the White’s.
Their religion’s came out of the same movement around the same time.
SDA pastors know this but don’t speak about it.
So both SDAs and JWs are very exclusive of all other forms of Christianity. SDAs get this from the failed 1844 return of Christ and the cognitive dissonance associated with believing the date so much that they had to spiritualize the event to maintain the date. The same thing occurred with the JWs in 1914 when Christ was supposed to return. They maintain the He returned spiritually that year rather than physically.
Walter Martin notes that because the Millerites were humiliated by the failure of their chronological calculations they became “habitually on the defensive and suspicious of the motives and intentions of other Christians,” and were “Engaged in open conflict with Christians of virtually all denominations.” Thus, by engaging in such paranoia, they “retreated into an ‘exclusivistic shell.’
The mindset of exclusivism that the Millerites had was passed down to Charles Russell who himself had imported all the heterodox ideas and doctrines from a number of Millerites, namely; George Storrs, George Stetson, Nelson Barbour, and Jonas Wendell *(all Adventists of one kind or another)*
@little angel egw uses masonic terminology in her writings, terminology that isn’t used in the Bible or in any other christian book that I’ve read, there is a photo of James standing behind Ellen posing in a high level masonic pose and there is another photo from a camp meeting with 7 people behind Ellen showing masonic poses, she twist and perverts the Bible in the exact way that the masonic does and James and Ellen’s graves are marked with masonic symbols
Thank you Myles! I h.ave been following the SDA off and on for 5 years. I recently had fallig out with amember. Im so tired of so much falsehood of so many churches.Do you Kn ow if John MacArthur is a true and right teacher? I have been listening to him too, he calls SDA a cult also.
Below is a discussion between an Adventist minister and myself a Catholic regarding the Sabbath I trust anyone who thoughtfully reads this will find it interesting. The discussion contains many of the Adventist's arguments commonly given to defend their belief in Sabbath keeping. It's very straight forward.
I write: My friend, in order for a person to enter the kingdom of God he must be honest in all things. Much of what you said is not true, nor is it from scripture. I don’t necessarily blame you for the content of your reply, but whoever originated the content of our reply was either intentionally or unintentionally dishonest. Please let me explain: You wrote the following items which I have numbered for your consideration.
My reply is below each one.
SDA 1. Exodus 20 is certainly important. However, the Sabbath goes back further than Exodus 20 and the Ten Commandments. It was given by God at creation as His ideal, a special "holy" place in time. So in that sense, it was given to the entire world.
*ANSWER:*
When one reads Exodus chapters 19-20 it is very plain that God is speaking to the circumcised, “Children of Israel” as a nation, not the other nations of the world
SDA 2. Adventists did not modify Genesis 2, nor did the "children of Israel" exist at that time (that came later).
*ANSWER:*
The truth is neither did God, Jews nor Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath in Genesis 2. The Adventist’s know that the entire Adventist movement is based in their false interpretation of the Sabbath in Genesis 2 and if it is shown that they cannot prove Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath, the whole Adventists movement collapses. So, yes, the Adventist *”Changed”* the content of Genesis 2 to read something it never says. Again, I will remind you that absolute honesty is require from the heart or otherwise you will be deceived and deceive others.
SDA 2. Likewise, our view is that if the principles of the Ten Commandments apply as "best practices" given by God for human flourishing, why would only nine remain and not all ten?
*ANSWER:*
The 10 commandments were given to the nation of Israel as the minimum standards for conduct within the society and government of the Israel. The Sabbath commandment was specific to Israel and not the rest of the world. Exodus 31:12 and a host of other scriptures demonstrate that the Sabbath is a unique covenant between God and “The Children of Israel” and not the Egyptians, Ethiopians, Chinese and Africans, just as circumcision was. Moreover, a critical verse in understanding the Sabbath is directly related to Gen. 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, *that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken MY covenant."* Adventists fail to understand that in order for anyone to have any part in the inheritance and covenant with Abraham and his family, that person had to be circumcised of the flesh.
SDA 3. Additionally, we will have to differ on what comprises "Jewish distinctions," as the Jewish people of that time were highly traditional, with many laws, customs, offerings, feast days, etc. To them, each of these was necessary in order to find God's favor.
*ANSWER:*
The law of Moses is the law of Moses and it includes all Sabbaths weekly and annually. There is no distinction between them. I know that the Adventist try to claim that the weekly Sabbath is not part of the law of Moses, to hide the fact that because it once it is shown that the 10 commandments are included in the law of Moses, it spells the end of Adventism. The choice is whether the Adventists will be honest or not.
*No scholar would dare deny that Lev 23 is part of the law of Moses.*
Lev 23:1-3 plainly Shows MOSES commanding the Sabbath, saying *"EVEN"* (meaning ESPECIALLY the weekly Sabbath is a feast! If you are obligated to keep the weekly Sabbath, you are obligated to keep *all the Sabbaths of Lev. 23* In Lev. 23, They are all Feasts and the first feast is the weekly Sabbath. Adventist try to ignore this because, once again it undermines their whole entire argument. *One can easily see that if the weekly Sabbath is a *"Feast"* as Lev. 23 explicitly says it is, there is no possible way for the Adventists out of the fact that Col. 2:16 includes the weekly Sabbath. Furthermore, one can plainly see that before Exodus 20, there is Exodus 16 which explicitly shows *MOSES* commanding the Sabbath to the children of Israel. The Adventist Church needs to come clean.
SDA 4. Jesus didn't seem to agree. There was obviously concern that Christianity could be made very "heavy" if the early-Christian church was saddled with all of these. We believe that the apostles faithfully carried out the commands of Jesus through these statements.
*ANSWER:*
Yes, and to understand Peter’s words in Acts 15, he knows that the Sabbath cannot be singled out as a commandment, without all the other laws from circumcision of the flesh to even the sacrificial laws being incumbent upon the Gentiles. Because it is all one law, not two as the Adventist Church teaches. The scripture plainly calls it *one law* to be kept by both the circumcised Jew and the circumcised Gentile. (Exodus 12:48-49)
Of course, the “Book of the Law” contained Lev. 23 as well, so therefore, there can be no exclusion of the Sabbath day from both inside and in the side pocket of the ark. Deut 31:24 *And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
26 *Take this book of the law* , and put it in the side of the ark of *the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a WITNESS against thee.* The 10 commandments as well as the entire law of Moses stands as a witness against the everyone who professes to keep them. Rom. 3:19
SDA 5. They didn't want the fledgling Christian movement to be saddled with the rigidity of these many laws and traditions. Nowhere does it read that the Sabbath was invalidated, as it predated all of the Judaic (human) laws when it was given at creation by God.
*ANSWER:*
Your premise is wrong and therefore, your conclusion is wrong also. The Sabbath was never commanded to the Gentiles to keep, except when they had been circumcised of the flesh and had taken hold of “my covenant” with Abraham and the Children of Israel (Isa.56:1-7). Verse 7 of Isa. 56 clearly shows that the covenant includes the animal sacrifices as much as Sabbath keeping, and it included all of Lev. 23 as well.
SDA 6. Jesus and the Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath, as is recorded multiple times in the New Testament.
*ANSWER:*
Jesus and Paul were Jews and as such, *they celebrated all of the Feasts of Lev. 23,* so it is no amazing thing. They were both circumcised of the flesh too as commanded by God.
The Apostle Paul writing 20 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, still shows that contrary to the Adventist teaching the book of the law was still to be kept by every person who kept the Sabbath writing in Gal. 3:10 says, Galatians 3:10 (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, CURSED is EVERY ONE that continueth not in *ALL THINGS* which are written in Book of the law to do them.
The Lord himself judge the secrets of your heart this day whether you will be found having your own righteousness which is of the law or the righteousness of faith apart from the deeds of the law (Rom. 3:21) . As long as you live by the law, you will be judged by the law and found sorely wanting. As for us, it is written the righteous shall live by faith and the law is not of faith. *But, know this, that the scripture declares no heretic will inherit the kingdom of God* Gal.5:17-19,
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 *Knowing that he that is such *is subverted* , and *SINNETH, being condemned of himself* .
*The wrath of God is against the heretics!
LHU 253.3
I think you gave the wrong reference there at 1:36:23 .. you might want to clarify cause I can’t find it..
Edit: I only bring this up cause it was one of the quotes you brought up that bothered me, so I’d like to read it for myself.
“There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of Calvary, yet it is nonetheless true that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”-Lift Him Up, pg. 235 (LHU 235.3)
We have an article on this on our website that goes into great detail: answeringadventism.com/is-jesus-christ-the-almighty-god/
Neither can I!
@@answeringadventism I can't see what your problem is with the above quote. You'd have to be incredibly prejudiced to gather from this that EGW is saying Jesus is not God. The same sentence carries on to say "yet Christ and the Father are one" Isn't it patently obvious that she's saying Jesus is not God the Father? How on earth can you deduce anything else from that statement?
But like all her other detractors, you take her writings out of context, and quote only the section that will seem to back up your false claims. So why don't we look at the whole passage and those of your readers/listeners who are fair and open -minded can judge whether you have been entirely honest. Here's the whole passage:
"Christ left His position in the heavenly courts, and came to this earth to live the life of human beings.
This sacrifice He made in order to show that Satan's charge against God is false--that it is possible
for man to obey the laws of God's kingdom. EQUAL WITH THE FATHER, HONORED AND ADORED BY THE ANGELS, in our behalf Christ humbled Himself, and came to this earth to live a life of lowliness and poverty--to be a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. YET THE STAMP OF DIVINITY WAS UPON HIS HUMANITY. He came as A DIVINE TEACHER, to uplift human beings, to increase their physical, mental, and spiritual efficiency. There is no one who can explain the mystery of the incarnation of Christ. Yet we know that He came to this earth and lived as a man among men. THE MAN CHRIST JESUS WAS NOT THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, YET CHRIST AND THE FATHER ARE ONE. THE DEITY DID NOT SINK UNDER THE AGONIZING TORTURE OF CALVARY, YET IT IS NONETHELESS TRUE THAT "GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Isn't it clear that EGW believes Jesus is God? How else would you interpret "EQUAL WITH THE FATHER"? So why did you not quote that section? Could it be you knew it would give the lie to your claims?
If you have a problem with EGW differentiating between the PERSONS of God the Father and God the Son, does that mean you think, like some do, that the Son is just a manifestation of the Father? If that's the case you not only have a problem with us, you also have a problem with the Bible.
Notice this quote from Revelation 21:
22;
And I saw no temple therein: for THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY AND THE LAMB are the temple of it.
Clearly The Lord God Almighty is not Jesus in this case, because Jesus is The Lamb. The Bible makes a clear distinction between the two. Two persons, one God.
Do we believe that Jesus is the Almighty God ? Of course we do. We go by the Bible and the Bible clearly says He is. Even if we ignore Isaiah 9:6 there are other passages which tell us that He is the Almighty God. For instance;
Genesis 17:1
17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I AM THE ALMIGHTY GOD; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis48:3
3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, GOD ALMIGHTY APPEARED unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
John chapter 1 says "18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
So we know from this that Abram and Jacob could not have seen the Father, but they saw Almighty God the Son.
And as anyone who read Mrs White's writings without ulterior motives know, she has corroborated the Biblical evidence too many times to mention.
I was disappointed to see Sam appearing aghast when you quoted the passage because even without the first section for contextualisation, it was very clear that EGW was juxtaposing two of the persons of the Godhead. It was almost the exact words he himself said on one of his videos and it's certainly what he said on his blog.
I don't mind people criticising us and criticising EGW. Non of us is perfect. We're all humans and we all make mistakes. When these are pointed out we can learn from them and grow into better persons. All we ask is that those criticisms are unbiased and that we get a fair hearing.
Sam is a wonderful brother in Christ, love hearing him tearing Islam apart almost every day. Be sure to mention to him, SDA not only disses the Holy spirit, but also replace him as the seal of God with the Sabbath.
"When Seal of God Is Refused-If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.-The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897.
One more
"The sign or seal of God is his Sabbath, and the seal or mark of the beast is in direct opposition to it; it is a counterfeit Sabbath on the “day of the sun.” According to Revelation 14:9-12, they who do not receive the mark of the beast keep the commandments of God; and the Sabbath is in the fourth precept; they keep the Sabbath of the Lord; they have his sign or seal. The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 691.3
There are plenty more where it came from.
@@rayray4192 “In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Ephesians 1:13).
Why is the SDA fixated on the study of Chinese characters as revelation of the Bible? There so many CZcams videos of SDA preachers talking about this.
Myles, I'm going to ask a question. I hope you answer:
Is the Catholic church a cult?
"Lucifer was next to the father" - where can I find the quote?
"Lucifer pointed to the long-suffering of God as an evidence of his own superiority, an indication that the King of the universe would yet accede to his terms. If the angels would stand firmly with him, he declared, they could yet gain all that they desired. He persistently defended his own course, and fully committed himself to the great controversy against his Maker. *Thus it was that Lucifer, “the light bearer,” the sharer of God's glory, the attendant of His throne,* by transgression became Satan, “the adversary” of God and holy beings and the destroyer of those whom Heaven had committed to his guidance and guardianship."-Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 39
This is what I was specifically referencing in this stream, but there are others. She repeatedly said he was a covering cherub next to the throne "sharing in God's glory". The Father is on the throne. So connecting the dots.
@@answeringadventism It makes only sense if she refers to Lucifer as an cherb before his fall and picturing Lucifer standing as a cherub or unfallen angel next to the throne of God and covering the arc.
David Asscherick Vs Myles Christian (Friendly debate/discussion)
Get it set up.
Best interview so far. Thank you for exposing the SDA lies.
The quote about Jesus not being God is LHU 235.3, don’t get upset and acuses Myles of misquoting.
1:31:33 You quote from E. G. White: "The King of the universe summoned the heavenly hosts before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son and show the relation He sustained to all created beings." The phrase 'set forth the true position of His Son', obviously, doesn't mean that the Father exalted His Son at that very moment when He gathered the heavenly host. No. The Father simply expains to the angels the true position of the Son. Later in the book E. G. White says: "There had been no change in the position or authority of Christ. Lucifer’s envy and misrepresentation and his claims to equality with Christ had made necessary a statement of the true position of the Son of God; but this had been the same from the beginning. Many of the angels were, however, blinded by Lucifer’s deceptions." {PP 38.1} So, that occasion was not for making the Son, who was before the event lower than the Father, equal with God. The Son was equal with the Father before the occasion. You misrepresented the words of E. G. White. It's not fair.
The real issue, according to E. G. White, was this: "And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God." {1SG 17.1}
No I didn’t, and had you looked at our website you would have seen that we’ve already addressed this excuse. Clearly you aren’t wide read in her writings.
“God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.”-Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8, pg. 268 (8T 268.3)
This is the most forthright of the statements out there. And she says the same thing over and over and over. Spirit of Proohecy, Vol. 1, pg. 17 she says Lucifer assumed command that DEVOLVED on Christ alone. Devolved means authority given from a higher power to a lesser.
We have gone over this countless times on the platform and dealt with this bad excuse of “no, no, she claims this was just a revelation to the angels of something that always was the case.”
@@answeringadventism Did you carefully read my comment? I stated that that occasion of summoning the angels was not the moment when the Father exalted His Son. It was done before the occasion, but E. G. White does not specify the exact time. She simply stated "There had been no change in the position or authority of Christ. ... this had been the same from the beginning." {PP 38.1} On that occasion th Father just conferred a special honor: "The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son." {1SP 17.2}
"Clearly you aren’t wide read in her writings." You are wrong. You, I suppose, jumped to conclusion. I knew all statements of E. G. White that you quoted. But according to PP 38.1 the Son's position wasn't changed. So He must be made equal with God at the beginning. When was the beginning? The following quote gives answer:
" The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate--a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father--one in nature, in character, in purpose--the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6. His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: "The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. . . . When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him." Proverbs 8:22-30.
The Father wrought by His Son in the creation of all heavenly beings." {PP 34.1,2} Obviously, the beginning was before the creation. So, the angels ever saw that the Son was equal with the Father. The starting point of the controversy is:
"And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God." {1SG 17.1}
Satan was the perfect and most deadliest weapon against heaven and God because he was from heaven, the Bible itself says, we have more to fear, from those who have turned away from the truth to doctrines of devil. Satan used the written words of God to get Jesus to disobey his Father. My young friend, you are doing nothing against the truth, but for the truth that's what the Bible says.
Did u just say that Jesus can disobey
James 4:11-12 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?
Are Adventists guilty of speaking evil of their Gospel keeping step brothers? Consider the focus of all their seminars, crusades and books whose purpose is to convince people especially gullible Gentiles that all of Christianity outside of SDA is the whore of Babylon.
@terrygreenman1540 I have just one thing to say to you. Matthew 7:3-5.
@@chukku3871 Ok Dog or Hog. Good and I have a lot to say to you and since you want to beak off with that. Here it rips.
If you fail to judge others, you will be victimized by them.
A crippling misconception is rampant,
especially among observant Adventists, that believers should do no judging of others at all.
This misconception is based on an
unfortunate misreading of Matthew 7. Here it is (in RBV):
^^ Do not pass judgment, that you may not be judged; for the way you judge you will be
judged and with what yardstick you measure you will be measured. ^^
From the Sermon on Mt. Blessings I have
learned three lessons:
Lesson No. 1. As the NIV Study Bible text note for this passage makes clear, Jesus means,
Do not judge HYPOCRITICALLY. For if you do, then others will rightfully judge you
hypocritically under Christ's "measure for
measure"î MFM teaching. However, under that same MFM teaching, if you judge someone humbly and according to Scripture, then others will judge you humbly and according to Scripture. And isn't that the way you want to be judged? Especially by other Christ-followers? I do.
Lesson No. 2. Reading on: ^^ "But why notice the splinter in your brother's eye without taking notice of the beam in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, "Let me extract that splinter from our eye"í when there is a beam in your own eye? You hypocrite!
First get rid of that beam in your eye; then you will see clearly to extract the splinter from your brother's eye."^^
*Jesus makes absolutely clear here that he is addressing the hypocrite. He specifies
exactly so with the clause, "You hypocrite" He is not speaking to his meek, Good-Shepherd-following sheep*
Lesson No. 2. In the very next verse, Matthew 7:6, he does address his sheep, for they possess that which is sacred, the gospel "pearls" that he has given them. Thus he says,
*Do not give what is sacred to the dogs, so
that they may not turn around and attack you*; neither throw your pearls before the hogs, so that they may not trample them under their feet.*
Plainly and simply, Jesus commands
Christians to exercise judgment. Else we
would not be able to distinguish the person
who is ready to hear the gospel from one who isn't.
May the Holy Spirit free you gently from the
chains of which you are unaware,
Sam, he also called the SDA brothers in Christ.
Be careful for dogs walking around with a Christian cover deceiving others.
Uhh, what?
@@answeringadventism
Yes brother, I will supply you with the link on CZcams where he in no uncertainty called them brothers in Christ.
I called him out and he threatened me that he will block me on his channel after he called me a demon .
Later on he removed his comments towards me, but my comments was still there the last time I check
@@nonconformist4802i thought you said I called them that. That’s probably from Sam’s videos from years ago before he realized they are an anti-trinitarian movement. I’ve seen all those videos.
@@answeringadventism
I am not sure that he have changed his song yet.
At this stage I simply don't trust anything he have to say.
He openly said that it was God who give him this ability to reside scriptures out of his head without opening a Bible.
Then the question must be asked, if God gave him all this knowledge, why didn't God gave him the scriptures that clearly refuted the satanic teachings of the SDA?
Just asking, if you understands what I am talking about.
@@nonconformist4802 he didn’t know much about SDAism which is why he thought that. Not that he knew their system, believed it was biblical and then flip-flopped.
A few years ago some former SDAs came on and he says on video “Wow! I’m saddened to learn that SDAs are not trinitarians. This entire time I was duped into thinking they were just like any other Protestant group.”
He also told me live that it was because of Walter Martin’s book “Kingdom of the Cults” as to why he thought this.
As I listen I have not seen or heard any scriptures used to debunk Eg white at anytime, and Bible is what Jesus use the defeat Satan's lie, and I believe it what is to be used to test truth from error or hearsy.
The purpose of these sessions was reading official sources from the SDA church, not doing an exegetical walkthrough of debunking all of it.
The live audience of this stream only needs to hear the heresy to detect it. Which they did.
The quote at 1:42:00 declares that salvation is by faith plus works. The Bible says that salvation is by grace through faith alone (see Romans 11: 6, Romans 3: 28-31, Titus 3: 4-7, and Ephesians 2: 8-9). This proves that EGW was a false prophet with a false gospel, and thus was under God's curse according to Galatians 1: 8-9.
@@hotwax9376 James 2:26 ESV
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
@@hotwax9376 Being obedient to God's law is not work, but showing our love and loyalty to Him.
@@answeringadventism
How can you label them false without referring to scriptures?
Miles is your sda father saved or lost?
GREAT QUESTION! Recently wondered what SDAs thought on the question... of knowing you're saved. Internal polls say 69% of SDAs... believe they are. Requires a 17-page lecture outline... from a university professor... to ponder this properly.
SEE:
Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary, Andrews University
Ellen G. White on Assurance of Salvation
Jerry Moon, April 26, 2006, teaching outline
@@AnnWan-bs2xn I am not Myles, so only heaven knows... what HE thinks of HIS father. -you have replied to a third person, not the video publisher
My answer is this: An SDA who worships A FAKE Levitical Priest Jesus, named Michael, and A FAKE Jesus, who wouldn't dare to break the Sabbath Day... or make wine... doesn't know, the real Jesus.
They ONLY know a contrived caricature of him. Believe only... in unfounded rumors ABOUT him.
-and are therefore, lost...
@@AnnWan-bs2xn As a former SDA... who is happy to dismantle THE CLAIMS about Michael, from ANY source you wish (including the Biblical Research Institute) I probably don't NEED to ask you anything. Right?
You, on the other hand... may wish to study my video on the topic. -better still, study the comments there
WILLIAM MILLER:
“The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, 'Let us make man in our image?”
James White, Review, November 29, 1877.
Note: Unitarianism is a Christian belief that God is a single entity
JAMES WHITES:
I believe in one living and true God, and that there are three persons in the Godhead. {1875 JW, SLWM 59}
BRO. WHITE: The following questions I would like to have you give, or send, to Bro. Loughborough for explanation.
QUESTION 1. What serious objection is there to the doctrine of the Trinity?
ANSWER. There are many objections which we might urge, but on account of our limited space we shall reduce them to the three following: 1. It is contrary to common sense. 2. It is contrary to scripture. 3. Its origin is Pagan and fabulous.
These positions we will remark upon briefly in their order. And 1. It is not very consonant with common sense to talk of three being one, and one being three. Or as some express it, calling God "the Triune God," or "the three-one- God." If Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are each God, it would be three Gods; for three times one is not one, but three. There is a sense in which they are one, but not one person, as claimed by Trinitarians. (November 5, 1861 UrSe, ARSH 184)
No trinitarian believes God is one person. That's definitionally Unitarianism/Modalism. James White was an uneducated, ill-informed hack.
I strongly urge you to follow truth of God o
Is inspiration dictation?
Humanity is in anguish due to the hatred & violence visiting our world century after century. It won’t care about the right day of worship or the right theology. It longs for relief from suffering: elixir of divine love
YOU CANT EVEN CONVINCE YOUR OWN FATHER YET YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO CONVINCE US
John 1:1
Brother everything you read are in the Bible, it's you who should repent please, 1 Corin 8v6. John 17v3. The two verses differentiate bet God and Jesus Christ
Every Adventist congregation is so different, there are whole congregations that believe in the orthodox view of the Trinity. And some I'm sure they see the Godhead as 3 separate beings United by the same essence, purpose and mind. For example the CZcams channel "Bible Flock Box" teaches the orthodox belief of the Trinity. He has a video on it titled, "10 Facts about the Trinity."
So adventism is Babylon by its own definition. I agree with that.
However, this channel isn’t about “every Adventist congregation”. It’s about *official* organizational teaching. The official teaching of the SDA Church is not orthodox Trinitarianism.
@@answeringadventism you obviously do not understand the SDA beliefs as you claim. What you call creed have bible references which you and your host refused to quote. Adventists are not anti-trinitarian, they believe in the triune God and there are no three gods. Stop misleading people by twisting words which you have attributed to leaders of the church. You and Sam should seek more understanding of God's word and allow God's spirit who inspired the scripture to guide you. Shalom
Yes, I was told that there are three separate persons walking around up there. They teach the church to live as family and a separate occasion community as the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is.
Sabbath is the strongest point in Adventist church, which is biblical .. if baptist or other denomination follow Sabbath, it will be biblical .. thanks and God bless!
Not even close. There’s hundreds of seventh day sabbatarian groups. Not even unique to SDAs. And their position flops because they don’t understand new creation.
@@answeringadventism Thanks for the reply, it's vague when the theology of new creation is bluntly presented without concrete biblical support. Christians don't have to be an SDA to follow the Sabbath. Jesus our example wasn't an SDA nor was Paul. And yet they were Sabbath Keepers. Now, Keeping the Sabbath alone doesn't make an obedient follower of Christ but faith, submission, humility, and above all grace of God molds and fashions the Christian character. God bless !
I really want to debate with you
Email me: answeringadventism@gmail.com
@@answeringadventism I want to debate with you in public one topic at a time and video record for everyone to see, would you be willing to do that?
I pray the seventh day Adventist discover seventh day baptist
If EGW does indeed play the "Pope" and her writing are "infallible" as u have said. Why is it that u spend so much quoting, pastors, authors, sites, scalars, pioneers, professors and Adventist haters as urself?
Wouldn't it be easier just to simply put her writings head to head with the Bible, disputing the reasons, and scripture she provides (which are numerous for every thought put forward) with scripture you provide, that refutes those ideas (hopefully with an equal amount of plain verses).
It seems quite silly that u choose to refute her writings with ur own thoughts and leave out the numerous Bible verses she quotes to prove what she is saying.
*scholars*
You must be new here. Aha. You’re commenting on a video which was a presentation to astute Christian’s. They know the scriptures. This was to expose them to the blasphemy of Ellen White.
I’ve done literally countless streams showing her scriptural contradictions and horrible proof texting.
@@answeringadventism All I know is that, one does not need to set the table to present truth! Let the Bible speak for itself.
U sound a lot like what u accuse Adventism of being! Because I don't particularly share ur views, then I am not an "astute Christian" who knows "the Scriptures". Guess we all not part of ur elite if we don't agree with how u see it.
What I do know is,
1) Line must be upon line, and precept upon precept.....
2) That there is no contradiction in scripture , therefore if two passages seem to contradict, the precept with the most scriptural backing is probably the right interpretation.
3) Ur very angry at Adventism. Like a disgruntled employee, or jolted lover, that anger is almost always reason to doubt the motives of those who lash out, as u do dedicating an entire channel to bashing Adventism.
Could it be you hate them because as a 3rd gen Adventist u found it stifling, being constantly told that u are to be different from the world? That u shouldn't dress like them, or listen to the music, or act like them, or club like them, or date like them, or make "art " on ur skin like them, or that u couldn't eat little piggies in a blanket like them? Was an entire day of church just too much? Is the issue that u couldn't be separate, or wouldn't be separate, because it is too difficult, and ultimately you want the best of both and tailor ur theology to be a friend to the world? (Just a question)
@@AnnWan-bs2xn Yes it is very sad that a person can dedicate all his time to hate the SDA church, and EGW. However I find it quite ironic that in doing so he manages to be a part of fulfilling the very prophecies he contends are false.
@@AnnWan-bs2xn 100% he exabits everything the Bible says in plain text we should not be as Christians, yet expects us to take all the bad fruit he openly bears, and the baggage he comes with as truth 😓🤔🤷♂
Let people say anything they like. I will end my life up in adventist
The only helper God knew we needed from Him was the Holy Spirit, no "lesser light" required. Nor does He need a pope. The rock is the gospel of Jesus Christ, not a man.
For reference, see the gospel according to John and the book of Acts.
Myles, the reason you got worked up is that The Holy Spirit in you was also worked up over lies and blasphemy.
Absolutely abominable doctrines and teachings. This presentation was also for a non-SDA learned audience so the chat was going crazy as well. Their minds were absolutely blown.
@@answeringadventism
I’m one of those non-adventists learning about its fallacies. I came from out of roman catholocism, so I know a lot about fallacies. Sda and rcc are actually very much alike in certain respects.
God is one, there is no where in the Bible you can find investigative judgements and trinity. It's all about one God one church one spirit. Every thing about God is one. One Lord one faith one baptism. Don't say anything that the Bible doesn't teach about..
We Adventist Christian are not here to worship man,or to follow man's tradition
Or keep man's Commandments.
We are to follow God, our Creator, of heaven
earth, to love,obey and trust Him.
We must seek Him diligently with all of our heart.
You Adventists follow a woman. Stop lying.
I misunderstood on the other video! I thought Joseph was Ellen’s cousin!
They have called Jesus behelzibb
Ellen’s writings to contain comfort soo many people I heard are depressed
@@samuelwilliams1559 cuz it sounded good to u
Sam's now rejecting the gospel, rejecting justification by faith alone. He's been on the war path insulting protestants, evangelicals and working to turn people to Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy. He is as loss as the SDA at the moment.
That’s not what this discussion was about. The focus here is informing people across the spectrum on SDAism. I talk with all sorts of people I disagree with on plenty of issues. Sam is also aware of my differences with him.
@@answeringadventism There are differences, and then there are DIFFERENCES. The gospel is not adiaphora. He's as much an enemy of the gospel now as SDA are. I used to follow him sometimes but got tired of hearing him call good men dogs and followers of Satan. But I get it, the enemy of my enemy.................
@@ureasmith3049 I’m seeking to get information about SDAism out to as MANY people as possible. We don’t know who listens to Sam or who will come across it. We had someone comment saying they were about to join the SDA Church, but aren’t now.
I trust God to save His people 🙂
@@ureasmith3049 Same. I used to be a follower of Sam but after he turned to EO and blatantly called saints borderline profanities and threats, I was done, and let's not forget the whole Marian doctrines.
@@gpionav79 What saints did Sam throw profanities at please?
The adventidt i was part of were Trinitarians
So, AA.....can you give us, your audience, your definition of a cult, thanks? No frills..just the bare facts....
The moderator spirit and attitude sounds like one who is angry like the devil. As for the guest, speaks like one who has bone to pick , like Judas, a fish who comes from the deep and says its deep, the only one is more likely to believe that the sea is deep is the fish.
Yes, we hate what God hates and are angry at what angers him, as we are called to be. We don’t like damnable doctrine from the pit of hell that Satan has used to deceive people and we want to educate the body of Christ out of our love for the Body and Christ.
@@answeringadventism The religious leaders hated Jesus and the disciples because their teachings didn't support what they the Rabbi were teaching the people, the were hungry for the truth, he came in person Jesus the son of God, he called twelve men e taught and lived the truth so can could know and teach same. The pharesees were so angry called Jesus a devil and blasphemer, Jesus said, If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not sin, but now they have no cloak for their sins, John 15:22. You can read the entire chapter of John 15 and by extension the entire book kjv. Verses 23 and 24 Jesus makes very prophetic statements too, hate is a very strong word, it leads to murder, that's why Jesus, the prophets, the apostles and God's people throughout the ages were killed, started with Able who did what God required. Those who follow Jesus will be hated and killed by those who don't know him,and they will think that they are doing God service. John 16:2, In verse one of the same chapter Jesus said, These things have I spoken unto you, that ye SHOULD NOT BE OFFENDED. I am glad he has told his people what to expect so they are not surprised when these things happen, so I am rejoicing in the truth of Jesus words. I am not offended nor will I be angry, that's the Devils puragative. Take care son of God he loves you always.
These are men who are not ashamed of the Gospel or of sharing the truth. They desire for that which is hidden in darkness to be exposed in the light. The moderator knows the darkness of SDAism that others are still in, and desires them to dwell in the light of God according scripture.
@@IjeomaMenkiti I am not any sort of confrontation with you or anyone over the words of inspiration, and I am not angry my friend, the truth is opposite. What said was not in any emotion at all, and I make no apology, the teachers at time of Jesus was not in agreement with him as he taught the scripture they claimed to believe and were practicing, but Jesus saw through their folly. Right now there is in the last 50 or more years different persons coming up claiming they are the truth because they have an issue with one point of teachings in a set of beliefs of religion, because one, they don't want to obey the Bible and two, they want to be flexible in how they practice what they understand ,even if its not the right way. History have shown how so-called defender of truth, do to others who do agree with their way of thinking, you do the Math. Jesus is my example how he was treated is what will expected and it as started. Wish you good, no need to reply, I have nothing more to say to you or anyone else, we are not in a physical war but a spiritual, my weapon is praying, not words, that is my soft answer, and Jesus didn't respond to some questions he was asked,
There is no such thing as protestant in the Bible. The last time I checked i found Christian. Don't run for the rain and fell into the river.
Based on your post I could argue that the word "bible" that "bible" is not in none of the manuscripts so nobody should use it.
Satan must be very happy to these two Serpent.
That's not an argument use scripture to uphold or refute doctrine.
Myles, you say Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Answer the following questions for me.
1. Whose voice spoke from Heaven (at Jesus' baptism) saying, "this is my Son in whom I'm well pleased"? Why did the Holy Spirit have to descend on Him if He is the Holy Spirit?
2. At transfiguration, who's voice spoke from heaven saying, "This is My Son, listen to Him"? Why didn't He say listen to me?
3. Who was Jesus praying to and why?
4. What do the scriptures mean when they speak of Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father?
5. Explain John 3:16. Did Jesus send Himself?
6. After Jesus resurrected, what did He mean when He told Mary not to cling to Him for He had not yet ascended to Father?
7. Why did Jesus say the comforter (The Holy Spirit) was not going to come if He didn't go?
8. Why do the scriptures say Jesus is the express image of the Father if He himself is the Father.
9. What did Jesus mean when He said the words, "I go to the Father "?
10. Why is Jesus the mediator between man and the Father if Jesus Himself is the Father?
I LOVE THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH, IT IS THE ONLY TRUE REMNANT CHURCH. PERIOD (Isaiah 54:1; Gal. 4:26, 27; Revelation 12:1-17).
Trinity is not only of the catholic church but it was also of the devil. Read John 7:38 and understand that you can't believe in Jesus Christ base on logic opinions and philosophy..
Myles you rude lil guy. Doesnt know what are you sayn. Go debate to your on father.
Be careful with Sam bro. I see another said the same. But he is very BAD company. He has been at war with the Christian brethren for a minute now.
Sam Shamoun is sound he's a little ruff but if you deal with and debate Muslims and lets say Hebrew israelites in the streets you can't go in weak they will toss you to the side and disrespect you and your message.
@@robertotapia8086 I deal with BHI often and I never had to get on their level to get my point across. Bold? yes. A jerk? No. It's a bad look for Christ.
And I saw your other comment stating that you are a Catholic... I don't dismiss brethren within the RCC but the institution is definitely false.
Sam holds to many unbiblical doctrines along with his unchristlike nature.
This is how you debunk SDA? This is very weak. You have proven you dont know true Adventism. If you want to know what true Adventism Visit Thusia Seventh Day Adventist.
This wasn’t a “debunking” of Adventism. So your issue is a false assumption. This was a presentation to Christian’s of Ellen whites blasphemous statements.
Every pocket of SDAs thinks they’re the true Adventists. So laughable.
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No one became an adventist by reading the Bible alone!
no one? I did.
@answeringadventism I recently watched this debate with you: m.czcams.com/video/q4A-z_voMsk/video.html.
It sounds like you used to be a Calvinist. I’m assuming you’re not anymore. I thought I heard you say in a different video posted more recently than hat you follow the presbyterian Church now ??
Why assume? Because I’m discussing with Sam who isn’t a Protestant or is no longer a Calvinist?
@@answeringadventism No, because like i said I thought i also heard you say you were part of the Preyterian church now, which to my knowledge is apart or an off-shoot of the baptist church. But i could be wrong on this point.
Im just curious because the way you talked with Sam in the recent videos, you said you held to ancient beliefs of the "water baptism, apostles creed, real presence of Christ in the eucharist", etc. Again, to my knowledge Calvinists do not hold any of these other than baptizing babies
@@Outisx777 this is the unfortunate result of modernity.
Baptist’s are not reformed. There are “Calvinist Baptist’s”, but Baptist’s are not a reformed tradition. Baptist’s have an entirely different heritage. Presbyterians most definitely don’t go back to the Baptist’s. Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Anglicans are classical Protestant denominations that go back to the Reformation. We consider ourselves Reformed Catholics, though, Rome obviously doesn’t consider us such.
We affirm the Apostles and Nicene Creed. And yes, we affirm the presence of Christ in the Eucharist. We argue amongst ourselves the mechanics, but we aren’t Zwinglian memorialists. We consume the whole Christ in the Eucharist. I’d recommend Peter Martyr Vermigli’s “Oxford Treatise and Disputation On Eucharist” if you are curious on the Reformed position.
@@answeringadventism so, like i said you're no longer in line with Calvinism theology? I just wanted to clarify. And thank you for informing me on the history there brother, it is very appreciated.
I personally don't care what church you belong too as long as you hold to the trinity. Calvinism and its pre-destination gets under my skin but they're still trinitarian brothers in the Lord.
You did great in the two debates Ive watched. Your dad's partner/fellow pastor or whatever did terrible in my opinion against you, but the guy in the link I shared did a tad better but still failed to prove adventism or any of its claims
@@Outisx777 If Myles is a Presbyterian then by definition he is a Calvinist and Reformed. All original Calvinists (Bucer, Calvin, Bullinger etc.) were baby baptizers and affirmed real presence although they disagreed with lutherans and catholics HOW Christ is present in the sacrament.
Calvinistic Baptists were born in the 1600's but they aren't "truly" reformed since they rejected Reformed covenental theology, infant baptism, presbyterian church government etc. One can hold to Calvinistic/Reformed soteriology without being Reformed. And one can believe in unconditional election/predestination without being a Calvinist! Confessional Lutherans, some Catholics etc. do believe in predestination without being a Calvinist.
It is true that nowadays some Calvinistic Baptists call themselves Reformed Baptists but that is a novelty. The historical term for Calvinistic Baptist is a Particular Baptist.
And as a particular baptist I want to remind that Particular Baptists SHOULD believe in Calvinistic form of real spiritual presence. The 1689 Confession:
"7. Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements in this ordinance, do then also inwardly by faith, really and indeed, yet not carnally and corporally, but spiritually receive, and feed upon Christ crucified, and all the benefits of his death; the body and blood of Christ being then not corporally or carnally, but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses."
You guys don't know what you are talking about.
Right, Jerry Moon, Ellen White, the Fundamental Beliefs and the Adventist Church’s own website doesn’t know what they’re talking about. 🤣😅
Sounds very much like they know exactly what they’re talking about.
Can you not refute your “official sources” ?
Or do you have a make your own religion ??
@YAJUN YUAN you’re a coward who ran from the live stream when you had an opportunity to come on and demonstrate this claim. You can’t, which is why you ran and only bark in the comment sections. Again, come onto my show and demonstrate this. Come on and defend your demonic doctrine.
@YAJUN YUAN says the guy who thought Patripassianism was being espoused.
This is why you won't man up and discuss it live. Cuz you're out of your depths here. So you try and mine other peoples content, not make your own, and get clicks.
@YAJUN YUAN I know dude. That's what I just said. So not only do you struggle to listen, but also with reading. This is strike 3 with you, so you'll be receiving dial tone moving forward. Hopefully the Triune God will be merciful toward you and grant you true faith and repentance.
I. WANT TO SUE THEM FOR GIVING ME A FALSE INFORMATION AND THEN A FALSE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST AND IM GLAD JESUS CHRIST LOVES ME AND I BELIEVE IN CHRIST LORD JESUS LORD OF LORDS KING OF KINGS PRAISE JESUS CHRIST ALLELUJAH AMEN 🙏I pray for my sins and ask for forgiveness and repent for my evil sins and ask for Blessings on my Brothers and sisters Amen ❤
IT STARTED WITH A GREAT BIG LIE SDA