Martin O'Neill Criticises Ange Postecoglou's Comments Claiming Top 4 Is NOT A Prize! 🤨
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2024
- Fulham beat Tottenham Hotspur 3-0 on Saturday in the Premier League. talkSPORT's Sam Matterface, Simon Jordan and Martin O'Neill have their say!
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Of course Martin O'Neill would say that, he celebrates himself finishing 6th with Aston Villa once like a trophy
3 seasons in a row he finished 6th with Villa 👍👍
Anges done. Levy "yeah we like 4th...sooooo.." 😂
3 times, not once.
@@thebhoyciebus 3 trophies, wow
@@coolzombie816 3 trophies, warra achievement
Finally a manager with ambitions to win n not be happy with 4th place.
The British media are upset because they all think 4th is an achievement looking at how far Utd are and celebrate 4th place
Champions league is a goal for most top teams.
If not winning title, top 4 doesn't matter?
Tell that to the management that actually releases money to buy players
Tell that to top players that want to play Champion League and would not transfer to Tottenham if not in Champions League
The owners must be livid. Losing all that money
As a shameless mid 90’s glory supporter. Not being in Europe means I need to find things to say to my gf mid week.
Champions league ain’t a trophy, but damn sure it’s the lowest thing to aim for.
Ambitions start by consistently finishing in the top 4. Qualifying for the CLs to attract players that they want to bring into the future to enhance those ambitions
For clubs like City, UTD, Liverpool and Arsenal, that is considered a failure. Those teams have the means to challenge for the PL
People always just go with what their manager says without any thoughts of their own
Im not a Spurs fan so not biased but hes basically saying the process is more important. And hes right. We've seen Ten Hag abandon his system which is why he'll eventually leave without success.
Arteta was willing to take these kind of losses to stick to the process.
Arteta hasn’t won anything what are you talking about hahahaa. Ten Hag won something in his first season you couldn’t be more deluded if you tried
@@rupertwilmot4792 Won the FA cup in his first or second season didn't he? I think it was Chelsea they beat in the final, can't remember if it was the first or second but pretty sure him and ETH are near the same in terms of what they've won
@@rupertwilmot4792 Arteta won the FA cup in his 1st season ya plonk.
Ten Hag won't last. He abandoned his system to chase top 4 and now they have no identity and won't progress. It will always be 1 step forward, 1 step back with him.
@@rupertwilmot4792FA cup the season he took over you melt.
If you’re going to try and confidently say something like that you’d better get your facts straight first. You’ve embarrassed yourself.
Sorry I forgot he won 1 FA cup and 1 community shield in 5 seasons feckin hell he’s set the world alight an absolute top class manager 😂 y’a melt
Ange is spot on. If the club wants to move forward. Finishing 4th is not a trophy. Although Levi would disagree with that.
typical tottenham spursy ATTITUDE! LOL
ANGE: I DO NOT WANT 4th!!!
see spursy as always, they dnt even WANT CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL, as they are SCARED to play the REAL BIG TEAM (ie: ARSENAL, BARCA, REAL, BAYERN)
statement "I DNT WANT 4th" is like a little whinning girl not getting CANDIES... SPURSY as always
Everyone does
There is no trophy for 4th. There is no trophy for getting in to the Champions League. So strictly speaking, Ange is right.
There is no trophy for 5th either!! But at least it brings in more money and attracts better players!
Of course he know that. But his goal is building a team to compete for trophies not just reaching 4th.
To compete you start from somewhere. That 4th spot is somewhere. Some teams also have ambitions & in EPL there's no time to waste coz other teams are rebuilding, so you get what you have at the moment
@@chesh184 Oh yeah finish 4th and everything is sorted ... why did Ange not think of that
@@paulchika4121 its not about where you finish, its about how the teams plays, if the team plays rubbish and finishes 4th it means nothing
I’m a Newcastle fan so Im not bothered what other clubs are doing but I love his desire and ambition to be at the very top. His attitude is refreshing to hear and I’m convinced he is going to be one of the top coaches in the world.
Don’t be surprised if Alonso goes to Bayern then Liverpool come calling because his style is exactly what the scousers will be looking for after Klopp
I hope luverpool make ande an offer he cant refuse spurs don't deserve ange they are a bunch of wingers
@@user-lx8gs1on8zwingers? Like they all play on the wing?
@@danhouw7972 spurs need some wingers
@@danhouw7972 you know what I ment lol
Proud of my Aussie brother has done amazing.
Do you get a trophy for finishing fourth!?. He’s clearly aiming for higher!It’s called Ambition! Some people are happy with mediocrity
Its not his money hes losing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tottenham aren't in a position to challenge for the PL 😂
You get Champions League qualification, duh.
John Watt, this mediocrity thing that Levy haters use is stupid. Tottenham have not been mediocre since Enic took over. How can a club that is consistently near the top be mediocre? In fairly recent years Spurs have ended the season in 2nd, 3rd 4th 5th...and on more than one occasions. They won a cup 16 yrs ago and got to cup finals since then including UCL cup final! They qualify for Europe more times than not. How can that be mediocre? In my book mediocre is mid table and below and not ever qualifying for Europe. The Levy haters lie and exaggerate and only show up when we lose a match. Spurs are of course one of the top clubs in the Premiership but not at the very top. They now play in the best stadium in the world and train at the best training facility in the world. They built the new stadium because they have ambition. They are renowned as being one of the best run clubs in England and in world football. They are currently 5th out of 20 in the table and gunning for 4th in the early stages of a major squad rebuild. Change the record pal, the mediocrity comments sound childlike, boring and stupid.
Well said
Yes Simon gets it. I didnt think it was that complicated.
Simon Jordan spot on
He seems the only one who understands.
You don't win a trophy becoming 4th, he wants to win trophies that's real success as Simon keeps saying.
Who did Spurs get in the FA cup draw? Where were they in the Carabao Cup?
@@Franatomy Spot on, he thinks he will win the PL this season and we saw him saying they were going for all the trophies
@@Franatomylook at previous Ange comments, he talks about the team still building their identity and cohesion. His plan year 1 was consistency and progression. He’s aware he lacks depth and needs to build further. He knew his team at the beginning of the season didn’t have the correct build to compete for a spot to get into Europe and challenge domestically.
@@FranatomyHe’s building a team capable of competing/winning in the next few years, not just this season. Had he fully prioritised the Carabao cup with the current squad, he would’ve had to neglect PL standing in the process. Prob would’ve lost/drawn an extra game or 2 in the process which doesn’t benefit spurs in the coming seasons. Think the longer term mindset, not the short term..
SJ gets it. I was ready to argue his points but he is right.
4th place is not a ‘prize’. It’s a company financial goal, yes. It’s still something to chase, but just like any other spot above where you currently are in the table. There are no podium spots for 4th in any other sport on Earth. Why should the PL be any different….? I’ve always detested that mindset ever since Wenger tried to convince Gooners 4th was “another trophy”.
Levy punches the air if we get 4th. We'll be out of the domestic cups real early as a result
Coming 4th out of 20 when there are bigger and wealthier clubs in the same competition is definitely a decent achievement. Clubs who are in the same competition as bigger and wealthier clubs do not have an entitlement to win. Clubs who are not the biggest or wealthiest who come 4th have simply done the best they can. Only one team can win. Those fans who can not except that should go support a team like Man City and then change again when they lose form. Any fan who questions Wenger is beyond arrogant and should look at there own position in life. I doubt it will be at the top! He never tried to convince fans 4th is another trophy, he simply knew it was a good achievement under the circumstances.
Try attracting the level of player needed to win the EPL without the financial clout and prestige being in the UCL brings.
@@user-bh6fl4os8nWenger only started using 4th as a trophy when Chelsea broke up the monopoly between Arsenal and Man Utd.
@@user-bh6fl4os8n no its not, nobody cares who finishes 4th
The harsh reality for us Spurs fans is that despite our manager, we still don't have enough players capable of challenging the top 3. We still lack a true leader. We still aren't physical enough in the tackle and we no longer have an out and out finisher up front. Major flaws that will sadly ensure we remain unsuccessful until they're all addressed
That's why Spurs at a rebuild stage. Players still need to come in and out. The players are still young and have time to bulk up.
Its only the start, cannot solve everything in a few months
Its means nothing to be 4th and 15 points + behind 3rd.
It just means your closer to mid table than top.
🤦🏻♂️
It means you will be in the CL make more money and attract better players
Yip. If a club finished with that record in the 90's, they would be a laughing stock. And when top4 became a thing, clubs who celebrated it were seen as a joke
Martin sounds like Mrs. Doubtfire.....
Ange spoke nothing but the truth here...
He's not wrong 😊
He's completely wrong.
@@TerribleEnglish Hi is completely correct
BullS#!!+ 4th makes your next season a different experience.
Crazy really that no other sport ppl are happy with 4th place
It's obviously thre CL money that is the prize here.. Not the 4th spot
Fourth is not good enough. Every club should have the ambition to win the league and any other competition they enter.
its good that he is changing the culture at Spurs rather than the underachievement of the past twenty years, like being in the Champions League final in 2019 and not showing up
typical tottenham spursy ATTITUDE! LOL
ANGE: I DO NOT WANT 4th!!!
see spursy as always, they dnt even WANT CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FOOTBALL, as they are SCARED to play the REAL BIG TEAM (ie: ARSENAL, BARCA, REAL, BAYERN)
statement "I DNT WANT 4th" is like a little whinning girl not getting CANDIES... SPURSY as always
As a Spurs fan I'm happy with 6th! We want to see entertaining football and that's what we get with Ange. We're not winning every game but anything's better than Mourinho/Conte football
It's a message to the players as much as anyone else. The mentality is first is all that matters. It's a message to future players as much as current. Clubs that celebrate 4th will never get top.
O'neil doesn't have a clue. Clearly cant understands that ange said he doesnt want 4th if his side hasnt improved and in a position to challenge the year after. 4th doesnt guarantee anything. Just have to look at last season, spurs coming off pipping arsenal to 4th, the following season arsenal are in a title race and almost win it while conte implodes and spurs finish 8th. Just finishing 4th is meaningless
Exactly this
Obviously, 4th isn't a "prize" in a footballing sense. But looking at how much the finances of a club are important to grow the team, then it is important. As much as Arsenal were woeful in their last years of Wenger in the UCL, you can't deny that the money from finishing 4th and hence getting into UCL kept them afloat. Imagine if they didn't get the money frok that all those years, they would've absolutely fallen off. Its not a prize, but it's very important
But that mentality is why Arsenal went from being the second best team in England to where they have been for the last twenty years. Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool have surpassed them in the last two decades.
So why didn't 'Super' Ange try to win the League Cup or the FA Cup then? 🤔
fulham beat spurs on PENALTIES in the league cup - man city scored with a last nano second bundle the ball over the line after impeding the goalie goal in the FA cup 🤔
I guess team building is too much for you to comprehend
Your question makes no sense , considering he's already explained why in the interview.
@@parklane8315still clutching at straws about the cup defeat. Shame.
@@GWJUK No just saying penalties are a lottery - and for decades I have never agreed any match let alone a cup final should be decided by a penalty - play on till someone scores or have another replay 😎
Am not a Spurs fan but from what i see Spurs fans are happy with the brand of football, heck they applauded their team for conceding 4 goals at home to London rivals, Trophies dont matter
If Daniel Levy was serious about winning trophies, he'd buy better players, elite players!! The players he brings in ain't good enough and Ange won't win a bean with them.
The problem with your fanbase is that you have delusions of grandeur
Elite players don’t grow on trees and are difficult to obtain and keep
You need to develop your our players too.
You defiantly have delusions of grandeur! Spurs do not have some sort of entitlement to sign the top players. I don't know if you have noticed but the player choses which club he signs for its not Spurs decision. Have you noticed top players sign for Real Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, ManCity, ManUtd......ect...etc.... grow up mate.
@@user-bh6fl4os8nHow is it delusions of grandeur. Man City and Chelsea were mid-table clubs until the last two decades. But they had the ambition and financial backing to get them in the position they were in. Our last two players we bought rejected Bayern Munich and Barcelona for Spurs. Do you think Conte and Jose were not aiming to challenge for trophies? No one says they are entitled to the best players. Clubs buy what they can afford. Real Madrid have the money to buy any player they want. Spurs have to be more sensible unfortunately. But its ridiculous to suggest Spurs as a club or fan base don't want to be up there with the best in the land and Europe.
As a spurs fan, 4th isn’t a trophy or a prize, it is only 4th.
What hes saying is 4th when your not progressing in the gamestyle is pointless
It isn't a prize. 4th Place is not a Trophy. If they replaced a champions league place for winning the FA Cup instead of 4th Place, football would be in a better place.
Why would it be? Who won the FA cup last year ? Who won it the year before etc who’s going to win it this year.
@@Youafool500 Aw bless you don't understand how football works and think "top 4" has always been a thing. Lol
That is the most sensible set of comments Jordan has ever made regards Spurs and Ange. And i absolutely agree.👍 The culture has been the number one problem with Spurs
100% Simon
People criticized spurs when we finished 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. 4th spot is a champions league qualification goal and that's it. CL football is a minimum requirement/expectation/goal for any big club.
Ange is 100% correct, and is clearly trying to change the status quo of top 4 being a successful season. I was always happy getting top 4 but always wanted more, and it always p*ssed me off that certain sections of the fans and possibly the management too always used to crow about it like it meant we were victorious or something. Champions league football is what I want at a minimum ffs. How could it possibly be a prize?
SJ will defend spurs like his life depends on it…loool
is he a Spurs supporter ?
@@cxv6367 friends with Levy
I think 4th is more critical to Villa. If there's one thing that seperates the two clubs this season it's that Villa's top performers are forever linked with big transfers away. That's not happening so much at Spurs, probably due to their stronger financial situation. If spurs don't get CL this season i still expect them to continue to build and go again next year. If Villa don't get it i expect some of their best players will go and it will be harder to go again.
Everytime people talk about 4th place being a prize I have Will Farrell's voice in my head from Semi-pro: With this gift, we will win fourth place! This isn't the Flint Michgan tropics, 4th place sucks and shouldn't be the goal.
Fourth is for losers, it means you just weren’t good enough to come first and win the title, O’ Neill is talking utter garbage!
Spurs can’t buy their way into the conversation for who will win the title like other clubs have done historically. FFP will prevent this ever happening again. But oligarch and state owned clubs have a massive investment head start on those clubs doing things sustainably like Spurs. They also have so few academy products making a significant impact in the first team. Massive development still needed although U18s and U21 teams look strong and competitive now for the first time in decades. The next 5 years look bright at Spurs. Trust the long game.
Everything Ange has said is 100% the right thing. Only thing is that the club needs that CL money. Every clubs needs that money
Time flies….believe!
Look at the young players coming through both from academy & shrewd buys like Berwick
Ange is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. O'Neil makes a good point but I'd like to see him say when he was a manager that he'd settle for 4th and leave it at that. Of course Ange will be privately happy / satisfied to be in Champions league football but professional sport is about winning not settling. Why try and change a winner as your manager. Its a dead rubber argument. Listen to the guy's words.
Martin oneill who famously claimed ireland would compete and qualify for tournaments, then the reporter said, why are you so sure and he answered “because i’m good”. 😂😂
He's right, there's no honours list of champions leagues qualifiers
Go on big ange, legend
Because of his “easy going” candour People don’t realise that Ange has an enormous ego. (Not to say that’s a bad thing in his profession). To him, the idea of being happy with 4th place is insulting. That’s why he reacted in that way. He wants to win the prem and the UCL, and he won’t be satisfied with anything less. I think it’s unlikely he will achieve that at spurs, but that is his aim.
I haven't heard the full interview but from that clip it sounds more like he is saying that his goal for the season isn't to get fourth, that he is not gonna celebrate getting fourth if the team hasn't progressed this season. First and foremost he want's to see progress and if that brings with it 4th place or 5th or whatever then that is irrelevant.
He doesn't sound like he is saying that 4th in it self isn't an achievement, because it is, but if the reason you get 4th has more to do with someone else slipping up rather then your team getting better then it's a false achievement in a sense.
I am getting "I am not a magician" like Conte.
He will realise he's managing Spurs.
He's saying that he's focusing on the teams overall performances rather than simply the short term outcome and believe's if they're good but they still finish 5th by a point, it wont hinder them in the long run
What Ange is saying he is not going to change to outcome base tactics to win football matches just to get 4th . In the long run Spurs will get nowhere . He wants to instill an attacking , pressing playing style that wins matches long term .
Newcastle are prime example of what Ange is talking about. Newcastle over achieved and secured CL football, so in Martin's eyes that was a great result for which Newcastle would kick on from. Fast forward to now and we have pundits calling for Howe's head on a stick as Newcastle struggle with the large number of games. Look there is no doubt in my mind Ange will be happy should Spurs finish fourth, but he doesn't want his players falling into the trap thinking they have achieved something, doing so would fall into the trap like Arsenal. To be honest I'd prefer Spurs not secure CL and instead qualify for the Europa League where they will have every chance of winning it. Being a weaker competition will give opportunity to share the load with second string players which still getting a result. Spurs don't want to end up like Newcastle or Man Utd were all the good work quickly becomes undone.
It’s a prize for Martin, not for Ange. Simple as that 😂
Well said Simon 👍🏼
Ange said nothing wrong. My manager.
Yea rubbish manager
Can't wait for the 'we want our Spurs back' stage of the Tottenham managerial cycle to start again. It may have last weekend...
@RD-zx6py nah, they are still on happy pills with Ange, reality hasn't set in yet🤣
@@N1NJAKIDD yea rubbish comment
@@RD-zx6py you have no idea what Spurs want
Of course Ange would be content with 4th this season but he ain’t saying it!
Ange is used to winning he will jump at the first chance to go to a better team than spurs.
Behave yourself
No-one wants that backward Aussie drongo. He's staying until he gets fired after being found out. He's not doing anything that tactically different from what Ian Holloway was doing years ago. His teams simply can't defend.
Nope, Ange will see the project through
@@twosheds2030 🤣😂
I thought spurs won the summer transfer window cup the other season according to Jamie ohara😂😂😂
Isn't what Spurs fans have been complaining about ? Spurs just happy to finish 4th ...
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I am a spurs fan and sorry Ange you are way off, of course you should have a target, it pays money to the club, champions league football can attract players, It will also will let players play against the best in Europe. I do NOT see 4th as a negative, also 4th place is worth £37.4m ! did we not pay around that for Van the man ?
Sometimes you have to think hard. What Ange wants is 116 charges later
Sometimes I think he is a breath of fresh air. I also think that it's accepted by the media that 4th is a prize and because it's the narrative everyone should think so. But I also think that Ange is deliberately obtuse. The kind of guy whom which if you pointed at the grass and said 'look it's green' he would find a way of disagreeing. I can't work out which he is.
Considering the person critisizing Ange i wouldnt read much into it lol
The harsh reality for Big Ange is this , our chairman is only interested in 4th place . No cups , no glory just 4th because that’s where the 💰💰💰 is ‼️
Ange would prefer to come 6th with a team that is building something special rather than 4th that might come 4th or 5th next year. If you don’t get the foundations right then what ever you put on top of it won’t last too long.
4th place is not a prize. Its only a prize for Levy and his cronies.
With the change of the champion league format , means more games. He is right.
Ange seems like he's just saying he doesn't care about 4th, if the team's not in a state and ready to the expectation he has for them to play (not achieve, but the way they play) then 4th is only going to get him champions league football. More games, with a squad who aren't in his eyes ready for that, so its not a positive thing in his eyes to get 4th when the team isn't ready.
At the moment Spurs might... might... get fourth not based on being a team playing consistent and well executed football but because others have dropped points to allow spurs if they do win to get the spot.
When we got to the final in 2019 we weren't even in the top 8 of clubs in the champions league yet by a lot of luck along the way we got to the final, you have got to be in it to win it. Ange is totally wrong on this issue. Some players we might want to sign won't sign for us becuase we can't offer them champions league football.
Understandable if this was the end of the season and they actually did finish 4th! Not after a 3-0 hiding off Fulham sitting in 5th
Got to disagree with O'Neil here even though I admire him as a manager and like him as a person.
I think ange means the end goal is not to finish 4th and hes right by saying getting 4th but not having a team that is progressing beyond that he doesn't want like Newcastle last year got 4th too soon but have dropped off again cause they werent ready or united last year team doesnt have a wat of playing amd right players cant sustain it this year , ange reminds me of klopp first full season was happy to get 4th cause he knew would get champions league amd better players and bigger budget next year to kick on
this is dinosaur thinking from the Pleistocene era missing the point. of course privately/innerly Postecoglou would take 4th. that's a table position, guaranteeing CL football, guaranteeing some financial progression at least for a season. it's not guaranteeing or ensuring the foundation for team progression. and that is his actual job, and the annual outcome of that in terms of table position/trophies won is an accruing outcome of the mindset you lead with in your club and its culture and cohesion every day. you lose sleep over your process, not your outcomes, when doing a big job like this. the outcomes are for people around you who need something to hang their hopes on. but they're not doing your job. actually Postecoglou is being honest and non-political, and not playing the mind games of hedging like the managers who have been hit one too many times. O'Neill's track record probably demonstrates why his thinking is different. when you stand up and do a big job, there is always RISK involved. Postecoglu is not running from that, not hiding behind table placement. he is putting them on the table - i intend to build a Premiership-winning team, and every season will be progress towards that. that's vision, not financial pragmatics and politics and job-keeping.
Ange, is absolutely right!👏🏻👏🏼
What trophy,do you receive when finishing 4th?
He wants higher....he wants first!
Good on him.
You don’t win a trophy finishing 4th.But you do attract better player's who want to compete in the champions league.
He doesn’t criticise him at all. Did anyone actually do more than read the video title?
Simon always finds ways to say something in paragraph that could be said in a sentence
The only thing 4th will do is line Levy's pockets.
Try telling Daniel Levy that 😂
4th is not a price yet you are still behind AstonVilla .. lol the stubbornness is out of this world. You can only say that when you lose 3-0 but second in the table, not when you are behind Ange
Arsene Wenger used to get pelters for seeing 4th as a trophy
Arsenal paid off their stadium with CL contributions....and kept the accounts in the black. Not an easy achievement with limited buying power.
Rightly so
Why is simon the only one getting this,hes there to wim trophys,what trophy do you get as 4th
Sam matterface makes jim white look like a right amateur. Top stuff
"This club has achieved things", Spurs fans have got him deluded too. 😂
Well obviously you don't know football history. You are probably a kid.
@@WilliamGarrow A majority of the last generation of people that witnessed Spurs develop to win a pl have probably decomposed in their graves right now, unless you're on mushrooms, you've not ever witnessed any Spurs revolution in your history. Even "Yankee football" teams will lift trophies at your own new stadium before you do, spurs are so pathetic.😂
@@MnyamwezMnyamwez-vx1wb Acting like you know my age or you know me personally. Spurs have won plenty of trophies in my lifetime. Thank you very much. You are probably the sort of person that says Liverpool have only one title.
@@WilliamGarrow You got to be over 70 years old to vividly remember Spurs winning the PL, your entire life span watching the trophy dodgers. What is more funny is that you are likely to be in the ground before you watch them win again. My ribs hurt every time I get to laugh at Spurs! Serial Trophy Dodgers! 😂
The man said 4th is not a prize… use your common sense the man is building a team for 1st place that’s all on his mind trophies..
"All on his mind are trophies" which will explain why he disrespected and very quickly exited his two most achievable trophies this season, he must be a genius of a manager
@@gbej1 Would winning one of those solve Spurs problems ?
Ange is clueless
He clearly has ambition but the prem league is not the Scottish prem with respect he’s a speaker a motivator but I’m concerned about late subs and a reluctance to change tactics but he needs time.
First season. With all the criticisms, still sitting 5th
When were they 2nd in recent times ?
They finished 2nd in the 2016/2017 season.
Simom backs Big Flange
It is the history of the Tottenham 😂😂😂
Funny though. When Arteta was talking about process and finishing outside the top four, he was ridiculed because it wasnt good enough.
Ange comes in and basically admits he isnt confident that his team will finish in the the top four and he's called a "winner" 😂
They've never forgiven Arteta for not getting the sack when all the donuts in the media were calling for his head early on.
Two things can be true at the same time. Goodness the quality of commentary is so bad these days.
Top 4 is a prize,not a trophy, but a prize. One can be happy to have secured 4th but also be unhappy that other objectives haven’t been reached.
It’s not a trophy but it’s disingenuous and just not true that he doesn’t care about 4th. He is doing what Mikel has been saying for ages, performances matter.
In Ange we trust
This is why o'neil was not a top manager
4th means nothing if you don't have the players to actually COMPETE in champions league, not just participate.
Seems Spurs have a problem getting themselves up for Fulham. it was the same in league cup!
As to Ange comments, I perfectly understand what he means, 4th is the 3rd looser, which ever way u spin it!
He’s doing what Bren Macullum is doing with England cricket team . Breeding a culture but knowing games will be lost whilst doing it .
Ange Talking like he’s won multiple trophies in England and like Tottenham have won Trophies. He’s starting to come across a little deluded and arrogant.
And oneill has done what exactly? Yep thought so.
I think you're wrong, Simon. You're just supporting him to invite more pressure onto himself. If he would've just went with the so-called project narrative, it would've been earlier to digest especially from when he comes short in the future. Oh, you know, this is a project and projects need patience and time. This was not our goal from the start of the season but it is what it is and now we're going to try to qualify for the champions league. We're building a team and for that we have to be patient.
4th isn't the destination he is aiming for.
Simple.