Could VAR be removed from the Premier League? | Kaveh Solhekol explains
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Wolves has decided to ask Premier League clubs to vote on whether VAR should be scrapped in the League, but why? Kaveh Solhekol explains
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VAR isn't the problem the problem are those guys working in that VAR room making decision 🤑💰
They are one in the same thing. Without them there is no VAR.
No, I disagree, VAR is killing the modern game. Makes it less entertaining.
That is VAR though.
Corrupt Webb and co
This is exactly what PGMOL wanted, theire decision on field cant be questioned. VAR works almost everywhere else.
VAR is like trains, work well in europe but for some reason in the UK its expensive and causes too many delays
I keep hearing "work well in Europe" and then I see fans in different European countries being similarly critical of it
@@Matthew-bu7fg work great in uefa competitions
@@Matthew-bu7fgand in the world cup, what VAR is being used wrong, iam still trying to figure out if it on purpose or not
@@Matthew-bu7fg Don't speak for us. In Serie A VAR gets decisions right almost every week and it is used very well
@@Matthew-bu7fg I think everyone at some point will be critical of VAR and its interpretations of the rules. thats a fair point. I stand by thetrains thing though
Can they not vote to scrap Howard Webb instead?
Howard "Big Mon" Webb put some respect
His appointment frankly summed it all up for me. Even if he was by far the best man for the job, he shouldn't have been given it due to the optics alone. It's like they wanted it to fail themselves.
You got someone better you want to put in?
@@jackson857 piss off Howard, you’re not fooling anybody…
Agree 100% get rid of him
NO WAY!!
Why ask the clubs. Rules have nothing to do with clubs. It's not VAR that's the problem, it's the REFEREES.
The officials are awful and needs an overhaul
The Premier league rules have everything to do with the Premier league clubs mate.
The Refs ARE Var. They are the same entitity. Var cannot run itself and those who run it cant so it all goes, and yes of course it's to do with the clubs since it's the clubs that get punished by it, that lose revenue and trophies by it.
VAR is part of the issue, it's run by referees. Too many clubs have suffered from VAR
Your mad get rid if var
You say it's not var that's the problem. But the problem is the enjoyment of a goal scored and having to think it could be overturned , is the moment football is ruined. Scrap it
The problem is not VAR, the problem is corrupt people using it.refrees should go to the screen and see incidents and make decisions not some one in his home making a decision.
Wanna go for a pint after the game mate , great game , we’ll played mate , I’ll buy the first round. Over 2.5 goals and 3 yellow cards ??
@@DavidLawlor-ci8wz Haha playing O/U and BTS is a new frustrating experience after VAR was introduced I can tell 😂
Ludicrous to suggest anyone is actually corrupt. The problem is VAR. We do not need it. It has ruined the greatest part of football: goals. Its use for offside is ridiculous as the technology is not good enough for clear decisions.
Every VAR advocate who drives is a hypocrite if they are into "a toenail or armpit" deeming that the team "scoring" should be penalized because "Rules Are Rules" because in that case EVERY time you do 31 in a 30 limit then you should be penalized as "Rules Are Rules!"..
@@wot4606 You're naive. Anytime there is gambling in sports- there is corruption in sports. You're not using your brain if you don't think officials are corrupt. Wake up to the real world buddy
FIX YOUR CORRUPT REFEREES !!!
In point❤
Too much money on the line my friend
i don't think they're corrupt. i think they're incompetent. and you'll always get a certain type of personality to want to be a ref. for instance mike dean. he's a little man who craves power. not all refs are that bad, michael oliver being another.
Very good point !
Never , money makes money.
Refs are inconsistent and always have been. What is a red card or penalty for a team one week, isn't a red card or penalty for another team the next. All VAR has done is magnify their incompetence and made me think the league is corrupt after all.
I remember when people would actually take note of WHO the referee was in a game because the referees WERE/ARE different. When people had the common sense of realising that you CANT expect 100% consistency between games and referees because of that fact.
The problem IS VAR not just the people running it. For the simple fact that VAR suggests that 100% consistency can be reached in a game where 90% of all calls fall under the category of "subjective calls," you know, all those calls that people disagree on on social media.
Referees the issue, not the tech lol
Honestly the game/sport has deteriorated so much in even 10 years. I don’t see myself watching football for much longer. VAR is one of the major reasons. Just isn’t the same.
Totally agree
The Championship is brilliant and I have followed my team since 1962. Even got a season ticket already for next season.
Every team can give examples but Millwall desperately needed a goal against Champions: Leicester and the scenes of unbridled joy were wonderful. Imagine amidst the euphoria,it being ruled out by 2 centimetres which is NOT a "Clear and Obvious Error"..
It's not VAR it's PGMOL. We want semi automated offsides as well
Yea finally someone gets it.web was a useless ref so how can he be trusted to be in charge of it
its VAR
semi automated offsides are coming next season
@@Micronisus semi automated offsides? What does that mean? It's either offside or it isn't. That's not a subjective decision.
@@SamFlintTFG it's a semi-automatic system designed to rapidly detect offside infractions during a game. It operates in conjunction with VAR, making them indispensable together. Semi-automated offside technology is confirmed for use next season, having been employed in UEFA tournaments for the past 2-3 years. This highlights the importance of VAR and its continued implementation in modern football
get VAR out that decision for a pen in Newcastle vs Man utd was disgraceful and just matches the point that VAR protects the big 6
Exactly, if there was ever a stone wall reason to get rid of VAR then take a look at the VAR error in this decision!
@@svenwt5342your right, I'd suggest getting in ex Pros within a year of retirement to help with these decisions, these people who are operating VAR never kicked a ball in their lifes
@@svenwt5342 tbh everyone in that VAR room need to be brung into court and tried cause that decision plus decisioms against Wolves, Coventry, Forest,Everton, Villa and even west ham need to be checked and those refs need to be checked for bribes
Utd aren't a top 6 club! 🤣😂
There's a difference between top 6 and big 6 mate @@jonallen-dt2ui
Fair enough to wolves for coming forward but 14 seems a lot to pass the proposal
I know it should be 11 shouldnt it???? Surely lol
So June 6 the clubs promoted from the Championship are officially PL clubs but some are not familiar with VAR so how can they vote on it?
@@ilovevegimite because they have eyes and can watch games out of their league and have an opinion on how it will effect them. Its like saying you cant have a view on ww2 because you wasn’t there
The sooner they get rid of it the better!
VAR is not the problem. Referees are.
They are the same thing. You cannot have one without the other.
@@TPCDAZThe technology is fine, but the people using it suck. Change the people. You are just excusing bad refereeing.
Low standards like yours are the reason referees have become so bad out of their complacency. Imagine being unable to learn how to use a new tool in your line of work after almost half a decade and customers just go "well, don't use it then" instead of calling out your lack of skills. Stupidity all around.
@@allgoesroundfully agreed.
No, the technology is being used in the wrong way. It needs to be simplified.
…another armchair fan speaks
Offside should not be a toe or an elbow. 1 foot between opposing players at least!
What if it is one foot and half inch?
Use automatic offsides technology like CL. Problem solved
Just have goal line tech, nothing else
the thing i dislike the most is offsides. if you score and your knee is offside then it should still be given as a goal. it’s like we’ve forgotten why the offside rule was introduced in the first place. give the advantage to the attackers to create a more entertaining game. if the players whole body is clearly offside then rule the goal out.
Why? If your knee is offside, then it's offside 🤣
Also when was the last time City had a VAR decision go against them 🤔🤔
Keep crying
@@russellward4624 just a question mate 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@russellward4624no seriously when I’ve never seen one
@@russellward4624the truth hurts. Corrupt as hell the premier league
Watch City vote to keep it, just watch
If VAR can’t provide 100 percent correct decisions, let’s keep the human errors
The problem with VAR will never be corrected because the decisions made outside of offside are based on opinion! Whatever they do to VAR will never change that. As a spectacle I think it’s destroying the game, goal celebration in particular is wiped out while VAR takes minutes checking every eventuality. Get rid of it and just keep goal line technology, which has nothing to do with VAR anyway.
Stop using it for offside decisions.
As it is now, it cannot stay...The offside lines are just horrible and checking the buildup play to a goal too...
Too many mistakes by VAR which is open to curruption plus it disrupts the game.with mathematical decisions.which take forever.
You can’t help but wonder if they are taking bids on decisions, I don’t think it’s happening but if there is a Netflix documentary in 5 years it won’t surprise me.
@@Ads78gunner14the problem is that too many decisions in football are 50/50 and can go either way. That's why var will never work. You're so much better off just going with the refs first decision.
@@DrBased123 I think we all thought when it first arrived it would be better than it has been. Part of me thinks refs have become a bit dependent and or lazy because of it. But in general I agree, let the ref referee the game, unless it’s glaringly obvious, like sending of the correct player for example 😂
they could've fixed VAR immediately by timing each VAR review at 30 seconds. If not obvious after 30 seconds then not a clear and obvious error therefore stick with on-field decision.
That would suit everyone.
that makes sense, the thing is the people paid millions can't think of something as simple as this.
It wouldn't work if you have old timers doesn't understand how to use technology. The people behind the scenes are inept at reviewing technology - we've seen the audio - they sound so dumb.
thats stupid🤣
Im not sure if that eould work. I think it would lead to.more incorrect calls because referees will rush to make a decision
@@Arsenal1508 they are protected way too much, players cant callout their mistakes or they get punished, they make an incorrect decision? they miss one game. when their performance has been subpar for the majority of the season, and all they get is a slap on their hands no wonder the start slacking
VAR is just the technology, the referees using it are the issue
is the technology even good? Sometimes the camera being used for an offside doesn't look as though it is level with play which therefore means we are judging an offside from an angle. They also use slow motion replays for fouls, everything looks worse in slow motion. The technology itself isn't useful.
@@Matthew-bu7fg That's why there are semi automated offsides, a shame the prem haven't caught up & started to use them
@@Matthew-bu7fg what stops them from using the offsides technology that the rest of Europe & FIFA have been using for over a year? Foolishness, pride and strong headedness.
Semi automated offside should be compulsory.
Keep VAR, throw Webb
agree 100%
Kaveh is good at expressing near full context , could say more but he's on form here
No he doesn't. He waffles a lot. Takes forever to make a point that can be said in 2 minutes
@abstraqtphilosophy7357 yh that's kind of his job , if you listen to the "waffling" you'll learn most points on any topic he speaks on .
VAR is not the problem. Problem is the PGMOL and their incompetent refs. they are just trying to make VAR escape goat. PGMOL needs to be scraped.
❤
Howard corrupt Webb and his Clingons
I, personally, LOVE the flow, momentum, and continuity of the game being constantly interrupted along with the 10 Subs and Injuries. Who wouldn't? Some "old timers" moan about Forensic Football but it is ALWAYS right....isn't it (My guesstimate is that there are a similar number of errors as in Pre Var). Some jokers even bemoan they can't NATURALLY celebrate, INSTANTEOUSLY. Yes,I see Fans, Players, and Managers play down their joy because it is worse being given something than having it taken away. I know attackers no longer have the "Benefit Of The Doubt".A"Secondary" Celebration minutes later "after the moment has gone" off a BIG BROTHER Screen? It's PROGRESS, innit! Innit?
@@Isleofskye i understand your point. however, until unless you are fixing the root of the problem which is obvious the INCOMPETENT PGMOL, you are not going anywhere. don't just blame the VAR. this review system is implemented in all kinds of sports to increase the integrity. but in England, FA and PGMOL are just trying to find an escape goat to cover up their INCOMPETENCE. no wonder why no ENGLISH refs are operating at the highest level of games.
Agree completely, also just to be that guy, it’s Scapegoat not escape goat
Clubs should pole their season ticket holders and vote accordingly. It won't happen but....
Great idea. But no chance!!!
Absolutely hate VAR!! for the fans who actually go, it ruins the spontaneity of the game, the ridiculous small margins used are against the spirit of the game. It has no way improved any game I have watched.. Anything that leads to the game being stopped & started to analyse off sides, goals, hand balls etc will not improve the flow & excitement of a match..
We don't need 100% perfection, the games got far too complicated for officials, VAR is all still about interpretation, so still week in week out all that we talk about is VAR..
Watching championship football this year has been a pleasure, some decisions went against my team, some went for them. Guess what, the fans got over it..
Slowly, season by season, I dislike the game I've loved all my life..
Hit the nail on the head there. Agree 100%
Agreed. VAR is the worst thing to ever happen to football.
So how it's implemented needs improved then? Surely you'd agree with that? Because football fans are quick to say VAR is the problem, but then equally abuse the officials to high heaven for getting a decision wrong before VAR. Damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to football.
Come on - do a fan poll! I’d bet it would be a comfortable win for scrap it!
The problem is not the system but the personnel. Refs are either incompetent or corrupt
Honestly unless they improve the system it has to go. It feels more like match fixing with var.
The newcastle goal against arsenal.
Liverpool omg var messed up their advantage lead.
Its match fixing.
nothing wrong with the newcastle goal against arsenal. keep crying.
Look at Chelsea vs Britton Jackson goal
I would love to see it scrapped. It's ruined the whole experience of seeing your team score a goal which is the best part of the game. It has muted celebrations and wastes so much time waiting for things to get forensically checked.
If VAR was able to provide 100% correct decisions, delivered in a matter of seconds, then it would be OK. But waiting 5 minutes to check if the strikers big toe was in a more advanced position that the defenders shoulder, to the nearest micro millimeter, is just killing the game for me.
I can excuse errors by linesmen and referees made in real-time. Yes it's annoying, but not more annoying that VAR holding up the game for ages, only to go and shaft you with a dodgy decision anyway!
PGMOL listen up 👇
Semi-automated offsides ✅
Goalframe immediately lights up RED or GREEN after a goal is scored to indicate if it was offside or not (using the same automated system) ✅
VAR: only the onfield referee makes a decision and is therefore immediately sent to the monitor if there's any doubt ✅
Monitor: Still images and slow-motion replays ❌
Goal line technology ✅
This way fans can celebrate the majority of goals immediately like the good old days, and any bad mistakes by refs can be rightfully overturned. Simples 🤷♂️
Rid of VAR please. Would love to know how they arrive at their stats
What are the so-called stats ,Ian,please?
Just the speed, implementation & competence in the decision making process needs to improve...
I think the FA should watch Anthony Gordons interview ... "Get rid of it, or get better". Pick one.
Get rid of it. It’s destroying excitement and atmosphere in stadiums.
Thank you
I think the biggest issue with VAR is the 'clear and obvious'. Just get the correct decision. Something could be a right or wrong decision. But then you're leaving it up to the VAR ref' whether that is obvious or not, which is a subjective decision.
The refree is nolonger the final person, he should go to the screen and see incidents and make a final decision.
If VAR stays, it should be for CLEAR errors and off the ball incidents only. Like if someone is a bit offside then let it be. If someone makes a bad tackle and the ref gives a yellow, let it be. If someone punches a player off the ball and its missed, look at it.
Why not just tone it down rather than scrap it. Instead of video referees deciding, how about each team gets 2 or 3 challenges per game where they can make a referee go to the screen to review the decision? As for offsides, if it's not obvious from a replay then the on-field decision should stand. Forget drawing lines to make someone 1cm offside
brilliant
PREACH!!! absolutely agree!
'If its not obvious from a replay' LOL Can people not realize there isn't any room for subjectivity in objective facts. Its either offside or isn't. There is no such thing as 'Obvious offside' and 'Non-obvious offside'. The automated offside in UCL works perfectly and should be in the Prem as well. Its fast and works 99.99% of the time. Unlike these knobhead biased referees drawing lines themselves.
give them ONE challenge each... don't want speculative challenges. But otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree.
2-3 challenges lol…it’s not cricket it’s a fast sport. Giving teams to pick and choose challenges is ludicrous idea and will slow game down even more as teams contemplate whether ton challenge or not!
Very interesting development and an important one i feel that there are to many flaws in VAR at present BUT i think it should be partly used drawing the line for offside is pretty good but even that needs a firm guideline it is a sucess in tennis and i think given 100% sound guidelines that would be an improvement.
The big thing that I have noticed with VAR, I remember watching football a goal goes in a quick couple of angles on a replay then its back to the centre circle for a kick off.
I can not remember for the life of me seeing a kick off in recent years that was not the start of the first half and start of the second.
There is VAR nonsense going on replay and after replay then a conversation. When we cut back to the match the ball is down a wing somewhere with a team on the attack.
Perhaps I'm over analysing that but it is something I've noticed.
VAR in general slows the game down and spoils the atmosphere, I watched a game recently with my 7 year old and our team scored and he threw his hands it the air and screamed and I instantly said "wait" and I remember thinking to myself afterwards how disgusted I felt for dampening that enthusiasm that I knew I grew up with as a kid.
The blame for that falls solely at the feet of a badly run and organised Video referee system.
Apologies for the life story just wanted to share
The only time var should be used.....if the referee asks for it...not sure if was a pen the ref asks for a replay....the linesmans not sure if offside they ask for a replay, var should not be able to stop the game, var should not be able to overturn anything! Just there to assist the referee if they ask for it!
hmm i dunno. I think itl get better in time. Offside issues for me and hand ball claims are usually well dealt with and correct. But there have been some clangers. Im still a little on the fence.
How about the VAR room isn't full of refs that know each other?? It's almost like other sports have this review room completely separate from the refs and is it's own entity so no need to feel bad about overruling your mate. What a crazy idea.
Semi-auto offside technology
Goal-line technology
And while we're at it mic up the refs like rugby.
Bang, done, simple.
SCRAP VAR.
Change the offside law so that the sole focus is only the feet/foot of the attacking player,all other parts of the body are exempt from the new rule, this rules simplifies the offside rule making the law easier to implement and enforce.
Worrying as an Aston Villa fan with our high line and offside trap, how many goals would have been incorrectly given against us this season without VAR. I'd like to keep it for that reason alone.
They're bringing in semi-automated offsides now
The general idea of VAR is great, for offsides etc it works, the biggest issue in my opinion is every goal build up being scrutinised back to the start of the phase of play.
Why not run VAR like the NFL reviews replays? There are almost never any issues, the ref always makes the final say on any major decision while reviewing the play on the field. Plus, those reviewing the games are always the same, that way the consistency is there week in and week out. This is really not a difficult thing to do.
This. but give each manager just one challenge. I don't want speculative reviews.
Hell no, this isn’t basket ball or American football we don’t need all this extra stuff. No var just goal line tech and semi auto offsides. The sport was a lot more fun when we could celebrate goals when they went in.
Most major sports employ a form of video replays. You don't hear any major scandals. Why is it that football has a problem with it?
the money is bigger.
In my opinion, the VAR system just needs better camera angles, it's also those who operate it and Officals take too long to make decisions and when they do, they make the wrong calls.
This was inevitable, VAR's performance has been appauling this season - something has to be done before the new season
you can't have a system that needs continued improvement...it's not fit for purpose..and take michael oliver,anthony taylor and paul tierney with it...
Don’t leave Howard Webb 😂😂
They should limit it to goals and offside. The inconsistencies is too much. A ref looking at the ball, makes a decision then he is called over, looks at a reply then changes his mind. 100% of the time once the ref is called over he aligns with the VAR opinion.
The technology is not the problem, anyone with eyes can see the real problem
VAR should stay but change the officials...those officials behind VAR are completely biased...they should atleast use officials from abroad
There are a lot of controversies in other countries too...
@@IR17171717 I know but the officials from abroad might not be biased
@@nazziwawinnie7782 the ones from here aren't biased, at least not in the sense that they are paid.
The decisions need to be made quicker. I think the automation and use of computer resource will aid this.
I also think we will look back at this (and previous seasons) with VAR as a necessary stepping stone at improving the game in the long run
My view is that after a VAR decision is made, the ref (who should be miked up) should explain the his decision and that of the VAR panel to the crowd, a bit like they do in American Eggball. Having to publicly explain their decisions might make them more careful about ballsing things up as much as they do
Scrap it. Mistakes are going to happen either way. Bring back the flow and excitement of the game, and being able to celebrate goals. I hate the delays.
My take is a bit different. I think Var should stay but the ref on the pitch should be empowered to have the final say no matter what.
Keep VAR, Keep the game clean, and reduce the mistakes in the match.
Hope so
If not scrapped it needs some major changes. One obvious one for me is that if the game has been paused for a VAR review, the ref IMMEDIATELY goes to the screen to see everything and be in on the discussion.
An example of this is the non penalty at Anfield against City. From what we heard, VAR did not describe the potential foul properly to the Ref. If the ref had SEEN that challenge, I believe he would have given a penalty, because it was something he could not see on field. The VAR should NOT be giving opinions to him. It should be presenting facts and images to back that up so that the ref can decide if he needs to adjust his decision. Even if he does not, at least then you know it is him who has made the decision.
Var needs to stay you cant take technology out of football this will cause huge issues in the Premier league if it goes
VAR should be used regardless of red or yellow.
change rule so that REF ALWAYS also onside TO SCREEN TO MAKE DECSION
make it more consistent.
Nottingham Forest lit the fuse, good to see Wolves following on from our statement.
Please get rid it killing our game
You can divide the fans into the ones who watch on TV and at the stadiums.
The ones in the stadium hates VAR more.
As Klopp said it's the officials.
Can we not import some in from other leagues??
VAR should be outsourced!! This season had shown the ineptitude of the UK officials!!😂
Some of the reasons against VAR seems to be the same reasons why to have VAR and to continue to perfect it's application, the rest seems like your standard reaction to change, creates discomfort and unfamiliarity hence resistance
Why are so many supporters more interested in the result than the game now ?
it should be there only for offside offense
Yes . Pleaee please do
My opinion is stop VAR and the extension of extra time.3 to 4 mins is considerable good and chances for small team to win.
The use was sold to us to stop diving and offside ,,,,but every goal is getting forensically analysised to disallow the goal ,,,,to many mistakes every wk a different scenario,,,get rid of it
just have VAR review all the possible error on the field and override it if needed, how hard can that be? Is it that difficult to do?
I really hope the Premier league gets rid of VAR
Use technology on offsides and the lines only, to determine whether it's goal, foul in box, ball in or out of play.
The ref was always a part of game......not so now it will end up a computer.
They should try to get premium refs from other leagues
Make it happen!!!
Referees and VAR make mistakes that cost clubs, sell games apologize and move on like nothing happened.
This must come to an end.
its like saying since Security cameras cannot prevent all crime, lets scrap it completely. What could possibly go wrong?
As a Nottingham Forest fan, it’s not helped us, be glad to see the back of it.
Scrap this var thing out man simple , how Dias goal against Spurs be disallowed?, how Dokus high boot on Mcalester not be a faul hence a penalty? Its ridiculous thinking how stupid this thing has costed teams a chances of winning the game.
Watched old firm game last weekend, they have var but the whole thing was so much better managed
But .. the instant impulsive reactions that elevated the game above all others is being destroyed
I watch so many games and have lost that celebration mode
Watch the old games shown from the old Big Match on I think itv4 ? Much better flow
My opinion is, it has helped make some good decisions, and some bad ones. It should just be consistent
Before VAR was in use the calls for it's implementation were always after really obvious things like Henry's handball for France v Ireland.
We need to keep VAR for clear and obvious errors, but the definition of clear and obvious needs to be exactly that. If the VAR cannot overturn a decision having watched 1 or 2 replays in 30 seconds then just stick with the onfield decision.
VAR should be useful 2 or 3 times a season not 2 or 3 times a game.
VAR is like any tool-it's meant to be used correctly by those who understand it. When someone doesn't know how to use a tool properly, it's not the tool's fault. Other European leagues might not be as vocal about VAR because they might have found a better balance in its application or have different views on its effectiveness. The key is ensuring VAR is used appropriately by knowledgeable officials
the problem isnt the VA but the R lmao,
VAR is good, but every year, some problems come up with it. The system needs better camera angles and then fan's need to hear what they are talking about the ref's need to be held accountable for there bad decisions
I think each team should get 1 VAR challenge per game kind of like they do in tennis.
The mistakes by VAR is worse now than before VAR. It is one thing for a one human to make a quick on the spot decision based on what he saw or thought he saw. He had no state of the art technology, no way to stop the match and perform a lengthy review of the events. Rewinding and slowing the action from every angle. As such a decision is made, good or bad and the game naturally carry’s on. The officials were given the benefit of the doubt and fans would debate it for years to come over a pint.
Why not use the NBA Coach's challenge system.