School Caretaker Turned Killer | The Soham Murders (Holly & Jessica) - Ian Huntley | ICMAP | S1 EP3
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2020
- This week in ICMAP Episode 3, Tom and Ben go back 18 years and visit their homeland of Cambridgeshire in order to explore one of the most prominent cases of their childhood (and the Cambridgeshire region itself) has ever seen: Ian Huntley and the Case of Holly & Jessica…
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Mixed by Dan Lambert at Boston Sound | @bstnsnd
Artwork & animation by Phil Whitton | @philwhitz
Opening theme by Alfie Indra | @alfieindra
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Thank you so much for your continued support. This case was always going to be a tricky one for us to cover. How do you think Huntley evaded detection for almost two weeks, right under everybody’s nose?
I'm guessing this was before it became such widespread knowledge that killers like to insert themselves into the crime, so he seemed like a helpful guy 🤷 If this happened today he would instantly be a suspect. Also, it's mad to think this was 18 years ago!
Bit of extra info for ya, you can do with it what you want but my mum insists this is true!!
When this was first on the news my mum was sat in bed and sore this, as it was playing on the TV my mum fell almost into a day dream, she could see a track and and glow on the left hand side of the track, she could hear a voice what sounded like it was saying merry hill, it ended up being mildenhall, she could then hear a voice saying we're here, she rang the police and told them but they ignored her, 3 days later the bodies of the girls were found, exactly where she had told the police to look, by a dog walker.
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The fact she said I’ll keep the letter forever during the “WAS” interview was a big giveaway that she knew they were already gone.
Also he claimed "he was the last person to see them alive" slip of the tongue? because technically their murderer was the last person to see them alive
ABSOLUTELY Jay! And Philip. J I remember watching that live at that specific time and as soon as she said it I know she was part of it, and going by Ian Huntley's previous body language that he had to be the biggest part of it, and the fact that the girls had gone, meant it must've been murder.
One of the scariest and most horrifying things about this case is that the last thing one of the girls (both just 10 years of age) would have ever seen is Huntley murder her friend before he then murdered her.
Watching this 8 months later still in lockdown, wasn’t quite over yet I’d say lads 😂😂👌
It will never be over
@@cromwellg60 we aren’t in lockdown anymore lol 😂
@@HotChoccyWoccyYT are you serious?...
@@jellyfishtrifle7883 it's gonna come back come Autumn... If we even get that long out of lockdown.
Myra Hindley as a dinner lady literally made me laugh out loud , a nice light moment in such a sad story , you guys are great . (i agree with Ben by the way , very scary dinner lady)
Great ep lads!
Cheers boys! Your new Ep is pretty dang good also... *modest*
Kept thinking you are that one from soccer am
I was 7 when this happened and I remember my mum suddenly becoming stricter regarding playing out with friends. The image of the 2 girls in their man united shirts is burned in my mind. I’m now a youth worker and their deaths are now used in Safeguarding training as case reviews. Absolutely crazy.
I was 7 too anyway 27 my recent age.
But i read danielle van dam
Huntley footage, where he’s talking to the press is haunting in retrospect.
i remember watching his interview before we knew he done it
Oddly enough, I was also in Florida when this case hit the news in the UK. The hotel my family was staying in had a small selection of British newspapers and they'd immediately get snapped up every day by other British guests, such was the interest in the case back home.
I like that you guys cover lots of UK cases, as these often get overlooked by other more America-centric crime podcasts. I'd be interested in an episode on the Christopher Halliwell case as it happened in my hometown and there's been speculation that he had more victims that have never been uncovered. Keep up the great work!
Since I live in Serbia, I wasn't aware of this crime before listening to you 2 talk about. Really enjoyed it, keep it up lads!
Thank you so much for tuning in! Love that we have a viewer in Serbia 🇷🇸
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast Slovenia to ! This pod is gonna blow up.
Love hearing about interesting crimes not in the US because, so many have been covered before. Thank you!
Thanks Roxie! Glad you enjoyed
I remember this so well. When I visit a relative in a village near Soham, and whenever we go through Soham, I’ll always pause what I am listening to and think of Holly and Jessica and their families. Thank you for covering this, it’s nice to get it from different perspectives.
Can I say as a resident of Immingham the pronunciation of ‘immingham’ was brill, not to mention the accents of Ian and Maxine 🤣🤣 spot on
I'm around a similar age as Holly and Jessica and live in Cambridgeshire and remember this being all over the news and before Huntley was caught my mum said she had bad vibes from him whenever he was interviewed by the news. After this my mum would only let me go to the shop with my older siblings or her/my dad.
He was only interviewed once by the news...
I was about 5-6 when this happened and I still remember that interview he gave to the press clear as day because I got a weird vibe off it and telling my mum he was weird and something wasn’t right.
Great episode, I was 12 when this happened too and remember my parents changing the whole playing out rules because of this. Its almost unbelievable to think we ever had so much free reign now thinking back especially without mobiles! Started the ep on Spotify during a feed and ended on here when baby went to bed, love that you've got purely audio too it's so convenient. Another great delivery and research :)
Karen Matthews does not live by the sea, she lives in the same town as me and I have had the displeasure of bumping into her a few times.
I love the extra research you guys put into these cases with all the background info and also the range of different cases you cover. I thought that my crime documentary obsession was bad but now I've found another channel to add to the list! Thanks for the effort you put in.
Thank you so much, FD!
So happy to hear what’s happened to Ian Huntley in prison ♥️🇦🇺💋
Just came across your pod casts and really enjoying them
I did laugh to myself at the start though at how excited you were to be coming out of lockdown, pubs opening and normality returning. I looked at the recoding date and thought - you have no idea 😂
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Just a couple of hopeful idiots 😂. Thanks for your support mate!
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast no worries, shared the channel with some friends too
Can't wait to watch it! I appreciate the amount of research that goes into these episodes.
Cheers Courtney, I hope it is worth the wait!
Smashed it for the third week running 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 cheers boys!
Nice one Robson!
12:02 the moment ive been waiting for all week, the sea animal comparison
Might be a bit late to the party but I’ve watched a few of these ICMAP videos now, absolutely top quality viewing
I watch/listen to various Podcasts but yours is by far the best! ❤👌👍
I love the compassion that u show in every video & I love the banter between you two! ❤
Keep up the great work guys! You're doing a marvellous job! 👏
Goodness I remember when this happened. Absolutely tragic. Thank you for covering it!
He was becoming dangerous and unhinged as a 10 year old with an unhealthy interest in little girls and attempts to rape.he slipped through the gratings of the local police force when he moved to Soham.those two girls walked into a trap.he tried to cover up his crimes by burning their bodies and leaving them in a deep ditch. He should have been sent to a secure unit and castrated to stop his offending.
Hi guys. I'm coming to this late after binge watching your channel at the weekend during a 36 hour hospital stay. Loving your content. Your humour is never gratuitously cruel or derisory and works with your respectfully researched & well delivered material. You're brave because this case is repugnant & I remember noticing Beckham shirts for months after it happened. Ordinary, carefree circumstances for these 2 innocents that caused them to collide headlong into a pair of the planet's most reprehensibly evil people. And yes, that's both of those dark characters. Maxine couldn't possibly have been as blind to the truth as she postures. Slam me down if this is harsh but the fact they DIDN'T discuss this whilst under surveillance in the hotel room says it all. At the very least she'd be asking Hammerhead to wrack his brains to remember anything from the chance doorstep encounter he claimed to have had with them. FFS?! Wouldn't she be asking exactly what they had said about her? It makes no sense. The silence shows they both agreed to keep quiet in the interests of the other. If I'm coming home in the wake of my partner committing a double child murder in a tiny house, I'm confident something's going to feel just a tad off kilter!!!!! As for the police not checking the shed sooner (breaking door in perhaps?) I reckon they thought it inconceivable that a killer could be that stupid. His own workplace shed? Seriously?! And a tenner to the local garage to keep schtum?! 5 days of jury deliberation.......was this jury sitting in on the wrong trial? The whole thing would be laughable if it were not so horribly real. I'm subscribed & will share. You guys should have way more subs. It's brilliant.
This was the case my mum would always warn me about before going out with my mates as a kid. Buzzing for this!
This case did seem to strike fear in parents all over the country for sure.
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast same as the James Bulger case
This is a great channel, lads, keep up the good work.
I remember this case being huge when i was a kid
I was on my way to a holiday in Norfolk when we hit traffic pretty badly. Right around RAF Lakenheath. It wasn't until we heard news reports that the girl's bodies had been found that we realised why there'd been so much traffic - police had the area cordoned off. It was the height of Summer & like many murders of its kind, felt all the more horrific that something so terrible should happen at a time of year that they would otherwise had been playing out, carefree. It about the only thing I recall from that holiday now, looking back.
I heard it was Blackpool where she was..its absolutely disgusting that they r looked after and given new identities.
Should have looked in the shed as soon as he came forward as seeing them. Hey Ian, you saw them last. Let's have a look around and cross you off the list.
Shed that's a frickin house
I remember this case so clearly. I was about 9 at the time. I remember how our parents' grip tightened around us for that year, and how they kept a very close eye on all of us for a long time.
I'm a lurker on Patreon, but was wondering if you've heard about the case of Luke Walmsley? He was murdered in around 2002/2003 time by a fellow student at his school. I was best friends with the killer's cousin growing up (though never met the killer), and went to school with the victim's sister at the same time, and feel like it would be an interesting minisode case.
Anyway, loving your stuff, keep it going!
Another amazing episode! This trend of sea life nicknames has got to continue, I can’t believe how much fish talk there is in these episodes 🐟🤣
I remember this like it was yesterday. I was 8 and it was the first time I was old enough to truly understand how serious something like this was.
I remember kids at my school stopped being Man U fans as they thought it might get them kidnapped. Truly scary time.
Great video again guys and it was nice to hear it from two guys who were around the same age at the time. Shone another light on the case as it were.
Though I have to say, your choices in football teams is shocking....
First time watching the video podcast, I've been an audio listener for so long, and the actual shock hearing them talk when I had assumed their voices were the other way around
So excited for this!
Theres a recent murder you guys may want to cover. It was a guy called Tom whos killin it in my aunts silk night gown
I am taking this as nothing but a compliment
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast As you should, aunties got taste! Loving the podcast. Wishing you guys the best!
😂😂😂
What a vile individual, seriously the death penalty isn’t good enough for this monster, apparently he’s been attacked quite a lot in jail, let’s hope that continues, R,I,P Jessica and Holly
Every time I see that man united shirt this was always what I’d think of
Same! 🙁
Mainly when a little girl wears one
Okay I just got this notification and I am far too excited to catch up after my driving lesson. Beep beep!
Gentlemen, love your podcasts. Karen Matthews is in Reading Berkshire. All the best fellas!
Funny you made a Crocodile Dundee reference with the shed because I have a shed not much smaller than that on my property here in Oz. Also worked "out Woop Woop" and that is easy a rural shed size Down Under. This is an awful story - I changed my mind about Maxine many times over the years - the past tense could have been because she wasn't going to be working there any more BUT she continued to support him and that finished it for me because she kept protecting him too long.
Really enjoying the podcasts lads, I think this could become very popular especially after mentioned on the happy hour podcast. Really well researched. The Raoul Moat shooting would be a fantastic podcast!
Thanks Steven! Great to have you on board. He is definitely someone on our radar for a future episode. Keep your eyes peeled!
Ben, I have accidentally gathered supportive evidence for your theory that Myra Hindley does indeed look genuinely scary, regardless of the connotations of knowing her as a child murderer. I was watching your Ian Huntley podcast last night and had paused it to go to sleep. In the morning my little 4 year old girl picked up my iPad which had paused randomly on the picture of Myra Hindley and said “mummy, who is that? She looks really scary!” And I can assure you that she has NO prior knowledge of her misdeeds whatsoever and long may it remain so! Great work, really enjoying your podcasts guys 🙂
THANK YOU, AMY! I went block capitals on that one. I also stumbled across my parent’s Murder Casefiles when I was very young (young enough to not know what Murder Casefiles were) and she just terrified me. Never one to judge on face value, but there is just something about that photo that terrifies me!
Estate agents should tell any new tenants or owners about crimes that would have taken place at the property but I'm not sure it's a standard. I think they need to in the US though.
Why should they tell? Seems irrelevant. If someone was raped in a house you are buying 60 years ago, then drug dealing 15 years ago, domestic violence 5 years ago, what a weird and odd thing to list out to someone. Also it would be incredibly hard to do, only high profile media cases do addresses get released. should estate agents have access to police data bases to note down every crime in every property?
Every house in the US probably has been the scene of a crime!
Great video guys, keep up the good work!
Another great podcast can't wait for the next one
Amazing content guys!
I think that maybe they took to much time to search the "shed". But i understand the jury taking 5 days to get to a conclusion, if you are responsable for deciding if a persons is going to spend the rest of their life in prison, you wanna make sure, and be certain you wont regret it. Love the podcast! Cheers from Argentina
Nice one Pedro! The biggest shed in history
This has to be one of the most underrated podcasts around, enjoyed every episode so far, keep doing what your doing!
Thank you mate! Appreciate that
UTV! (Ben)
@@ICouldMurderAPodcast hahah yes lad
Hard to stop watching it all. Loved the podcast, and I love the big cat shirt 🐅🐅
would love to see a john wayne gacy episode, loving it tho lads keep it up x
Binge watching your podcasts , 19th July 2021 still in lockdown until tomorrow officially everything opens !!! Until it all goes tits up again and we end up in another lockdown by Autumn . Great podcasts guys , keep up the great work 👍
another great one
Great work gentlemen 👍🏽
i live near where the Kayley Haywood murder happened was in sixth form and it wasn't nice so can relate to what you are saying, we were the first school who saw the video the police made
So sorry to hear that. It’s all the more eerie when it’s close to home and you’re a similar age to the victim/s at the time.
Keep it up boys!
I’m jumping in mid video again, but one of the police officers involved in the investigation has recently (past few years) was found to have CP and was sentenced.
Jumping in again - Royston girl, the Royston house has been padlocked since the murder happened but it reported worth a million or so. Not sure who now has the house as she didn’t have any children. (The guy has now been charged with his first wife’s murder in Bassingborun)
The Cesspit murder... My mum has requested we cover this case a few times!
I live in North Wales in a sea side town😱, never knew about this case.
Love the podcast.
I am sure it isn't your town.... maybe?
Oh my life, the shark bit. Look at it's mouth. Circling the dancefloor. Hahahaha. Pissing myself. God I'm sophisticated.
I was brought up in Cambridge as well , it was really sad 😥
I now have lived in Gloucestershire for the last 10 years everyone round here knows of fred and Rose West or has a story about them , you should do a pod cast about them they are brutal sociopaths!
Thanks Aymee. We will definitely cover Fred & Rose eventually!
Great episode
Thank you!
I would have been 12 too at the time. I remember this case very clearly and how gripped everyone was by it. I'm from Ireland too and even over here it was the top news story for a while. Hard to believe it was nearly 20 years ago now :(
Brilliant guys I’ve just subscribed liked and shared 💖
Thank you so much. Welcome!
I’m from Ipswich where Steve Wright aka the Suffolk Strangler killed some sex workers my family were friends with one of the victims fathers, he’s doing better now.
Only just learnt that one of my dads friends was the first copper on the scene in this case.
You never know how many connections you might have to awful crimes
Great dj though
Really enjoying you PC boys! My age.... make me feel old AF
Haha! Thank you so much! Are you as old as us then!?
I’d recommend The Toolbox Killers if you’re looking for content
Just found you're channel love it
This is really good! Well, a really good video, not really good subject matter... I was 12 when this happened, Iived in Norwich but I was on holiday too. I remember it so vividly.
Anyway what I really wanted to say, is that you guys brought back a really traumatic memory for me, with the whole Motorola brick thing... Me and Edward Bacon, my school crush (obsession) were the first people to get mobile phones, we were quite competitive... When non uniform day came around, we would compare CDs (Eminem) trainers (vans) who was more grunge (me, obvs.) Etc... But he didn't find me attractive. He called me freckle-faced poodle... We laugh about it now, over Facebook... Ha.. 😳 ANYWAY.. late one Friday evening, I got a text message from Edward. It said "I love you, Nadia" I was stunned... He must have been hiding his true feelings, I thought... On some level I'd always known this was probably the case. But to actually see those words, and not just "Luv" but "love" and not "u", but "You"! It was so intense. Then 20 minutes later I got this: "HAHAHAHA this is ED's DAD!!!! Loser!" I literally cried... I haven't thought about that in a long time... Thanks guys.
Tom & Ben great again 🇨🇮🤗
Just rewatching during a period of not wellness (actual term). My mum and dad lived in Brandon at the time, and their garden backed on to Lakenheath, pretty much where the girls were found. Poor babies.
Hooked on this podcast now 😂
Keenan and Kel.....Ahhhhh here it goes!!!
I've binged all over the place lads it's every where dudes murder binge goodness hmmmmm binge
Love these! Can you do the Watts family murders from 2018?
That case will definitely be covered one day! There’s a lot of other takes on it at the moment, including the king - Jim Can’t Swim
Looking forward to your next three! Also, to be fair I'd be interested in any cases you do, so I don't have any specific requests. I did miss the little story bit at the beginning setting the scene though, but I'm guessing it either takes a lot longer to edit, or the case was more sensitive (children) so you didn't want to do it on this one (or both)
The next epsiode is back to this format. We also really like having that part involved 😊
Well podcasted .xx
I agree about the shed I don’t think it mattered about when they asked for the key they had suspicions against Huntley, they searched their house why not search the shed at the same early stage. Going back to the key did the school not have a key for the shed and did they really need a key of course they didn’t. They missed an opportunity to establish major evidence much earlier on in the investigation!
Lads wonderful podcast and well detailed, congratulations. You were asking about house prices after a murder. The Watts house in Frederick Colorado has almost doubled in price since the horrific murders but it has become an attraction for all types who are constantly visiting it . It would make a great podcast lads . Their s no way this guy did this on his own and the entire case is online from him returning to the house to his confession. Its become the most infamous case in the US . Good luck guys . Pat 🇮🇪
Thank you so much. We would love to cover the Watts case eventually!
Wouldn't surprise me if the house where they lived in Immingham is still there - north east lincs council wouldn't dare knock a house down!
You'll be glad to know it was bulldozed
A friend of mine said she use to live next door to them when she was. Kid..they gave her an old rat cage. The friend could be talking crap mind but makes my blood run cold.
Good coverage guys
Just to add to your concerns regarding the length of time it took police to search the "Shed".
Police need to have reasonable grounds to enter a property. If they do not have the owners permission then they would have to apply for a warrant to enter. This can take some time. The only ways they could enter without a warrant is if they are confidant that there is evidence is in there, or if someone is in immediate harm. I'm assuming, they didn't have enough evidence to enter without a warrant. That may have been the delay.
This is just speculation, I can not confirm for sure. But may have been a reason.
Like yourselves, this is one of the most memorable stories I can remember as a child. Still devastating to this day.
This is the crazy thing - they had warrants to search the entire school grounds (including Huntley’s caretaker house) and they failed to search the “shed” on multiple occasions. The shed was on grounds they had clearance to search 😮
I wonder how many homes that have had a murder take place have had murders to or from multiple owners over time. I'd imagine a murderer buying a home that has had a murder already take place there would be less phased by it than someone who hasn't but I'm not sure really, just a thought I had when you were talking about the value of a murder house.
I’m pretty sure in America realtors are required to state whether someone has died or was murdered in a house. Also I’ll forever call anyone called Richard who annoys me “Bichard”. Great pod guys, very informative
Very interesting Georgie and please think of us everytime you meet a Bichard!
Actually I'm from the USA and the house we purchased was a national covered murder case and our realtor never knew about it we has to inform her, we were aware of the history since we lived in the same city
local too. I wasn't allowed to camp in the back garden until they caught him. He got his tyres changed pretty much at the end of the garden *shudder*
That is horrifying!
I live in Grimsby. Came up here from London. I remember hearing and watching about this case on the news. Nobody liked Ian Huntley, him and Maxine was most definitely hated. This was an awful, really sad and extremely devastating case.
episode 1: Eel
episode 2: Catfish
episode 3: hammerhead
Albert Fish next surely...
Hello me again, also Maxine Carr was also re housed to Saltfleet which was the sea side town mention which is also where I holidayed a child. Everyone who was there was aware of the fact that she lived there even down to which house she lived in. It wasn’t long until she was moved on though as the villagers were very unhappy with her being there
What’s with you guys and fish? 😂
The baby p case was another awful story and the mother was sent back to prison and one of the male killers is out living his life makes me 😷
Was it the toddler that got spun round on a seat at first?
Vanessa george. Sicko is free . Probably at that same seaside town.
Dope Def Leppard tshirt
Thanks man!
Love listening to you two muppets speculate.
Thank you bud!
Really interesting pod, glad I subscribed! Keep up the good work :)
Thanks Charlotte!
Huntley reminds me of stephen McDaniel and the philpotts. Lingering round the media to see how things are unravelling.
“Hopefully coming towards the end of lockdown....” checks date
video was released....Aug 2020
Maybe August 21?
from Jack looking forward to season 2
Completely agree with Ben they left that 'shed' way too long, the police missed so many obvious clues.
Thank you! I am like an overweight customer in a hardware store... I just can’t get past that shed!
Regarding Maxine Carr, a colleague of mine said that she used to be a receptionist at a dentists in Stretton, near Burton upon Trent. Maxine apparently was an agency cleaner after the Soham case. She kept herself to herself, and looked very distant and scary. She didn't turn up one week, and the agency said she was still called Maxine Carr
Her name was changed when she got out of jail she moved away from the area
thanks for this much luv from israel
That first bit about Lockdown aged well!