The Creator Of Commander | A Conversation With Sheldon Menery | Untitled Magic The Gathering Podcast
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I've seen this but the 100% free LFG section makes it sound like there aren't a plethora of chat channels to hang out in, also for free.
Do you guys do Tabletop Sim? 🥺
Subjective and differing formats wouldn't be a 'deviation' or an 'exception' if there wasn't a rule!
Only power level 7 right?
@@WingofTech TTS is way better than webcam magic. Casting Praetor's Grasp over webcam is a nightmare.
RIP Sheldon, thank you for your good work!
Rewatching, in honor of this great man. Rest in power, Sheldon.
Oh my God. It's starting.
The time when old magic players start to...
I watching cause I haven't before but because of that mans memory he did alot for MTG
Same
Rest in peace Sheldon Menery, thank you for doing so much for so many
The Professor: Why not have more people on the RC?
Sheldon: ...Have you ever tried to run a weekly D&D night with your friends?
@@Zookmottin multibillion dollar corporation pay their board of directors a lot of money to be present. I don't think we want to link the rules committee with that kind of financial incentives so the comparison is kinda dead in the water.
@@Zookmottin A board of directors is a majority rules operation, not one running on consensus. So the comparison is invalid. As for why they don't want to run a purely democratic system, I don't know, but that's where it's at.
@@xxhellspawnedxx "because democracy is the worst system" (I may have left a bit out here)
@@xxhellspawnedxx Sheldon has expressed anti-democratic sentiments on his discord before
@@soren1803 Anti-democratic, or simply preferring a slower, consensus-based decision making process? I mean, I have a hard time believing that he's some sort of elitist or supremacist, of any sort.
What a fantastic interview! I greatly appreciate that Prof was totally willing to kinda just gun it on important topics, rather than dance around the point (looking at you, Dockside!). At the same time, I feel like there was a great deal of respect between Prof and Sheldon, and even when Sheldon didn't give the most satisfying answer, Prof's comments on that were never harsh or clearly antagonistic. Like I said, fantastic interview
@@XCodes nah still the card is a mistake and always will be. 4 player 3 tresure and a are positive in mana
@@XCodes imagine unironically comparing dockside and dark ritual lmaoo. Also saying it wouldn't be a problem if other cards were banned is like saying paradox engine wouldn't be a problem if mana rocks/dorks didn't exist lol. Technically true, but maybe, just maybe, the one card is the game-breaking problem, not the 10s-100s of format staples that it benefits from.
It was a good interview, with the exception of the "diversity-question". Can't people just stop injecting their ill-informed political beliefs into things we enjoy?
@@XCodes man are you kidding rigth? Do you really need me to explain why dockside is broken? If so let me help you.
@@XCodes Being a creature already means better than instant, treasure better than single use mana, and dorkside can easily hit 5+treasure
I think the only thing keeping Dockside Extortionist from creeping into every single deck is the absurd cost of the card, and for that matter Wizards of the Coast not reprinting it enough.
While I agree, I do argue many players don't mind people proxying. Either if they don't own the cards, or own only 1 copy of the card between multiple decks
And Brian, what a great job as an interviewer! Congratulations!
Yup, if you can afford to run dockside in every single deck with red splash, you should be. The card is so much more broken than primeval titan unless your running a land matters theme.
you are right, is not in every single deck that use red just because of the price. That card is cancer. And sol ring and mana crypt too.
The other part about dockside it over performs at higher power and is just ok at lower power level tables.
Can we please have more of these interviews? It was really amazing to see you two talk, I would really love to see more videos of you talking to the higher ups of magic the gathering.
Commander brought me back to Magic...hadn't played in 16 years, Dominaria was coming out on my birthday so I stopped in my LGS...everyone was playing Commander, and I learned that all my old cards from 1994-2002 were actually useful in a format and got hooked! Thanks, Sheldon!
Same here! Commander rocks, and I don't agree with everyone that thinks it should just be considered a casual format.
I'm generally all for representation, but I really don't think we need more people in a rules committee that just say "yeah just rule 0 your playgroups lol". What I get from him talking about the philosophy of commander is that, at heart, it is a "casual" format, and that the banlist is just a guide for playgroups. I don't feel that there needs to be a huge governing body just for them to say "hey you probably shouldn't play golos but it's up to you guys anyways". Afaik, the commander advisory group is pretty well diverse too and they do speak with the rules committee enough, I'd hope
This is why we love the professor. He genuinely has the community's best interests at heart and asks the good questions and doesn't cater to the guest while simultaneously being respectful. Love it!
This video introduced me to Sheldon, the Godfather of Commander. I'm deeply saddened to read that he passed away today. Thank you Sheldon
The reason dockside isn't played as much as hullbreacher was is that
way more copies of hullbreacher were printed
Ikr, when hull was legal it was i think $11-19 while dockside is only now $50-70. So of course it started appearing everywhere!
Could have the price ranges wrong but I definitely remember buying a hull and not thinking about it as much as a dockside.
Bingo. The logical fallacies betting used are sort out astounding. It's no wonder that transparency has been so sparse. You know Rachel Weeks chatted with dude about Sisay after she got shut down by shrines on I Hate Your Deck.
Yeah I was surprised the cost/scarcity element didn't come up
If anything it's even more reason to ban since it's inaccessible
@@theelectricant98 how bout we unban primetime first. He's suffered enough
Sheldon: "We have no stance on proxies." Prof: "Ah, so you're for proxies!" Sheldon: "Are you even listening?"
theyre probably for proxies, but cant say so because they work closely with WOTC
@@pizzapm WOTC is not against proxies unless its sanctioned tournament. So that's not an argument.
@@pizzapm 30 year celebration would say otherwise 😂
Cause WotC totally didn't issue a cease and desist order over proxies
in the game were Sheldon played with prof and prof asked to use a proxy Sheldon seemed personally against proxies@@pizzapm
That final question is such a hard question, with Sheldon being open about his current condition. It's hard not to think about that question in the context of Sheldons ongoing health issues.
Kudos for Sheldon for answering and such, but man is that, contextually, a rough question to be asked
Sheldon: The first thing is, we don't do 'Why this, not that,'
Prof: You do here!
I literally spit out my coffee in laughter 😅
The fact that he thinks that line of reasoning would get more cards banned rather than unbanning unreasonable bans should disturb the community playing under him.
@@Zafocaine I can see both ways of thinking. There are a lot of cards that could be lifted from the banned list but there are also a lot of people who'd rather see a card like Dockside banned rather than see Prime Time unbanned.
@@DylanHunter64 as far as banning for power level, I think there are only a few cards that get talked about enough to possibly (and popularly) deserve a ban (Dockside, Thoracle, Ad Naus, Fierce Guardianship, perhaps a few more). About as many or maybe a few more than the number of cards that get talked about enough to warrant an unban (Prophet of Kruphix, Prime Time, Coalition Victory, Biorhythm). I don't think the banned list would immediately spike to 100+ cards as Sheldon suggests, but a progressive banned list like that, with a new ban-for-power mentality, would certainly grow much faster as Wizards continues to push commander design. Perhaps they keep it this way so they don't have to change things regularly.
@@UVAFoozle already got to disagree, play a game or 2 with Prime Time and/or Prophet of Kruphix. Those cards are very reasonable bans and will warp the format of many groups if unbanned.
@@Srynan Neither of those cards are nearly as good as dockside let alone as good as thoracle and ad nauseam. It's a joke to leave Prime Time banned especially.
Professor is out here gunning for Dockside...
As he should be. That card should have never been printed.
@@casteanpreswyn7528 Dockside is great. leave it alone
Because red usually cares about enchantments. It's a trash design AND way overtuned.
@@RafaelPanazzo its one of the worst cards ever printed. There is no justification for it other than, "it'll be expensive on the secondary market". Next you're gonna say Ancestral Recall and Time Walk are perfectly fine and balanced cards.
@@RafaelPanazzo Are you kidding me?
Thank you for letting the rest of us get a peak and a small chance to be familiar with this magical being. I hope all the shuffle up and plays and this conversation get revisited so we can all appreciate what a gift Sheldon truly was to our gathering not as the father of edh but as an amazing person he truly had a gift to make you feel apart of something even through a screen. RIP legend
This was fantastic Prof. You are an absolutely slick interviewer. The right balance of respect and inquisitiveness, the exact right amount of edge. Love to see you interview others in the game.
Rest in peace, Sheldon. You remain alive in the lives you've touched.
Well there goes my next hour
Now I know what to blame when the next episode is late.
The death trigger for Elenda, the dusk rose was what made me learn about that rule change.
Same. I bought a copy of her to build as my second EDH commander when she was around 4-5 bucks thinking she was busted. After finding out she would have to stay in the yard until I could recur her I scrapped that idea and she ended up in a bulk box. Fast forward a few years and she is now one of my favorite EDH decks to play!
I went with the more humble Gerrard post rule change 🙂 Elenda is very potent.
imagine my mind as somebody who had built Elenda with intent to let her go to grave before that change.
Didn't take recursion out, i just get to use it on other targets.
This was very interesting, Sheldon seems like a pretty good guy but I still think the rules committee is very behind with the format. I'm glad prof took him to task a bit for that. They have a lot of catching up to do.
Right, he was talking about how powerful Prime Time was...a decade ago
Yeah, for all intents and purposes cEDH is the default format and casual commander is the variant. cEDH is a board game consisting of around 300 staple cards (plus commander specific extras), reverse engineered from the most consistent version of all the rules. Casual is somewhere between a failed attempt to utilize trade binders and cEDH. Format warping things are problems for casual when they invalidate thousands of cards, but they are advantageous for developing cornerstones of a competitive format.
@@atle853 if you think cedh is played more than non cedh you are full on delusional. Cedh is the aberration that goes against what the format is, ergo the problems. There is a fixed cedh format, its called highlander
@@DimT670 I think you completely misunderstood his comment.
What he is saying is cEDH is the resulting format of such a small amount of rules and bans with an eternal card list, EDH is an aberration that shouldn't exist (not that we don't WANT it to exist, but it SHOULDN'T exist with this set of rules).
We are excited to have you both at the Magic Summit! Also, unban Coalition Victory! 😂
Especially since Painbow is such a badass! I need that win con in there! I'll live with Teferi's Protection and Worldfire but Coalition Victory would be so much more on par with Painbow!
It never ceases to amaze me that Coalition Victory is verboten while Liliana's Contract and other stuff is totally fine. I get the 'wait until your upkeep' is a gargantuan ask in a powerful meta, but it's so much easier to pull of Contract's condition, and it's not a dead card when you draw into it like Victory is. Also Victory uses a ton of mana, so it's really hard to hold up counter magic. I haven't decided if I'd run it in Reaper King, but it's a solid-ish spell in that deck in particular, but again, with so many changelings and Maskwood Nexus, Contract is still so much better.
@@mightyone3737 having to wait an entire turn rotation makes all the difference in the world, especially when the condition required is the easiest to remove card type. Coalition Victory has to be answered while on the stack or the game ends then and there. and it's conditions are laughably easy nowadays and can be met with three cards most of the time, one of which is in the Command zone and at least one of which is a land.
also, never mind the fact that five-color decks are already getting too strong and generally tend to be goodstuff piles, they do not need an instant win card on top of everything else.
You do realize that Commander isn't a DCI sanctioned format nor is it controlled by or ran by WoTc a subsidiary of Hasbro. So technically speaking Commander has no actual banned list right? Sheldon and his cohorts literally have zero power or authority for that matter to anything remotely close to "Banning" literally anything.
@@mightyone3737 The problem is that it's a relic from a time when full WUBRG was a novelty as decks go, and basic land "types" didn't exist, just basic lands. Two triomes and an actual WUBRG commander win you the game the same turn, when other wincons either resolve on upkeep or lose you the game if someone has a counter. Coalition Victory would actually be completely fine in Reaper King imo, as you'd have to actually have more than one creature. I'd be fine with Rule 0ing it into that deck.
This is one of the best pieces of content I've seen in years, absolutely. Thanks prof for all your work, and thanks to Sheldon for the special gift he gave all of us with Commander! :)
It really is nice to see an interview where the interviewer and interviewee obviously have some differing views, but are perfectly respectful the entire time, even when going through some of the touchier questions. Kudos to you both!
Yes that's very rare these days and awesome to watch
The random frame at 21:39 of Sheldon sitting by himself had me remembering certain scenes from fight club.
LMAO
The Prof phased out, but then untap happened and he came back.
What a grace to be a part of this community. I am so honored that you have managed to produce such an open, honest and heartfelt interview. Kudos to the Professor, to Sheldon and all of the people behind the scenes who have made this possible. Thanks for continuing to be reasonable, hard working and welcoming people.
Everything Sheldon was saying about Primeval Titan applies to Dockside. As soon as it hits the battlefield it becomes a race to copy, reanimate, etc. it. It's had less reprints and is significantly more expensive than Prime Time and that's the only reason it's not showing up more.
EXACTLY
We are living in the Treasure Token meta, and it seems the RC likes it that way.
When i was in their discord, some people on the RC told me that they feel thassa's oracle is as hard as interact with as recurring nightmare, as problematic as that one too, yet they don't want to ban it because they use rule zero as an excuse for everything.
the RC is a joke
You're comparing apples to hershey bars when you compare Dockside in this era of edh to Prime Time back when it was legal and subsequently banned. You had to be playing around that era to really understand how broken Prime Time was at that time of MTG where it was a literal arms race to who could abuse it in whichever way possible. Dockside is nowhere close to the level of busted that PT was a decade ago by virtue of where the landscape of the rest of the format sits today.
The problem with prime titan was utility lands. Treasure tokens almost universally just tap for mana, primeval could get valakut, field of the dead, a cradle, strip mine, etc.
@@8nykspree Dockside is much, much more impactful card than Primetime ever was. Commander a format where cards like Mox Diamond, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Carpet of Flowers are stables, so Dockside is just an explosion of mana. It regularly makes 8 mana on etb, in a format where 5 mana pays for Ad Nauseam.
Wow, you're a great interviewer. Continuous respect, and you provided pressure in a way that wasn't "calling him out" but gave him an opportunity to clarify what he was saying.
I feel like the Rules committee are individuals that wotc have grown to connect with and trust their assets with for consultation. CAG has been developed to fill the missing connection those few people have with the wider community outside judge circles and pro tours. From the outside it looks like an apprentice step for those wanting to be on the Rules committee, as its a platform from which the individuals opinions and decision making structure are becoming more visable to Wotc, to be able to see if they can be trusted to have a partnership with in the future. Like Sheldon said, providing for a future rules committee.
Prof coming in with some heavy hitting questions. Never realized how fierce of an interviewer he was.
I kinda like it. Very direct, not antagonizing or confrontational but not dancing around the crux of the question.
He was actually a lot more tame and reserved than usual, and it was a bit disappointing.
Honestly I feel like wizards is weary whenever they okay a rep to do an interview with him. Because I would not okay some of these questions at all if I where them! 😂
@@casteanpreswyn7528 yeah, this was just an hour of Shedlon stroking his ego.
@@Xoulrath_ 100% and it was insulting as fuck. Usually Proff is better than this, makes me think he had to agree to a WotC interview contract before.
Great video! I'm building my first commander deck while watching this video and it's good to get to see behind the curtain.
That Magic Summit promo is the funniest promo Prof has done in a while
7’s only in the Commander Arena 😂
lol "And Vince!"
Much respect to both of these gentlemen. Extremely professional interview while still asking very touchy questions.
Prof you are not afraid to ask the hard questions or call out what players are thinking. I really appreciate your content and product reviews. This looked like a semi-tense interview and it was a great look behind the curtain so thank you for doing this.
Chiming in from Denmark here - absolute fantastic interview! Never knew I actually cared about this stuff and knowledge. So great to get insights into all of this. G R E A T work, Professor. You are awesome!
Sheldon's a great guy. I met him at command fest Orlando earlier this year and when he came to our table, he spoke with us as if we were his friends. I really enjoyed the interview.
Eh, my experience is less positive.
He made a post in a commander Facebook group linking to how MDFC work as the commander, and the link originally said “if either face of an MDFC is a legendary creature” and was at some point in under 24 hours changed to say “if the front face.”
All he had to say when I had directly asked him about this was “it was changed after I posted the link” and then never replied when I asked why he couldn’t have just edited his post to say there was an error or correction.
Because there were a lot of arguments between people who read it just now with people who read it when first shared and had literally no reason to go back and read it again.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC That seems like a very small mistake to judge a person by.
@@Neg319 It was getting pretty heated in the comments. Yeah it was a small interaction, but it’s also not something I judge him as a person off of, even if it’s really stupid that he didn’t make the edit.
@@ZakanaHachihaCBC You seem to be a very petty person. Sounds like a "you" problem to be honest
Yeah, the dude who called people "braying asses" for rightfully pointing out that initiative is too strong in 1v1 formats is super great. Lmao.
Absolutely lovely - only upgrade would have been a solid hug at the end! Please do another interview with Sheldon and have him on an episode of shuffle up and play!
This was a great interview! It’s super interesting listening to this conversation and good for the prof for throwing a combination of soft and hard questions!
As someone returning to magic, but new to commander, I have to say you’re interview was very well done and much appreciated!
I loved this podcast but it’s left me feeling uneasy. I think prof brought up great questions and was given half answers. Would love to see more conversations like this.
Agreed, one of the first things that annoyed me is saying that the reason prime time is banned because it warps games around it. And that it’s been banned for so long that most players have not played with/against that. Formats change, decks change, cards that have been banned for a while should be re evaluated not just left on the banned list because at some point it was good.
Enter Sheldon Menery and the RC. They give vague half answers because they don't have actual good reasons for their decisions besides the fact that they don't want to lose their control over the format and they want to force the format to be what they think it should be instead of what millions of players have evolved it into.
@@moxcardboardtv8797 You also have to consider that many times, players do not understand the game well enough to know exactly what they want. Players will almost always optimize the fun out of a game if given the opportunity to easily do so. They have the clout to say they designed the format that is so popular, and you have to weigh any suggestions as a what if vs a certainty.
That being said I think the one thing they need to do if they want a leg to stand on is obliterate rule zero from space and actually take hard stances on the rules of the format. Its not a format for a small group anymore.
My personal asks? Ban the reserve list. I think a huge portion of the community would shit on them if they did that though, so whos right?
@@stickofbutter4144 have you played with it in commander?
@@juts89 Just wanted to say I agree with your first paragraph. As someone who has founded a thing myself, people often don't understand the full implications of the suggestions they put forth. Being open to collaboration and input when you become popular is important, but wanting to maintain some control of the direction of the thing you came up with is understandable to me.
Good to see another Untitled podcast!
lmao
Three years ago I wanted to enter the world of Magic, but my girlfriend told me about the rotations, it stopped me right away. But recently I finally learned about the commander format, and today, I’m waiting impatiently for the arrival of my first deck (from a local game store no worries!), thank you so much for making this game accessible for casual players!
We’re really lucky as a community to have folks like the Professor and Sheldon as advocates for us. I can’t imagine where magic would be without them, and I’m so glad they’re both such firm believers in creating a more welcoming, accessible, and equitable community. Thanks to you both!
I played a game of EDH with Sheldon and called him out for not shuffling the top card of his deck. I don’t know if he did it intentionally or by mistake, but he wrote an article about it lol
Got a link to the article?
Link?
It's entirely possible OP is trying to post a link, YT likes to delete comments that contain links or things that look like links.
Link?
Whats the name of the article at least, and where was it posted? We can just google it
I met Sheldon at Commandfest Orlando 2022 and let him know I was upset about the Golos banning. He was a good sport to my rather annoying criticism and later I even had him sign a Golos. Best event I've been to yet!
Given today's recent news, I think there can be no more poignant of an answer to the legacy Sheldon has built than the one he gave on 49:26.
Thank you for everything, Sheldon Menery. Even though as you said, it's a bit sad that you will no longer be doing the work, the whole MTG community will keep your memory and legacy alive from here.
As someone that generally disagrees with the RC, I find this interview quite an interesting listen. Sheldon is quite an interesting person to listen to talk about magic, very articulate. I have watched the discord a bit of late and find it something that is quite a good bridge of communication for the RC and general base (which I have mostly been critical of not existing).
Still will disagree (in respectful manner) but nice to want to hear more of the RC instead of less. I would love to see an extended interview
(Also love the Prof asking about Leovold and reaction to the “No” lol)
This is so cool! What a great interview. Thank you sir for creating the main format that I love to play!!
What a profound and meaningful interview this was! Thank you very much for facilitating it Prof!
The conversation about dockside is difficult to listen to. The situation he described is definitely not what is going on at my LGS. The only reason not everyone is running it is because not everyone is willing to spend 80 bucks on a card. If it was 20 like hullbreacher it'd be as ubiquitous as sol ring
Yeah I want to call bullshit on Sheldon here. There are tons of docksides running around at lower power tables at my LGS. It is in pretty much every deck that has red in it, and the only limiting factor is its absurd price. Very frustrating to see it acknowledge in this way by the format rule makers.
I was really disappointed with the way the prof just changed the subject after because the answer was just not satisfactory.
@@isaacsmith3998 agree. It's frustrating when someone with so much power over the format seems so disconnected from the game I experience
100% this!! It's more about accessibility than pure power level
Hearing him talk about Dockside is really a long winded way of admitting he has a disconnect with the majority of players and how the game is played
Never related with a comment so much in my life
That was such an interesting interview… thanks for it!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Discussion about primeval titan exactly describes dockside except dockside is 80 bucks so we don't all have one... it warps every time it shows up
i feel like dockside is a worse offender because you can throw it into almost any deck and as long as the opponents plqy a certain way, it wrecks them every time. for primeval titan, you need to craft a deck around it a bit more because you need to recast it or copy it.
Sheldon seems fairly pragmatic, and I appreciate that. I think the RC has become more transparent over the past few years, but part of the point the Prof was making is that there's still gaps even with some of the CAG's input. a diverse range of voices in the CAG (budget vs big spenders, casual vs cEDH, Johnny/Jenny vs Spike vs Timmy/Tammy, new players vs rules lawyers) should provide enough useful input to accomplish the intended goal, but not all those players should have a final say on the commander format. as Sheldon points out, the useful takeaway from some piece of data is when it's filtered through someone like Shivam to see how Shivam's experience is impacted.
also I want to say dockside has a low floor but a high ceiling. the issue is exacerbated by the prevalence of mana rocks.
Great talk between two great minds! ❤ I love these long form discussion videos.
Now that I know there’s a format philosophy channel, I may be active in the discord.
At one point I thought the Prof would ask to treat the witness as hostile. What a great interview. Great job Prof.
Very interesting interview, straight to the point and no restraint. I would have liked to have Sheldon's take on Universes Beyond, but aside from that, it was very informative. Thanks Prof.
Such a great interview. I have not seen an interview like this in any topic for a long time. Hard hitting questions, educational, informative, etc.
Excellent interview, despite an appalling lack of discussion about the finer points of EDH Merfolk strategy and deck construction.
This interview was a great service to this community and was entirely needed 👏 excellent job Prof. I think this will benefit us all greatly in our opinions of the RC and their methodology.
Great video as always! Really like this inside to one of my favourite games. And spicy questions too, very well done!
It's great to see such rich content and definitely gives more depth to the format. Love to see important questions being asked and could be taken further with figureheads of the community rather than purely 'entertaining' content creators saying they simply don't like card x and y.
SO EXCITED TO SEE EVERYONE AT THE MAGIC SUMMIT!!
Loved hearing form Sheldon, loved that Prof didn't only ask easy questions either.
Thank you Sheldon for creating such an amazing way to play an already amazing game
I just really appreciate that this conversation was captured for me to eavesdrop in on... thank you!
hey Prof,
Thank you for this type of format of video. I'm not the best video watcher but i am a commander player and it does warm my heart seeing this kind of video.
This was great! Thanks Sheldon to sharing your thoughts!
The ban list isn't about restricting your local group. The ban list is about events and travel. If i play with friends consistently, we'll play whatever we want. But if you sit down with random people, you can have a pre-game conversation but you can, at minimum, expect legal decks.
Yeah, Sheldon doesn't seem to understand that Commander isn't anything like D&D. Commander is a card game that needs rules and restrictions not imgination and a, "philosophy" that he mentions every 10 seconds.
@Hono Shirayuki except, it's WAS once upon a time. And to a decent extent it still is because regular playgroups have their own house rules, gameshops can have their own house rules, etc. It wasn't meant to be an overly serious format, meant to be something to do while bsing with friends, something also in common with d&d.
@@direkitsune I see the point you are trying to make but I still wouldn't compare a competitive card game to D&D. The comparison just doesn't make any sense.
@@OmNommSnom I think your making a logical mistake. Commander is not a competitive card game, it's a casual one
@@direkitsune Commander for the most part is casual, however, Magic at its core will forever be competitive considering everyone is playing to win.
May God Bless his Soul!!! 💖
I never knew Sheldon personally however, it Felt like, Every time I "Shuffled Up" to play... He was Right there with us, Every Mistake of the Way!!!
The Commander format Helped me through some Misery and Pain... Nigh! Sheldon helped me through!
If it were not for HE, Commander and a Close Friend... I Might Not be here right now...
I wish his Family and Close Friends, Strength... For I have Yet to find mine! 💝 🍻
Beautifully written. So much passion, gratitude, and respect. Big heart
Sheldon's passion for the game and his dedication to creating a fun and inclusive environment for players to enjoy Magic will be remembered and celebrated by many. His contributions to the Commander format have left a lasting impact on the Magic community, and his legacy will continue to influence the way players enjoy the game for generations to come.
Does wizards pay you money
"Meh that's between us"
Answer: yes
he really said "we're the only format with a conscience" in the first five minutes lmao. this is gonna be good.
if the conscience means "i don't want to play / proxy good interaction" yes i agree commander players do have that 😂
@@xddddddddddddd what do you mean you dont wanna sit across from me as we both solitare towards a very eventual victory?? TRYHARD
If you aren't winning on turn 1, ignoring all interaction, then you're doing it wrong.
Thank you for this. It’s very informative and you both are super professional and honest. Which drives the conversation. I’d say this is good media!! Bravo man!!
Loved the interview! Was a real treat to hear from Lord Commander Menery.
Prof you have such a weird, beautiful, ambivalent relationship with commander. It’s the most love/hate thing I’ve ever seen lol. Really good interview though, It would be really cool to see other members of the CAG on sometime to talk about the state of the format.
I wonder how Sheldon feels about local gaming stores that make their own ban lists. And I'm speaking of the stores that have been seen on reddit for banning tutors, fast mana, "feels bad" cards like dockside, RL cards, all LD, etc.
The philosophy document talks about this: "We encourage groups to use the rules and the ban list as a *baseline* to optimize their own experience. This is not license for an individual to force their vision onto a play group, but encouragement for players to *discuss their goals* and how the rules might be adjusted to suit those goals."
Excited to listen to this after work!
An absolute banging video, thoroughly enjoyed it prof.
I feel like Rule Zero convos are "How are we gonna play tonight". I'm glad he said "There's a ton of format warping cards" clearly there's also an aspect of working with WotC. If they banned say Dockside a week before it was announced in Double Masters....whoops. I think it IS very appropriate to compare bans though.
The current setup of a smaller governing body and larger advising body is actually really clever. As he said, getting 6 people with equal voices to agree is hard enough, expanding that number (for whatever reason) would ultimately degrade its ability to set appropriate guidelines.
Yeah! Even better, What if we only had one führer? Then the disicions are made only by 1 person, there for eleminating the need for disscussion or governing?
No. So, if it is gonna be a smaller body, it needs to be an odd number of people and decisions should be voted on by majority not uniformity.
@@portaltoanotherdimension5312 You can't be serious.
Great interview, thanks for being a hardass with him 🤟
SO STOKED FOR THE SUMMIT! Definitely gonna go
Big respect for Sheldon. Keep up great work Sir. Best what happen to EDH is that rules are not in the hands of WoTc. It keeps the game fun and healthy as it is.
I think one thing to consider when expanding the RC is you can have 18-20 people asynchronously provide their input, but having 18-20 people across the world all needed to sit down at the same time to reach a decision, when each of those people have other full time commitments, you will be waiting for a very long time
The idea the commite needs to all sit down at the same time for a long time is very archaic. It's the moder world , we found always the organize and make decisions ,send messages without needing that.
You can do it the same way most parlements or other govermental agencies do. Have a minimum amount of people that need to be present for a meeting.
@@XCodes if you don't have time for a monthly meeting with 15-20 other people, then don't be on the committee
@@XCodes yeah but a ruling committee doesn't need to last 3 hours and isn't a game. It also isn't a full time job which is probably the most important than to balance. It's most certainly possible and I think the big thing is that their current way of representing the voices of the community is flawed and could be better.
@@XCodes running a RPG table is an activity you do for fun, those are easy to throw to the side, since they aren't actually important things
The RC is a responsibility, not a side activity, if you are not able/willing to attend most meetings you should step down
I really like the frankness for the prof and respect to Shelden for coming up with honest answers, great video.
As someone who has played the format for over a decade, I loved this. It's incredible to look back at how far everything has come.
Great interview, rip Sheldon
Hail, God-Progenitor of our favourite format, EDH! (not the urghhh… trademarked “Commander”)
And big thanks for bringin him onto the show, Prof!
I'm a baby Magic player (started mid-2023 right after March of the Machine Dropped) and if it weren't for Phyrexia - but more importantly the Commander format - existing, I wouldn't be playing. I'm still new to the Magic world but it's really nice to see the level of respect given to people like Sheldon. I love "interview Professor", you ask REALLY good questions that lead into interesting answers. Loved this interview. Bless you Sheldon!
YESSSSSS we needed this so much
RIP my guy, RIP
This is a very good episode I really like how you didn't let him just ran away with some answers
This was a really good and informative interview
Thank you for this interview, it present a descent stand.
Dockside hasn't warped all levels of play because the damn thing costs $70.
Good episode. I would have liked to see a discussion about treasure tokens though!
Treasure tokens are broken. Discuss.
@@Xoulrath_ exactly. Seeing Sheldon acknowledge that would go a long way.
@@Xoulrath_ yep..
it's funny how much treasures becoming more and more ubiquitous stifles creativity in deckbuilding.
I'm happy this video came out cause I was gonna find Sheldon at the Summit and try to ask him some of these same things. But now I don't have to!
Just play some games instead! :)
Nice one! Super real conversation!
Dockside is rampant in my casual games. I know because it's in all my red decks 🎅
Then you must be a very rich man, or a very poor man
As a casual player running ruric thar I don't even wanna play anymore because I don't wanna feel the need to spend 80 bucks on dockside. Nor do I like that fast mana is also.the casual playstyle nowdays
@@Hakokoro the chad rurik thar player vs the beta akroma player
ditto!
@@Amphibian42 he has one that he swaps between all of his decks