Dealing With Difficult Commander Players | Magic: The Gathering
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What type of difficult Commander players did I leave out that you want to hear talked about in a future episode?
Note: Cheater is not a "difficult" player to deal with, it is simply unacceptable behavior. You can play a game where you get salty, and yeah, it happens, but you don't just play a game and get "cheaty"
The one that takes 20 minutes almost every time it’s their turn, because there’s a lot going on, they don’t know their deck or both
Unless you're in a silver bordered game and need to drop your Cheatyface somewhere!
But for real, thank you for calling attention to that. Cheating isn't something that's ever acceptable.
Ones that are constantly interrupting while others are trying to take their turn, not like the Strategy Expert, but just talking while others are trying to explain their plays.
I think you forgot the defeatist. They're very similar to the Salt Lord when something doesn't go their way they see themselves and maybe their deck as a loser. They don't particularly on purposely make other people's day bad but they mostly quietly don't have any fun.
The guy that will do anything to push heat away from them. "It's not my fault I play Narset Wheels! I only understand the banlist to the letter, not the spirit! It's their fault for not banning Narset." Like my guy, just admit to what you're doing. You're the one doing it.
I wasn’t sure if I could trust the Prof’s advice. Then he sat down on a backwards chair which means he totally understands me.
yeah. that made me expect less professor treating himself as a salty player and accept the video as serious advice (with very funny costumes).
It was the star wipe that did it for me
I agree, too bad he had that stroke at the end.
So you fell for the backwards chair talk..
Who gets to tell us the "right" way to sit on a chair anyhow? Diverse chair sitting options provide spice to life
Prof's nephew: "Hey, has anyone seen my Naruto hoodie?"
Prof for this video: "Many Magic the Gathering players ask the question..."
The Attack on Titan hat too lol.
When he said stop putting yourself in situations where you are having a bad time my League of Legends addiction flashed before my eyes lol
/mute all. Does wonders.
@@SkatePossy /uninstall opened up a whole new world for me
Can’t believe the Professor dropped all that knowledge on us then literally dies. What a cool dude.
Rest in pauper
Literally dies?
Some day, this will have aged very poorly, but still accurately
The cord above him just sitting there dancing really adds to the vibe.
I HATE THIS MEME
"when in doubt, board wipe"
Sun Tsu, the art of war
that’s the worst player 😭
@@Death_by_Tech The "best" player, there I fixed it for ya ;)
@@nathanmoore3866 soo uhh a salt lord .. boardwiping when someone is ahead or winning is the ideal time to boardwipe, i wouldnt boardwipe when im winning lol
"And then take em out back and do it again" Tupac, Probably
Niccoló Machiavelli ran Armageddon, and the very first law mentioned in “48 Degrees of Power” was “Use Cyclonic Rift”.
You know, I wasn't prepared to listen to what the prof said, but when he sat down backwards in his chair I realized he's a cool dude who really understands us youths.
Great video Prof.
smart youths refuse to listen to any adult unless they know how to sit in a chair backwards
shoulda started out with 'can I rap w/ you?'
This was the best, i was "the expert" for so long, until a really smart friend told me, "the only reason you know the right play is because once u did the wrong one". Emotional intelligence develops greatly with mtg and other heavy interaction based games.
True but I find learning the right way the first time works best. Obviously it's greatly dependant on atmosphere but a little learning never hurt no one. Then again I play this game far too much and need to chill.
this is only partially true. one player at the table tutored up his combo and everyone saw him do it and reveal the card. it was super clear and i repeated out loud that he was literally going to win. then another player counters one of my spells that was so insignificant at that moment (it was an esper sentinel or something) instead of waiting a sec to counter the thoracle! you didn’t need to make the wrong play the first time to realize that was just wrong
@@Death_by_Tech Some people are unfortunately just... lacking in critical thinking skills. Also imagine wasting counter magic on a Esper Sentinal big yikes. People like that is why I win more games than I should be getting away with.
@@Death_by_Tech It helps that I am a tabletop GM; I can deliver a stern “are you sure?” as they’re choosing targets and explain why I think it’s a risky play without being condescending.
@@Death_by_Tech Had the same shit happen as well plenty of times. OP is kind of full of it, doing something wrong the first time isn't the best way to learn something... in fact it kind of goes against how we as people learn in general. We don't fuck up just to learn that something isn't right and never do it again. We learn by having people that actually know the shit teach us. Their "really smart friend" is kind of dumb, if they think that trial and error is the only way to learn, or even the best way to learn something.
A recent example:
A friend of mine and another person at the lgs were playing a game, and the random cast expropriate He had 2 Brago's Representatives on the board because he cast Tempt with Reflections and my friend took the copy of Brago's Rep (I reeaaallly told him not to)... So the random used their 3 votes for time (obviously), I was like "Money dude, take whatever you want", and my friend goes "You know what, take an extra turn" not realizing he HAD to vote twice... when reminded he was like "take 2 extra turns then". I just said "I scoop then, 3 extra turns I can do but i'm not sitting through 5 extra turns" because I knew this dude was about to combo off. My friend just goes "but I don't want him to take anything on my board" after I told him that you almost never vote for time... Only time my friend really annoyed me >.>
The costumes were easily the best thing in this already very good episode.
Took me a sec to see how much weebage he was wearing for the Salt Lord archetype.
Just bummed he shaved the beard.
@@danielnesland8014 what does that mean?
100% serious. My thought process clicking this video was "he's wearing a track suit? He BOUGHT a track suit for this bit. Ok I'll watch."
Facts I want that Naruto hoodie lol
Prof coming out of NO WHERE as everyone's new favorite MtG cosplayer, holy shit. No had that on their 2022 bingo card, did they?
@@blaze556922 He is fluent in Tappy
Me in highschool: Ugh, why does our teacher always make us watch PSAs
Me now: YES! The professor made a PSA!
Can we all take a moment to reflect on how Prof has contributed to this game? Sometimes, hearing tough subjects is hard to listen to, but a little self-reflection for your play is healthy for us all.
"This is a game, you should be having fun" 💯
This was fantastic. Learning how to deal with (and avoid being) one of these types of players is such a healthy thing for the game. Thank you so much for making this video and helping us all be more mindful about our actions, in and out of game!
I think the most pressing question this video brings up is did Prof already own that red tracksuit or did he have to actively go to a store and lay it on the counter to purchase it
at one point he did not own it. That's how all possessions work
It’s what he wears underneath his suits for comfort
The professor is the person who i most trust to advise people on how not to be a salt lord. It took him years to finally win a game of commander on camera and he is always in a good mood
The line "was I a Salt lord at my last Commander night?...Probably" absolutely killed me, you don't need to call me out like that Prof! And the little zooms the editor put in really made that joke land so damn well, fantastic video as always!
The Content Creator: makes >15 min videos calling you out on CZcams 😄
I feel u missed the easily distracted player. I’ve seen so many players end their turn and instantly pick up their phone and just forget they’re in a game and have their eyes glued to their screen. Then when it comes to their turn complain about the field because they could have stopped something another player did. Or someone mentions they need a card and they proceed to take out 2-3 binders or a box of trades and go thru them them looking for that card on their turn and make everyone wait on them for 5-10 mins.
This is the type i get annoyed at the most. They leave the table to use the bathroom. Next you see them buying packs. Wtf!😵
just add the rule : leave the table , your passing priorty...if your on your phone and dont hear us after 3 times asking..You are passin priorty.
For sure, he missed a lot of types. The bad hygiene player, the money flexing player, the hentai accessories player, the card devaluing player....can’t get ‘em all in one video. Maybe he’ll do more of these.
@@davidjcritser this 100% , sometimes when a game is going really long (2-3 hours+) I'll go for a smoke after my turn, but I always say as I do " I'll be right back going for a smoke, no reactions to any spells played and no blocks if I'm attacked"
Skipped a players turn 3 rotations in a row after he left the table for the 5th time in a game for 5 minutes each time
This is amazing. I want to see a special edition of shuffle up and play where the pro faces off against the expert and the salt lord in a game of edh!
Yes. All of this.
I find that reading aloud any flavour text from any counterspell variant, while it's on the stack, is the best way to send a salt lord into meltdown 🤣🍻
Sounds like playing with fire lol
"The knowledge pool has all the answers- especially 'no'." -Override
Had this on in the background and still lost it at "Sodium Drenched Adversary"
Needs to be an UN-Card.
I had a friend group that included a salt lord. Anytime anyone would do anything that would stop them from winning, they would get mad, call names, assume that we were all in the wrong, for even something as small as blowing up a problem artifact or enchantment that wasn't super important, the deal was their stuff was targeted. It got to a point where I have an almost PTSD response to Commander where I'm afraid I'll be yelled at by people for trying to do anything to win the game and it's severely hampered my enjoyment. Thanks for putting out this video, Prof. I don't want anyone to feel the same way I have.
Years ago at my first LGS I had to deal with someone like that basically daily (he was a late 20s gun in a trenchcoat basically a walking stereotype). Being an immature teen at the time I got sick of loosing to him (ran CEDH decks against casuals) so I made a deck specifically designed to beat his stuff without looking like a direct reaction. It was comedy gold he went from approx 90% win rate to closer to 35% and he would get sooooo mad. My favorite was when I mindslavered him after he said if I did it he'd scoop. Good times. Real sorry about what seems to be a similar problem to mine but trust me letting them run rampant is how they get their kicks so preventing that is key.
Me and my friends have not played with someone in over 3 years now because of this very reason. We must have played over 50 commander games with him, we had pointed out how his behaviour is stopping us from enjoying the game of Magic and makes us feel incredibly unhappy. I never understood it, he would rather win and have everyone else feeling upset and crap rather than have removal played, interaction used and risk losing with a table full of people who have enjoyed their time and made memories for years to come.
I quit playing commander for a lot of these reasons you highlighted. Regardless of what I did at whatever commander group i played in at my LGS, someone would take exception to an action and either target me specifically, or actively become mad at me and would make it their end goal to make my game experience as miserable as possible, or just call my decks overpowered when i did almost anything to interact with them. It doesn't matter where i play, it wasn't a good time. These experiences ruined commander for me, and for a number of years i would build decks in such a way as to please everyone and not actually enjoy playing stuff which just turned me off the format. I had a similar reaction to the poster above, as i would be afraid to make plays and would just pass the turn in fears of sparking a confrontation or being yelled at which ultimately lead me to just quit and hate the format as a whole.
Lmao triggered
When I encounter any of these tryhards after a first match in which I play an interaction heavy, good-but-slow casual deck, I’ll bust out my combo deck to shut them the fuck up.
One card away from being a cEDH deck doesn’t make a deck good for casual. Real casual.
I was recently told by another player at my LGS that they are always happy when I get podded with them. That made me happier than any game of commander.
The real EDH wins are the friends we made along the way
This was a great topic. I know I'm guilty of being an expert or pro sometimes and it's good to set aside some time for self-reflection. This also gave me some ideas on how to better navigate dicey games with dear friends. Thanks, Prof.
yea but this video does a horrible job with the "Expert" because basically what the prof is saying is if you're in a game and one player pulls ahead and someone else is equally or more behind than you are to that other player and you see them do a play that does nothing to advance them or pull the other player back but changing a single small thing makes it more impactful then you should just shut up and not point it out. and ill be the first to admit i have only been playing for like 4 years so i'm no expert but if i see a play that should work and should be more impactful why should i not point it out? both to see if they over looked it or to learn if it doesn't work the way it should.
This video conflates the newer player going "why did you do X and not Y because Y seems like the better play" and the "Expert"s "Uuummmm AcTuAlY the better play is" which are two very different things, and coming from very different places.
@@atk9989 I didn’t get that at all. He was saying not to arrogantly say “you meant to do X instead of Y” not “why did X seem like a better line than Y”
@@atk9989 - I didn't see that at all. I saw the professor describing the "expert" just as you wish he had.
@@atk9989 It' about the tonality, the frequency and the reception! He never adviced not to give advice here and there!
I actually loved the sit down feel to this video! And great advice too
My playgroup loves the salt. We love trashtalking and poking fun at each other. Obviously we wouldn't do this in a random group, but between us it's fun to play a bit more degenerate, like counterspelling a cultivate by the person who's been land locked the whole game lol 😆
I think you hit the nail on the head. As a casual format,our actions should at least partially be dictated by the group we are in,and what that microsociety seems acceptable.
I have a playgroup that loves my MLD durdle to a win deck. But I wouldn't bring it to my other groups.
YES, this is exactly the most important thing to consider. The atmosphere of the group. If you have a group of regulars, the acceptable norms shift based on that group, and that's as it should be.
Trashtalk doesn't feel like salt. It doesn't bring down the mood as much
Oh it gets salty, we just know it's a game and don't take it so seriously or personally. That being said, get salty yall! Embrace the salt 🧂!
I was in groups that trash talked, nothing too personal, it was fun. Sometimes we'd even play chess the same way.
I honestly love how much love you've clearly put into this video and how high quality it is. I don't think I ever realized how much is put into one of your videos, but seeing your set is amazing.
A guy came into the game bragging about how his commander is able to combo off turn 4 and how unbeatable his combo is once it gets going. I spot removed it the turn he dropped it. He proceeded to huff and puff as his deck fell on its face since it had no ramp or recursion.
Nice job! I would have asked him to use a different deck, since if he was telling the truth it borders on CEDH.
you might be the best commander player to comment
That hopefully taught them a valuable lesson
Y'know... I'm not much of a Magic Player anymore and don't follow anything but vintage rules. I came here first because a woman I'm dating has kids who play and I wanted to dust off my old decks, freshen up my knowledge and play with them. What keeps me watching is the *outfits!* and the characters! I love it. I love how much fun you're clearly having.
I love how I can see the fun you had shaving your beard (very relatable).
I am the “judge” at my local store and I used to fal into the strategist mindset a lot. Until I learned the useful skill of minding my own business. I only give that advice to newer players or people who don’t realize they have infinite on board. But the most useful tool I found is to just say, “do you mind if I give you a suggestion” I have never had anyone say no (yet) and it always turns into a positive interaction.
I had a salt lord issue this week. I was the salt lord due to interaction, and I got up and left. I self reflected afterwards and realized I got a case of burnout in magic. I'm just taking a break before I get back into commander.
Take care of yourself. I recently had a similar realization and changed the way I brewed and played
damn i just switched formats for a bit. my friend added a card that shutdown graveyards entirely on turn 1 and drew it two games in row on turn one and i got sooooo maaad (passive agressive of course) but i apologized afterwards. i was obviously wrong but i realized i needed to switch up formats for a while
Thanks for sharing :)
I think usually there is a good reason why people get salty, like being frustrated with something else in life.
Most of the time Magic is a trigger not the cause.
Just change decks. It’s what I do. Mine can just go up in power.
Sometimes that's the smart thing to do man. Hope you enjoy your break, and good job having the maturity to realize the root of the issue came from within. Doesn't make you a bad person, and having the decency to take care of yourself while not dampening others experiences is a sign of that.
Really liked the mixup of shot placement in this one, the editing and the general creativity that went into production. Well done!
Prof, TCC was the first channel I ever subscribed to, and videos like this are the reason why. Your positivity, sportsmanship, and infectious sense of humor make your videos a great resource for not only learning how to play Magic, but how to play well with each other.
Also loving the new editing style!
Absolutely stellar video. Really enjoyed it! Especially the costumes, I think we all need more of that in the future!!
One of the most educational videos that I've ever watched from the Prof. Love it! ❤️
Whose says the Prof isn't a great character actor? He truly embodied the roles of the Salt Lord, EDH Pro, and the Expert. The Pro was SO GOOD! Comprehensive, helpful and silly. Nailed it, Prof!
I really do appreciate the costumes/acting and other extra stuff you add to make the video not just educational but entertaining. You the magic goat, prof!
again well thought out. also, youre a great actor brian. the characters and that prat fall at the end. had me laughing.
Sometimes it's MORE fun to hold back that dockside for a turn or two instead of blowing out the game turn 2 or 3.
Instruction unclear, got 4 more treasure off the Dockside and combo'd even easier.
To win is one thing, but to win with *style* is something else.
There's also just the idea of not presenting a threat/overextending as a strategy
It's like the classic game theory problem of the three gunslingers. Three people enter a duel where they will take turns shooting at each other one by one and they draw lots to see who goes first
Two of the players are deadshots, they will hit and kill their target 100% of the time, the third hits 50 percent of the time
And, oddly enough, the poor shot has the highest chance of winning of the three, assuming they all know each other's accuracy. If a deadshot player is chosen to go first, they will shoot the other deadshot player, leaving the poor shot with a 50% chance of winning. If the poor shot is chosen to go first, their best strategy is to intentionally miss so that the next deadshot player will kill the other leaving them with still a 50 percent chance of winning
Edh is a lot more of a complex game than this scenario, but I've found it to have similarities in that a player who presents their deck as non threatening in the early game has a pretty high chance of surviving to the final duel and thus, having a shot at winning
Dockside on turn 2 probably isn’t going to blow out most games unless you’re playing pretty high-powered Magic. You’d probably get 2-4 treasures out of it most games
Honestly glad these types of videos are being made, i think it helps set a standard of how most people play and interact at a table, it’s an odd topic to touch but the way you format your videos it’s perfect, your unbiased, informative, and have much clarity in your explanations.
Prof you are so great. Thank you for being a pillar of the Magic community and making amazing content. Kudos!
Sometimes it’s best to just scoop up yours cards, smile and move on.
I hope y’all have a lovely day.
That was an amazing episode with fantastic advice, and I literally laughed out loud at the ending 😝
I don't even play Commander (yet) and I loved this video. I was AFK for most of it, but saw a bit of some of the costume work and it looked brilliant! May have to watch it again just to see the rest. :-) I also really loved getting a behind-the-scenes look at the SU&P set, and presenting the video with that backdrop really solidified this video's identity as a "real talk" message. And the physical comedy at the end made possible by the setting? Piėce de résistance!
This channel is amazing
years of content and teaching 🙏🏽 Thank you Professor
I wish someone like the prof ran my childhood hobby shop. That bunch of misfits (this salt lord included) needed a guidance counselor to help them understand themselves and their behaviors and motivations.
Break their kneecaps (in minecraft)
I would enjoy having a beer with Brian not the prof. Seems like a great time. And a game of magic of course.
Rumor has it when Brian plays serious edh: everytime somebody board wipes everybody at the table has to drink
@@djdrack4681 so your saying for a real good time play a planewalker tribal with constant boardwipes?
@@canadianham Amateurs will pop a Disk, the pros put multiple board wipes on the stack 'just bcuz' ;P
@@canadianham especially with that new simic plainswalker spoiler, good lord
Me too
Thé filmmaking in this video is insane, what a level up from the basic video formula! Prof you’re doing an amazing job!
Great topic and great way to deliver the message. Looking badass!
"Sodium-drenched adversary..." I had to pause and laugh and type this. Bless you, Professor.
Salt lords can sometimes bring down whole stores. There was an infamous one in my LGS whose behavior resulted in people avoiding the store altogether. After being banned form the store the tables filled up and have continued to be so ever since. Thus, IMO the real solution is to ban them from stores and never play with them. It's just not worth it otherwise.
Depends on how salty they are. That person sounds HORRIFIC tho, good ban
There is something to be said for attempting to talk to them, but if they don't listen and it is that bad then absolutely kick them to the curb.
We had a guy like that. He was a combination of salty and the self-proclaimed expert. When the store moved, and transitioned from casual EDH play with 4-6 players, to EDH tournaments with 30+ players, he stopped coming. Nobody missed him.
@@DerekScottBland - Man that sucks. Nothing ruins a tournament more than a salty clique.
@@DerekScottBland wow that's horrific. This guy would play an Anje combo deck and literally scream at people when they countered his commander. Our LGS's EDH scene is super casual. He would also go on the LGS's discord and write the most offensive messages to the owners calling them shills because they dared to run a funding campaign for one of their board games (the owner designs board games). I remember telling the guy numerous times that this was a game and that he was making everyone feel uncomfortable to no avail.
Omg....you are just such a wholesome person Brian! Thanks for this positive and informative episode. Great work as usual. And thanks for the behind the scenese look. Greetings from Denmark
I think this is literally one of my favorite videos on all of CZcams. Lots of great emotionally intelligent advice (SO hard to come by on this hellhole) and lots of great humor in it hahaha.
I love being referenced to an obscure piece of game trivia!
I have to admit I'm guilty of frequent trivia lessons. I play with a lot of really new players and I can't help but mention things like when a lore character is featured in the background art, the flavor text on a card is really awesome, or if a spell they played is a variation of an original core spell like Pestilence or Wheel of Fortune. It had never occurred to me they might be annoyed by what I was saying. I'll have to reflect on that.
I loved this editing and direction for this video. Really accessible to sharing with others
With each video the content gets better. Excellent as always, Professor!
The same toxic archetypes of players can be found in the board game environment and giving them names is the first step to raising awareness and eliminating such attitudes. Thank you for being a treasure for the gaming community and fighting negativity with positivity and humanity. You da best, Prof.
I loved the costumes and acting out the difficult players. Had me dying! 😂😂
As someone who started the game with a mill deck (I love horrors and pirates, so N'gathrod called to me from the deep), I quickly realized that playstyle left a sour taste in everyone's mouth, so now I have a different deck that's more group friendly (though Myrkul Lord of Bones is proving to be quite formidable).
I feel that, i like infect decks, but because of budget and to keep the harmony of the table i always go for some more friendly cards and strategies
That’s so lame bro play a format where you don’t have to worry about hurting someone’s feelings and everyone hugs each other and exchange positive affirmations with one another
Is it really that bad? It's just a precon isn't it? I guess people don't like seeing their good cards milled lol
@@ozmond I mean I get it- we're all new players in the group (minus a few) so it would be irritating to me to have all my shiny new cards be unplayable. I'll probably bring him out in other games later once I tweak the deck to be more horror tribal and less "Hey, you no longer have a library"
@@edwinortiz1262 I know I wouldn't like that lol, but yeah N'gathrod is pretty strong if you aren't bothered early on. I say "pretty strong" loosely because it's everyone with precon decks and limited game knowledge. Menace is a really strong mechanic, same with taking people's milled creatures in the end step.
I loved this format.. the real talk visuals and all
That opening shot was very creative and cool, great job Prof!!
I was expecting the "time consuming player", taking ages to ponder every possible play. You can see the cogs turning in their head. I have one in my group and I am restraining myself from offering them a chess clock!
Yeah I feel this. I’ve considered asking my group to use a turn timer because of one of these players. Nothing worse than waiting 15+ minutes for the turn to circle back to me, just for me to take a 30 second turn then pass again. Makes it really hard to stay engaged
Yes sometimes you just have to stop and play something, then something else only to realize you have two mana open .. and pass the turn. Its hard though :D
@@bincher9891 I mean long turns can be somewhat unavoidable with certain decks. I had a karametra etb combo deck and often had to tutor land, shuffle, draw 15+times a turn. I simply couldn't avoid taking 10+ minute turns due to the mechanics. I eventually took it apart because it did disrupt the flow of games but I think it's generally okay for someone to take a long turn as long as they are actually doing something and not just sitting there thinking or doing something like topping repeatedly without actually drawing any cards.
I have a friend that does this shit even when we mana rush which is suppose to be a faster version of mtg. And will try and do take backs when he messes up somewhere.
Add in the angle shooter and double the time because the angle shooter won't inform them of their board state/graveyard so the time consumer have to double check everything!
Also it’s good to keep in mind that everyone’s human, and sometimes a salty player is just having a bad day. A simple “hey man is everything good?”, or just asking if they are doing alright might make the difference in someone’s mood ☺️ after all it is just a game
Such great content again, Prof! I took a seven month hiatus from MTG first half of the year, but being back means watching your vids again. We're lucky to have you.
Wasn't expecting that end at all, haha!
Fantastic video, Prof.! Congrats to you and your team for making quality content! I really mean it! :D
I would do whatever The Expert wants, as he may set the building on fire if you mess with him too much.
Also give him back his red swingline stapler.
I feel really weird after watching this video because I like play Voltron and not focusing or at least killing someone relatively quickly seems like a problem. Is it just me or edh has become a cooperative game where someone wins by accident or someone "king's make". Mtg etiquette is a minefield. :/
It's not you. I don't know when EDH went from a game format to a hug circle, but it's weird. Like, we are playing a game. The goal is to win, at least mine is. I'm going to play my deck with that goal in mind, and I'm going to ensure other players stick to the format and card rules. If that makes me a "problem player", then oh well.
I don't think it's any problem if either (a) the person you eliminate was clearly going to win if you didn't do it NOW (you shouldn't be required to lose just because someone would otherwise be eliminated), or (b) you're in a position to finish off the other players soon. I think there's a problem, though, when you take out a player simply because that player has a bad defensive position (maybe he just missed his land drops, or got land-flooded), and that player is going to end up sitting around doing nothing for a long time while the game continues. I think there's a HUGE problem if you take out a player early simply because you know him to be a good player, regardless of how the game is going.
@@Grumpollion I can understand that, at least in the context of a friendly play group. "Don't pile on John, he's mana screwed".
That end gag really took me by surprise. I cackled - great video!
Communication. Kindness. Gentleness. Best advice for interacting with your fellow Commander players.
Thanks for the video, Prof! Great advice.
I think the weakest part of this was EDH Pro - I mean, there's nothing wrong with wanting play correctly and keep the game state valid - but if they aren't acknowledging a huge gap in competitiveness at the table, yeah thats an issue.
Overall the worst thing you can do at a table is making everything about you (competitiveness, salt, knowledge/history superiority). These archetypes basically all avoid "sharing the fun".
Real Talk - if my opponent had a beneficial move that removed me from the game, no matter how early, I'd be insulted if they didn't!
And you skipped the worst archetype - the person who abhors proxies in a casual game for fun!
I'm not against proxies, but...
Actually in all seriousness, it depends on what they're proxying and the group. There was a guy who always proxied a full set of fetches/duals + tutors & fast mana, and it somehow felt worse to me than if he had used real versions. (And don't get me started on the proxy tabernacle...)
It's not a great thing, but having certain cards priced out of 'casual' play does actually lead to a better format. I'm talking cards like mana crypt/vault, Demonic/Vampiric Tutor, Tabernacle/Nether Void/Yawgwill and certain Modern/Legacy staples like Force of Will/Negation. (Although, there are issues that arise when someone brings these cards to a table that can't afford them and doesn't allow proxies).
Edit: I thought it worth saying that proxies are fine in cEDH, when used in moderation, or when used on a manabase or on non-staples. It's just that proxies sometimes get used to put expensive staples into playgroups where they don't belong.
My pet deck costs as much as a used car and I love to see people proxy - credit card doesn't equal skill as I say. Real talk target printing cards for EDH is killing the format balance and variance.
@@cullenkelley4828 yea agreed- the prof said as much in the beginning of the video.
@@simonteesdale9752 Proxy Tabernacle is the worst.
These special effects are amazing! How did the editor manage to get every "EDH PRO" Prof to have a dad bod?
I just got into magic last July and I’ve learned so much the last 6 months
One of the first CZcams channels I found was Tolarian college and it has been some of the best advice for me from how to Muligan, and EDH on a budget I’ve gotten so much out of your videos
Thank you Prof for your words of wisdom and can’t wait to listen to your next points of wisdom.
Thanks, Profesor. This kind of content is so good and wholesome. Really cool advices for playing better.
"... After all somebody does have to come out victorious."
"Combos that force the game into a draw exists"
So, that was a lie
I dunno, I'd argue that the person who forced the draw holds the personal victory.
Divine Intervention paradox haze with a take a extra turn card thanks you for your acknowledgement
One time at my local EDH group, I came across a wierd kind of EDH "Pro". For privacy sake, Imma call him "Richard". Richard ran some kind of Nicol Bolas, Ravager deck that was counter-heavy. Yet I've never met a counter-heavy player so uptight as he was until that day (No offense to him, but that might explain the grey-as-fuck hair). The moment I decided to summon a creature was when he decided to go on a 3-minute lecture on me which went like "muh stack" "muh pro tourneys" "dat annoyz mee" despite the fact that: 1. We're on a casual format, and not the competitive one that comes after that one AND 2. He literally admitted to not having a countering spell in hand
So I was like, "OK fine I'll do it YOUR way", and fast forward to the combat step of my second turn, I felt like I was walking on eggshells at this point. So I was like, "OK, you gonna respond?", and then he was like "no". So I was like, "alright, Imma attack", which for God-knows-what-reason made him ragequit the game, pick up all of his stuff, leave his coat behind, and buy me a Brothers' War set booster all because "owemjee u no memba stack datz it ah kwitt >:(((((((("
And then there were 2 left if you include me in the pod. Sure, I won, but I still felt like my victory was extremely ill-gotten in the end.
The way you presented this was excellent. This was one of my all time favorites and you really have reached a new high level. Side note your beard is glorious.
whole video was amazing with the costumes and characters. loved the relaxed and fun vibe of this.
I really knew he was trying to reach me when he sat backwards in his chair
Also handlebar moustache prof is awakening something in me
While back i realized I was becoming a salt lord so I toned it back by making a joke of "Does anyone else smell rotten vegetables? Cuz this is lookin' like some BAD BEETS TO ME!" and that tends to brighten the mood for myself and my playgroup.
Yeah, I’ve definitely been there. I try to remind myself that the other players hindering my plans is a natural part of the game and just let it ride. It’s hard tho!
@@kirkwright8954 For sure, so I've been just keeping up with the elbow-nudging dad jokes and running jokes with my playgroup. I act like my plans being foiled is a comedy bit and and that framing device really helps me lol
Excellent Video Professor. Thanks a lot for the recommendations.
Great Video!!
The costumes are amazing,,, beside the commitment of shaving !!!
Anyone else ever think initially that they were the salt lord, but actually the other three players were "EDH Pros"?
It's happened to me when I got together with work friends to play Commander...twice.
Definitely thought I was a salt lord for a while but it occurred to me I only get salty *because* of this “edh pro” type in my playgroup. He’s the kind of guy who does not care about other people’s enjoyment in the slightest. The only way he’s having fun is if he wins. Killing someone on turn 3? Hey if it increases his odds of winning, why not? Completely locking someone out of the game right away? Of course, makes winning easier.
Played a few games with just the other two guys and had a blast, as the rest of us play way more casually. It’s best to stick with a crowd that have a similar reason for and way of playing.
I was the salt lord during my last game... I admit it... I recognized it all too late, but I did some self-reflection afterwards, and I'm stepping away from playing for a while so I can get my head right. I still enjoy building decks and some of my friends enjoy playing the decks that I build, so my role in my playgroup now (for the time being) is building a deck and letting someone else play it. If there's someone who wants to, of course.
Thanks for the positivity, Prof. And for the Tool Time head bop at the end, that's completely cracked me up.
The green bar was throwing me off the whole time lol. Made me think my phone was tripping up. Good vid Prof.
Yea, I get frustrated when someone holds the game up for no good reason. Maybe they’re talking, crazy long turns without actually doing anything, or they’ve obviously lost but refuse to admit defeat and stall the game out forever and lose anyway. I definitely have to be aware about how I come across in those situations because I can get pretty salty. There’s a way to approach situations that frustrate you, and popping off or sitting there with RBF isn’t the way to do that.
Hot damn, this 100% combine this with the distracted player and hellcmanifests itself at the game table. "So you spent 5 minutes looking qt your phone, missed 3 triggers, and need 10 minutes to figure out your turn? I guess all our time is meaningless, go ahead"
It's really cool when the Expert tells me about outdated lines that no one uses any more then gets confused by anything newer than 2018
The ending props to you Professor 👌🏻
This video helped me look at myself in ways that will help me improve both personally and professionally. Great job and thanks!
You have to establish dominance early. When you take a commander player for a walk, do it on your terms, on your time; you are walking them, not the other way. Give them activities to do based on the type of commander player they are. Make them submit to the food before you feed them. Remember: rules, boundaries, and limitations
My least favorite player is the Politician, specifically the person who takes the politics to the extreme . Everything is a deal, everything is an opportunity to try and haggle, it gets annoying.
Just say you'll take it or say nope and that's final. Can't haggle if there's no option.
@@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS It's more having to say that for every single decision that effects another player gets old really fast.
Just make the deal and then don't stick to it. They'll be salty, but they won't try to make deals with you anymore XD
What a great video! Thanks Prof! Informative and super entertaining
The curls with the booster box killed me hahaha
When I get too competitive, I like to set myself subgoals, like "Draw 30 cards with Grim Haruspex then discard them all" and try to win only after I've done that. Makes for a great story if you pull it off.
This was really helpful. I'm hoping you can make a video about misogyny in magic, socially inept players who drive out 50% of the world's population from game stores are much bigger issue than the ones you brought up in this video.
Never noticed it tbh. Only people like that are the ones no one likes playing with to begin with for a lot of other reasons. Got a example? My playgroup never had issues with this maybe were just lucky.
The Professor once again keeping us at ease and handing out more solid advice and tips for the community we all partake in! Always genuine and always informative ❤
Thank you for this content! It’s much needed at the moment. Great video.
I've found the worst problem player is oen you didn't mention, because it probably goes without saying: the cheater. They often stem from salt lords who, instead of just getting upset, take action.
I’d say they’re more aligned with the pro tour archetype 😂
This episode is already starting absolutely based
based on what?
A+ episode. Very well done!
This video was an absolute banger. The fall at the end really cracked me up 😆