HUGE Prints REALLY Fast! // MASSIVit 3D 1800 Pro Deep Dive!
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- CRAZY standing INSIDE the @Massivit3DPrinting 1800 Pro while at Daniel's Wood Land in California! The MASSIVE build volume and GDP style of 3d printing mean CRAZY FAST HUGE prints!
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Need a “Joel Telling in Carbonite” life size 3d print! That would be hilarious!
Misread. Placed real Joel in carbonite.
@@jimmysgameclipsdefinitely would be better... could even get a less disgenic AI to do his videos.
This is crazy! The build volume is almost the size of my workshop!
Is bigger than my bathroom
Legit almost the size of my bedroom
Pretty nifty. You know it's industrial when they don't even mention a price range let alone a fixed price. This is definitely in that "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." range.
I read something that said 300,000$ idk if its right or not
@@brieksneyers6520 250k for this model. I believe the newest model is closer to 500k
@@barrymahoney3001 thanks for the info
They dont have a price for these large systems as there all different for every costumer. Theres no way there selling a size fit all product of that size and use
360-400k that ain’t the issue the proprietary material is the kicker, cost effectiveness is the major question
My brain is currently stuck on the fact it's an FDM Photoresin printer. It's clearly one of those "genius/madness" moments.
Yeah, exactly! I think this is the first time I have seen this done, even though I have been wondering about it for years!
Not FDM. No filament, no heat.
Yeah more of a resin jet printer.
@@truantray FDM stands for Fused Deposition Modeling, which is exactly what this is doing. Melted filament is just the most common version of this we see.
I'm still stuck on the Global Z and Small Z, like, GENIUS! There were what felt like a dozen crazy features crammed into this machine that got me all kinds of excited.
"You wouldn't download a car..."
Well, I might need to print it in 2 parts.
But I have long wanted to take an electric gocart chasse and 3D print different shells for it. So one day I can be scooting around in the Adam West Batmobile, or KITT, or something old timey.
Oh wow! That dual z and the ability to print each on one model but different nozzles would be amazing. Really hoping Prusa XL finds a way to do that. This machine is massssive.
Also, please print a Deathstar Play house haha
That dual Z is very unique indeed Uncle Jessy.
We're very proud of it. :-).
two different models makes sense, but different layer heights too...that's more intriguing
It has more circuit breakers than your standard house! It is really cool though! Those prints came out fantastic!
@@marcoreviews haha indeed
I sent the nozzle question to prusa once I saw the XL for the first time. The response I got was that it may not have it from the get go, but it could be added via software update.
the difficulty probably lies in slicing it, and making UI for consumers like the MMU one
Thank you Joel Telling for amazing episode !
What an Amazing industrial machine ! I was surprised to see the material bucket was only a 5 gallon pail. I would have thought a 55 gallon drum. Thank you for sharing this tech with us.
Thank you Robothut!
Those figurines you see are less than half pail each as they are printed hollow.
So a 55 gallon drum sounds like a lot!
@@idoeylon5209 Yes I figured the amount used for the figures was low for there size, but the machine is capable of such large things in any density you want or so the video said. So Just being that large of a machine I would have thought a much larger resin jell storage. But I agree, they must know what they need as they seem to have it well thought out and working. Just amazing.
All fueled by a 5 gallon bucket of goo. awesome.
Joel explaining the power requirements for the machine has INTENSE Rockwell Automation Retro Encabulator energy.
No side fumbling here
"And now in the 21st century, Rockwell Automation is proud to announce the updated MACRO Encabulator, with ultraviolet phase positional calibration enhanced by a combined non thermal matter flow accretion subsystem and gateway transfer of entity matrices."
not really
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning .
If you love 3D printing, and you watch this video and don't get super excited, watch it again!! This machine is so cool in scale, but also in so many other ways, the small Z and global Z thing alone blew my mind, and then to have TWO built in ways to clean the nozzle... these are next level features. Thanks for sharing Joel, great content as always!! 😁😁
Yep that dual Z is really cool. The idea of a micro Z, likely a A axis is really interesting! Would love to see that tech trickle down some! Have been keeping an eye on Massivit, they have a very cool line of machines!
These machines are seriously impressive! I got to see this first hand at the IAAPA Expo (Amusment/themed entertainment industry conference) back in November where I saw first hand the prints they can do (and even some of the props made from Daniels Wood Land!) It is some of the coolest tech I've seen in my life.
Thanks Joel! This was a fantastic video! I love seeing these industrial machines.
As a milling machinist this is really neat to see. It almost is set up like a milling machine with a built in control and all the servos in the rear. Super cool to see where additive manufacturing is going.
Great job Joel! It was a pleasure to have you guys!
This, this right here yall. Is...suhmazing!!! Holy cow! That build plate is a ddr dance pad! X2!
Nifty. I love seeing these kinds of designs. So many seem to look at a 3D printer and go "I want it to be fast, detailed, and huge". I don't think we're at (or near) getting all 3 at the same time, but when it comes to "huge", people seem to just take a standard printer design and... make it bigger. Yet that probably introduces more limitations. So seeing how they do it (vacuum on the build plate, use of a "gel" of some sort as a material, having 2 independent gantries that are able to compensate for operating at different speeds and heights, etc.) is very cool. Everything shown appeared to be vase mode, so not sure if it can do infill. Regardless, thanks for showing it off. For the sake of a entertainment: giant flexi-dragon.
Giving that these machines likely print at much larger extrude width, and is almost infinitely good at doing overhangs, there is probably not much need to do infill. But otherwise I doubt there's any 3D printer that literally can't do infill because that's configured on the slicer, not the printer.
@@FlameRat_YehLon yes, though demo's like this usually show off the best a printer can do. They didn't show off anything but vase mode, so I asked the question
Thank you so much for covering these machines because I’ve been looking at them and seeing what they can do. They are so amazing.
If I were to have one or two of them I’d use them to print things for things to be used for theatrical and movie productions and other projects. As well as I’d print life size version of characters from a video game because I feel they’d look better life size than the size that they are now and they’d can be used at conventions, at the companies headquarters, and at a museum that’s based on the characters.
A massive version of Mini-Joel would be an interesting comparison. Mega-Joel?
seems to be about $200k not as bad as I was thinking it would be but I bet the 5000 series is over twice as much....look forward to seeing advancements in prototyping. It would probably make great molds for fiberglass manufacturing?
This video got my like just because of the very end. I had to laugh. You are quite comical man and I enjoy your channel. Quality stuff in and out. God bless as you continue to rock the 3D printing world!
Very cool and informative video!
curious to know how much material did you use printing those two humans?
Thats really cool that you can have moving parts near the nozzle since there isn't heat!
400v is a voltage that is used in China. In order to use this machine in USA a transformer is needed to step down 480V that we use here.
Now we are getting the full Joel!
Always fun to see my everyday machine here. I actually run two of these (a M1800 Pro and a M5000) with my colleague :D. We do sooo many fun, cool and huuuge prints with these machines!
I used to work with one before the pandemic here in Brazil. Very limited regarding what it CAN do, but ridiculously fast at it.
@@vmr_1997 best comment on here
@@vmr_1997 agreed. I'm currently training on an M1800 and the slicer software is like 3D print beginner mode. Hopefully in time I can figure out how to use something opensource to drive the machine so I have more control. It's still ridiculously impressive though.
Hey man my company is on the fence on these machines, wouldn't mind being able to talk to you if you're cool with it.
We got a test part of something we would use the machine for and the part was very sticky, and the report for how long it took wasn't too had but the 41% support material added by them for supporting the walls was kinda wasteful.
I'm still trying to get a clear picture of what the limitations are because it seems like I stumble upon more and more as I look in to it.
Thanks in advance
Wowzwers! That rig is impressive! How much of the gel was used for the two statues? What kind of infill percentage (if any) would be used by the typical prints from this machine?
Looks like a cross beaten resin and FDM printing. I imagine you could print car parts with it. Like full panels for the interior or even exterior.
Good video. The ending reminded me of an old school Batman TV Show ending cliffhanger. “Will Mr. Freeze put the big chill on our crusading content creator? Be sure to tune in next time, Same Nerd Time, Same Nerd channel”!
That's an amazing piece of tech right there. Since it seems to use the tech from both filament and resin printers, does that make it a hybrid 3D printer? Does the manufacturer intend on bringing a scaled down, desktop machine that can print this way using off the shelf resin?
honestly with this 3dprinter i would print me a full scale rc car/tank i love doing them small scale but imagine printing out a lifesize tank.
What are they printing with it apart from still copies of people ?
A TRex head/skull!.. or a great white shark!... or a Volkswagen Beetle!... omg so many ideas!! Amazing machine!
What an amazing machine. So many possibilities! I'm not sure how strong the parts can be. Can you print furniture with it? Or would you need to use the prints as molds for casting. Custom concrete furniture for yards could ne interesting. Clear resin furniture for indoors would be very cool.
There's lots of potential for car modding. Print molds for fiber glass/CF lay up.
Hiya Jon, all options are available. Gel Dispensing Printing is used to print large parts and depending on the requirements of the end parts, it can also be post processed, reinforced externally or strengthened internally with expandable foam. The technology can also be used to produce molds where relevant. Operators of Massivit 3D printers produce end-use parts for yachts and trams as well as furniture, street furniture, and statues.
Large format CNC Mills are similar (2 or 3 additional axes), though perhaps not quite as polished. If you hone your skills in 3d printing, it can unlock a lot of career paths including CAD and CAM.
I am totally visualizing a custom hot tub! Totally customized one person to there own body!! Pretty COOL!
what would I print? car parts mostly. lol. but I dont have 400 volts access. id need another full line...and we just ran a 240 for my big 10ft cnc...
Amazing printer. Its Huge !!
I'd love to 3d print an arcade cabinet designed to contain my 50 inch LCD TV on a vertical axis - it'd be a home version of the giant screen arcade machines seen in some modern retro arcades.
I'm envious that you got to see such a 3d printer design. I'd have loved to have been involved in commissioning that machine back when I was a controls engineer.
Looks great, but those are single walled prints or? I think this is great for prototyping for example car parts, like aftermarket body kits etc. Also i think they are also heavily invested in the boat scene or?
Hiya RedWraith , Gel Dispensing Printing technology is indeed used for wide body kits like this one czcams.com/video/A29oiCc4dxI/video.html as well as prototyping. It's also ideal for printing full-scale marine parts that can be lightly reinforced with composites. Here's one of the companies that use a Massivit 3D printer for it massivit3d.com/blog/5-questions-with-velum-nautica-lead-design-engineer-boze-radan/
You are right RedWrath.
Automotive, marine, railway among other industries.
For prototyping, but also customized end use parts are possible when reinforced.
This reminds me of a very similar printer, except it had a large spike. It was the same size though!
Do you recommend any acid resistant resin?
Wow! Good Video and nice Printer :)
How would I get a print made on that.
The outro really got me! hahaha
If I had that, I’d be printing some massive Dino skulls and any jumbo props that would be too much work to piece together with smaller printers.
Like a whole suit of armor pieces at once, large weapons.. etc. you could basically do a full cosplay armor in one go!
😂😂 love the ending!! i would print my new ED-209 model as large as possible!!
Thats a nice printer and i want one. oh and on another note The Z-Axis uses trapezoidal thread screws and not Ballscrews, the Machinist in was crying at that moment you said that and saw the screws
You missed an import point. Because this is not heat edxtrusion, the plastic cross links are in 3 dimensions and the prints are thus anisotropic. This means equal strength in all directions.
Some groups are prototyping this UV crosslink method on desktop printers.
I had thought about that but we didn't get a good discussion on it and thus didn't make the final cut.
Do you build custom Orders? I need a base frame, a top frame, and a door cut out frame for a Vivarium I want to make. I can’t find anyone that has a printer big enough to take on my demensions of 26”D X 28W” X 36H”. I don’t know who else to ask or where to even look next.
Look up and contact Massivit and they could point you to one of their contract manufacturers that could get this done for you!
I wanna print a body kit for my 93 dodge stealth and some body parts for my 99 astrovan.. And some parts for my 07 hummer h2.. God the possibilities are endless
When I saw your previous video my first thought was to use it to build emergency shelters. Even if you have to print it in multiple parts to make it big enough for a human to lay in that would be ok too especially with the print speed. If they are not sturdy enough for human shelters then maybe for pets..?? Of course cost of the machine and materials would be a huge factor in creating those shelters but for natural disaster areas or even poorer communities in the world I think it would at least give some sort of protection from the elements even if it is not a full sized apartment.
Really a cool machine and I hope it gets used for something like i mentioned above if possible.
I really need a home version of this machine!
Yeah...i also love to have it too...
Joel - "Do they do that in large?"
a build volume like that i would love to print some Loot dwarf minis in life size. i have no need for them but i would still want them.
Perfect for full size prototypes of small machines and components that are a few feet in size.
I need one of those 😆
Now that's a time machine, where can I be able to contact you if I wanted a print of my face?
Love how you say Zee or Zed.
Interlocking movie set facades, use non permanent paint, would clean off easy for repainting a set for repeating assets, recycle into uncontaminated (paints) ammo for the next print after the shoot.
Buuut I dunno what I'm talking 'bout though.
does it come with Bltouch preinstalled? :)))
Does the gel ooze out of the nozzle? Is the extruder capable of retraction? The demo prints all appeared to be vase mode.
To be percise, it is not an extruder, but a dispenser. It is capable of controling the gel well, and stop during layer printing when necessary.
We don't have vase mode, so in any case the dispenser stops between layers.
What would I print? to be honest I would probably end up printing nothing because I ALWAYS procrastinate once I see a print that takes several hours, then I try to lower the print time and if I can't I try to find a new print. I think it's the impatience that gets to me haha.
What about suport? Is there an max overhang? Is bridging possible? Can the second print head also print special support material?
No need for supports. Because its acrylic and it hardens immediately you can print 90 degrees off the last layer without any fall.
@@stonelambert true until the material gets close of its shelf life then you start to get lots of saggy spots and holes
it won't bridge, the gel is far too viscous before it gets cured. It's like the consistency of custard.
@@cray- did you even watch the video? it cures instantly.
@@stonelambert I watched the video. But more importantly, I use one of these machines at my workplace. It doesn't cure to full hardness instantly, but gets harder as the layers climb and the same area gets re-exposed to the UV lights. A fresh layer has the consistency of cooked spaghetti. You can peel it up off the previous layer and it's still wet and sticky. So no, bridging is prone to failure and aggressive geometry can also end spectacularly if not adequately supported. Amazing machines, but they have their limitations.
How many inches did they shrink your print?
interesting, a CR-10/gMax sized "consumer" machine used for helmets, busts etc would be cool
I think the only way this would be helpful in using two nozzles at one would be to have them encircle each other during the printing layers to make a much faster print. two nozzles printing 1 print. Also i think it should print out a car like that lambo everyone kept talking about. Or maybe an exoskeleton suit or something like from robocop
Joel makes big prints
So, how long before Joel adds the Massivit to his setup?
We have one of these where I work!
That’s awesome!
Can it print a benchy one could actually ride?
Either the calibration is off on that machine or you have added some weight since the scan was made.
Hey Joel, that could build an amazing jungle gym for a playground
Wonder if that can fit where I live? 🤔
I'm guessing this design leads to similar layer heights as you'd find with fdm? Or is it capable of the same layer heights as msla?
to achieve the speed they advertise its like 800 micron layer lines
Must shake the hand of the mad scientist(s) who schemed, toiled and actually built this behemoth! Looks like the perfect way to tackle XLF prints with hybrid materials!
I would print molds for my car to use as templates for carbon fiber/ fiberglass parts!
sick
mock up for building detail would be interesting....
Ok lets see how effective this one really is. How about printing a working wind walker. Two additive printers, able to print two parts coexisting could allow for in place internal structure so those finicky gears and housings could be done with two distinct nozells. And the height is just about right to create those sails.
Lol.. thought I was imagining the plunger.. for a second thought the printer winking at me
I would print a 1/2 scale GI JOe VAMP (9 times the toy size) or a full size Mercury Capsule to give to Adam Savage.
I need one. Put it in my garage so I can print full size items for my area.
a boat for a child,
a pretty massive rc plane
a cooler with drains and pip handles
a racing seat for a go-cart or formula series race car
The electronics inside of that thing look like the damn chillers I work on! Lol
This printer is the love child of FDM and SLA. Now the question is can it be made desktop size, and can it be faster than Fillament FDM?
So a mix between fdm and sla printing. Thats insane.
you need to print a - XYZ cube, and a benchy. That is standard. The biggest that will fit.
I would want to print a Like size ScarJO , Melissa Benoist, Hayley Atwell and Charlize Tharon
Full size wearable fallout power armour would be my print on there, still on my "to do" list on my much much smaller printers
Can we have a benchy at max size
That 3D printer is huge
And now he's the 3D PrintED Nerd. 😏 idk how I feel about a printer this large that runs off buckets of photopolymer gel. The huge FDM printers with pelletstruders are what _really_ get me excited. 🤔
What I am wondering: Is the gel some kind of resin, so is it toxic until it's cured?
Hiya MrKretzsches . The gel is indeed a resin.
It is safe to use as long as one follows the guidelines, which are similar to guidelines for domestic cleaning materials.
After curing, the material can be treated as general plastic.
@@Massivit3DPrinting Thanks for the answer! :)
Wonder if you could 3D print a drive-able car inside that space. At least a small motor scooter maybe?
Awesome machine. I would build body parts for cars, one off unique designs for fenders, hard tops, hoods, trunk lids. And bigfoot statues. Definitely Bigfoot statues.
Can't wait for the Cura integration
Man, I would definitely want to print Ravenloft castle at true 28mm scale to run a game in
_*When you said you were standing inside a 3D printer I immediately assume you got a hold of the "Honey I Shrunk the Kids" machine._ *
Its hard to know what to make on something like that but I would like to make furniture but have it be furniture that is so complex and intraket that a normal woodworker could make by hand. I would also like to make the coolest cosplay ever. A full sized Titan from Titanfall 2
what would I print? Life size Naomi Wu of course...
I need six of these machines! Why? Well, because. Print all the things!