The Sovol SV08: You Won’t Believe the Price…
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- In this video, I talk about the Sovol SV08. Brought to you by PCBWay. Register at jle.vi/pcbway and get a $5 welcome bonus!
THIS is the all-new Sovol SV08... (jle.vi/sv08 - it's only $499 for the first 800 buyers!)
Basically, it's a 350x350mm, professionally-manufactured remix of the popular Voron 2.4...
Except it takes less than an hour to assemble.
And it costs a fraction of the price.
And in THIS video, we're going to check it out, see how it's different, and ask the question...
Now that this thing exists... Does it still make sense to build a Voron - specifically, the Voron 2.4??
Please note: This is a Sovol SV08 Review, but because I was allowed to be the first to publish any content on the Sovol SV08, it's not as thorough of a review as I normally do.
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03:55 What Is It?
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08:13 Specs & Performance
12:54 Setup Process
15:39 Print Quality
17:22 What I DON'T Like
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27:17 Conclusion
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Thank you Jonathan for consulting with us on this product since your visit in last August. It was our pleasure to give you and your audience the exclusive first look at SV08!❤
Any time! I appreciate the privilege and the ongoing cooperation! Can’t wait to visit you guys again soon!
Really hoping we'll see an adapter like was mentioned! I try to stick to ruby or diamond nozzles! 🥹
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I have the same problem with the Z Offset on my SV06 plus. Using something like the beacon probe that recently was introduced to the Voron Project.
Fully open source, but with a proprietary hot end… they should have go Voron style on that too….
... You have plenty cash left (in contrast to a Voron kit like from LDO) to just do that! Just use the OG hotend to print the printhead you want and buy the hotend you desire. That's the idea of Rep Rap!
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 true, but I think it should have already been open source by default.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738not very cool to have to buy/build an entire new hotend just to have access to different nozzles...
@@marcelzuidwijk They say the printer will be 100% open source, that means the specs for the hot end will also be open source and any company will be able to manufacture it. Just like any other open source hot end? Unless I missed something.
I believe there’s more than 200 engineers right now watching this
Why? They simply copied a machine that has been around and perfected for a long time. Yawn fuel for engineers.
@@chrismay2298 Mass producing a previously mostly hand-build machine reliably at a compelling price point is not trivial and requires a lot of engineering.
@@MichaelTavel I think there is more to it than meets the eye, at first glance. First Sovol is simply joining and forking Open Source products. Second, being Open Source falls in line with Chinese Government Phylisophy, so they get full backing, and subsidies, from the Chinese Government. Third, Sovol is outsourcing production through Creality. Take it as you will, I am on board with it, and impressed with what they are able to accomplish.
it is a voron clone and that is released years ago those engineers could watch it already
@@auroraRealms How do you know production is going through creality? If that is true, as you suggest, i am instantly not interested. Creality QC is absolutely dog poop. And your bed will be warped 100% guaranteed. Lol
Less than a fraction is still a fraction
What if it's less than a fraction of a fraction??
less than a fraction is incorrect and meaningless. :)
A percentage of a fraction, decimal-ly speaking!
How much fractions can you spare? I'm a little short on rent I need to make up some fractions to make my ends meet.
It was clearly meant as a figure of speech to mean that it is cheaper than a Voron Kit.
The sv08 seems really interesting but the hotend is a nonstarter for me. These companies need to start shipping with standard nozzles, this is insane.
Yeah. That’s a bummer. But I’m 99% sure you can just put the Bambu clone hot end on there lol. I might try next week.
Please do, if this works it will likely change my mind on buying it
@@jeffreydutra well, it's using klipper, you should be able to swap to anything you want.
Same size rail as the 2.4. you can use a 2.4 rail caddy and have your own pick of any hotend you want on it.
luckily its open source! so a revo adapter prolly will be a breeze
Whats under the hood? Whats the specs on the mcu running klipper? How thick is the bed? What steppers and drivers is it using?
Details man, details!
Nero's livestream goes into greater detail but the control boards are both STM32 with an allwinner h616 serving as the Pi equivalent more than enough power. Steppers are 2209s and the bed looks to be about standard voron thickness
@@connorcleveland9166 I saw the live stream. Yeah looks like an orange pi base.
Not convinced about the bed though. It clearly had a shroud around the edge. No way you can tell how thick it is.
@@connorcleveland9166 I wonder why the motors sound so loud with 2209 drivers.
@@peterrichards1989 bad firmware or mechanical resonance? 2209's are well known to be capable of very low noise, right?
Gosh Johnathan i cant thank you enough for all your input, enthusiasm, and wisdom. You are the reason i purchased the a1 mini! My first Bambulab machine. I am just a guy in a small Colorado town, but you've made a huge impact on my interest in this hobby. I appreciate you, and i hope you keep the great content coming. Thanks so much for all that you do ❤
End of last year i bought a SV07+, i was really surprised how well thought out all the details were at that price point. If SOVOL can keep up their level of quality they are going to be one of the big ones of the industry
Every introductory user of this printer has had various problems with wiring, found problems with insulation, LEDs, camera quality, etc. It's early to tell but a lot of what is said in this video is extremely dramatized. Making big points out of trivial feature differences is just a distraction. The design of the SV08 is so different from the Voron that very few of the improvements that have been made for the Vorons will fit the SV08. So it is not something that you can use to benefit from the Voron experience. The use of primarily steel in the frame (not aluminum as was stated) saves money but it is very thin and easy to damage and difficult to repair or modify, the aluminum frames of the Vorons are much tougher and more suitable for upgrades. When a new Voron upgrade comes out there is a path to upgrade your own printer, which Prusa is also famous for providing. This is not the case for other vendors, they expect you to buy another printer every year or so (just like the auto manufacturers) so they don't worry about upgrade paths supported from the designer / manufacturer. The cost off the SV08 is about equal to a low end Voron kit after they get beyond the low initial beta user pricing, but a very high quality Voron kit is only about double the price of the SV08. One strong feature of the Vorons is the availability of maintenance and upgrade parts from a large array of vendors. A printer without a ready supply of spare parts is hardly something one can depend on. Making a printer full of proprietary parts means a large distribution network is needed to make parts readily available, and if the manufacturer goes away or stops providing parts for a model it becomes much more difficult to support and will likely be retired long before a Prusa or Voron model. So the higher initial cost may be repaid several times over the longer life of the machine. This is another area where Voron and Prusa shine. Why does this unboxing and early walk through sound like a Bambu ad? This channel was interesting early on but has degraded tremendously since those days. Now it sounds more like an over-hyped advertisement sequence. As another commenter mentioned, it might be more useful to compare the SV08 to the pre-assembled Voron clones. This really isn't in direct competition with Vorons market. Those pushing for the Bambu and Sovol type machines are really supporting the buy and discard philosophy that fills our dumps with tossed products only a few years old, whereas the Voron and Prusa philosophy is more of a long term minimizing trash and maximizing re-use of the machine resources with reparability and upgradeability. Are you buying for the long haul or the short term??
Is that tool board compatible with something like a stealthburner? Can the fans be changed around?
I don't have the printer nor have I looked at the documentation but likely 1. No(size may be different although config wise it would work) and 2. Yes. Since its opensource you can swap parts at will
@@woutervossebeld4664 Gotcha. It doesn't look like a bad machine, but their decision to go proprietary for a few things is a turnoff. It's understandable though since this isn't meant to be an actual prebuilt Voron.
Thanks. So in short another half baked product hits the shelves.
I think that is EXTREMELY over-reacting. half baked? Looks like a few minor tweaks to me. But screaming that the sky is falling is more fun, I guess.
@@davedempsey5282 I imagine you’re paid by Sovol or are a Sovol fanboi. I will not touch the SV08 until all issues have been fixed… May take them a while
Can you say something about the mainboard? A standard BTT or Creality board like on the other Sovols or something custom build? What CPU is running Klipper? How much RAM?
What type of stepper driver? etc.
that's what i was wondering too, there is no way the motors are this loud with tmc2209 or 2225 stepper driver installed, but i guess if everything about this printer is open source, they have to publish the board, drivers, stepper (current/heatdev.), etc that have been used
year @thenextlayer, a look around on the rainbird would be really cool and interesting. Also, the question of how upgradable this is with stepper drivers or better camera, ... calling these 5fps cam an upgrade is a hard claim :'D
Bold move having this guy do the first look LMAO.
My first look video at the panda touch from big tree tech got 100 K views in a matter of days. I get results… and usually don’t screw up massively. Except for this one time… 😂
Hey he cant leak it early if he can show it off early
They know he'll kiss ass the right way and get clicks since he can't be negative. They give early clicks to the best puppets.
Haha this is true
Hold up there, the LDO kit for the 2.4 R2 does come with handles, though they are on the top. Also you CAN grab from the skirts, as the honey comb pattern does let you grab the lower Extrusion on the side. I move my 2.4 a fair bit and use one handle in one hand and one on below on the extrusion to grab the printer. Just have to be careful of the screen, or carry it from the back.
Building the Voron and choosing your own color scheme is like doing RGB for your ultra gaming PC. Not entirely necessary, but also very enjoyable to make the choices. I have a Red 2.4 and went with Red and Grey for my colors, and I might change those colors later too. It took a while to get my 2.4 to be tuned, and right now its printing beautifully, to where I don't really want to mess with anymore settings LOL.
Also you don't need the scrubber for the nozzle if you don't heat the nozzle first before doing QGL. I have TAP on my 2.4, meaning the nozzle drip is annoying and messes with the QGL and Meshing. As such I have changed the Print Start in Orca Slicer to run G32 after it heats the bed, but before it heats the nozzle. I then removed the G32 command from the Print Start section of the Printer.cfg file since I have Orca calling for it instead. Now my printer will Heat the bed, Home, QGL, Home again and then heat the nozzle. During all of this, the bed is heat soaking longer then before. Also heating the nozzle doesn't take that long anyways and once it gets to temp, it starts to do the print.
The new Path is the 350mm build volume, 220 or 250's have been showing their limitations for years and going to at LEAST a 300mm build volume, your just going to compete against every other printer out there. Look at the Prusa XL, while it is a large build volume, its stupidly overpriced to the point where the 2.4 350 IS THE CHEAPER OPTION LOL.
Also since it is a 2.4 that is pre built for you and uses all the same stuff, and ERCF will work just fine on that SV08
"does come with handles" ... which you also could print by yourself?!
"grab from the skirts, as the honey comb pattern does let you grab the lower Extrusion" ... Which you could also change with a large 3D printer at hand.
Just because this does come prebuild, doesn't mean you cannot mod it the way you want! After all this is going to be a "Voron light" ... the cheapest entry point to that class. And since all files should be available ... you can change the whole printer the way you want.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 the handles that come with the LDO kit are metal and much stronger then any printed ones. Thought there are some pretty beefy printed handles on the Voron Mods site.
The 2.4 is a very heavy machine, and its all due to that large build plate. The LDO kit comes with a much thicker plate then normal, and thus is a lot heavier too. Took some time to figure out how to carry the damn thing around. Since during the Train Show season, I am moving it about once a month or so as I take it with me to train shows. Its real popular with the kids and other people seeing a 3d printer in action. The 2.4 is great for that with the chamber lighting and all enclosed so you can see what is going on.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738the Ldo kit comes with metal handles.
If you use tap , you should preheat your nozzle to 150C. It prevents dropping but compensates for the nozzle expansion.
I enjoyed the video 1st and foremost so thank you for providing it. I do want to ask a few pointed questions though:
1. Why wait to post after the Phrozen Arco Kickstarter ended? I assume from other of your videos that this has been ready for a bit.
2. Nozzle is not hardened so no CF, GF, or silk, wood, marble, or other abrasive filaments. Will replacement nozzles be provided at a decent price or will a compatible replacement hotend be more cost effective?
3. Bambu just released a noise reduction patch for motor noise. How does this unit compare?
4. What about ideas for sound absorption?
Thank you again for posting.
I currently have a bambulab P1s, and have been shopping around for a large format printer, this looks very promising!
Ive been looking into the troodon 2.0 do you have any thoughts on it?
Haven’t tried it
I would recommend LNL tenlog D3
300x300x350, IDEX so some multi material capability. Uses standard nozzles. It is $500 with larger sizes at higher prices if it’s not big enough.
Thank you for a wonderful video. I would like to know how this compares to the Troodon Pro 2.0 which is also a variant of the Voron 2.4. Both are about 350x350x3XX in dimensions.
Well the troodon has the hdmi 7" screen and you can choose whatever v6 nozzle or hotend you wish right at checkout. Its also enclosed from the factory. No need to print parts either. I'm headed in that direction myself but this 08 is still very tempting at that price.
@@phasesecuritytechnology6573 yes, I have one in a box right now. Just have to get space for it so I can put it together.
Hey so in the printer config what kind of stepper drivers are they using? And what is the amperage they have the x and y running at? I am just curios if they are 2209 or something with equivilent output so i could upgrade the motors with out needing new drivers or mainboard. I was just starting to plan my own core xy build, but the price of this has me seriously rethinking my plans.
Same. I've been researching for a month, going over various builds and options. But if this hovers around the $500 range and is as open source as it is sounding, this thing is sounding like the way to go. I was about to pull the trigger on a bigger bed slinger this week too. I'm going to wait and see what develops by the 18th.
@@TylerGotAYTAccount I saw 599 on the sovol group
tmc2209 @ 1.5A hold and run currents.
Thank you for the video, great info. I hope they come out with multi-color soon with the right price.
Thank you for the detail on the cooling. I'm new to 3D printing, started recently on a Sovol SV07plus, and designed a dual-5015 parts fan carrier to ride on the print head. It's on printables. It needs some mass centralization work, but already it's functioning nicely. Anyway, yes, parts fan cooling is a huge limitation.
Thank you for the announcement. I've been contemplating building a voron for the level of quality it offers, but not having the time to invest in building one. This could be a great option for me. I got an SV06+ last year as my first printer with over 1000 hours of prints so don't want to get another bed slinger. The open source and ease of use with klipper had been a great learning experience. Looking forward to see the printing community grow with this release! Keep up the great content. I started listening to your podcast two weeks ago! Great stuff.
Well done on the exclusive video Jonathan 👏
Thank you kindly
Belted Z axis has me sold, we are finally starting to get companies that are moving past outdated lead screws. I love it.
What's wrong with the lead screws? Gantry of the Voron 2.4 is 30% heavier than Trident, giving the Trident (with lead screws) a speed advantage (as in max acceleration in input shaping). Also the bed on the bottom makes it harder to heat the chamber than the Trident with the bed on top where the hot air goes. Better for printing ASA, ABS, Nylon etc., it doesn't take ages to reach 45C+ chamber temp where the print is.
I have both a Voron 2.4 and a Voron Trident and I think the Trident (with lead screws) is the overall better design. Don't get me wrong, the 2.4 / SV08 style is great, but all in all I prefer the Trident.
@tstrrtstrr745 Lead screws are less accurate, and are generally replaced by ballscrews with more modern CNC machines. Belted Z is another option for machines that bear less of a load, no concerns of backlash with belted Z, and less weight. Those are 2 different printers you are comparing, lead screws are not the deciding factor for gantry weight. There are belted Z mods for the trident, although I think they mount the motors on the top, I'd install them on the bottom.
Great Video, I've fairly new to 3D printing only about a year now and absolutely love it. I have been thinking of getting into dual color printing. Do you have any printers you would recommend that wouldn't break the bank? Thanks!
I would love to see you compare a voron and the sovol SV08 to a printer from formbot called the Troodon 2.0 pro. I just recently got one and I love it.
I wonder if you could get something like foam window seal and put it under the printer to dampen the noise? I think it would still be porous enough to allow air flow.
Great video Jonathan! I recently got rid of my Ender 5 Plus and have looking for a good CoreXY replacement for it, but really really didn't want to build a voron because of all the tuning and stuff required from it. So this is the perfect replacement I've been looking for, especially for the price of an ender 5 plus (which is WAAAAAY worse out of the box)
I wonder if the whole hot end or even toolhead can be swapped for a typical ones used in a Voron. It's more costly than Sovol providing an adapter, but it's probably still cheaper and less time consuming than a full Voron kit. What do you think, @thenextlayer?
Since Sovol stated this is going to be fully open source, you should be able to replace anything. And I guess it doesn't take long till someone comes up with a Stealthburner mod for the SV08.
Great preview, Jonathan! Keep up the great work. I'm so excited for the SV08
i was listening to your podcast with Mandic yesterday and was asking myself why there aren't fully built vorons -- and voila! thanks for another great vid
shoud have wished for million kilos of PEEK filament lol
Great price for a decent looking printer. With that being said, the Z offset issue is an absolute deal breaker for me and it's the main reason I got rid of my older printers for an X1C. The "just works" aspect is crucial.
Nobody wants to spend more time debugging print issues than actually printing and one of the most common reasons for that is first layer problems, often as a direct result of Z offset issues.
Bro I am with you but z offset is easy to solve. Literally 1 click. And I'm sure it will be fixed out the box once production starts. Heck I had a z offset issue with my p1p. I'd didn't know it for months though . Kept ruining petg prints and so was everyone else. Enter OrcaSlicer. I adjusted z offset from the slicer in my printer profile and viola, no more failed prints getting tossed around by the nozzle.
Since this is going to ba an open source printer, it's not comparable to Bambu Lab because the user does not need the support of the company to fix things.
And since this costs like 2/5 of the price of that X1C (varying to country) and because of the huge community that kinda does the "debugging" for you (if it's not even already fixed due to the Voron 2.4 knowledge), it's fully depending on your understanding of the value of your time.
For me ... one hour or two invested in fine tuning is worth more than 900 bucks ... especially if you count in that knowledge gain!
Because one thing should be clear: A Voron (or "Voron light" in that case) is NOT "just a tool" like Bambu Lab machines wants to be!
It's the definition of a 3D printing hobby. And many people are glad to learn a thing or two and discover their new "toys" in a way you simply cannot with a closed source ready to print machine.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I think there was a misunderstanding. Spending and hour or two to fine tune a printer is more than acceptable. What's unacceptable is having to tune and debug before every. single. print. It's obviously not an issue everyone has but it's one I encountered on my heavily upgraded Ender (running Klipper) and I know I'm not the only one who's had that problem.
Printing as a hobby is great and learning how and why things work and how to tweak and tune settings is something everyone should do. But when it starts to detract from the fun of printing and becomes more of a labour than enjoyment, that's a problem.
I'm not saying this printer will have those issues, but I sure like that my X1C doesn't and has been 100% click print and walk away since I bought it over a year and a half (and 700 print hours) ago. The only thing I ever do is clean the print bed and carbon rods occasionally.
The assembly process is really the unique selling point „to me“. Big question is if the gantry parts and toolhead is compatible with the 2.4 (can Voron upgrades be used also for this maschine) and if also the hardware will be open sourced - meaning you can download - remix and mod your printer as is would be the younger brother of a Voron.
The hardware is absolutely open source
@@thenextlayer I hate for example the skirts product design (I can guess why they did) but if it’s 100% open source I am not limited to it and just make my own one if I want and how I want. They are giving a good and affordable platform.
Can u please make a (klippain-shaketune, input shaper) resonance compensation and show us the resulting graphs?
Interested in the resulting vibrations and recommended max acc. values.
Does it have nozzle pressure probing for bed leveling?
Is there a model number for a noctua fan we should use if we need to upgrade that part?
Really well done video! Quick question, what is the actual dimensions of the build plate? Is it 355 x 355? Want to pickup some spares
I believe it is
Having an sv06/07plus, their bed probs always are more accurate with heat soaking. If it is the same probe then makes sense. For the 12 minute Benchy remark. My linear rail modded 07plus can do a 12 min Benchy at 24mm/3 flow, I think this one could as well.
This is super cool! I wont be giving up my VzBot any time soon but competition is good for everyone, even open source projects. Hopefully this will encourage the Voron team to innovate further.
The 3D printer space is getting really cool recently, especially now that the days of countless Ender 3 clones are behind us
Great review, very tempting machine. I wanted to build a Voron 0 kit to learn, but for the size/price this Sovol might be the ticket.
I just have to do this as an ex math teacher, I'm so sorry. In the intro you said the SV08 costs "less than a fraction of the price [of a Voron]", and that's just such a deliciously meaningless statement, it fully nerd sniped me! Less than what fraction specifically? 3/4? Why not just say what fraction of the price it is exactly? 19/9 is a fraction, does it cost 18/9s (or 2x) the cost then? Or is it getting really weird? Does it cost (√2)/π of the price of a Voron? Is it -3/2? Will Sovol pay me for this printer? Anyway, back to the video, I'm stoked to check this out
Yes!
Which freakin' fraction!?
I am no math teacher but that sentence about the fraction is bugging me too. 9/10th is a fraction too. It's like people using "a magnitude of difference" incorrectly.
Totally, I was searching for this comment. What a BS statement. Also comparing to what? LDO kit? Formbot kit?
... and then the real price is never truly mentioned, instead we need to follow an affiliate link to the online store selling the item to find the true price, which is a special low price if you're one of the select number of first buyers! womp womp, we've been advertised to yet again.
Oh a question to the math expert: would be "6/3" also be a "fraction"? Then the factor of 2 would also need to be a "fraction" :D
What is the print speed? Is it comparable to the Bambu X1 C?
I love my SOVOL SV06 and have enjoyed having it onhand. The idea of being able to step into the Voron world without the massive time or cash sink is something that has my attention!
This printer is intriguing. I am currently in the process of setting up my MK4 with an enclosure so I will be able to print ABS/ASA because I want to build a Voron. And then this comes along. I have a decision to make now on whether to go this route, or build one.
When can we buy it? The link might not be working?
April 18! Https://jle.vi/sovol
I wish all these new printers had better cameras
Can a Stealthburner be modded on as a replacement
How thick is the heatbed
Yeah, maintenance and repairability area a concern
"I wish all these new printers had better cameras " ... Simply install the one you desire.
"Can a Stealthburner be modded on as a replacement" ... Yes, of course. That's the idea of open source. You can replace everything.
"How thick is the heatbed" ... For this price obviously not that thick. But you also should be able to fix that.
"Yeah, maintenance and repairability area a concern" ... Nope ... because it's not a proprietary system like a Bambu Lab.
Hey Jonathan, great review! This looks like what could send me over to CoreXY from my Ender 3 V2. Living in Israel, how is it possible to buy it from Sovol?
Unfortunately I don’t think it will be available here
I am quite surprise nobody made a after market Voron ready to print product till this point. I would say this is finally a voron equivalent I could recomand to other businesses and school labs, as these places must buy finished assembled product so they can point at someone when things failed.
Formbot already did pretty long time ago Troodon its called
Formbot was trying with Troodon. They maybe didn’t have the background in designing complete systems, though.
cough formbot troodon 2.0 cough
Troodon 2.0 only comes as 250mm3 at $649 if memory serves though? Not that it isn't a valid offering
After communicating with sovol customer service, I was told that the bed heater only comes in the 220V/1000W version.
This is equivalent to 250W when used at 110V in America and 200W when used at 100V in Japan. I live in Japan, and I think 200W is extremely difficult for a bed heater of this size.
Details of the bed heater are published on github, but the hole positions are different from volon2.4-350, so it may not be usable.
Do I also need to arrange a transformer? This is a problem for users living in low voltage areas.
Ahh! my next printer. When the 9,999 price drops a bit. 😊
It’s under 600… not sure why they do that lol. I hope you’ll consider using my link if and when you do purchase as it helps support the channel!
@@thenextlayer wdym by that, it litereally says $9,999.99 on their website
@@awesomecronk7183 That's just a price they put while the listing is a draft. Once it is able to be purchased it will correct it. Similar to Facebook marketplace when people put 12,345,678 as the price. Just disregard the price and when it goes live it'll be under 600
@@thenextlayerI actually clicked the link because I couldn't wait to find out the price and I assumed it's 1k for the rest of the video lol.
Smart move to tease the price in your end but they did themselves a bit of a disservice with their website not set up correctly.
@@awesomecronk7183it’s a placeholder for their system. Lots of retail systems will do that when they want to get a SKU up and running for website testing/display purposes but don’t want anyone to actually purchase it yet
I recently converted a machine based on Marlin firmware into a fully enclosed system and added a heater to achieve a hot chamber temperature of 80°C. I also upgraded the hot bed and hot end, enabling the nozzle to reach 400°C and the bed to reach 150°C. I made these modifications because I want to experiment with printing materials like PEI or PEI/CF. I'm now planning to build a new printer based on Klipper firmware, and I'm curious if it's possible to replace the entire hot end with one that can handle up to 500°C available in the market. Additionally, I wonder if it's feasible to switch to stepper motors with higher torque. From the photos, I'm slightly disappointed by the eight aluminum profiles used in the construction. If it used standard 2040 aluminum extrusions, it would be easier for me to install insulation boards.
This looks like a great printer. I look forward to watching it mature with the couple of feature you suggested.
The 3D printing industry for hobbyists is getting real interesting with all the new developments. With regards to panels, no reason why a handy person couldn't get some plastic sheet and make their own.
If they don't fix the z-hop issue you pointed out, this will not be an out-of-the-box just works printer, in my opinion.
I think there's probably a bigger underlying issue if the print head is knocking stuff over. Fixing that with Z-hop is like putting a bandaid on it imo. A lot of people are saying the print bed is probably thin and flimsy, so it could be that it warps significantly when heated. Or maybe it's related to the Z probe issue? Z-hop will also dramatically increase stringing and it's nice to be able to print without it. I'm waiting to see more reviews
Wonderful video. FYI, the SV06+ at least in my experience had an issue with heat soak also. The work around is the same.
So what’s the advantage of this machine over the Troodon Pro ?
Ordered mine yesterday (5/5/24) using your link. Wound up going with the enclosure and the upgraded HDMI5 touch screen. Now we play the waiting game, which I happen to be very bad at, lol.
when u said that you wish sovol would ha e used a v6(volcano)style nozzle is that your preferred style ?
Ceramic volcano is great but I also like a standard V6 with a large enough heater like my rapido
@@thenextlayer great info there are so many nozzles and hotend setup now it can get overwhelming for a novice.
If you had to choose between this or the troodon 2.0 pro mini which one would it be at this moment?
I'm definitely intrigued by a lower cost, easier to setup Voron, but this does sound like a lot of caveats.
Like I'm all for adjusting print settings, but sounds like this would ALSO require some updates to the Klipper they are running if there are Z offset or clogging (overpressure) issues. Also doesn't sound like it's completely plug and play. The nozzle is also a huge turnoff, since that is one of those aspects that can literally kill a printer. I guess if it's still "open-source" we could just replace the hot end entirely with a standard Voron setup?
This is tempting. I am saving up for a troodon 2.0 which is a similar concept . Voron 2.4 350mm preassembled except I get to pick the hotend and stuff. Those go for about $1200. Tough decision now!
This is gonna be less than half that dude.
Did you ever make a video on the Trianglelab diamond nozzle? I have been looking at it, but no one revews it.
I’ve been using it but haven’t done any videos on it yet
Was looking at voron build because of its customization, but this is an interesting proposition.
Now thats a Voron style printer I can work with! I'm a busy lady and don't want to build my printer but I love the large footprint, the sturdy frame and gantry! I'll have to keep this bad boy in mind 🤔 Thanks for the review Jonathan, don't listen to the haters. You are very thorough and always try to be honest and informative with EVERY video I've seen on your channel. Keep up the great work. I appreciate you ✌ Have a great week all
That extruder looks similar to the orbiter and the sv06 used orbiter 2 internals. Is this the case?
Fully agree on the nozzle design and the new proprietary model for many of these 3D printer companies. So much worked well when multiple printers in my collection could all basically use the same nozzle designs and they were dirt cheap when manufactured at scale.
As a Voron has never been on my radar I ask myself this, is the 08, with enclosure, a good alternative to Qidi X-max3 and other printers in that segment ??
not that i own any of the products, i do own a voron 2.4 r2 tho.
but the 08 definitely is better than the qidi if this is raw klipper.
but that being said, the issues he mentioned aren't as easy to fix as a voron and you will likely need to mod a lot to get it quiet and easily swap the extruder for a v6 as example.
aside that, i doubt it's easy to add a carbon filter or nevermore filter with activated coal as example, or to print replacement parts, so for half the price of a 250x250 2.4 r2 i'd consider still looking at voron, because ASA is actually a pretty neato material to print with from personal experience
the printer is just perfect for me. I've already tried to build a ratrig vcore 3 but failed because of the framework. I just couldn't get it square. I've probably rebuilt it 10 times but never managed to get it to be square. I then gave up and resold the kit for less money. I then built another printer called “the 100” and was thrilled. The assembly went well because the frame was practically rectangular because it was completely 3D printed. now I want a printer that is big and has a lot of potential like a voron. but I'm afraid of spending over 1000 euros again and then failing again because of the frame. But with the printer I have everything I need, just that I can't mess up the setup. I will most likely get it
What polycarbonate would print well on a 100C bed? My experience would suggest it would be more adulterant than polycarbonate, likely defeating the point of using polycarbonate.
I'd love a version of this that implements the magnetic idex project. Multicolor with just the cost of an extra hotend!
Idex are cool but a tool changer would be much better.
How do you you heat soak the printer without enclosure? Interesting...
It'll be the bed almost certainly.. Printer being so cheap means they have to have cut corners. 1 of them would have been with the bed thickness.
I'll put money on it that this will be an ongoing issue for this printer. Look at the issues the Creality K1 Max has with its 300mm tin foil bed.
Vorons use a thick bed that has been treated so it has almost warping even at 110c.
The bed itself in the vorons cost half as much as this whole printer.
There is a reason why vorons cost more. The build spec is much higher than off the shelf printers.
@@ashleywhitehead3710 Right. I expect to new Z-offset problems appear when people start receiving enclosure for this printer. There's no extrusion backers, so probably they will suffer the same issue as Vorons without them.
Nice to see them giving back to the community they online marketing as not been good at explaining that and I feel as been just trying to court drama about it. They should have been proud of being open source not asking stupid questions about it.
Appreciate the video. I just might make the jump as I've been holding out for a 2nd printer and this one sure ticks all my boxes. If you find another hotend even better, though for me, not a deal breaker. Stay well.
This one, but with a Revo hotend looks like an absolute dream.
Hopefully something will materialise further down the line.
I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t be able to change out the hot end. I have some ideas that my sleeve actually.
I will definitely look into this, once it is released and looking forward, if the issues will be fixed. However, if you compare it with a Voron 2.4, you can also add some money and exchange the whole toolhead to put a hotend of your choice, however, to have this available out of the box would be the best way to go. Hopefully the fans will be quieter once it gets shipped, the only space for me is to put it in my office ...
I'm the market for the SV08. Wanted to build a Voron to get the 350mm size, plus Klipper etc. But having a prebuilt option is perfect.
Not a fan of the proprietary nozzles. I think they just don’t want me to use a diamond back.
Well the SV07 is not fully opensource yet. I had to ditch their klipperscreen for a raspberry pi and touchscreen so I can update klipper. And even if you manage to update klipper without bricking it, it’s quite the hassle. To bad that Sovol has not yet made the SV07 fully opensource, it’s the reason I bought it (I still suck at cad design tho haha)
I was looking at getting the other 90% Voron, the formbot Troodon 2.0 Pro, your video is now getting me to consider this instead as I almost bought a Sovol T500, so if your bleeped discounts are a good as indicated I might just do that.
Don’t get the T500 it’s too big.
@@thenextlayer
I want BIG! enough to almost justify an Orangestorm GIGA, were it not for several release bugs that make that huge printer less than ideal.
As is the 600mm Voron Phoenix, would be my #1 pick but no parts kits are out for it yet. So you can tell Sovol if they scale up their Voron derivative design to 500mm or 600mm in the future, they just might have an in-demand product.
I have an SV03, which I upgraded to from the original SV01. I love the large print volume and all my customizations (dragonfly hotend. nemesis part cooling, btt board, etc.), but I've been thinking about wanting an upgrade to a machine that isn't a bed slinger. I could see one of these in my future since the one thing that's kept me from building a Voron is the price.
Dude is a walking commercial for these companies. Real shame there won't be a review from anyone in the space that actually buys this machine and gives an honest review. They don't exist. Haven't seen an unpaid honest 3D printer review for a couple years now...
You’re welcome to start your own channel and try to do it better. Anyone can leave stupid comments - why don’t you try actually doing what we do? Then we’ll talk.
@@thenextlayer🤡
Check out Maker's Muse, his reviews are spot on.
I wouldn't call this a review just yet I enjoy the input Jonathan gives but a proper review would require alot more time with the machine in my opinion. Just my 2 cents. Thanks Jonathan for the well made firt impressions video however keep up the good work
@thenextlayer Respectfully as a small monetized youtuber myself. With that level of subscribers, one would think you know not to reply defensively like that to such hate comments.
I understand the frustration of random hate and resentment filled morons just writing hate comments to get a fix for their internal sadness. However, what you said is already on every reasonable persons mind "hey, why dont you try and see how it goes" and we move on completely ignoring his and giving any attention to the person, which as you can imagine either kills him internally or he just dropped the comment to hate and will never ever come back to have real discussion.
My point is, focus on making your viewers happy and don't fight with the haters.
My third (most recent) 3D Printer is an SV06 and it's already my favorite lol. My friends are interested in printers and I tell them go for Sovol due to how easy they make everything with their good prices.
How can pre-order the printer?
Regards!
It’s not available to preorder yet but go to jle.vi/sovol and sign up to be notified
Hi Jonathan, can you review Troodon 2.0 Pro and Pro Mini? they are also Voron 2.4 clone but pre-assembled just like SV08
I was thinking a couple months ago that I'd love a Voron, but there was no way I had the time to build it. This...seems like fulfilling that desire.
Same thoughts!
IMO, if you don't have time to build a Voron, you probably don't have time to maintain and fix it, either. I've spent more time fixing my 2 Vorons than I spent building them, and they're like a year old and were LDO kits.
At the time, they were the go-to for speed and quality, but now I've ordered a Bambu. It'll be printing the parts to fix/upgrade my Vorons, among other things. My Vorons are for hobby tinkering, and the Bambu will be mainly for getting things fixed. (And multi-color prints.)
I'm very excited to see more Voron things come out, like better probes (Klicky let me down, and Tap isn't *quite* good enough to be standard yet, IMO, though I use it) and MMUs (ERCF V2 is getting there!) and such. Better part cooling on the toolhead is my #1 complaint at the moment, and I'd like to see things like filament cutters and flow sensors standard, like the A1.
I was waiting exactly for this. Meantime, while I was waiting for this I became the proud owner of everything else and now is the time for Voron... Or Sovol remixed Voron kit ;)
THX for video
Weird comparison. Should've compared it to a pre-built Voron. Ie a Troodon. I had my Voron V0 up and running within minutes of finalizing the wiring because someone had a config file for my exact setup. But these files don't always exist because every setup is different and people are hesitant to share config since they can cause trouble if used improperly.
My 2.4 came with a filament runout sensor. As did my V0. Most of the kits come with upgrades and such already made for you. I do wish the Voron team would upgrade things faster but comparing the work of volunteers to a company specializing in making 3D printers is both unfair.. And clickbaity.
I had a Sovol SV06+ and it printed great. Zero issues with it other than extremely weak cooling and proprietary nozzles. I donated it to my father. Then I built a 350mm V2.4
Why? Because I wanted a printer that was "mine". And now it's up and running and prints great.
I'm definitely getting one this summer
What I don't get is 100C limit on the bed in almost all the late printers. Why? Is it because of the Bambu having the same limitation? You would really benefit from 120 or even 130 on the bed when printing pure PA6 оr PC yet it seems manufacturers are inclined to draw the line on carbon or glass-filled filaments. Kinda disappointing.
In this case it is likely just being overly safe, 3m ht adhesive used to attach a lot of bed heaters is only good to about 120 +/- 10C so the voron guide suggests a 115C thermal fuse. Should be able to easily edit the cfg to up it to 110C. I don't think we've seen the underside of the bed but you can add a ring of RTV gasket silicone to be extra safe and push the temps a bit further no problem.
As someone who runs a lot of Voron 2.4 printers in my print farm this is extremely tempting!
How big is the machine? I would need to know if it can fit where I have space.
I gave dimensions in the video
Sovol giving back to the community is a wonderful amazing thing
Still can’t beat the flexibility and upgradability of my Voron. Building and customising the Voron is a big part of the fun and I can put all the things you mentioned into the build if I want. Want 500mm height? That’s totally fine. Change frame color? That’s fine too. Canbus? Who builds without it now?
For the price, it will be a compelling option for many, just not for me. Definitely agree with the software setup!
Looking forward to trying one myself 😊
I hope they include the option for a chamber heater along with the filtration you mentioned. Its starting to become very annoying that companies are missing this. Only Qidi is doing this with their printers, and its not under patent protection. Why can't Sovol just add it as an option and have it connected to a panel?
So, how do we know when the price wil be set? Are you going to publish another video? ( I am a new subscriber, so that would alert me 😅 )
I don't want to refresh the page like a maniac lol
I’ll post a comment or something when it’s on sale
Dude, you've always been 100% up front in all of your reviews. Why would we think otherwise about this round? Can't wait for the official launch. Looks like I'm gonna need a bigger boat ... er, table 😆
Legit question that no one is answering, what nozzle does it come with and what nozzles does it use? This is a major consideration for myself and others. Not into buying a machine just to have to retrofit a different toolhead right away. Thanks!
I answered this extensively. There’s a whole section about it….
@thenextlayer ya, just saw that. I need more coffee......
Knocking over the supports hint at slightly too much flow and the stringing can pretty sure be resolved with a tad less temperature.
Very hard to decide what printer to get next. Happy with what I have, but I am looking to add a faster printer.
This printer nows sits 3rd on my list
1) LNL Tenlog D3 pro, a IDEX 300x300x350 at $500, best bang for buck, although missing some of the recent flashy upgrades as mentioned in this video
2) bamboo lab
3) this one
Personally I would love to see a proper review of the LNL tenlog