Buying A Second Gen Camaro
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- čas přidán 9. 02. 2019
- In this vid we look at all the common areas of rust in a 70-81 second generation Camaro. This will help you buy a better project car.
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Russ, you hit on a lot more parts then I even thought to look at however with "Fast times" she is a T Top car and those tops leak damn near from the factory (or at least my 3rd Gens did). One thing that I did see on the second gens is that at least in Ohio they like to rust out at the front frame rails (unibody) and the mounts would rot out around the 10 year mark to the point where the rubber bushings were garbage and it made you wonder (I found this out after I totaled my '79) Please folks if you are rebuilding a Camaro make sure that you buy new body mounts and bolts for the car, it is money well spent, trust me
Thanks Darrin. That is an excellent point when it comes to the frames. I have seen folks repair that area using larger washers. I think they even sell a kit now. I agree, you definitely need to buy new bushings and bolts. I went with the DSE solid bushing kit for my 72 and will probably do the same for the 81. I want to add subframe connectors to both cars.
That's another great point on the 81 being a t-top car, that probably did attribute to alot of the rust in the dog leg area of the car. Thanks for the great comment!
The world is a better place with guys like this making informational CZcams videos.
Thanks for the kind words!
Them good ol’ boys are like gospel when it comes to fixing up old cars. Just found your channel and am a new subscriber!
They sure are. Thanks for subscribing and I hope you enjoy the videos.
Getting to the rust under a folded seam, use Evapo rust. If the part is small enough to put in a bin, if too big I set up a little $4 pump and a tarp. Put the hood on the tarp wirh a few 4 x 4 under it so it was tilted. Evapo rust runs over the seam with a vinyl hose clamped to the hood and the run off is picked up by the pump. Let it run for a day and it will remove any rust in the seam.
Good tip. Thanks for sharing.
I got a 79 Z28 still runs like new got it in high school. Love to find the right person to paint it for me
Boy if I were in the market for a 2nd gen I'd be watching this video twice! Great information. It will be interesting how you get to some of those area for repair.
Thanks Wyatt. It will be interesting for sure. I will have to come up with some kind of game plan.
Thanks a lot. I'm going to look at a 81 tomorrow and will be using this information.
This is great information to those obviously that can get access to all the nook and crannies of these 2nd gen (and even 1st gen Camaros). The problem is that when finding a car you are looking to buy that's all together , all the interior areas are just not going to be accessible. Areas in the cowl and under the floor footing especially. Usually a good gauge of how bad the decay in these cars are is to look at the trunk floor above, floor pans below and around the windshield glass and lower inside area of the doors. If you see rot, you know it's just about every where else. Especially from a car living in the northern areas for most of it's life.
Exactly Sky puppy. Sometimes on an assembled car it will make it difficult. Great comment and thanks for watching
Back in the 80's I did a total teardown rebuild of my 72. Day-um! This guy nailed it! Nice job! Up here in upstate NY its the rockers, lower rear front fenders, (obviously floor) and most of all that front portion of the rear unibody frame. Low corners of windshield too. But he nailed all of these. Please check the rear frame since it hold the leaf springs and is very prone.
Thank you, definitely the rear frame rails too on these cars, thanks for watching.
Hi Russ. I have been around these cars many years, you did a very good job on locating rust areas. See you next time.
Thanks Wiley. I hope it helps some folks when they start looking for one as a project.
Russ, Thanks for the great videos. Wished I had seen this one before I bought my 78. Now I have to go down to the garage and check it out. I am in the middle of my Jeep project and will be starting on my Camaro this spring/summer.
Thanks Jim. I hope it helps.
THANK YOU RUSS !! I GOT A 79 T-TOP JUST STARTING ON IT GREAT MOTIVATION AD INFORMATIVE VIDEOS..
Thanks Mike. I hope the vids help.
When I lived in the rust belt, the thing that always took these cars off the road was rear frame rail rust. I've seen a few so bad that the rear springs went up through the trunk or under the rear seat
Thank you for making this video, i’m 15 years old and im looking to get myself my first classic project car! My dream is a 1965 Ford Mustang, but Im also looking at the 2nd gen Camaros because the prices of the first gen mustangs are skyrocketing. I also just love the look of the 2nd gen camaros.
Good luck on your search. Either car would make a great project!
Thanks for the video, appreciate the time in putting it together.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for stopping by.
Great info, Russ. Will refer to this often when I start on my 2nd Gen. Thanks.
Thanks Indy. I hope it helps.
Same here, I've always said that myself. Once I dig into my Z I will be watching a lot of these vids for reference.
Excellent info Russ. I wish I had watched something like this before I bought mine. I lost count of how many hours I have in replacing sheet metal. So far I've replaced outer wheel houses, quarters, roof skin, driver side rocker, rear tail pan and inner tail pan, partial floor pans, trunk drop offs, trunk corners where braces mount, and cowl panel. All on your list. One other place I had rust was in the cowl area where the wiper motor mounts. There's a low spot in there that is a great place for junk to sit. This problem area will leak water into the car. A buyer might be able to see this by looking under the dash.
Dan, that is a good point on the rust at the wiper mounts. I haven't run into that, but I can see where it would have the potential to rust in that location. I wish I was as far a long as you on your metal replacement. I'll get there, someday. lol
Great information Russ. Thanks for sharing
Thanks George.
Great info. video Russ. I'm sure it will help others who are looking to buy a 2nd. gen. Camaro. That bondo tool is a neat tool to have. Wish I had dad one when I bought my 75 chevy pickup. Would not have had to buy a new bed a year later. That was in the mid 80s.
Thanks Roger. That tool is a pretty cool. It can definitely tell someone how thick the material is until it hits metal.
I like your late 70s z 28 my uncle has the exact same car except the t tops its so cool that your meticulously restoring this beaty
Thank you. I hope to be back on my 72 soon, with some new content
Great tips on what to look for Russ. Rust can be a real bummer on a project if you're not aware of it.
It sure can. Thanks Lloyd.
Wish I would have found this video about 8 months ago when I bought my 78 Rally Sport. I have been making a few videos of my current refreshing job on it and sure enough have found rust in just about all of the locations that you pointed out in this video.
For some reason this was in my spam folder. Sorry about the delay. Just subscribed to your channel. Looks like a great project. Hoping I can make some more vids soon. Thanks for stopping by.
Some great information! I will need to check some of these same spots on my 68.
Thanks Mike. I bet a first gen has similar rust in the same locations. Hopefully your car is not as rusty as this one.
Great info here for anyone in the market for one of these bad boys.
Thanks Dan!
Oh boy! Russ, I think you've now convinced me I don't need one! 😂 That feeling will only last as long as your next video coming out and watching you tinker, I'll want one all over again! 🙄😂😂
Lol. Thanks Niamh, yea all this rust really gives these projects a different look.
Just got my first camaro few months ago.
Watching the video step by step and cheking Doors and under.
Think i Lucky.
It Came to Norways in 07 just whit driven 150miles its a 75mod.
Always stored in garage in wintertimes.
And No rust yet😁👍
Cheking floors and rest in wintet but feelingen lucky👍
Nice! Thanks for watching!
Nice video Russ..... great info for anyone wanting to restore a 2nd gen Camaro. It looks like you have another F body in the garage.... I see a Red 4th gen in the background!!
Dkz, yep, that is a 94 Z model, belongs to my wife. We bought it almost new with 13k miles on it. It was her daily driver for years until she got pregnant with Sam, then we got her an SUV. We still drive it a few times a year.
Nice job Russ!
Thanks Jay
Nice info, brother thanks
Thanks Pharraway!
Thank you for posting this.
Glad it was helpful.
Man where were you 3 years ago before I bought mine... LOL You definitely have some rust on that car but your climate is a lot more friendly than mine. My Z came from Detroit and the doors are beyond salvageable. Great video, keep up the great work Russ!
LOl, Thanks Bart. It should make for a fun build. I hope you find some good doors for the Cursemaro. I'll keep an out for a set down here.
@@DoubleRRestorations Cool thanks man!
Some great advice Russ! So true, too with the typical areas prone to rust, window channels, lower A pillar corners, cowl panels, lower quarters, front floor pan corners, etc.If I had my choice I would look for South west cars for the best steel and pay to ship it, worthwhile in the long run.
I agree Jon. It's alot of money and time to restore one with alot of rust. Thanks.
Idaho 2nd gens where are you located in idaho?
@@MrAdambeltran Coeur D'Alene
Thank you very much for the details you provided
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Nice job Great info!
Thank you and thanks for watching
Great Video Russ
Thanks Roger.
I just ran into the same problem with the scope camera upgraded my phone and the outlet to plug it in is the same as your new phone as well.. and I find it quite hilarious that I purchased it to look for hidden rust in the same area that you are .. and I almost overlooked it as well. Without this video I just got a little laugh out of the same problems you're having.
Thanks fire fighter, lol, I did just by a new scope camera. I need to try it out on my new phone, hopefully it works
Hot Rod Filler Detective.... I need to see more! Can you make a video about this please?!
That's a great idea. Will do!
I really love this car, I’m in 10th grade and this year I’m planing on getting my license, getting a job and saving up to get one.
That sounds great! I'm so glad to see you younger guys liking these older cars. Hopefully this video gives you some ideas what to look for when you are looking for one. Thanks for the watching.
Double R Restorations yeah, this video will definitely be useful to me!
Awesome video. One critique, you forgot inside the trunk on the sides down in the big hole. Dirt gets collected in there and stays wet.
Good point. Thanks and thanks for watching.
Russ, I bought a very clean and rust free 79 Z28 about seven years ago. But after watching this I wonder if it really is rust free! Thanks for the advice!
Blake, hopefully it is rust free. Thanks for stopping by.
Hi. Found your channel through Str8Six Fan and Olde Carr Auto Guy's Livestream. Camaro's All the way.
Awesome. Thanks for stopping by. I have been meaning to catch them live.
@@DoubleRRestorations it's well worth the half hour of your time. Hope to catch you there soon.
Very helpful thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Great information
Glad it was helpful!
Hey, I like that filler meter!
Thanks Tom. Its a neat tool for sure. Thanks for stopping by.
Me and my dad bought a 78 camaro with 0 rust bc it was in Las Vegas it’s whole life then we moved to michigan and my dad had to drive through a snowstorm to avoid tornadoes. Now there is surface rust all over the underside were working on getting off
Yea, rust is devastating to our Camaro's . Thanks for watching
very good video.
Thanks Rod.
I think I'll source my 2nd gen from the South West
Hello! Just found your channel and I'm loving it. I own first and second gen camaro 68 and 73 one in Netherlands, and I wanted to ask someone with your experience, do you recommend reproduction parts from chinese manufacturers like AMD, Dynacorn and so on? Is thickness in metal noticable and do they actually line up? If you have time please answer. Thank you!
I have been using AMD replacement parts and I really like them. Metal thickness seems to be the same if not better than oem. I have used some nos GM panels as well. All will require some work. Thanks Russ
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Mine is real bad behind the front fenders by the door, its can only be seen with the fenders off so send it
Russ, a very informative video. I purchased a PA 1980 Z28 that "appeared" to be a solid driver but upon further research, that back window took water and it went all the way to the trunk gutter! Upon reaearch, rebuilding that will be a bitch and now it looks like I will need to also check the package tray extensions. I have found 2 different fabrication shops that "might" tackle this project. What is your guestimate on getting this repaired?
Sorry Jarry. I just saw this, it went into my spam folder for some reason. It's really to difficult to say without looking at the car. Most shops will quote a time and material rate, cause once you get into it, you usually find some other issues as well
have watched alot of your overkill videos now this one what are your thoughts on blasting vs chem dipping the car thanks
I prefer the blasting, especially on the inner structure, once cleaned it leaves a good tooth for epoxy. You do have to be careful on outer sheet metal and most times I prefer to mechanical strip those panels. With chemicals, there is always some type of neutralization that has to take place to be able to prep the metal for paint. Great question and thanks for watching.
Great video. I don't think mine 1978 z28 would be an issue since it was kept in a garage for 32 years. Rust free Texas car. But I will do a follow-up check-up to make sure of that.
I did upload a video of my camaro please feel free to check it out.
Will do, that sounds like a nice rust free camaro!
i have a 1977 camaro the thing is a rust bucket hahaha but it runs 10s so FTW
This is good for where to look for rust when restoring, but a lot of it is NOT for buying. Are you going to tell a buyer, yeah let me just look around for rust, and start peeling off window trim, pulling carpet, taking seats out, taking body peices off? Some of it you can tell from outside the car. Paint bubbling in certain areas, look under/behind the rear bumper, etc.
True, alot of it depends on the kind of car your buying and alot of these you can still inspect from the outside. Thanks for watching.
Hey Russ. I know this video is pretty old but what brand of door stand do you have there?
It started out as a Parts Tree from Auto Twiler. There are a few vids on the channel where I modified it to aid in removing and installing the doors.
Booya 😎
Just bought a 78 z28 silver paint just like the thumbnail lol
Welcome to the madness! lol. I hope you enjoy the channel. We are all about the second gens here.
Anywhere in New York State!
David, I'm in VA.
I really like that filler detective, cool beans😅
@christopherhuot2826 Its a cool tool for sure.
Will these same tips work for second gen firebirds?
Lawrence, I have no experience with firebirds, but I would think that they would since they are so similar.
I have a 1980 Camaro and I have water coming in when I go through the car wash on the passenger side right near where the right foot would be. I confirmed that it doesn't come in if I cover over the cowl vent. When the cowl vent isn't covered a fair bit comes in. Less comes in when the A/C is turned on and the cowl vent flap closed, but it still comes in. Any idea where it might be getting into the car and how I could fix it? Also, in the winter for example you wouldn't have the A/C on so the cowl flap would be open and if you went through the car wash in that situation lots of water comes in. I could permanently cover the cowl vent but that doesn't seem like a very good solution. Thanks
It possible it could be from the kick panel. There is some sealant between the metal and the kick panel that may have broken down over the years. I have used plumbers putty in this area with success.
Also I know my 81 has a rust hole inside the cowl above the first hinge that would allow water in the cabin, so that may also be a possibility.
@@DoubleRRestorations Thanks for replying. That sounds like it could be the cause. I will give the plumbers putty a try.
Would you recommend a 17 year old car novice get one of these fully restored? I'd be using it as a daily driver and would like to know what I should worry about and how to care for these particularly. I'd be getting a 79 z28 Camaro. Thank you for your time sir!
Sorry for the delay, I dont think I would recommend one of these as a daily driver. Maybe as a second car, driven on nice days. They dont do well in bad weather, and are not that great on fuel savings. They are cool to drive though. A fully restored 79 can run upwards of 20K, and at that point to me it becomes an investment. I think one driven daily would quickly start to go down in value. Thanks for watching
@@DoubleRRestorations Thanks for the reply, sir! I was honestly not expecting a reply at all, so you getting back to me is really appreciated. If you do not mind, what type of issues does bad weather cause these cars? I would be getting a restored one and most of the ones I found have new engines in them, so is the bad weather issue something that was an issue with the old engine? Could I not also put on winter tires for the winter? The question I'm asking is, wouldn't bad weather not be much of an issue since the engine is a new engine? Also, I am 17 and my parents said when i was 12 if I get A average in school every year till i graduate, they will buy me a car for my 18th birthday. So far, i have only gotten a B+ once since then, so price is not really a concern considering most nice cars brand new nowadays are well over 20k. Thank you for taking your time to read this, and i look forward to your reply!
Well these cars are rear wheel drive, so they dont typically go that well in bad weather. Are you looking at restored cars with LS engines? That would be a good choice if you plan to drive it daily. It would be alot more reliable with one of those.
@@DoubleRRestorations yes sir, a ls swap is the plan!
i been trying to find someone that knows camero good i have a 79 z28 rs t top with the full spoiler kit from factory were it has spoilers in front and in back of all wheels and it is on the option sheet so far i can not find any camero that has the full spoiler kit on it i'm wondering how rare is my car i was told it was one of a kind from the former owner and i got it for free so the guy had no reason to lie about it and he said i would never find another one like it so far he has been right and most of the z28 rs camero's have stickers for the gills but mine has the gills plus it has power windows and locks he said when he got it new he ordered every option he could and it has disc breaks on the back don't think it is factory did not find it on the option sheet but i get rigs for free all the time
Sounds like a highly option 79Z for sure. The spoilers are what I like the most about the late second gens. With the right stance and the spoiler package they just look really good. The rear disc are probably added, but are a very nice and desirable upgrade for sure.
I wanna get one 😂 so bad.. but I would just get one as a collectible..
That would probably be the best, find one that is the color and has all the options you want. I think it's cheaper to buy them vs build. Thanks for watching
i got 2 79 hard top z28 and 1 79 z28 rs t top with the full spoiler kit from factory it is on the option sheet got all 3 for free all are rust free good clean bodies one has no engine was a show car has new interior the other 2 one is t top have factory paint ok condition i have nothing like u are showing on all of them but i live in a high desert so it is real dry here . i get a lot of rigs rust free for free mostly pu's .i just can't turn down a free good project car or pu or real cheap like no more then 300 . i got a 55 2 door post rust free for 300 bucks sold it in a week for 2000 with no engine or trans . just picked up a 79 chevy 4x4 short box cheyenne full option truck with under 35,000 miles on it in mint condition been parked in a shop its hole life got it for free just had to put a new fuel pump and clean the carb and i got a really nice truck been offer by supper chevy 12,000 but they told me to come back when the big boss was in too get more they said it is worth a lot and the boss will give me more for it but they did not have the permission to go higher . but i would never sell it but i do want to put a different color ugly green it has just in real good condition and repaint will lower the value of it . every time i drive it people want to buy it . it so far been my best free deal right now i am building a 68 pu very clean truck very few dings put a stroked 454 in it the camaro is the next project got a 454 ho with a 4 speed or heavy duty 400 turbo got it with 6000 miles on it for free . i know a trick to get good crate engines cheap or free . and all the 454 are stroked with steel crank and heavy rods witch saves about 6000 bucks on a build
Thats awesome man, I have always been a little jealous of those rust free cars. I'm pretty much here is the rust belt from all the road salt. Thanks for watching
Lol after watching this I'm afraid to look any further. Already doing the floor where needed all the front and rear of quarter panels and front fender rears
Thankfully for guys like us restoring these cars, they are reproducing alot of the parts we need.
Man, was considering buying a second gen Camaro but after watching i lost interest . Great content btw, thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Luckily most aren't this bad. I'm in the rust belt. If you shop around you can still find alot of nice ones.
@@DoubleRRestorations live there too, northeast, tristate area.
@ELVER if you dont want rust stay away from the t top trim. look for a berlinetta or a RS or even a type lt NON t top version
My 1980 was rusted badly on the battery tray
Yes sir, good point. Both of mine had to be replaced as well
@@DoubleRRestorations i DID find one in a salvage that was rusted pretty bad but was able to use my dremal and sand it down and then put rust inhibitor on it and painted it.
is this rust something you'd expect for the average second gen camaro?
Depends on a few factors, basically if the car was driven daily in the rust belt areas of the country, then yes. If the car is from Texas or Arizona then the rust should be minimal. For the most part I would say yes. There are still some rust free ones out there though. Great question. Thanks for watching
That’s a badass camaro 79? 80?
Thanks, 81, but will be a 78-79 Fast Times at RidgeMont High Tribute car.
@@DoubleRRestorations Awesome idea
I would expect rust on any 45 yo car . my 81 Z has rust on rear deck under the trunk lid
Always garaged since I bought it in 83
Absolutely. Yes that is a common area for these cars as well. What color combo is your Z.
@@DoubleRRestorations
Midnight Blue / silver and gray int. and graphics
@@ezrabrooks7785 oh nice. That's a great color combo!
My 80 Z Canadian car bought in High school in 88' seen (Fast Times ) said i gotta get one...still have it all numbers matching LM1 TTops N90 wheels Black with Standard Vinyl Carmine /AT pwr Windows no AC . Original paint and decals little rust coming though in most these areas. Really bad on trunk lid..always get water on floor on pass side front..still cant figure out where its coming from.
@@SF80CAMARO Sounds like a nice car. It's great that you still have it after all these years. Those leaks are hard to find for sure.
2nd gen with t tops? Everywhere.
Yes, Ttops made it rough for these cars.
you can say that again
Are you going to live long anough to finish this car. Lol.
Lol, Well tomorrow isn't promised to any of us. If I don't, somebody has a good start on it. Lol. Thanks for watching.
@@ratj4715 She wants the 72. Lol. My oldest daughter wants this 81. I hate to think of what a gallon of gas will cost when Sam is 50. Lol
@@ratj4715 I have told them that if something did happen to me before I finished them, for them to sell them to someone that would finish them, not to let them sit in a garage for years and years.
Double R Restorations Can i have the 72. I must say i watch a lot of them today thinking by the end I would see one or both done. Boy was i wrong. These cars will be better than new. You won’t want to drive them by the time your done. They don’t got to be this perfect. Get one done so you can enjoy it. Does everything you do got to be this perfect and if so how does your wife live with it. Lol.
Double R Restorations By the way i did get hook and subscribed got to see the end after watching so many. The only thing is am 60 I might not make it until the end.
I had to stop watching... I’m about to dive into a mine and I don’t even want to know now. Cars been sitting for 20 years ...
Hopefully it's not too bad. The good news is they reproduce alot of sheet metal for these cars now. Thanks for watching.
Double R Restorations is there a preferred place you shop?
@@jacquesmcconnell7472 I mainly price shop everything, eBay and amazon are two of my favorites, but the customer service at Jegs is great. NPD and Camaro Central are close to me, so there shipping is really quick.