Pep Guardiola or Sir Alex? 😍 Jordan & Souness discuss who's the greatest EVER Premier League manager
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Given that Sir Alex was able to flourish as he did under the glazers ownership is enough to make him the greatest football manager of all time.
And he knew when to get out to best ever manager of all time don’t think no one will get near him
All he had to do is beat Arsenal,then it became Arsenal and Chelsea,then Arsenal,Chelsea and City,then Liverpool,and Sir Purplenose thought "Better get out of here,l will get found out",and don't forget all the refs that gave them pens when they struggled and the unfunny "Fergie time".Peps done it in other countries he blows Purplenose out the water
I have nothing but respect for fergie. This lad could win the prem with an avarge premier league team. He didnt need 11 star players at the bench to sub in (like city), he just needed players with character and winner instinct thats it.
@@thesadarsenalfan3319 fergie was European champions with Aberdeen winning in the final against Real Madrid. That’s equivalent to peps time at Barca basically
And there was always a challenger firstly we was knocking Liverpool of their perch Blackburn Newcastle them Arsenal an so on.. greatest Eva…
Fergie built United up from the depths it was at when he took over. Pep spent half a billion in his first 2 years in a club that was already built for success
Alex can not even speak other lenguage.. and you say is the best? you must to be a circus clown...
He did it 3 times, building new squads
he has the class of 92 and then bought every top player. ronaldo, rio, rooney etc
@@marcelohendrix6139
What did he have before the class of 92 fella?
Fergurson first title winning team was the most expensive team in British football history
Nobody comes close to Ferguson if it's an English-based discussion. Did it with young players; did it with superstars; showed he could rebuild without a huge budget at times. And managed the task of winning this tough league and winning the European Cup at the same time. Unrivalled for now.
Fergie is Scottish...
@@gavin7miller "English-based"
As a City fan and Pep guy it's Sir Alex
I know this is just for Premier League we are talking about but for Pep to be better than Sir Alex in world football with City he needs to win Champions League, win a treble or more, AND Pep needs to stay long term. Sir Alex has the reps and the stats.
Great honest post we need more people like you. Rival fan but an honest one. Salute you sir.
@@tonyh8965 🍻 Thank you mate, Growing up my mum was a blue and my dad was a red 😂 both from Bury then they moved to Essex. So I had to make a choice on a club, chose City purely because Ian Curtis from Joy Division (a band I love) supported City then the next thing I know we got a boat load of money lol
So I watched the Man United dominance thru my dad's fandom and City's woeful times in leagues below as a kid and if your a football fan, Sir Alex is easily the best premier league manager/UK manager and most likely the best in all of Football (Ancelotti probably 2nd then Pep 3rd for me all time)
Pep does have potential to eclipse both Sir Alex and Ancelotti but it all hangs on if he stays super long term at the club and for the modern game I can't see that happening.
@@artminusme can you get any deeper up Tony's hole..
Pep won that treble and if he wins the Prem that’s 4 in a row and won manager of the year in Europe.
sir Alex didn't leave a team for the future because he didn't plan for his retirement. he made the decision to retire more than half way through his last season due to family reasons. he has described the whole ordeal in great detail in his book and also many many interviews.
I cant believe this ... sir Alex...without question. Greatest manager of all time
Bullocks, Utd was never feared by the big Clubs of Europe as City is today. Just ask them.
@@raybrooking8084 City so feared in Europe that they've yet to lift the trophy. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 PS Manchester United were the first English club to win the champions league back in the 60s. You have the same amount of Champions leagues as Arsenal, Spurs, and every other current PL club except for United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Forest and Villa. 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
Pep inherited a team with messi,iniesta,xavi,puyol… Then went to a team that had just won the CL. Then went to City who had a decent squad and had already won the league when he got there. How this is even a debate is crazy.
@@raybrooking8084 I cant even respond to that . Its too stupid
@@raybrooking8084 hahahahha they haven't won in Europe you melt
Ralf Rangnik, for me. He took United to levels, United fans have never seen before!
@@elnino9772 Oh dear... Is that what happened to you ?
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@@mikeirvine1734 He's following the blueprints drawn up by Ralf and Fat Frank...to the letter!
@@mikeirvine1734 Hilarious man🤣🤣🤣
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Isn’t it ironic that Pep’s two Champion league wins with Barca were over two of Fergie’s best Utd’s teams. Where they outclassed and frankly destroyed Utd.
Pep for me
Yes but that was for Barcanot for City and this is about the EPL!!
Well, that was the greatest club team ever that beat Man Utd twice in 3 years. Any other team Fergie would have beaten, and maybe he could have done better in the first final but jesus, Pep took over a team with prime Xavi, Iniesta, forever in his prime Leo Messi with an amazing supporting cast in David Villa, Pedro, Busquets, Dani Alves. This doesn't make Pep the greatest PL manager however, not even close. Sir Alex Ferguson churned out championship winning teams every few years to keep the winning regular enough and turn Manchester Utd in to a commercial giant - something clubs like Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona were wanting to become.
Look at Man Utd now? The Glazers have taken $1.5b out of the club, put nothing in. Debt is still at £600m from the point of takeover. Dividends, bonus are coming out every year for Glazers, interest payments are going out every year and the club is still running - Man Utd spent over £1b on transfers (flops or not) - that is ridiculous that the club is still existing. Such is the power and reach of this club, how much longer it will last under the owners is another matter but just look at Barcelona. There are levels and Fergie help make Manchester United the global icon in the Prem Era, no club at the their highest or lowest grabs attention like them.
Edit: Sorry for the essay. Fergusons impact was more than Utd, PL domination.
Just a guy: That wasn't the question, stop moving the goalposts
Sure Fergie's team beat them in the semi-final around that time but no doubt that Barca team were magical.
@@kennyp9616 2008
There isn't even a debate. Sir Alex was a monster.
Ferguson hands down and that's coming from an Arsenal fan. Look at the Man Utd side he won the premier league with before he retired.
Wenger never spent more than 10Mil for a defender till Mustafi was signed and still qualified for CL 20 years in a row. If he had the option to spend as much as our competitors he would have signed every top player that came to EPL after we moved to the Emirates. So the comparison between the managers is not legit without applying proper context.
In trophies Ferguson wins, in what he has contributed to football Pep Guardiola wins.
@@Alice-th9lu Thank you. Someone with a brain. Im not an Arsenal or United fan (I dont support anyone in the premier league) but people overlook the fact that Arsene Wenger defeated Ferguson at a time where Ferguson was already established and had all the power, money and coverage. United were a franchise when Arsene came along with his few quid and took a few titles from ferguson. Arsene Wenger doesn't get enough cfredit for what he did. Chelsea's cash injection took a bigger hit towards Arsenal than it did against united because Arsenal were still significantly smaller than United. United were big enough to take Chelsea's hit. How people forget.
Look at the referees. Pep is clear of this fraud and his aftermath shows it. No philosophy left behind HAHAHA
@@Alice-th9lu How about this for proper context fergie won the Scottish title with Aberdeen the last team to win league title outside of the old firm, and won Cup winners Cup beating Real Madrid in final and bayern munich in run, there's no comparison fergie was another level to wenger
Anyone who says Pep must be too young to remember how huge Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson were. Together they were the premier league and I hated every minute of their reign 😂
These guys literally ignore the fact that Wenger single-handedly built Arsenal a new Stadium and made sure he stabilized the finances at Arsenal throughout the decade in which he wasn't getting much silverware! The current financial stability of the Gunners is partially down to Wenger's legacy over his last decade as a manager!
Wenger hasn't even got his cscs card so doubt he built a stadium as he wouldn't be aloud on site
Wengerball existed long before Man City or prime Barca were a thing, the media bias against him is real...
@@oghaze9318 As a Man united fan I disliked Arsene but now I think it's disgraceful he never gets a mention
@@oghaze9318 it was nowhere near Barca or city's ball today let's be real 6 trophies 99 points and 4 trophies in a season 100 points
@@CollinY818 That's because back then defenders actually defended, you had to be a special team to get 3-0 scorelines regularly let alone more than 5 wins in a row, now any team can win 4-0 and go on a 10 game unbeaten run
The fact that Souness can't summarise Pep's tactical legacy beyond "playing out from the back" demonstrates just how clueless he is about modern football. He has no place providing insight in today's game tbh. He's the archaic grandad who can only tell you about the game from the 80s. Irrelevant
Shut up he played in a better team than citys and won three European cups something those City players can't even win once.
What's that got to do with his validity as a modern day pundit? Keep your low IQ comments to yourself. Muppet
@@paulmcnamara9272 imagine Souness’ team trying to get near De Bruyne, Silva, Rodri, Gundogan and Foden passing in triangles around them
@@Harry65921 imagine how Mourinho destroyed Tiki taka twice at Inter and Madrid.
@@Harry65921 He way better player than they were. He won way more as well including three European cups something they couldn't even it win it once.
For Premier League it's Fergie and I don't think anyone can argue.
As a tactician Pep is far superior. As a motivator Fergie is far superior.
Overall Pep built better teams and played better football. And I think the trophies count will be close too by the end.
But in terms of influencing football in this country it's Wenger and Pep.
Fergie was a winner, but not a revolutionary.
Pep is not a revolutionary, there’s some evolution but everything he does has been seen before.
Pep prevented Ferguson from being in the greatest ever argument by tea bagging SAF in two CL finals. Had Ferguson won those & had 4 CL’s it’s a different conversation. Ferguson is the most successful boss domestically, his European record lets him down.
Yup, Ferguson got schooled in those two CL finals.
@@thelimey351 come on. That team has a prime messi, xavi and iniesta. That team was unbeatable!
Class of 92 says different.
@@goncaloamaral7846 in reality you can’t truly come up with something new in football that hasn’t been done before, but you can’t deny Wenger and Pep influenced the league like no other
It's insulting to think Wengers name doesn't even get a mentioned. players themselves mention how Wenger introduced suppliments and no drinking before games and so on . To think people have forgot he changed the English game
No wonder Souness doesn't mention him. He took away his pint 😭
Recency bias. Wenger changed the game like no one before him.
Wenger only won 3 league titles and his last win was in 2004 which is 18 years ago. Ferguson was managing and winning titles right up until 2013. Not even comparable.
SAF built his team from scratch and restructured the whole club from what he inherited, which incidentally wasn't very great. Hence the reason why it took him a while to get started. PG inherited a decent squad and a blank cheque to go and buy whatever he wanted. There is a big difference. SAF did the same at Aberdeen, where PG has walked into good clubs in previous managerial positions with decent sized budgets and a good group of players. The test would be, PG walking into a club like SAF walked into and seeing what he can do with that club. I would love to see how far he would get if he became the new Utd manager now...
@John Wilson World class football? 50 times more difficult to win games like that? What are you on about?
@John Wilson Sounds like you're a deluded City fan!
I’m a Celtic fan and don’t particularly like United but to say they were simply effective is mad. They were completely electric to watch for the majority of the Ferguson years. Drinking too much of the pep kool aid making you oversimplify things
@@BigNaz1 Yeah Nasar an Oil City F.C fan since 2012 🇾🇪👹🇾🇪👹 .
@John Wilson Maybe you've got a thing for Pep. Or you seriously lack football knowledge!
Wengers is gold,something no other manager has,he made the English game great again…
Its funny how the media try to change history to you young ones... Wenger is defintely a great .. not only on the pitch but off the pitch too..his intelligence is unmatched, humanitarian, i garuntee there are more ex players who love wenger over fergie etc
Wenger had a great impact on the league sure but his last year's were of stagnation and stubbornness to change. SAF's longevity and success for almost his entire utd career puts him firmly at the top of the tree. I'd rate wenger higher than pep though
No body is talking about love. If you want that go and read an LGBTQAP++ publication. In a man's game it is all about football style and winning.
Souness saying Wenger is not in the conversation is hilarious, He literally changes football culture in England.
Wengers last 10 years were not great though. He did well considering they built a stadium and that took finances away from transfers but it tainted his legacy in this conversation.
OK but how many league titles did he win?
We are discuss results tropies amd success not the culture of clubs pal
I thought that as well. Wenger literally changed the way people thought about football, the way players trained, everything. He brought a level of tactical sophistication to the game that just wasn’t there before, similar to what Pep is doing now. Granted, Ferguson won more trophies and won consistently through his management so his legacy is probably better but still, Wenger can’t just be dismissed like that
Mourinho is ahead of Wenger.
Greatest will be Ferguson for sure but there are managers who brought different approach and impact in Premier League first would be Arsene Wenger then Mourinho now Pep and Klopp.
What has Klopp done ? 1 premier league title in 6 years, it is an insult to put him in the conversation.
Lol, Ranieri would have been the better choice to put in there..
Klopp is a flopp, Loserpoops
@@ih4447 well to be fair, City has won some of them, although it still might be kinda underwhelming. I mean, he still has some second place finsishes. City is not a bad team remember , so you could say it is disappointing but in my opinion at least, it goes both ways. Also klopp made the champions league final with dortmund in 2013. Longevity wise i agree he is not in the Convo yet, but neither is pep, since he has only been at City one more season than klopp. At their best as managers , sure, pep might be better, but they both have their strengths and weaknesses. And pep has had and still has a lot of great players . Both are the best now, but imo it all comes down to preference. I dont know, just my opinion 🤷♂️⚽️⚽️🤔 for me it's also about having a ceiling raiser and a floor raiser. Ceiling raiser means you as a manager make a already good team, great. While a floor raiser makes a bad/decent/average team a better team/ a good team, maybe even great. Pep is the first and klopp is a floor raiser. None of them is better than the other. But lets not pretend that klopp has been a bad manager. Thats just not right imo. Say what you want, but as a city fan and Barcelona fan myself , i think klopp gets overlooked sometimes. If thats down to tactics or style of play, i dont know. But klopp is one of the pl goat managers as much as guardiola.
@@ih4447 klopp rebuild Liverpool as a whole since he’s arrival in 2016, he won every trophy you possible could amongst giants like city and United and their billions spent.
And he’s brought in some of the most entertaining football styles in years
@@seandaly7020 yeah thats what i mean aswell. I just think it's important to remember that although pep guardiola has had to perform with all the great players he has managed, he still has had alot of financial resources to buy players, especially at City. Yeah fair enough, you could say that about others aswell ,like Ancelotti, those Milan teams were amazing. And real madrid and etc. But compared to klopp, klopp, although having some financial abundance at liverpool aswell, might not have had the same as city has. Just my opinion.😃🤷♂️🤔⚽️
I think there being a bit unfair to Wenger, won the premier league, brought some fabulous players to England, qualified regular for the champions league without spending crazy transfer fees, selling players for a profit, which all in turn help fund the new stadium. Great Legacy.
Wenger was ahread of Fergie in many ways.
Hes not in the conversation, he wasnt a polific winner like Sir Alex amd Pep, he isnt in the same league. Get over it
Pep has never won anything with an average squad of players to my knowledge. Sir Alex won the European title with Aberdeen. You can’t even compare them. Yes Pep can get elite players to play a very particular way and it’s very good but I doubt he could turn an average club with limited budget into title contenders.
And you can't compare European football in 83 to modern times, he won it twice in 20 odd year with United, hardly prolific.
Did Sir play average players at United?
Bingo!
Pep needs to manage in the premier League for 20 years to compare the both
pep has never been an average manager to ever manage an average team...
SAF built it from scratch. He didn’t inherit anything
Spot on
What did pep inherit?
A team of oldies???
@@saranshsharma4005 He inherited a club with bottomless pockets. Plus an existing squad that was capable of winning the league.
@@adam_p99 To be fair the defence Pep inherited had an average age of 32
@@adam_p99 So you’re saying Utd didn’t have the money and monopoly to buy all the players they wanted at the time.
Come off it
Pep changed the way modern football is viewed today.
His barcelona team is the pinnacle of club football , the amount of imitators that team created speaks volumes about their impact to the present game.
can't compare Pep to a 442 merchant.
They are comparing in the PL not what that lemon did in Spain, you maggot.
The fact that you've basically described Sir Alex Ferguson as just a 442 merchant makes your opinion on anything football related irrelevant
You're right. You can't compare Pep to the greatest football manager of all time.
bro, celtic and rangers were the equivalent of current day man city in the scottish league. Aberdeen were like your current day brighton. Ferguson came into Aberdeen and won 3 leagues...Pep is nowhere near him.
Aberdeen had started the 1979-80 season poorly but their form improved dramatically in the new year and they won the Scottish league that season with a 5-0 win on the final day. It was the first time in 15 years that the league had not been won by either Rangers or Celtic
Arsene Wenger took Arsenal from big team in England to the global stage. Arsene's greatest legacy is, he helped build a stadium in London that will help bank-roll the club for the future...
Souness is doing Wenger a disservice here I think.
Arsene Wenger changed the way people thought about football, similar to Pep in that way. He changed the way players trained, the way players ate (and drank), and the way a football moved around the pitch. He brought a level of tactical sophistication that hadn’t been seen before. You’d have Sunday league teams trying to move the ball as fluidly as the invincibles, just like how now you have Sunday league teams trying to play out from the back with inverted wingers and false 9s, etc.
Granted, he didn’t achieve those consistently high levels past the decade mark, and because of that Fergie’s legacy is probably greater. But he nevertheless had a massive impact while winning a lot of trophies, especially in the early years. His achievements weren’t just down to a “knowledge of French football”, it was much more extensive than that
U wot m8
As a united fan, I think the biggest influence on the prem is without doubt Arsene Wenger. Before Wenger, players were beer drinking, burger eating, un-athletic footballers. Then Wenger came and everybody realised what was needed.
As a United fan, you should know that way before Wenger, Fergie ripped the heart of the drinking culture out of Old Trafford.
@@dopelyrics6223 only have history to cling to now eh? Relegation this season for Ushited?
@@jg5622 JG you silly sausage. Whether United get relegated or not is irrelevant. I was pointing out what Fergie did to the drinking culture at Old Trafford.
Maybe you should stick to tiddlywinks and leave football chat to the big boys. 🤣🤣
Wenger Effected Fitness
Guardiola Effected Football
Its delusional and wishful thinking to state that United will get relegated based on the first two games of the season
All this men built teams,Wenger built a stadium, sold his best players and finished top 4 and still played lovely football. None of this coaches given the same task would achieve the same results.
Played lovely football and invincibles aren't synonymous. The invincibles played similar to the high press of klopp rather than the passing football they are for some wierd reason remembered by now by nostalgia merchants. Infact it was due to wenger switching from pace power to possession football that led to the downfall of arsenal as they didn't win a Premier league since.
Daniel levy built a better stadium through prudent financial discipline... are we now going to laud him for that. Wenger apologists have the same few talking points which they harp on about
@@asimqazi1943 We pressed like Klopp when we didn't have the ball. Its a system that has been at ARSENAL since Henry to Aubamayeng. Lacazette would drop in the mid like the way berkamp did. Overlapping fullbacks Lauren and Ashley Cole just like Belerin and Teirney. Tony and the boys held a high offside trap we did it with likes of Mete and Mustafi which led to Cech winning the golden glove but Giroud goes a whole half a season without scoring. Arsenal has played the same for over 20yrs the difference is perssonel and mindset. We lost the likes of Gilberto and Viera Tony Pires that's mindset we never replaced.
@@asimqazi1943 How many trophies has Dany levy won? How many of his best players did he have to sell ? They is no way Arsene would have had Harry Kane a 3 time top scorer and assist leader and won nothing. Please don't bring up a club that doesn't match up to Arsene let alone Arsenal. This man changed English football not my words. Arsene changed how the game is played in and outside of the pitch. From diets(the whole of Europe copied that) scouting(when everyone was sleeping on the french league Wenger was there since 03/04 invincible season we have seen likes Drogba Mahrez Kante Hazard from Ligue 1) transfers (buy a player for nothing sell him on a profit) if Ferguson is the ultimate winner in the Epl and if he is your goat makes a lot of sense anyone else is a joke ting. It's the Giggs vs Henry argument. The winner vs the invincible
@@Khatamoga wenger inherited his defence which was the best at the time, signed high profile players which only young and naive arsenal fans think were unknown at the time (Henry was literally sold because he was unable to displace del piero the highest paid player that time not because he was bad but because del piero was crazy good before his injury). The Premier league was also incredibly less competitive that time than it is now with prem league revenues actually stagnating between 1997 and 2005 as people preferred serie a and la liga over Premier league. Wenger was a great manager but young fans have a habit of waxing lyrically about wenger and the good ole days when infact they were not the greatest side and poor in Europe. I mean juventus had an unbeaten season in 2011 after they had finished two seasons prior as 7th in the league. You don't see them bragging about it. The invincibles were lucky just like juventus. Total points matter not whether you lost a match or not
Jose is the greatest premier league manager
For the simple reason he ended sir Alex rain unlike pep who came to EPL at a time when no club had the dominant Force
He ended SAF reign? He won in 2005 and 2006, SAF won 2007, 2008, 2009. By the Maureenio was gone. Get the facts right!
Fergie is greatest. Wenger made it attractive and non-monopolised (non-Bundesliga/PSG). After that, it's the financial doping era.
To be fair financial doping has always been in football it's just that the scale was always going to get bigger
@@rohithraman6488 The ever widening gap between the "have and have nots" is very destructive.
@@jimboyd1277 Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho are the 3 best for me
Pep over fergie all day long. The football and style of play is top notch. Pep also schooled fergie twice in the champions league final
Fergie over pep all day long (in the prem). 1) Fergie rebuilt a club at least three different times at three different eras. 2) Fergie won the treble with united, which pep hasn't won (in the prem). 3) Fergie has 3 ucls, and pep doesn't even have one. 4) Fergie has more premier league titles than pep. 5) Fergie has greater longevity. 6) Fergie can win the prem with different players and different generations - look at the 90s winning team compared to the 2013 winning team.
Pep came in and won the league. Great! But two managers had done the same. Ferguson came in and won with a mediocre team. 23 years never out of top three. Man City are great because of money. Chelsea the same. The owners are the ones. Pep has done great at a big club with money. Congratulations but twenty years? But nonsense to say he left the next guy a burning wreck. That is hyperbole.
It’s relative really, united during ferguson’s reign spent the most during the 90’s so money talks in football; it’s just got out of control financially
True, but Pep has created arguably the greatest side English football has ever seen! Winning in style every season, and not any style the total football style! Every team and I mean every team in the world today try to play the way Pep plays! In terms of the overall legacy I have never seen any football manager that was able to revolutionize football the way Pep has done! However, SAF still edges it for me as the greatest football manager of all time, but I also believe it's only a matter of time before we start calling Pep that! Also never forget that he had created the absolute best football team ever existed anywhere anytime Barcelona 2009 - 2012! You can't even do the things they were doing on a playstation, Fifa/ PES whatever! They were that good! Man City are on top because of money and Chelsea as well, but isn't it ironic that Man United have done far worse when they started to pour money like crazy! It just goes to show you that money alone doesn't bring you success, it just brings you more options! All in all as a Chelsea fan, I have never felt exhausted about a premier league season the way I do now because of City, and that was exactly the feeling I had when Fergie was there! Those two sides just completely break your fucking spirit, you can do the double over them and they still manage to clinch the title away from you 😂
Jose Mourinho was great at Chelsea
@@rohithraman6488 He was fantastic! Brilliant. What a team he built. Until he wasn’t! Then he got himself fired.
@@frankford1115 He got fired cause the players were a disgrace. I am a Chelsea fan who watched most of our games that season, the players who played so well the season before to win the league just couldn't care less, Hazard had to wait until January to score his first goal IN ALL COMPETITIONS, and even that was a penalty against MK Dons, Ivanovic was rubbish, Costa was rubbish, Fabregas was rubbish, Matic, etc. I liked them at Chelsea overall but they were a disgrace that season. The only regular players who performed to their potential were Willian and Zouma
Spurs fan here, imo Ferguson is hands down the best manager in the history of football. No questions asked.
In the premier league yes, "in the history of football no questions asked" that's disrespectful to a lot of great managers
Of course there's a questions to ask. What a ludicrous statement.
@@yester9037 whos better?
@@chriswilliamson7694 do you have another candidate? When it comes to achivements Ferguson were/are nr 1.
@@windrider6124 , I have plenty. Rinus Michels, Brian Clough, Helenio Herrera, Jock Stein, Udo Lattek, Otto Rehagel, Tele Santana etc. etc. I'm not saying they're all greater than Ferguson, just that it's ludicrous to say there's no case for any of them. They might all have minor holes or imperfections on their records - but so does Ferguson.
The hate for Pep Guardiola is ridiculous...
Idk why, the money??
Well United has spent more and has 1 title in a decade
Well the point is Ferguson didn’t have the financial backing Pep did, especially towards the end, and yet he managed to win UCL on top of it all which pep hasn’t done with city
Pep is #2 in my books though, as good as they come
Because he uses his Barca reputation where he inherited Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and picks an chooses big clubs that are already winning and willing to spend even more for him. Not that he’s overrated but this has to be kept in mind
@@erikschneider1719 Fergie didn't have financial backing? Gimme a break
Sir Alex never had and of that £1b. Fergie coached players and made them world class, he spent little compared to what pep and the current spend over the past 10 years. Pep walks straight into teams that are winning, if both mangers didnt have money who would come out on top because i know who would! Pep would have a hard time
The youngest manager to win champions league, who inherited poor Barcelona squad and turned them to the best squad that humiliated Sir Alex's Man U in the final. The first manager to win domestic treble in england in just less than 3 years even Sir Alex failed to win domestic treble in his 27 years at old trafford. Pep in his first season as the first team manager, he led Barcelona to the treble of La Liga, UEFA Champions League, and the Copa del Rey, becoming the youngest manager to win the aforementioned European competition. Pep was already one of the best managers in his first season in top flight football.He is the first manager to get 100 points in the epl, Sir Alex only got 90 points twice in the epl history first in 2000/2001 and 2008/2009. Pep won the epl only once with less than 93 points in his spell in england. Both are greatest manager but Pep wins for me, he changed the way football is played in england in just 2 years and arguable Man city plays the most beautiful football in the world.
And yet pep isn't the greatest prem manager ever...not even second best. SAF longevity and constant success sky rockets over peps.
You cannot say anyone except Sir Alex , just look at how many have tried and failed since he's retired, just shows how hard a job it is and sir Alex had it down to a fine art
overrrated overhyped outclassed in europe
the period united have gone through in the 10 years since sir alex left proves just how great of a manager he was, how that man won so much silverwear with some of the teams he put out still baffles me to this day but thats what makes him a genius. who else could play rafael, gibson, oshea & fabio as a midfield 4 and knock a full stength arsenal team out the FA cup!? that alone makes him the greatest of all time. 🤣🤣
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"PL is different animal Pep"
Not long ago Fergie v Pep debate would not be entertained
13 Titles,2 CL(26yrs) v 10 Titles,2 CL(13yrs)
Not far from now Fergie in conversation with Pep may not be entertained 😂
Ferguson won the European Cup with Aberdeen! Do some research
Graham, again. The Manager who had The greatest impact on English football in the Premier league era Has to be Arsene Wenger. He was the guy who brought in the sport science people, after his experience in Japan. That Revolutionised English, top flight, football from that point forwards.
Don't forget that Rijkaards Barca copied him and then Pep done it too, but British bastards of a slimy media never credited Arsene and just copied the Spanish praise for Pep and his 'tiki-taka'.
You are talking crap about Wenger.
@@bighands69 Thanks for that, its always good to hear from the angry armchair brigade. Enjoy your day 😁
@@bighands69 Arsene has always been a pioneer, and very well educated on and off the pitch.
Can't say same about sweaty, sweary, cunty 'sirs' fergnose.
"he stopped players putting mayo on their burgers" wow what a trophy for Wenger
I've been a City fan 30 years and what Peps done for us is incredible well never see football like it ever again
But it's Ferguson it isn't even a debate really is it
It's nice to see a football fan put rivalry aside and speak the truth. Pep is no doubt an outstanding manager and maybe could succeed SAF
@@UrbanSherman not a fan of either team but it's a bit like asking who has had the most influence on modern music Paul McCartney or Gary Barlow.
@@parster2010 it's not . Peps barca is the greatest team ever and sir alex could never do it
Money talks now.. Endof... Tony cuenca
It will be a debate if Pep stays around, even for five more years, and continues on this path. City have set the standard where winning the league requires 90+ points. I think United had that total two or three times, if that, during Fergie's era. Of course, the top teams are getting more money than ever and dominating, but Pep has changed English football.
Ancelotti, for me, is the greatest manager of this generation.
He’s won at least one league title in:
La Liga
PL
Bundesliga
Serie A
Managed in all of Europe’s top 5 leagues.
And, has 5 champions league titles, under his belt. The greatest.
4 ucl, 5 league titles. One of the greats but not the greatest
look at the managers and there style of play and how they have impacted football
@@NotMe-el3hg who is the greatest, of this generation?
@@CYU56 it means nothing if you don’t win.
Wenger deserves a worthy mention.
The very mention of Arsenal has always made Souness,s blood run cold🤔 so so salty...Pep has always had money to build the best sides..Arsen had to rely on unknowns..Like Henry who failed at Juventus.
Souness is an irrelevant dinosaur. He literally can't even describe Pep's tactical legacy beyond "playing out from the back".
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@@ShiNooBi1986 yep absolutely ! He has never ever forgiven Arsenal for that and can never ever move on, Plus he had a spell at Tottenham , So no he will never have anything positive to say regarding Arsenal.
Pep, in addition to winning trophies like Ferguson did, has tactically contributed infinitely much more to modern football than Ferguson. Pep implemented a method of numerical superiority through the wings and wings, of starting the game with the ball from behind where the goalkeeper is one more player, of pressing after losing the ball and, above all, of playing with a false 9 in a regular. Some of these things were done before in a very exceptional way but with poor results.
What Pep has brought to football is worth more than any trophy.
Don't forget inverted fullbacks. If you played inverted fullbacks in the 90's in England people would've thought you'd gone mad
Arsene Wenger didn't had the resources that Man Utd or City have right now but still he made Arsenal consistently qualify for UCL despite loosing so many Big Players which i think is a very big achievement
U kidding right? 🤣
Ferguson 13 league titles with United and 3 with Aberdeen. Pep 3 with Barcelona, 3 with Bayern and 4 with City....so far. You'd have to think Pep may well out-title Ferguson in the end, but both have done marvellously well, Ferguson shading it for now.
But you have to remember where Aberdeen and United were when Fergie arrived.
Aberdeen does not count for nothing .... No body cares about Scottish football..
Shading? …
Pep doesn't stay at one club for too long, because then he has to rebuild, he wins what he can then moves on to the next big side he can inherit, and always with a big cheque book.
Jose Mourinho. He had this shite utd team and finished 2nd, won the league Cup and the europa Cup!! Absolute legend.
Jose did do the impossible with that team the owners and fighting the media. Jose is a legend in my eyes
SAF without question, no one is ever going to do what he did over an extended period, he also built that squad to dominate the English game. Pep had the best squad at Barca handed to him on a plate, same with Munich and the same with City. Until he builds something from scratch he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.
This from a Liverpool fan too.
1st of all Ferguson has the most titles ever. 2nd of all he made 4 generations of world class teams. He spent money but not like how it’s spent now days.
pep will easily break that record before he retire
One word, inflation, spending 30 mil on Rio back in the day is like 60 70 mil now
@@timothymodishi4755 If he goes to PSG or Newcastle - if he doesn't win it this year surely questions need to be asked ?
@@wayne8153 100% I agree, during the start of peps reign as city manager, chelsea were inconsistent & klopp just started building his team, only now theirs a lot of competition. Back in the day there was invincible arsenal, old school arsenal, mourinhos chelsea, ancelottis chelsea, Benitez Liverpool teams and even mancinis city sides. Furgie dominated all those eras. I’m saying this as a chelsea fan.
Plus look at what Fergie started with and changed compared to the billions Pep started with and billions he later spent.
From an Arsenal fan, it's not even a conversation. Sir Alex is top
Forgetting Wenger’s impact on the whole culture of English football. Fergusson only ever impacted United.
Wengers impact is a bit of a myth, Fergie was already doing most of what Wenger had apparently introduced to the league. There was a reason United were so far ahead of everyone in the Premier league in the 90s.
@@ih4447I’ve been ruminating on this reply four a few hours and I’m still unsure to what level I agree. Which, is definitely contrary to my initial comment. Excellent work.
I love these 3 man Jordan, Souness & White. Thank you talk sport
Scots gonna stick up for each other. Guardiola for me is the greatest coach. The man has revolutionized football in the modern era with the philosophy of Renus Michels and Johan Cruyff
Arsene Wenger. Won the double in his first full season, went a whole season unbeaten, qualified for the CL for 18 years running and totally changed the game.
Wait you're not saying Wenger over Fergie are you? 😂😂😂
@@Edgisco Defo over pep
@@Edgisco Yes of course. Fergie was a disgrace.
@@clivet3252 how long have you been an Arsenal fan for?
It's only as I have gotten older I appreciate Graham Souness opinions. Watched him on RTE(irish television) years ago, couldn't take to him as an analyst. Now I realise he's direct, to the point and will stick to his beliefs or opinions. Great qualities to have.
Hard as nails too. He made Roy Keane seem like Tom Daly.
@@mikehunt1528 do you like it when men are hard for you, big boy?
The fact that Souness can't summarise Pep's tactical legacy beyond "playing out from the back" demonstrates just how clueless he is about modern football. He has no place providing insight in today's game tbh. He's the archaic grandad who can only tell you about the game from the 80s. Irrelevant
Can't stand Souness, he's a fuckin gob shite, can't say anything good about man united so can't take him seriously. I get the rivalry between Liverpool and United but let it fuckin go, you're a grown man FFS!! No way pep has a better legacy than SAF.
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Pep is an artist of a manager brings imagination in to reality in terms of watching football but longevity is wins it unless Pep is here for another 10 years
Greatest impact? Wenger. Even Mou bringing the 4-3-3 and Bus parking (Mou showed that a good attack wins you games but a great defense wins you the league).
George Graham set the defensive blueprint.
Sir Alex Ferguson is not only the best manager in premier league history, but one of the greatest managers in world football of all time.
World football not... Just premier farmer league when he was a coach.
@@aru8302 🤣🤣 there’s too many things wrong with that sentence for me to start.
It’s obvious you know nothing about football, either way too young to remember the Fergie era or a bitter fan of a rival club. Either way, do your research before you make yourself look silly again pal 👍🏻🤣
@@danielwhittaker3596 its easy, Alex can speak other lenguage than English? he is no one out of UK.
@@aru8302 do you research, Sir Alex has won 48 trophies in his managerial career, the most of ANY manager in WORLD footballing history. What’s speaking multiple languages got to do with anything?
Carlo Ancelotti can speak 4 different languages and Sir Alex has won more than DOUBLE the trophies.
Jose Mourinho speaks 6, Sir Alex nearly double the amount of trophies.
Sir Alex speaks the language of FOOTBALL! 😎
So once again, before you make yourself look foolish, do your homework! 👍🏻🤣
@@danielwhittaker3596 48 trophies and 10 are charity shields hahaha and 0 out of England... what a coach!! englis media really works well.. but later come the Papa Real Madrid hehe
1.Ferguson/Wenger
2.Pep
Everyone else.
Sorry Graeme Souness is talking rubbish by saying Wenger inherited the best back 4 in World football...... what is this guy on about???? And to say Wenger's legacy doesn't match up to what Pep has at City......Wenger not only turned the culture at Arsenal football club upside down but turned completely unknown average players into World Class Elite Footballers....something Pep can never lay claim to do....This obsecene fascination with Pep is so lopsided.....
Wenger changed English football culture. Fitness coaches , food habits , style . Never gets any credit.
Guardiola is clearly a better Manager than Ferguson, we saw what happened when Guardiola’s Barcelona played Ferguson’s Man Utd in two Champions League finals - on both occasions Ferguson got his ass handed to him on a plate. The difference between the two teams on each occasion was shocking…
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Fergie himself said that Pep's Barca was the hardest opponent he's ever faced
Ferguson also beat Pep once in the semi finals of the Champions league and would have done the same in the final.
@@bighands69 _Ferguson also beat Pep once in the semi finals of the Champions league_
No, he didn't, Pep was not the Manager at the time !
Impact on play
1. Arsene Wenger
2. Pep
3. Alex
Greatest sir Alex his won the the most
Klopp with his pressing.
Only one of those mangers don’t it with there own youth team/academy at it’s core and that is what true sport and more importantly football is truly all about
In terms of Premier League managers, Fergie is a clear 1st and the Second Best is between Pep, Klopp, Mourinho, Wenger and Anchelotti.
Happy 30th birthday to the best league in the world 🌎long lives EPL football. been following it since the 02/03 season in Nigeria.
Mourinho for me ,he has won cups with different clubs ,been fired by Chelsea only to return and win the league again! outside England he has won everywhere -Mou greatest of all time -really special
Ferguson is in my opinion the greatest manager of all time never mind the Premier League era
Lol 😂
Did great in Europe didn’t he 🤡
Most of Fergusons success was in a farmers league known as the premier league in the early days. Fergie had it easy as United were the only team who were going to win it. We all knew the result before the season began. The upset seasons were when Blackburn won and Arsenal won the first couple. United had no contest. They had all the money and all the best deals. AC Milan with their manager was doing something similar but Serie A was a superior and more competitive league than Premier League back then as you had the likes of Parma, Juventus, Inter, AC, Napoli. In my opinion after the money came into Chelsea, was when Fergie was truly challenged. He is a great manager, but a lot of his success was when he had no real contest.
@@samueldavids3704 Ferguson didn’t win the league for 5 years. He built his dynasty himself.
2 cl titles in 30 years. He's so overrated just like man utd
How can you talk about succession thinking for Wenger when he was directly involved in building a new stadium, and a new state-of-the-art training facility alongside revolutionizing the game with statistics tracking?
He never won a bean after "building" the new stadium.
I do believe, that how ever big Sir Alex was for Manchester United, I also think he is the reason to the problems United has had since he left. I would love to hear you discuss the backside of a huge personality and how much he actually had control over United. My take is that when Sir Alex left the dugout, United didn't have the organisation nor the skill, to handle the business about recruitment and signing players in the transfer market.
The best manager with the biggest influence in British top flight football is Arsene Wenger. He absolutely changed the dynamic of the league and he is the reason to the development for the Premier League. Absolutely fantastic character. When he and Sir Alex had their clashes I always felt it was a clash of cultures and a fight between the new era and the old...with Sir Alex defending the old british football culture. The outcome will always be evolvement...
As I wrote..I would love to hear Simon Jordan, Jim White and Graeme Souness have their say on this.
To make it clear. I'm a fan of Aston Villa, and I've been that since I was 7 years old. It's now 49 years of love to a club, a football league and a football culture.
I also think that the trio of Jordan, White and Souness are fantastic at Talksport and that's why I want their take on it.
Ferguson has to do with Man Utd's decline. Football clubs cannot stay the best for ever.
Your deluded
Your crazy dude 😂 the only thing that happened was the glazers when they began appointing bankers and not the professionals in them Pacific roles.
@@ltreanor99 Ferguson was greedy.Greats like Robbo, Bruce, Keane were not asked to stay on as coaches with the club. I have been a fan since '79 and Arsene Wenger and Bobby Robson are my favorites.
Pep changed the way every team in the league plays
Exactly... Everyone seems to wanna shy away from this🤣🤣🤣
That was arsene Wenger. Pep coppied everything from Wenger
I have never read such nonsense in all my life. It was the same sort of crap that used to be talked when the Media fanboys were egging on Arsenal the invincibles as being the greatest football team of all time. Some were saying that Arsenal under Wenger was playing better football than Brazil of 1970.
DO not mention double pivots I am not interested.
@@rickyreward226 are you crazy fam. Wenger TRIED to play tiki-taka at times but that wasnt generally how Arsenal play. Pep got his style from Cruyff and improved it. The prem has never seen domination of the ball to the extent that Man City do
@@bighands69 😂😂👏
I'd say Ferguson, simply because he basically started from scratch at both Aberdeen and Utd and built fantastic teams. Pep has taken over 3 massive clubs who were already successful.
Pep gets the best jobs at the best clubs because he is the best there is. Simple.
@@smallarmskepa4390 Maybe if he took over a club like Everton and made them great, I'd agree.
@@63mckenzie that’s not how life works, little guy. The best at their job go to the top and stay there.
@@craig5346 Fergie’s side did play against pep’s side in a champions league final and they didn’t touch the ball for 90 minutes. Note that pep’s side had mostly players from their youth academy, iniesta and xavi were fringe players when he came in, and a lot of players that he brought into the first team from when he coached Barcelona B that were worth less than 1mil at the time, for example, Sergio Busquets.
Man city ain't a massive club..
Never have and will be..👍
I'd have Pep second. You can't deny the impact he's had on the PL. The games played different now. Feel for some defenders and keepers in this era though, they're liable to made look worse due to more being asked of them with the pressure of having to be good technically on the ball rather than just defending. Great defenders in the past like Vidic would be made to look not as good, he was a great defender but wasn't at all technically, hence why rio was a perfect partner for him.
So, in your effort to say how defenders weren't technical back then, you make it a point to say that United had two CBs that complemented each other. Defenders weren't asked to play out from the back as much, so it's impossible to say who would have been good at it. Also, the whole idea of building up from the back was just an evolution because the back pass to the keeper was outlawed.
Those sides of old where defenders were told to kick the ball as far as possible wouldn’t even get a touch of the ball against a side of today that plays out.
If Artetta wins the league with Arsenal, that would be a bigger achievement than anything Pepe ever done.
Can't believe this is even a discussion. Fergie hands down
Ten hag for me .
Good point on succession. I think that's one of the biggest failure of a coach who does not have an infrastructure and process for the club to run post his stint.
Didn't win FAcup in 84 Simon but won it both years either side of that year.
Also people talk too much about Ferguson not winning anything with ManUtd until his 3rd full season but there were a few hindrances back then that they don't have now.
The 5 year European ban for English teams from 1985/86 to 1989/90 which not only effected being in competitions to win silverware but it would've effected who teams could buy especially foreign players aren't going to be as attracted to playing in England if they're banned from European competitions so ManUtd would've had weaker squads than they could've had therefore they would've had better chance for silverware in all the years they didn't win anything before his first trophy in 1989/90. First year the European ban is ended, Ferguson wins CupWinnersCup 1990/91.
You couldn't qualify for CL finishing 2nd out of 22 where as nowadays you can if you finish 4th out of 20 or worse than 4th but win EuropaLeague.
Plus just being in the CL these days (or since the "CL" era) not even winning anything gives clubs loads of money and attracts big players.
There are clearly more avenues to get success these days so I can never understand when people come out with comments like this manager wasn't given enough time and try to compare it to the era where Ferguson started managing ManUtd.
Wenger will always be #1
fergie and wenger two of the besf for me fergie the all time best pep is good but he's had unlimited money at his disposal so i found it hard to accept him as an great klopp is better tbh
SIR ALEX IS WITHOUT DOUBT THE BEST MANAGER EVER.. WINNING TREBLE IN EPL AND CUP WINNERS CUP. WITH ABERDEEN BEATING REAL MADRID IN FINAL.. PLAYING WITH NO DEFENDERS AND STILL WINNING,, WINNING EPL WITH JONES, EVANS CLEVERLY, ANDERSON, WELBECK. Rebuilding United 3 times with different era.
He is the greatest but surely not the best
I agree, but Paisley deserves a nod too, not only dominating the English game, as did SAF but he managed to do the same in Europe too.
The Disrespect shown to Wenger who changed English football fullstop , created superstar players , built an unbeaten team, built a stadium in 22 yrs yet no regard by him... im not surprised ..its Talksport not much quality in the building
Ferguson is the greater manager for sure. His work at both Aberdeen and Man Utd over 35 years or so, with him continually adapting to new and and rapidly changing football landscapes, and delivering trophy after trophy was incredible. I still rank Mourinho’s managerial career as greater than Guardiola’s as well, largely thanks to his work in Portugal with Leiria and Porto.
Overall, Guardiola’s entire footballing career has been better than Ferguson’s though. A hugely successful and trophy laden playing career followed by a hugely successful and trophy laden managerial career, beats no major silverware as a player followed by a legendary managerial career. Guardiola reached the pinnacle of club football in terms of winning shed loads of league titles plus multiple European trophies, as both a player and a manager.
Big Sam taught Ferguson a lot when football evolved.
@@dudebro3250 😃😃😃😃😃
Greater manager but just in the premier league for now, out of England is no one.
@@satanic6043 also in Scotland breaking up the Old Firm’s dominance, winning 3 league titles and numerous domestic cups, plus notably winning a major European trophy beating Bayern in the quarters and Real Madrid in the final (the last time Real have lost a major European final excluding Super Cups).
@@Gizo02 Real Madrid never lost a final in a UCL, check it better. You think premier league was at same level of La Liga and Serie A then clearly you are so young or you just are a blind person that never saw other leagues.
Outside of the Prem Pep, Wenger, Mourinho, Conte could never do an Aberdeen...what Sir Alex did their in breaking down and challenging the old firm is truly unbelievable not to mention the European Cup win he had their. Those managers have never did that maybe Wenger but the others go were the money is
Mourinho - porto - inter
@@lovezooevents good point although Porto have always been the best or at least one of the best in Portugal bit to win a champions league with them deserves credit, if he pulls something big off with Roma id be very impressed that conference cup he won doesent fool anyone
@@robertdennehy7948 Porto were the best in Portugal but many of the players were taken from mid table Portuguese clubs. Ricardo Carvalho (one of the best CBs in the world in his prime) was third choice centre back at Porto when Jose arrived
@@robertdennehy7948 Porto were 5th in the Portuguese league when Jose came
Arsene changed the standard tho.
From set piece ferguson football to playing thru the middle. Fergi was successful but served up rubbish for many years
ferguson is not bad to be fair. i've just looked up his achievements
@@jmckeev765 haha
Guardiola's got loads to do to equal Ferguson. Guardiola hasn't won CL since managing best ever club team over a decade ago and I can't get over some of his glaring mistakes like starting Sterling vs Chelsea in CL final 2021 (and FAcup semi-final).
Guardiola by far and undisputedly class and better than fergurson. No trophy that fergy got that guardiola hasn't. And looking at trophies per season guardiola excels
The question is "who's the greatest prem manager". Pep isn't even the second best
@@philbarton2832 using what statistics? Who has ever won three epl in a row. Who has won 4 out of five premier leagues?
@@cosmiconflict Peps only had one team to challenge him in Liverpool, SAF had Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool, chelsea, AND city.
SAF won the treble...with his youth players! 😂 Pep has the backing of a STATE and fails to win the champions league season after season after season.
It's laughable to even compare the two 🙈
@@philbarton2832 your argument is not reasonable. In those years arsenal won without a defeat. Do you think the game is going backwards or forward? Guardiola has actually changed and dominated the bar in epl. Its not his problem that his quality is far above others. Its ridiculous from u to think the teams then were more competitive than it is now or that football was better then than now. Quite pathetic from football perspective in epl. Physicality and technically epl has been on an increasing trend notdownward
@@cosmiconflict Yes and SAF beat them all the most. I'm talking about title challengers, pep is only challenged by Liverpool whereas SAF had many challengers and more often than not he beat them all.
The game has moved forwards in some aspects but gone backwards in others and unfortunately business models like city's, chelseas, PSG'S etc are ruining the entire landscape of football.
Pep has even said himself that SAF is the greatest ever so the debate is over. Now who knows, maybe pep will be the greatest prem manager someday but I doubt it because he's likely to move elsewhere sooner rather than later as he always does.
Got to be Ferguson. He did it with his hands tied behind his back. Pep has had unlimited finances throughout his career
Really?
Fergie may if not left much for the new manager to work with in terms of building for the future but maybe he tried and maybe that’s why he retired earlier than he intended! The glazers were not backing fergie either he wanted benzema and instead got Owen!
Totally disagree about Wenger, built very competitive teams on a shoestring not just French players ......brought a brand of football and culture that changed English football.....brilliant manager one of the beat ever
Oh come on!! It’s Ferguson hands down.
In time whan peps finshes his time at city people appricate what a great man manager and don't forget a fantastic coach which Ferguson was never
So as far as long lasting legacy definitely peps the man
As we're including fergusons cv pre the prem, I will say that Bob Paisley is the unrivalled manager of English football x
Pep needs to spend large amount of money. He'd be a different manager if he went to a team with no money. His tactics are designed for elite players, if he doesn't have an elite squad he would struggle. Look at his 1st season. He spent over 100m on wingbacks to get to his tactics level.
Liverpool have elite player and spend close to 100m rn but can't get it right. You can have all the elite players but if they can't play together as a team i.e. PSG. IF you give Pep the right players he will take the team to another level
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@@lfcspectre4335 LFC Spectre = Top LAD Proper Clobber
Hard to truly say. Different times (number of competitive teams, money etc).
Pep has a system that requires specific players, he hasn't coached the players he had into being effective with that system. He buys them. Foden is the only youth player of any notoriety from their academy recently.
But comparatively, fergie did develop some players (although he did spend boatloads).
city have lots of youth players wdym looool. they have like 5 rising stars. city won every PL title age group last year... Pep does make players better through coaching you crazy
Casual
@@CheyTacHD he don't promote homegrown within though..
Utd have a DNA of that and have done in decades..
@@neutralfan..1627 and they are bottom of the league with this idiotic DNA...cant expect a team to compete for all trophies with youth player all over the pitch
@@danial968 Worked for fergie lad..
Souness: I come back to it
If Pep stays in this league for 10 more years, he'll have at least 3 more epl titles than Fergusson.
If your uncle had knockers he’d be your auntie
He won't be though hence he's off after this season..
This is the reason he's brought haaland in,last throw of the dice to win the champions league..
I'd choose the guy who transformed the game.. Pep all the way
As both these managers did it when they had a lot more money by a substantial amount than any other teams. Wenger
Fergie won the premier league with Jones, smalling, buttner, Evans, a 42 year old giggs
Guardiola could never win the PL with that 2013 squad that utd had.
Greatest and Best are 2 different categories
You automatically disqualify yourself from adult conversation if you say Fergie isn’t the greatest PL manager ever
But BEST…that’s up for debate
You're absolutely spot on... People don't really differentiate between greatest and best..