Turkish Football's Economic Crisis

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  • čas přidán 9. 01. 2019
  • Austerity has shaken the Turkish Süper Lig. Beşiktaş, Fenerbahçe, & Galatasaray face pressure from UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations, while a currency crisis and economic downturn has added to a wider sense of malaise. The Turkish game is now probably in its worst ever financial state.
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Komentáře • 461

  • @cissegoalpao1
    @cissegoalpao1 Před 5 lety +427

    It's 100% the exact same situation in Greece as well . Funny how we Greeks and Turks keep fighting each other when we are so similar .

    • @Zaaazaaaa
      @Zaaazaaaa Před 5 lety +8

      Balkan Hawk 10000% right

    • @shanks6404
      @shanks6404 Před 5 lety +17

      Well greece has at least still some success in international competition, wether its club Or national Teams, Turkey has such a Long Way to go

    • @erenakbas1259
      @erenakbas1259 Před 5 lety +6

      Greek league is so weird. Every season there is an incident like PAOK fans and president of PAOK did.

    • @spirosthomas2975
      @spirosthomas2975 Před 5 lety

      Eren AKBAŞ1 that was one incident idiot

    • @semikocuk
      @semikocuk Před 5 lety +8

      the similarity is why we fight unfortunately :)
      Asimple example is the fighting over origins of cuisines like cacik(tzatziki) or turkish/greek coffee.

  • @savantgarde8534
    @savantgarde8534 Před 5 lety +343

    Tifo, arkadaşım (my friend), you have just gained an onslaught of turkish fans. Its really quite brilliant how you guys do videos on football on the fringes & outside the mainstream. Not only is it cool to hear for people that know little about the country/league, but it’s a great outsider perspective to turkish fans. Your business model and videos are the best football channel on the net & I’d be surprised if you guys don’t become the main source for soccer on the web over the next 5 years. I wonder how you guys can monetize the incredible content/fanbase you have built any further that youtube videos. Love

  • @hakim6158
    @hakim6158 Před 5 lety +470

    Turkey and Russia could've had much better leagues if they didn't spend that much on older players.

    • @vii7031
      @vii7031 Před 5 lety +22

      Russia's football problem isn't that they're buying older players, it's that there's a limit on how many foreign players can play in the starting line up. Russian football schools can't supply enough quality players and certain russian players that are in the club are almost guaranteed to play because of the limit. This limit destroys the competition and inflates the russian footballers salaries, this is why there aren't many russian players outside of Russia.

    • @carterroane1034
      @carterroane1034 Před 5 lety +13

      @@vii7031 China has the exact problem. Their FA wants to develop more domestic players but refuses to spend money on proper youth academies, or allow their players to play abroad.

    • @LordEdmund1973
      @LordEdmund1973 Před 5 lety +3

      Russia is forced to divert its athletic talent into other sporting endeavours. They seek to compete at the top of both Olympic medal tallies, and they lack the development and wealth per capita of other nations, which is why Russia has to lag behind in something.

    • @dasaggropop1244
      @dasaggropop1244 Před 5 lety +3

      same as the mls. instead of developing and nurturing talent from their hometurf, they invest in big names of has beens. mostly.

    • @lobaxx
      @lobaxx Před 5 lety +2

      @Re Up A salary cap just means that they will never be able to sign good players again. Players like Pepe are only choosing Turkey because of the salary.
      A salary cap only works when players have no other option. When you have lukrativ contracts from China, Russia etc, why would you choose to be paid less in order to play for Turkey?

  • @monologue4559
    @monologue4559 Před 5 lety +213

    Another enlightening piece, thanks Tifo! Turkey has long underperformed in youth development compared to the overall size of its football scene, and this may be the make-or-break moment to turn it around.

    • @futurevibes6858
      @futurevibes6858 Před 5 lety +7

      Turn it around? As a Turk, I can confirm it's not gonna happen.

    • @savantgarde8534
      @savantgarde8534 Před 5 lety +1

      The more realistic question is whether we turks can minimize further damages/not go broke and learn from our mistakes. And the realistic answer is maybe for the first part and definitely not for the second

    • @jediknight5600
      @jediknight5600 Před 5 lety

      @@futurevibes6858 why ?

    • @futurevibes6858
      @futurevibes6858 Před 5 lety +9

      @@jediknight5600 We don't plan anything with future in mind here. Short term success is much more preferred than long term plans. If you don't deliver success today, you are a failure. If one takes a look at how many managers have been fired & replaced in Turkish Super League in a season, you would have an idea. And obviously it is expensive to try to achieve success in the short term, because you have to spend big to do so. And generally the teams end up spending the money on aging & washed out football players or termination payments of managers every year. When you sign a manager on a 3-4 year contract and try to fire him after one season (because you haven't won the title) it costs you some serious money. Now imagine what happens when every club does that year after year.
      I haven't been able to respond to your actual question "why" yet, but it is hard to pinpoint. I would like to believe Turkish people are passionate in everything they do (you can also say they are fanatics, fanatics of religion, politics, football, everything). They act with their hearts instead of their brains, and their feelings rule them instead of their logic. Perhaps it's because we are a mediterranean country :)

    • @jediknight5600
      @jediknight5600 Před 5 lety +6

      @@futurevibes6858 I find it interesting. I'm not Turkish. But I love Turkish football for one reason alone. THE FANS. They are absolutely incredible.
      I just don't understand why a country with support as passionate as Turkey, and a huge population doesn't invest in its youth. It is clearly the more sustainable long term solution as when you begin to produce players they will command large transfer fees from Europes biggest clubs, which in turn can be reinvested in the team.
      Any club anywhere in the world who can regularly produce youth players will be self sufficient. It's like a country that can grow it's own food without needing import any.

  • @Chris-uo5fz
    @Chris-uo5fz Před 5 lety +111

    I’m English and I watch Fenerbahce in a number of their sports mainly Basketball and Football. I’ve just bought my second jersey from them after watching this hope it will help take my money

  • @ivaneurope
    @ivaneurope Před 5 lety +15

    If you look at the Galatasaray team that won the 2000 UEFA Cup Final vs Arsenal, 7 players from the Starting 11 were Turkish and from the group of 18 only 5 were foreign (2 Romanians and 3 Brazilians). The early 2000's were the peak of Turkish football - Galatasaray's afromentioned UEFA Cup win and Turkey's 3rd place at the 2002 FIFA World Cup.
    The most recent years the football in Turkey was hampered by mostly corruption scandals involving the Big 3 from Istanbul including match fixing. And this applies to sport in general in Turkey which caused them the 2020 Summer Olympics hosting and the hosting of EURO 2024

  • @metalhead9061
    @metalhead9061 Před 5 lety +121

    What i dont understand is how Turkey with so much passionate football culture and good infrastucture compared to many other European countries are so unsuccessful in international football.Just one world cup qualification really? And their should have been big football names from Turkey playing all over Europe.But except a couple of names for big clubs we hardly hear about Turkish stars in rest

    • @LordPiccolo
      @LordPiccolo Před 5 lety +69

      As mentioned in the video most Turkish fans and clubs are investing in short term success (e.g. signing old football stars). Except for Altinordu (correct me if I am wrong) the scouting system and youth training is abyssmal. Plus most bigger Turkish teams have more legionnaires than footballer with turkish origin in their squad.

    • @gordusmaximus4990
      @gordusmaximus4990 Před 5 lety +4

      @@cemalgunenc9911 true, but shouldnt those guys be, well European now? If they werent born in Turkey and dont play for Turkey.
      Despite ethnecity or race isnt something you cant delete obviously.
      Still i think Turkey has enough population to produce talent. I mean 80 million? Only Russia and Germany has more population.

    • @logirex
      @logirex Před 5 lety +25

      The whole country is going down the drain. Not surprising that is happening to the football side also.

    • @tiely13
      @tiely13 Před 5 lety +6

      @@cemalgunenc9911 yeah it's not about genetics. Its just about the system: good fields, knowledgeable coaches, a path to follow (with financial backing) and then you throw in numbers of potential young players. I'm not aware where it goes wrong in Turkey, but this system is good in Germany, Netherlands, etc. Look at Iceland for example they started 15 years ago with building indoor football halls and because of this they reached the world cup as a small cold, BUT rich country (they invested a lot in it).

    • @triviaz7505
      @triviaz7505 Před 5 lety +8

      Biggest stars of Turkish origin are mesut ozil and ilkay gundogan both world class players. Both born and have played for Germany.

  • @finding_aether
    @finding_aether Před 5 lety +139

    football is a great sport, but Turkish govt should really be spending their money on healthcare and education

    • @OneCash
      @OneCash Před 5 lety +14

      Boi Boi they do, more than ever in history. no worries.

    • @finding_aether
      @finding_aether Před 5 lety +8

      @@OneCash they have been printing more than ever in history let me tell you that.

    • @finding_aether
      @finding_aether Před 5 lety +2

      @@cemalgunenc9911 that's not hard though nowadays :( anyway i m not against Turkish Govt gov, just happen to be the case in this vid. if my own govt do this they better justify it too,

    • @bandofbrothers1762
      @bandofbrothers1762 Před 5 lety +18

      Boi Boi Turkish healthcare system is not bad.

    • @shanks6404
      @shanks6404 Před 5 lety +2

      You are right about investing in Education thats Part of the reason why turkish Football sucks

  • @JaleelBeig
    @JaleelBeig Před 5 lety +34

    French & Turkish would benefit from becoming leagues for young stars. Turkey in particular, their footballing atmosphere would be helpful for youngsters immensely.

    • @nacimsouni8539
      @nacimsouni8539 Před 5 lety +2

      I think there are already many young good player in ligue 1. If you look at Lyon, many of their players are young and with a big potential

    • @JaleelBeig
      @JaleelBeig Před 5 lety +2

      I mean the level of bundesliga & eredivisie. Well known for being best for youngsters

    • @korgaw8563
      @korgaw8563 Před 5 lety +8

      Shark Team your comment is good in theory but if we do a reality check, Turkish fans are impatient. Young players will be called shit immidietly and the players wouldn’t feel like playing. Almost every team changes their manager during season, every season.

    • @ahmadhassanal-bakr1858
      @ahmadhassanal-bakr1858 Před 5 lety

      TURKEY IS ARAB MUSLIM COUNTRY MASHALLAH

    • @gshsbsjs5318
      @gshsbsjs5318 Před 4 lety

      True best example in the turkish league is trabzonspor they put so much effort to young turkish player for example yusuf yazici abdulkadir ömür and now a anather young player who did his first assist in his debut yusuf sari

  • @oktayism
    @oktayism Před 5 lety +1

    Thank you for making this video and bringing to the light the economic troubles of Turkish football. I had a feeling you would make a video on this topic sooner or later. As a Turkish National living abroad, I’ve always been disappointed in the lack of grassroots growth of the Turkish game and how the governing bodies of each team look to sign stars in the twilight of their careers rather than establishing the youth programs or making sounder investments in players who are coming into their primes. I’m a life long Beşiktas supporter and am glad the current administration is taking the necessary steps to steering the ship in the right direction but this is a national issue that every team needs to focus on.
    The only thing this video is missing is the fact that Başakşehir, who are first place in the Turkish Super League when this video was published, is more or less backed by the Turkish government. They’re a team with little to no history or fan base but are able to continue signing older stars who are at the ends of the careers, following this tired format and will most likely win the league this year. The problem is rooted in the fundamentals of the TFF and its relationship with the Turkish government. The broadcast revenues and infrastructure projects are all proxies to a different story. But just like your ending narrative, these clubs are too big to fail and will continue to incur these debts without regard of consequences.
    Thanks again and keep up the great work.

  • @yagamaga3417
    @yagamaga3417 Před 5 lety +2

    Well, it's a clean video that help us to understand financial problems of Turkish football. Great job mate! Btw, Basaksehir (1st standing team in the Turkish football league) "might be" supported by the government. Mr. President openly talks about that he is proud of the team and club executives known with close relations with the government. I highly suggest you to search about it and if you have any finding we have an another great video. Cheers.

  • @Ngatiatimothy
    @Ngatiatimothy Před 5 lety +60

    Seems to me like UEFA is clearly very justified in focusing on Turkish clubs and not City and PSG.
    These Turkish clubs could literally collapse and leave literally thousands of people jobless! This is a football crisis. I honestly thought UEFA were just being corrupt and shifty but the situation in Turkey is no joke. My goodness! This is bad. Very bad.
    Even teams in Africa don't have that much debt.

    • @SN27671
      @SN27671 Před 5 lety +11

      Timothy Ngatia The reason uefa is not going after city and paris is because they literally threatened to sue them into bankruptcy sth the turkish clubs can't really do...

    • @ismailcemturgut
      @ismailcemturgut Před 5 lety +3

      You can't go after the biggest fish in the pool. They are money spenders. They have always been in their life. They don't care about this team or this organisation. They just want the satisfaction. They would ruin Champions League or Europe League within a month.

    • @abbba2007
      @abbba2007 Před 5 lety +3

      Well the original reasoning behind the FFP was protecting clubs from overspending and going bust. Qatar/UAE royals are obviously cheating the system and UEFA should investigate, but the clubs themselve are financially secure and not facing any sort of issue that the rules should prevent. I guess that's your answer why UEFA are way more interested in micromanaging currently financially struggling teams in countries such like Turkey, Russia, Romania, etc, rather then fighting rich guys that might be benefitial to them.

    • @Yourosking
      @Yourosking Před 5 lety

      Uefa should focus on turkish clubs AND psg/man city but they dont cus theyre corrupt mafia

  • @rayquaza3996
    @rayquaza3996 Před 5 lety

    I've been waiting for you guys to make a video about this for so long, thought it would never come. Thanks so much!!

  • @indigomoraes7105
    @indigomoraes7105 Před 5 lety +3

    I am amazed to see how well informed you guys are. I just heard that some Besiktas players weren't paid their salary because of financial trouble. I didn't think that this was the case of the whole league.

  • @user-io9nr2sy9y
    @user-io9nr2sy9y Před 5 lety +6

    Its great to see the youth geting a huge chance out of this.
    The record of ”the youngest player in the leauge” was broken twice this season.

  • @hudu
    @hudu Před 5 lety

    These videos just keep getting better. Brilliant work.

  • @onatto11
    @onatto11 Před 5 lety

    I don't think I could thank you enough for making this video.
    You must've researched really thoroughly in order to strap up such a detailed, correct and informative video and can definitely assure you, as a Turk, that this material you have provided here is definitely more accurate, realistic and on spot compared to the manipulative equivalent of it the Turkish media pumps all the time.
    As a Fenerbahçe fan, I probably am one of the people that is most severely affected by this crisis in terms of sportive success, considering that the momentum we had caught up on as the whole fanbase, through the recent election of Ali Koç gave us the hope of resurrecting our aspirations that were on slumber for so long began to fade by now, as we are basically in the relegation zone by the end of the first half of Süper Lig.
    You have also pointed out in the video that most of the higher-tier Turkish clubs had to part ways with their most valuable players due to FFP agreements with UEFA, and we were no exception to that, since we lost the player with most contributions in terms of goals in the last season.
    Although despite all the effort that we are putting in, irritatingly the UEFA is trying to enforce their now even stricter terms upon the Turkish clubs instead of being flexible while turning a blind eye to all the big moves PSG, Man City or such clubs that are currently funded by Arabian liqudity are pulling out in the open. Due to unfortunate financial and political circumstances that our country is currently engulfed in the clubs are being penalized by the UEFA as if there exists a way to go on the positive economically for Turkish clubs at the moment. And this action is being carried on as unfairly as possible, ironically under the name of Financial """""Fair-Play""""".
    Again, I appreciate all the effort you've put into this video, and offer you my deepest thanks for that.

  • @uAozzie
    @uAozzie Před 5 lety +2

    One of the best Narrated videos i have ever seen. You deserve a medal. A Turkish fan.

  • @ugursakaoglu6889
    @ugursakaoglu6889 Před 5 lety +4

    Amazing analysis, great job, thank you.

  • @aJw_b
    @aJw_b Před 5 lety +1

    You guys deserve way more subscribers.

  • @BrendanP
    @BrendanP Před 5 lety +1

    It's unfortunate that these things are happening with Turkish football. It's simply disappointing....but what's not disappointing is Tifo Football. This CZcams channel continues to create superior quality, insightful videos. I don't think I'm alone in saying that us viewers have learnt more about football thanks to you lot. Awesome work!

  • @anldincer4356
    @anldincer4356 Před 5 lety

    I wrote a thesis related with this subject, very nice summary! i enjoyed it!

  • @beytullahguney1653
    @beytullahguney1653 Před 5 lety +26

    adam bizim ligi bizden iyi biliyor helal olsun

  • @laoganmafootballclub6632
    @laoganmafootballclub6632 Před 5 lety +28

    RIP Eskişehirspor.

    • @alik5972
      @alik5972 Před 5 lety

      En sevdiğim Anadolu takımıydılar

    • @lonely168ify
      @lonely168ify Před 5 lety

      çuf çuf eyyyy

    • @shanks6404
      @shanks6404 Před 5 lety +1

      Niye, gayet yetenekli oyuncu cikartiyorsunuz, Dorukhani cok begeniyorum, Mehmet Özcan'da iyi para getirir

    • @atahanoktay2247
      @atahanoktay2247 Před 5 lety

      @@shanks6404 tff de 15. Sırada cunki

    • @yellowred5909
      @yellowred5909 Před 5 lety

      Rip fenerbahce

  • @ilz20
    @ilz20 Před 5 lety

    Fantastic video, loads of depth keep it up!

  • @anirudhgandhi4507
    @anirudhgandhi4507 Před 5 lety +1

    Patrick Keddie, the writer here, has also written a great book on Turkish football called The Passion. It looks at the current state of football in Turkey and the country itself, with historical information and context. Highly recommend

  • @seyyitengintufekci6231

    This is an exact presentation of the crisis we have in Turkey. Thanks a lot for the information and the numbers. May I ask Turkish subtitles for the Turkish citizens? Your fixations are right on target. You might add that, Başakşehir which is a government team. Much Love, thanks.
    S. Engin.

  • @OzanOzz
    @OzanOzz Před 4 lety +2

    100% you explained so well whats going on in my country .

  • @tiely13
    @tiely13 Před 5 lety +7

    Great Vid! I never understood the policy and the workings of Turkish clubs with their huge salaries for just over-their -top-players without any noticeable big income trough transfers or European succes.

    • @TheFreshestLyrics
      @TheFreshestLyrics Před 5 lety +2

      It's unsustainable hence they are being propped up by the goverment.

  • @LordPiccolo
    @LordPiccolo Před 5 lety +44

    Nice to see the old Lira paper bill again :) Great video! But you need a second part since you have mentioned the competitveness of the Turkish Super League. You need to make a video about the ties between Basaksehir and Recep Tayyip Erdogan and why they are currently in the lead :) It will become clear that they are also guilty of spending excessively

    • @seadkolasinac7220
      @seadkolasinac7220 Před 5 lety +1

      SavageTemptation good point

    •  Před 5 lety +6

      To be honest Başakşehir is one of the best clubs in terms of investment and outcome. I know their ties with the government make it easy for them financially. But the team they built is well balanced and they play good football. They didn't spend as much as the big 3 but they are clearly a better team.
      However they don't have any supporters and their ties with the government will always raise doubt about their success. Still I guess Başakşehir is managed better than bigger Turkish clubs.

    • @OneCash
      @OneCash Před 5 lety +3

      Basaksehir bought and sold within their limits and with a little use of brain. At least compared to almost every other club in Turkey. If Erdogan has something to do with that, which I don't believe, then maybe every club should ask him for tips lol.
      Basaksehir is not the reason why your team sucks, dude. Plus, you cannot show me a single situation where they have been massively favored by authorities. Meanwhile, the big clubs are getting exempt from paying millions and push it in the hands of the government.

    • @unexya
      @unexya Před 5 lety

      Basaksehir president's club there is nothing to be proud making money from Turkish People and giving it to Basaksehir.
      Suck

    • @unexya
      @unexya Před 5 lety

      Basaksehir sold Cengiz for 13 million and gave 4 million to Altinordu.
      And bought players with high salary its 2x or 3x compared to other big clubs and still have money lol
      4.000.000 euro for Adebayor
      Highest Salary is 2.5 in the other big clubs Besiktas Fenerbahce Galatasaray.
      They're triggering people and saying after every transfer
      Thanks to Cengiz Under.
      Man WTF You only got 9 million from there. Half is Adebayor's salary. How did you buy 7-8 players with high salary lol.

  • @kamikazekestrel5170
    @kamikazekestrel5170 Před 5 lety +1

    Marvellous work as always

  • @IK-te9rf
    @IK-te9rf Před 5 lety +1

    It all boils down to a lack of proper planning. The administration of most Super Lig clubs believe they must continue to spend on transfers in order to remain competitive. While this is true to an extent, they all overlook the youth in Turkey and abroad. I'd like to point out that there are tons of academies of the Big Three abroad in nations such as Germany and The Netherlands. They scout heavily in those countries looking for Turkish origin players who show glimpses of potential. Cenk Tosun, for instance, is from Germany and was eventually transferred to the TSL where he made a name for himself.
    One of the biggest issues, in addition to a lack of proper future planning, is the lack of youth player development by the Big Three. Fener is notorious for signing promising young Turkish players only to let them warm the bench for years before discarding them like used goods. The most recent example of this is Ferdi Kadioglu from the Neherlands.
    The weak currency exchane rate is also a factor in the economic woes th clubs face although it isn't entirely to blame.
    A lot of bad decisions are made by the administrations of the clubs which,over time, have compounding adverse effects. Trabzonspor, for instance, were sued by mutiple former players as well as foreign clubs, for failing to pay transfer payments and player wages. The current chairman has admitted to this recently.
    This is simply down to irresponsible and terrible management. Another example of this is Galasaray's most recent 10 million euro transfer of an average striker on the last day of the January transfer window; Mbaye Diagne from Kasimpasa. This was a mind-boggling move which was seen as an atrocious act of desperation after they sold Gomis befoe the start of the season without making a proper reppacement.
    The list of bad decisions made by TSL clubs is endless. I could go on and on with more examples.
    Like I said before, it all boils down to a lack of proper planning and bad decision making by the people in charge.
    As for the Turkish players themselves; it's a combination of hype and lack of discipline.

  • @redyellow27
    @redyellow27 Před 5 lety

    amazing work!! truly did your homework

  • @Kereka
    @Kereka Před 5 lety +2

    Thanks for this video. The ongoing mentality to buy old star players is really frustrating.

  • @emrethelad99
    @emrethelad99 Před 5 lety

    Great video from a Turkish Football fan, thanks patrick keddie and Joe devine amazing job

  • @emirhansahin1007
    @emirhansahin1007 Před 3 lety +1

    finally, great video. thanks from a turkish fan!

  • @mpozonehd664
    @mpozonehd664 Před 5 lety

    Hello, I love this video so much and it has educated me a lot in my dissertation, could you add sources for these kind of videos please? It would help so much, thanks!

  • @turkishbigdaddy3334
    @turkishbigdaddy3334 Před 5 lety +1

    I'm a Besiktas Fan and I agree. Beşiktaş makes no expensive signings anymore, but they contract expensive players on loan or build a new stadium so that neither the crisis of the club as a team and the crisis of the club as a business are getting solved.

  • @groundnutgaming
    @groundnutgaming Před 5 lety +3

    It is a very stupid strategy to not hedge against foreign currency risk.

  • @umutgokhan2174
    @umutgokhan2174 Před 4 lety

    Tx for the video guys.
    But nothing will change here, unfortunately...

  • @decebalus321
    @decebalus321 Před 5 lety +2

    Please make a video about the romanian league. The evolution ist very interesting. Many bankrupt clubs are relegated from the first leauge and are trying to come again (like U Cluj). The national team has also improved since Contra took them over.

  • @Finnishkebab
    @Finnishkebab Před 5 lety +3

    Perfect video! I have been saying for years, turkish football culture is on "child shoes" as we say in Finland (i´m finnish born half finn/turk) Clubs are spending money on former star players from big4 leagues, they play 1 or 2 seasons then they leave. People in social media are deluded and proud that Turkey has so much "great players in league" the league competitive but even there is players like Quaresma, Belhanda, Skrtel etc Turkish league is dropping down all the time and YOU SEE IT! In my opinion Belgium and Holland as a leagues are many steaps ahead of Turkey even though Turkey has one guarenteed (yet) spot in UCL group stage. So called youth development is disgrace ofc there is few gems like Ünder, Ömür, Kabak but it is still not enough. Biggest star players in NT comes from Germany. I would rather see Turkey taking few steps back and starting to invest on youth players (maybe new rule that that you have have atleast 5 "youth player" in your squad etc.) and clubs finances than seeing these +30 years players coming from doors and windows to this league. Of course there is many political reasons such as passolig systems and boycotts but that should never affect on youth system..

  • @Belikemoe
    @Belikemoe Před 5 lety +1

    I used to live in Turkey and found so many young kids talented in football. Seriously, they are very skilled and talented and almost all of them their dreams are to become a soccer players. But none of them do it, because there is no support and there are no opportunities for them to be successful. the number of foreign players in Turkey has increased and one of the reasons is because the big 3 clubs are not investing in young generation.

  • @EcoStands
    @EcoStands Před 5 lety

    Good video, though I am surprised there is not a mention of Besiktas having to mutually agree to terminate the contract of Pepe as they could not afford to pay his wages.

  • @erdalkalayc4937
    @erdalkalayc4937 Před 5 lety

    As a Turk you did a nice job, we already know some things you said but we don't know how it looks from the outside ''Sport authorities or fans''. Our media don't (can't) say all of this. Thank you for these informations. Contine to look at the Turkish football.

  • @muratakkuzu3077
    @muratakkuzu3077 Před 5 lety

    Nobody could explain the exact situation of Turkish football better. Very good work.

  •  Před 5 lety

    A very well summarized video but i want to give some insight from Turkish perspective as well. To enhance the reasons while im completely agree with them. Firstly "Big Three" is located in Istanbul and it is one of the best cities to live in if you are rich and since Turkish clubs are in UEFA they get paid in Euro which currently sits in 1eur=5.97tl and even before it was always something like double the TL. And since players get paid much more than any other work they have incredible amounts of money, in a "not so rich" country with a city notorious for its night-life with girls who would want to hang with them due to money. Robinho (used to play in Sivasspor[a central anatolian city]) said that he is old now and enjoys family-time instead of night-life. And you must consider the fact that young football players are risking their academic careers in order to play football. Due to education system. And there is a lack of disipline among Turkish players due to this class differences. There is already a foreign quota in Turkey but if thay quota is expanded Turkish players know that their teams need them so they give up working altogether and teams pay non-sense salaries and money to transfer such players. Even if that player is raised in foreign county like Eren Derdiyok which Galatasaray needed him the most (after Gomis sale) failed to raise up so GS had to buy other strikers with the money they gained by selling Ozan Kabak. Even the clubs that dont have big odds of winning the title buys players from other nationalities whom are mostly old so they have character. There is Şener a player in Fenerbahçe who was offered in an exchange with Beşiktaş for Tolgay Arslan. And he refused Beşiktaş because they didnt accepted to pay him 2.8m (which FB does) their offer was 2.2 and he refused bc of that 0.6m. His contract with FB ends in 6 months. Because of his attitude FB had to pay money for Tolgay Arslan. Everyone in the world knows Arda Turan and how he failed to rise-up in Barcelona. Same reasons but localized. As auidience we want to see quality football not Turkish players with egos like zlatan and careers like shit.

  • @denizberkinmis
    @denizberkinmis Před 5 lety

    Good points made here.I thank you for this video as a turkish football supporter

  • @ahsdjasashdahs9940
    @ahsdjasashdahs9940 Před 5 lety

    As a Turk who previously played in the youth academies i thank you for this video man,good job

  • @fuckmesidewaysdaddy7875
    @fuckmesidewaysdaddy7875 Před 5 lety +106

    I think fenabache might go bust as there in a relegation fight this year and are in the relegation zone at the moment

    • @iPlayGaminG92
      @iPlayGaminG92 Před 5 lety +26

      great username lol

    • @MrCemsipahi
      @MrCemsipahi Před 5 lety +18

      FENERBAHCE is a very big republic on its own. Probably bigger than half of the countries in the european continent. Its men's basketball team is on the top of the euroleague, women's volleyball team is one of the best in the world, it sends runners, boxers, rowers, table tennis players etc to the olympic games...If it was only about the football branch, it would make profit as the team has huge stadium and sponsorship revenues let alone the tv deal and the transfer income. Though, the club has to sponsor other amateur branches with money coming from football. In the worst case scenario, Fenerbahce fans would chpi in and donate money and would take the club out of its situation and help it pay off its debt. This club has strongly dedicated tens of millions of fans.

    • @ahmetsen8145
      @ahmetsen8145 Před 5 lety +21

      @@MrCemsipahi.. and +600 Mil. In debt 🤔

    • @korgaw8563
      @korgaw8563 Před 5 lety +17

      As a Fenerbahçe fan there are some things you should know. First of all in summer 2018 we elected a new president, Ali Koç, who is one of the richest in the country, second Ali Koç and his team are the only ones interested in youth development amongs the big teams and by far they are the most visionary ones. Third the only reason we are in relegation zone is Ali’s plan A failed and due to inexperience in football administration he didn’t make a plan B but as his suppprters we mostly forgive him. Fourth in december we signed a new manager, Ersun Yanal, he is the record holder for fastest süper lig championship earned and he loves this club as we love him as fans, we believe he will fix the situation. And last of all Fenerbahçe’s goal is always becoming champions, we dont give a shit about being in relegation zone because we know it is temporary.

    • @roadrunner6224
      @roadrunner6224 Před 5 lety +9

      @@korgaw8563 heard all of that from HSV in Germany for years and now they were relegated.

  • @poshetkamil
    @poshetkamil Před 5 lety

    Seems like a very accurate account of what has happened to Turkish football clubs. Well done.

  • @Theo-fp2oe
    @Theo-fp2oe Před 5 lety +3

    Thing is you're not bringing in hagi, popescu, jardel, alex etc. These 30+ yr olds are mostly has beens in search of their last pay check. A lot of them are injury stricken as well. Every flop from the epl etc, every top league's trash gets linked with Turkish sides and It's because they know they'll pay. Other clubs take advantage of their incompetence wrt to running a club.
    As for the young kids, since reputation takes priority and you are still considered young at 24, it's virtually impossible to make it. This result based mentality, means club owners are impatient. Eventually though they'll be forced to play their own kids and they'll find that this is more pleasing because these kids will be extremely grateful for the opportunity and will give 110%.

  • @Eminosrrr
    @Eminosrrr Před 5 lety +1

    Best video about the Turkish football.

  • @iancypes5911
    @iancypes5911 Před 5 lety

    3:52 is that DC United's stadium?

  • @JerKKeR
    @JerKKeR Před 2 lety

    I just saw this video and it's sad to see how not a lot has changed. While the clubs finally began to bring in younger national talent, my favorite club (Fenerbahçe) just signed Mbwana Sanatta, another former star played behind his prime. I don't know what to think of that club anymore

  • @MrCemsipahi
    @MrCemsipahi Před 5 lety +1

    that's a good video analysis but you forgot to mention that big clubs of Turkish football also have many different amateur branches and they are entitled to raise athletes on these sports as they are not privately owned companies but sports clubs that are publicly owned, based on membership status. If they had only the football branches only had to deal with the finances of football, they would make profit every year. Government still taxes them on these amateur branches and this is one of the major causes of their large debts.

  • @Maatteessuff
    @Maatteessuff Před 5 lety

    Excellent piece of work that sums up everything wrong with turkish football, great work!

  • @denizozbay7172
    @denizozbay7172 Před 5 lety +2

    Seeing my city’s team Mersin İdman Yurdu was really interesting 😀
    Hope our football gets better over time. I think one of the biggest problems here is that everybody knows that we should be educating and growing young and talented footballers instead of wasting money on old footballers; yet nobody tries to do that (except for a few clubs). Beacause everybody tries to success and gain love and reputation in a short amount of time,instead of investing for the future.
    Still, i have hopes for getting better since some young players raised by clubs are getting attention and being sold to bigger european clubs,and also some clubs are starting to focus on paying debts more than wasting a lot of money bc of uefa financial fairplay(at least my team galatasaray does)
    I hope that everything gets better.

    • @laoganmafootballclub6632
      @laoganmafootballclub6632 Před 5 lety +1

      I love our small teams getting featured. Is Mersin in the 1. Lig?

    • @denizozbay7172
      @denizozbay7172 Před 5 lety

      Sanitation Boy Not sure it’s so deep that i can’t even follow, must be amateur league tho

  • @egesalkim
    @egesalkim Před 5 lety +1

    I have been enlighhtened by some foreign guy about our national football :) Good job thank you.

  • @BagasSept
    @BagasSept Před 5 lety

    Debts higher than assets? How tf does it mean? Negative equity?

  • @oguzhan9424
    @oguzhan9424 Před 5 lety

    Well im a Galatasaray fan and eventhough im not happy with the transfer of Ozan Kabak to Stuttgart im happy with the overall determination of the Turkish clubs this season. First of all, all Turkish SuperLig clubs (with exception of 1 or 2 clubs) have a positive transfer spending. Ive never seen such a feat in Turkish football. Second, eventhough its way below potential, there are some young players emerging and clubs tend to develop young players because they have seen there could be earned good money out of that. Third, and maybe most exciting, the new stadiums... It will take some time for the Turkish supporters to addapt to the new stadiums but this is such a huge improvement that this feat only should be able to produce more excitement in Turkish football.
    The way i see it is that there is a change going on in Turkish football. That there is a will to improve things. And they have at least untill 2023 the time to realize the changes into positive results. The reason why? Simply because there will be neough money aviable for the Turkish football, and thats one of the most needed elements (unfortunatly) in modern football.
    P.s.: why use currency in your video thats not being used anymore?

  • @Ali-lr2jv
    @Ali-lr2jv Před 5 lety

    amazing video, from a fenerbahce fan (its pronounced fener-bah-che btw) this season has been very depressing

  • @7must9
    @7must9 Před 5 lety

    This is really good summerazing and 100% true. Only I can add that, Fenerbahce's chairman changed early in this year who was managing the club for 20 years. New chairman is a really wise man and he is so strong, he already influeced the other clubs. The crisis will be solved in 5 6 years, I believe. Great work, thank you.

  • @civilservant9528
    @civilservant9528 Před 5 lety +2

    Make an episode about Riku Riski declining to go to qatar with the finnish NT, and how it shows that individual athletes can influence the world.

  • @batuhanymn
    @batuhanymn Před 5 lety

    great content

  • @GamePark16
    @GamePark16 Před 5 lety +14

    Just make a video for Basaksehir.. Then you can see how goverment can "REALLY" support to football clubs in Turkey.

  • @mazlumv
    @mazlumv Před 5 lety +1

    Turkish people have low income (minimum wage is about €340 per month). Despite this, Turkey has a population of 80 million who love and spend money in football. this population generates an average of 100-150 million euros each year for big clubs (galatasaray, fenerbahçe, beşiktaş). Turkish football can create its own economic dynamics. The problem is how this money is used. clubs do not have an owner, they are associations. club managers are elected every 3 years, and if they cannot succeed, then 3 years later (or earlier) someone else takes over. This situation prevents stability in management and football policy.

  • @ataalknnergis6465
    @ataalknnergis6465 Před 5 lety

    Wonderful job! The strategy that depends on buying is no more sustainable. Youth academies and scouting is crucial. No credit left to make mistakes for the Big 4.

  • @jayjayson9613
    @jayjayson9613 Před 5 lety

    One team has a 25k Stadium yet went from the Super League to Amateurs...damn!

  • @abbba2007
    @abbba2007 Před 5 lety

    Finally you made it

  • @taxsi
    @taxsi Před 5 lety

    there is not such, both comprehensive and concise and yet precise information in Turkish anywhere.. thanks.

  • @falcon4558
    @falcon4558 Před 5 lety

    well said

  • @numandut4831
    @numandut4831 Před 5 lety +11

    They need to fix the economy. Education and everything else before football. Sorry I love football but those things need fixing first

  • @pokeci677
    @pokeci677 Před 5 lety

    as a Turk i can agree all words in this video... i am a Fenerbahce fan so this season very heartbreaking for us but ffp is a chance for the clubs changing their transfer policies in Turkey so i hope we'll see the brighter days

  • @denizb29
    @denizb29 Před 5 lety +1

    Damn good video!!! The only thing that is missing is the mentioning the fact that the big 3 clubs are not only football clubs but actually sports clubs. They compete in various other sports like basketball and volleyball. This is also contributing to the clubs financial problems.

  • @greekpatriot13
    @greekpatriot13 Před 5 lety

    Tifo we are waiting for a legendary timeline video of Chris Wilder,manager of Sheffield United and his great achievements

  • @knightwave4mc
    @knightwave4mc Před 5 lety

    Would you make a new video on the proposed USL promotion/relegation? Your videos are very good and I think you could do it justice to explain well. Thanks.

  • @elcochiloco1456
    @elcochiloco1456 Před 5 lety

    Wow. If it wasn’t for minimal difference I’d think you were talking about liga mx

  • @m01417
    @m01417 Před 5 lety

    I see Tifo.. I like

  • @salihalash4111
    @salihalash4111 Před 5 lety

    Cant blv i watched this , the turkish football suffering from austeristy leasure and economic crisis is exactly the same affecting Sudanese football, sudanese and african big club almerreikh is failing to play late player wages and failing to buy superstars withinf the continent due to lack of funds to even pay wages due to big fall in value of Sudanese pounds to dollar. Now merreikh has striggles continentally in african cl or confederation to get even in group stages. Something Sudanese clubs rare end up, now sudanese clubs even alhilal cant even perfome well in africa and this dropped the overall points of sudanese football in africa. Clubs that were voted to be best in africa are now atriggling sadly

  • @NickName_123
    @NickName_123 Před 3 lety +1

    English:Long Live Our Race
    Türkçe:Yaşası Irkımız

  • @kadnan6111
    @kadnan6111 Před 5 lety

    been to galatasaray and besiktas games amazing hope things improve

  • @Terreas123
    @Terreas123 Před 5 lety

    amazing video

  • @TheNizoubizou
    @TheNizoubizou Před 5 lety +21

    wow i just checked the turkish league, fenerbahce is in the relegation zone

    • @kevindurnan7314
      @kevindurnan7314 Před 5 lety

      Me too

    • @TheNizoubizou
      @TheNizoubizou Před 5 lety +1

      @Atilla fair points you made there but i disagree with you about french league. it's psg that overshadowing the quality of the other french clubs, don't forget they are supported by a country ! ligue 1 produces many talented players, it's just the taxes are too high so they can't keep their best players when they are in demand.

    • @memedbengul4350
      @memedbengul4350 Před 5 lety

      @Atilla who is Yusuf Printer and is he color, black and white, laser?

    • @memedbengul4350
      @memedbengul4350 Před 5 lety

      @Atilla Allah'tan Ozan Kabak'tan bahsetmemissin.

    • @GoogleGebruiker
      @GoogleGebruiker Před 5 lety

      @Atilla euhm....the Dutch Eredivisie is more competitive than just 2 clubs. :/ You got like PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord and AZ Alkmaar. It's more competitive than the Turkish league lol.

  • @yasinkaraca4840
    @yasinkaraca4840 Před 5 lety

    Ziraat Bank and Deniz Bank will pay interest debt and taxes but How economic configuration will be, we don't know.The state won't let them sink.

  • @Mesaldo340
    @Mesaldo340 Před 5 lety

    Love “tifo”.

  • @-_-dajee-_-40
    @-_-dajee-_-40 Před 5 lety

    It did not say how Trabzonspor has amazing talents In the squad right now Yusuf Yazici, Adulkadir Omur, Ugurcan Cakir , Huseyin Turkmen and Abdulkadir Parmak. Other than that as a a Trabzonspor fan this 100% true great vid .

    • @shanks6404
      @shanks6404 Před 5 lety

      Hahaha Abdülkadir ömür disinda (ki o da cok istikrarsiz ve simarik) hicbiri yetenekli degil, anadolu topculari bunlar, not trabzonsporluyum

  • @barsatik5635
    @barsatik5635 Před 5 lety +1

    Its all good but that turkish lira is a decade old mate :D

  • @necipemreyilmaz61
    @necipemreyilmaz61 Před 5 lety

    you have to add Trabzonspor as a 4th biggest club in Turkey. Because Trabzonspor has 7 championship in Turkish Super League. You need to see that history...
    But I like very much your all videos..Thank you

  • @rastazorastra1772
    @rastazorastra1772 Před 5 lety +10

    As a turk this is very depressing. I hope we get back to our glory days of futbol. Galatasaray uefa winners

    • @CemUyank
      @CemUyank Před 5 lety

      @@MrPrebuttal How about Cengiz Ünder? Mesut Özil? Hakan Çalhanoğlu? Don't compare them with Arda Turan...

    • @MrPrebuttal
      @MrPrebuttal Před 5 lety

      Cem Uyanık cem, ben londra yasiyom. Turkler futboldsn hic bir bok bilmiyorlar. Ozil and arda were top players, under and cahanoglu are SHIT hahaha

    • @shanks6404
      @shanks6404 Před 5 lety +1

      Yeah except Gündogan Özil And Emre can Arent turkish they are german, calhanoglu is also a Product of german Football he just Chose to play for turkey, Ünder is the only good player so he has a Point turkish Football is garbage

    • @greekpatriot13
      @greekpatriot13 Před 5 lety +1

      you certainly need a mastermind tactical genius like terim in order to succeed

    • @rastazorastra1772
      @rastazorastra1772 Před 5 lety +1

      @@shanks6404 they are Turkish. They chose to play for Germany to advance their careers. You don't need to explain to people what German/Turk is. We're at the 4th generation of them at this point. If you think they're not Turkish that's very ironic. And somehow Calhanoglu ends up being a product of German futbol. Like not only did you somehow bullshit your way to claiming 3 of them you tried to get the 4th one using that Lol.

  • @kaitospin3944
    @kaitospin3944 Před 5 lety

    I wish the best for Turkey and it's league. beautiful country and some of the most passionate football fans in Europe and the world!
    I hope they get together and invest a lot more in youth academies.

  • @Mehmetcnoney
    @Mehmetcnoney Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the incredible video. As a Turkish citizen I must say that you explained it way better than any Turkish newspaper or journalist. Putting aside government pressure, people are afraid to get fans anger on themselves, they don't speak the truth. As every single sector in Turkey, football is also going bankrupt. I am not sad. I am happy about it. It does not deserve the value it has or it had, and I'm very much happy to see that everything goes down under the AKP regime. Thanks Erdoğan, destroying everything we love.
    Türk futbolunu Türklerden daha iyi anlatan bir video olmuş. Bu konuyu da yabancılardan öğreniyoruz, hem medyamızın, hem taraftarlarımızın hem de hükümetimizin ayıbıdır bu.

  • @shanks6404
    @shanks6404 Před 5 lety

    The only Hope I have is that the Teams have to invest in their youth now And many are doing it actually so This might be a turning Point in turkish Football, one can only Hope.

  • @georgetware2098
    @georgetware2098 Před 5 lety +5

    Joe, will you be my best man?

  • @U_C_G
    @U_C_G Před 5 lety

    Galatassary: (Playing in the Turkish league with austerity measures, huge debts and a European ban) -spends 38 million in the transfer window.
    Arsenal: (Playing in the PL as the 6th most valuable club in the world with no debts, years of European football and years of making a net profit under Arsene Wenger) -can't buy lead target Denis Suarez for 20 mil because they have apparently zero money.
    Can someone please explain how this makes any sense?!

  • @derdummeasi
    @derdummeasi Před 5 lety

    I was wishing for years that Turkish clubs would invest in a youth program. So this crisis is really a chance. I hope we make it right. Football is loved so much in turkey. We rly need that.

  • @suleimanmustafa1473
    @suleimanmustafa1473 Před 5 lety +7

    I wonder how the Venezuela inflation crisis has affected football in the country

    • @shyshy4273
      @shyshy4273 Před 5 lety +6

      Suleiman Mustafa Club Football is not as great in Venezuela. If I’m right, almost no Venezuelan bats an eye to the domestic club league there as baseball domestic teams and baseball domestic league dominates.
      Idk about how Vinotinto’s finances being affected by the depression in Venezuela. Anyway, Vinotinto’s FIFA ranking greatly improved in the last 21 years as a result of investments in the team by Dictator Hugo Chavez as he need to use it as soft power to other pink tide nations.

    • @nagibrich1270
      @nagibrich1270 Před 5 lety +1

      Here in venezuela the league was always shit

    • @muhdahnaf7927
      @muhdahnaf7927 Před 5 lety

      That's much worser

  • @snickii8184
    @snickii8184 Před 5 lety

    isn't Galatasaray have less debts and started make money? they sell Ozan Kabak for 13m euros and he played only for 4 months. also there is much young talents who are playing for Galatasaray as well

  • @cema.3211
    @cema.3211 Před 5 lety +8

    Good video but you forgot to mention a very important aspect of the current league, Başakşehir. The club right now sits at top of the league and it constantly makes huge transfers like Robinho, Adebayor and Demba Ba. They play in empty stadiums and their sponsors are related to the government and municipality. They use the money of people of Istanbul without any consent, such as money from the public transportation and public parking. The president of the club is married to a relative of Erdoğan's wife and all the money comes from government.

  • @abdullahkaanturker4656

    I hope our media will show that video or talk about economic sitiations more. There is still overpaid players and wasting money here. As a fan of Beşiktaş, i didn't watch a club grown youngster shining in the pitch since Sergen Yalçın. Our clubs have to understand what should they do now or they will banktrupt and government's club (Başakşehir FK) will be only big club in Turkey.