Why are the WET tyres in F1 NEVER used?

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  • Explaining the reasons behind hardly ever seeing the wet weather tyre during F1 Grand Prix weekends...
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  • @bdito2161
    @bdito2161 Před rokem +5412

    I always love hearing Martin Brundle say "Let them race already. They're the 20 best drivers in the world. Let them figure it out".

    • @metro3313
      @metro3313 Před rokem +541

      Meanwhile Latifi: 🏎️🔄🔃↩️↪️🔥
      Everyone else: 🤦‍♂️

    • @bigbadt
      @bigbadt Před rokem +236

      @@metro3313 goatifi only uses 0.01% of his power so others can have a chance.

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Před rokem +44

      The drivers themselves supported the decision to delay the start of the race. It's a circuit full of blind corners, close walls and being a night race you can add the glare. Having a race full of SC's and VSC's (not to mention red flags) would be super frustrating.

    • @granteyyyy
      @granteyyyy Před rokem +59

      @@soundscape26 the race was full of SCs and VSCs

    • @Deckzwabber
      @Deckzwabber Před rokem +32

      The 19 best and Latifi

  • @r0b3rt_959
    @r0b3rt_959 Před rokem +2869

    F1 when missiles strike: 😃
    F1 when it's raining: 🤬

    • @KingofFray
      @KingofFray Před rokem

      so for Japanese GP we need north korea to nuke japan or what?

    • @EinfachnurItax360
      @EinfachnurItax360 Před rokem +14

      True ✌️

    • @gpapazac
      @gpapazac Před rokem +166

      F1: WHAT mi$$iles??? We didn't $ee any mi$$iles!

    • @ricofabian1874
      @ricofabian1874 Před rokem +20

      @@gpapazac uhh i think your s broke

    • @enmanuel7112
      @enmanuel7112 Před rokem +83

      @@ricofabian1874 you didn't get it, admit it

  • @DaKiesel
    @DaKiesel Před rokem +2009

    Yeah we were robbed of unpredictable and exciting races TWICE now this season, because race control decided to wait for an eternity until it is dry enough.
    It is also extremely unfair towards the smaller teams, because they don't have a chance to benefit from chaotic circumstances.

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Před rokem +20

      The race was somewhat unpredictable with all the SC's and VSC's... the problem is that it's borderline impossible to overtake in Singapore without DRS (and even with it it's quite hard) so trains will form.

    • @WorldLoveGaming
      @WorldLoveGaming Před rokem +18

      Problem with Monaco: power outage
      Problem with Singapore: new tarmac in Sector 3. Do you really want Nürburgring 2007 to happen again?

    • @ElMoShApPiNeSs
      @ElMoShApPiNeSs Před rokem +11

      @@soundscape26 Redbull Ferrari Ferrari. Wow so unpredictable. Who could've seen that coming.

    • @neilgoro9609
      @neilgoro9609 Před rokem +5

      @@soundscape26 I was at the Singapore GP. The conditions were way too bad for wet tires, not to mention there was some serious lightning for some of the delay.

    • @lolzlolz102
      @lolzlolz102 Před rokem +9

      @@neilgoro9609 It had mostly stopped raining 20 minutes before the original start time. While a delay was pretty inevitable, they could have got going long before the actual start. If there is going to be a significant delay why do we need all the usual preamble when its finally time to get going? Why can't the teams do what they usually do on the grid but from the garages then send all the cars out for the formation lap from the pits?

  • @Suh
    @Suh Před rokem +689

    I really didn't understand why they delayed Singapore. Still today, I can't find an answer. WET tyres were ideal for such conditions and I think it would've made for crazy pitstop strats for inters and then dry tyres

    • @rosco3
      @rosco3 Před rokem +45

      Cause the track is already unsafe and unfit for F1 even dry.

    • @ferdievanschalkwyk1669
      @ferdievanschalkwyk1669 Před rokem +13

      19 best drivers in the world. Plus Goatifi or Mazepin

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Před rokem +22

      Poor visibility and close walls for the most part. It's a very peculiar track where almost every retirement forces a SC or a VSC.

    • @Neuroanalisis
      @Neuroanalisis Před rokem +24

      Visibility, the track is iluminated with thousands of lamps that reflect light at various angles, water spray in the air make this reflections spread out and lower visiblity much much more than if it was at day light.

    • @Mao_tse_tung
      @Mao_tse_tung Před rokem +15

      Street tracks get super greasy when wet compared to a dedicated race track with a clean surface

  • @RobertBarton86
    @RobertBarton86 Před rokem +696

    It was amusing watching the MotoGP races in Thailand the same weekend. There was so much rain (especially during Moto2) that there was effectively a river across the tarmac. Despite running on 2 tires, instead of 4, they still ventured out on their wet tyres. If MotoGP can race in the wet, then F1 should certainly be able to as well.

    • @imrandarr1094
      @imrandarr1094 Před rokem +21

      What I heard from it is that riders weren’t happy with that decision. So expect that not to happen again.

    • @NiSE_Rafter
      @NiSE_Rafter Před rokem +45

      @@imrandarr1094 It seemed mixed. Aleix Espargaro strongly voiced concerns so the directors went around the grid to ask each rider for their opinion. As far as I could tell, there were enough riders who didn't mind the wet that they decide to go ahead and start.

    • @byakugan641
      @byakugan641 Před rokem +4

      @@NiSE_Rafter especially Miguel, we all know what he can do in the wets

    • @sjoerd7512
      @sjoerd7512 Před rokem +14

      I still can’t get my head around how the bike doesn’t slip away from under them when they go through corners in the wet, it just seems like it defies physics

    • @FOREST10PL
      @FOREST10PL Před rokem +22

      @@sjoerd7512 Contact patch is way smaller so aquaplanning is less of an issue

  • @MassEffect1988
    @MassEffect1988 Před rokem +407

    The fact that F1 use to race in full wets when I was growing up watching it, makes me sad 😫 but yes, there's no point having wet tyres nowadays as if it's "too wet", then there's no race at all and those tyres aren't used... 🙄

    • @gadgetguy1379
      @gadgetguy1379 Před rokem +20

      I remember watching F1 like 6/7 years ago and they used wets all the time. I miss the blue stripes showing up on track 😢

    • @MassEffect1988
      @MassEffect1988 Před rokem +11

      @@gadgetguy1379 same here! It's a shame especially as the cars are MUCH safer now than when they actually did race in full wet 🤔 so that confuses me a bit...

    • @mahiru20ten
      @mahiru20ten Před rokem

      The problem is most likely the standing water that caused aquaplanning. Heavy rain would cause lots of standing water.

    • @bangkokom
      @bangkokom Před rokem

      Well since the tyres are bigger this year, we see its not very safe now....

    • @mayhare55555
      @mayhare55555 Před rokem +1

      @@mahiru20ten then you have the answer: full wet tyres

  • @SimRacingVeteran
    @SimRacingVeteran Před rokem +146

    Spa 2021 was a weird day. There was a dense fog in the air and the mist from cars made visibility very bad. But the Singapore GP this year could have started at the proper time and it would have been fine.

  • @DorvenNevandar
    @DorvenNevandar Před rokem +176

    I remember a time when there were 3 types of wet weather tyres: Intermediates, Full Wets and the Monsoon Tyre (I believe that‘s what it was called). So it is just a form of natural progression that the full wets aren’t used anymore. In 20 years the inter gets the axe.

    • @hdr_diamondz
      @hdr_diamondz Před rokem +2

      What, so no more wet racing?

    • @WildGalago
      @WildGalago Před rokem +36

      @@hdr_diamondz The way its going it would not surprise me, the race will get cancelled if its lightly raining lol

    • @MsZeeZed
      @MsZeeZed Před rokem +4

      We’ve already been through period that before the useless Monsoon tires. First gen Inters were pointless and avoided

    • @Chase92488
      @Chase92488 Před rokem +6

      NASCAR even races in the wets sometimes nowadays, with cars that basically don't have breaks....

    • @Sn0w_Official
      @Sn0w_Official Před rokem +16

      @@Chase92488 Honestly at this point F1 might as well invest in giant track blowers and dryers like Nascar to just blow off water on the tracks if this is how things are goin

  • @tiedtheknotable
    @tiedtheknotable Před rokem +244

    Why isn't anyone asking Pirelli why their wet weather tyres are so bad in the wet? Why can't they produce a better wet weather tyre that the drivers and teams will actually use. The comment by Seb only goes to show that neither the teams nor drivers want to use the current wet weather tyres, so make them better.

    • @izanefe4231
      @izanefe4231 Před rokem +45

      pirelli are probably going to try out new wet compounds for next year, I really doubt they don't see the issues with the current wets, same as they see the issue with the tyres having too much rear balance

    • @neissy
      @neissy Před rokem +5

      This gave me Karen vibes

    • @ericlakor3133
      @ericlakor3133 Před rokem +19

      No need to invest too much in a tire that gets used maybe once or twice in the calendar

    • @blizzard6741
      @blizzard6741 Před rokem +6

      Maybe the drivers should get better

    • @SimRacingVeteran
      @SimRacingVeteran Před rokem +9

      I mean it’s an equally shit tire for everyone. I don’t see a problem. Like the comment above me. Maybe they need to get good.

  • @faustinaadu2284
    @faustinaadu2284 Před rokem +24

    The problem is the FIA. When Masi was with the FIA, he was more daring. He let drivers race in torrential conditions, like the Start of Germany 2019 GP and Q3 in Belgium GP Qualifying. Those were wet weather conditions. I think the current FIA do not like to race in conditions like these because of what happens at Belgium in 2021. They care about safety. The problem is, if we keep waiting for the rain to clear for intermediates, when the weather is perfectly fine for wets, then we never get any race time.

    • @hotshtsr20
      @hotshtsr20 Před rokem +1

      Masi also oversaw that abortion at Spa 2021...

    • @hotshtsr20
      @hotshtsr20 Před rokem

      @paper plane I agree on not racing.
      The safety car parade, however, was an abortion so F1 didn't need to refund anything.

    • @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you
      @just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Před rokem +3

      @@hotshtsr20 buddy, there was fog and then rain during the Spa 2021, combined that with the spray these cars create, making the visibility even worse. Now compare that with this recent Singapore 2022 GP, there was no fog, just rain.

    • @hotshtsr20
      @hotshtsr20 Před rokem

      @@just_some_bigfoot_hacking_you Don’t call me buddy, pal. :)
      I’m talking about the farce that was a “race” more than go/no go on racing.

  • @gallahant
    @gallahant Před rokem +35

    Remember the Bridgestone inters? They could run at a window that covers the current Pirelli full wets up to a bone dry track and still go strong.

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 Před rokem +56

    Back in the 1990s I remember a race at Spa where Jordan changed to Goodyear full wets during a pit stop and I remember pit lane reporter for RTE (Irish television) Declan Quigley saying "they've gone onto the full quatro wets, soft option". Now that suggests to me that they not only had full wets but different compound options of full wet tyres!

    • @juliusfucik4011
      @juliusfucik4011 Před rokem +11

      They did. I remember this time very well.

    • @falc3dprinting157
      @falc3dprinting157 Před rokem +5

      They had intermediates, full wets and moonsoon tires

    • @TheCatLady65
      @TheCatLady65 Před rokem

      Full wets are soft compound only. The different tread patterns determine the type.

  • @VictorDeveze
    @VictorDeveze Před rokem +8

    Yeah, rain nowadays means boring race and a possibility of no race at all… wet racing used to be fun, now it’s something I dread

    • @phoebesmith8154
      @phoebesmith8154 Před rokem +1

      I was so happy when I saw it was raining last Sunday. ‘Oh this is gunna be good!’ Nope.

  • @u-wot-n8
    @u-wot-n8 Před rokem +80

    I think an ideal solution would be to develop a truly slick intermediate like Toyota used in their LMP1 program to huge success, or maybe groove then slightly on the shoulders like some inters, (probably unpopular opinion coming up) make the inter a 'wet' tire slightly more optimized for conditions wetter than a drying track, and then redevelop the wet tire to not suck and have it as a monsoon wet.
    Edit: what I'm really saying is bring back a dang tire war.

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Před rokem +16

      That would involve F1 learning from other series though so it's simply not possible.

    • @prodollie572
      @prodollie572 Před rokem +5

      @@BiggieTrismegistus 💀💀

    • @famv7
      @famv7 Před rokem +2

      Like Bridgestone tires? 👀🤣🤡

  • @SsgtHolland
    @SsgtHolland Před rokem +8

    Man, you nailed the timing on this video...

  • @skynet0912
    @skynet0912 Před rokem +7

    In the early days of me watching F1 back in 2005, hearing that rain was expected was exciting!
    Now, hearing rain is expected is a sign that i can wait half an hour or even an hour to tune in...

    • @byakugan641
      @byakugan641 Před rokem

      an hour? you can even wait until the race ended, im talking to you Spa

  • @FourCokebog19
    @FourCokebog19 Před rokem +23

    Well this aged perfectly. It was like 2 laps of wet tires 😂

  • @Lostsage01
    @Lostsage01 Před rokem +18

    If the full wets are too hard to be usable (per Seb’s comment) then Pirelli should soften the compound or otherwise improve them so that they can be used. Or make a tire in between the full wets and inters and ditch the full wets, no one ever uses them anyway

  • @mich2962
    @mich2962 Před rokem +9

    this video aged well after the japanese GP

  • @harryballs2191
    @harryballs2191 Před rokem +5

    You jinxed it mate!😅

  • @y__h
    @y__h Před rokem +30

    The problem is exactly the innovation introduced this year: Ground effect aero. The kind of puddles and rivers that forms on the track will easily disrupt the work of underbody aero devices, causing unpredictable amount of grips they can generate. I don't think the FIA will allow anymore drenched wet race until they and the teams understand the behaviour of these cars on wet conditions better.
    Source: trust me bro.

    • @bizarrefruit9133
      @bizarrefruit9133 Před rokem +5

      I've wondered the same and the ground effect may be a bigger challenge in those conditions, but a wet clause in the regulations could allow them to adjust ride height to manage that in the wet, similar to how tyre requirements during wet races changes.
      Cars also don't always have to be driven at full speed, something which F1 seems to forget a lot these days. The drivers will find the limit regardless of conditions, if that is 60mph they'll do that until they can try for 61.

    • @MsZeeZed
      @MsZeeZed Před rokem +2

      While is technically true the recent mandatory 15mm ride height imcrease has incidentally negated that risk.

  • @oscardanson7127
    @oscardanson7127 Před rokem +63

    Completely agree.
    What's the point of having a wet weather tire if you're not going to start the race until it's dry?

    • @TheMrFishnDucks
      @TheMrFishnDucks Před rokem +3

      They're for clearing the water behind safety car and then you start racing on the intermediate.

  • @vredenburger
    @vredenburger Před rokem

    this, like the past five wtf1 videos i’ve watched, does not on any way answer the question posed by the title, nor provide any information or analysis i couldn’t find anywhere (everywhere) else. keep doing what you’re doing lads, what a hustle you’ve got going

  • @dannyarcher6370
    @dannyarcher6370 Před rokem +7

    This aged well.

  • @WorldLoveGaming
    @WorldLoveGaming Před rokem +29

    There used to be a Super Hard tyre in 2018 and it never got used

    • @philipps1158
      @philipps1158 Před rokem +2

      the orange ones? yea I remember that xD for the dry condition tyres I like that season a lot. but I would love to see more rain starts and stuff when there is an opportunity

    • @jtwjtw1996
      @jtwjtw1996 Před rokem

      Wasn't they called monsoon tyres

    • @izanefe4231
      @izanefe4231 Před rokem +1

      ah, back when there were 7 dry compounds, weird times

    • @matthiasehling6763
      @matthiasehling6763 Před rokem +1

      @@mangoofmagic4305 no, only 5 dry...

    • @Jooonaaaah
      @Jooonaaaah Před rokem +5

      @@matthiasehling6763 No they actually had 7 dry tyres in 2018 with the hypersoft, ultrasoft, supersoft, soft, medium, hard and superhard

  • @PLZFrosty
    @PLZFrosty Před rokem +7

    Totally agree. If Sainz aquaplaned in Suzuka on the wets like he did on the inters i would not be angry at the pause, like Malaysia 2009

  • @uneasycylinder
    @uneasycylinder Před rokem

    I’ve been following F1 for as long as I can remember because my family have been following it since before I was born but I was never really Into It, like I’d watch it with the family if it was on and laugh at one of the driver’s names being shortened to “Ham” (still quite amusing) and that was it. Until, lockdown 2020 when the weekly race weekends were a real comfort and thus began my descent into The Car Fandom. Really got into it this year and pages like your guys’ are really nice and comforting as a new(ish) fan and it’s fun to be able to hear and learn stuff like this and not feel intimidated :-) Even put your podcast on to keep me company during late night exam cramming haha. WTF1 you guys are so cool!

  • @deepakmenon1612
    @deepakmenon1612 Před rokem +5

    As FIA has great confidance in the Tyre makers.. wet Tyre will never be used

  • @abascalsantiago
    @abascalsantiago Před rokem +5

    Who's watching this video now after the tires get used at Japan GP?

  • @Kommentierer
    @Kommentierer Před rokem +8

    Assuming the wet tyre is actually useful, I am okay with delaying a race start with drivers safety in mind. Especially the start can be dangerous under wet conditions.
    But maybe use them, when rain is getting stronger later in the race?

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Před rokem +3

      Personally I'd rather have a rolling start and a wet race than waiting for the track to dry and having a standing start.

  • @kevinsmits1196
    @kevinsmits1196 Před rokem +7

    I think it's most likely to do with the combination street circuit + full wets. I can imagine the race would've started on a proper circuit with proper run off area

    • @MsZeeZed
      @MsZeeZed Před rokem +1

      Suzuka is not a proper circuit ❌😵‍💫🤔🤭😹
      Try again

    • @kevinsmits1196
      @kevinsmits1196 Před rokem +1

      @@MsZeeZed yeah my comment didnt age well now did it 😂

    • @MsZeeZed
      @MsZeeZed Před rokem

      @@kevinsmits1196 No-one’s about F1 ever do 😹

  • @jayneswinnerton8812
    @jayneswinnerton8812 Před rokem +16

    Instead of removing the wets, knowing f1, they will remove one of the dry tyres lol

  • @jaminlloyd
    @jaminlloyd Před rokem +8

    This aged well 😂

  • @niklasxl
    @niklasxl Před rokem +9

    a artificial wet race could be interesting where the track is kept wet all the way though

    • @andresf754
      @andresf754 Před rokem +4

      Bernie is that you?

    • @kallemetsahalme5701
      @kallemetsahalme5701 Před rokem

      its funny they suggested doing that and now it even couldnt be done... or i guess they could spray like 0.1mm layer of water on the road and then spread it even

  • @dhaug
    @dhaug Před rokem +4

    Great point about the (possible) crossover between wets and intermediates. That is why they should be used!

  • @misterdog7
    @misterdog7 Před rokem

    Hear hear! Great editing too as always.

  • @sambalzone94
    @sambalzone94 Před rokem +7

    I remembered watching the race in Sepang back in 2009. It was an insane event. The race had to stop not even halfway due to how heavy the rain went on. Lots of cars aquaplaned and spun out. But that also showed how each team really skimp on making the car perform even when it comes to wet condition. U would expect the most prestigious racing event should have a car that works on most conditions but nah. Vapour trails coming out of the wing, massive water being diverted by the tyres. Shame we never get to see a race like that anymore.

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError Před rokem

      well there's still that chance for singapore... but then "play it safe" *mr bean shaky palm wave.gif*

  • @dohtje5029
    @dohtje5029 Před rokem +4

    The problem is the wider tyres nowadays it gives off too much spray for safety. (I guess...)
    The 85lt water displacement is just too much for current safety regulations apparently, so make the full wets displace like 55 lt (or make a 3rd compound between inters and full wets) couse the gap from 85lt to 30lt is kinda big..
    Ps I call them "Interslicks" 😉

  • @AndrewGordonBellPerc
    @AndrewGordonBellPerc Před rokem +1

    They should make a tire between intermediate and slicks, that way it would force more strategy to happen while also allowing the F1 to keep the focus on delaying starts for safety

  • @excellent_o_excrement2460
    @excellent_o_excrement2460 Před 2 měsíci

    I agree so much with letting races start on wet conditions- it's so damn fun to see teams and drivers nervously scramble and decide whether they should stick to wets or make the gamble and follow the herd to switch to intermediates.

  • @ChristopherBergsten
    @ChristopherBergsten Před rokem +7

    This did not age well.

  • @neildaniel8232
    @neildaniel8232 Před rokem +4

    They need to go back to only having slicks and a 'wet' option that sits halfway between the current intermediate and the wet tyres. I think it was Bridgestone who introduced the inter tyre, outfoxing Goodyear. Just change the options as if the cars are never going to race in full wet conditions then there's no point having the tyres that can do so.

  • @johanvanes9411
    @johanvanes9411 Před rokem

    I think if they started earlier it would have been only wets to inter. still would have been a nice change. but I think in the future there will be dry compounds and 1 wet compound (the intermediate we have now).

  • @tiedtheknotable
    @tiedtheknotable Před rokem

    Love that image of the car aquaplaning! That's a classic!!!

  • @khawajabasit977
    @khawajabasit977 Před rokem +8

    My opinion is that FIA didn't want to start the race as you guys mentioned the New Wets are a horrendous compound and not liked by drivers so they thought Street courses are more dangerous and likelihood of someone crashing in wet is high, so the red flag for the damage repair would cost them roughly the same amount of time as a delayed start would and when you take into account the prediction was for the rain to blow away FIA decided to wait.
    Both times delays happened at Street circuits. My guess is as Suzuka is a classical track they won't do that again especially after the criticism they've faced by the fans.

    • @tomhutchins7495
      @tomhutchins7495 Před rokem

      The shadow of Jules Bianchi still looms over Suzuka. They won't risk any wet running there.

    • @khawajabasit977
      @khawajabasit977 Před rokem

      @@tomhutchins7495 I'm not quite certain but they had a wet qualifying in 2016 or 2017 but yeah even if that was true I think you're right FIA has gotten a bit too prudent post Abu Dhabi 21.

  • @RapidPursuitRacing
    @RapidPursuitRacing Před rokem +7

    Gets used in Japan Grand Prix 2 days later

  • @riflelover21
    @riflelover21 Před rokem

    I like the term interslicks. As they start in the intermediate then wear to slicks

  • @y_fam_goeglyd
    @y_fam_goeglyd Před rokem +1

    There's a huge difference between using full wets at real circuits and at a street circuit. The streets have high barriers either side (or buildings), and the water that gets thrown up in the air has nowhere to go but back down on the track. In Japan, Brazil and Silverstone, three often wet races, the full wets can clear the track of standing water in a matter of laps, assuming nothing else is adding water to the puddling.
    Spa and Monza have trees which can keep the moisture in the air until the cars generate enough particles into the air where they combine with the mist thrown up. That can make it even _worse_ than at the three mentioned above. Actually Melbourne is pretty good at shifting the heavier rain because of its layout.
    I'll be honest, I don't mind if the race starts behind the safety car. In the wetter conditions, standing starts can be asking for trouble, and I don't know about you, but I have seen far too many crashes in the wet that didn't need to happen if only they'd waited an hour...
    If it's wet at Suzuka, assuming that it's not as insane as Spa last year, they could well use the full wets.

  • @user-ie6jr4bg1w
    @user-ie6jr4bg1w Před rokem +4

    They were literally used today

    • @tijarslv
      @tijarslv Před rokem

      yea after 1 hour delay

    • @vitor.guitarra
      @vitor.guitarra Před rokem +1

      because they were forced to use them... they changed to intermediates as soon as possible

  • @chris-hayes
    @chris-hayes Před rokem +3

    Seems like the big issue is visibility with the amount of spray produced by the wet weather tires.

  • @natehowe4223
    @natehowe4223 Před rokem

    I think if the full wets are necessary so they don’t delay a session also they should add the slinnermidets as a cyan color and it be a medium but work in the cold this would be helpful for the one dry lane

  • @stevesquad7110
    @stevesquad7110 Před rokem

    This week I rewatched 1982 monaco gp, to know there was a car on track half the race without being removed was weird, looking how far it has gone

  • @GarfieldRex
    @GarfieldRex Před rokem +5

    As a pre-slicks watcher (modern era) we need to see wet tyres used more, the pace doesn't matter, is the race! I'd bet red bull would win because it would be a strategy race 👌 sorry Charles

  • @keralis20000
    @keralis20000 Před rokem +9

    Love the vids mate! As an insider, I can assure you that one of the many reasons wets weren’t use was because of the street circuit and it’s proximity from track to wall. Yes Monaco is also a street circuit and wets were use but only because high profile names were at the event and they were getting extremely disappointed with the outcome of waiting, it was Also lower speeds and shorter track. Can you imagine the disaster it would have been to see a wet race in Singapore, if 1/5 of the cars dnf due to drivers mistakes from track conditions or mechanical failure also cause by track conditions it was a sure guarantee double the cars would have on wets. That means more spending on the teams and more controversy over the budget cap. Ultimately it came down to will cars crash and will they exceed the budget cap.

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Před rokem

      I'm not an insider and this was obvious to me... they tried to avoid a chaotic race given the characteristics of the track. Basides the obvious safety of the drivers there's also the potential cost of crashed cars.

    • @nielzee4820
      @nielzee4820 Před rokem

      They don't want New York E prix happening again. And I dunno why everyone can't see this

  • @unwoundsteak17
    @unwoundsteak17 Před rokem +1

    I somehow managed to simulate a difference between wet and inters by accident. I was playing F1 22 MyTeam Career mode, when it was heavy rain at Spa. with like 7 laps to go, the rain backed off to inter conditions. I made the call to go in for inters, and the pit stop sent me from 7th to 21st (would have been 22nd but KMAG exploded). Gasly had somehow made a 16 car DRS train without DRS being active, so I managed to get my way all the way up to 4th place in the span of 5 laps, despite my car being 9th in performance

  • @logantaylor8354
    @logantaylor8354 Před rokem +1

    you showed a gif of a Mariners game, well timed.

  • @josaalberts
    @josaalberts Před rokem +4

    Important fact that you forgot to mention is the new car design which lifts the air up at the back of the car so overtaking will be easier. However during rainy wheter it causis a fog effect, reducing visibility massively.

  • @jjscheckel2
    @jjscheckel2 Před rokem +4

    The most important element of comedy? Timing.

  • @Harrison244
    @Harrison244 Před rokem

    I remember growing up seeing rain was so exciting and now it’s like nascar where we just have to wait and instead of an exciting race with the best of the best having to navigate the conditions it’s predictable and sometimes not even a full race…

  • @tomthumb1322
    @tomthumb1322 Před rokem +1

    A nice soft compound that can hold a little more heat and wear in quite fast would give the tires more of a chance at being chosen over the inters. Meaning they would grip way better than the inters but wouldn't last as long to balance out both types at the end of a long run. You have to give the teams options on both sides so they can work different strategies instead of everyone doing the same thing at the same time. Let a wet specialist slap on a set of wets and go gun-ho for enough laps to get a cushion before hitting the inters with everyone else.

    • @pauls5745
      @pauls5745 Před rokem +2

      yeah the wets need to be softer, maybe split to 2 grades of Wet. they don't heat up and slidey bcs of that even tho they channel the water away well, but inters do that 90% as well. Or maybe they can just make inters the new wet tyre, but split it into hard and soft grades

  • @johncenile8044
    @johncenile8044 Před rokem +5

    I mean it's simple, the FIA sucks at their job and doesn't understand racing in the rain is possible and cancel or delay the race when it rains. Rain is when true driver skill comes out so only ever using inters means the drivers are never truly tested in the wet. FIA needs to stop being so scared.... of racing.

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Před rokem

      The FIA is a completely pointless organization and racing series should just tell it to piss off. All the FIA does is make everything worse with their bureaucratic, overly complicated nonsense.

  • @steveman1982
    @steveman1982 Před rokem +3

    And then suddenly rain tyres did get used, something about Murphy...

  • @SwirlingSoul
    @SwirlingSoul Před rokem +2

    The rain tires are a different skill. Which is what we want to see. We want to see any and all conditions. And for me, that sometimes also includes a boring inline racing day, (or part of) and that also requires focus from the drivers, to keep that up, the circuit itself was NOT easy, so that in itself required skill, especially the second half where everyone was getting tired and bored, and zoned out.... bam...mistakes.
    SO, that sometimes being part of a race, is not just affecting us viewers, but the drivers too.
    I find that an interesting thing, seeing who can deal with that kind of tiredness, and who flies off the track.
    But I agree on wanting to see rain tires and the switch to inters. That's what they're for. I don't care if they work or not...if not, they need to drive slower. They used to, when they were out there in monssoon conditions...they drove more carefully, but drive they did!
    I MISS that. 😭

    • @imrandarr1094
      @imrandarr1094 Před rokem +1

      Singapore is a street track. There’s no where for the water to go. If the race started as scheduled, there would a lot of smashed up cars, unhappy team bosses and possibly a driver being seriously injured.

    • @SwirlingSoul
      @SwirlingSoul Před rokem +2

      @@imrandarr1094 Then they drove too fast. That's my point, "in the older days" they just drove slower under more dangerous conditions. That they COULD go fast, doesn't mean they always should/can. And that is also a part of their skill set, to know when they will drift right off the track, and how to stay on, even if there's a river on track. At least that is my personal opinion ;-) .

  • @user-du2ci1cw7m
    @user-du2ci1cw7m Před rokem +2

    Wet tyres at Suzuka: Is this the day? Is this the day?
    2022 Japanese GP: Yes, unfortunately...

  • @christopheripad477
    @christopheripad477 Před rokem +3

    This hasn’t aged well…… Suzuka says hold my beer.

  • @redemolisher
    @redemolisher Před rokem +3

    So who's here in between the Japanese grand prix? Or rather the lack of one?

  • @Jess-dg6wo
    @Jess-dg6wo Před rokem +1

    Hey Matt it's used in JpGp
    Although it's not team decision

  • @Ryan-uf4nw
    @Ryan-uf4nw Před rokem

    personally i think they should have different wet tire compounds like they did in the past, if the tires are too hard in the current state it makes sense why no drive actively want to use them, it also makes sense why the intermediate tires are used so much because they are softer and can almost perform like a slick tire in the right conditions.

  • @GPitstra37
    @GPitstra37 Před rokem +4

    Even at 2021 Belgium i thought the FIA were too cautious. Look at Canada 2011 and Malaysia 2012. Sectors like lakes.. that's what we want to see

    • @imrandarr1094
      @imrandarr1094 Před rokem

      So you want to see drivers injured I guess?

  • @damonbrown4538
    @damonbrown4538 Před rokem +3

    Funny how right after this came out, they use wets

  • @brolo7234
    @brolo7234 Před rokem +1

    Wet weather races would be great, but some of the circuits like Singapore are just too tight for it to really make sense.
    Wet weather races make a whole lot more sense on tracks with a lot more runoff, gravel and open area beyond the track limits in general.
    As it is, I don't want another Jules Bianchi situation where the conditions led to a truly awful death for a promising young racer.
    We can't expect all of the best drivers to be like Michael Schumacher and Ayrton Senna where they were able to lap their rivals in hurricane conditions.

  • @skojuzija
    @skojuzija Před rokem

    I watched Japan GP from 2007 and they drove with SC for like 15 laps and they countinued normaly so maybe they should do that strategy instead of waiting for track to dry out

  • @turkler1719
    @turkler1719 Před rokem +7

    uoooh wet tire 😭😭

  • @KNuckleZification
    @KNuckleZification Před rokem +5

    Suzuka *cough.

  • @svengoranabela4994
    @svengoranabela4994 Před rokem +1

    Love how right after watching this video I turn on for the Japanese GP free practice 2 and they are running full wets

  • @joewillis3125
    @joewillis3125 Před rokem

    I would imagine they don't like starting with the wet because of Hungary 2021, a handful of cars missed their brakingpoint due to low visibility from the spray of the wet tire, and a lack of grip and there was a huge accident at the 1st corner. and as the wet tires this season aren't great (I don't imagine pirrelli are oblivious to this) they probably want to avoid using them if at all possible.

  • @Brossano22
    @Brossano22 Před rokem +5

    The wet tyres are actually very useful in their tears 😭

  • @kempton1
    @kempton1 Před rokem +4

    who’s here after Suzuka

  • @einstijn138
    @einstijn138 Před rokem +1

    Say what you will about Masi, but he did give us some great spectacles
    He even tried to start Spa, which everyone knew was impossible
    The current race direction will postpone a race start if the humidity is too high

  • @darkainx6159
    @darkainx6159 Před rokem

    at @2:41
    IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!??? 😯THANK YOU!! i really thought i was alone on this xD

  • @Loki-sk7bi
    @Loki-sk7bi Před rokem +4

    I think one of the reasons why we no longer have wet races is that cars are too heavy. Once you lose control, it’s over.

  • @nolife182
    @nolife182 Před rokem +3

    Japanese gp take notes

  • @galaxy_ranger18
    @galaxy_ranger18 Před rokem

    I would say they should add the wets back just with some small improvements so the drivers even think of using them since it was all awesome and cool all the water flying all over the track with those high speed nasty overtakes that verstappen drift back then was all good until that one downfall of pace hope they can make a comeback in f1

  • @Atomicunderware
    @Atomicunderware Před rokem +1

    It's a direct line from the Bianchi accident to where we are. F1 has been terrified of wet weather since that tragic day in Japan.

    • @hedge58
      @hedge58 Před rokem +1

      Yes, that was indeed a tragic and unnecessary accident, but let's not forget the fact that Jules was driving waay to fast, under double yellows in a complete downpour with poor visibility. He didn't even slow down when entering the same corner where Sutil already HAD aquaplaned off the track. So bearing that fact in mind, combined with the introduction of VSC, Halo and so forth, that likely won't happen again. Well...unless you look at Suzuka last weekend when some imbecil once again let out a tractor on track while Gasly was still drivning in zero visibility conditions. The full wets are there to be used, and no tire whatsoever will save you if you hit a tractor head on. If you cannot get the grip you need - slow down or go off. They should be racing instead of waiting for it to dry up.

    • @thedoodlehudson
      @thedoodlehudson Před rokem +1

      @@hedge58 Gasly is entirely to blame for his close encounter with the crane; safety car was out, he was aware of the position of the crash, and yet he was speeding around the track like he was in dry conditions. Safety car means slow the hell down and be ready to stop because there are things out on the track (whether that's a vehicle, debris, or marshalls). The entire grid slowly went past the crane with the safety car before Gasly got there.

  • @mattsteele6367
    @mattsteele6367 Před rokem +4

    This aged like milk

  • @Neferus98
    @Neferus98 Před rokem +3

    here during 2022 japanese gran prix red flag

  • @DrLongdongler
    @DrLongdongler Před rokem

    I can, sort of, understand not using them on a street circuit because there's no run off and the spray is contained within the walls but on open tracks they should get the wets on and race.

  • @derwitzeprofessor1156

    0:29 I have some very dark memories about the last time when there was rain at the Japanese GP...

  • @Ikasima
    @Ikasima Před rokem +4

    0:04 List of useless things in this Universe:
    -WET Tyres
    That's it.

  • @jaydenwise30
    @jaydenwise30 Před rokem +4

    Thanks now I now it actually exists 😅

  • @andrigtmiller
    @andrigtmiller Před rokem +1

    Sounds like they need to improve the compound of the full wet and the FIA may need to revise their procedures for when it's raining too.

  • @vectro4284
    @vectro4284 Před rokem +1

    They’re just afraid.
    I used to be hyped up when i heard there was rain on the horizon, now they aren’t going to race in it anyways and wait until it’s bone dry. It’s such a shame because wet weather races used to be fun.

  • @valeriomassarelli5923
    @valeriomassarelli5923 Před rokem +8

    Who's watching these during the Red flag?

  • @KliqHP
    @KliqHP Před rokem +4

    bring back hypersofts

  • @stanichu_
    @stanichu_ Před rokem +1

    This was the perfect timing to post this video xD

  • @Kieran_OPC
    @Kieran_OPC Před rokem

    I found it ironic as a coincidence I played f1 22 and was in Singapore with wet tyres a couple days before the Friday practice..

  • @WalkerKlondyke
    @WalkerKlondyke Před rokem +5

    Well, this aged poorly

  • @Caramelulllll
    @Caramelulllll Před rokem +7

    This video didn't age well.

  • @sirhammon
    @sirhammon Před rokem

    They need to make inters more like slicks, and wets need to be much more durable to turn into current inters. Maybe put Wet tread on top of the current inters, so the wets turn into inters. And put the inter tread onto slicks and make the inters less able to handle water. Point being, you can have your current inters, but you have to burn through the full wet treat to get there. And the new inters will basically be slicks with a temporary "used inter" tread. Suddenly the full wets will be better since you just need to burn through the tread to get to current inters. And the inters will be for the cross over time to turn into slicks as the track dries out. But not too early lest they become slicks too early. Basically, the tire wear changes with track evolution at about the same rate. Say 5 laps of full wets to get rid of rivers, then the tires turn into inters. Inters last for 5 laps before they turn into slicks.

  • @abc_def-55
    @abc_def-55 Před rokem

    The Pirelli full wets aren't really helped by the fact that their water displacement capability is barely above inters of old. Pirelli full wets are 60l/s, which is impressive compared to their inters 30l/s; however the Bridgestone wets (their "inters") were 55l/s, and their extreme wet (aka monsoon) were capable of 80l/s.
    Though presumably a big reason why the stewards are hesitant to have a race in proper wet conditions is the amount of misty spray the cars throw up that drops visibility to almost zero.