What If Formula 1 Had No Rules?
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What if there were no rules in F1? How fast could the cars go? What would the engineers change? And could the drivers actually survive?
F1 or motorsport with no rules, is something that engineers dream about, and the questions have been asked before.
But there must be SOME rules… there must be somewhere for the driver to sit, there must be four wheels, the laws of physics must be followed, and the car must be optimised for lap time around a Formula One circuit - like Silverstone or Spa.
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This is why Group B rally was legendary. "Rule 1). Have driver. Rule 2). No maiming spectators (optional)."
😂😂😂
I wish it would be brought back to live today.
Like all the issues are solved as with todays camera and drone technology there's far less reason to stand around on the track.
What if my driver happens just so happens to fly a aerobatic jumpjet? There have to be more rules.
rule 3 ... airtimes are mandatory !!! :D
@@jannikheidemann3805
driving on the track is a good rule indeed
292 mph = 469.92 km/h; 310 mph = 498.89 km/h for 94.7% of the world’s population
Ty m8
Lol this reminds me of the nate bargatze snl skit where they are making fun of how the US has the most rtrtd measurement systems. And the real of the planet uses one.
The first numbers are for anyone who lives in a country that has a flag on the moon….
@@alexcolumbus1710 using the apollo guidance computer that ran, computed, and stored all its speeds and distances in metric
Nobody asked
I’m glad that racing organizations make sure the rules of physics are followed
That one time when they failed to do so, entire galactic structures disappeared into baby black holes. Never again, they said.
I dont
Santa Claus would rock as a F1 driver.
Another cool thing about the skirts: they were inspired by birds. the unsealed edges cause a bit of a vortex effect around the sides of the car which speeds up the air over the sides of the car and reduces down force. In the same way, the tips of a bird's wings cause a bit of a loss of lift due to the same effect, water birds gliding close to the surface will dip the tips of their wings into the water to seal off the air flow and make it easier to stay up. Engineers at lotus noticed this and applied it to the car. It was very effective and also almost immediately banned lol.
"Another cool thing about the skirts: they were inspired by birds"
What's your source for this claim?
@@joevarga1769yeah gonna be honest kinda sounds made up
"Engineers added lightness" is a funny quote 😂
Car too heavy? Just add more lightness
Worked for Colin Chapman, one of the greatest racing car designers ever. "Simplify, then add lightness"....
That’s a phrase made popular by Colin Chapman describing a key concept of Lotus race car design.
@@christopherdean1326 Lightness killed a few people when things broke.
Tubular space frames filled with helium. Hang on... that would detract from downforce, and the cars would still have the same mass and inertia when accelerating, braking, and changing direction. So tubular space frames filled with lead. Hmmmm... this isn't working. I'll get my coat. 😕
@@TrevorDennis100 Don't confuse/conflate weight ( or more accurately _mass_ ) with downforce. You want to make the mass as low as possible & add the downforce with aero. Low mass & high downforce means faster cornering! Replacing air with helium, or better hydrogen, reduces maybe a couple of grams of mass?
What if F1 had no rules?
"This Sunday is a great day for F1 as only five drivers have died in today's race."
We would need AI racing with no rules, the best Car and the best AI wins
Drones on a freaking gigantic hot wheels track
@@LucasFerreira-gx9yh Or watch a Marble WC instead
Sounds like the good old days of F1 pre 1980.
Drivers would be the first to go if there were no rules. Unnecessary weight, can drive the car remotely. Sim racers would reign supreme
This video makes a very effective lesson on race car aerodynamics. Kudos to the creators!
This material is so great and fun!!! Thank you for your videos. Just a suggestion: if you could put the numbers in metric system as a quote it’ll be very helpful to other people (kg, km/h, m, etc…) 😊
To deal with the G's we have two options. 1) Gimbal seet that rotates to optimize the angle the Gs are felt at. 2) Its no rules dummy! Loose the dead weight and have a computer drive the car.
That's actually no rule racing, but it would be more interesting with a driver in the car. Rotating seat is actually a genious move!
@@ScKTM68computer driven cars could be interesting it there was a lot of crashes
@@ScKTM68naa, remote controlled racing sounds much safer and lighter. The driver can sit in a simulator
Ask a Fighter Jet Pilot how ther do it u Simple need a very Special Suit ^^
@@commieSlayer69 yes this. High bandwidth hotspots along the track for low ping. Simulator setups in the paddock, line up of celebrity drivers, no rules extreme remotely controlled cars. Zero spectators close to the track for safety. I'm kind of surprised no one has done it yet as an exhibition. Ahem Red Bull....real X car anyone?
1:04 ‘the very aerodynamic looking Head of Exterior Design’ 🤣😂🤣
😂😂
Yes, his head was extremely aerodynamic.
@@dazofthemoo1531 extra downforce
@@dazofthemoo1531 crosswinds might be problems O_o
“Juicy. Nice. Sexy. Desirable.” Mr. Aerohead imposing restrictions on “unlimited” performance.
Absolutely awesome video!!! Great use of vintage video!
0:05 - Jeremy Clarkson in the Ariel Atom from the old Top Gear!! 🤣🤣 👍👍
Is that the fat one from former TopGear?
@sonnylatchstring of course😂
Something I'll never forget is when Sammy Miller brought his high speed record attempt motorcycle to my motorcycle club at Southend in Essex UK. He said that the brakes were useless at high speed as they would slow the bike for a moment before fading to nothing. He no doubt used the standard bike brake shoes (this was before disk brakes). So what he did was to simply sit from behind the faring, which apparently created huge drag slowing the bike to a point where the brakes would work, at around 80mph. I just looked Sammy up and was pleased to see that he is still alive aged 91.
Nice
Glad to hear someone remembers the great Sammy Miller. Owns a very interesting museum in Dorset and have had a couple of conversations with him. Great guy and recommend a visit to his homage to a much overlooked part of motor history.
Yes his huge balls caused wind drag
what a mad man, happy to know he's an old and well man today!
Of course, his method killed everyone else who tried it. ;-)
"very aerodynamic looking"
Spat my drink out.
No you didn't, stop lying
@@GeneralKenobi69420 "I pissed myself laughing"
You "No you didn't literally urinate. Liar."
"my sides were splitting"
You - "Prove it! Show me the stitches!"
I can clearly hear this in Jeremy Clarkson's voice.
Literally spatting rn
😂😂....tye vw Guy designed himself as a car...that car looks just like him.haha
Hi Scott, I love the amount of detail that you put into your videos. Would you be able to make a video about the evolution of the F1 car? If so that would be amazing. Thanks again
Wow! this video is very informative and understandable for non-experts like me. Well done
You forgot to mention specifically why the iDR won Pike's Peak: altitude oxygen density no concern
Kinda obvious anyways and not even a concern for the videos topic...
Pikes Peak would be sweet if it could be extended to be a circuit with a downhill section that doesnt overlap with the climb
I believe that a different video on the channel specifically addressed the conditions and goals at Pikes Peak, unless I'm thinking of one from a different channel.
Downforce is reduced so it is a concern.
Not so much, as forced induction engines easily make sea level horsepower as high as 20,000 ft. The real reason is instantaneous torque available after corner exit, especially after slower corners.
Things possible when there are no rules:
• Remote or computer driving, eliminating the cockpit entirely
• Turret to blow opponents up
• Declaring that this spot from my laser pointer is actually my car
Battle Bot Extreme: Racing edition
look how a drone controlled by a neural net dominated the world champions in drone racing
@@nike01x26 Claw Viper wins acceleration. But hyper-shock and some others could have a chance. And Walker Chomp and Wrecks are still coming out of pit lane.
Or declaring that this point 10cm away from my car is the finish line
Mr. Just love your CZcams channel. Great content. Congratulations.
I was just asking this question 5 mins ago and this video appears! Perfect timing
Love how this 20m video concludes with "how fast does all this stuff make a car go? Eh, we don't know" lol
I would have at least liked to know the difference between the F1 and the X2014 on Gran Turismo.
@@brazoon1They look different and one was designed by an actual F1 designer leading the way. So majority of it is theoretically possible, except for the driver surviving sustained 7+G's forces upon their bodies. He mentioned enclosed wheels to keep air flow under control, enclosed cockpit, large rear wing, active fans for low speed aero down force. This came from the video itself, so the difference is all those things and then some.
@@evilformerlys4704 I meant in terms of lap times. Sorry I didn't specify that but thanks for that explanation.
@@brazoon1 Jimmy Broadbent via Asseto Corsa used to run laps around the Nurburgring to see how fast each car was. The 2004 Ferrari F1 does it in 5:10.3, in the 919 EVO he scored 4:58.8, and the X2010 he scored 3:10.5 (2 minutes faster around the Nordschleife than the 2004 F1, which is a bit quicker than modern F1s).
To call the X2010 rapid is an understatement. The two problems anything noticeably faster than F1 faces are tires and the human. As far as I know there are no tires which can stand the abuse the X2010 would deliver, and the rapid shifting G's at such massive levels could genuinely be fatal to an average human (The G loads on their own are dangerous, but the duration of them on top of how rapidly they shift in every direction likely would do real and potentially fatal damage even without a crash).
@@demomanchaos Yeah, that difference is insane. lol I used to play GT on the PS3 and those X cars were barely drivable for my skill level. Interesting to see those lap times when done by more capable gamers.
I genuinely think a no-rules racing series would be fantastic and would accelerate innovation that could trickle down to road cars. The only problem is that there’s no way to guarantee a safety standard .
Pretty sure CVTs were being experimented with for F1 but were banned since they were too fast. That plus it’s not as fun when you can’t hear them climb through the rpms
Just get pilots off the board.50 cars is not that much for modern wireless technology.
Who'd pay to be part of it? lmao...
@@rasurin it's just about marketing
If we're talking no rules whatsoever, we indeed don't need a driver. We also don't need the engine to move the wheels. We don't even need wheels. We build a missile that is remote controlled. No wheels, no petrol, no driver, no ICE. It uses a liquid hydrogen rocket and flies at low altitude. Because I guess that would be the one rule: It has to stay under a certain height to be considered "on" the track.
One step closer to Future GPX Cyber Formula
I hear a lot less room noise on the mic these days lol good stuff. Thanks for the video 👍
6:51 this shit had me fuckin dead, dude just said it’ll take a 200 mile impact and just kicks it 😂
they should shape f1 like my weaner and it will be all winner
@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWiiidk how a pencil with a mushroom attached to the top measuring in at 1 inch could be a winner
@@MommyKhaos it's all about the weight reduction and the air to surface ratio
Bruhhh shit is hilarious 🤣
The driver won't though.
a fan, double drs, das, active suspension would be crazy
Put that on a 2003-2005 F1 car with modern tires and you would crush the record books.
Instead of DAS, what about adaptive steer by wire? Just adjust the toe depending on speed, turn radius and tyre temps for quali.
Active Aerodynamics instead of just DRS would be better. Imagine having the aero bits pop up when you need them (during cornering) for the downforce but then the aero bits disappear when you don't need them like on the straights so you have less drag.
@@AndyFromBeavertonAnd a 2020 car would beat that if you told them the engines have-to last one race with no fuel fuel flow limit and introduce a tire war lol
Advantages the 2003-05 cars had (2005 engines had to last 2 races but that’s nothing compared to today)
Ditch DAS and have quad axis by wire. 4 wheel steering.
Ditch double drs and have active flex rotating wings like NASA develops. Add AWD and we're on our way.
Great video, thanks! I actually think that the most interesting competition wouldn't be fully no rules like this, but more "here are your safety rules, your car must have four wheels, you can use this much energy (max battery size and fuel bladder volume), now go make the fastest machine", because not only would it make for incredibly fast cars, it would also make for incredibly efficient cars. The current F1 propulsion system has an efficiency unparalleled in road going ICE cars, and I would really love to see more effort in that direction, unfortunately I don't really see that happening with the new regulations coming.
“Very aerodynamic looking” Driver61, that was savage
"Add more LIGHTNESS!"
"How much?"
"ALL OF IT!"
ITS OVER 9000! (X2014 FAN CAR).
„There must be 4 wheels“ - Tyrell: hold my beer
The concept worked pretty good. It had some trouble with getting someone to develop smaller tyres specifically for you. And with way uneven degradation.
Came here for that:
Who says it must have 4? Anything more than 2 would be fine (as that would just be a bike). Why not 3 ? If it works it works.
@@ABaumstumpf three would give you front end grip and minimise rear drag but would also limit what you could do with the defuser.
Williams had a test car with four rear wheels. Acceleration was much faster, and in the wet, you could run slicks on the rearmost, because the 'middle' removed all the water
If 4 is good then 6 is 50% better
I absolutely love the design of the X1. I fell in love with it when I found out about it in GT5.
You missed out AWD with torque vectoring (active diffs) for aiding cornering, acceleration and deceleration. Would act something like differential braking for corners (under engine braking), but works also on the exit (and also alters front to back for accel / decel on straights). Needs to be tied in to the active suspension and braking.
perhaps thruster and rudders. run turbines/fans from breaking
@@brade2681 and bazookas too, front and rear.
You forgot to take into account the weapons each car would have. There would be an amazing development in lightweight offensive driving aids! 😮
I always thought about caltrops but you are right. No rules racing would be a tank race armed with RPGs
To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the current FIA rules banning weapons
Banana peels.
@@xeridea *Green and red turtle shells*
The live-action Speed Racer timeline
1:03 "the very aerodynamic looking head..." lmao
Why is it true, though 😭
lmao whoever put that sponsorblock highlight at 18:22 you're a legend
Very interesting article.
Surprised there was no mention of Gordon Murray's T50 road car, which uses a Fan?
Anybody want a CAN-AM themed racing game complete with 60's and 70s licensed soundtrack and theme ? Yeah, me too.
CAN-AM was basically when a bunch of American Speed Racer fans got together and tried to make it reality.
Hell yeah, and a good modern Group C/GTP game as well. I used to watch those series as a kid, but once Group C stopped, i stopped bothering to watch or go to races. Back in the day when i was a baller (late 80's) i seriously almost bought a retired Nissan Group C car but ended up getting a classic grey market Benz instead (450 SLC) as it's a lot more practical to daily lol.
Bro what? People who like racing games are all under 45 and people who like 70s music are all over 50. The venn diagram of those two is two circles
@@GeneralKenobi69420 Yeah no person under 45 listens to music from the 70s, also can am was from 66 to 87. And its not like there is a lot of love for music etc. from that era..... Your a marketing genius
@@GeneralKenobi69420 I'm 48 and i LOVE racing games and 70's music, but most racing games suck because they're all about modern racing VS vintage. I don't care about F1 or the various touring car series, or dumb modern 'supercars' that look like a place to put a bunch of goofy looking air vents that don't fit anywhere else.
I think it would be really cool if the Formula E had almost no rules, just a couple rules about the battery.
The battery can only take up a certain volume of space, can not be recharged during the race, and the volume the battery can take up shrinks a certain amount each X years.
This would create incentives to put a lot of resources into R&D for batteries and could have a big positive impact on the world.
that's just the Cyber Formula
@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 what's that?
@@TackerTacker it was a 1990s anime series that features Cyber Formula, a formula racing that runs on electric and sustainable fuels with basically no limitations on the cars in near future (as of the show's airing time in the 1990s) . In the show, the Cyber Formula would supposed to be the top tier Formula Racing series above F1, F2, and F3. So, the realization of these ideas in the comment above and this video would be the equivalent to Cyber Formula race of the show (although the nearest thing we have in real life is the Formula E series that runs on battery electric cars)
Yes. Formula E will eventually supplant Formula 1. I can't stand the awful racket made by ICEs anyway.
@@chenyeanmingtakumi9033 "anime series" imagine any reasonable person reading past that point?
Donut: "F1 doesn't even need to be open-wheeled"
PitStops: *dissapears from existence*
Thanks for using the Italian TV MIVAR in this video, I miss it very much. It was an amazing brand.
I went to a Can-Am at Mosport in the early 70’s . Quite the spectacle!
I was at all races at Mosport for 30 years , I love that place
I've only been going to Mosport since the mid 2010s (born in 2002), but I've grown to love it as well. I would've liked to have seen some of the Can-Am action or even some Group C/F1 stuff! Even so I'm still quite happy with what IMSA offers right now, and it's quite nice to see some of the older racecars brought out during some of the historical racing support races or more recently the Drive Festival. Shame IMSA removed the GTPs from running this year, but I'm still looking forward to supporting the Multimatic folks running the new Mustang.
You are blessed to have been young in those days mate !!!
In the 8G car, the survival cell could be swiveling to make it stricly vertical loads on the body, at least in the corners.
You mean lateral. Because the heart won't pump to the brain at such Gs pointing downward.
@@dakkyun4095 For that we have the fighter pilot G-suits ;-)
@@dakkyun4095 i think there are fighter pilots living right now and their brains need blood ... at least i think so
Actually, forward G-forces are better
@@dakkyun4095 F1 drivers only experience 2-3 G's when accelerating.
When the specialist said fans and nodded so enthusiastically i was like yeah! He remembers the fan cars fondly
Dont forget Tubercalls for the leading edge, Shark skin for body. And Owl wing for trailing edges.
As an international watcher, I would really apprechiate if you would also display the speed as km/h, next to mph. You don't need to mention it, at it would waste time, but for those unfamiliar with mph we can immediatly focus on the numbers we are familiar with and can compare to our real life experiences.
Otherwise a great video and very entertaining!
Thanks!
SRT TOMAHAWK GTS-R to X2014: Finally a worthy opponent.
Mph are sus 😅
SiMPLE MATH LETS you figure out the conversion without thinkimg about it..
Practice
@@robcrissinger776 Yes and simple math also tells you that it is way more efficient when the video creator to do it once and share the info with us.
Even the currently 149 upvotes show that more time will be WASTED with everyone needing to do the math themself.
How about respecting our time?
Not everyone needs every skill, especially not if it is really irrelevant in our daily lifes!
@@DundGIf you are the one that wants the information, it's up to you to find it. Expecting others to provide it for you seems lazy. Over 2.5 million people watched this and 149 agree that it's too hard to learn about mph. Your defense of ignorance is not a good one. Just look at any speedometer.
2:23 For a split second I thought I had just witnessed the most horrifying crash.
lol
same lol
17:17 What's important to specify here is, that active aero excet drs is forbidden (or at least was so a few years back). What you most often see is just a limitation of space forcing cooling equipment outside the body. But you can angle cooling air intakes a bit more conveniently if you do it right.
Still banned, it's T8.1.2 in the FSUK rules. "No power device (eg fan) may be used to move or remove air from under the vehicle." Most teams run a pretty flat floor with a big diffuser, the lower centre of gravity more then offsets raising the floor to add a skirt or complicated aero down there.
The front & rear spoilers are mounted to the wheel axles & apart from active suspension, most all shock suspension is focused on the cockpit.
No rules? What about extendible blades, flame thrower, gas grenades?
Pointless when chasing lap times mate
😂 definitely sounds good to me.
@@adamstilldrives did you watch the chariot race in Ben Hur ? Blades work 😂
@@adamstilldrivesnot pointless in finishing the finish line before your opponents
they essentially had blades in nascar 2015 bc they pulled the side skirts on the car outward to get more downforce but its a sharp metal point on the side of the car which punctured jeff gordons car and took him out of championship contention
(obv banned)
19 min video just to hear an "I dont know" at the end...
Well done, well done!
But if you listened, you know why he doesnt know, and you leave vith more knowledge
OMG! Just saw the news that you're going to be doing the MORR Off-Road Games. I absolutely would have never pegged you as a guy to do something like this and I'm looking forward to it! So many of my favorite CZcamsrs are going to be there!
Nicely oresented; informa, thought provoking...thank you...(David)
"Aerodynamic 'head' of design"... i chuckled
Thank you for recognising Can-Am as one of the series which pioneered motor racing technology. I am delighted to have conversed with the great man himself, Jim Hall, at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in 1997. (He said the Chaparral 2 was the most fun to drive of all his cars).
this is so exciting to think about.
That dog at 7:03 was faster than that car😂😂
Bro that's a birb😭😭😭
I love that “deliciously complicated” line. My late grandpa taught me that you can always learn and improve. In his words “the car can always be faster”. So. cool that everyday the world of motorsport is constantly getting faster because of hungry engineers, mechanics, and drivers.
Faster cars, more intense battles.
Obscene 2000hp turboshaft-electric hybrid, with the excess thrust from the turbine exhaust used to energize the rear diffuser (or maybe even the entire floor as well)
Why not do like topfuel dragsters and use the exhaust pressure to push the car into the road?
The speed racer vibes are strong with this idea😂 love it.
@@MrMartinSchou lmao that's something, angle the turbine exit upwards, I reckon we can get at least a couple of kilonewtons of downforce out of that
@@pvtnewbIf we're ignoring rules, yes. Also, use something like 85% nitromethane and 15% alcohol like in top fuel, to really up the power production.
I would use excess thrust to suck the air from beneath the car by the way of Venturi effect. Simple, efficient, no extra equipment required.
"added lightness" is certainly a description
Entertaining, there were a few bits in there I didn't know about that has definitely got me thinking. You asked for comments/suggestions/areas you may have missed and although (rightly) mentioning tyres being the weakest link; didn’t explore further.
What if we could instantly control tyre pressures, reducing to increase road/tyre contact to assist in breaking/cornering, and Increase pressure to minimise contact? I proposed a design for a system capable of instantly changing pressures without any ingress/egress of air/gas to McLaren a few years back but unfortunately they were the wrong audience.
The radials capability and development/progress (or lack of) ultimately lies with motorsports rule makers, Tyres will always be one of the limiting factors in our pursuit of speed but I’m sure with a genuine fiscal carrot; manufacturers could/would do better?
Anyway, keep up the good work.
I remember the X2010 from Gran Turismo, I believe it had four-wheel steering as well. Too bad it was limited in where and how it could be run, only in a certain section of the game menu and a completely different drive from anything else but it was fun.
Still available in Assetto Corsa, even better actually
I hated driving that thing, I just couldn't keep up with it
It's still in GT7 and still faster than all hell, but the game has included even faster concept cars like the Dodge Tomahawk and it's 2500hp+ motor, active aero and sleek space looking shape.
Odd you saying about limited area to play in. I am almost positive I used it all over. Did you get it by beating Vettels time in the challenge?
@karlwithak.What a bad take 😂😂😂
“It’s deliciously complicated.” 10:42 His description just made me remember all the ‘deliciously complicated’ ways I learned how air moves in our atmosphere in ‘Atmospheric Dynamics’ class. Good video! Thanks 👍🏼
Honest question. Would adding more weels like having 6 for more grip be beneficial since we could Pump up the power ?
Laying down head forward to drive could help with the lateral G forces and the car body could be made with a lower profile. Maybe at a 20 to 30 degree angle so you can see over the front suspension.Not far off the angle of laying on a motorcycle tank to get your head below the screen..
Such a great concept to think about! I'd love to see more attempts being made a reality.
Something you didn't mention about active aero is that the downforce doesn't need to be singular between the left and right sides of the car. There was talks about increasing downforce on the inner side while turning to reduce bodyroll without needing stiffer springs, increasing both high speed aerodynamic grip and low speed mechanical grip.
Independently adjusting drag laterally across a car's cross section (e.g. putting something akin to an aircraft's rudder on the rear wing's supports, and something similar up front) would effectively let you yaw the car via airflow management, taking that lateral load off the tyres. Then its a strategy on whether you pull more peak lateral Gs, or the same peak Gs but longer tyre life.
Love these idea about yawing the car with rudder. Combining this with active suspension to keep the car level and adding air brakes the deploy to slow the car would make it extremely quick. Computer systems could also be use to adjust the control surfaces continuously.
I do believe eventually you'd get dozens of fans with some trained AI model that would decide how much power to give each fan for optimal performance.
rules: Maximum X fuel allowed. Crashworthiness requirements, rest of it is optional including the drivetrain
BTW, aero downforce adds drag and is incredibly dangerous if air gets under the car
"Unlimited" would automatically include CVT and active ground effect (ie: a fan sucking it down), along with active aero (including airbrakes)
It'd make for interesting racing, especially if things like active suspension are re-adopted. I suspect that top speeds wouldn't change much (tires!) but emphasis would be on getting through the twisty bits
The Reynolds numbers for race cars are horrific. Designers would almost certainly try ways ot reduce them as high numbers mean that air friction energy losses go up with the cube of speed, instead of the square
I'm a bit surprised a thrust vectoring jet engine wasn't discussed. Removing the need for the wheels to transfer 100% of the power and cornering would make it a lot easier on them. Of course you could still have very powerful electric motors in the wheels for better acceleration as well as regenerative braking.
There's a Chaparral fantasy car on Gran Turismo that uses some sort of laser propulsion. It takes a bit to get used to driving with thrust, but it's very interesting once you have. Of course, it would take all the fun out of melting the windshield behind you😅
For fans, consider gas turbines, jet engines. Both the intake can be utilized for vacuum as well as the exhaust for both directional thrust and utilizing venturi action for more vacuum. I've also thought about weight shifting. Probably possible only with electric cars where the battery is long, off center, and can be quickly shifted from one side to the other. I also think that wings could be actuated variably based on distance from the ground. That is also something that I think could be done in speedboat racing to keep the boat from going airborne.
I wouldn't use the jet inlet for underbody aero. Far too much chance of a FOD passing through & wrecking the turbine. A jet-blown diffuser could work though, but only if you're using the turbine to generate electrical power, not directly driving the wheels - jet throttle response is much slower than ICE throttle response, so you'd need some way to keep the jet spinning at high rpm to blow the diffuser.
So, jet powers electric, probably a supercapacitor to store the energy (lighter than a battery pack), electric motors to all wheels, probably with torque vectoring to aid turn-in & corner-exit, regen braking, active suspension, and active aero to aid braking on corner entry, downforce through corner, and reduce drag on the straights.
In theory, all of this is possible to do, but it would produce a car that NOBODY could drive. The car would be able of producing physical loads on the driver that would be unsustainable for a full race, even with a full G-suit.
Then there's the question of "what happens if it goes wrong?". All the systems that would be needed to make such a car practical, would need to be computer controlled, and even today, computers occasionally derp & cease working properly. Sensors fail, rf interference affects signals, competitors could jam telemetry, etc. What happens if the control system derps and sends the car airborne at 300+mph into a spectator stand???
F1 rules have mostly been slowing cars down since the mid 80's precisely for this reason. The technology has existed for decades - active aero? 1960's. Stupid power? 80's turbos. Active suspension? Early 90's. Gas turbine electricity generation? 50's(?). The technology all exists, but it is a historic fact that the safety standards of the sport has ALWAYS lagged behind the technology, and modern society just isn't prepared to allow a sport to be anywhere near as dangerous to spectators as a truly unregulated F1 series would be...
fastest quarter mile car has a fan now, the mcmurry spierling
It feels like the Cyber Formula anime or the upcoming HIGHSPEED Etoile anime racing car.
Chaparral also had other quite notable legends, such as the 2C, the first true active aero ever used in a Can Am car, where they used an automatic transmission, and used the freed-up clutch pedal to adjust the rear wing angle, mostly used as an airbrake that settled the rear on the brakes and in the corners. then the 2E, the same concept brought to the extremes.
Finally! some love for the 2J!!
Toyota TS010: let me be the example of why rules exist
also the toyota IMSA 4 tonnes of downforce monster
6:49 ah, now I see where the cybertruck got its tough skin inspiration from
If I'm not mistaken, I remember hearing that the one who originally designed the aerodynamics used by the Aston Martin Valkyrie (with the prominent use of the underside of the car) wanted to use them for F1 racing, but the competition restrictions prevented them from doing that, so they just decided to create the Valkyrie to not let that design go to waste. I think it just goes to show how much more creative people could be if they were allowed to
Fascinating stuff Adrian Newey is Design Mozart IMHO
Thumbnail made me think of RealRacing3. That car is insanely fast. MP4-X
And one of the most difficult to drive. Once you started sliding, you'd never stop till you hit a barrier.
It is more like the Red Bull X1 2010, though a great contender against MP4-X
@@Red_Bull_DieHardFan the livery of the car in the thumbnail is of the MP4-X
Can-Am was the bomb! I was a kid when that series was happening. All my favourite Aurora AFX slot cars were Can Am models :-)
I'd love a competition like that. Just some Basic rules like:
4 wheels. maybe some size and weight target. some on board cameras. and the rest is free to design. that would be amazing.
I watched the whole video looking for the answer and he just said "I don't know" mann 😂😂😂
Marco Pavone is called "the aerodynamic-looking head of exterior design" - this is timeless!
I though he looked like a kewpie doll, but that's just me.
1:05 'very aerodynamic looking head', then I look at his hair lol
What if you just added jet engines?
or does that go against what a ‘car’ is defined as/breaks the fundamental rules and regulations of a ‘car’?
If you were to make no-limit car it would end up somewhere near the Speirling, just with more power and slightly more complicated construction, and possibly larger.
Fans have much higher efficiency than wings, regardless of the speed, so adding far more power to them (even >200 kW) would still be beneficial.
Speirling only has 60 kW fans with only 1 square meter of _sealed_ downforce area. And this already generates 2 tons of downforce.
If you quadrupled the area, it would only need 2x more power, because leak would be around 2x larger, while getting 8 tons of downforce.
At 8 tons of downforce and weight around 1-2 tons you wouldn't really need wings, would you?
Max corner acceleration would probably exceed 10G though, so you would need almost anti-g armor at that point.
I have an idea i'd like to comment about: I call it the "Golden Arrow" Project.
The basic format of it would be the Deltawing concept, with the front wheels being fitted inside the long beak. It would also have the Mercedes W11 front wing (or something similar to it), the X 2014 rear wing, and in the back, the blown difuser from the Brawn GP F1 car, along with the Chaparral 2J-like fans, powered by an independent eletric motor. Just like commented in the video, it would have the wheels fully covered, a closed cockpit and active aero.
As for the power of this machine, i was thinking about the W11 Mercedes again, take the engine used by that thing, but now with two turbos, no restrictions and maybe revving up to 20.000 RPM. This stays behind the cockpit and produces power to the rear wheels. The front wheels would be powered by two small Formula Student-grade eletric motors.
As for suspension, we can think about active suspension yes, but what about the possible benefits of hydro-elastic suspension? If we can get this to work, it might reduce weight, costs and complexity.
For the tires, the best thing we have now are the Pirelli P Zero tires already used in F1, and qe could call this same enterprise for the front wheels as well. Proper tires? Maybe within 10 years and about 10 billion dollars...
Finally, and most important, the driver must have fighter jet or aerospace grade training to handle the G's. One should consider the safety measures theses pilots have and how they could be applied to this project. And also consider updating the HANS device to prevent a catastrophic neck break at those 8 G's of force.
If you read until this point, please consider making a concept art of this car. Also, thank you for the attention.
W11 motor!!
You crazy, modern F1 motors are underpowered pieces of junks !
An old Renault F1 turbo from the 70th was double the power of a modern F1!!
We could easely make a 2000 2500 HP from a V8/V10 today (with short life)
would love to see a no rules series to see what we can really do.
Man, I'd love to hear your take on that Dodge Tomahawk that was envisioned in Gran Turismo.
It would be called ”Car 1” after that
i've seen that Sunoco Can-Am porsche at the Porsche museum in Stuttgart..... it really is a beast
i would make a category with no rules, but driven by IA, with no pilot, to be safe...that way you can get closer to the performance edge
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the red bull car is badass. like the car in the future. i want it.
Should definitely check out World time attack challenge at Sydney motorsport park, there is some rules but they are very relaxed in the upper classes.
Hear me out… Turboshaft engine production close to 2000hp linked to a CVT for constant peak power driving the wheels. Streamline the body and have the intake partially underneath the car using the jet engine intake to suck air from under the floor making the vacuum. Angle the jet engine slightly downwards for more downforce and thrust to accelerate the car. You could even have active exhaust ports that blow exhaust out points on the car to help it turn. Obviously you are going to need active suspension and air brakes to slow the car so you don’t die
Jet engines are not good at rapidly changing speeds.
@@darkknightx0992that's the point of the CVT. You run the engine at peak power all the time and just adjust the gear ratio to change speed.
Punch that description in an AI image generator!
Here me out: The McMurtry Spierling....thats what an F1 car would be wirh no rules....its already been made
A large CVT will have problems - it has to transmit quite a lot of power through friction. But you could go with a proven way to accomplish that: A smaller turbogenerator, powering a hybrid system. The turbine generates power with no direct connection to the wheels, feeds a medium-sized battery-pack, which feeds four electric motors - one on each wheel - for quick throttle response, 4-wheel drive, regenerative braking, and torque vectoring. Granted, the batteries add weight, but not that much if you size everything properly. It would, though, probably be heavier than present F-1 powertrains - fuel weight, batteries, and four motors will all add up. Would that matter? Don't know.
I didn't know about the Can-Am fan car, I thought that the Brabham / Murray fan car was the first one. Thanks!
there was also the 2021 McMurtry Spéirling car that broke the Goodwood festival of speed record.
@@justmejustme4444 That car is incredible. Mat Watson from Carwow has driven loads of quick cars including a Bugatti Chiron and a RimavNevera. He did 0-60 in 1.49 seconds in the McMurtry and was rendered speechless. Gordon Murray's also got a fan in his new T50, which makes sense as he designed the Brabham!
It's cool how you can see how much actual research on aerodynamics changed things. The cars from the 80's were primative and looked like something most people would be able to come up with from intuition, but now they've discovered how to use vortexes to create extra downforce and all sorts of stuff. It's also interesting that I think it looks cool, like my own aesthetic sense understands that it's better for some reason.
I remember skirts (when allowed) being a firm nylon brush that encased the floor pan, you've shown what appears to be metalic/soft panel flaps - where these better ?
I feel that one thing that could also play a huge role compared to the last decades is to have a fully integrated control system across all sensors and actuators, combining real-time all-wheel, all-axis torque-vectoring, active aero, active suspension, actively controlled fans, engine controller (if we are even opting for an internal combustion engine, depends on whether we are aiming for a single flying lap or a full race), etc. in a single "omniscient omnipotent" computer.
Funnily enough, this is the exact main premise of an anime from 1991! (Future GPX Cyber Formula), interesting how this show predicted some stuff in a way 30 years later (drs and kers, just cranked up to 11)
IIRC Bose (the headphones and stereos Bose) came up with some insane active suspension years ago. With current sensors and processing power I'm sure we could make either self-driving or remote-controlled or worse-case-scenario "drive by wire" with superhuman speed of adaptations to all details of the car per given situation.
Yes, bose suspension was insane and the result of decades of research. Renault Formula 1 came with insane active suspension too in 1992 that won championship and was promptly banned. imagine how much better active suspension could be today with computing power, camera & sensors, actuators and motors.. you can bring down the ground clearance close to zero, corner perfectly flat, and continuously adjust the pitch angle/ground effect. meaning also the camber can also be controlled indirectly and stay consistent. the problem is then if you rely on huge ground effect down force, if the active suspension fails, car gets further from the ground because of a curb taken too hard, you have a car suddenly losing grip, I think it was the reason behind the ban (remember the flying mercedes)
I thik its going to progressively come back into road cars . The purosangue has a TRUE active suspension but Ferrari is too conservative...they were afraid to create a flat cornering mode so they let the car have a some roll, to not disturb the drivers. But the tech is going in the right direction. small independent motors with worm gear, means its not hydraulic based like mercedes class S active suspension from 10 yeas ago or even older citroen active suspension
according to ferrari active suspension increased the lateral grip by 10% and the car is not even cornering flat
Loved this car in gt5 always thought it was cool to see something this fast and never thought it would become real.
We must give credit to Jake O'Neal for some of the animations seen in this video on F1