Inside US Navy's Massive Indoor Ocean
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0:00 The US Navy's indoor ocean
1:06 Why are physical ship models still in use?
1:30 Renovation at Maneuvering and seakeeping basin
2:23 Why the US Navy re-creates waves from around the world
3:24 Cook Unity
4:53 What did the investigation into MSC Zoe reveal?
6:05 Why the water in the indoor ocean is not salty
6:33 How is the data from model ships used to estimate the performance of full-size ships?
7:53 What happens inside David Taylor Model Basin?
8:48 How is a ship's hull resistance calculated?
10:04 How are tests controlled at David Taylor Model Basin?
10:42 How do ship makers validate the performance of a ship from trials?
11:45 Performing self-propulsion tests and others on model ships
Why the water inside US Navy’s indoor ocean is not salty, how test results from a scale model can be translated into a full-size ship, why these rails are curved, even through they look pretty straight, and why with all the advancements in computer modeling, the Navy still relies on old school physical models, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT
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Linda Low - Lucention
Avalanche - Anthony Earls
Fractured Paintings - Trevor Kowalski
Beyond the Mountains - Experia
Dismantle - Peter Sandberg
Thyone - Ben Elson
Subconscious - Nihoni
Machine Dreams - Oh the City
I Think I Was There
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@@briankruger3009 shut up geek!
They only ship within the United States: Every Canadian would be surprised otherwise.
"the issue is, whoever came up with this design. the solution is to replace that person." Im dead. lmfao
I heard that and was like "bru" that's not how it works
and the thing he was talking about was a pitch resonance jig, not a boat design.
Tell that to the guy behind the littoral combat ship.
lol he just said that and kept on going.
😂😂😂
"It is the combination of all these experiments performed on scale models that gives designers and shipbuilders the confidence that once the full scale ship hits the water for the first time it will hopefully perform as expected"
*shows a video of an LCS being launched*
I see what you did there.
I can't speak for ship builders but in software projects it is usually the customers and project managers who want to live in the fantasy world where they pretend everything is better than it actually is despite the protests of the software engineers and designers and similar people doing the actual work.
I think the LCS's problem was material used not hull shape.
@@GamerbyDesign I know, I know. I just think it was fun (and probably on purpose).
The two LCS designs had completely different problems - one had a catastrophically faulty gearbox and the other had a too thin hull plate at the hull midline that fractured. Neither was easily detected at model scale (because the ship models aren’t powered and the hull stress was under estimated. The fact that the LCS ships were actually too small for the way the U.S. Navy actually used them isn’t something a model can tell you.
Every kids dream pool for their RC boats.
Dream pool just to swim in it lol.
Just need a better ceiling lol
Kids???? Plenty of grown men as well...lol.
I work at the Utah Water Research Laboratory and we often make models of dams (such as the Oroville Dam spillway that failed in 2017, before I started working there), canals, gates, and other water structures, and we use the Froude number in our models. We definitely also have number crunching that happens that accounts for a whole host of things that happen, and being able to have the video recording is very helpful. Basically, we make models so that clients can make informed decisions. Our work can help them save a lot, by spending 5 on a new model saving 85 that would have been spent making the full scale cause the alternate design is way better than the original idea
Ending with the LCS was a great touch
"Do NOT share publicly - Indoors ocean - Cook Unity (high quality video)"
That's how the title of this video is translated in Portuguese
Who the hell did this XD
I guess they fixed it, for me it says.
"Por que a Marinha dos Estados Unidos teve que construir um oceano interno"
This is one of the most fascinating NWYT ever!
I share that opinion
Always brilliant explanation and lead into the next segment. When you think you already know about a subject, these videos constantly give details you didn't. The tag line applies to every release. Keep up the great work!!
Title : USA largest indoor ocean
Me: so that’s a large swimming pool right?
Spent time at the David Taylor towing tank in Bethesda, MD and the towing tank on the Isle of Wight in the UK. Not only ship models are tested. Did the ditching model tests for aircraft, such as the V-22 Osprey Tiltrotor.
Well done video, especially the explanation of the Froude number.
very informative, thank you! subbed
We have indoor pools where it is possible to simulate winter conditions with real ice crust in Finland. So the whole building is basically a huge freezer.
Great job with this! Thanks!
this made my day far better. thank you
Fascinating. Thanks!
Very informative. Thank you
Decades ago, John Hoyt built a fully functional linear vwave towing tank at the Franklin Institute. I used to run the tank, but then the museum threw the whole thing out over one weekend. It was tragic.
John Hoyt went and worked at Carderock. Haven't talked to him in 30 years
I have been inside this facility and it is incredible
Very cool to learn about this amazing test facility.
too bad its not practical to make one of these for every town and city :)
swim time.
But it really is cool to test the physics of wave model, great people who came up with this plan and helped to build and run this over the years, probably saved a lot of lives and a lot of money.
Very cool! excellent episode
That was fantastic!
Very cool thanks for the video..
How the panels transition, but remain watertight is amazing. I must know more!
I am a "sea trial" captain for an international seafreight company, I'd like to say thank you for making this video! Not enough information out there on what we do.
Fantastic video!
Incredible.
Awesome installation, and great video, but eh:
2:04 "instead of sound, they produce waves."
Yeah, sound _is_ waves mate! 😝
Correct, but you know what we meant 😉
I thought the same thing but gave it a pass.
Not gonna lie I was thinking the same thing.
Well yeah, but yeah...
I would like to see a video on the history of the Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Walker Lake, near Hawthorne Nevada. Other than it existing, not much seems to be publicly known.
When I was younger i worked at a place that had a contract with Carderock, just off the beltway in MD, coming from VA. It’s a facility where they test subs, ships and aircraft in water.
This video was so cool!!!!
Wow! Wind tunnel but for water! Just wow!
I grew up near Southampton and the river Hamble. A lot of maritime proficiency examination takes place in the region including piloting great cargo ships and tankers. On a lake at Warsash (famous for its D-Day role) student pilots sit cramped into miniature model tankers and learn manoeuvring skills. Almost like kids in pedal cars. It’s now run by Solent University. I guess they use simulators now rather than analogue model boats. At the time it was called Warsash Maritime Academy.
Can we acknowledge the late Stephen Salter who invented the concept and designed the first wide wave tank with many wave-making paddles that can replicate any sea state.
David Taylor model basin, I have a place about 3 minutes from it.. was always interested on what it was, as they have Anti air missiles & an insane amount of security around the facility..,
I’ve been driving by it since 2004, especially when it was under construction.. very interesting, it’s about 15 minutes away from DC as well.. right off the Potomac River
That is pretty darn cool! And wise!
1:32 Ah my favorite place -Masb- Mask
Wow,, most impressive 🇦🇺
This facility is awesome.
You can’t swim, but you can canoe it.
Just like indoor dining… smooth transition
Sound is a wave, and music is what you get when waves make patterns. (Piano keys)
A lot of footage from Marin, the Maritime Research Institute Netherlands is blended in...
There is still a preserved hull testing in Dumbarton, Scotland. It was hired by Cunard to help design the hull of Queen Mary 2 as no other facilities where available at time. It is called the Denny tank museum.
Great place to visit!
Cool, interesting video!
Self propulsion tests rarely have the model propel itself fully and are most commonly used to verify the propulsion method (propeller pitch angle and rpm for example)
There are multipliers calculated to find out to what degree a given model propels itself for a given propulsor, speed and scale. The carriage then still pushes on the model. Latest test we ran the model produced about 50% of it's own propulsion.
The commercial tank in Newfoundland runs full self propelled tests. We use them to design our AT/B units. The models are abut 30 feet long
I'm just here for the cool little boats in the pool. The rest of it sounds very mathy.
I want to try it…
I used to beg my parents to make a huge indoor operatable pool, ive ever got on my knees just for that xD
What are the Public Swimming hours, and do they put in lane markers?
This would be my dream to have when i was younger
In Finland is the world biggest towing tank with ice. Used for a testing ice breakers
Damn that's one deep pool
Is it just me or the Froude Number is the root of the divider of kinetic energy in the basic potential gravitational energy to kinetic energy transition? It can be quickly formulated from
Ug=Ek
mgh=(1/Fr²)mv²
0:58 Mr Lahey!
I had some freinds who claimed to have gotten in there years ago to test kayaks. I have always wondered if it was true as they lived and kayaked in the area.
7:37 that was confusing to use the term "footage" or "photage" when talking formula and ship sizes
Check MARIN in The Netherlands!
I'll bet that Froude really knew where his towel was.
Wow someone's whole job is probably to make the coolest model boats of all time. Nice. 🤙
Yes, and there is a CZcams on another channel all about it
@@vibratingstring oh, which channel? I collect those kinds of channels
@@samuelgibson780can't remember offhand. Type in carderock wave or some combination with abbreviation
@@samuelgibson780I don't remember but search Carderock wave basin or something
@@samuelgibson780 I can't remember! I think actually I saw Veritasium talking to the model builder while doing a segment on this wave tank
I used to work there.... NAVSEA Carderock Springs Bethesda Maryland
This is actually so fucking cool
I new he was Canadian I had the gut feeling
Froude was a damn genius
Give this man those 3M followers
2:10 Uhh…. Akshually, piano keys also produce waves because sounds just are waves 🤓
It's a same idea with airforce's wind tunnel, right ?
Is it just me or do i want to swim in it really bad? 😂
Since you finally researched about the froude number you should know now why a carrier cannot go faster then 30~35kts.
I have seen them go much faster than that
Froude number 0,4 is not a magical wall. Slenderness ratio raises the curves exponentiation region and lowers the exponent.
Carriers are slender. They exceed 0,4
@@extremechimpout liar
@@vibratingstring how much horsepower does a cv with that much tonnate need to go faster then this? Go ahead do the math and tell me it's not behaving like a wall.
Well we were doing 36 knots and they left us like we were standing still so I don't know where you got that idea.
$7000 coffee maker I would love to do an audit on that facility!!!
No wind simulator fan bank to go with that pool? More and more large ships are sensitive to wind loading due to their large and tall superstructures
I can't swim in it?
Aww man, there goes my weekend plans :(
2:05 I mean… pianos make wave too…
what about David taylor model basin.?
0:23 LOL that's not a boat design, no need to fire the designer. That's most likely a sensor that tests resonance frequency in the pitch direction of a generic planing hull.
We meant it as a joke! But that is actually showing the porpoising of a planing hull: czcams.com/video/S_bv9wsUijw/video.htmlfeature=shared
Do the tanks experience tides?
Instead of sound waves the new wave generators produce water waves?
If I ever get filthy rich I'm building a smaller version of that. I'm going to have the best pool in the neighborhood 😂😂😂
The ocean doesnt scare me nearly as much as a giant indoor pool does
Science teachers and students. My Admin used to give me the science equipment catalogues so I could see all the things he would never allow us to buy. They had a square 'wave tank' less than a meter on each side and about 20 cm deep. $2200. Using old plywood I made a long narrow box. Two tricks made it work. I lined it with 5 mill construction plastic - this made it water proof. (just draped it, a few spring clips.) Simple. The second trick was at one end I made a long sloped wedge, 'the beach'. This was under the plastic. Works great. The beach does a couple of things. It absorbs the waves so the tank just doesn't become a sloshing mess. To make surface waves (most common) just move the top few cms of water at the other end of tank. To make deep tsunami waves just lift the plastic up a bit, so the bottom comes up, at that end.
Richard Feynman said that using water waves to model electromagnetic waves doesn't work because water waves are every bit as complex as EM Radiation. True. However, you can see water moving. So a wave tank can do a lot of what the big tank in the video can do.
What's neat is the tsunami waves are little ripples until they reach the beach, then they slow down, pile up and can splash right out the other end of the flume. Surface waves are bigger, noticeably slower. They run up the beach and lose their energy.
The last tank I made was about 30cm deep, 7 meters long and about 50cm wide. Students actually had crested waves breaking on the beach. Hamsters could've surfed them. The tsunamis? They moved quicker, but were small until they climbed up the beach and blasted over the side (into the school garden.)
That admin there wasn't as bad as the first guy. She came out glanced at the tank and said, "Don't make too much noise." The physics teacher at that school never even looked at it.
What would make a fun naval engineering project would be to figure out how each century would've redesigned their ships if they'd used a wave tank. The 14th through mid 19th century ships would all quickly look very different. The one craft that I don't think would've changed? The Aleut Iqyax (aka baidarka). If you look at the stringers on the bottom, there's a big gap between the keelson and the first stringers. This channels the water giving the iqyax lift right where the paddler sits. I built an iqyax to do attempt this, but along the way I realized to get the 10 knots Captain Cook's navigator reported, I'd have to be able to paddle at least 6 to 8 knots. I was good able to sustain 4.3 knots, but not even close.
I’m a simple man. I see Carderock, I upvote
I was wondering if this was the place along the Potomac in MD
@@Adamroable David Taylor Model Basin. I worked down the road at the Army Map Service, a friend worked at the Model Basin.
I've been inside the office side a few times. 3 ft thick walls with ship type bulkhead doors in places. Guards every few doors or so. Signs on the wall reminding workers of Safe / Vault Protocols during the day -- end of work day. No workers of any type that are not US citizens allowed on site -- at least in operational areas. It's some serious Sh*t -- like what you might see in the movies.
This is exactly what I thought, as I used to live right next to it.
What’s the facility called?
@@MS-37 Naval Surface Warfare Center Carderock
Isn't this place in Vicksburg Mississippi
also imagine getting caught in one of those
2:16 - Except a sound wave!
Which is probably why at 2:08, don't know piano keys do create waves! Sound waves!
Places like this is why I learned how to swim 💀
nightmare scenario a Supercarrier gets struck by a rogue wave what would happen
I really like to think that there is a single bathtub drain in that pool
Whenever I see those monster ocean waves I realize just how much | love being on land. That would scare the ever loving sh!T out of me
The tanks is superior to computer modeling because with only minor alteration for the scale of the model to the water you can model far more particles IRL than any computer can handle. If you think on it, a scale models fluid dynamics are always going to be different than full scale because you cannot scale the water or air (whichever is applicable to the model) in other words a model airplane that is 1/8th scale still flies through full scale air so adjustments have to made to account for this, which is why a 1/8th scale P-51 does not fly like a full scale P-51 unless you play around with its mass and airfoil to account for the difference in air density. The same happens with the model ships in water (air and water are both fluids for this purpose) where they can account for the different density with tweaks to the results in the testing. The problem in computer modeling vs scale model testing is the scale model still uses a water molecule as the particle size to measure the fluid movement while a computer model particle size is going to be many magnitudes larger to have manageable calculation time scales. The particle size of the water is what makes the computer model less accurate. Once a computer can model each and every water molecule it will be as good as a scale test, or even better if it can model enough molecules to model the full size vessel without scaling the result. Today even modeling the flow around a propeller like you would put on an outboard motor only gives you an idea of how it will perform IRL, and always leads to someone actually building and testing a prototype before it would go into full production.
wow now that is not what you think
What is the formula for reducing mass on the model then? Say you had a 1:50 model, if you reduced it's weight down there must be a formula because you can't reduce down the density of water or the gravity.
Mass scales with cube of length. All three Dims scale togther. In 50:1 you would have ratio 125000:1 but that's a probblematic model for accuracy. It's a problem: larger models give better results.
We use 30 foot models to work with 500 foot ships. That is as small as we can go to get good results.
And, you have to scale the moment of inertia on all three axes correctly as well.
Then, because viscous effects scale doesn't work with the gravity scaling, you have to compute viscous drag and subtract it from results, then compute at higher Reynolds number of ship and add back in.
To make that a bit easier, often turbulence inducers are glued to fwd part of model so that drag calculations are more reliable. Boundary layer stuff is what ultimately we have no solid theory for. But even the waves arnot fully theoretically covered: CFD does not precisely match
@@vibratingstring awesome thank you. I modelled a skin-on-frame kayak, as I designed it with the least amount of buoyancy. It glided really well across the pond. Then I started to add the mass of myself at the scale used for the dimensions and it didn't sit right compared to what the software said it would.
I drive past this place every day.
Nothing can replace actual hands on trial and error. I wanna play with boats in a big bathtub all day. And get paid for it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly though it looks like a fun fulfilling job.
I just wanna know how people end up with these jobs 😂 like where did they start looking ? Had to have known someone
I guarantee that someone has surfed inside that facility.😂
Does that mean they didn’t change that pool water for decades?
Can any Boat Crafting Engineer use this facility
Well that was not what I thought.
Ask any good swimmer, they will tell you the daily feel of the pool can vary slightly.
6:36 “The movement of these models in the water and their interactions with the waves *don’t look realistic at all.”*
*Ironic….*
Not ironic - they can't slow down time, but cameras can